Regrinding Gold Tailings In A Mini Ball Mill! Better Recovery & More Gold??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2021
- Regrinding some gold quartz ore tailings through a mini ball mill to a finer mesh to see if there is any free gold that has not been liberated and recovered on the shaker table.
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Adding some soap helps recover extremally fine gold, you want just enough soap to break the surface tension of the water, not so much that it has suds in it.. Adding Jet dry is better yet...
water softener and detergent is what you want. As you said lower surface tension so it can drop down
What a fantastic early morning coffee and MBMMLLC
Awesome! Thank you
I love how Jason/MBMM continuously looks for better ways to improve the process.
Thank you!
@@mbmmllc have you thought about using leaching to get the gold instead?
If it's in there he's going to get it!
If anything was lost, Jason always knows how much.
Wow there's more gold in those tailings than there was in the virgin riverbed that I used to pan back east.
Best gold recovery channel on TH-cam
Fantastic work Jason! Always enjoy watching and learn what you have been doing.
Even if it doesn't work it's always worth trying .
Awesome recovery for what would normally just get discarded. That's why it's a good idea to sample mine tailings. Half ozt per ton of material already to be processed. Nothing to turn your nose up too !!!
That was very impressing and very didactic thank you for your demonstration I learned a ton Jason.
pretty significant amount of gold to produce :) good job Jason :)
This was really interesting. Quite a cool setup you have there and very nicely presented videos. Thanks. :)
I think you are the first guy on TH-cam to turn sand into clay...lol. awesome. Thanks for doing these videos. The effort is appreciated.
HECK YES!!!! I did not expect to see that much.. well done!!!
Very educational...love the videos and keep on digging 👌
Keep em coming man. I am trying to recreate some of your results. Couldn’t do it without your videos. The books on this stuff are hard to follow.
Thanks! Will do!
You really are on something there!Great!
Outstanding video! Thanks for the explanations and showing how to do these samples!
Glad it was helpful!
It was a valuable test!
Have a Great Day!!
Excellent video. Thanks for the lesson.
Awesome video as always. I'm definitely curious about what to do with the spent ball mill tailings. I Have worked in the concrete industry for about 20 years, and wondered about possible applications
Excellent video, this is 100% quality info.
Great video there is always something I want to know about and this was one of those things. Thank you
Thanks for sharing! Really interesting and detailed yet the way you explain everything is easy to understand despite me not having mining or refining experience. I wonder how much gold has been retrieved from mines but remains in waste piles or tailing piles around the world
really good video thank you for all your hard work
This is a fabulous education
The perfect start to the day
Just awesome! Great technical video that we all can understand. Just a great video Jason. You and Dan Hurd should collaborate, he has some hard rock properties artisanal mining spots up in BC Canada.
Very nice. Loved watching this.
Easily the best channel on TH-cam for gold recovery systems explanations and practical testing, Not a sixgun or a talking skeleton in sight. Just piles of gold laden sands and machinery that actually works.
For real, there are some annoying personalities out there. This guy is straight facts.
Thanks for the video. I find it interesting that no one seems to be trying to take advantage advantage of the value of the relatively high quality quartz or iron ore
Always enjoy watching your videos from here in the UK. Happy Fathers day BTW!
Thank you!
Wow, brother, that is one amazing video! So if you get 900.00 more in gold at 60.00 a gram that's some seriously big numbers for just grinding them down to a smaller amount. I was absolutely amazed at the size of your bead at the end for just a 50lb bucket of tailings. I can see now why the major mines go after the small stuff. This was one of my favorite videos that you have done, it's just mind-blowing to me, Awesome Job! Keep up the awesome work brother, this was a homerun for you for sure. :)
Thanks!
That's simply amazing the amount you got from those bland looking tailings. No doubt the tailings from that last gring could be ground finer to liberate more gold, and so on ,and so on. I really love your approach of experimenting all the time.Reminds me of me . Love all your vids and look forward always to your new ones. If you ever come down to Victoria ,Australia ,I would love to take you to some places I know in our gold fields which i'm sure you'd find fascinating.
p.s.Don't forget to bring your turnkey system ,but! ..so we can do some sampling runs..lol. I do however have a portable field rock crusher and plenty of pans though.
Jason your the man!
Enjoyed watching your video nice work keep digging.🙂
Glad you enjoyed
There is a gold field here in West Central Victoria near Percidale where the gold is hosted in pyrite (Ordovician deep marine black smoker) - About half the gold is too fine to settle by density alone.
In the same area there are rich reefs with much larger grain gold and nuggets to several hundred ounces - derived from hydrothermal veins (likely originating from the same sulphide source, but moved)
So depending on the nature of the gold you are processing, your requirements will change. Knowledge is power.
Great vid Jason , looks like it would be worth the effort , and if it was me i can't stand the thought of throwing gold away , no matter how much i gotta do to recover it , lol .
I'v had to grind and ball mill my material down to about -200 because thats how small the majority of my gold is. painfully slow as i can only do #40 in 24 hrs. I'm really liking the action in the ballmill you used!
Fascinating - thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
That fine washed sand seems great for aquarium
Great information!👍
Brilliant!
Your back this week good luck guys
Thats significant, looks like extra work but hopefully for you operation its worth the extra labour
Thank you very much
you are a master in your field. you have some nice sand at the end, you should find a use for it.
Hey Jason, Take a look at our buddy here.. Super fine recovery method .
His name is Aussie Bloke Prospector. You guys are top shelf. I told my brother about MBMMLLC today. I'm trying to spank some platina here. God Bless America and the world.
Nice video thank you two thumbs
Well I’m in an alluvial type area, that was top notch info, thanks Jason.
Could you possibly let me know where to get good cheap cupels, I’m in Australia other than E bay there are few options,..this would be a great help and thanks for all you do on this channel.
Much appreciated 🇦🇺👍
Hi Jason, 15 g/ton...nice... very nice... I am sure, some people (like me) coud pay YOU some money, so they can work on that tailings for couple of days and learn something... Unfortunately I live in Czech Rep... I hope you will come here soon again...
Nice effort
Good job!
When you were talking about the smaller particles having issues separating properly on the shaker table I had an idea. I’m sure you have, but have you done a test to see if varying the frequency and amplitude of the vibration on the table affects separation? And whether the efficiency can be improved with a finer material by changing these parameters?
Jason there is non toxic leaching formulas out there , check out Action Mining.If you take some of your cons from the panning what you just ran from the ball mill, say 100 grams, soak in Aqua Regia over night, then do a Stanis Cloride test on the fluid the color of black will tell you there is gold left for recovery.
You will still have to do water works with Aqua Regia.
First you have to neutralize it, and then you have to distill out the salts.
Great video… excellent job of explaining your processes and teaching the skills to the world… I also believe you are still marginally above the point of diminishing returns… pulling 13.5 grams a ton at today’s market price is right at $750 profit per ton… I don’t know what the cost of your operations run to conduct the extra processing per ton but I’d guess it’s below that mark… and if a test sample is done prior to first run processing then it could be even more cost effective because then it could be a modified system first time around and not two totally separate processes…. Thank you for your excellent video.
You can use stokes law to figure out settling times. If all your particles are the same size then just dump them in a column of water and pour off the solution at the time the gold hits the bottom.
This was cool thank you.
Glad you liked it!
I was very interested in all that you are good at your job man . Makes me think of a couple of places now. Golds in the sand but you carnt see it. Cheers
Always interesting !!!!
Thanks!
I'd think if you were continuous flow wet milling w that vibratory mill and wet screened with a fine mesh screener or a wet cyclone your efficiency would go way up - just like a large gold mine.
If you get some large metal pans and an oven that can maintain 110C then you can bake all your material for a few hours to remove all the water from it. There's even an ASTM standard for it.
Excellent résultat
Excellent
I have just gone back and reviewed your video on regrinding black sands,and by comparison it would seem the tailing sands seemed to yield a better result than the sulphides.
Question One/..Could this indicate that there is more bound gold in the quartz ,and/or other rock, in the sands ,than gold bound to sulphides in your number one and two tailings?
Question 2/...Would it be worth an examination under the microscope of grains in your sulphides and grains in your sands to see if bound gold can actually be seen?
Question 3/...I looked to me that you got a better result in this video by grinding dry than in the previous video grinding wet material. Would you agree with that? Cheers.
I really enjoy your videos Jason, and dream of getting your turnkey system. What you were saying about another screw going to a ball mill was already in my minds eye. Only from there into a leach pond and chemicals for total recovery.
His goal is maximum recovery sans chemicals. Gravity separation only.
Safety first second and last. If it's not safe and environmentally friendly then gravity it is.
@@clydecox2108 Definitely. Don’t need to be messing around with dangerous chemicals just for a little bit extra gold. Probably a zero sum game by the time you priced the chemicals vs the extra gold recovered.
great info!
Thanks for watching!
I wish my metallurgy classes were as practica hands onl as your videos and I would have take ln more interest in my mining course.
Great content keep them coming.
Thanks for watching!
Your future video with the plastic on the table to keep the gold down may be an excellent option for all grinds as well as fine grind.
Agree with what you said about finding out up front how much can be liberated. But you also have to factor in labor and equipment cost, no? You had to gather, and load the ball mill then run it for an hour. If you liberate a lot, but not enough to pay for the electricity to run that huge motor, let alone your time/cost shoveling it in and out 5 gallons at a time and moving the material around, is it still worth it?
Have you found gold locked in the structure of the sulfides? That would be interesting to test someone.
Adding jet dry to your water will break surface tension of the water for better panning .. grinding for a lot longer till it is fully silted. And when you smelted the bottom of the pour Ed crucible was still lumpy. Maybe stir it a bit and keep heating then your molten into the triangle mold. I'm autistic not trying to be critical of your methods but I felt I had to give you my 2 cents. Thanks for your contributions and sharing your experiences.
Love itmate hi fom Victoria Australia🇺🇸🇦🇺👌
Hey Jason, any new shots from the new old prospect you showed during the winter?
Another great vid
Thanks again!
Hello Sir
Use smaller Balls in the mil and the stuff get very fine or use a turning mil with bulletcores from high caliber guns
Great job!! Crush on, brother.
Thanks! Will do!
@mbmmllc Are you spamming your own comments?
Would a ball mill be good for re-processing tailings piles left by the old time dredges?
Jason, can you do a video on extracting the silver from the used cupels?
And, do the tailings following the ball mill have and economic value as processed material? If you could recover most of the cost of your ball mill operation by selling stone flour to industry, that would be a win.
Can you rub the gold button on some super fine wet n dry and do acid test to determine purity? Seems like a lot of work but 15g a tonne could make it worth the time and effort. And as some one else mentioned some dish soap will help drop the fine gold
I would be curious to know if an old style hammer mill could recover as much gold as a modern gravity operation like you have. I guess it would have to be free mill to get an apples to oranges comparison.
I love how people ask such technical questions, how many pounds did you use, how much electricity was used, did you eat breakfast, and how much gold did ya get? Like any of them will ever do this. I love a good laugh.
as long as they are polite, who knows? They might get The Bug!!
If the gold particle is to fine the surface tension of the water will make it float of the shaking table.
It would be interesting to see your design for a continuous ball mill.
Great suggestion!
nice, so a spiral classifier is a dewatering system?
7:00 why not feed the ball mill back into the primary shaker and use baffles to classify/remove the oversize based on flow? I'm sure I have not given it as much though as you though.
So does the batch mill have a rotating internal cylinder or does the unit just shake?
Very cool experiment! Is it profitable to do with the balls and other running costs?
Hi, Jason! Couldn't you just increese the angle of the screw transporter before the ballmill. Put the same ballmill upper level also and to return the fine sand in the same shaking table? . 🤔
I have a question how have you cleaned the steel balls or if maybe cleaning balls separately to clean them would catch more.
Hey if there isn't enough gd to be worth processing the tailings they're still worth something for use like clean classified paver sand.
Man I wish I didn’t live in Tennessee. Would love to get into something with gold.
Hello Sir
Use a ballmill with metal bares inside .
So the Balls get carried up and smash Down it is called cascademoving
Half-ounce extra per ton is quite a boost.
So how much time total did it take to get to the gold ball and how much is the ball worth? I know you are all about the machinery, but I find this pretty interesting.. Someone once said they could find gold in store bought playground sand. I can't remember if they did, but it seemed like an awful lot of work for a tiny amount of gold.
How would a ball mill fit in the turn key system would it be opened ended with a screen and how fast could the out put be could it keep up with the whole system at full throttle
Is that reddishness from Iron oxide or Sulphur compounds like Galina?
Try blowing some light air through the ball mill. The really fine dust could be blown out, leaving the heavier material.
It would be fun to experiment with some bubblers as well in that bucket. Then test if really need to shaker the contents of the entire bucket or just the latter 10%.
This sounds like a great idea!
Good idea!
What is the ideal size of crush when using these ball mills? Can u go from a jaw crusher to a ball mill say at 1/2 inch?
It's all good