Listen, I have always said that there was no contest between MJ and LeBron. But after watching this video... it's downright DISRESPECTFUL to even compare the two. Jordan was on another level. And that's no disrespect to LeBron. And I'm from Akron Ohio.
Mike was a cheat-code. I was never a big basketball-fan, I'm from Germany. Basketball isn't a big thing here. But when Mike played in the finals (which were available to watch on free tv back in that days in Germany), me and my friends were sitting in front of the tv the whole night, just to see him play. There will never be a player like Mike. His moves are art, that's what brought so many people into Basketball.
Which LeBron highlights you want to see? Dunking in the open court with no defender, dunking on smaller players with a running start? Or the best ones, his flop compilations lol.
People keep missing that highlight when Michael shoots the free throw with his eyes closed and a big smile knowing it was going in before he even set. GOAT.
My dad once referred to MJ like this. Many players can dunk on the opposing team, yell and make a point celebrating. Michael could make a dunk and deflate the entire opposing stadium then he'll go right back into defensive mode.
Jordan is the GOAT. No load management. No nights off. No crying. No flopping. No leaving for a super team. No giving up mid game. A threat to win every night no matter what. A gift to watch.
@@dwanewalker5551 But whether a super team is created by one player or a teams GM, that doesn't take away from what they are. Jordan was just a piece of the puzzle on the Bulls. Plenty of amazing players throughout NBA history who just had bad luck when getting stuck with certain teams. If Shaq never left Orlando one could argue that he would have never won a ring. If AI played on the Lakers instead of Kobe, one could argue that he coulda had 3+ rings.
@@StayTunedReviews What super team??? One other all-star Scottie Pippen NOT 3 like Lebron has had every time! It was MJ, Scottie and journeymen. You cant be this naïve..right?
Other players played basketball. Michael Jordan was basketball. That's the easiest way for me to describe watching him play in the '90s, like a real life mythological hero that defined the sport in my mind.
Kobe was a student of Michael Jordan. Michael recognized in Kobe the same drive and fearlessness that he had because this kid was the only player in the game that wasn't afraid to challenge him so, when Kobe asked for advice on how to improve his game, Michael actually gave it to him even though they were never on the same team.
Its not really fair to compare other players to MJ, not even Lebron. He was that dominant. I'm not going to post all the reasons why because it would be too long. I know young NBA fans have a hard time imagining that a guy could be better than Lebron James but Jordan was, and not just by a narrow margin, MJ is the reigning king of the court, an almost perfect 2-way player that was both offensively and defensively devastating. This is also what pisses me off about guys like Nick Wright, Shannon, Perk, these guys in modern sports media that know the truth but refuse to tell it.
It took Jordan 13 years to accomplish all that, and lebron have 19 or 20 years in and still hasn't caught up. Imagine if Jordan played that many years and who knows how many more hardwares and championship rings he would have had.. Jordan is and will always be the G.o.a.t!
If he wouldn't have retired the 1st time he would have gone to 8 straight, there is no question about that. Would he have wone 8 straight? No idea but I can promise he would have gone
LeBron is not on the same level as MJ, and I doubt anyone ever will be. This analysis video is really well put together and shows the clear differences. Also its worth noting that LeBron seems to be contributing to the current unpopularity and devaluing of the nba ..... is that a legacy for a goat of any sport?
I actually agree with your point about the decline in popularity of the sport. I dont think its a coincidence that during these floppy times (with the poster boy for flopping LeBron leading the way) that people are losing interest in the game. Its not fun to watch when it feels unfair and when dramatic crybaby behavior is repeatedely rewarded. I mean, last season, didnt the lakers have over 400 more free-throw attempts granted than the next team? And forget it if you are a bulls fan now (or any of the other teams who actually have dignity and didnt go to Juliard to major in Advanced Dramatics). Its sad...the honest players, you can see them getting discouaged and disheartened after getting repeatedly hosed by the refs -- sometimes even losing games over the utterly ridiculous flop&reward system. If i didnt love bball so much i would have stopped watching too. I understand why more casual viewers are not watching anymore. It feels fake sometimes and kinda depressing that the better playing doesnt necessarily win the game anymore.
Look, for all the reasons in the video, I already knew Jordan was the GOAT. But this video REALLY opened my eyes up even more. Jordan having a Defensive Player of the Year Award and Lebron having none, sold it for me as the GOAT is a complete player. But these advanced stats just blew my mind.
Yeah, those advanced stats and the classic 8 all point to Jordan's consistent superiority over LeBron. I didn't know, until this video, how much more dominant Jordan was over LeBron. I am still processing it.
Something else that needs to get added to that list at the end is 'Entertaining'. On top of being the best winner, competitor, scorer, defender, etc...He was also the MOST fun player to watch. Besides the dunks and trash talk, there was an underlying drama when Jordan played. As Bob Costas said, he was like an 'artist' out there. Much different than watching Lebron flop all over the court :) Nice vid, y'all!
That’s too subjective of a category. It has no baring on whose better or not. Opinion has no place on a comparison list. That leads to bias and devalues the accuracy of the assessment. Facts only.
That is the TRUTH... i am NOT a sports fan AT ALL.. but when MJ played i watched.. Dont know why dont know how.. but i was drawn to his art of the sport.. You can actually watch and always be on your toes like something is going to happen.. and there is OTHER like me.. MJ was "something to watch"...
I think it's more of a team thing, especially during the second 3-peat. The three main scorers, MJ, Pippen and Kukoc, all have this ballet-like quality in their movements, and Rodman is even more an entertainer, diving off court to catch the ball, nagging on an opponent, or threwing a long pass, hyping up the crowd. Most games I watched, the Bulls often warmed up slow, let the other team have the first few shots, catching up by end of 1st quarter, only pulled ahead in 3rd or 4th quarter.
@@raiderwarrior2725 No, but Jordan took a year and a half off. And he announced his first retirement right before the season started, really throwing the Bulls a curve. I just think that is a category that isn't as clear cut.
MJ is the greatest by so far it's not even close. MJ was perfect. He didn't have one thing at all he could improve on in his game. He was absolute perfection. I pity the people who weren't alive to watch him live in games. We all were glued to the television watching Michael Jordan and we knew we were watching something special, we knew we were watching greatness but it was more than just that there isn't words for the excitement we felt seeing him fly and dominate everyone on earth.
Forget all the stats, championship and what not. Without Jordan, the NBA will be nowhere as popular as it is right now. That alone makes him the goat, he elevated the league to another level.
Longevity should be in there when comparing players from the same era. Saying LeBron played 18 seasons and Jordan only played 13 and claim that makes LeBron more durable when MJ played in the 80s and 90s, where the opponent could basically assult you and beat you up and probably wouldn't even get fouled for it, is like saying a Prius is more durable than a Hummer when the Hummer went to Afghanistan and the Prius to the San Francisco suburbs. Just cuz the Hummer only lasted 5 years before it was blown to smithereens doesn't mean the Prius was more durable cuz it lasted for 30 years. It's a completely different environment and I would bet money that LeBron would've retired years ago if it was the same rules as in the 80s and he had played 10+ years VS teams like the Bad Boy Pistons. Physically he might have been able to, the man is a friggin beast... But he does *not* have the mental toughness or killer instinct required to survive the golden era. Sitting out the rest of the game cuz someone grazed his elbow? What a joke. Tell that to MJ or Larry Bird or Isiah Thomas and watch them bust a rib laughing.
I think Lebron was pushed by the media into the spotlight way too quickly and expected to be someone he just isn’t. He is a phenomenal freak of nature and definitely a great player but he doesn’t come close to Jordan. Even on the longevity, that is comparing apples to oranges. Also, I respect Jordan’s mid-career retirement. He pushed himself past the max and had to take time off for self care. That’s fantastic. Lebron, however, played like he didn’t want to be there sometimes. Jordan was never be accused of flopping or slacking off at any point (flu game?)
Well there's also the part people leave out (aside from retirements) that MJ also left nearly 2 years due to his dad's murder (many people even those who should know better act like he just left for no reason, but dealing with your close CLOSE family member -- nah that's just too rough for many). So - 2 years on longevity? Nah - 2 years on grief and then coming back. Also starting age 21-22 vs age 17 is a HUGE DIFFERENCE as well. Dude that also gives extra 4-5 years at the outset. If Jordan got to join the league and be "as bad as he was in college" and build up rather than coming in when he was as they say in his olympics video "already the best player in the league before he stepped on the court" Jordan could've easily played another 6-7 years right there. Add in taking out the Krause BS, he could've stayed in the bulls 99-00 and bam you got a solid career age 17-40, 23 years. Even if you give him his retirements and count how he was playing ball for so much he was playing so many more years at a high level (champion NBA, olympics, etc) He is still easily tied for longevity getting beaten seriously an injured. Also -- wonder if they counted up minutes played given that MJ played 82 games all the time and more minutes /game. I bet if they did that and added college his "longevity" would suddenly surpass Lebron real fast.
Not to mention that Jordan played the whole season almost his entire career. Resting star players wasn't really a thing back then. Lebron has played a full 82 once in his career.
if lebron played during bad boys era,he'll be crying or quit,much more attacking the basket relentlessly( knowing all opponents waiting) like mike did.
MJ would have been the greatest or close to it in whatever phil asked of him. He was asked to be a scoring machine so he becomes the best, if they asked for passing, same shit, or rebounding. MJ played PG some games in 89. He got 10 triple doubles in 11 games, and 11 in 15 games, barely missed getting 2 or 3 more.
@Charles Carter I didn't even mention Lebron one time 😂 , what got into you ? But if you want to talk about him , yeah he stacks numbers , right now it's different with his age he's obligated to limit himself a bit and let other players ( AD especially ) do most of the work . During the rest of his career though , he stacked a lot statiscally , he's well known for it everyone is saying how the dude is the greatest all-around player and how he's so durable and what not granting him the capacity to boast up a lot of numbers on the stat sheet . I think it's a bit overblown but that's his playstyle .
Sorry guy, I agree with 95% of MJ lore, but to say he was a PG???? The truth is Lebron and MJ are not gifted passers!!!!!!!!!!!!! Magic, Bird, and Stockton were gifted passers!!!!!! MJ could NEVER be a gifted 0asser because he was toooo dominant to develop that skill!!!!!!! Lebron is too physically gifted to develop that skill. One thing Bird, Magic, and Stockton all had in common, was their ability to know that their teammates were just as important as them!!!!!! Why are Larry and Magic 2 of the top 3 winningest players in NBA history??? That is because they were the best team players who ever lived!!!!! (Along with Bill Russell of course!!!)
@@anthonyzarate9807 I agree with you , but I didn't meant to say that MJ or Lebron were as good in playmaking as Magic , Bird or Stockton , I think we can throw other names in the list too though they excelled at it nd MJ especially despite not showing it with higher numbers in assists generally .
Funny how the only category LeBron wins is longevity and that somehow is enough to create a debate. I’ve told everyone that eye test is all you need, too many LeBron fans are just like the video said, TH-cam clip watching, I watched both and would never utter LeBron and Jordan in the same sentence
100% correct! Lebron fans are ridiculous, they don't like to hear that their superstar had to create his teams to win, like a little kid creating a team to win at the park on 2K. The whole point in doing anything in life, especially sports, is to win the chip, not get there and say "At least i made it there".
When Jordan was on the court he gave it his all, he didn't stand or walk he was always moving and moving fast. and he didn't flop lol. Jordan was consistent on everything.
You sound remedial as hell, no facts in your little rant right here. Just emotional like a woman, this man that made this video used facts. And to say that MJ played nobodies is just an ignorant as statement by a casual fan 🙄.
If you think that, he wouldnt even respond to trashtalkers. He ALWAYS responds to trashtalker. Sometimes I think he's looking for a reason to go all out and wreck the other team.
MJ never ever gave away a single game in his life, for 13 years in the NBA he played 100% every single time! offensively and defensively, on court and off the court ... Lebron on the other hand have games that you can feel that he is not just dont care, not to mention that he always recruits someone that he can pass the ball to, players that can take over games like wade, allen, bosh, irving, love, AD ,westbrook, melo, etc etc ... and he even sometimes REST for a couple of games especially during the later part of the regular season to preserve himself for the playoffs ... MJ NEVER DID THAT !! HE PLAYED EVERY GAME THAT HE CAN, EVEN PLAYED WITH A FLU ... LEBRON is not even close to MJ, not even close ...
I agree with the guy on the right about "longevity" not being on the list. It is unfair to compare MJ to lebron longevity-wise coz MJ went to college, retired in his prime. Lebron went to the NBA straight from highschool. If we arw talking about durability, MJ played all 82 games of the season 9x compared to Lebron only 1x
I agree. But longevity goes to LBJ by technicality. If MJ didnt retirethe first time and played a couple more years after 98, MJ would take it IMO. But that didnt happen.
Yeah. And Jordan got his ass kicked in the paint on a daily basis. Literally. They hammered him under the basket. Lebron gets that sweet open lane of today’s NBA.
Jordan played more full 82 game season then LeBron, got phisically beat down. But we want say LeBron more iron man in era you touch a guy your fouled .
In the 80s, Jordan was literally playing on a team dubbed as the "cocaine circus". He had no one on his team to help him. Teams literally just focused all their defense on Jordan.
Those of us that grew up watching Michael Jordan have been trying to get every point from this video across to the younger generation for years now! Now maybe yall get it! 🤣
The debate exists only in the eyes of those that didn`t see Jordan play. I live in Europe and in the 90s I was waking up at 3am in the morning every time a Jordan game was being broadcasted. Nowadays, Lebron games are being broadcasted at 10PM and I don`t have any interest in seeing them. I see Jordan as the greatest athlete this world has ever had.
Watching Jordan play basketball in the 90's or just NBA in general was like watching Attitude era Monday night RAW or SMACKDOWN and seeing Stone Cold, The Undertaker, The Rock or Goldberg in the WCW etc... back in the day. But todays NBA and WWE..... it has it's moments but it isn't the spectacle it once was! 😁
This is what I've been trying to tell all Lebron lovers since day 1. It's never even been a fair comparison. MJ is hands down the GOAT. Some people need to take their Lebron shades off and see the truth lol
Jordan played in a VERY physical era. Wherein as LeBron plays in a "touchy- feely" no mas era. Jordan endured a swarming defense and rose again, again to the challenge. Leflop is a ridiculous flopper. In fact one of the worst actors in presenting his flops. Many times a no effort defender. And has numerous examples of walking out of ongoing games. Leflore also has a history of "no show" during numerous 4th quarters. Many times in the playoffs. Jordan allowed others to judge his efforts. LeBron calls himself the 'GOAT'-- thoroughly shameful.
I agree. There is no comparison. The only reason anyone even wastes their time talking about it as if there is an actual case to be made for LeBron is because there aren't as many people around that actually watched Jordan play in his prime. I don't know anyone old enough to have watched both that doesn't chuckle when someone tries to make a case against Jordan. It's ridiculous. It isn't close. Never was close. It's like driving a Mustang and saying its better than a Bugatti but you never drove the Bugatti. If you have driven both, it isn't even close.
This video ENDS the GOAT debate when it comes to LBJ. This is straight empirical evidence that cannot be denied. All true heads know Mike is the all-time GOAT, especially if you watched him actually play. DangerProductions killed it with this video.
You want to know what Lebron James did better tham Michael Jordan. That's easy, he jumps team to team better. He gets to trade all of his talented players away in the middle of the season better. He gets all the top ten talent on his squad better. He has had more help in winning championships than Michael Jordan better. He has been the better loser than Michael Jordan better than Michael Jordan.
I have a few intangible points to add in MJ’s favour: In the playoffs or the 4th quarter of games in the 90s, everyone expected the Bulls to win the game. It was a surprise if they didn’t. I have never had that feeling about LeBron. His close games are always up in the air and he loses more often than he wins when it matters. Also, at the start of playoffs over the last ten years, there are many teams that could win a championship. In the 90s, the conversation was always about whether anyone could beat Chicago or not. Most people expected Chicago to win and we took it for granted until it ended in ‘98. Also, from around ‘89 (maybe even ‘87) to ‘98, Jordan was undoubtedly the best player in the league. During LeBron’s best years, there have always been debates over who is better: “Kobe or LeBron?”, “Durant or LeBron?” “Curry or LeBron?”, “Giannis or LeBron?” This NEVER happened with Jordan. How can you consider LeBron the GOAT when fans don’t even agree that he’s the best player in the league at any one time? I fully agree with the analysis of Jordan’s Bulls being the juggernaut. MJ was just like Tiger Woods is his peak. There were great golfers on tour, but they didn’t win very often when Tiger was at peak, so we don’t remember them. Many amazing NBA teams from the 90s have been overlooked because the Bulls were too good. LeBron isn’t a crazy competitor like MJ, Bird or Magic. If the aliens come down and we have to ball out to save humanity, I want Magic, MJ, Bird, Kareem and Wilt. LeBron’s not on the court. I don’t want us to go extinct because LeBron decides to let ET drive the lane and lay it in uncontested. LeBron is a great talent, but he’s not a winner.
Dude, the league is way more talented today. Durant can do what Jordan does with greater height with similar FG% against stronger perimeter defense (more athletic). There are too many talented shooters in the league today. Jordan days have not expand NBA to international level. He is one of the main catalysts for sure and he had publicly acknowledge the talent in today's league.
@@markfish1113 the defense now is so soft that you just need to over react to get a freethrows. the only advantage in the present day era basketball is the 3point shooting but the rest is so soft and premadonna not like in the tough physical defense in 80's and 90's basketball.
@@markfish1113 bro are you serious Jordan is the reason the Game is global....the Players of today game get to play horse....anything you can do i can do better that's why they hit so many 3's cause the defense sit back and watch...no role player's every one wants to be the greatest shooter...back in the day player's had Roles Players use just for defense you was not getting off all them 3 point shots on no team Period!
@@mickz1829 It depends on context for this opinion. Back then not much accurate 3-pt shooting and everyone could put 5 man in the paint. Jordan also benefit from this as he shot over 5 players in close range without the need to drive much. A good shooter will dominate in NBA back then as its rare. The perimeter defense is way stronger today and we had seen Kobe & Kevin Durant to judge how Jordan will play in this era. They both need serious help to win a championship because their skillset is being nullify by other ways of scoring and strong perimeter defense. Today its much more demanding to be all-rounder, 1 to 5 players must do every aspect well. Having said that, today the champion usually plays very high percentage in the paint scoring and rebounding combined with 3pt shooting.
I love Bron man, but he put a target on his back ever sincs that chosen one tattoo. He didn't define the decade he was drafted at, it was Kobe's decade. Even at the next decade, it was Curry's decade because he changed the way they played. Bron has been unfortunate.
"Bron has been unfortunate." I'll give this to the Bron fans: He was anointed way too early. He couldn't handle pressure. And still can't. Great player, no doubt. But, as you said, Kobe and Curry changed the game.
@@edwinwollet848 he’s definitely handled the pressure. Not being better than MJ doesn’t mean LeBron couldn’t handle the pressure of being the chosen one. LeBron is arguably the second best player, ever. Certainly, top 5 ever
@@alexanderrose1071 James wouldn’t have survived the 80’s and 90’s. Physically maybe but definitely not mentally. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Rodman, Barkley. Add Reggie Miller to that group. These guys would have torn James apart with their incessant mind games. Curry and Kobe would have survived. Not James.
One of the dumbest debates/comparisons out in sports has always been the MJ vs. LBJ debate. This debate was kind of a media construct and it wasn't driven by integrity instead it was driven by agendas. Because if you really sit down and scrutinize the comparisons between these 2 players and really go through the hard data, you quickly realize it is really not even a debate to begin with. Did you know that Michael Jordan is the only player in NBA history to win the NBA's scoring title, regular-season MVP, the NBA championship, Finals MVP, and make an NBA All-Defensive team in the same season? On top of that, he was able to achieve this in 4 different seasons; 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, and 1997-98. He would have achieved it 6 times, but the NBA awarded the MVP to Charles Barkley in 1993, and to Karl Malone in 1997. If Jordan had won MVP in those years, he would have had 6 seasons where he accomplished each of these milestones. I’d rather be like MJ than LBJ! Efficiency + Consistency = MJ Longevity + Fluke = LBJ
If everything this video pointed out still doesn’t get shht through peoples head,here’s another ‘stat’-MJ has the most trophies all time too with 22...The next closest is Bill Russell with 17.Lebron has 14...Not even close...(and he’s played 6 more seasons so far) And then that clutch stat in the video is such a joke,CLASSIC espn LIES...U can simply google who has the most “buzzer beaters” all time for yourself right now and u will see it’s MJ and he has twice as many as lebron.And that’s JUST ‘buzzer beaters’...When it comes to game winners it becomes even more of a joke,MJ has entire videos dedicated to just game winning shots.Lebron hasn’t even attempted as many game winning shots as MJ has actually made.Shannon sharpe loves to throw out that false,lying stat about lebron having more than MJ & kobe.He literally lies on national tv every time he says that.Do ur own homework people,it only takes a couple min (but u gotta wanna know the truth).And even if u don’t wanna check for urself that’s fine,simply use your memory,yall KNOW lebron doesn’t have that many... This debate is pure desperation and lies.
WHAT? Lebron vs MJ: -top 3 offensively vs the goat offensive player -top 35 defensively vs a top 50-60 defensive player -top 2 longevity vs top 25 longevity (maybe lower) -top 3 peak vs the goat peak -top 1-2 playoff performer vs the 1-2 playoff performer this can go either way. And before you get mad about the defense. Man defense is not even close to being the most impactful aspect of defense. Rim protection, off ball defense, and versatility > any other defensive aspect -In which Lebron DESTROYS Mj in those 3 defensive categories, making it useless to make this a debate. 3-peating against weaker competition all around does not make someone a better INDIVIDUAL player than another. -Especially when those teams get worse once the playoffs started (other than the Sonics) The best defenders MJ faced in the playoffs were GP, Mchale, Parish, Cooper, Ewing, Dumars, Laimbeer, Majerle, and Malone. KG and Tim Duncan DESTROY all of those defenders. In addition to Joakim Noah, Ben Wallace, Bowen, Green, Danny Green, Kawhi, Butler, Klay, and Igoudala. The Spurs, Celtics, Pacers, Bulls, and Warriors are all better overall teams and defenses in particular than ANY of the team's Mj ever faced other than the 86 Celtics. None of the Pistons, Jazz, Sonics, or finals comp are better.
🤦🏾♂️...Man,just no concept of reality at all lol. Lebron can’t even comprehend playing basketball at MJs level.Thats crystal clear with a simple eye test,an eye test that only requires a glance.But beyond that,the numbers match what your eyes tell u in every way...Now,don’t take it from me, just look at the data yourself.Lebron fans love stats right??So,spend a tad over 32 minutes of your life making sure u never do this too yourself again.Watch the entire video of u want to know the truth....if u DON’T want to know the truth,then definitely DO NOT watch. m.th-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/w-d-xo.html
That link I put for that video covers more of the offensive side of the ball and more team type stats. U insinuated that MJ is only a man to man type defensive player and that Lebron “destroys” MJ in other defensive categories...That’s why I said u have no concept of reality. So,MJ lead the league in steals 3 times (an all-time record),lebron never has...MJ is 3rd all time over all in steals in a 13+ year career.Lebron is 10th overall in 19 seasons.MJ leads all guards both pg & sg in nba history with the most blocks all-time.Mj is number 1 all-time in defensive win shares per/48 min in both regular season and postseason...Lebron is 7th.
Then u said the best defenders MJ ever faced was... And then u proceeded to name only ONE guard and the rest were big men??So only one name u mentioned actually would’ve guarded MJ 🤦🏾♂️ (Again,lacking in reality)...Then,to double down on your ignorance u mentioned how KG and Tim Duncan did against players that again,never guarded MJ 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️...Just wow... So,how about some actual reality,reality and truth about Lebron.No opinions,no regurgitation of espn or fox liars & stans,just good old fashion facts... Lebron has needed a once in a lifetime,once in a career,all stars aligning 3-point shot...He needed a never happened before in the history of the nba/once in 75 years of nba basketball ‘happening’ where a team up 3-1 in the finals doesn’t win,a literal all-time choke...Then a weird covid-19 shortened no fan bubble season where an 8 seed makes the finals...U know how many time an 8 seed has made the finals in 75 years of nba bbal...Twice...guess what those two instances have in common,they both happened in weird shortened/half seasons.The most recent because of covid,the first time was because of a strike. He has needed never happened before in the history of the nba type chokes,an all stars aligning basket with a pandemic influenced shortened season fluke.And those are his ‘wins’!!...
You two youngsters are becoming the GOATs of these type of reactions. It's a long damn video so I was a little reluctant to watch but I'm glad I did. And I've bled purple & gold since Magic's rookie season, so there's zero bias in my opinion. I've been fortunate to have watched both MJ and Bron in person, while in their primes, and I agree with the younger looking brother (gray shirt) it wasn't even close. Bron is phenomenal but he's human. Jordan was like a damn jaguar. His instincts were animalistic and his reflexes were big cat-like. One factor this video didn't talk about was the mental. And we all know mentally the Black Cat was as deadly as Alec Baldwin with a prop gat. Let's forget about the rings, stats, accolades, etc. for one moment. Let's speak on the artistry. Jordan's aerial acrobatics were mesmerizing. Even though I hated the Bulls growing up I never missed a televised game because of Black Jesus. The guy didn't walk on water because he preferred the air. And so many people tuned in to see it. You've seen the ratings since he retired?
Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF) 1) Jordan = 36 2) LeBron = 30 3) Kareem = 29 4) Kobe = 28 4) Duncan = 28 6) Magic = 20 7) Russell = 19 8) Bird = 17 9) Wilt = 16** 10) Shaq/Hakeem = 16 **Would be a lot higher but All-Defensive Team selections didn't start until 1969 BTW, Players like Durant = 12, Giannis = 10, Curry = 9 and a couple of others still have a chance on making it into that Top Achievement list before their career is over.
As accurate as all this is, what makes MJ was the Goat is his Impact in the Game..MJ Literally saved the NBA itself and made it Global. People who didn't know the first thing about basketball, or people who didn't even like the NBA at all tuned in Night after night to see what MJ would do next. People who didn't even Understand The game didn't care, they Just wanted to watch MJ Fly, or do some crazy athletic move. You have your Mt Rushmore but all those on that mtn are all eyes to the skies watching MJ Fly over them... Also one more reason....Nobody wearing LBJ's they still wearing Jordan's...
@@darrallshamarwilliams7560 Nah Harlem Globs did no such thing (and ive seen them live). Bird/magic kept the NBA floating but MJ without the millions of new fans he brought and global for real NBA was dead
@@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester Watch their documentary and open your mind of history. So f'n what, I've seen them live too..overseas! The NBA never traveled around the world except for Olympic games but The Globetrotters did. I'm Talking about them introducing basketball to the world.
27:20 I’m an 80s baby (who saw MIKE AND JANET LIVE), so you can miss me with the LeBron cartoon. Never seeing Jordan in action hurts. Never seeing LeBron is something I’ve never thought of♥️♥️
If longevity means slacking in tons of games so you don't tire yourself out, then means nothing. But if you give it your all Everytime your out there and you got a long career says something
If you really want to count how many times Michael Jordan was in the finals count everything including his NCAA championship, his two Olympics Gold Medals, and his two Threepeats in the NBA finals, with six 6 scoring titles, 6 all first team on defense, and mvp, finals mvp, and all-star mvp, in the same year. Name a better player, their isn't any better than Michael Jordan. Greatest of all times.
@@MINK2393 That's an assumptions of the facts. He was the first to threepeat, and he did it twice in the modern era undefeated, for a grand total of 9 an 0 not 8 2 like your fantasy. Here is Lebron during his first Olympic run he gets the Bronze medal, Then Kobe Bryant joins him in the next two an both are gold, 4 wins in the finals with 6 losses. You do the math.
IMO he is 5 and barily above majic but I also have the bias of never being able to watch alot of the greats. most of the players in my top 10 list i've never watched so they might be disrespected my top 10 is: 10: steph 9: The dream 8: duncan 7: bird 6: majic 5: bron 4: Kobe 3: kareem 2: wilt 1: MJ Mind you I started actualy watching and paying attention to the NBA around 2015-2016
Jordan became the global NBA franchise that got the worlds attention look at the olympic dream team and its influence of people's knowledge of him. Plus he changed the face of company endorsements which led to other atheletes getting more endorsements but Jordan shoes are still top recognizable sellers around the world.
Brother is 100% correct. There is no comparison. Jordan, Magic, Bird are the three greatest and most important players in sports history. And I'm not even a basketball guy... I'm a hockey guy.
In 1994 Jordan played in the MLB and play 127 games. Out of his element but still showed skill in the sport of baseball. 127 games is a lot of games. So that should go towards his longevity. Jordan also had 3 homeruns. LeBron has 0 homeruns. LeBron will never most likely ever play in pro Baseball. Jordan also stole bases, and worked on his batting avg and improved.
MJ was on a whole other level of greatness, he was getting beat up every time he drove to the basket, but that only made him drive to it more, incredible.
Jordan won in Accomplishments, Winning, Statistics, and Eye Test. Each of these categories insinuates that he's the better player. All of those categories point towards skill. Lebron won in Longevity, which doesn't insinuate the better player. It just says that he played for a longer time. It has nothing at all to do with skill.
@@angelsden Very true. Soft game. If Jordan played by today's rules, his stats would be higher and he would've played longer. Maybe 20 years like Kobe.
As far as longevity. Jordan played 3 years in college. Lebron came straight out of high school. So that’s 3 extra years for Lebron, Jordan retired for almost 2 years. He came back with with 17 games left in the season so it can be counted as 5 years. Then when Bulls management decided to dismantle the Bulls, after they won the championship which is insane, Jordan retired again for 3 more years. Jordan had 1 serious injury in his 2nd year and then in his 1st season with the Wizards he was playing at a very high level and had the Wizards on pace for the playoffs until a teammate accidentally ran into his knee. That was the only 2 times Jordan got injured. The last one was a freak accident and the 1st one probably wouldn’t have happened with todays sneakers. Jordan also changed his body to a baseball body by putting on muscle while he was in his 30s. Jordan came back at age 32 and got back into basketball shape and played all 82 games in his 2nd 3-peat with the Bulls. Do durability I put both of them equal. Jordan was actually more durable during the season because he played all 82 games 9 times. Also Jordan played hard on both sides of the ball the entire game. So I give durability edge to Jordan. Longevity goes to Lebron but only because Jordan spent 3 years in college and was retired 5 years in between comebacks. So that’s 8 years of stats Lebron will have on Jordan. Jordan 3 peated twice and no team has 3 peated since the Celtics in the 60s. That’s how hard a 3 peat is and to do it and take off 2 years and come back at age 32 and do it again is just ridiculous. Jordan found a way to win when his team was capable of winning. Their were Lebron teams that should of won but didn’t. Jordan is the 🐐
MJ played in a far more physical era putting more wear and tear on his body...Lebron has the advantage in terms of modern technology .. ..load management etc and Lebron is playing in a more offensive .. less physical oriented NBA making it possible to play far more seasons...MJ has the better quality in seasons versus Lebrons quantity of seasons
It's amazing how so many people want to ignore Lebron's effort on defense. This isn't football. Basketball players need to put in the work on both ends of the court and MJ was consistently one of the best two-way players. Legit if it wasn't age or injury MJ was that guy. Additionally as the video says MJ was consistently putting in the effort. There are literally years were it was clear Lebron decided he wasn't going to put in the effort on defense. Even his most hardcore fans can't deny it. I can't get behind that. Legit how can Lebron be upset when his team loses a game by a point or two when he was standing on the other side of the court watching his team play 4 v 5 on defense? The bulls may have lost the game but how many times did anyone ever question MJs effort to win it? Also as for the clutch point I can already hear the tried and true Lebron excuse. "Well he's made more than Jordan!" And they hope no body thinks any harder past that statement. What they ignore is 1) Lebron, having played a lot more games than MJ, has had more opportunities to try and make those shots and 2) it's not how many you make but how likely you are to make them. Question? Who is the more clutch player between the two? Player A who made 25 game winning or tying shots out of 50 or player B who made 28 out of 90? Player A is the more clutch player because statistically he has a higher percentage of making it. LBJ fans would say player B because he made more overall even if he has a much higher chance to miss.
@@leonard9624 lol what do I have to cry about? No I'll leave the crying to the LBJ fans who get all upset when another poll, player, coach, website, analyst, etc, put Jordan on top again like they keep doing.
There was an interview with NBA players and one of them actually said after he retired the first time, he actually said about it... Phew thank God we have a chance to win one now
Bro getting being a dominant player confused with being a dominant winner. In the 80s he was a kid put on the worst team against some of the best teams not of that era but of all times. Once he got one more hall of famer play with him he became unstoppable, unbeatable.
Glad too see you've watched this. I grew up in the Jordan era and still loved Dominique Wilkins and Spud Webb and Hawks are still my team. But watching Jordan was great by itself.
MJ, Bird and Magic. Put them in whatever order you want, I don't care. To me they're the best players ever. Kareem gets an honorable mention, if there was 4 slots on my list he'd be in there as well.
Modern players today have much more advantage in longevity than players back in the 80s and 90s. Nutrition science has advanced, new technology that helps rejuvenate your body and assists with recovery, load management, and modern NBA rules (less physical, takes less toll on body).
Here’s the deal. Anything you say Jordan wasn’t the best at, you know in your heart that if he decided to put in the work, he’d become the best at it in an offseason. Only player ever even remotely close to that was Kobe. James could dominate a few categories, if he hyper focused, but would be limited in which categories he could truly thrive in.
Well, put, sir. Jordan had the power of self-hypnosis. He could literally will himself into thinking that he was playing for his life. That is why he was nearly impossible to stop. And they bring up the Pistons and Celtics. Those guys were the ones most scared of him because they could see that he nearly beat them singlehandedly.
In my opinion the 1 thing that had never been mentioned between the 2 is loyalty.if you pay attention to the intro you'll notice Jordan was only wearing only 1 jersey while LeBron was wearing multiple. Now to me that speaks extreme volumes for Jordan.
For brothers, you two are the coolest. I love how this video shows a very clear winner and you still take it SO well. Well done to you both, and thanks for the share.
Yeah the part in the video where you said y’all see it for yourself and your brother said that’s lazy. It’s honestly not laziness, it’s a mentality issue and why he isn’t up there bc he’s it even top mentality. It shows heavily throughout his career and why he never won more. When shit hits the fans and hard times happen he literally flops or folds.
Nooo comparison!! I agree!! What’s your name ? With the tats ? I agree . Thanks for being a realist ! Your brother is seeing the factual light . You guys are Great 🤣✔️✔️✔️
Kudos to your brother for accepting the huge argument for Jordan. Some people will stubbornly keep with their beliefs regardless of the strength of the evidence against them. From people who watched Jordan and Lebraon, you're right, there is no question who the GOAT is. And this is from a fan who HATED Jordan when he played. But fans of all of Jordan's contemporaries will accept the fact that Jordan was better than their favorite player, because it was that inescapable. I myself am a Larry Bird fan. Bird may have been able to be mentioned in the same breath as MJ, but his injuries left him with way fewer seasons at his peak unfortunately. One thing that was missed in the video, though it did mention that Jordan's legacy included blasting the NBA into the stratosphere of popularity worldwide. It is that Lebron James the last couple of years, through the injection of divisive racial politics and kowtowing to China has lost a lot of people's respect, and it is no small part because of that attitude that the NBA has seen some of its lowest ratings.
True. In Jordans second season he comes back after a season ending injury when Chicago's upper management wanted to tank for a better deal pick. They get into the playoffs with one of the worst records in NBA playoff history to meet your Last Bird and arguably the greatest ever team until that point. Jordan plays two of the greatest ever playoff games with basically zero help and almost wins two games against that team a fifty plus game and a record 63 points. The interviews with Prime Bird after those games are just disbelief at how much better Jordan is than everybody. "God disguised as Michael Jordan." The main reason Bird and Magic are not considered GOAT candidates is they were clearly not Jordan. I feel sorry for them, especially Bird because he had a case for GOAT until That series. Now as we look back, people use that series as a reason Jordan cannot be GOAT. ????? What the???? Getting swept by Bird's Celtics is one of Jordans strongest arguments for GOAT. He was other worldly in those games.
I was with you up until the racially divisive comment. If we were to use the President of the United States as the barometer. LeBron James is way less racially divisive than the previous president of the United States was. We live in a racially divided country, shedding light on that isn’t a bad thing. Unless of course, you are one of those people who want to sweep that sort of thing under the rug because it doesn’t benefit you and people who look in think like you.
@@kvocal Don't believe everything the media tells you. Research for yourself and find raw video footage. People in power want us all to hate each other and they manipulate all of us.
@@kvocal There's a way to bring up inequity that is constructive. My opinion is that all Lebron did was throw gasoline on the racial divide, and at the same time, in the most cowardly way possible, not only didn't criticize China's horrible ethnic cleansing policies, but tried to shut down the speech of everyone else who spoke up. While we could agree to disagree on Lebron's effect on the domestic racial divide, I don't know many people who are disappointed in Lebron's kowtowing to China. It was so open and disgusting that all people had to have to be bothered by it is a conscience. Because all of the NBA's leadership did the same thing, it caused a lot of decent people to abandon watching the NBA.
Charles Barkley once said that if Jordan played in LeBron Era, he would have scored averaged 60 per game. Also, if that was the case, how would LeBrons longevity have been after being beaten up on a nightly basis?
When it takes 1 person 13 seasons to set all these goals and the other person still hasn't caught the other person in these goals in 21 seasons, there's no debate
I personally think, the big difference was the different era that Jordan played in compared to LeBron. The pistons actually dedicated a season to take out Jordan. Each games focus was to hurt jordan. That era was tough to play in. Players today couldn't hang in all that. Period.
No players today would have the same mentality as that era because the way they are raised and the trash talk if a modern player comes into the era of mj or magic and bird they would have the mindset because that’s the way they had to play in that era
Good point on longevity..... to add to that back in the 80s and 90s it was waaaay more physical and prone to getting hurt compared to now far less physical.
*JORDAN DOMINATED EVERY PLAYER BEFORE HE WON THE FIRST TITLE AND THEN AFTER TASTING THE CHAMPIONSHIP, NO ONE COULD WIN WITH HIM IN THE LEAGUE, LEBRON JAMES HAS NOT DOMINATED THIS LEAGUE BECAUSE STEPH, TIM DUNCAN AND DIRK NOWITZKI HAVE TAKEN 6 TITLES FROM LEBRON, MICHAEL JORDAN THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME*
Its so funny you mentioned Reggie. When Mike was considering coming out of retirement, it was Reggie Miller that went and got him and helped him get back in playing shape.
The utah vs bulls championship was iconic. For me it is definitely one of the best Championship series. Watching the game is like a roller coaster. Both teams beat the hell out of each other. Bulls may have won both series but i can say that it wasnt a walk in the park. 💯
I think the people discussing the GOAT especially in this generation , when it comes to Lebron, need to forget about it . What they need to look at is WHO is #2 . The top spot is taken and probably never will be replaced .....EVER.... Kobe, Bird and a few others need to be brought into the conversation of #2. Jordan didnt need pippen, that is all he had until rodman came in and he still won a 3 peat without rodman. Great video as always
Saw Dr. J when I was a teenager when he was on the Va Squires. Charlie Scott and George Gervin were also on that team. He didn't hit a jump shot the whole game. Scored 42 pts! All I could say is "WOW!"
Since the beginning of the MJ - LeBron "Debate", I've always laughed. I grew up actually watching those MJ games on T.V.. No one will hit those same stats in that amount of time and have that kind of impact on the ENTIRE sport again.
U are Hella correct!! MJ took away alot of Great players dreams . Imagine how pissed the players were inside when MJreturned . I watched it all . MJ was the greatest player in the league his rookie yr . Klay is back in Jan/Feb . Warriors are gonna Bron really sad this season once again .
And to think, Jordan was actually cut from his high school team. Rather than whine and cry about it he vowed to get better and improve every aspect of his game. That's another thing Jordan had in abundance, mental toughness, and if you have that nothing can hold you back because you'll never let anyone define who you are or what you can achieve.
Here's another thing to think of Kareem 38,000 points #1 played 20 seasons L.James 35,000 points #3 played 18 seasons K.Bryant 33,000 points #4 played 19 seasons NOW CHECK THIS OUT M.JORDAN 32,000 POINTS 13 FULL SEASONS THINK ABOUT THAT. GAOT!!!!!!
Kobe is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He's the worst kind of player. A ball hog. I hate playing with ball Hogs because they kill the chemistry of the team
@@warrenbfeagins I agree that Kobe is one of the most skilled basketball players the league has ever seen. Part of what made Jordan more effective than Kobe is that Jordan was more athletic. Kobe was an incredible 3-point shooter but he drove me crazy with how many shots he forced. Which hurt his efficiency. There's nothing that drive teammates more crazy than someone forcing bad shots when they're already taking 25 field-goal attempts per game. If Kobe had more discipline in his shot selection and worked harder to include his teammates, I may have been less annoyed watching him. I always got the impression it was Kobe first, team second. If I had to build a team I would not have Kobe in my top 10. Heck, I would rather take Reggie Miller as a shooting guard who had half as many turnovers, and shot more efficiently from the field, free throw line and three-point territory. While still scoring 20 pts per game. I also view Dwyane Wade as a better 2 guard in his prime than Kobe. Just tragic that D-Wade had knee injury issues that stunted the latter half of his career
I would even say LeBron was better at assists...because, being such a low percentage shooter outside of 3 ft... he didn't have confidence in his shooting, so he passed it off to someone else to avoid dropping his shooting percentage even lower.
As a kid I loved Jordan but ended up getting tired of seeing him win so much in the end. I would just walk away from the TV knowing the result that was about to happen. That feeling was never there with Lebron. Also people forget but Jordan was already considered the GOAT after the first 3-peat. You had to be there my people.
Longevity is definitely a factor but not a huge one if both players last beyond 10 or so years. I think 10 years is the cut off to be considered in an all time great conversation.
Listen, I have always said that there was no contest between MJ and LeBron. But after watching this video... it's downright DISRESPECTFUL to even compare the two. Jordan was on another level. And that's no disrespect to LeBron. And I'm from Akron Ohio.
Love the honesty bro👍
Well said I’m from Akron also i understand y will still have this conversation
You got dam right
True...Bron isn't even the goat at his position
Yea it is
Mike was a cheat-code. I was never a big basketball-fan, I'm from Germany. Basketball isn't a big thing here. But when Mike played in the finals (which were available to watch on free tv back in that days in Germany), me and my friends were sitting in front of the tv the whole night, just to see him play. There will never be a player like Mike. His moves are art, that's what brought so many people into Basketball.
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Same here, not an NBA fan being from latin america, but I watched Jordan games back in the day... Legends must be witnessed
Same thing in the Philippines.. MJ had a huge influence to basketball in the 90s. Before you know it.. everybody wanted to play like Mike
@@jaytibby u made me smile & laugh
Thank you for that
Which LeBron highlights you want to see? Dunking in the open court with no defender, dunking on smaller players with a running start? Or the best ones, his flop compilations lol.
😂😂😂 don’t do that
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How about lebron getting SWEPT in the finals TWICE!!! Can you imagine any Jordan led team getting swept in the finals?
My personal favorite lebron highlights are when he gives up on a play, and stands there wiping his hands as his team has to play 4 on 5 defense.
@@alexjimenez3459 LeBron would been cussed out by Jordan for that Jordan would punch him worse than he punched Steve Kerr
People keep missing that highlight when Michael shoots the free throw with his eyes closed and a big smile knowing it was going in before he even set. GOAT.
Yes, I keep noticing that (the one thing you never expect anyone to miss) @ that part (I’m looking for a reaction)🤨
lebron tried it......and failed lol
My dad once referred to MJ like this. Many players can dunk on the opposing team, yell and make a point celebrating. Michael could make a dunk and deflate the entire opposing stadium then he'll go right back into defensive mode.
Jordan is the GOAT. No load management. No nights off. No crying. No flopping. No leaving for a super team. No giving up mid game. A threat to win every night no matter what. A gift to watch.
Jordan didn't have to leave for a super team because he had a super team. He never made it to the Finals without one.
@@StayTunedReviews He wasn't on a team full of future Hall of famers. They learned how to be a superteam, much different
@@dwanewalker5551 But whether a super team is created by one player or a teams GM, that doesn't take away from what they are. Jordan was just a piece of the puzzle on the Bulls. Plenty of amazing players throughout NBA history who just had bad luck when getting stuck with certain teams. If Shaq never left Orlando one could argue that he would have never won a ring. If AI played on the Lakers instead of Kobe, one could argue that he coulda had 3+ rings.
@@StayTunedReviews What super team??? One other all-star Scottie Pippen NOT 3 like Lebron has had every time! It was MJ, Scottie and journeymen. You cant be this naïve..right?
@@packman5906 He HAS to be kidding.
Other players played basketball. Michael Jordan was basketball. That's the easiest way for me to describe watching him play in the '90s, like a real life mythological hero that defined the sport in my mind.
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MJ never said that he's the GOAT. "I've never played against Wilt and Bill, so I can't say such a thing".
LBJ did.
Great difference.
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And lebron did say that he was...
If u read the quote at the beginning of this video,u get my point
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@Elijah Moiselouis I think he is making that comment in favor of MJ
Facts!!!! MJ let's everyone say it. And know it to be true. That's how the real goat handles this stuff. :)
Kobe was a student of Michael Jordan. Michael recognized in Kobe the same drive and fearlessness that he had because this kid was the only player in the game that wasn't afraid to challenge him so, when Kobe asked for advice on how to improve his game, Michael actually gave it to him even though they were never on the same team.
Listen to MJ speech after Kobe passed away
I watched MJ Play from the beginning. And I will say this to this day….MJ is and will always be the GOAT!
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I love how Kobe is rarely mentioned in this Goat debate. He was the closest thing to Mike I’ve ever seen.
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the numbers dont back that up! if you look at kobe yeah! and his confidence was up there but the numbers are not there! per and all that!
The reason is because he is considered the baby GOAT to jordans big DADDY G.O.A.T.
He was but that doesn’t mean he is close to him in terms of talent
@Aaron9 you sound like you mad bc Kobe use too beat up on your favorite team lol
Its not really fair to compare other players to MJ, not even Lebron. He was that dominant. I'm not going to post all the reasons why because it would be too long. I know young NBA fans have a hard time imagining that a guy could be better than Lebron James but Jordan was, and not just by a narrow margin, MJ is the reigning king of the court, an almost perfect 2-way player that was both offensively and defensively devastating.
This is also what pisses me off about guys like Nick Wright, Shannon, Perk, these guys in modern sports media that know the truth but refuse to tell it.
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MY WORDS EXACTLY!
It's not that they don't know. But they have a network's agenda to push.
Well said Jack! To the point!
It took Jordan 13 years to accomplish all that, and lebron have 19 or 20 years in and still hasn't caught up. Imagine if Jordan played that many years and who knows how many more hardwares and championship rings he would have had.. Jordan is and will always be the G.o.a.t!
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In all reality, had Jordan not retired
You could be looking at 8 rings, a definite 7.
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@@チャーリーブラウン-w8l maybe 9 of he didn't try baseball
If he wouldn't have retired the 1st time he would have gone to 8 straight, there is no question about that.
Would he have wone 8 straight? No idea but I can promise he would have gone
LeBron is not on the same level as MJ, and I doubt anyone ever will be. This analysis video is really well put together and shows the clear differences. Also its worth noting that LeBron seems to be contributing to the current unpopularity and devaluing of the nba ..... is that a legacy for a goat of any sport?
Yeah ....woke egotistical lbj is benefitting nothing and no one
Good point. Its so sad watching the art of the convincing flop becoming more prevalent on the court than aggressive honest play with real heart.
@@--ArcAngel-- it's gotten almost as bad as watching European soccer players....
I actually agree with your point about the decline in popularity of the sport. I dont think its a coincidence that during these floppy times (with the poster boy for flopping LeBron leading the way) that people are losing interest in the game. Its not fun to watch when it feels unfair and when dramatic crybaby behavior is repeatedely rewarded. I mean, last season, didnt the lakers have over 400 more free-throw attempts granted than the next team? And forget it if you are a bulls fan now (or any of the other teams who actually have dignity and didnt go to Juliard to major in Advanced Dramatics). Its sad...the honest players, you can see them getting discouaged and disheartened after getting repeatedly hosed by the refs -- sometimes even losing games over the utterly ridiculous flop&reward system. If i didnt love bball so much i would have stopped watching too. I understand why more casual viewers are not watching anymore. It feels fake sometimes and kinda depressing that the better playing doesnt necessarily win the game anymore.
@@tombanaski3251 lol...so true!
Look, for all the reasons in the video, I already knew Jordan was the GOAT. But this video REALLY opened my eyes up even more. Jordan having a Defensive Player of the Year Award and Lebron having none, sold it for me as the GOAT is a complete player. But these advanced stats just blew my mind.
Defensive player of the year while leading the league in scoring.
That year he won dpoy didn't he also win MVP being the steals leader and the scoring leader
Yeah, those advanced stats and the classic 8 all point to Jordan's consistent superiority over LeBron. I didn't know, until this video, how much more dominant Jordan was over LeBron. I am still processing it.
Something else that needs to get added to that list at the end is 'Entertaining'. On top of being the best winner, competitor, scorer, defender, etc...He was also the MOST fun player to watch. Besides the dunks and trash talk, there was an underlying drama when Jordan played. As Bob Costas said, he was like an 'artist' out there. Much different than watching Lebron flop all over the court :) Nice vid, y'all!
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That’s too subjective of a category. It has no baring on whose better or not. Opinion has no place on a comparison list. That leads to bias and devalues the accuracy of the assessment. Facts only.
That is the TRUTH... i am NOT a sports fan AT ALL.. but when MJ played i watched.. Dont know why dont know how.. but i was drawn to his art of the sport..
You can actually watch and always be on your toes like something is going to happen.. and there is OTHER like me.. MJ was "something to watch"...
Thats your opinion
I think it's more of a team thing, especially during the second 3-peat. The three main scorers, MJ, Pippen and Kukoc, all have this ballet-like quality in their movements, and Rodman is even more an entertainer, diving off court to catch the ball, nagging on an opponent, or threwing a long pass, hyping up the crowd. Most games I watched, the Bulls often warmed up slow, let the other team have the first few shots, catching up by end of 1st quarter, only pulled ahead in 3rd or 4th quarter.
The one thing i can say Lebron is better at is stacking his team and making the management accommodate his needs
thats true LeBRON NEEDS LOTS OF HELP !! Waiting for the easy shot lol flop king
Remember Jordan was a rookie player winning age later still winning 40
The only thing Lebron is better at is Flopping.
And traveling
Taking day offs
@@raiderwarrior2725 Well, Jordan retired twice. That's taking days off. So LeBron finishes second there too.
@@cheeseburger12 retiring isn’t the same as taking days off during the season.
It’s only the start of the season and Leflop already took a day off
@@raiderwarrior2725 No, but Jordan took a year and a half off. And he announced his first retirement right before the season started, really throwing the Bulls a curve. I just think that is a category that isn't as clear cut.
MJ is the greatest by so far it's not even close. MJ was perfect. He didn't have one thing at all he could improve on in his game. He was absolute perfection. I pity the people who weren't alive to watch him live in games. We all were glued to the television watching Michael Jordan and we knew we were watching something special, we knew we were watching greatness but it was more than just that there isn't words for the excitement we felt seeing him fly and dominate everyone on earth.
He could improve 3PT. But even at that he was 33% league average.
Well said Quan chi
@@toddjohnson271in his his time everyone averaged 31.7% he avg more and made 87.3% shots from the three.
@@y.v.n.gvidsstuff1057 MJ highest 3PT % was 50% in 94-95
@@toddjohnson271he didnt need to obviously. When you can average 37 on 2s only 3s dont matter. Espicially when you win 6 chips as well.
Forget all the stats, championship and what not. Without Jordan, the NBA will be nowhere as popular as it is right now. That alone makes him the goat, he elevated the league to another level.
Longevity should be in there when comparing players from the same era.
Saying LeBron played 18 seasons and Jordan only played 13 and claim that makes LeBron more durable when MJ played in the 80s and 90s, where the opponent could basically assult you and beat you up and probably wouldn't even get fouled for it, is like saying a Prius is more durable than a Hummer when the Hummer went to Afghanistan and the Prius to the San Francisco suburbs.
Just cuz the Hummer only lasted 5 years before it was blown to smithereens doesn't mean the Prius was more durable cuz it lasted for 30 years.
It's a completely different environment and I would bet money that LeBron would've retired years ago if it was the same rules as in the 80s and he had played 10+ years VS teams like the Bad Boy Pistons.
Physically he might have been able to, the man is a friggin beast... But he does *not* have the mental toughness or killer instinct required to survive the golden era.
Sitting out the rest of the game cuz someone grazed his elbow? What a joke.
Tell that to MJ or Larry Bird or Isiah Thomas and watch them bust a rib laughing.
I think Lebron was pushed by the media into the spotlight way too quickly and expected to be someone he just isn’t. He is a phenomenal freak of nature and definitely a great player but he doesn’t come close to Jordan.
Even on the longevity, that is comparing apples to oranges.
Also, I respect Jordan’s mid-career retirement. He pushed himself past the max and had to take time off for self care. That’s fantastic. Lebron, however, played like he didn’t want to be there sometimes. Jordan was never be accused of flopping or slacking off at any point (flu game?)
Well there's also the part people leave out (aside from retirements) that MJ also left nearly 2 years due to his dad's murder (many people even those who should know better act like he just left for no reason, but dealing with your close CLOSE family member -- nah that's just too rough for many). So - 2 years on longevity? Nah - 2 years on grief and then coming back. Also starting age 21-22 vs age 17 is a HUGE DIFFERENCE as well. Dude that also gives extra 4-5 years at the outset. If Jordan got to join the league and be "as bad as he was in college" and build up rather than coming in when he was as they say in his olympics video "already the best player in the league before he stepped on the court" Jordan could've easily played another 6-7 years right there. Add in taking out the Krause BS, he could've stayed in the bulls 99-00 and bam you got a solid career age 17-40, 23 years. Even if you give him his retirements and count how he was playing ball for so much he was playing so many more years at a high level (champion NBA, olympics, etc) He is still easily tied for longevity getting beaten seriously an injured.
Also -- wonder if they counted up minutes played given that MJ played 82 games all the time and more minutes /game. I bet if they did that and added college his "longevity" would suddenly surpass Lebron real fast.
Not to mention that Jordan played the whole season almost his entire career. Resting star players wasn't really a thing back then. Lebron has played a full 82 once in his career.
@@danlorett2184 plus Lebron rested on defense a good portion of the time. I don’t think Jordan rested even when he was off the court.
if lebron played during bad boys era,he'll be crying or quit,much more attacking the basket relentlessly( knowing all opponents waiting) like mike did.
MJ would have been the greatest or close to it in whatever phil asked of him. He was asked to be a scoring machine so he becomes the best, if they asked for passing, same shit, or rebounding. MJ played PG some games in 89. He got 10 triple doubles in 11 games, and 11 in 15 games, barely missed getting 2 or 3 more.
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yeah he was a complete player , he just didn't need to stack numbers in order to succeed
@Charles Carter I didn't even mention Lebron one time 😂 , what got into you ?
But if you want to talk about him , yeah he stacks numbers , right now it's different with his age he's obligated to limit himself a bit and let other players ( AD especially ) do most of the work .
During the rest of his career though , he stacked a lot statiscally , he's well known for it everyone is saying how the dude is the greatest all-around player and how he's so durable and what not granting him the capacity to boast up a lot of numbers on the stat sheet . I think it's a bit overblown but that's his playstyle .
Sorry guy, I agree with 95% of MJ lore, but to say he was a PG????
The truth is Lebron and MJ are not gifted passers!!!!!!!!!!!!! Magic, Bird, and Stockton were gifted passers!!!!!! MJ could NEVER be a gifted 0asser because he was toooo dominant to develop that skill!!!!!!! Lebron is too physically gifted to develop that skill. One thing Bird, Magic, and Stockton all had in common, was their ability to know that their teammates were just as important as them!!!!!! Why are Larry and Magic 2 of the top 3 winningest players in NBA history??? That is because they were the best team players who ever lived!!!!! (Along with Bill Russell of course!!!)
@@anthonyzarate9807 I agree with you , but I didn't meant to say that MJ or Lebron were as good in playmaking as Magic , Bird or Stockton , I think we can throw other names in the list too though they excelled at it nd MJ especially despite not showing it with higher numbers in assists generally .
Funny how the only category LeBron wins is longevity and that somehow is enough to create a debate. I’ve told everyone that eye test is all you need, too many LeBron fans are just like the video said, TH-cam clip watching, I watched both and would never utter LeBron and Jordan in the same sentence
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STR8 FACTS......
100% correct! Lebron fans are ridiculous, they don't like to hear that their superstar had to create his teams to win, like a little kid creating a team to win at the park on 2K. The whole point in doing anything in life, especially sports, is to win the chip, not get there and say "At least i made it there".
@@CasualGamerPlays Please, all of that is another mans opinion still just like it's my opinion that Lebron is the GOAT.
he’s also played 4 years more than Jordan (in year 19 rn) and still has less championships
I think Longevity is also having the mentality to come out and compete at the highest level. Jordan played in a more physical era.
When Jordan was on the court he gave it his all, he didn't stand or walk he was always moving and moving fast. and he didn't flop lol. Jordan was consistent on everything.
Why is this comparison even being made ? They’re not comparable ! MJ is the GOAT. The end.
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Delusional Gen Z Lebron Fans
LBJ is the GOAT of Runner-Ups..
U sound dumb😂
Jordans conference finals vs lbjs
MJ never competed against nobody. he competed against himself... that motivates him to rise above all else..
You sound remedial as hell, no facts in your little rant right here. Just emotional like a woman, this man that made this video used facts. And to say that MJ played nobodies is just an ignorant as statement by a casual fan 🙄.
So MJ is basically like goku
@@CBPfilm the only remedial person here is you it’s clear what OP meant you misunderstanding isn’t his fault
If you think that, he wouldnt even respond to trashtalkers. He ALWAYS responds to trashtalker. Sometimes I think he's looking for a reason to go all out and wreck the other team.
@@CBPfilm you clearly didn’t get it
MJ never ever gave away a single game in his life, for 13 years in the NBA he played 100% every single time! offensively and defensively, on court and off the court ... Lebron on the other hand have games that you can feel that he is not just dont care, not to mention that he always recruits someone that he can pass the ball to, players that can take over games like wade, allen, bosh, irving, love, AD ,westbrook, melo, etc etc ... and he even sometimes REST for a couple of games especially during the later part of the regular season to preserve himself for the playoffs ... MJ NEVER DID THAT !! HE PLAYED EVERY GAME THAT HE CAN, EVEN PLAYED WITH A FLU ... LEBRON is not even close to MJ, not even close ...
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You were right, nobody else could win. That's how depressing being a fan of the other teams. Heart breaking every year.
That was an excellent point on the topic of longevity. Didn't think about technology and the advancements in the medical field the first time watching
I agree with the guy on the right about "longevity" not being on the list. It is unfair to compare MJ to lebron longevity-wise coz MJ went to college, retired in his prime. Lebron went to the NBA straight from highschool. If we arw talking about durability, MJ played all 82 games of the season 9x compared to Lebron only 1x
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Jordan also played in the 90's & that was a physical era to play in. Also putting him on his ass.
Took a toll on his body.
I agree. But longevity goes to LBJ by technicality. If MJ didnt retirethe first time and played a couple more years after 98, MJ would take it IMO. But that didnt happen.
Yeah. And Jordan got his ass kicked in the paint on a daily basis. Literally. They hammered him under the basket. Lebron gets that sweet open lane of today’s NBA.
Jordan played more full 82 game season then LeBron, got phisically beat down. But we want say LeBron more iron man in era you touch a guy your fouled .
I am so SO happy to have watched Mike at his prime against the other GOAT players during the 80s and 90s. Good days.
I'm with you there, I grew up watching those games, I knew players from every team, not just one or two teams.
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The Golden years of the NBA was Michael Jordan. I’m with you, I’m so glad I was able to grow up watching basketball in the late 80’s through the 90’s
In the 80s, Jordan was literally playing on a team dubbed as the "cocaine circus". He had no one on his team to help him. Teams literally just focused all their defense on Jordan.
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Why jordan aint make non of his teamates like they say he made pippen?
@@NBAKING149 at least MJ made one Pippen. Meanwhile, LBJ trades rookie Pippen, Paxson, Grant to get Hakeem and Barkley. lol
@@ThePadai im talkn bout mj idc that you got feelings for lebron
He made Pippen. I think that's enough for him to get 6 chips.
Those of us that grew up watching Michael Jordan have been trying to get every point from this video across to the younger generation for years now! Now maybe yall get it! 🤣
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I'm 33 and from Chicago and know cause my uncle and I, 3 brothers cousins watched him court side in 1998 finals only At 7..never forgotten memories..
One other thing that was missing from the video in MJ's repertoire was that he was back-to-back NBA Slam Dunk Champion
The debate exists only in the eyes of those that didn`t see Jordan play. I live in Europe and in the 90s I was waking up at 3am in the morning every time a Jordan game was being broadcasted. Nowadays, Lebron games are being broadcasted at 10PM and I don`t have any interest in seeing them. I see Jordan as the greatest athlete this world has ever had.
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Watching Jordan play basketball in the 90's or just NBA in general was like watching Attitude era Monday night RAW or SMACKDOWN and seeing Stone Cold, The Undertaker, The Rock or Goldberg in the WCW etc... back in the day. But todays NBA and WWE..... it has it's moments but it isn't the spectacle it once was! 😁
@@republicofcasuals Perfectly said sir :)
This is what I've been trying to tell all Lebron lovers since day 1. It's never even been a fair comparison. MJ is hands down the GOAT. Some people need to take their Lebron shades off and see the truth lol
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Jordan played in a VERY physical era.
Wherein as LeBron plays in a "touchy- feely" no mas era.
Jordan endured a swarming defense and rose again, again to the challenge.
Leflop is a ridiculous flopper. In fact one of the worst actors in presenting his flops. Many times a no effort defender. And has numerous examples of walking out of ongoing games. Leflore also has a history of "no show" during numerous 4th quarters. Many times in the playoffs.
Jordan allowed others to judge his efforts.
LeBron calls himself the 'GOAT'-- thoroughly shameful.
Lebron has clips of him finishing lay ups while rondo/defenders were hugging him mid air. Wtf are you talking about.
@@loristnorton3723 Hugging as opposed to being abused knocked down and slammed to the floor...I'm sure Jordan would rather be hugged.
I agree. There is no comparison. The only reason anyone even wastes their time talking about it as if there is an actual case to be made for LeBron is because there aren't as many people around that actually watched Jordan play in his prime. I don't know anyone old enough to have watched both that doesn't chuckle when someone tries to make a case against Jordan. It's ridiculous. It isn't close. Never was close. It's like driving a Mustang and saying its better than a Bugatti but you never drove the Bugatti. If you have driven both, it isn't even close.
This video ENDS the GOAT debate when it comes to LBJ. This is straight empirical evidence that cannot be denied. All true heads know Mike is the all-time GOAT, especially if you watched him actually play. DangerProductions killed it with this video.
You want to know what Lebron James did better tham Michael Jordan. That's easy, he jumps team to team better. He gets to trade all of his talented players away in the middle of the season better. He gets all the top ten talent on his squad better. He has had more help in winning championships than Michael Jordan better. He has been the better loser than Michael Jordan better than Michael Jordan.
I have a few intangible points to add in MJ’s favour:
In the playoffs or the 4th quarter of games in the 90s, everyone expected the Bulls to win the game. It was a surprise if they didn’t. I have never had that feeling about LeBron. His close games are always up in the air and he loses more often than he wins when it matters.
Also, at the start of playoffs over the last ten years, there are many teams that could win a championship. In the 90s, the conversation was always about whether anyone could beat Chicago or not. Most people expected Chicago to win and we took it for granted until it ended in ‘98.
Also, from around ‘89 (maybe even ‘87) to ‘98, Jordan was undoubtedly the best player in the league. During LeBron’s best years, there have always been debates over who is better: “Kobe or LeBron?”, “Durant or LeBron?” “Curry or LeBron?”, “Giannis or LeBron?” This NEVER happened with Jordan. How can you consider LeBron the GOAT when fans don’t even agree that he’s the best player in the league at any one time?
I fully agree with the analysis of Jordan’s Bulls being the juggernaut. MJ was just like Tiger Woods is his peak. There were great golfers on tour, but they didn’t win very often when Tiger was at peak, so we don’t remember them. Many amazing NBA teams from the 90s have been overlooked because the Bulls were too good.
LeBron isn’t a crazy competitor like MJ, Bird or Magic. If the aliens come down and we have to ball out to save humanity, I want Magic, MJ, Bird, Kareem and Wilt. LeBron’s not on the court. I don’t want us to go extinct because LeBron decides to let ET drive the lane and lay it in uncontested. LeBron is a great talent, but he’s not a winner.
Dude, the league is way more talented today. Durant can do what Jordan does with greater height with similar FG% against stronger perimeter defense (more athletic). There are too many talented shooters in the league today. Jordan days have not expand NBA to international level. He is one of the main catalysts for sure and he had publicly acknowledge the talent in today's league.
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@@markfish1113 the defense now is so soft that you just need to over react to get a freethrows. the only advantage in the present day era basketball is the 3point shooting but the rest is so soft and premadonna not like in the tough physical defense in 80's and 90's basketball.
@@markfish1113 bro are you serious Jordan is the reason the Game is global....the Players of today game get to play horse....anything you can do i can do better that's why they hit so many 3's cause the defense sit back and watch...no role player's every one wants to be the greatest shooter...back in the day player's had Roles Players use just for defense you was not getting off all them 3 point shots on no team Period!
@@mickz1829 It depends on context for this opinion. Back then not much accurate 3-pt shooting and everyone could put 5 man in the paint. Jordan also benefit from this as he shot over 5 players in close range without the need to drive much. A good shooter will dominate in NBA back then as its rare. The perimeter defense is way stronger today and we had seen Kobe & Kevin Durant to judge how Jordan will play in this era. They both need serious help to win a championship because their skillset is being nullify by other ways of scoring and strong perimeter defense. Today its much more demanding to be all-rounder, 1 to 5 players must do every aspect well. Having said that, today the champion usually plays very high percentage in the paint scoring and rebounding combined with 3pt shooting.
I love Bron man, but he put a target on his back ever sincs that chosen one tattoo. He didn't define the decade he was drafted at, it was Kobe's decade. Even at the next decade, it was Curry's decade because he changed the way they played. Bron has been unfortunate.
"Bron has been unfortunate." I'll give this to the Bron fans: He was anointed way too early. He couldn't handle pressure. And still can't. Great player, no doubt. But, as you said, Kobe and Curry changed the game.
@@edwinwollet848 he’s definitely handled the pressure. Not being better than MJ doesn’t mean LeBron couldn’t handle the pressure of being the chosen one. LeBron is arguably the second best player, ever. Certainly, top 5 ever
@@alexanderrose1071 James wouldn’t have survived the 80’s and 90’s. Physically maybe but definitely not mentally. Jordan, Magic, Bird, Rodman, Barkley. Add Reggie Miller to that group. These guys would have torn James apart with their incessant mind games. Curry and Kobe would have survived. Not James.
I agree Lebron never three peat or win back to back two diffrent times only MJ and Kobe did that
@The Terminator but he dident three peat or went back to back to diffrent times Kobe 00 01 09 10
One of the dumbest debates/comparisons out in sports has always been the MJ vs. LBJ debate. This debate was kind of a media construct and it wasn't driven by integrity instead it was driven by agendas. Because if you really sit down and scrutinize the comparisons between these 2 players and really go through the hard data, you quickly realize it is really not even a debate to begin with.
Did you know that Michael Jordan is the only player in NBA history to win the NBA's scoring title, regular-season MVP, the NBA championship, Finals MVP, and make an NBA All-Defensive team in the same season? On top of that, he was able to achieve this in 4 different seasons; 1990-91, 1991-92, 1995-96, and 1997-98. He would have achieved it 6 times, but the NBA awarded the MVP to Charles Barkley in 1993, and to Karl Malone in 1997. If Jordan had won MVP in those years, he would have had 6 seasons where he accomplished each of these milestones.
I’d rather be like MJ than LBJ!
Efficiency + Consistency = MJ
Longevity + Fluke = LBJ
If everything this video pointed out still doesn’t get shht through peoples head,here’s another ‘stat’-MJ has the most trophies all time too with 22...The next closest is Bill Russell with 17.Lebron has 14...Not even close...(and he’s played 6 more seasons so far)
And then that clutch stat in the video is such a joke,CLASSIC espn LIES...U can simply google who has the most “buzzer beaters” all time for yourself right now and u will see it’s MJ and he has twice as many as lebron.And that’s JUST ‘buzzer beaters’...When it comes to game winners it becomes even more of a joke,MJ has entire videos dedicated to just game winning shots.Lebron hasn’t even attempted as many game winning shots as MJ has actually made.Shannon sharpe loves to throw out that false,lying stat about lebron having more than MJ & kobe.He literally lies on national tv every time he says that.Do ur own homework people,it only takes a couple min (but u gotta wanna know the truth).And even if u don’t wanna check for urself that’s fine,simply use your memory,yall KNOW lebron doesn’t have that many...
This debate is pure desperation and lies.
WHAT?
Lebron vs MJ:
-top 3 offensively vs the goat offensive player
-top 35 defensively vs a top 50-60 defensive player
-top 2 longevity vs top 25 longevity (maybe lower)
-top 3 peak vs the goat peak
-top 1-2 playoff performer vs the 1-2 playoff performer
this can go either way.
And before you get mad about the defense. Man defense is not even close to being the most impactful aspect of defense.
Rim protection, off ball defense, and versatility > any other defensive aspect
-In which Lebron DESTROYS Mj in those 3 defensive categories, making it useless to make this a debate.
3-peating against weaker competition all around does not make someone a better INDIVIDUAL player than another.
-Especially when those teams get worse once the playoffs started (other than the Sonics)
The best defenders MJ faced in the playoffs were GP, Mchale, Parish, Cooper, Ewing, Dumars, Laimbeer, Majerle, and Malone.
KG and Tim Duncan DESTROY all of those defenders. In addition to Joakim Noah, Ben Wallace, Bowen, Green, Danny Green, Kawhi, Butler, Klay, and Igoudala.
The Spurs, Celtics, Pacers, Bulls, and Warriors are all better overall teams and defenses in particular than ANY of the team's Mj ever faced other than the 86 Celtics. None of the Pistons, Jazz, Sonics, or finals comp are better.
🤦🏾♂️...Man,just no concept of reality at all lol. Lebron can’t even comprehend playing basketball at MJs level.Thats crystal clear with a simple eye test,an eye test that only requires a glance.But beyond that,the numbers match what your eyes tell u in every way...Now,don’t take it from me, just look at the data yourself.Lebron fans love stats right??So,spend a tad over 32 minutes of your life making sure u never do this too yourself again.Watch the entire video of u want to know the truth....if u DON’T want to know the truth,then definitely DO NOT watch.
m.th-cam.com/video/tl3mR6eoEa8/w-d-xo.html
That link I put for that video covers more of the offensive side of the ball and more team type stats.
U insinuated that MJ is only a man to man type defensive player and that Lebron “destroys” MJ in other defensive categories...That’s why I said u have no concept of reality.
So,MJ lead the league in steals 3 times (an all-time record),lebron never has...MJ is 3rd all time over all in steals in a 13+ year career.Lebron is 10th overall in 19 seasons.MJ leads all guards both pg & sg in nba history with the most blocks all-time.Mj is number 1 all-time in defensive win shares per/48 min in both regular season and postseason...Lebron is 7th.
Then u said the best defenders MJ ever faced was...
And then u proceeded to name only ONE guard and the rest were big men??So only one name u mentioned actually would’ve guarded MJ 🤦🏾♂️ (Again,lacking in reality)...Then,to double down on your ignorance u mentioned how KG and Tim Duncan did against players that again,never guarded MJ 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️...Just wow...
So,how about some actual reality,reality and truth about Lebron.No opinions,no regurgitation of espn or fox liars & stans,just good old fashion facts...
Lebron has needed a once in a lifetime,once in a career,all stars aligning 3-point shot...He needed a never happened before in the history of the nba/once in 75 years of nba basketball ‘happening’ where a team up 3-1 in the finals doesn’t win,a literal all-time choke...Then a weird covid-19 shortened no fan bubble season where an 8 seed makes the finals...U know how many time an 8 seed has made the finals in 75 years of nba bbal...Twice...guess what those two instances have in common,they both happened in weird shortened/half seasons.The most recent because of covid,the first time was because of a strike.
He has needed never happened before in the history of the nba type chokes,an all stars aligning basket with a pandemic influenced shortened season fluke.And those are his ‘wins’!!...
They need to show that video during an ESPN special and let it put an end to this Lebron/GOAT buffoonery. Great video guys!!
You two youngsters are becoming the GOATs of these type of reactions. It's a long damn video so I was a little reluctant to watch but I'm glad I did. And I've bled purple & gold since Magic's rookie season, so there's zero bias in my opinion. I've been fortunate to have watched both MJ and Bron in person, while in their primes, and I agree with the younger looking brother (gray shirt) it wasn't even close. Bron is phenomenal but he's human. Jordan was like a damn jaguar. His instincts were animalistic and his reflexes were big cat-like. One factor this video didn't talk about was the mental. And we all know mentally the Black Cat was as deadly as Alec Baldwin with a prop gat. Let's forget about the rings, stats, accolades, etc. for one moment. Let's speak on the artistry. Jordan's aerial acrobatics were mesmerizing. Even though I hated the Bulls growing up I never missed a televised game because of Black Jesus. The guy didn't walk on water because he preferred the air. And so many people tuned in to see it. You've seen the ratings since he retired?
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Total Achievements: (Titles, MVPs, Finals MVPs, 1st All-NBA, 1st All-DEF)
1) Jordan = 36
2) LeBron = 30
3) Kareem = 29
4) Kobe = 28
4) Duncan = 28
6) Magic = 20
7) Russell = 19
8) Bird = 17
9) Wilt = 16**
10) Shaq/Hakeem = 16
**Would be a lot higher but All-Defensive Team selections didn't start until 1969
BTW, Players like Durant = 12, Giannis = 10, Curry = 9 and a couple of others still have a chance on making it into that Top Achievement list before their career is over.
You forgot a few things bro.
MJ has 10 scoring titles,3 steals title,a DPOY award.
So with your list that’s put MJ at 50
Plus MJ did everything in fewer seasons... effective winning
@@FreedomFighter2112 Also Finals MVP didn't start until 1969. Russell would have crushed that one.
As accurate as all this is, what makes MJ was the Goat is his Impact in the Game..MJ Literally saved the NBA itself and made it Global. People who didn't know the first thing about basketball, or people who didn't even like the NBA at all tuned in Night after night to see what MJ would do next. People who didn't even Understand The game didn't care, they Just wanted to watch MJ Fly, or do some crazy athletic move. You have your Mt Rushmore but all those on that mtn are all eyes to the skies watching MJ Fly over them...
Also one more reason....Nobody wearing LBJ's they still wearing Jordan's...
Jordan did make the NBA global but it was Magic and Bird who saved the game.
Harlem globetrotters made it global Magic and Bird rivalry saved the NBA. Jordan's shoes saved Nike.
@@AFR0MAMBA Magic and Bird kept it going MJ saved it without the popularity and peeps he brought NBA was dead a sinking ship
@@darrallshamarwilliams7560 Nah Harlem Globs did no such thing (and ive seen them live). Bird/magic kept the NBA floating but MJ without the millions of new fans he brought and global for real NBA was dead
@@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester Watch their documentary and open your mind of history. So f'n what, I've seen them live too..overseas! The NBA never traveled around the world except for Olympic games but The Globetrotters did. I'm Talking about them introducing basketball to the world.
I miss watching MJ play … he was magical every game !! BLACK JESUS! 💔
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I'm gonna tune in some more. You guys are great content creators. I hope this is rewarding for ya!
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27:20 I’m an 80s baby (who saw MIKE AND JANET LIVE), so you can miss me with the LeBron cartoon. Never seeing Jordan in action hurts. Never seeing LeBron is something I’ve never thought of♥️♥️
If longevity means slacking in tons of games so you don't tire yourself out, then means nothing. But if you give it your all Everytime your out there and you got a long career says something
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I'm having chills the time i read "you give it your all everytime your out there" 🤣
All that slacking and still could barely play an entire season ...
If you really want to count how many times Michael Jordan was in the finals count everything including his NCAA championship, his two Olympics Gold Medals, and his two Threepeats in the NBA finals, with six 6 scoring titles, 6 all first team on defense, and mvp, finals mvp, and all-star mvp, in the same year. Name a better player, their isn't any better than Michael Jordan. Greatest of all times.
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@Hershel Pogue. Have u ever seen Larry Bird play?
Don’t leave out he would have went to 8 finals if he didn’t retire and at worst would have been 6-2
@@MINK2393 That's an assumptions of the facts. He was the first to threepeat, and he did it twice in the modern era undefeated, for a grand total of 9 an 0 not 8 2 like your fantasy. Here is Lebron during his first Olympic run he gets the Bronze medal, Then Kobe Bryant joins him in the next two an both are gold, 4 wins in the finals with 6 losses. You do the math.
Doesn't LeBron have a bronze medal? That's a joke.
I have no clue why this is a debate. Bron is not a top 5 player.
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Barely top 10
Lorenzo Crittenden facts.
IMO he is 5 and barily above majic but I also have the bias of never being able to watch alot of the greats. most of the players in my top 10 list i've never watched so they might be disrespected my top 10 is:
10: steph
9: The dream
8: duncan
7: bird
6: majic
5: bron
4: Kobe
3: kareem
2: wilt
1: MJ
Mind you I started actualy watching and paying attention to the NBA around 2015-2016
Jordan became the global NBA franchise that got the worlds attention look at the olympic dream team and its influence of people's knowledge of him. Plus he changed the face of company endorsements which led to other atheletes getting more endorsements but Jordan shoes are still top recognizable sellers around the world.
Brother is 100% correct.
There is no comparison.
Jordan, Magic, Bird are the three greatest and most important players in sports history.
And I'm not even a basketball guy... I'm a hockey guy.
In 1994 Jordan played in the MLB and play 127 games. Out of his element but still showed skill in the sport of baseball. 127 games is a lot of games. So that should go towards his longevity. Jordan also had 3 homeruns. LeBron has 0 homeruns. LeBron will never most likely ever play in pro Baseball. Jordan also stole bases, and worked on his batting avg and improved.
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He actually played MiLB (minor league baseball).
MJ was on a whole other level of greatness, he was getting beat up every time he drove to the basket, but that only made him drive to it more, incredible.
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Jordan won in Accomplishments, Winning, Statistics, and Eye Test. Each of these categories insinuates that he's the better player. All of those categories point towards skill.
Lebron won in Longevity, which doesn't insinuate the better player. It just says that he played for a longer time. It has nothing at all to do with skill.
Lebron could win in Longevity cause basketball soft as fuck now .
@@angelsden Very true. Soft game. If Jordan played by today's rules, his stats would be higher and he would've played longer. Maybe 20 years like Kobe.
As far as longevity. Jordan played 3 years in college. Lebron came straight out of high school. So that’s 3 extra years for Lebron, Jordan retired for almost 2 years. He came back with with 17 games left in the season so it can be counted as 5 years. Then when Bulls management decided to dismantle the Bulls, after they won the championship which is insane, Jordan retired again for 3 more years. Jordan had 1 serious injury in his 2nd year and then in his 1st season with the Wizards he was playing at a very high level and had the Wizards on pace for the playoffs until a teammate accidentally ran into his knee. That was the only 2 times Jordan got injured. The last one was a freak accident and the 1st one probably wouldn’t have happened with todays sneakers. Jordan also changed his body to a baseball body by putting on muscle while he was in his 30s. Jordan came back at age 32 and got back into basketball shape and played all 82 games in his 2nd 3-peat with the Bulls. Do durability I put both of them equal. Jordan was actually more durable during the season because he played all 82 games 9 times. Also Jordan played hard on both sides of the ball the entire game. So I give durability edge to Jordan. Longevity goes to Lebron but only because Jordan spent 3 years in college and was retired 5 years in between comebacks. So that’s 8 years of stats Lebron will have on Jordan.
Jordan 3 peated twice and no team has 3 peated since the Celtics in the 60s. That’s how hard a 3 peat is and to do it and take off 2 years and come back at age 32 and do it again is just ridiculous. Jordan found a way to win when his team was capable of winning. Their were Lebron teams that should of won but didn’t.
Jordan is the 🐐
MJ played in a far more physical era putting more wear and tear on his body...Lebron has the advantage in terms of modern technology .. ..load management etc and Lebron is playing in a more offensive .. less physical oriented NBA making it possible to play far more seasons...MJ has the better quality in seasons versus Lebrons quantity of seasons
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It's amazing how so many people want to ignore Lebron's effort on defense. This isn't football. Basketball players need to put in the work on both ends of the court and MJ was consistently one of the best two-way players. Legit if it wasn't age or injury MJ was that guy. Additionally as the video says MJ was consistently putting in the effort. There are literally years were it was clear Lebron decided he wasn't going to put in the effort on defense. Even his most hardcore fans can't deny it. I can't get behind that. Legit how can Lebron be upset when his team loses a game by a point or two when he was standing on the other side of the court watching his team play 4 v 5 on defense? The bulls may have lost the game but how many times did anyone ever question MJs effort to win it?
Also as for the clutch point I can already hear the tried and true Lebron excuse. "Well he's made more than Jordan!" And they hope no body thinks any harder past that statement. What they ignore is 1) Lebron, having played a lot more games than MJ, has had more opportunities to try and make those shots and 2) it's not how many you make but how likely you are to make them. Question? Who is the more clutch player between the two? Player A who made 25 game winning or tying shots out of 50 or player B who made 28 out of 90? Player A is the more clutch player because statistically he has a higher percentage of making it. LBJ fans would say player B because he made more overall even if he has a much higher chance to miss.
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Gonna cry lol
@@leonard9624 lol what do I have to cry about? No I'll leave the crying to the LBJ fans who get all upset when another poll, player, coach, website, analyst, etc, put Jordan on top again like they keep doing.
@@tmoney360 yeah what i mean james fans gonna cry. Was sleepy when i typed that earlier
@@leonard9624 oh. Gotcha lol.
There was an interview with NBA players and one of them actually said after he retired the first time, he actually said about it... Phew thank God we have a chance to win one now
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Bro getting being a dominant player confused with being a dominant winner. In the 80s he was a kid put on the worst team against some of the best teams not of that era but of all times. Once he got one more hall of famer play with him he became unstoppable, unbeatable.
Glad too see you've watched this. I grew up in the Jordan era and still loved Dominique Wilkins and Spud Webb and Hawks are still my team. But watching Jordan was great by itself.
I still have Larry Bird is the greatest forward ever I would pick Larry Bird over LeBron any day of the week
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@@kingshottah4429 because he was better? Prime bird, much like Jordan, was an absolutely relentless assassin.
MJ, Bird and Magic.
Put them in whatever order you want, I don't care. To me they're the best players ever.
Kareem gets an honorable mention, if there was 4 slots on my list he'd be in there as well.
@@F1rstWorldNomaD you put those three at their best on one team and the other players almost wouldn’t matter.
@@F1rstWorldNomaD man I'm from the Chicago area and I keep Jordan at 3, he was a consistent ball hog. Bird and Magic are interchangable at 1 and 2.
Lebron James is a pebble in Michael Jordan's shoe!!! M,J, is Undeniably the GOAT!!!! An INCREDIBLE PATRIOT!!!!🇺🇲 Long live AIR JORDAN!!!!
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Modern players today have much more advantage in longevity than players back in the 80s and 90s. Nutrition science has advanced, new technology that helps rejuvenate your body and assists with recovery, load management, and modern NBA rules (less physical, takes less toll on body).
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Here’s the deal. Anything you say Jordan wasn’t the best at, you know in your heart that if he decided to put in the work, he’d become the best at it in an offseason. Only player ever even remotely close to that was Kobe. James could dominate a few categories, if he hyper focused, but would be limited in which categories he could truly thrive in.
Well, put, sir. Jordan had the power of self-hypnosis. He could literally will himself into thinking that he was playing for his life. That is why he was nearly impossible to stop. And they bring up the Pistons and Celtics. Those guys were the ones most scared of him because they could see that he nearly beat them singlehandedly.
@@johnjones528 Ummm... Check out Michael's record against the Celtics -- 1984-1991.
Think you are high lol.
I would like to see that same comparison, but jordan vs kobe and maybe vs wilt and kareem
I was born in 1980 and I'm from Detroit. It's not even a comparison! LBJ needs to be compared to Magic due to ball dominance..
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In my opinion the 1 thing that had never been mentioned between the 2 is loyalty.if you pay attention to the intro you'll notice Jordan was only wearing only 1 jersey while LeBron was wearing multiple. Now to me that speaks extreme volumes for Jordan.
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and the fact the Lakers are pretty much a joke from the highly regarded Kobe / Shaq / M.Johnson / Kareem days
For brothers, you two are the coolest. I love how this video shows a very clear winner and you still take it SO well. Well done to you both, and thanks for the share.
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@@dunsonhouse It's true. You guys are great.
Yeah the part in the video where you said y’all see it for yourself and your brother said that’s lazy. It’s honestly not laziness, it’s a mentality issue and why he isn’t up there bc he’s it even top mentality. It shows heavily throughout his career and why he never won more. When shit hits the fans and hard times happen he literally flops or folds.
I agree, there is no comparison at all. I grew up watching Jordan even when he came back a second time as a Wizard and he was still being Jordan!
Nooo comparison!! I agree!! What’s your name ? With the tats ? I agree . Thanks for being a realist ! Your brother is seeing the factual light . You guys are Great 🤣✔️✔️✔️
Kudos to your brother for accepting the huge argument for Jordan. Some people will stubbornly keep with their beliefs regardless of the strength of the evidence against them. From people who watched Jordan and Lebraon, you're right, there is no question who the GOAT is. And this is from a fan who HATED Jordan when he played. But fans of all of Jordan's contemporaries will accept the fact that Jordan was better than their favorite player, because it was that inescapable. I myself am a Larry Bird fan. Bird may have been able to be mentioned in the same breath as MJ, but his injuries left him with way fewer seasons at his peak unfortunately.
One thing that was missed in the video, though it did mention that Jordan's legacy included blasting the NBA into the stratosphere of popularity worldwide. It is that Lebron James the last couple of years, through the injection of divisive racial politics and kowtowing to China has lost a lot of people's respect, and it is no small part because of that attitude that the NBA has seen some of its lowest ratings.
True. In Jordans second season he comes back after a season ending injury when Chicago's upper management wanted to tank for a better deal pick. They get into the playoffs with one of the worst records in NBA playoff history to meet your Last Bird and arguably the greatest ever team until that point. Jordan plays two of the greatest ever playoff games with basically zero help and almost wins two games against that team a fifty plus game and a record 63 points. The interviews with Prime Bird after those games are just disbelief at how much better Jordan is than everybody. "God disguised as Michael Jordan." The main reason Bird and Magic are not considered GOAT candidates is they were clearly not Jordan. I feel sorry for them, especially Bird because he had a case for GOAT until That series.
Now as we look back, people use that series as a reason Jordan cannot be GOAT. ????? What the???? Getting swept by Bird's Celtics is one of Jordans strongest arguments for GOAT. He was other worldly in those games.
I was with you up until the racially divisive comment. If we were to use the President of the United States as the barometer. LeBron James is way less racially divisive than the previous president of the United States was. We live in a racially divided country, shedding light on that isn’t a bad thing. Unless of course, you are one of those people who want to sweep that sort of thing under the rug because it doesn’t benefit you and people who look in think like you.
@@kvocal Don't believe everything the media tells you. Research for yourself and find raw video footage. People in power want us all to hate each other and they manipulate all of us.
@@ridemywheelie You shouldn’t believe everything that any body says. But I guess if you’re going for captain obvious you win.
@@kvocal There's a way to bring up inequity that is constructive. My opinion is that all Lebron did was throw gasoline on the racial divide, and at the same time, in the most cowardly way possible, not only didn't criticize China's horrible ethnic cleansing policies, but tried to shut down the speech of everyone else who spoke up. While we could agree to disagree on Lebron's effect on the domestic racial divide, I don't know many people who are disappointed in Lebron's kowtowing to China. It was so open and disgusting that all people had to have to be bothered by it is a conscience. Because all of the NBA's leadership did the same thing, it caused a lot of decent people to abandon watching the NBA.
great reaction video , MJ is the GOAT , we won't see another one like him maybe in the next 50 years
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Kobe is the closest that we’ve seen. I believe if MJ never existed Kobe would be the GOAT hands down.
Charles Barkley once said that if Jordan played in LeBron Era, he would have scored averaged 60 per game. Also, if that was the case, how would LeBrons longevity have been after being beaten up on a nightly basis?
When it takes 1 person 13 seasons to set all these goals and the other person still hasn't caught the other person in these goals in 21 seasons, there's no debate
I personally think, the big difference was the different era that Jordan played in compared to LeBron. The pistons actually dedicated a season to take out Jordan. Each games focus was to hurt jordan. That era was tough to play in. Players today couldn't hang in all that. Period.
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No players today would have the same mentality as that era because the way they are raised and the trash talk if a modern player comes into the era of mj or magic and bird they would have the mindset because that’s the way they had to play in that era
Good point on longevity..... to add to that back in the 80s and 90s it was waaaay more physical and prone to getting hurt compared to now far less physical.
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*JORDAN DOMINATED EVERY PLAYER BEFORE HE WON THE FIRST TITLE AND THEN AFTER TASTING THE CHAMPIONSHIP, NO ONE COULD WIN WITH HIM IN THE LEAGUE, LEBRON JAMES HAS NOT DOMINATED THIS LEAGUE BECAUSE STEPH, TIM DUNCAN AND DIRK NOWITZKI HAVE TAKEN 6 TITLES FROM LEBRON, MICHAEL JORDAN THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME*
Its so funny you mentioned Reggie. When Mike was considering coming out of retirement, it was Reggie Miller that went and got him and helped him get back in playing shape.
rooting for the Jazz during their prime facing the bulls. Jordan and co were like an immovable brick wall. those were heartbreaking years.
The utah vs bulls championship was iconic. For me it is definitely one of the best Championship series. Watching the game is like a roller coaster. Both teams beat the hell out of each other. Bulls may have won both series but i can say that it wasnt a walk in the park. 💯
The contact in Jordan’s era would have had Lebron crying
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His flopping highlights count would explode
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I think the people discussing the GOAT especially in this generation , when it comes to Lebron, need to forget about it . What they need to look at is WHO is #2 . The top spot is taken and probably never will be replaced .....EVER.... Kobe, Bird and a few others need to be brought into the conversation of #2. Jordan didnt need pippen, that is all he had until rodman came in and he still won a 3 peat without rodman. Great video as always
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The truth got you a subscriber. Keep telling the truth. And my favorite player that got me to watch was Dr.J.
Saw Dr. J when I was a teenager when he was on the Va Squires. Charlie Scott and George Gervin were also on that team. He didn't hit a jump shot the whole game. Scored 42 pts! All I could say is "WOW!"
The Doc was also my favorite player, he's someone that MJ idolized & emulated to a degree.
Since the beginning of the MJ - LeBron "Debate", I've always laughed. I grew up actually watching those MJ games on T.V.. No one will hit those same stats in that amount of time and have that kind of impact on the ENTIRE sport again.
I really love the conversation,,, no question! MJ
U are Hella correct!! MJ took away alot of Great players dreams . Imagine how pissed the players were inside when MJreturned . I watched it all . MJ was the greatest player in the league his rookie yr . Klay is back in Jan/Feb . Warriors are gonna Bron really sad this season once again .
I feel bad for Reggie. Reggie be like, no more MJ. The championship is as good ours. Then hrre comes Kobe with MJ style. 😅😅😅
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And to think, Jordan was actually cut from his high school team. Rather than whine and cry about it he vowed to get better and improve every aspect of his game. That's another thing Jordan had in abundance, mental toughness, and if you have that nothing can hold you back because you'll never let anyone define who you are or what you can achieve.
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Here's another thing to think of Kareem 38,000 points #1 played 20 seasons L.James 35,000 points #3 played 18 seasons K.Bryant 33,000 points #4 played 19 seasons NOW CHECK THIS OUT M.JORDAN 32,000 POINTS 13 FULL SEASONS THINK ABOUT THAT. GAOT!!!!!!
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That just says he shot the ball alot, that's all he wanted to do was shoot.
Why not, if he was good at it.... And he was
Michael Jordan was always the best player on the court, there was never any question.
MJ GREATEST OF ALL TIME!🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀100%
Yo, let lil bro know that out of all the all-stars gsmes played, MJ is the only player to get a triple-double.. like you said, no comparison..
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Hell, he ain't better than Kobe let alone Jordan????????????? Come on man. 🤣
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Kobe is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. He's the worst kind of player. A ball hog. I hate playing with ball Hogs because they kill the chemistry of the team
@@lawpenner Well, I have to admit he was a ball hog, but in terms of his skills, I think he was waaaaay more talented.
@@warrenbfeagins I agree that Kobe is one of the most skilled basketball players the league has ever seen. Part of what made Jordan more effective than Kobe is that Jordan was more athletic.
Kobe was an incredible 3-point shooter but he drove me crazy with how many shots he forced. Which hurt his efficiency.
There's nothing that drive teammates more crazy than someone forcing bad shots when they're already taking 25 field-goal attempts per game.
If Kobe had more discipline in his shot selection and worked harder to include his teammates, I may have been less annoyed watching him. I always got the impression it was Kobe first, team second.
If I had to build a team I would not have Kobe in my top 10. Heck, I would rather take Reggie Miller as a shooting guard who had half as many turnovers, and shot more efficiently from the field, free throw line and three-point territory. While still scoring 20 pts per game.
I also view Dwyane Wade as a better 2 guard in his prime than Kobe. Just tragic that D-Wade had knee injury issues that stunted the latter half of his career
@@lawpenner You know....I can't argue against you man. Lol!!
I would even say LeBron was better at assists...because, being such a low percentage shooter outside of 3 ft... he didn't have confidence in his shooting, so he passed it off to someone else to avoid dropping his shooting percentage even lower.
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FACTS!
As a kid I loved Jordan but ended up getting tired of seeing him win so much in the end. I would just walk away from the TV knowing the result that was about to happen. That feeling was never there with Lebron. Also people forget but Jordan was already considered the GOAT after the first 3-peat. You had to be there my people.
Longevity is definitely a factor but not a huge one if both players last beyond 10 or so years. I think 10 years is the cut off to be considered in an all time great conversation.
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Remember Jordan played in college Plus he played a year in baseball too and came back and won 3 more titles 👍
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