I need to rant, because people are turning "this is OS is not for me" into "this OS is trash" again. I expected some pushback from advanced users who are comfortable managing their own OS and understandably don't want a more locked-down system. I didn't expect them to be quite this boneheaded though. 1. Nobody is saying that this OS is for everyone. Regular Windows 10 will probably stick around for at least another decade, exactly because some users need or want full control. 2. Even so, how can so many people not seem to at least understand the value of apps not being able to randomly access any part of your OS whenever they feel like it? Or the value of a permission management system. Even desktop Linux has it, it's not some "stupid mobile feature". Why would anyone think being able to manage camera, microphone and location access on an app-by-app basis is a bad thing? Or why would you want any of your programs to edit the system registry and mess things up? 3. How can so many people not see that the majority of users DO NOT want to manage their own OS and security? They want to scroll through websites, video-call their family members, edit photos, send emails and watch Netflix, preferably with as much battery life and performance as possible. Managed systems like 10X are for them, the actual majority of users, not the 10% who have complex, custom workflows. 4. 10X might still easily turn out to be unsuccessful for of all the reasons I listed in the video. But the "nobody wants a managed OS" crowd needs to stop. This argument is simply wrong and it is keeping Microsoft from trying to push through important security, privacy and performance improvements to people who would actually need it the most.
This model has already 'failed' though. People gave iPads to their grandmas and children. The device sold like hotcakes but nobody used them out side of those two demographics. The problem is that these demos are not very profitable. Apple has been actively trying to reverse this damage in the past 5 years with iPad Pro, with horrendous results. Apple is
Nobody wants a managed OS? How the hell are iphones selling then? I want control on my OS so I use Android and root it too but most people are comfortable with iOS where everything is locked down if it gets their job done.
1) Advanced users don't want to be told "you'll be fine for a few more years, but not for long. You have maybe a decade, then you are f***d" 2) Because it gives all the control to the OS and thus the company that owns the OS. They don't want to give Apple or Microsoft that much power. Securing your cam and mic can be done without having a despotic OS, hence your linux example 3) They do see it, they just don't like it. Advanced users don't want to be abandoned on the side just because aunt Betty is tech-illiterate and there are more aunt Bettys than advanced users 4) Advanced users are overreacting like this because they want to smother the idea in the crib. If it takes hold there's no going back, like it happened in the mobile world.
@Nicola Sabbadini How is a VM and a container the same? This is no prove that it will suck performance wise. If you need a good example of a container that runs isolated performant software without having a VM, take a look at Docker.
Too advanced for casual users and too simplified for power users. This is why Microsoft keeps making the same mistake. Early power adopters won't jump in this and early influencers and tech reviewers won't take the time to struggle with the paradigms
Gourav Singh he was wrong about huawei ban thought. He called it just a stupid Trump politic game that hurts industry, meanwhile so many proofs of them actually being guilty of spying has emerged.
@@tophan5146 you literally just show us how stupid that ban was, since the whole thing was never proven by anyone. Also, you worry about spying? What is the difference from the US doing it and China? Either you go complete Linux and get under the radar or stop talking about privacy. the entire fear you have for China is manufactured by the media. US has been spying every fucking one, even their own allies government, you think you are safe?
@@tophan5146 What would the chinese want to do with photos of your dog or even your peepee? Government already spies on you. Facebook, social media, apps and services you use on the web or your phone do. Unless you're a public figure or paranoid you've got nothing to worry about.
me too, I don't like the fold, I don't want stupid fragile device just to avoid a small black bar in the middle, double screen would be more robust, easy to use and it will solve both the 2 in 1 laptop and surface like detachable "keyboard "issues
@@europeansovietunion7372I think it's not that it doesn't work as well in one screen, but the fact that the screen has to be plastic to be a foldable, while with two screen you get glass, until they manage to make them in a more durable material I think dual is a better option.
Congratulations, you're the first person I've seen outside of Microsoft or Windows Central who understands what 10X is and means! Naturally I prefer to just not use Windows and stick to having my Androids and Linux Just Work™️ (there's a lot going on under the hood here too!), but Microsoft is being more clever than it's ever been and than its competition, and it shows. Glad to share the love for operating systems!
@@Proda44 Oh yeah, hi. Uh, I guess the business still is way more aggressive than any other large corporation I can think of and is risking in the right places for profit, and on that regard they've still got a really strong hold in the #cloud, AI and all this "metaverse" stuff. But for the more consumery stuff they've let it all fall flat so far. 10X is dead, 11 came to its rescue and right away went out of its boundaries with stuff like forceful MS login, more broken updates or the Edge pay drama, Project Reunion and WinUI 3 have been a mess, adoption of .NET Core is fractured, Chrome OS keeps eating up marketshare and Linux is **actually gaining mindshare** with small steps like the imminent launch of the Steam Deck. It'll be interesting to see how Activision's purchase will play out, but Microsoft is simultaneously in its weakest position in a while and still in a very promising one. I'm not prone to thinking it'll be for the best after all previous fiascos, though.
Take off the Microsoft fan goggles if you have them. Dual screens will never catch on at the dawn of foldable screens. If your only argument against folding displays is price and durability then I've got news for you, that will inevitably get better. All this R&D on dual displays is pointless. Microsoft should dive into making Windows smaller not building up Android.
How!? A foldable does the exact same thing but without a big bezel between the screens.. A foldable you can use as one big screen or 2 or more smaller screens. Dual screens will just be a dual screen no matter what.
@@Wandtket I highly doubt that foldables will catch on. With a proper dual screen setup and a good launch it can be the thing that people are buying into. the biggest problem with foldables now are that they have a bad rep of being undarable and the fucking bend. In a world without dual screens this is no problem. But now imagine people buying into dual screens. The progression of foldables will be not as interesting because people now have dual screens. Now the foldable is truly ready with proper materials. Who cares people already have their two screes infront of them. Depending how long R&D takes people simply see their dual screen device as superior because yeah that's how things are and difficult to push to a new device. Products don't win because they are better, but mostly because they are there at the right time. That's why micorsoft is pushing their foldables. They work now and are durable. If the foldable technology is there, their new OS has no real drawback to adjust to foldables. And if it takes longer. Microsoft has a headstart in technology and manufactoring. It is a great move
One of the greatest strengths of Windows is its backwards compatibility. In the extreme case, you can run a .com and some .exe files from the 1980s. Yes things evolve and should but some things get orphaned and shouldn’t die simply because of progress. Having a emulator as Windows evolves will keep the legacy one off apps alive. If we can have Amiga or TRS-80 emulators, we can have legacy Windows emulators. The challenge is that legacy Windows has a lot of esoteric baggage. Things like .NET and DCOM objects need API layers which have huge libraries. This is why Windows emulators on Linux are buggy in my experience as they can’t quite maintain true compatibility.
Really? Backward compatibility? I remember, in my teenage years each time I installed a new version of windows I had to make a dual boot for a while, cos games and much other software that ran on 98 wouldn't run on XP, then they wouldn't run on 7. Backward compatibility really came with 10, which I discarded after a few years for Linux.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 I don't think his point was that Windows has always been backwards compatible. He's just saying that it's a strength of curreny Windows, and I agree. I no longer need to worry about updates, because I know that Microsoft really values backwards compatibility.
My comment wasn't absolute. Nowhere did I claim everything ran between versions. The fact that some DOS software STILL WORKS 30+ years later is amazing. Windows has a huge spectrum of software ranging from games to business apps to one off utilities. It's clearly not going to work for everything but considering the diversity, it is amazing.
This device actually looks really cool, even if it is running a "stripped" version of Windows. I think this would be really really useful as say a all in one notebook (paper kind)/laptop for University students. Especially for those that use office apps
I can only imagine having a video or some PDF with questions/books on one screen while using a pen for answers and annotations on the other screen. Could be really good productivity-wise .
@@xbyte00 I was thinking more along the lines of the device in a book orientation. Use one side for say OneNote for handwritten notes, and use the other side for productivity. Say the other screen has a lecture PowerPoint on it and maybe a web browser either underneath or minimized. You can draw quick sketchs, drag 'copied and pasted' things into your notes, Google quick definitions or synonymous. I think it has a lot of potential Also Netflix AND note taking 🤞
I like this strategy. Great explanation, I really enjoyed it. I hope this works and I'm impressed they continue trying to move this way, with little refinements each time it fails. 3rd time's the charm?
Because Windows is held together by chewing gum. The developers have to go around trying not to breathe on it wrong. They can’t actually make it better. The only hope is to start over
@Deon Denis Uh... Linux distros have NOT done it, or at least not to the extent that Windows would have to. The Linux kernel hasn't been completely rewritten since... Ever. It's been modified a fuckton, don't get me wrong. Otherwise no. Having said that, Windows NT was the complete rewrite. And then they rewrote it again for Vista.
There’s a lot of legacy stuff. Think about the literal thousands of screens they’d have to accommodate and possibly redesign for. 10X exists for partly this reason.
i really hope they dont bring this "management" to regular windows. i want my computer to be as unmanaged as possible because i own the computer and i know what im doing.
@The Absolute Madman You(A contestant on Jeopardy): "I'll take Microsoft for $500." Host: "What is the only reason to run Windows in 2020?" You: "Is it Gaming?" Host: "That is correct!"
That isn't going to happen anytime soon. Just look at all the important operating systems out there. The windows kernel goes back to 1993, Linux was first developed in 1991 but incorporates a lot of ideas from Unix dating back to the 1960s. All of Apples operating systems are based on Darwin which again is based on a BSD from the 70s. Similar things are true about Solaris. Fuchsia might be the only general purpose operating system that has been developed mostly from the ground up in a very long time. It is easy to see why. If the newly developed operating system is similar to the ones in existence, updating them is much easier and less painful for developers. If it is very different you use decades worth of developer experience and written software.
It's, IMO, a mix of business problems and technical problems. Sometimes Microsoft introduces new ways of interacting with the OS, like UWP, RT, etc, and the hope of these projects was to replace some of the "cruft" that's built up over the years. The problem is, in a corporate setting it's pretty easy to get long-term funding to do something the first time (you're making something that didn't exist before), it's very hard to get funding to replace something that already works (when you could be working on shiny new features that the marketing team can put in commercials). Even if you did get the funding to do this (like UWP, or RT), your project is limited by your adoption, realistically only brand new projects will attempt to use the newest, shiniest technology, and every other third party developer will not go out of their way to spend (potentially millions) throwing everything they already wrote away and starting over just to make Windows a better OS (and for no benefit to the developer themselves). If you were to throw out everything and start over completely (as in, delete everything in the OS and start from scratch), there's still other problems. There's an expectation of backwards compatibility in Windows (search for Raymond Chen if you want to read more about that); a total rewrite that attempted to be backwards compatible would be nerfed dramatically, because some APIs, by their very existence, introduce design limitations that keep you stuck in the past. If you just ignore backwards compatibility completely, again the success depends entirely on adoption, Windows Phone tried something like this and failed, because it didn't achieve marketshare. Hope that helps explain it a little, it would be nice if I didn't have to deal with the mess that is winapi and some of the other (rather less than optimal) design decisions in Windows, but personally I don't expect it to change anytime soon.
I'm a time traveler from 1999. You're telling me I traveled 21 years in the future and we're just barely getting the next line of Windows computers after 9X?
@@selj0myeri To be fair, the Win8 GUI was terribly designed and completely impractical unless you were using a touch screen device, which were very rare on the platforms it was designed to run on
@@Hapetiitti that's a matter of opinion. I still use it on win10, on any device. I like that win10 gives u the choice. The start screen is just a more organized way to make shortcuts on desktop. Never saw the big deal, it at least is pretty.
@@selj0myeri Yeah, you're right. I still prefer that type of layout on my touch devices, and a more traditional crunchy one on my pc. Aesthetics are definitely something to consider, but I'd rather have a nice background and dozens of little icons arranged where I can easily pick between them with my mouse.
@@selj0myeri The last thing I wanted is my PC to look and act like a smartphone back then. And it's still how I feel today. I still bristle at calling programs on my computer "apps". This new idea of bringing in change slowly seem okay, though. If it can be done well.
I guess a traditional app installer can misbehave, changing files it shouldn't, put files where it shouldn't and leave files where it shouldn't when the app is uninstalled.
@@ScientistDog google distributing their browser as bundleware is the dumbest thing they could've done honestly. it would seriously damage their reputation, plus they don't even need to turn to these kinds of practices because of how huge they are. the actual reason why chrome is the most popular browser is because chrome enforces it pretty much on their every page, and some of their services straight up don't work in other browsers, so if you consider how many people are dependent on google, the answer becomes pretty clear
My wonder is if they could start this project by plugging this into the Microsoft Store and see how it unveils. I also thing, similarly, they could offer a better instalation wizard to make this be more attractive to app(dot)exe installers and lull the Win32 developers into the system, instead of forcing it. Also, it'd be nice if it wasn't as hard for many of these things to be modded, specially for game modding, while offering a semi-open way to allow the games to open or close their games to be moddable on the resource files or open or close part of the code to be editable (thinking of games which could use registry and localization files, e.g., Europa Universalis IV).
Windows needs : 1) an option *uninstall* when u right click some program 2) windows explorer should also categorize pastes by it's size and show it 3) automatically delete register files after uninstall of programs
A smart idea would be, sell the new site screen device at a loss. Let's say $150 each. Get it in everyone's hands and therefore set a new standard. Then following devices can be sold for more. Adaption would be high and app store would see actual use because of a high population of users.
First off, I just wanna say that I love you're vids, I find them very informative, and good in general ! I have a proposal or a question ? What ever happened to the NEC mobile company that made those first 3G phones/PDA that were so popular 2003-2005, and was the first handset's that took advantage, and was built from the ground up to utilize 3G at the time with vid-calling and so fourth. First came NEC, then Motorola, LG, and Sony Ericsson. However what is strange is that the NEC phones basically dissapair over night as soon as the other handsets started to take over. What have been cool if you can do a vid on that ?
UWP ist just fancy DRM. You do not control the Software anymore, Microsoft does. Desktopusers do not want their PC to be managed by Micosoft. If anything they want to manage their computer themselves.
@@SoulRanger21 Again Desktopusers, not mobile users. Also a fast and stable OS and not having to waste time managing the OS are not mutually exclusive. If an OS has secure and fast defaults there is no need to manage it but the option to do so. Containerization definetly has its place but pushing UWP for any- and everything is surely not the way to go. Proper rights management is usually the better way.
Honestly I'm not a fan of the 10X style, I'd rather see Metro style again... But nevertheless the idea looks promising. Surface Duo looks like a good project and I'm keeping an eye on it.
The true PC ended with the passing of the Apple ][e and its contemporaries. Everything since has been, not a true 'personal computer', but increasingly less personal systems, both in hardware and software.
Now that Panos Panay have more control over both hardware and software in these new devices I think will probably turn out great. Personally I would like to see W10X on the Surface Go 2 even if that's not a dual-screen device.
All these years they were telling us that everything will be unified and then Windows 10 S, X, who knows what else :/ How big user base they would have now at start if only they would maintain W10 Mobile. Now transition would be smooth.
@Deon Denis I've been using windows since 95 came out, but i just can't use windows daily anymore. The most annoying features are the insanely inconsistent settings in the old/new control panel and the search in the start menu that opens bing if you spell something wrong. Ah also the fact that windows randomly suicide during update
Morten Holsmo there are a few apps which I still have to use with Windows, but only because I am forced to by their developers. TBH, I just can’t stand how much I have to babysit Windows so that it will keep working. If I need something complicated where I need reliability and low level access to components, I use Linux or Android . If I want something simple that just needs to work, I use MacOS or iOS. As virtualization and containers like Wine improve, Im finding I just don’t see any benefits from using Windows to do really anything anymore. I find that most of my legacy applications run better under Wine or virtualization than on modern Windows. One of my biggest annoyances in administrating all OS’s is like you said, there is no nice or consistent way to affect changes to settings under Windows. Is it in settings? Control panel? Some other submenu? Many times, I find there is no UI way to monitor or affect the needed changes and I have to take a trip to the registry to make new keys or hunt for some obscure power shell or other command. Under Linux or Mac these same things are much better documented and accessible. At the end of the day it’s about what my time is worth and how long I want to try to make Windows do things that have been standard or within easy reach on literally any other OS for years.
How original... seems like they are once again trying to play catch-up to things google and Apple have already implemented. Except... they aren’t sure if they can really make it work. The device looks hideous, especially with the hinge right in the way of the content. It isn’t really ‘dual screen’ so much as a single screen broken up with a crappy hinge. I’m not impressed with edge, it’s basically Microsoft throwing cheap paint on top of standard Chromium and adding some half hearted features. You’ll always get better mileage just using chrome as google packages it or just chromium. Much more reliable and crashes less. The one redeeming quality Windows had in the past, even if there were major stability issues was some sort of ‘personality’ about the system. Aesthetics or visuals that made working with the OS seem alive. Since 8, 10 and it seems going forward, it isn’t just the flat UI, there is just no soul in it anymore. It’s a very cold, tedious OS to work with. Add to that that there is no planning or thought behind the way any of the menus or interfaces work anymore. I used to really like Windows, then I tolerated it, now I just hate it. They seem incapable of coming up with anything new that is good. Their next best step is to ripoff and take cues from Google and Apple. This looks very Android-eske in its aesthetic and it’s painfully transparent. I have no interest in an underpowered, overpriced as this will no doubt be ‘laptop’ I’d be better off buying a real computer or just a tablet. It’s too ‘middle road’ I doubt there is a real audience for it, besides people who just have cash sitting around with nothing better to buy.
One of my biggest problems with modern OS's is the number of abstraction layers between the user and the system itself, as well as the number of restrictions and management features, preventing people from customizing their user experience sufficiently. I like to have access to my equipment not just at a gui level with constant an incessant permission requests, but at a hardware and software level as well (I'd rather manage the registry directly to control resources and software options). For this, I actually use Windows 7 on most of my PC's, I use 10 on a couple, but mostly on the lesser used ones.
Freezing apps in the background has to be one of the hardest things to do. Browsers.. on standard Windows you can come back days later and the web page will still be there; iOS will reload the page and possibly (probably?) lose your place.
Great video as always. When I was in high school getting my feet wet in computer programming, I was tinkering with the OS a lot. But then again in the 90’s you had to tinker with the OS just to get it to work. I ended up studying art and design. To be honest I don’t care about the OS anymore. As long as I can install Photo Ninja, Adobe, Affinity and a few other pieces of software I’m happy. It might as well be mac OS, Linux or Windows. I haven’t looked under the hood of an OS in almost 20 years.
Microsoft has changed so much in these years but still, I cannot understand why they are not proposing new tools for development. I mean C# .net Visual Basic, etc. are still high in demand but with legacy and corporate. Small software houses are using electron since finding a Node.js and Html front end engineer is easier and they don't need to switch codebase for mac and Linux. Where is UWP positioned in this landscape? Every year we say it is a dying platform but there is no alternative nowadays. And I don't think new developers are gonna invest in a new language just for that. Apps are crucial for the future of windows and find a development tool that meets the expectation of new developers is fundamental for future adoption. Microsoft is pushing the strategy of trying to include as many technologies in Windows to make it their hub for future services and products. But I'm sorry, I don't see their vision for the future of app development here. Apple, on the other hand, has started earlier merging the codebase and OS structure with iOS. Catalina's new partitioning system is a clear example. Then, they start to gradually introduce Bridge OS and ARM computing giving it more and more tasks. Now they have showcased their new development tool for unifying their ecosystem. Developing for Mac, iPhone, and iPad at the same time, using the same libraries (think about Metal) in one purchase will be easier and easier. The path is clear on this end. Microsoft introduced Surface lineup for pushing lazy OEMs, maybe now it's time to do something like that for developers.
I don't understand why phone manufacturers aren't making dual screen devices with sharp curved regular displays (like those of Samsung S series, Huawei mate series) to minimize the hinge bezel instead of those gimmicky plastic foldables. 🤷
A dual-screen is a business need. I work better faster and stronger with two screens. this is a move for Microsoft to strengthen its position in all business industries. they don't care about consumers they want to work with your business and be part of it.
Wait, wait, wait - did you seriously just call Windows to be on the end of the "unmanaged" spectrum??? You've never used OS's like Linux or BSD, did you? ;)
The dual screen concept without the gimicky bendy screen is a win. It looks more like a good midway point between the big screen of a tablet and the portability of a smartphone.
This may sound dumb, but the first thing that really got my attention was the seamless finger drag between screens. I mean, the system has to now that the touch input coming from two different screens must be part of the same user motion. It feels like those sci-fi scenes where someone drags something from one screen and throws it to some other screen far away.
Great video. What's your take on them reversing their rollout. First PCs then dual screens. So the "give it a chance due to be firm factor" isn't there now. I personally like the OS, it has way more consistency.
lol...they will never realize. The just cant accept that they are no longer leader in technology as they used to be. I change to OSX two years back and never regretted that decision.It has been two years and OSX so far hasnt crashed on me, neither my mac automatically restarted!
@@dilawar_uchiha if by power you mean power consumption, yes Microsoft consumes lots of power by force auto updates, restarting after crashing, blue screen of death, poor hardware software optimization etc.
Power means my control over operating system , if they brought windows any closer to mac os I will never buy a windows device , simple but parts and install Linux after assembly
Microsoft released promos for this like ten years ago when the iPad was new and it never came out. As long as we can root it and install Linux there’s a chance it won’t suck too badly
Aannd it´s dead. Sort off. But i really appreciate the attempt what microsoft did. Sometimes windows 10 feels wierd and not user friendly and i really hope that some stuff from 10x come to the regular system. It´s a litte sad that we don´t even saw how it operate. But maybe in the future microsoft will do it in the right way.
The bigger version of this with the little foldable keyboard actually looks awesome to me. Ive been using my iPad Pro almost constantly with he keyboard case from apple, but if this was more like a desktop computer for certain tasks this would make it a solid upgrade for me. Hopefully they can make this as good as it looks like it can be.
Since classic apps always runs in a sort of sandbox or virtual box in 10x does that mean i can't use apps like o&o shutup10 for privacy or old games that are no longer for sale? Hopefully microsoft gives an option to run apps without the container or don't force people to switch to windows 10x in the future
You actually can install third party app stores on iOS without jailbreaking it, and install off safari, so saying you can only install apps from one source isn't accurate
When Microsoft restarts Windows 10 without my permission I say a prayer for all Microsoft employees to have a stake driven through their souls in the afterlife. Due to poor Microsoft architecture, I pray often.
Great presentation and very fluid delivery. Nice video to watch. Sadly the recent update debacles from Redmond do little to persuade me that a more managed approach will be successful. If it remains uniquely on these new mobile devices it has an understandable place in the ecosystem, but my view is that bringing this approach to PC’s will make them even more unsteady than they are now.
"There shouldn't be a need for antivirus software" Lmao Wait, they say Macs never get viruses... could this be kinda legit? Edit: Yes, alright alright, I'm wrong. I didn't wanna seem too harsh in the comment, and the argument that Macs don't get viruses seems to be an often repeated one.
Macs are as vulnerable as Windows... Honestly if you manage it right, any system can be "virus-free". Linux much less so. The code is managed by exponentially more people than Windows and Mac combined, which means any kind of security holes are patched hours after finding it and the solution pushed to systems weeks (or whenever you want) after knowledge of it. Unless you pluck some weirdish app from internet or a command to paste in Terminal/Powershell in any one of these, you're pretty much good to go.
Im doubtful myself. Haven't seen a widows update yet that hasn't created some type of hole in the system. I've stopped at 7 and will probably shift to linux before i let windows 10 even close to my main unit.
Yeah, they really need to work on that. But Microsoft was surprisingly not pushing the store at all relating to 10x. They only mentioned it once and very briefly during the whole presentation, so I don't think it's a big focus area
One of my favorite channels on TH-cam. I think Windows 10X it's very interesting and brings some new possibilities and horizons for the users. The details about containerized apps, security and updates are just "the perfect world" for Microsoft. I hope for their success!
I heard something about the Duo only having 4G due to the selection of CPU. This would suggest that it will be obsolete when released, and will be followed by a delay while a 5G version is put into production, leading to confusion among buyers, given the cost of the device, as to whether to buy immediately or wait. I hope this issue is resolved soon.
This makes me a little nervous. Windows 8 tried to sit between a desktop and a tablet os, and frustrated users. Will 10x do the same sitting somewhere between an unmanaged system and a managed system? It feels like it’s trying to be all things for all people again, which imho is a terrible approach. Create a platform that is appropriate for the device it targets - this offers the best user experience
Here me out... Rollable display that has adaptible UI originating from Windowx. Imagine a decice that is a complete work station thats portable and versatile. One moment its a phone or table, then expand it to a laptop size for more productive work time, then bring it home and plug it in to a performance inhancer of some type. At the work station it could either function has a display, keyboard, or even a flatop pc of sorts (perfect for standing)
Microsoft really needs to perfect it's touch control in Windows. Surface pro, even, today still feels cluncky to use with touch only. It's useable, but misclicks make it feel really frustrating to use with touch.
Isn't this windows 10x OS just permanent split screen? I mean what's the difference between having this tablet that folds and having an unfold-able tablet that is in perma screen split? Well the single unit will break less often because there's no hinges. But I'm open to it. Maybe it will have functionalities that cannot be achieved by a single screen tablet. Also having this thing fold means if you want to watch a movie then you have this huge gap in the middle
As long as I can get my essential apps, I don't care about the OS. Banking, Finances, Deliveries, Transportations. And I really want to see 3rd OS that's completely different from existings and the only company that I know can do this is Microsoft. They have the technologies, patents, resources to make it happen.
I need to rant, because people are turning "this is OS is not for me" into "this OS is trash" again. I expected some pushback from advanced users who are comfortable managing their own OS and understandably don't want a more locked-down system. I didn't expect them to be quite this boneheaded though.
1. Nobody is saying that this OS is for everyone. Regular Windows 10 will probably stick around for at least another decade, exactly because some users need or want full control.
2. Even so, how can so many people not seem to at least understand the value of apps not being able to randomly access any part of your OS whenever they feel like it? Or the value of a permission management system. Even desktop Linux has it, it's not some "stupid mobile feature". Why would anyone think being able to manage camera, microphone and location access on an app-by-app basis is a bad thing? Or why would you want any of your programs to edit the system registry and mess things up?
3. How can so many people not see that the majority of users DO NOT want to manage their own OS and security? They want to scroll through websites, video-call their family members, edit photos, send emails and watch Netflix, preferably with as much battery life and performance as possible. Managed systems like 10X are for them, the actual majority of users, not the 10% who have complex, custom workflows.
4. 10X might still easily turn out to be unsuccessful for of all the reasons I listed in the video. But the "nobody wants a managed OS" crowd needs to stop. This argument is simply wrong and it is keeping Microsoft from trying to push through important security, privacy and performance improvements to people who would actually need it the most.
This model has already 'failed' though. People gave iPads to their grandmas and children. The device sold like hotcakes but nobody used them out side of those two demographics. The problem is that these demos are not very profitable.
Apple has been actively trying to reverse this damage in the past 5 years with iPad Pro, with horrendous results.
Apple is
Nobody wants a managed OS? How the hell are iphones selling then? I want control on my OS so I use Android and root it too but most people are comfortable with iOS where everything is locked down if it gets their job done.
1) Advanced users don't want to be told "you'll be fine for a few more years, but not for long. You have maybe a decade, then you are f***d"
2) Because it gives all the control to the OS and thus the company that owns the OS. They don't want to give Apple or Microsoft that much power. Securing your cam and mic can be done without having a despotic OS, hence your linux example
3) They do see it, they just don't like it. Advanced users don't want to be abandoned on the side just because aunt Betty is tech-illiterate and there are more aunt Bettys than advanced users
4) Advanced users are overreacting like this because they want to smother the idea in the crib. If it takes hold there's no going back, like it happened in the mobile world.
@Nicola Sabbadini How is a VM and a container the same? This is no prove that it will suck performance wise. If you need a good example of a container that runs isolated performant software without having a VM, take a look at Docker.
Too advanced for casual users and too simplified for power users. This is why Microsoft keeps making the same mistake. Early power adopters won't jump in this and early influencers and tech reviewers won't take the time to struggle with the paradigms
7:18 "everything is more complicated than it seems on the surface"
I see what you did there
I can't see what you saw
@@bluemoonyoshi you can do this blue. I believe in you. What's the brand name for Microsoft's hardware products ?
Get sucked in by marketing. Yes I see that also.
@@_Aarim "Surface"! (I wondered if anyone else noticed that play on words; kudos to you sir.
@@quinnrichards3054 sometimes my genius is... it's almost frightening
I am an admirer of this guy just because of sheer quality of content in his videos. One of the most original videos on youtube in current times.
Gourav Singh he was wrong about huawei ban thought. He called it just a stupid Trump politic game that hurts industry, meanwhile so many proofs of them actually being guilty of spying has emerged.
@@tophan5146 can you please link some sources to your claim?
@@tophan5146 you literally just show us how stupid that ban was, since the whole thing was never proven by anyone. Also, you worry about spying? What is the difference from the US doing it and China? Either you go complete Linux and get under the radar or stop talking about privacy. the entire fear you have for China is manufactured by the media. US has been spying every fucking one, even their own allies government, you think you are safe?
His content is amazing i just hate his voice, it's like he's trying to whisper and still be loud. I have to play at 2x or I can't watch
@@tophan5146 What would the chinese want to do with photos of your dog or even your peepee? Government already spies on you. Facebook, social media, apps and services you use on the web or your phone do. Unless you're a public figure or paranoid you've got nothing to worry about.
Windows looks actually like windows now
Except you can't have windows only full screen apps
To open the window just close back the window's screen
no, windows looks like chrome OS. eugh.
@@LuckyLion1378 I mean the hardware not the software
@@vinnyisntgud7221 Just like in the olden Windows 1.0 days.
I'm actually more interested in these double screen devices than the foldable ones. Hopefully the software will follow.
Why is that? If that's because of the tiling windows manager, it can work just as well on a single screen.
me too, I don't like the fold, I don't want stupid fragile device just to avoid a small black bar in the middle, double screen would be more robust, easy to use and it will solve both the 2 in 1 laptop and surface like detachable "keyboard "issues
@@europeansovietunion7372I think it's not that it doesn't work as well in one screen, but the fact that the screen has to be plastic to be a foldable, while with two screen you get glass, until they manage to make them in a more durable material I think dual is a better option.
@@vascoaraujo165 Right, it makes sense.
I agree, a DS-like device running GNU or Android would be awesome.
Congratulations, you're the first person I've seen outside of Microsoft or Windows Central who understands what 10X is and means! Naturally I prefer to just not use Windows and stick to having my Androids and Linux Just Work™️ (there's a lot going on under the hood here too!), but Microsoft is being more clever than it's ever been and than its competition, and it shows. Glad to share the love for operating systems!
Thanks for the thoughtful comment :)
@@TechAltar np, always happy to comment!
Really curious if you still feel that Microsoft is being more clever than ever today?
@@Proda44 Oh yeah, hi. Uh, I guess the business still is way more aggressive than any other large corporation I can think of and is risking in the right places for profit, and on that regard they've still got a really strong hold in the #cloud, AI and all this "metaverse" stuff. But for the more consumery stuff they've let it all fall flat so far. 10X is dead, 11 came to its rescue and right away went out of its boundaries with stuff like forceful MS login, more broken updates or the Edge pay drama, Project Reunion and WinUI 3 have been a mess, adoption of .NET Core is fractured, Chrome OS keeps eating up marketshare and Linux is **actually gaining mindshare** with small steps like the imminent launch of the Steam Deck.
It'll be interesting to see how Activision's purchase will play out, but Microsoft is simultaneously in its weakest position in a while and still in a very promising one. I'm not prone to thinking it'll be for the best after all previous fiascos, though.
Dual screen seems more practical than foldables.
yeah cause that bezel in the middle seems super practical, foldables are better in theory, hardware just needs to get there...
rage "in theory" lmao
Take off the Microsoft fan goggles if you have them. Dual screens will never catch on at the dawn of foldable screens. If your only argument against folding displays is price and durability then I've got news for you, that will inevitably get better. All this R&D on dual displays is pointless. Microsoft should dive into making Windows smaller not building up Android.
How!? A foldable does the exact same thing but without a big bezel between the screens.. A foldable you can use as one big screen or 2 or more smaller screens.
Dual screens will just be a dual screen no matter what.
@@Wandtket I highly doubt that foldables will catch on. With a proper dual screen setup and a good launch it can be the thing that people are buying into. the biggest problem with foldables now are that they have a bad rep of being undarable and the fucking bend. In a world without dual screens this is no problem. But now imagine people buying into dual screens. The progression of foldables will be not as interesting because people now have dual screens. Now the foldable is truly ready with proper materials. Who cares people already have their two screes infront of them. Depending how long R&D takes people simply see their dual screen device as superior because yeah that's how things are and difficult to push to a new device.
Products don't win because they are better, but mostly because they are there at the right time. That's why micorsoft is pushing their foldables. They work now and are durable. If the foldable technology is there, their new OS has no real drawback to adjust to foldables. And if it takes longer. Microsoft has a headstart in technology and manufactoring. It is a great move
One of the greatest strengths of Windows is its backwards compatibility. In the extreme case, you can run a .com and some .exe files from the 1980s. Yes things evolve and should but some things get orphaned and shouldn’t die simply because of progress. Having a emulator as Windows evolves will keep the legacy one off apps alive.
If we can have Amiga or TRS-80 emulators, we can have legacy Windows emulators. The challenge is that legacy Windows has a lot of esoteric baggage. Things like .NET and DCOM objects need API layers which have huge libraries. This is why Windows emulators on Linux are buggy in my experience as they can’t quite maintain true compatibility.
Really? Backward compatibility? I remember, in my teenage years each time I installed a new version of windows I had to make a dual boot for a while, cos games and much other software that ran on 98 wouldn't run on XP, then they wouldn't run on 7. Backward compatibility really came with 10, which I discarded after a few years for Linux.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 I don't think his point was that Windows has always been backwards compatible. He's just saying that it's a strength of curreny Windows, and I agree. I no longer need to worry about updates, because I know that Microsoft really values backwards compatibility.
@@aniksamiurrahman6365 i call this one a blatant lie or an exaggeration at best.
My comment wasn't absolute. Nowhere did I claim everything ran between versions.
The fact that some DOS software STILL WORKS 30+ years later is amazing.
Windows has a huge spectrum of software ranging from games to business apps to one off utilities.
It's clearly not going to work for everything but considering the diversity, it is amazing.
@@nevzataydin1 Blatant lie? Now I'm sure either Microsoft pays you or u r the type who can't install windows.
wow maybe they‘ll even clean out the old win95 code at some point...
They've actually cleaned it, there isn't even a control panel
@@imleri that is just a visual thing though. I mean all that DOS based livesupport they carried around for 25 year. Is the registry still accessible?
@@theharbingerofconflation The registry seems to be totally gone. It only exists in Win32 container.
it is cleaned and containerized and will only run on demand of .exes
@@nevzataydin1 wow, I mean there still must be some old code just to keep ancestory sys32 shit running, but that is HUGE
This is what foldables should be, not trying to fold a display and having to use a weak and garbage plastic screen
These are dual screen lol
Do you understand what innovation is?
They should be x86 computers with real productivity programs and 25 year backwards compatibility, not Android / iOS devices with shops full of crap.
.....this is pretty much how Galaxy Fold works. You can use two screens on each side if you wanted.
@@JAnx01 To be fair 10x will have x86 compatability........how good the compatibility she it comes out thought, who knows.
I kind of want them to eventually create a smartphone with full pc version of Windows 10. It cudent have been possible in 2011 but now it can be done
Cudent != couldn't
Avya it's been possible for many years now... No-one wants it. Windows software is not made to scale onto a mobile device.
This. Been waiting forever.
That spyware is the last thing I want on a phone
I liked that CUDENT..
This device actually looks really cool, even if it is running a "stripped" version of Windows. I think this would be really really useful as say a all in one notebook (paper kind)/laptop for University students. Especially for those that use office apps
I can only imagine having a video or some PDF with questions/books on one screen while using a pen for answers and annotations on the other screen. Could be really good productivity-wise .
@@xbyte00 I was thinking more along the lines of the device in a book orientation. Use one side for say OneNote for handwritten notes, and use the other side for productivity. Say the other screen has a lecture PowerPoint on it and maybe a web browser either underneath or minimized. You can draw quick sketchs, drag 'copied and pasted' things into your notes, Google quick definitions or synonymous. I think it has a lot of potential
Also Netflix AND note taking 🤞
I like this strategy. Great explanation, I really enjoyed it.
I hope this works and I'm impressed they continue trying to move this way, with little refinements each time it fails. 3rd time's the charm?
I don't understand why we don't have fluent Design in Windows 10 yet. Everything looks so messy and inconsistent.
Well he made a video about that 😉 th-cam.com/video/hn5QjtpjW_U/w-d-xo.html
Because Windows is held together by chewing gum. The developers have to go around trying not to breathe on it wrong. They can’t actually make it better. The only hope is to start over
@@seancolquhoun8399 @Rep 101 do elaborate ! maybe provide links to your sources?
@Deon Denis Uh... Linux distros have NOT done it, or at least not to the extent that Windows would have to. The Linux kernel hasn't been completely rewritten since... Ever. It's been modified a fuckton, don't get me wrong. Otherwise no.
Having said that, Windows NT was the complete rewrite. And then they rewrote it again for Vista.
There’s a lot of legacy stuff. Think about the literal thousands of screens they’d have to accommodate and possibly redesign for. 10X exists for partly this reason.
i really hope they dont bring this "management" to regular windows. i want my computer to be as unmanaged as possible because i own the computer and i know what im doing.
Who is here after Windows 11 lol
Holding 3 Windows devices where they gave up on software lot before the device became obsolete. I don't think I want Microsoft-anything anymore.
@The Absolute Madman You(A contestant on Jeopardy): "I'll take Microsoft for $500."
Host: "What is the only reason to run Windows in 2020?"
You: "Is it Gaming?"
Host: "That is correct!"
All I've been wanting is for Microsoft to recode / redesign Windows from scratch.
Well, that's not a lot to ask for, is it? ;D
That isn't going to happen anytime soon. Just look at all the important operating systems out there.
The windows kernel goes back to 1993, Linux was first developed in 1991 but incorporates a lot of ideas from Unix dating back to the 1960s. All of Apples operating systems are based on Darwin which again is based on a BSD from the 70s.
Similar things are true about Solaris.
Fuchsia might be the only general purpose operating system that has been developed mostly from the ground up in a very long time.
It is easy to see why. If the newly developed operating system is similar to the ones in existence, updating them is much easier and less painful for developers.
If it is very different you use decades worth of developer experience and written software.
It's, IMO, a mix of business problems and technical problems.
Sometimes Microsoft introduces new ways of interacting with the OS, like UWP, RT, etc, and the hope of these projects was to replace some of the "cruft" that's built up over the years. The problem is, in a corporate setting it's pretty easy to get long-term funding to do something the first time (you're making something that didn't exist before), it's very hard to get funding to replace something that already works (when you could be working on shiny new features that the marketing team can put in commercials).
Even if you did get the funding to do this (like UWP, or RT), your project is limited by your adoption, realistically only brand new projects will attempt to use the newest, shiniest technology, and every other third party developer will not go out of their way to spend (potentially millions) throwing everything they already wrote away and starting over just to make Windows a better OS (and for no benefit to the developer themselves).
If you were to throw out everything and start over completely (as in, delete everything in the OS and start from scratch), there's still other problems. There's an expectation of backwards compatibility in Windows (search for Raymond Chen if you want to read more about that); a total rewrite that attempted to be backwards compatible would be nerfed dramatically, because some APIs, by their very existence, introduce design limitations that keep you stuck in the past. If you just ignore backwards compatibility completely, again the success depends entirely on adoption, Windows Phone tried something like this and failed, because it didn't achieve marketshare.
Hope that helps explain it a little, it would be nice if I didn't have to deal with the mess that is winapi and some of the other (rather less than optimal) design decisions in Windows, but personally I don't expect it to change anytime soon.
Same
Ikr. Why can they make a Chrome OS type container for DOS and NT exe system files and apps?
I'm a time traveler from 1999. You're telling me I traveled 21 years in the future and we're just barely getting the next line of Windows computers after 9X?
That's because users keep saying they want the same old thing... if MS puts out a truly new OS, even if only the UI, ppl reject it. Win8 anyone?
@@selj0myeri To be fair, the Win8 GUI was terribly designed and completely impractical unless you were using a touch screen device, which were very rare on the platforms it was designed to run on
@@Hapetiitti that's a matter of opinion. I still use it on win10, on any device. I like that win10 gives u the choice.
The start screen is just a more organized way to make shortcuts on desktop. Never saw the big deal, it at least is pretty.
@@selj0myeri Yeah, you're right. I still prefer that type of layout on my touch devices, and a more traditional crunchy one on my pc. Aesthetics are definitely something to consider, but I'd rather have a nice background and dozens of little icons arranged where I can easily pick between them with my mouse.
@@selj0myeri The last thing I wanted is my PC to look and act like a smartphone back then. And it's still how I feel today. I still bristle at calling programs on my computer "apps".
This new idea of bringing in change slowly seem okay, though. If it can be done well.
7:17 "Everything is more complicated than it seems on the Surface" - not sure if this pun was intended but I had to chuckle. :D
I always get so excited when I see a new TechAltar vid on my feed :)
5:40 “none of this crap”. What’s wrong with a traditional app installer? Honest question.
I guess a traditional app installer can misbehave, changing files it shouldn't, put files where it shouldn't and leave files where it shouldn't when the app is uninstalled.
Also, they often ask you questions that may seem simple for most people, but not necessarily simple for technically challenged.
And let's not forget bundleware...
They had a lot of adware by default, that most people don't unselect, like Chrome (that's the main reason is the most "popular" browser)
@@ScientistDog google distributing their browser as bundleware is the dumbest thing they could've done honestly. it would seriously damage their reputation, plus they don't even need to turn to these kinds of practices because of how huge they are. the actual reason why chrome is the most popular browser is because chrome enforces it pretty much on their every page, and some of their services straight up don't work in other browsers, so if you consider how many people are dependent on google, the answer becomes pretty clear
My wonder is if they could start this project by plugging this into the Microsoft Store and see how it unveils.
I also thing, similarly, they could offer a better instalation wizard to make this be more attractive to app(dot)exe installers and lull the Win32 developers into the system, instead of forcing it. Also, it'd be nice if it wasn't as hard for many of these things to be modded, specially for game modding, while offering a semi-open way to allow the games to open or close their games to be moddable on the resource files or open or close part of the code to be editable (thinking of games which could use registry and localization files, e.g., Europa Universalis IV).
Windows needs :
1) an option *uninstall* when u right click some program
2) windows explorer should also categorize pastes by it's size and show it
3) automatically delete register files after uninstall of programs
on your way to 500k, mate. Great job
A smart idea would be, sell the new site screen device at a loss. Let's say $150 each. Get it in everyone's hands and therefore set a new standard. Then following devices can be sold for more.
Adaption would be high and app store would see actual use because of a high population of users.
Windows 10 is giving me freedom to download and run any/everything on it
First off, I just wanna say that I love you're vids, I find them very informative, and good in general ! I have a proposal or a question ? What ever happened to the NEC mobile company that made those first 3G phones/PDA that were so popular 2003-2005, and was the first handset's that took advantage, and was built from the ground up to utilize 3G at the time with vid-calling and so fourth. First came NEC, then Motorola, LG, and Sony Ericsson. However what is strange is that the NEC phones basically dissapair over night as soon as the other handsets started to take over. What have been cool if you can do a vid on that ?
UWP ist just fancy DRM. You do not control the Software anymore, Microsoft does.
Desktopusers do not want their PC to be managed by Micosoft. If anything they want to manage their computer themselves.
@@SoulRanger21 Again Desktopusers, not mobile users. Also a fast and stable OS and not having to waste time managing the OS are not mutually exclusive. If an OS has secure and fast defaults there is no need to manage it but the option to do so. Containerization definetly has its place but pushing UWP for any- and everything is surely not the way to go. Proper rights management is usually the better way.
I came here to laugh at microsoft and the dual screen devices but this is actually impressive. Can't wait for it to popularize!
Honestly I'm not a fan of the 10X style, I'd rather see Metro style again... But nevertheless the idea looks promising. Surface Duo looks like a good project and I'm keeping an eye on it.
The end of the "personal" computer.
The true PC ended with the passing of the Apple ][e and its contemporaries. Everything since has been, not a true 'personal computer', but increasingly less personal systems, both in hardware and software.
it ended long time ago
"Installing is handled by the system, not some third party wizard."
sudo dnf install the_future
Not to mention containers. snap/flatpak install the_future
Just found your channel and I’m really digging it. Keep up the good work my friend!!
Please consider a video on the Pinephone with Linux.
Linux is for nerds
@@johnmarston5056 android is linux based lol
@@johnmarston5056 Linux is for people that don't like spyware on their device
@@johnmarston5056 Some distributions of Linux are more user friendly than Windows.
@@forget6917 That was a good joke.
Now that Panos Panay have more control over both hardware and software in these new devices I think will probably turn out great. Personally I would like to see W10X on the Surface Go 2 even if that's not a dual-screen device.
Windows 10X is confirmed that it'll be available for single screen devices. Chin up!
@@ayanesatomi4250 Yeah that's awesome! 😃👍
Me: yeah it is but it's canceled...
Aaaaand they cancelled it
If they make decent mobile OS, I'll definitely try one.
@Богдан Кондратов chicken and egg problem
@Богдан Кондратов Windows phone OS was very complicated. Even their own native apps performed poorly.
All these years they were telling us that everything will be unified and then Windows 10 S, X, who knows what else :/ How big user base they would have now at start if only they would maintain W10 Mobile. Now transition would be smooth.
As much as I want to see Microsoft succeed, they will inevitably find a way to mess this up... again.
The cash cow is Azure. Everything else is extra credit. They cant fuck up
@Deon Denis I've been using windows since 95 came out, but i just can't use windows daily anymore. The most annoying features are the insanely inconsistent settings in the old/new control panel and the search in the start menu that opens bing if you spell something wrong. Ah also the fact that windows randomly suicide during update
Morten Holsmo there are a few apps which I still have to use with Windows, but only because I am forced to by their developers. TBH, I just can’t stand how much I have to babysit Windows so that it will keep working. If I need something complicated where I need reliability and low level access to components, I use Linux or Android . If I want something simple that just needs to work, I use MacOS or iOS. As virtualization and containers like Wine improve, Im finding I just don’t see any benefits from using Windows to do really anything anymore. I find that most of my legacy applications run better under Wine or virtualization than on modern Windows. One of my biggest annoyances in administrating all OS’s is like you said, there is no nice or consistent way to affect changes to settings under Windows. Is it in settings? Control panel? Some other submenu? Many times, I find there is no UI way to monitor or affect the needed changes and I have to take a trip to the registry to make new keys or hunt for some obscure power shell or other command. Under Linux or Mac these same things are much better documented and accessible. At the end of the day it’s about what my time is worth and how long I want to try to make Windows do things that have been standard or within easy reach on literally any other OS for years.
How original... seems like they are once again trying to play catch-up to things google and Apple have already implemented. Except... they aren’t sure if they can really make it work. The device looks hideous, especially with the hinge right in the way of the content. It isn’t really ‘dual screen’ so much as a single screen broken up with a crappy hinge. I’m not impressed with edge, it’s basically Microsoft throwing cheap paint on top of standard Chromium and adding some half hearted features. You’ll always get better mileage just using chrome as google packages it or just chromium. Much more reliable and crashes less. The one redeeming quality Windows had in the past, even if there were major stability issues was some sort of ‘personality’ about the system. Aesthetics or visuals that made working with the OS seem alive. Since 8, 10 and it seems going forward, it isn’t just the flat UI, there is just no soul in it anymore. It’s a very cold, tedious OS to work with. Add to that that there is no planning or thought behind the way any of the menus or interfaces work anymore. I used to really like Windows, then I tolerated it, now I just hate it. They seem incapable of coming up with anything new that is good. Their next best step is to ripoff and take cues from Google and Apple. This looks very Android-eske in its aesthetic and it’s painfully transparent. I have no interest in an underpowered, overpriced as this will no doubt be ‘laptop’ I’d be better off buying a real computer or just a tablet. It’s too ‘middle road’ I doubt there is a real audience for it, besides people who just have cash sitting around with nothing better to buy.
Going off the UI, they've already messed it up.
One of my biggest problems with modern OS's is the number of abstraction layers between the user and the system itself, as well as the number of restrictions and management features, preventing people from customizing their user experience sufficiently. I like to have access to my equipment not just at a gui level with constant an incessant permission requests, but at a hardware and software level as well (I'd rather manage the registry directly to control resources and software options). For this, I actually use Windows 7 on most of my PC's, I use 10 on a couple, but mostly on the lesser used ones.
this video didn't age well
This channel gets better and better each video, its awesome and seeing it grow is amazing.
Talk about the advancement in their spyware. That's going to be the coolest feature in all of this.
Now windows can even track you when you dont use it. Others call it spying, Microsoft call it innovation.
AND.... I would be forced to upgrade every single program I own. At that point, I have no reason to not just switch to Linux.
I’ve been waiting for your thoughts on this
Freezing apps in the background has to be one of the hardest things to do. Browsers.. on standard Windows you can come back days later and the web page will still be there; iOS will reload the page and possibly (probably?) lose your place.
So Windows 10X is essentially trying to become MacOS
*Laughs in Linux Master Race.*
Thats a very good video! Subscribed.
Glad you like it :)
This is great and all, but I really want my windows phone back !
Still use my lumia 1320 for a smart home control panel and a lumia 800 as a alarm clock.... Awesome devices
Yes!
I am rooting for Microsoft's success with this and hopefully see a revived Lumia 950 series.
If they adapt some of the new UI on W10X to W10 desktop that will be cool.
What a great presentation of a complicated topic! Very well done, and very informative as well...
This OS sounds interesting, I'd like to experiment and see how the apps I make work on these
Great video as always. When I was in high school getting my feet wet in computer programming, I was tinkering with the OS a lot. But then again in the 90’s you had to tinker with the OS just to get it to work. I ended up studying art and design. To be honest I don’t care about the OS anymore. As long as I can install Photo Ninja, Adobe, Affinity and a few other pieces of software I’m happy. It might as well be mac OS, Linux or Windows. I haven’t looked under the hood of an OS in almost 20 years.
Microsoft has changed so much in these years but still, I cannot understand why they are not proposing new tools for development. I mean C# .net Visual Basic, etc. are still high in demand but with legacy and corporate. Small software houses are using electron since finding a Node.js and Html front end engineer is easier and they don't need to switch codebase for mac and Linux. Where is UWP positioned in this landscape? Every year we say it is a dying platform but there is no alternative nowadays. And I don't think new developers are gonna invest in a new language just for that. Apps are crucial for the future of windows and find a development tool that meets the expectation of new developers is fundamental for future adoption. Microsoft is pushing the strategy of trying to include as many technologies in Windows to make it their hub for future services and products. But I'm sorry, I don't see their vision for the future of app development here.
Apple, on the other hand, has started earlier merging the codebase and OS structure with iOS. Catalina's new partitioning system is a clear example. Then, they start to gradually introduce Bridge OS and ARM computing giving it more and more tasks. Now they have showcased their new development tool for unifying their ecosystem. Developing for Mac, iPhone, and iPad at the same time, using the same libraries (think about Metal) in one purchase will be easier and easier. The path is clear on this end.
Microsoft introduced Surface lineup for pushing lazy OEMs, maybe now it's time to do something like that for developers.
I don't understand why phone manufacturers aren't making dual screen devices with sharp curved regular displays (like those of Samsung S series, Huawei mate series) to minimize the hinge bezel instead of those gimmicky plastic foldables. 🤷
damn I was waiting for Friday checkout but I found something more interesting in my feed.
A dual-screen is a business need. I work better faster and stronger with two screens. this is a move for Microsoft to strengthen its position in all business industries. they don't care about consumers they want to work with your business and be part of it.
Wait, wait, wait - did you seriously just call Windows to be on the end of the "unmanaged" spectrum??? You've never used OS's like Linux or BSD, did you? ;)
I mean compared to windows 10s and 10x its unmanaged but to Linux NOOOO
The dual screen concept without the gimicky bendy screen is a win. It looks more like a good midway point between the big screen of a tablet and the portability of a smartphone.
We're at the 'embrace' stage right now..
Hopefully it'll extinguish itself, which would pave way for the year of the penguin.
This may sound dumb, but the first thing that really got my attention was the seamless finger drag between screens.
I mean, the system has to now that the touch input coming from two different screens must be part of the same user motion. It feels like those sci-fi scenes where someone drags something from one screen and throws it to some other screen far away.
I don't think that Windows 10X on normal PCs is a good idea for professionals. UWP and isolated Win32 apps are too limited.
Great video. What's your take on them reversing their rollout. First PCs then dual screens. So the "give it a chance due to be firm factor" isn't there now.
I personally like the OS, it has way more consistency.
Goddamn Microsoft, when will you realize... Simplicity is key!
lol...they will never realize. The just cant accept that they are no longer leader in technology as they used to be. I change to OSX two years back and never regretted that decision.It has been two years and OSX so far hasnt crashed on me, neither my mac automatically restarted!
Power > simplicity
@@dilawar_uchiha if by power you mean power consumption, yes Microsoft consumes lots of power by force auto updates, restarting after crashing, blue screen of death, poor hardware software optimization etc.
Power means my control over operating system , if they brought windows any closer to mac os I will never buy a windows device , simple but parts and install Linux after assembly
@@dilawar_uchiha so how does u have more control in windows and not mac??
cant wait for ep. 69
Nice!
Make it as fluid as iOS, then I’m sold.
Microsoft released promos for this like ten years ago when the iPad was new and it never came out. As long as we can root it and install Linux there’s a chance it won’t suck too badly
5:20 ahh dammit. I thought UWP is finally going to die. Why won't it die already :(
@Channel07 UWP can't be killed because become part of Xbox ecosystem
Anybody remember the Surface table?
To be honest, I don't want anything else than standard Windows on my desktop. I totaly hate this container approach.
That's why 10X is restricted to new, mobile form factors like the Neo.
If you rely on piracy then yes you should hate on containerization !
@@ahmedchampion3687
My concerns have nothing to do with piracy. It's about control and customisation.
Just remember everyone. If 10x happens on desktops, Linux isn't that hard to install and use anymore.
Aannd it´s dead. Sort off. But i really appreciate the attempt what microsoft did. Sometimes windows 10 feels wierd and not user friendly and i really hope that some stuff from 10x come to the regular system. It´s a litte sad that we don´t even saw how it operate. But maybe in the future microsoft will do it in the right way.
The bigger version of this with the little foldable keyboard actually looks awesome to me. Ive been using my iPad Pro almost constantly with he keyboard case from apple, but if this was more like a desktop computer for certain tasks this would make it a solid upgrade for me. Hopefully they can make this as good as it looks like it can be.
Since classic apps always runs in a sort of sandbox or virtual box in 10x does that mean i can't use apps like o&o shutup10 for privacy or old games that are no longer for sale? Hopefully microsoft gives an option to run apps without the container or don't force people to switch to windows 10x in the future
You actually can install third party app stores on iOS without jailbreaking it, and install off safari, so saying you can only install apps from one source isn't accurate
This clearly will fail on Desktops if mandatory.
But i'm interested in the dual screen portable.
When Microsoft restarts Windows 10 without my permission I say a prayer for all Microsoft employees to have a stake driven through their souls in the afterlife. Due to poor Microsoft architecture, I pray often.
Best is still to just run a Linux distro and virtualize Windows when you need it 🤷🏻♂️
Yes! When Linux has support for duel screens in this setup, it will be miles quicker.
best for you... maybe ) Run win and wsl - no need for Linux 🤷🏻♂️
The problem here is that Microsoft is trying to solve a Microsoft problem, not a (perceived) consumer problem.
GNU/Linux > Windows
I use Arch btw.
Except for ubuntu of course.
Great presentation and very fluid delivery. Nice video to watch. Sadly the recent update debacles from Redmond do little to persuade me that a more managed approach will be successful. If it remains uniquely on these new mobile devices it has an understandable place in the ecosystem, but my view is that bringing this approach to PC’s will make them even more unsteady than they are now.
"There shouldn't be a need for antivirus software"
Lmao
Wait, they say Macs never get viruses... could this be kinda legit?
Edit: Yes, alright alright, I'm wrong. I didn't wanna seem too harsh in the comment, and the argument that Macs don't get viruses seems to be an often repeated one.
Nope
Macs are as vulnerable as Windows... Honestly if you manage it right, any system can be "virus-free".
Linux much less so. The code is managed by exponentially more people than Windows and Mac combined, which means any kind of security holes are patched hours after finding it and the solution pushed to systems weeks (or whenever you want) after knowledge of it.
Unless you pluck some weirdish app from internet or a command to paste in Terminal/Powershell in any one of these, you're pretty much good to go.
Im doubtful myself. Haven't seen a widows update yet that hasn't created some type of hole in the system. I've stopped at 7 and will probably shift to linux before i let windows 10 even close to my main unit.
One gripe I have with this is, the windows store currently on windows 10 devices is really slow and unreliable in terms of updating apps.
Yeah, they really need to work on that. But Microsoft was surprisingly not pushing the store at all relating to 10x. They only mentioned it once and very briefly during the whole presentation, so I don't think it's a big focus area
a nightmare for many devs!
I'd like a return to the windows phone UI. I miss it so much
I think Linux is also that manageable, isn't it? More and more day, I feel like I shouldn't be Windows 10, either I should have a Mac or Linux.
Hey martin please record at a wider aspect ratio. Thx
Damn Im early
you got company now
One of my favorite channels on TH-cam. I think Windows 10X it's very interesting and brings some new possibilities and horizons for the users. The details about containerized apps, security and updates are just "the perfect world" for Microsoft. I hope for their success!
I'm actually fine with this revamp of Windows. I just hope this trickles down to budget devices and not just premium ones.
I heard something about the Duo only having 4G due to the selection of CPU. This would suggest that it will be obsolete when released, and will be followed by a delay while a 5G version is put into production, leading to confusion among buyers, given the cost of the device, as to whether to buy immediately or wait. I hope this issue is resolved soon.
This makes me a little nervous. Windows 8 tried to sit between a desktop and a tablet os, and frustrated users. Will 10x do the same sitting somewhere between an unmanaged system and a managed system? It feels like it’s trying to be all things for all people again, which imho is a terrible approach. Create a platform that is appropriate for the device it targets - this offers the best user experience
Here me out... Rollable display that has adaptible UI originating from Windowx. Imagine a decice that is a complete work station thats portable and versatile. One moment its a phone or table, then expand it to a laptop size for more productive work time, then bring it home and plug it in to a performance inhancer of some type. At the work station it could either function has a display, keyboard, or even a flatop pc of sorts (perfect for standing)
Microsoft really needs to perfect it's touch control in Windows. Surface pro, even, today still feels cluncky to use with touch only. It's useable, but misclicks make it feel really frustrating to use with touch.
Isn't this windows 10x OS just permanent split screen? I mean what's the difference between having this tablet that folds and having an unfold-able tablet that is in perma screen split? Well the single unit will break less often because there's no hinges. But I'm open to it. Maybe it will have functionalities that cannot be achieved by a single screen tablet. Also having this thing fold means if you want to watch a movie then you have this huge gap in the middle
nice vid. .. also for some nice Windows features, google Folderchanger
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As long as I can get my essential apps, I don't care about the OS.
Banking, Finances, Deliveries, Transportations.
And I really want to see 3rd OS that's completely different from existings and the only company that I know can do this is Microsoft.
They have the technologies, patents, resources to make it happen.