yep, ive said that previously, glad you pointed it out. Difference between them? Jordan was subtle doing to Red " johnny" Kerr and they would play jokes back and forth. Lebron? Walks up, makes sure everyone is looking. Making sure the cameras are out recording. Gets the chalk, doesn't even look at the scorers table because he could care less about them. THen he throws it up really high and holds his arms open for the shot and then goes to center court. The " look at me and post" generation.
@purplehayes3965sure, he may have stolen those from Dr. J, but at least those practical skills rather than a walkup spectacle with no real effect on the game or the level of the players' ability to play.
@@POVJAKELiveimpressive is a fair description but you know it falls way short when it comes to over 600 games without losing three straight games. It’s out of this world impressive. We would say it were impossible if it hadn’t been done.
In one way or another, the Detroit Pistons and the Knicks are two fundamental pieces in Jordan's sporting life. We must remember that a winner is as good as his rivals force him to be. If the rivals are weak, the winner does not grow. If the rivals are good, the winner must strive harder to obtain victory... Facing the Pistons and the Knicks every year undoubtedly made him stronger... the duels with John Starks and that mountain of muscles that was Xavier McDaniel were legendary.
@@WALKINGPHONE I'm glad you said that. Jordan was forged by fire. The Pistons and Knicks were fundamental to MJ's story. The Pistons were the reason MJ and the Bulls became unstoppable. MJ/Bulls took those "Ls" early, in his career to them and eventually, took the mantle, once they learned how to overcome the Piston's hyper-aggressive, playstyle. The Knicks were that team that made sure the Bulls didn't get too, comfortable being on top. It was teams like those, that helped build MJ and The Bull's legacy.
In an interview with MJ that aired prior to the ‘92 Finals against the Blazers, MJ stated that he chose not to shoot 3-pointers because it took away from his overall game…and said that he didn’t want to hang around the 3-point line waiting for someone to pass him the ball because he preferred to drive to the basket and draw the defenders into committing a foul so that he could shoot the easy free throw, and if he couldn’t drive to the basket, he preferred to shoot his jump shot if necessary…he was a unique specimen of an athlete.👽😉👍🔥
Yep, the "shrug game" 1 when he scored 35 points in the first half which is still an NBA finals game record (and something very few mention is he actually played only half of the second quarter so actually it is 35 points in a quarter and a half) including 6 of 8 threes (ended up with 6 of 9) . One of the best performances of his career and one of the biggest blowouts in NBA's finals history! When it comes to MJ's performance in the finals there is so much to talk, would be nice if someone makes a video on that. Every Lebron fan should watch it and learn...
That was stated here. I think that was one of the points to FINISH NAILING BRON’s COFFIN @ the end, MJ never losing too much CONSECUTIVELY (like being 4x6)
@@zakkg5497 What's more impressive on that "Shrug" is that it's like a stunt he pulled just to prove people wrong and he did it on the finals where if he messed up it can cost them the championship, and there's a lot of pressure compared to a regular season game. Well he made it. He shrugged it off. That's mike. The GOAT. if you mock his game during his time he'll prove you wrong. In a humiliating way. Bet these woke fans don't even know a story of him during the olympics where he guarded an opponent the whole game like it's the NBA Finals. Btw the guy said something about him on the newspaper and mike didn't liked it so he did that.
Appreciate your honest response and taking our advice on this video. I was blessed to see Magic, Kareem and Bird play, i saw MJ and then Kobe and Lebron. True honestly, there was nobody like MJ. The arena, the energy and intense energy and you knew and were waiting for something special. Remember a big fact. Jordan did the bulk of his stats over only ELEVEN YEARS. Let that sink in. One year, out with a broken foot, came back played only 17 games. Another year came back late from baseball only played 24 games. Those are two dead seasons for stats period. SO that leaves then when he came back hurt to play for the wizards at 39 and 40. That is why , his numbers are insaneeeeeeeeeee. Lets be honest, we all know why he got the longevity like many other players in this "softer rules" generation of basketball. Jordan wasn't injured during his years. Durable as all heck and started the whole training for fitness and strength in the nba with trainer Tim Grover (day Jordan retired Kobe called him and hired him) Jordan took care of himself and played all 82 games in 10 seasons. Lebron? He has done it 1 time and just tried to do it NOW and failed . Jordan played all 82 games his last year with the wizards, at 40. This generation of athletes are soft. They made their millions before even stepping on the court. No incentive at all to win. It's a buddy, buddy league, take the three pointer, do the dribble 20 times, one on one and little defense, traveling is almost never called and what an assist is considered now was NEVER an assist in all previous generations of basketball. Now we hear about the whole "workload management" crap LMAOOOO, Seriously? The 90's players didn't need that plus this generation being paid $20-$30-$40million per YEAR. Get their butts on the court. They lazy . Lebron gets a hangnail , needs to sit out for a week. Other players taking weeks off at a time. Lebron half the time doesn't run back on defense as you saw in the video and stilllll doing that current day. Talk about longevity. Anyone in this generation is going to be able to last 20+ seasons with that type of work ethic or lack thereof. Guess when lebron was last on the " All defensive team" ? 2013 and it was for 2nd team all defensive team. Jordan? His last year with the bulls in 98 when he retired at 35 , made all defensive 1st team LOL. It's why i said you had to watch this video and you said it, " it put it into perspective". Im sorry but Lebron is a player during the "internet/social media generation. Hype hype hype hype hype and PAID media to push the Lebron narrative. From ESPN to Klutch sports we have seen and heard the money and people being paid to hype him. There is no questions its been exposed. Honestly for me, i have him in top 10 but not top 5. About the total points record? Just about any scorer playing 22 season will do that. Karl Malone scored more than jordan so did Kobe all time but they played many more season than jordan. Why isn't Karl Malone in the discussion. I'll tell you why, MICHAEL JORDAN. Remember i mentioned Jordan's 11 seasons where the bulk of stats were done? It took lebron and kobe to their 17th SEASONS to pass jordan in all time scoring. So the all time scorer it total points doesn't hold a massive amount of weight when discussing the GOAT. It's all about getting FACTS and putting things into PERSPECTIVE. Look forward to your future videos.
I feel guilty that I was able to watch the NBA since 1971 all the way to now. There have been many greats during this time, but the greatest I have seen in all of that time was MJ. He wasn't my favorite player as I was a Laker fan but definitely the goat. The greatest athlete/player of any team sport, I believe. Thanks for the reaction ✌️
I appreciate when someone looks at everything and admits when they're wrong .. props to you. I wish you would have seen him play.. the eye test would have let you know if you seen him live
"The eye test" just means he had a pretty jump shot and we like the way he moves on the court. As an all around player lebron is better. He's a more efficient scorer, higher basketball IQ and just more complete.
Were does everyone get this narrative that lebron james has a higher basketball iq? If that were true, I'm pretty sure he would have had more championships than 4. Especially with all the top 50 players and HOF players he's played with.. If his IQ was higher than jordan, then why did jordan have a better work ethic and practice harder and played harder both on offense and defense to show his teammates by example and push them to make them better players..wouldn't a higher basketball IQ know this? how can his IQ be so high if takes time off on Defense to rest. Especially in his last few years when he's been a defensive liability at times. Wouldn't a higher basketball IQ know relaxing on Defense hurts your team by allowing easier baskets for the other team? They say he makes his teammates better but if that's true, why do most players who play with him average way less points in their careers when they played with him, compared to when they played on other teams? I just don't get it. He's an amazing player. Top 5 overall, but too many false narratives. I guess what makes his basketball IQ pretty high is he knows how to flop so well to get lots of foul calls
@GilbertoGonzalez-e4y you have a very ignorant and somewhat less than basic understanding of basketball. The "narrative" of a high basketball IQ came from his fellow basketball players, coaches, basketball analysts, both opposing as well as teammates. Even skip bayless, an even bigger Lebron hater than you says his basketball iq is off the charts, and also calls him one of the best passers he's ever seen. I think ill believe them over some random guy on the internenet who doesnt really know what hes talking about. He makes the right plays, all the time. That doesn't mean taking 30+ shots a game because you are trying to average 40 points a game, but rather trying to get your teammates involved. He hasn't won more than 4 rings because basketball is a team sport... it takes more than just 1 or 2 or even 3 super stars or really good players to win. It takes depth, which he's rarely had on any of his teams, it takes great coaching, which he's only on a few occasions had, spoelstra was probably the only very great coach he's had, it takes chemistry and it takes a little bit of luck - like your teammates not getting injured. If kyrie and love aren't hurt in 2015 he'd most likely at least one more. If warriors don't create one of the greatest superteams ever, maybe he has one or two more. If lakers front office don't dismantle that championship team it's possible they could have one another the following year. And you act like 4 rings isn't a lot.... only one player has more finals mvps than Lebron. No one has ever won a finals mvp with 3 different teams, that's not easy to do, I it were more people would have done it. Lebron had the misfortune of being drafted by an incredibly incompetent front office that did nothing to put a good team around him. NO ONE in the history of the game would have carried that 07 cavs team to the finals which is widely regarded as one of the worst ever. And then he had to play against the legendary spurs team, coached by at least the 2nd greatest coach ever (phil being the first). Lebron has made the most of what has been a fairly unlucky career. And I'm honestly sick of the ignorant narratives that people created around him.
that's just on stats. but if you had to add the human factor, like the passion for the game, respect for the game, professionalism, competitiveness, dedication, sportsmanship, leadership, fear it brings to his opponent, the excitement he brought to the game, the shot creativity, the difference is even more glaring
Lebron has air balled from the free throw line 9 times in his career.. that, plus load management and taking vacation days on the defensive end, is what kills it for me.
In the game against the Cavaliers when MJ dropped 69 points and 18 rebounds, MJ made 2 of 2 three point shots the entire game…he didn’t need the 3-point shot to drop major buckets on the 5th best defense in the NBA back then…and he didn’t need it against the Legendary ‘86 Celtics when he dropped 49 points and then 63 points in the first 2 games of the playoffs after rehabbing his broken foot that season…he’s mythical.🦄
@sportstalkonly1442 lmao the point being is he didn't need a 3 to have the highest average points per game or score more than 3000 points in a season that no one else has done or ten scoring titles....I'm not sure what you're point is because he had an off game 😂😂😂 better luck next time bub
@@MakaveliCVW He doesn't have a point, @sportstalkonly1442 never does. He lurks around Jordan comment sections, regurgitating false narratives and cherry picking stats whilst omitting crucial CONTEXT... Jordan's FULL stat line from that Game 3 VS Boston was... - 19 Points - 10 Rebounds - 9 Assists - 2 Steals - 1 Block - FG% 44.4 Anyone who watched the 3rd game of that series knows that the Celtics SMOTHERED Jordan defensively, they double teamed him consistently throughout that entire game, yet he still produced the stat line above. His overall stats for that Playoff Series VS Boston... - 43.7 Points - 6.3 Rebounds - 5.7 Assists - 2.3 Steals - 1.3 Blocks - FG% 50.5 Not bad for a 2nd Year player coming off a broken foot, with Orlando Woolridge as the Bulls 2nd best player.
On some real shit lebron never surpassed Kobe… lebrons a great but way too overhyped… Kobe and MJ were them dudes you don’t wanna see in most situations 💯
Please react to the 1992 Dream Team Documentary! You will enjoy it and see and hear from other Greats/Hall of Fame players about what THEY experienced with Jordan.
You should watch Magic and Bird courtship of rivals before this one. You should totally see them both, but the magic and bird documentary should be first.
Bill Russell is always in the Top 5 of Big Men. For me it’s not about being physically dominant, but about skill level and unique abilities. Russell in any era is a defensive Monster and would adapt to the talent level of the game. Hakeem “The Dream” is the most talented Center I’ve ever seen. He’s second best after MJ in all around elite status.
@@POVJAKELiveyes over shaq,Kareem never got swept 6x like shaq,Kareem hook shot was unblockable and he could pull it off any time,remember Hakeem schooled shaq in the finals in 94 with ease so yea Kareem is better than shaq by far
@@POVJAKELive shaq has said himself that dream was the better big man compared to him. even though he has more rings, shaq always said that hakeem was on another level.
Ive been saying for many years that LeBron fans actually do a disservice to LeBron by constantly trying to compare him to MJ. Some of the things MJ did are basically untouchable. I blame the sports media for gaslighting so many people. You can't fully hate on them for hyping LeBron so much. They have to sell the product and they will say whatever they have to whether it's true or not.
I watched in Jordan’s era, and there were great players at every position, some of the best centers ever, best power forwards, shooting guards and point guards, if there was a position that lacked talent overall in that era it might have been the small forward. Even then, there was some great ones.
A lot of people forget or don't know that jordan retired twice as the best player in the game. He retired in 94, and for 75% of the 95 season. Then he retired again as the best player in 1998. If jordan doesn't retire at minimum he gets another 1-2 rings, 1-2 finals mvps, another three 1st all defensive teams selections, which puts him 3 past everyone else, another 2-3 scoring titles, another 12k points, another 1-2 season mvps. So if he doesn't retire twice in my opinion he finishes with at least 7 season mvps, at least 8 rings, 8 finals mvps, 44k points, 12 1st all defensive selections, 13 scoring titles which he already owns the record of 10. Finishes 2nd in total steals.
Bill's not in the conversation for the same reason LeBron should never have been.... When you see "MJ" it looks "MAGICAL" or "OTHERWORLDLY".....Some people can practice or work on their game to be "Great" but there are others that are ...."GIFTED" and that's "MJ".
I’m not a troll but watching LeBron fans watch this video is my favorite thing to watch on the internet. I’ve probably watched 40 LeBron fan react atleast.. but I have to say this has been my favorite. You’ve been the only reactor watching with an open mind. You’re a true student of the game.
All of these LeBron vs Jordan videos are in super slow-mo. If you watch Jordan highlights in real time vs Lebron's is clear that Jordan from the eye test is the better player.
As someone who watched both careers and is staunchly on the side of Jordan is the GOAT (and to me, it isn't particularly close) I can't blame younger bucks who never saw Jordan but grew up in the LeBron era thinking that LeBron is HIM. I get it. It's not your fault. You had to be there for both to have the unique perspective. Even as amazing as that "Jordan Legendary Bulls Mixtape" video is, it doesn't do it justice. LeBron is without a doubt a King. But Jordan is a basketball God. It's that simple. Why be a King, when you can be a God?
Being from the chi you obviously have a bias. That being said MJ is the best basketball player i have ever seen and he isn't my favorite player, that's Tim Duncan
The end when you are struggling with having to admit Jordan was the GOAT had me laughing, it was like “should I admit water is wet? I mean I was just drenched in water and it is gonna take a long time for me to dry off…but is water really wet?! I still don’t know…. Ok water is wet.”
I wouldnt pick Lebron over MJ, Larry, Magic, or Kareem.. Maybe not even Kobe.. he got some really ugly warts on his resume despite all that greatness. double sided coin.
@@sportstalkonly1442 not AS many warts as Lebron tho.. he AIR BALLS FREE THROWS.. at least 9 times in his career. Bird, Jordan, NEVER did that.. their low lights are VERY FEW.. Lebron has TOO MANY LOW LIGHTS..
15:15 Because when Bill Russel won 11 chips, most of those years there were only 10-12 teams in the league and 8 of them made the playoffs, and he had a first round bye in most of those. He had to play like 8 games to win a ring, while the modern NBA has to play like 20 games. That's the difference. It's a lot harder to win a chip now. Russel had to play 7 teams, Lebron and Jordan had to play 28 teams. Russel had 2 rounds of playoffs, Lebron and Jordan had 4.
Bill Russell's teams were stacked. Those Celtics had more elite players than several other of teams from that era, combined. There were only a couple of rounds of playoffs and only 8-14 teams in the whole league!
Just look how many times in those chips did bill Russell win the MVP for the season and for the finals and you’ll see he was a great part of those teams but he wasn’t always the best player but in MJ ‘s case there is no doubt he wasn’t always the best player not just on his team but in the league
Man, it was never about winning against you. We just wanted you to know the truth about the whole situation. But, because you showed maturity in seeing the facts and not denying it (like FemitoDrippy), and because you accepted the truth like a man, you not only earned my respect by also my subscribing to your channel. It's ok to still have LeBron as your favorite player. No shame in that. He's just not the GOAT. Well done, sir. Great reaction and I'll be checking your vids from now on. Keep it up!
Why is it that LBJ fans know so little about sports history let alone basketball history? Walter Payton was one of the greatest running backs in NFL history...
Oh Jordan is better than young or LeBron but if they would show young Jordan, it is over there’s not even a conversation which there shouldn’t be anyways, because LeBron does not compare to Jordan in any way shape or form
One thing that gets overlooked when the video goes into stats is the attempts. For instance when he says MJ led league in Win shares 8 times he’s not mentioning it was 8 times out of 13 seasons. While Lebron at that point in his career he only led the league in win shares 5 out of 17 times. That is a huge gap.
Penny was the first combination of MJ and Magic with finishing power like Dominique. Penny was my 2nd favorite player after MJ. Then LeBron was that similar combo, and Penny was his favorite also. Bron should’ve avoided the 23 hype and aimed for the Magic Johnson comparison.
I feel like one of the luckiest basketball fans ever. I was one of those kids that watched every Jordan game on TV. I was able to watch the greatest in REAL TIME!!! When he hit that buzzer beater and did the iconic jump fist pump.... I did it with him.... only I was in my living room watching on my 19" brick of a TV. Jordan was such a huge part of my life. (as well as many others) To this day he still makes me proud to be a fan of #23. 🐐🐐🐐
Jordan never saw a three point line until he got to the nba. It wasn't put in college until 87. And a large portion of the threes he took were buzzer beaters from wherever he was on the court. He shot threes for one half of one game. Game 1 of the 92 finals. He finished that half with 35 points on 6-8 from 3.
If longevity was so important, Kareen should have been the goat all this time, not MJ. They praise longevity a lot these days just to try to convince people that LeBron is the goat, because that's the only thing he has. In everything else, it's MJ all day long. When they say LeBron has the stats, they're talking about absolute stats. But when you break it down to per-game stats, LeBron fals behind, as you can see.
Toss up with the chalk is LAME LBJ stole that from MJs pregame ritual and just spammed and fan girled it by making it extra metro with throwing it in the air smh. Legendary not at all just a poser doing poser things as lbj always does.
Respect to you for being not throwing your self-respect away to defend a man against facts. Many Bron fans who watch this cannot do the same and they spend the whole video almost in tears over their guy getting shown up
As an oldass Bulls fan, it was FUCKING GLORIOUS!!! I hope everyone can experience an era in ANYTHING that brings people together the way MJ and Pippen did for us. Dem was the fucking Dayz.
Look at it this way: if they were to face each other in a one-on-one game... Jordan has the defensive ability to dissect Lebron's offense... on the contrary, Lebron's gruyere cheese defense is not enough to stop MJ's offensive abilities... how do you stop someone who was the best offensive player for 10 straight seasons and the best defensive player for one season (a season in which he scored 35.1 ppg, one of the highest average in history) and every year was on the league's elite defensive team... there is simply no way Lebron could beat him Now, the facts and statistics say that MJ is the greatest... that is not up for discussion for those of us who saw him play and have seen Lebron (after watching MJ break the laws of gravity every night we were never impressed by Lebron) but I come back to the point... the statistics and the facts are there, but you only saw Lebron play and it is perfectly understandable that he is the player you like and that is fine... especially now that you know the difference between being the best player on the planet (LJ) and being the greatest in all of history... and rings don't always reveal something, Robert Horry has 7 rings, and that doesn't make him greater than Lebron and much less than Jordan. MJ is considered the best, because he basically won everything there is to win: the 1987 - 1988 season is considered statistically the best season for aa single player in history... that season MJ won the MVP of the league the MVP of the all-star game the slam dunk contest (two-time champion) Leading scorer in the league (WITH THE HIGHEST PPG AVERAGE IN LEAGUE HISTORY) WITH 37.1 PPG... IF HE DID THAT IN AN ERA WITH TERRIBLY ROUGH, PHYSICAL AND VIOLENT DEFENSES... imagine what he would do today with the lax and relaxed offenses that exist... defenses against which Lebron does not score even 27 ppg wsadly... he only thing missing was the league championship
Imagine Bird's 3-point numbers if he grew up practicing shooting 3's since high school instead of his rookie year as a pro? The 3-point shot made its debut same year as Bird's rookie season. Back then 3-pointer was more of a strategic weapon...now, it's a joke. LeFraud ruined the game for me...watch his videos of him flopping and taking 5 steps but the refs are scared to call him for traveling. There's not 1 NBA team since Kobe and Shaq's Lakers that could hang with Barkley's or Dr J and Moses Malone's 76er's, Bird's Celtics, MJ's Bulls, the Bad Boy Pistons or Magic's Lakers...it was a completely different game. The only thing today's game and the games back then have in common is that the ball goes through a hoop.
First of all, thank you for your video. You also let us know that you know too little information about MJ. The more you study MJ, the more you can understand why he is the GOAT and the eternal GOAT . He shines alone in the distant universe🌟💫 There is no comparison.
You are correct about the practicing of the 3 pointer is because the 3 pointer became part of the game in 1980, a few years later in the college game. So all those player that grew up not having a 3 point line didn't have anything to practice for because it was a low percentage shot. It was the mid 90's that you had players that grew up practicing the 3 pointer. Big men never shot beyond 15 feet. today you see them shoot 3 pointers.
Jordan missed a total of 6 games in that 6 championship winning years. He scored more 40 and 50 point games than the entire Chicago Bulls franchise in its history
@POVJAKELive more than impressive my brother That's goated Another unbelievable stat from the the goat is that his rookie season numbers are basically the same as Kobe's MVP season numbers 😲🤯 Goated
Good video! Bill Russell is tied with MJ as my goat. The more I learn about him the more inspiring he becomes. One of the greatest humans to exist let alone basketball players. I highly recommend a Bill deep dive, unfortunately it won’t get the views of lebron or mj but so important for the context of the rest of bball history Subscribed excited to see what you do next!
The problem is that everyone who didn't *_Experience_* Michael "Air" Jordan, takes the stories of him as a sleight *_against_* some other player... and it's not... it's just that Jordan *REALLY WAS **_THAT GUY_* That one in a *_Trillion_* that makes even *_AMAZING_* players... look... Normal... but they're NOT normal, they are, Lebron included, they are *_AMAZING_* ... it's just that Jordan... was *_INHUMAN!!!_* He *_STILL_* has the highest Vertical the NBA ever saw... even with the upgrades in nutrition/training/etc.... He just *IS* that guy.
To answer your question. Bill has 11 rings, but here's the thing. 1. He played in a league with only 8 teams and topped out at 14 teams (if Im not mistaken) as opposed to a 30 team league. 2. He only made the All NBA FIRST team three times. 3. He only made the All Defensive 1st team once. 4. He was the All-Star game MVP once. Now like MJ he was a 5x MVP however he never won a Finals MVP (granted this award started Bills last season in the league). MJ on the other hand.... 1. Competed in a larger league 2. Made 10 All-NBA First teams. 3. Made 9 All-NBA Defensive teams. 4. Was the All-Star game MVP 3Xs. These along with other accolades are what seperate MJ from Bill. It's more than just the championships. Now in Bills defense, some of these awards were not around when played, but that smaller league is what hurts him. Wilt is considered to have been the better player back then, but Russell was on the better team.
Welcome to the right side of the conversation. But don’t worry, boss, just cause Jordan is the goat doesn’t mean LeBron can’t still be your favorite player.
Bill Russell: he IS in the conversation. MJ is the GOAT for me but I'll respect anyone who has Bill, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Duncan in a fluid 1-6. It's Lebron who doesn't skip the line! Everyone on Rushmore or should be, has a Dynasty and 3 of them have a 3-peat. Lebron stans say 8 straight finals. Bill Russell did that too, except he won all of them.
Bro, I grew up going to Bulls games and seeing Jordan.... in person, or on tv would have blown your mind. Watch some full games if you get a chance (like 1992 Portland 3 pointers game or something).
Bill Russell did win 11 championships but true hoop heads who know history understand that back in Bull Russells era there were less than 11 teams in the whole association. Also the regular season games played were less than 82 games a season. So although Bill Russell does have the most rings its basically apples vs oranges because of rule changes, amount of teams and fewer regular season games. It doesnt really translate well when Jordan had more games to play versus alot more teams than Bill Russell ever had to play against.
It's the pundits that play with the numbers the most. The pundits aren't there to talk about who's actually the best of all time, they're there to convince you to spend money on the league, whether with merch or bets. That means propping up the current top players and making them superstars. It's about money, not skill. (That's not to say players on the NBA court aren't skilled. they all are in all eras)
Bill Russell era was like the start of the nhl not that many teams, not a lot of playoff rounds which is why he won so much. NHL had original 6 teams so these 6 teams have a lot of cups already plus it started in late 1800’s. Since there were fewer teams there were better chances to win championships which is why Russle was able to win 11 out of 13
I will say this.... I can't deny Bron is a great player but there have been alot of great players. Bird, Kobe, Wilt, Pippen.... and so on. However, the Greatest..... is Jordan in my opinion. loved the video brother, great commentary. keep it up.
They wrote a song dedicated to the great MJ's skill set & the man played 🏀 w/his tongue hanging out 😝😛, what r we really talking a/b🤔..........6RINGZ!!
I am now complimenting yet another young man, young fan for being brutally honest and humble and genuine! Bravo young man! I span over 40 years of eyewitness to the sport of basketball, and I have been thrilled by Bird and Magic, and then came MJ and he BLEW ALL of us away and did it by doing things that NO ONE had EVER seen someone do before, and then came Kobe (And I think it's very sad that Kobe seems to have been forgotten) and Kobe was a far better shooter and clutch player than Lebron. And then there's Lebron who's dominance is based to 2 VERY obvious things: 1. He has played the vast majority of his career in a much softer NBA, with plenty of room, and NO hand checking AND, with easier access to a wide-open rim. And 2. He's simply and ONLY racked up numbers by playing longer than any other player in history, with a remarkable level of fitness allowing him to continue practically injury free, but that's also due to the game being FAR less physically challenging today. The way Lebron flops, he would be laughed at in Bird, Magic, MJ and even Kobe's day because you were constantly being slashed, banged, bumped and slammed in the paint. It wasn't easy getting to the rim IT was nearly impossible to score before you were fouled, but MJ did it consistently and one of his trademarks WAS the AND-1!!!!
The quote in the beginning was Walter Payton the greatest RB of all time!!! Also LeChoke James throwing the chalk in the air is just 1 more thing he copied from Michael Jordan!!
There is one player who is overlooked in this debate is Kobe Bean Bryant. I am not saying that Kobe is above Jordan by any means but, I do believe he is far above LeBron. Kobe was on par with his determination and drive to be the best player he could, hardest worker in practice, usually the first in and the last to leave, obsessed with winning games and titles, the individual accolades took care of themselves. There was no off season for Kobe he was always working and tinkering with his game to give himself that edge over his competition. I have seen Magic and Bird, Jordan, Kobe, and Lebron come into the league, and the previous 4 are far above LeBron. If Bird played now he would dominate as he did in the 80's along with Magic, MJ would average 45- 50 per game in todays era, Kobe played in both era's and was a dominant force as well. LeBron would be nothing more than a foot note to this era if any of the HOFG's that I just mentioned.
Because it's NOT just one category. He used Horry as an example with 7 chips. It's the combination of all five categories, "Winning" is just one of five. Russell was great, but he didn't lead in enough of the other categories.
Bill Russell career high average ppg is 18! That’s part of the reason. When he won those chips it was only 8 teams in the league if I remember correctly.
The best modern equivalent I can think of is KG. Averaged 17ppg but the impact was felt far beyond points. Wilt averaged up to 50 but Bill stopped him time and time again. With 8 teams that means every team is deep. Imagine if there were 8 today, every team would be a super duper team
@@badat2k191 You can't really make that comparison b/c the money involved is different now than it was back then. There were only 2 or 3 teams that were "stacked" and Russell was on one of them. Teams are much more stacked in the modern era especially with how there's basically no loyalty now and superstars join each other to create super teams.
Jordan was my favorite player since junior high school in the 90s and I've missed seeing him since retirement SO much that I have wanted to see someone compare or be better. LeBron has been the closest thing but he is not. My point is that we Jordan fans don't hate on other players we just can't agree that anyone comes close, yet.
It's really not even a debate and time will tell that. One of them had an unmatched determination and athleticism and the other guy played a long time.
Jordan- 13 seasons played essentially yet 14 All Star Appearances. That's because he made the All Star Team even when he only played 3 games prior to the All Star Game one season. Who else makes the All Star Team playing only 3 regular season games prior?
I applaud you for your honesty and genuineness. It does hurt to be wrong for many. This is why many people, who know they are wrong double down. Cognitive dissonance is a real thing and it’s testament to your character sir. You have more integrity than Lebron.
From 1990 to 1998 the bulls with jordan never lost 3 games in a row. The 10 scoring titles for jordan were also 10 in a row. He's also the only player to win mvp scoring title defensive player of the year and the nba title and mvp in finals all in the same year
Youngins are the only ones who think this is a debate. For those of us who watched both live, there was never a question.
Never!
I am laughing as he says the toss up with the chalk is Legendary and doesn't know LeBron stole that from Jordan also.😂
yep, ive said that previously, glad you pointed it out. Difference between them? Jordan was subtle doing to Red " johnny" Kerr and they would play jokes back and forth. Lebron? Walks up, makes sure everyone is looking. Making sure the cameras are out recording. Gets the chalk, doesn't even look at the scorers table because he could care less about them. THen he throws it up really high and holds his arms open for the shot and then goes to center court. The " look at me and post" generation.
At least MJ didn't make a corny spectacle of it.
That part🖤💛🖤💛
Its ok. Jordan stole the freethrow line dunk. . n reverse layup from Dr. J. . soooo
@purplehayes3965sure, he may have stolen those from Dr. J, but at least those practical skills rather than a walkup spectacle with no real effect on the game or the level of the players' ability to play.
Something they didn't say in the video was that MJ didn't lose three games in a row at all from 1990-1998
@@chastongoolsby7863 that’s impressive 😮💨
@@POVJAKELiveimpressive is a fair description but you know it falls way short when it comes to over 600 games without losing three straight games.
It’s out of this world impressive. We would say it were impossible if it hadn’t been done.
25 - in the playoffs from 91 to 98.
And never reach game 7 in finals.
Ohh damn they definitely should have mentioned that!
Thank you for being open minded. I’ve been a Knicks fan since 1990. I HATED Jordan…but he IS The GOAT.
@@chaepark8720 💯💯
I was a Sixers fan… he did them so dirty that Charles had to go to the Suns… Initially hated Sixers playing again Bulls because of Jordan!
In one way or another, the Detroit Pistons and the Knicks are two fundamental pieces in Jordan's sporting life. We must remember that a winner is as good as his rivals force him to be. If the rivals are weak, the winner does not grow. If the rivals are good, the winner must strive harder to obtain victory... Facing the Pistons and the Knicks every year undoubtedly made him stronger... the duels with John Starks and that mountain of muscles that was Xavier McDaniel were legendary.
@@WALKINGPHONE I'm glad you said that. Jordan was forged by fire. The Pistons and Knicks were fundamental to MJ's story. The Pistons were the reason MJ and the Bulls became unstoppable. MJ/Bulls took those "Ls" early, in his career to them and eventually, took the mantle, once they learned how to overcome the Piston's hyper-aggressive, playstyle. The Knicks were that team that made sure the Bulls didn't get too, comfortable being on top. It was teams like those, that helped build MJ and The Bull's legacy.
agreed lol i wasnt fond of MJ i was a jazz fan lol and Reggie miller and Tim Hardaway lol but yeah Jordan is the Goat
In an interview with MJ that aired prior to the ‘92 Finals against the Blazers, MJ stated that he chose not to shoot 3-pointers because it took away from his overall game…and said that he didn’t want to hang around the 3-point line waiting for someone to pass him the ball because he preferred to drive to the basket and draw the defenders into committing a foul so that he could shoot the easy free throw, and if he couldn’t drive to the basket, he preferred to shoot his jump shot if necessary…he was a unique specimen of an athlete.👽😉👍🔥
Yep, the "shrug game" 1 when he scored 35 points in the first half which is still an NBA finals game record (and something very few mention is he actually played only half of the second quarter so actually it is 35 points in a quarter and a half) including 6 of 8 threes (ended up with 6 of 9) . One of the best performances of his career and one of the biggest blowouts in NBA's finals history! When it comes to MJ's performance in the finals there is so much to talk, would be nice if someone makes a video on that. Every Lebron fan should watch it and learn...
That was stated here. I think that was one of the points to FINISH NAILING BRON’s COFFIN @ the end, MJ never losing too much CONSECUTIVELY (like being 4x6)
@@zakkg5497 What's more impressive on that "Shrug" is that it's like a stunt he pulled just to prove people wrong and he did it on the finals where if he messed up it can cost them the championship, and there's a lot of pressure compared to a regular season game. Well he made it. He shrugged it off. That's mike. The GOAT. if you mock his game during his time he'll prove you wrong. In a humiliating way. Bet these woke fans don't even know a story of him during the olympics where he guarded an opponent the whole game like it's the NBA Finals. Btw the guy said something about him on the newspaper and mike didn't liked it so he did that.
This guy can actually consume facts and update his worldview. This is a rare quality nowadays.
Props to you for admitting the truth. Wish were alive to see cause believe me if you saw what we saw live, this isn't even a debate, great video
Michael Jordan is the GOAT ..
no more no less!!
Appreciate your honest response and taking our advice on this video. I was blessed to see Magic, Kareem and Bird play, i saw MJ and then Kobe and Lebron. True honestly, there was nobody like MJ. The arena, the energy and intense energy and you knew and were waiting for something special.
Remember a big fact. Jordan did the bulk of his stats over only ELEVEN YEARS. Let that sink in. One year, out with a broken foot, came back played only 17 games. Another year came back late from baseball only played 24 games. Those are two dead seasons for stats period. SO that leaves then when he came back hurt to play for the wizards at 39 and 40. That is why , his numbers are insaneeeeeeeeeee.
Lets be honest, we all know why he got the longevity like many other players in this "softer rules" generation of basketball. Jordan wasn't injured during his years. Durable as all heck and started the whole training for fitness and strength in the nba with trainer Tim Grover (day Jordan retired Kobe called him and hired him) Jordan took care of himself and played all 82 games in 10 seasons. Lebron? He has done it 1 time and just tried to do it NOW and failed . Jordan played all 82 games his last year with the wizards, at 40.
This generation of athletes are soft. They made their millions before even stepping on the court. No incentive at all to win. It's a buddy, buddy league, take the three pointer, do the dribble 20 times, one on one and little defense, traveling is almost never called and what an assist is considered now was NEVER an assist in all previous generations of basketball. Now we hear about the whole "workload management" crap LMAOOOO, Seriously? The 90's players didn't need that plus this generation being paid $20-$30-$40million per YEAR. Get their butts on the court. They lazy . Lebron gets a hangnail , needs to sit out for a week. Other players taking weeks off at a time. Lebron half the time doesn't run back on defense as you saw in the video and stilllll doing that current day. Talk about longevity. Anyone in this generation is going to be able to last 20+ seasons with that type of work ethic or lack thereof. Guess when lebron was last on the " All defensive team" ? 2013 and it was for 2nd team all defensive team. Jordan? His last year with the bulls in 98 when he retired at 35 , made all defensive 1st team LOL.
It's why i said you had to watch this video and you said it, " it put it into perspective".
Im sorry but Lebron is a player during the "internet/social media generation. Hype hype hype hype hype and PAID media to push the Lebron narrative. From ESPN to Klutch sports we have seen and heard the money and people being paid to hype him. There is no questions its been exposed. Honestly for me, i have him in top 10 but not top 5. About the total points record? Just about any scorer playing 22 season will do that. Karl Malone scored more than jordan so did Kobe all time but they played many more season than jordan. Why isn't Karl Malone in the discussion. I'll tell you why, MICHAEL JORDAN. Remember i mentioned Jordan's 11 seasons where the bulk of stats were done? It took lebron and kobe to their 17th SEASONS to pass jordan in all time scoring. So the all time scorer it total points doesn't hold a massive amount of weight when discussing the GOAT.
It's all about getting FACTS and putting things into PERSPECTIVE. Look forward to your future videos.
@@redtesta Well said.
@@jamesway Thank you bud!!
Bird was trash living off of black people!!!
@@redtesta appreciate that and thanks for these facts!
Perfectly said.
the way to properly see the championship question is this: it took Jordan less tries to get more rings.
Players have had the potential to be the GOAT, but whether bigger or smaller none have matched the all around game of Jordan.
I feel guilty that I was able to watch the NBA since 1971 all the way to now. There have been many greats during this time, but the greatest I have seen in all of that time was MJ. He wasn't my favorite player as I was a Laker fan but definitely the goat. The greatest athlete/player of any team sport, I believe. Thanks for the reaction ✌️
Thanks "I TRULY RESPECT YOU YOUNG MAN"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@MrOdzplat 💯😂
Jordan started the powder toss up with "Red" Kerr, who was a Bulls' announcer at the time. Jordan gave him the powder every home game.
@@skyking-a10-brrrt61 didn’t kno that 😅
They wore a gas mask once because of it, it was hilarious
It became a thing they did. Jonny Red would have a umbrella or fan. Everything he does has been to copy MJ. Except his game of course.
@@POVJAKELive YO! Johnny Red Kerr was Bulls player and MJ teammate, now Golden State coach, Steve Kerr.
I appreciate when someone looks at everything and admits when they're wrong .. props to you. I wish you would have seen him play.. the eye test would have let you know if you seen him live
@@GilbertoGonzalez-e4y 💯💯
"The eye test" just means he had a pretty jump shot and we like the way he moves on the court. As an all around player lebron is better. He's a more efficient scorer, higher basketball IQ and just more complete.
Were does everyone get this narrative that lebron james has a higher basketball iq? If that were true, I'm pretty sure he would have had more championships than 4. Especially with all the top 50 players and HOF players he's played with.. If his IQ was higher than jordan, then why did jordan have a better work ethic and practice harder and played harder both on offense and defense to show his teammates by example and push them to make them better players..wouldn't a higher basketball IQ know this? how can his IQ be so high if takes time off on Defense to rest. Especially in his last few years when he's been a defensive liability at times. Wouldn't a higher basketball IQ know relaxing on Defense hurts your team by allowing easier baskets for the other team? They say he makes his teammates better but if that's true, why do most players who play with him average way less points in their careers when they played with him, compared to when they played on other teams? I just don't get it. He's an amazing player. Top 5 overall, but too many false narratives. I guess what makes his basketball IQ pretty high is he knows how to flop so well to get lots of foul calls
"Makes his teammates better" Kevin Love had to go into therapy because of playing w LeFraud😭
@GilbertoGonzalez-e4y you have a very ignorant and somewhat less than basic understanding of basketball. The "narrative" of a high basketball IQ came from his fellow basketball players, coaches, basketball analysts, both opposing as well as teammates. Even skip bayless, an even bigger Lebron hater than you says his basketball iq is off the charts, and also calls him one of the best passers he's ever seen. I think ill believe them over some random guy on the internenet who doesnt really know what hes talking about. He makes the right plays, all the time. That doesn't mean taking 30+ shots a game because you are trying to average 40 points a game, but rather trying to get your teammates involved. He hasn't won more than 4 rings because basketball is a team sport... it takes more than just 1 or 2 or even 3 super stars or really good players to win. It takes depth, which he's rarely had on any of his teams, it takes great coaching, which he's only on a few occasions had, spoelstra was probably the only very great coach he's had, it takes chemistry and it takes a little bit of luck - like your teammates not getting injured. If kyrie and love aren't hurt in 2015 he'd most likely at least one more. If warriors don't create one of the greatest superteams ever, maybe he has one or two more. If lakers front office don't dismantle that championship team it's possible they could have one another the following year. And you act like 4 rings isn't a lot.... only one player has more finals mvps than Lebron. No one has ever won a finals mvp with 3 different teams, that's not easy to do, I it were more people would have done it. Lebron had the misfortune of being drafted by an incredibly incompetent front office that did nothing to put a good team around him. NO ONE in the history of the game would have carried that 07 cavs team to the finals which is widely regarded as one of the worst ever. And then he had to play against the legendary spurs team, coached by at least the 2nd greatest coach ever (phil being the first). Lebron has made the most of what has been a fairly unlucky career. And I'm honestly sick of the ignorant narratives that people created around him.
that's just on stats. but if you had to add the human factor, like the passion for the game, respect for the game, professionalism, competitiveness, dedication, sportsmanship, leadership, fear it brings to his opponent, the excitement he brought to the game, the shot creativity, the difference is even more glaring
非常好的觀點
Jordan's "Top 5" has Michael picking Larry over LeBron whenever Michael is asked for his picks.
Jordan love white folks😂😂
RESPECT!✊🏾 A lot of people double down on the narrative.
You looked the stats and the facts, and came to an unbiased conclusion. RESPECT!
Lebron has air balled from the free throw line 9 times in his career.. that, plus load management and taking vacation days on the defensive end, is what kills it for me.
In the game against the Cavaliers when MJ dropped 69 points and 18 rebounds, MJ made 2 of 2 three point shots the entire game…he didn’t need the 3-point shot to drop major buckets on the 5th best defense in the NBA back then…and he didn’t need it against the Legendary ‘86 Celtics when he dropped 49 points and then 63 points in the first 2 games of the playoffs after rehabbing his broken foot that season…he’s mythical.🦄
How about game 3 when he dropped 19 on 18 shots?
@sportstalkonly1442 lmao the point being is he didn't need a 3 to have the highest average points per game or score more than 3000 points in a season that no one else has done or ten scoring titles....I'm not sure what you're point is because he had an off game 😂😂😂 better luck next time bub
@@MakaveliCVW He doesn't have a point, @sportstalkonly1442 never does. He lurks around Jordan comment sections, regurgitating false narratives and cherry picking stats whilst omitting crucial CONTEXT...
Jordan's FULL stat line from that Game 3 VS Boston was...
- 19 Points
- 10 Rebounds
- 9 Assists
- 2 Steals
- 1 Block
- FG% 44.4
Anyone who watched the 3rd game of that series knows that the Celtics SMOTHERED Jordan defensively, they double teamed him consistently throughout that entire game, yet he still produced the stat line above.
His overall stats for that Playoff Series VS Boston...
- 43.7 Points
- 6.3 Rebounds
- 5.7 Assists
- 2.3 Steals
- 1.3 Blocks
- FG% 50.5
Not bad for a 2nd Year player coming off a broken foot, with Orlando Woolridge as the Bulls 2nd best player.
On some real shit lebron never surpassed Kobe… lebrons a great but way too overhyped… Kobe and MJ were them dudes you don’t wanna see in most situations 💯
Please react to the 1992 Dream Team Documentary! You will enjoy it and see and hear from other Greats/Hall of Fame players about what THEY experienced with Jordan.
@@chaepark8720 bet!!!💯
You should watch Magic and Bird courtship of rivals before this one. You should totally see them both, but the magic and bird documentary should be first.
Bill Russell is always in the Top 5 of Big Men. For me it’s not about being physically dominant, but about skill level and unique abilities.
Russell in any era is a defensive Monster and would adapt to the talent level of the game.
Hakeem “The Dream” is the most talented Center I’ve ever seen. He’s second best after MJ in all around elite status.
@@athens_1psvr31 over shaq?
@@POVJAKELiveyes over shaq,Kareem never got swept 6x like shaq,Kareem hook shot was unblockable and he could pull it off any time,remember Hakeem schooled shaq in the finals in 94 with ease so yea Kareem is better than shaq by far
If you talking SKILLED BIG MEN.... bill not top 5
@ The Dream was more talented than Shaq all day. Yes. Easy. I said “It’s not about Physical Domination”, but dominating with talent and skill level.
@@POVJAKELive shaq has said himself that dream was the better big man compared to him. even though he has more rings, shaq always said that hakeem was on another level.
Ive been saying for many years that LeBron fans actually do a disservice to LeBron by constantly trying to compare him to MJ. Some of the things MJ did are basically untouchable. I blame the sports media for gaslighting so many people. You can't fully hate on them for hyping LeBron so much. They have to sell the product and they will say whatever they have to whether it's true or not.
I watched in Jordan’s era, and there were great players at every position, some of the best centers ever, best power forwards, shooting guards and point guards, if there was a position that lacked talent overall in that era it might have been the small forward. Even then, there was some great ones.
A lot of people forget or don't know that jordan retired twice as the best player in the game. He retired in 94, and for 75% of the 95 season. Then he retired again as the best player in 1998. If jordan doesn't retire at minimum he gets another 1-2 rings, 1-2 finals mvps, another three 1st all defensive teams selections, which puts him 3 past everyone else, another 2-3 scoring titles, another 12k points, another 1-2 season mvps. So if he doesn't retire twice in my opinion he finishes with at least 7 season mvps, at least 8 rings, 8 finals mvps, 44k points, 12 1st all defensive selections, 13 scoring titles which he already owns the record of 10. Finishes 2nd in total steals.
Man stop with the ifs. He didn't. So you can stop with the hypotheticals
Bill's not in the conversation for the same reason LeBron should never have been.... When you see "MJ" it looks "MAGICAL" or "OTHERWORLDLY".....Some people can practice or work on their game to be "Great" but there are others that are ...."GIFTED" and that's "MJ".
I’m not a troll but watching LeBron fans watch this video is my favorite thing to watch on the internet. I’ve probably watched 40 LeBron fan react atleast.. but I have to say this has been my favorite. You’ve been the only reactor watching with an open mind. You’re a true student of the game.
Facts lol every few months I look for some new ones
Pour yourself a drink and just watch some of MJ's games. As a basketball fan, you'll enjoy yourself. I promise 👍👍👍
All of these LeBron vs Jordan videos are in super slow-mo. If you watch Jordan highlights in real time vs Lebron's is clear that Jordan from the eye test is the better player.
Mike D’Antoni when coaching the Suns (I believe) started the 3pt wave that teams adopted. He took the Bigs out of the paint and valued 3’s over 2’s.
What's worse is the guy didn't even include the flopping and crying 😂
As someone who watched both careers and is staunchly on the side of Jordan is the GOAT (and to me, it isn't particularly close) I can't blame younger bucks who never saw Jordan but grew up in the LeBron era thinking that LeBron is HIM. I get it. It's not your fault. You had to be there for both to have the unique perspective. Even as amazing as that "Jordan Legendary Bulls Mixtape" video is, it doesn't do it justice. LeBron is without a doubt a King. But Jordan is a basketball God. It's that simple. Why be a King, when you can be a God?
Bron is the greatest player you have seen. Fair!
Being an old dude from The Chi who saw every game MJ played.
He is the greatest I saw!
Pure love! D🌹
Being from the chi you obviously have a bias. That being said MJ is the best basketball player i have ever seen and he isn't my favorite player, that's Tim Duncan
只要有看過喬丹打球，誠實一點都會說他比詹姆斯好上不只一點點
The end when you are struggling with having to admit Jordan was the GOAT had me laughing, it was like “should I admit water is wet? I mean I was just drenched in water and it is gonna take a long time for me to dry off…but is water really wet?! I still don’t know…. Ok water is wet.”
The funny thing about that clutch % near the end for LeBron is that since this video was made it's actually gotten lower.
I wouldnt pick Lebron over MJ, Larry, Magic, or Kareem.. Maybe not even Kobe.. he got some really ugly warts on his resume despite all that greatness. double sided coin.
Every great does
@@sportstalkonly1442 not AS many warts as Lebron tho.. he AIR BALLS FREE THROWS.. at least 9 times in his career. Bird, Jordan, NEVER did that.. their low lights are VERY FEW.. Lebron has TOO MANY LOW LIGHTS..
15:15 Because when Bill Russel won 11 chips, most of those years there were only 10-12 teams in the league and 8 of them made the playoffs, and he had a first round bye in most of those. He had to play like 8 games to win a ring, while the modern NBA has to play like 20 games. That's the difference. It's a lot harder to win a chip now. Russel had to play 7 teams, Lebron and Jordan had to play 28 teams. Russel had 2 rounds of playoffs, Lebron and Jordan had 4.
This 💯
Subscribed…I love this basketball journey
@@aholmesdre 🙏🏽 thank u
Great video POVJAKE. Your sincerity and honesty in absorbing the video and letting the facts drive your thought process is admirable
You earned a sub👍
Bill Russell's teams were stacked. Those Celtics had more elite players than several other of teams from that era, combined. There were only a couple of rounds of playoffs and only 8-14 teams in the whole league!
Just look how many times in those chips did bill Russell win the MVP for the season and for the finals and you’ll see he was a great part of those teams but he wasn’t always the best player but in MJ ‘s case there is no doubt he wasn’t always the best player not just on his team but in the league
Man, it was never about winning against you. We just wanted you to know the truth about the whole situation. But, because you showed maturity in seeing the facts and not denying it (like FemitoDrippy), and because you accepted the truth like a man, you not only earned my respect by also my subscribing to your channel. It's ok to still have LeBron as your favorite player. No shame in that. He's just not the GOAT. Well done, sir. Great reaction and I'll be checking your vids from now on. Keep it up!
@@genkki4776 appreciate that 💯🙏🏽
Same…kudos to you…👍
是的，可以誠實的表達內心的想法，這樣就很棒了
Why is it that LBJ fans know so little about sports history let alone basketball history?
Walter Payton was one of the greatest running backs in NFL history...
Oh Jordan is better than young or LeBron but if they would show young Jordan, it is over there’s not even a conversation which there shouldn’t be anyways, because LeBron does not compare to Jordan in any way shape or form
MJ and Lebron. Can really see the importance of a good father figure.
One thing that gets overlooked when the video goes into stats is the attempts.
For instance when he says MJ led league in Win shares 8 times he’s not mentioning it was 8 times out of 13 seasons.
While Lebron at that point in his career he only led the league in win shares 5 out of 17 times. That is a huge gap.
Penny was the first combination of MJ and Magic with finishing power like Dominique. Penny was my 2nd favorite player after MJ.
Then LeBron was that similar combo, and Penny was his favorite also.
Bron should’ve avoided the 23 hype and aimed for the Magic Johnson comparison.
To be honest, a more apt comparison is LeBron vs Kobe, and LeBron will still lose.
I feel like one of the luckiest basketball fans ever. I was one of those kids that watched every Jordan game on TV. I was able to watch the greatest in REAL TIME!!! When he hit that buzzer beater and did the iconic jump fist pump.... I did it with him.... only I was in my living room watching on my 19" brick of a TV. Jordan was such a huge part of my life. (as well as many others) To this day he still makes me proud to be a fan of #23. 🐐🐐🐐
Jordan never saw a three point line until he got to the nba. It wasn't put in college until 87. And a large portion of the threes he took were buzzer beaters from wherever he was on the court. He shot threes for one half of one game. Game 1 of the 92 finals. He finished that half with 35 points on 6-8 from 3.
If longevity was so important, Kareen should have been the goat all this time, not MJ. They praise longevity a lot these days just to try to convince people that LeBron is the goat, because that's the only thing he has. In everything else, it's MJ all day long.
When they say LeBron has the stats, they're talking about absolute stats. But when you break it down to per-game stats, LeBron fals behind, as you can see.
Oh, and none of the finals series Jordan won went to a game 7. All six were in 5-6 games. Dominance!
Toss up with the chalk is LAME LBJ stole that from MJs pregame ritual and just spammed and fan girled it by making it extra metro with throwing it in the air smh. Legendary not at all just a poser doing poser things as lbj always does.
Respect to you for being not throwing your self-respect away to defend a man against facts. Many Bron fans who watch this cannot do the same and they spend the whole video almost in tears over their guy getting shown up
Bill Russell is in the conversation, he was considered #1 for a long time. Russell also did it under threat of death in the civil rights era.
You gotta watch The Last Dance
As an oldass Bulls fan, it was FUCKING GLORIOUS!!! I hope everyone can experience an era in ANYTHING that brings people together the way MJ and Pippen did for us. Dem was the fucking Dayz.
😮im shocked. You changed your decision! 💯💯.
@@jraymondvlogs my heart said so 🙂↔️
I've watched 10 people react to this video and I love it each time! 😂
Look at it this way:
if they were to face each other in a one-on-one game... Jordan has the defensive ability to dissect Lebron's offense...
on the contrary, Lebron's gruyere cheese defense is not enough to stop MJ's offensive abilities...
how do you stop someone who was the best offensive player for 10 straight seasons and the best defensive player for one season (a season in which he scored 35.1 ppg, one of the highest average in history) and every year was on the league's elite defensive team...
there is simply no way Lebron could beat him
Now, the facts and statistics say that MJ is the greatest... that is not up for discussion for those of us who saw him play and have seen Lebron (after watching MJ break the laws of gravity every night we were never impressed by Lebron) but I come back to the point... the statistics and the facts are there, but you only saw Lebron play and it is perfectly understandable that he is the player you like and that is fine...
especially now that you know the difference between being the best player on the planet (LJ) and being the greatest in all of history...
and rings don't always reveal something, Robert Horry has 7 rings, and that doesn't make him greater than Lebron and much less than Jordan.
MJ is considered the best, because he basically won everything there is to win:
the 1987 - 1988 season is considered statistically the best season for aa single player in history... that season MJ
won
the MVP of the league
the MVP of the all-star game
the slam dunk contest (two-time champion)
Leading scorer in the league (WITH THE HIGHEST PPG AVERAGE IN LEAGUE HISTORY) WITH 37.1 PPG...
IF HE DID THAT IN AN ERA WITH TERRIBLY ROUGH, PHYSICAL AND VIOLENT DEFENSES... imagine what he would do today with the lax and relaxed offenses that exist... defenses against which Lebron does not score even 27 ppg
wsadly... he only thing missing was the league championship
Imagine Bird's 3-point numbers if he grew up practicing shooting 3's since high school instead of his rookie year as a pro? The 3-point shot made its debut same year as Bird's rookie season. Back then 3-pointer was more of a strategic weapon...now, it's a joke. LeFraud ruined the game for me...watch his videos of him flopping and taking 5 steps but the refs are scared to call him for traveling. There's not 1 NBA team since Kobe and Shaq's Lakers that could hang with Barkley's or Dr J and Moses Malone's 76er's, Bird's Celtics, MJ's Bulls, the Bad Boy Pistons or Magic's Lakers...it was a completely different game. The only thing today's game and the games back then have in common is that the ball goes through a hoop.
First of all, thank you for your video. You also let us know that you know too little information about MJ. The more you study MJ, the more you can understand why he is the GOAT and the eternal GOAT . He shines alone in the distant universe🌟💫 There is no comparison.
You are correct about the practicing of the 3 pointer is because the 3 pointer became part of the game in 1980, a few years later in the college game. So all those player that grew up not having a 3 point line didn't have anything to practice for because it was a low percentage shot. It was the mid 90's that you had players that grew up practicing the 3 pointer. Big men never shot beyond 15 feet. today you see them shoot 3 pointers.
The good thing is with the internet you can watch a lot of games with Jordan, and gain an appreciation for Jordan. Any game, he was a highlight reel
Jordan missed a total of 6 games in that 6 championship winning years. He scored more 40 and 50 point games than the entire Chicago Bulls franchise in its history
@@shaheempashua6924 that’s impressive 💯
@POVJAKELive more than impressive my brother That's goated
Another unbelievable stat from the the goat is that his rookie season numbers are basically the same as Kobe's MVP season numbers 😲🤯 Goated
Good video! Bill Russell is tied with MJ as my goat. The more I learn about him the more inspiring he becomes. One of the greatest humans to exist let alone basketball players.
I highly recommend a Bill deep dive, unfortunately it won’t get the views of lebron or mj but so important for the context of the rest of bball history
Subscribed excited to see what you do next!
Problem is the younger generation is brainwashed by media and have no idea how dominant Jordan was and how he has Soo much more skill then LeBron
It's fun watching young bloods getting a reality check. 😅
Always a hand in Jordan's face, Lebron uncontested dunks... (zzz)
The problem is that everyone who didn't *_Experience_* Michael "Air" Jordan, takes the stories of him as a sleight *_against_* some other player... and it's not... it's just that Jordan *REALLY WAS **_THAT GUY_* That one in a *_Trillion_* that makes even *_AMAZING_* players... look... Normal... but they're NOT normal, they are, Lebron included, they are *_AMAZING_* ... it's just that Jordan... was *_INHUMAN!!!_*
He *_STILL_* has the highest Vertical the NBA ever saw... even with the upgrades in nutrition/training/etc.... He just *IS* that guy.
Sorry you never saw Jordan..
I went through the same realization when Jordan surpassed Dr J
To answer your question. Bill has 11 rings, but here's the thing.
1. He played in a league with only 8 teams and topped out at 14 teams (if Im not mistaken) as opposed to a 30 team league.
2. He only made the All NBA FIRST team three times.
3. He only made the All Defensive 1st team once.
4. He was the All-Star game MVP once.
Now like MJ he was a 5x MVP however he never won a Finals MVP (granted this award started Bills last season in the league).
MJ on the other hand....
1. Competed in a larger league
2. Made 10 All-NBA First teams.
3. Made 9 All-NBA Defensive teams.
4. Was the All-Star game MVP 3Xs.
These along with other accolades are what seperate MJ from Bill. It's more than just the championships.
Now in Bills defense, some of these awards were not around when played, but that smaller league is what hurts him.
Wilt is considered to have been the better player back then, but Russell was on the better team.
That quote at the beginning of the video was from sweetness. Walter Payton one of the greatest rbs to ever play the game of football
The youngsters always say
"I ain't gone lie"
When they see it and realize it themselves
Welcome to the right side of the conversation. But don’t worry, boss, just cause Jordan is the goat doesn’t mean LeBron can’t still be your favorite player.
Bill Russell: he IS in the conversation. MJ is the GOAT for me but I'll respect anyone who has Bill, Kobe, Magic, Kareem, Duncan in a fluid 1-6. It's Lebron who doesn't skip the line! Everyone on Rushmore or should be, has a Dynasty and 3 of them have a 3-peat. Lebron stans say 8 straight finals. Bill Russell did that too, except he won all of them.
Good point!
I respect having Dream in there too, I actually rank him higher than Timmy.
@@Epicentr Hakeem was a phenomenon for sure! Even MJ picks him for his all-time team. And oops, I skipped Bird and Wilt.
@@PizzaTime727 I argue Jordan #1 but I have a hard time ranking the rest. 😄
@@Epicentr Exactly.
Bro, I grew up going to Bulls games and seeing Jordan.... in person, or on tv would have blown your mind. Watch some full games if you get a chance (like 1992 Portland 3 pointers game or something).
35:35
If youre life is on the line, you take Larry Bird.
At least according to Pat Riley.
I agree with Pat.
Bill Russell did win 11 championships but true hoop heads who know history understand that back in Bull Russells era there were less than 11 teams in the whole association. Also the regular season games played were less than 82 games a season. So although Bill Russell does have the most rings its basically apples vs oranges because of rule changes, amount of teams and fewer regular season games. It doesnt really translate well when Jordan had more games to play versus alot more teams than Bill Russell ever had to play against.
And that team was stacked!
Bill was playing with little white boys😂😂😂
The '95-96 Bulls (72-10...'96-97 Bulls (69-13) 💪🏿.
It's the pundits that play with the numbers the most. The pundits aren't there to talk about who's actually the best of all time, they're there to convince you to spend money on the league, whether with merch or bets. That means propping up the current top players and making them superstars. It's about money, not skill. (That's not to say players on the NBA court aren't skilled. they all are in all eras)
It's wild to me that lebron even gets compared to jordan and people put him over kobe 😂
Bill Russell era was like the start of the nhl not that many teams, not a lot of playoff rounds which is why he won so much. NHL had original 6 teams so these 6 teams have a lot of cups already plus it started in late 1800’s. Since there were fewer teams there were better chances to win championships which is why Russle was able to win 11 out of 13
I will say this.... I can't deny Bron is a great player but there have been alot of great players. Bird, Kobe, Wilt, Pippen.... and so on. However, the Greatest..... is Jordan in my opinion. loved the video brother, great commentary. keep it up.
They wrote a song dedicated to the great MJ's skill set & the man played 🏀 w/his tongue hanging out 😝😛, what r we really talking a/b🤔..........6RINGZ!!
I am now complimenting yet another young man, young fan for being brutally honest and humble and genuine! Bravo young man! I span over 40 years of eyewitness to the sport of basketball, and I have been thrilled by Bird and Magic, and then came MJ and he BLEW ALL of us away and did it by doing things that NO ONE had EVER seen someone do before, and then came Kobe (And I think it's very sad that Kobe seems to have been forgotten) and Kobe was a far better shooter and clutch player than Lebron. And then there's Lebron who's dominance is based to 2 VERY obvious things: 1. He has played the vast majority of his career in a much softer NBA, with plenty of room, and NO hand checking AND, with easier access to a wide-open rim. And 2. He's simply and ONLY racked up numbers by playing longer than any other player in history, with a remarkable level of fitness allowing him to continue practically injury free, but that's also due to the game being FAR less physically challenging today.
The way Lebron flops, he would be laughed at in Bird, Magic, MJ and even Kobe's day because you were constantly being slashed, banged, bumped and slammed in the paint. It wasn't easy getting to the rim IT was nearly impossible to score before you were fouled, but MJ did it consistently and one of his trademarks WAS the AND-1!!!!
Longevity is meaningless in today's no touch cupcake era
The quote in the beginning was Walter Payton the greatest RB of all time!!! Also LeChoke James throwing the chalk in the air is just 1 more thing he copied from Michael Jordan!!
There is one player who is overlooked in this debate is Kobe Bean Bryant. I am not saying that Kobe is above Jordan by any means but, I do believe he is far above LeBron. Kobe was on par with his determination and drive to be the best player he could, hardest worker in practice, usually the first in and the last to leave, obsessed with winning games and titles, the individual accolades took care of themselves. There was no off season for Kobe he was always working and tinkering with his game to give himself that edge over his competition. I have seen Magic and Bird, Jordan, Kobe, and Lebron come into the league, and the previous 4 are far above LeBron. If Bird played now he would dominate as he did in the 80's along with Magic, MJ would average 45- 50 per game in todays era, Kobe played in both era's and was a dominant force as well. LeBron would be nothing more than a foot note to this era if any of the HOFG's that I just mentioned.
Because it's NOT just one category. He used Horry as an example with 7 chips. It's the combination of all five categories, "Winning" is just one of five. Russell was great, but he didn't lead in enough of the other categories.
Bill Russell career high average ppg is 18! That’s part of the reason. When he won those chips it was only 8 teams in the league if I remember correctly.
The best modern equivalent I can think of is KG. Averaged 17ppg but the impact was felt far beyond points. Wilt averaged up to 50 but Bill stopped him time and time again.
With 8 teams that means every team is deep. Imagine if there were 8 today, every team would be a super duper team
@@badat2k191 You can't really make that comparison b/c the money involved is different now than it was back then. There were only 2 or 3 teams that were "stacked" and Russell was on one of them. Teams are much more stacked in the modern era especially with how there's basically no loyalty now and superstars join each other to create super teams.
Jordan was my favorite player since junior high school in the 90s and I've missed seeing him since retirement SO much that I have wanted to see someone compare or be better. LeBron has been the closest thing but he is not. My point is that we Jordan fans don't hate on other players we just can't agree that anyone comes close, yet.
It's really not even a debate and time will tell that. One of them had an unmatched determination and athleticism and the other guy played a long time.
This isn't a debate...the only debates should be who's #2 ,3, 4 and 5
“When you're good at something, you'll tell everyone. When you're great at something, they'll tell you.”
― Walter Payton
Jordan- 13 seasons played essentially yet 14 All Star Appearances.
That's because he made the All Star Team even when he only played 3 games prior to the All Star Game one season.
Who else makes the All Star Team playing only 3 regular season games prior?
I applaud you for your honesty and genuineness. It does hurt to be wrong for many. This is why many people, who know they are wrong double down. Cognitive dissonance is a real thing and it’s testament to your character sir. You have more integrity than Lebron.
4 years on from that video and LeBron has played himself out of that debate...lmao
From 1990 to 1998 the bulls with jordan never lost 3 games in a row. The 10 scoring titles for jordan were also 10 in a row. He's also the only player to win mvp scoring title defensive player of the year and the nba title and mvp in finals all in the same year