Coming from person who lives In Murino, hear me out before hating on our hood. There are more expensive districts that are much nicer, but Murino fits a niche of being the most affordable district in Saint Petersburg which still has good public transport accessibility. It takes me 40-45 min to get to the very center of the city and I pay ~270$ of rent for a nice one bedroom apartment which I don't have to share with anyone. Most of the people that live there are students and other people who have just moved to Saint Petersburg or have just moved out from their parents. If it had all the parks and stuff, it would be at least 50% more expensive, and a lot of people in Russia aren't very rich, but still we need to live somewhere. So overall I'm pretty happy with Murino, it does its job well.
We don't talk only about parks come on. There are a lot of shitty things in these areas besides lack of parks. Mud, dust, shittone of parking areas, endless asphalt fields etc. And it is not that cheap. ~5 000 000 rur for one room apartment plus mortgage interest that usual russian has to pay means that average family with salary 100 000 rur would pay for this flat for the rest of their lifes. Things that we are talking about to make such places at least more comfortable to live in are not expensive for building companies to create, but unfortunately nobody cares about that
@@nicebars moscow and st peter isnt really "russia", if u only visit those 2 places and only visit all the tourist shit in both of them, you experienced about 0% of the real russia. you have to travel to siberia to actually get it and that is what i am mostly fascinated about, the far east of russia
@@Sc0fieldek You know 15% of all Russians live in Moscow or St. pete, while like 5% live in all of Siberia, so what's the 'real Russia' is very much up to debate
The architecture of these buildings isn’t that bad in my opinion they look like something I’d see in the US, but I can definitely see these neighborhoods becoming future slums given how awful the actual planning is. It’s too much in the outskirts of Peter and most “wealthy” residents move closer to the city center where actually jobs and opportunity might exist for a reason. This coupled with the fact that many of these real estate companies are sketchy and are seemingly balancing on a string. But at least it has a metro station
Nah I doubt it will become a slum or anything. Just kind of a poor area, which might get run down a bit if it isn't looked after, but you defo won't see India, or Brazil type shit there
The architecture movement you are referring to is also present in the US where people are now talking about how American suburban planning is soulless and forces everyone to have a car
As an epileptic Texan that often can't drive for months and months on end I absolutely love videos that shit on our urban planning. It's fucked not being able to drive here lol. Impossible to get around. It's easily the worst part about having epilepsy even though it doesn't have to be.
Yeah it's interesting how the US got rid of the tram tracks they used to have and Europe followed thinking it's progressive and modern, even as far as that Paris idea of rebuilding the city center with apartment buildings and roads lol, but then went back on it when it realized how shitty that kind of planning is but the US only went harder with it, I'm glad people are coming out against the suburbs and NIMBYs
Cars have been forced in the US ever since the 1970s. Public transportation doesn’t even really exists in the US outside of NYC, Boston, parts of Atlanta, and parts of Chicago and LA.
Saw a vid about it here on YT. Zoning laws which separated commercial places from residential areas which eliminated small local shops and created strip malls and then huge shopping complexes far from where anyone lived. A short solution that created more problems. Here's the link... th-cam.com/video/7pq-UvE1j1Q/w-d-xo.html
@@ndogg20 Zoning laws are the worst, also the stories I hear of people protesting construction because the parking lot has some kind of cultural or communal value or some other bs when it was built in the last 20 years and when a park or whatever could provide actual value to the people living there
As a Brazilian this place isn't that bad. It's just like the suburb I live in. Just make it a bit more dense and transform the alcohol stores into burger shops, and it would be identical
@Свойский maybe soviet like design is worse in some ways but overall life not that bad compared to some american cities. for example detroit is in ruins with crime, shootings, gang violence, no internet or clean water, houses falling apart, depressing cold grey, abandoned concrete ruins and not many jobs or industry left. America is completely designed around cars to where it essential to get to work or anywhere at all, covered in concrete with massive parking lots and busy intersections and huge multi lane roads and hours of traffic jams that make it dangerous for pedestrians and it makes the landscape look very depressing. to escape that we have massive suburban neighborhoods cut off from everything else which have their own problems. russia with soviet design seems like the opposite of this with people walking around or taking subways and shops right next to where people live, designed for mass public transit and communal living with most of the things people need easily accessible
You should see my neighborhood. This is heaven compare to the shitty place I live in. I mean literally there's a building in front of mine that is barely 10 meters away, and yet they're constructing more buildings around mine.
Compared to some US city areas that have had decades to rot, this looked relatively nice and safe. But then as you point out the mud, and the liquor stores, and the lack of amenities, and then the abandoned buildings (major red flag), I can see the issues. This city looks like it’s going from zero to Detroit in a very short amount of time.
@@gangoffour6690 Detroit was a very surreal place to visit. I slept with the windows open and heard nothing except birds chirping and sirens. Very odd combination.
This city was founded in 1676. Of course, there are old buildings in it, as in all old cities. But it is important that many new buildings have been built in it and new infrastructure is being built. This video is just paid anti-Russian propaganda.
The daisy flowers and these kinds of paint jobs on new buildings here in Russia always crack me up, like yeah you don't have any parks or infrastructure where you live and the roads and everything are shit but here are some cute wall designs, are you happy yet? smile!
I agree its not as leery as some council estate massivs in UK; but the point they are making is that the style of architecture is short-sighted, i.e. not child-friendly - easy to get run over, no cafs to lounge in, taking dog out for a walk is a miserable experience etc.
This is the worst district of Saint Petersburg not Russia in general. But yep its got so much bad rep that is infamously known outside that city as well.
@@johnnygomez7063 Huh? Have you been to the Paris or Roman suburbs? Britain compares very well to "normal" Europe because most people in Britain live in little houses with gardens. Even Scandinavia is full of dull public housing projects. AND Britain is the most integrated country in Europe.
that's absurd. Toxteth is full of decent terraced houses with gardens and ii has parks. It's a LOT older than this place but I know where I'd rather live. Why do do many British people people always do what you do. Take anything on any subject and we always have to proclaim that we are the worse? We take national self deprecation to the next level.
These kind neigbourhoods need time to become livable. I live in Belgrade, and New Belgrade was ridiculed as a "dormitory" in the beginning. During a couple of decades businesses, cultural content and other amenities were built. The key is in fill-in development. You build a lot of apartments, and other stuff gets organically built-up, as long as relatively well-off people live in it. If you populate it exlusively with poor people, like Americans did in their experiments, then it's a certain disaster.
Yeah the problem is that these areas often don't get that kind of development, the buildings that were built in cities here in Russia 15-20 years ago are often abandoned or aren't doing much better and stay shitty, there are lots of tours of those areas on Russian TH-cam with English captions if you're interested. People only choose to live there cause it's cheaper than in the downtown and still close to the city, they only go there to sleep and then off to work or have fun in the downtown so the area never gets much development since the people are waiting to earn more money and hopefully move somewhere nicer
This kind of neighborhood never becomes livable. As soon as better offers appear on the real estate market well-off people start to flee, only not so well-off people will stay. Prices on real estate in that neighborhood will decline what will attract some migrants and this neighborhood will slowly turn into the ghetto.
Rich folks don't want to live int he same building as poor people, and there's just going to be a lot more poor people than rich people for the moment. So the problem isn't just "poor people living somewhere", it's just poor access to things and a reasonable standard of living for the majority of people, at least in the US. Also the common thing nowadays in the US is poorer folks actually having to move out to old, decayed boomtime suburbs while the cities are now getting gentrified and rich folks can pretend they live like someone poor because they live in a kitschy studio apartment that used to be a warehouse but it's still like $2000/mo.
I'm working as a cityplanner from another part of europe and I agree with your description of the buildings and the lack of life with all the high levels and empty paths in the area Murino. It's very easy to just build to get people to have some space to sleep but leaving the lack of a good habitat behind.
I have been living in St. Petersburg all my life. And I visited Murino 2 times. This area didn't seem to me as scary as everyone says. I think that the Shushary district is much worse. Thanks for the video!
You need some perspective in your life. Travel. This shit is not far off from a North Korean city....I guess your view explains why so many Russians are content living on their knees.
@@tinniesealjiji it's a swear word, kinda like fuckface/a face that fucks if we're talking literally. I'd say it's more vulgar tho but it's often used in casual situation as you can see haha
@@Crawlingdreams418 maybe but I don't think people use those as much in everyday speech, and there's no sexual connotation there :D I would be more offended if somebody told me to shut my ebalo than my snout or snarl haha the latter sounds kinda funny
Murino is every Russian urban planning enthusiast's nightmare haha yeah it's passable to live in, similar or sometimes better than in a lot of Russia e.g. my home Rostov, but that doesn't make this kind of city planning acceptable so I'm glad you and other TH-camrs show how shitty these places are haha
Те, кто сейчас покупает недвижку в Мурино выплатят ипотеку и переберутся в Питер. А свои муринские хаты будут сдавать новым мигрантам. Очевидно, что никто не собирается там задерживаться надолго
@@IWannaSaySmth 100% в этот-то и проблема, это временное жильё пока не заработают на что-нибудь получше, так как в таком районе мало кто хочет постоянно жить и семью заводить, понятно во что эти хаты превратятся лол
Me: listening to Roman in the background Roman: talking about a place with only houses, no parks,no cultural centers Me: Oh shit, Roman is in Phoenix AZ.
Yeah dude but I would 10/10 timss choose Murina over Phoenix. I would die in that scorching heat there. I live in Budapest, Hungary, where during hottest months (July and August) the average high temperatures are 28 C (82 F) and 26 C (around 80 F) but sometimes it's colder sometimes its a couple degrees warmer, and I still feel like sometimes that I'm dying of heat stroke. Can't imagine to live in a place with such a hellish weather as Phoenix AZ. Sorry dude.
@@raytool7036 It honestly depends lol, I live in Delhi and here it gets 46 degree Celsius and it's literally so goddamn hot but you do get kinda used to it
@@raytool7036 in Arizona that 120°F is a very dry heat. The Southeast US is honestly more dangerous heat wise in the summer due to the humidity. 90°F to 100°F yet your sweat is useless because there is too much moisture in the air for your sweat to evaporate and cool you off.
Similar planned neighborhoods in Boston (area) in the past 20 years are: The Seaport, The Fenway redevelopment near Fenway Park (Boylston Street) and East Cambridge / Kendall Square.
Planned neighborhoods... Be glad they are planned. Belgrade is a distaster, NBG where nfkrz went while he was here is about the only planned place in this city.
There are much worse Russian hoods too. These are just still new. Different reasons for hate. One is when you live in the middle of nowhere in crumbling rotten building surrounded by mud. Another when the buildings are new, but full of low income outsiders deep in credits, with no greenery, not enough kindergartens or schools, horrible commute time, broken elevators etc. Also, people of SPB are very well known for being decadent elitists. Even if dirt-poor alcoholics, act like snobs towards even Moscow. Both in SPB and in Moscow they hate ”immigrants”.
you just give it 10 years without cleaning, basic maintenance, greenery and see how it'll turn into a generic russian/eastern commieblock ridden shithole neighborhood. dont forget that those buildings are badly built.
@@CLK944 The funny part is that commie blocks are often the better buildings in some cities. Because a significant % still lived in 2-story barracks built by German POWs, with toilets outside. There was never enough housing. I think about half a million if not more people in SPB still lives in communal flats sharing kitchens and toilets. Where they have removable toilet seats they only share with friends and family (yes, this is not a joke)
@@CLK944 Actually a pretty large number of buildings in Murino is more than 10 years old already. The majority of area in a walking distance from the subway station was developed in the early 2000s.
i love how you met with bald and it seems his advice has helped you grow as a content creator your camera work while walking around has improved you seem less afraid and more outgoing i hope your channel grows and grows you deserve the subs also your english is very very good better than some i meet here in new york
We lived in a studio flat in Murino for $300 per month. It was good enough. Decent little city. There are shops and restaurants near by and for anything else you take the metro into Saint Petersburg. It’s cheap living and it has more spacious streets than in the center.
@@Daninvietnam Prague costs of living have been skyrocketing comparing to local awerage wages - in subburbs you cant find small (25-30 sq m) studio under 600 USD (12 000 CZK) plus all utilities(around 350 USD -1 person) plus mobile phone costs and notebook internet - over all up to 1000 USD - average Prague salary in 4Q 2021 was 2000 USD before taxes!!!
I used to stay in Athens, you're lucky if a patch of grass just has eggs and beer bottles. There's parks everywhere but the kids all play football in the road for a reason
I'm only half way into the video but the fact I haven't seen a single homeless person or at least a visible person who appears homeless is wild and makes me really rethink what I thought about Russia. My city feels like a complete shithole by comparison. If we went to the "bad" part of my town, yeah you'd see some shit.
Seriously I dont see what's so bad. Like the buildings are look nice and new inside and out. Like it might be a little sparse but that will be fixed when the trees lining the streets and walkways actually grow to full size. People in the comments complain about there being no shops yet the street level is absolutely filled with shops and small businesses. Otherwise what are the beer and liquor stores he keeps pointing out.
It's a different story when you have to live there with no trees or parks or infrastructure lol plus those buildings fall part so quickly usually they're a joke here
@@Belle-zq3xc yeah my opinion changed after 5 minute mark lol but this being the “worst district of St. Petersburg” I was comparing it to the worst neighborhood in my city, we have trees and we have parks, but the buildings and shops don’t look nice (at least on the outside) like this
@@henriquejambu oh yeah I agree, I'm from a medium sized Russian city and a lot of the buildings there don't look half as nice haha but it's the province vs St Petersburg
Beer and other achohol shops are spreading like a plague in many cities these days, especially in newer neighborhoods. On one hand, this increases my chances of finding some good beer on a friday night, but on the other hand I realise it's a big problem in general.
I love your evolution man! Seeing you back in the day when you used to do the commentary videos and stuff to this awesome quality vlogs about russia it’s amazing!
The buildings look like Vegas hotels but instead of being in the middle of a city they’re just a shit ton cloned in the middle of absolutely nowhere lmao
Россия с противоположной стороны граничит с японией, поэтому у нас очень много подержанных японских машин в стране. особенно на дальнем востоке. там все на праворульных японских авто ездят. потому что дешево, надежно и круто
And after the liqour store, they've already built a pharmacy so you can bring in your total authentic prescriptions. Afterwards you go shopping for alcohol. No wonder the WEs must be a hell of a ride in this place. This reminds me o... I've got to go and buy alcohol mysel!!
Hey, man, content about spb is pretty awesome. I ll wait much more content about this city. Because я живу здесь и слушать все это на английском куда интереснее. ❤️
In the USA this would be known as a "bedroom community," a suburb of a large city where people live and commute into the city for work. But typically in the US these take the form of subdivisions of detached houses instead of large apartment buildings. The streets are similarly empty, even worse because the population density is lower and the sprawl goes out wider. For social life you must again commute to the city or to another suburb to your friend's house. Or make friends with your neighbor.
I live in Sydney, Australia however I am also Russian. Mascot in Sydney is very very similar to Murino, just with a Chinese-Australian twist and our apartments crack apart and collapse.
Man, I've took an eye on it. There's decent footpaths, cycle paths and it's quite green. Also I'm pretty sure it is accessible to emergency services. Pretty well planed.
Thank you for the tour Roman! Cool little Balkykov shout-out in the introduction even if it was said it's the most dangerous area. I'm amazed at the trash on the streets as most of st Pete and Moscow are cleanm
4:15 I used to live in an identical commie housing block in Poland. We called them 'Bloki Leningradzkie', as they were allegedly a gift from the people of Leningrad for Gdańsk, Poland.
I would live there. Here in America, outside of a few big cities, public transportation access is so limited and a car is required, so having access to a metro seems really continent. These buildings also seem nice inside and out. Obviously, some better city planning would improve the area, but this is way nicer than a lot of places in the states-both inner city and suburbs alike.
Yo bro what’s up son, yo my man your grasp of the English language is amazing plus you know all the slang. I am originally from Moscow and lived in nyc for the past 28 years. You talk like the Russians I know who lived in America for many years. Come to NY kid!
You call that neighborhood more safe than Brazil? Hell no I do not think that neighborhood is anywhere near as safe as anywhere in Brazil. Russia has an insane amount of drug cartels that will torture you to death.
We used to hear references to "warehousing people" in reference to some tenements in New York City during the 70's and 80's. They were dismal, excessively large and tall, and clustered together like those you showed us there. They are without services anywhere nearby (except public transit in and out). I left but although occupied at the time I left NY, I think at least some of them were slated for demolition.
Those apartments look like what were called "projects" built in the inner cities in the U.S. back in the 60's and 70's for subsidized low income housing. Most of them became hell holes and a lot of them have been torn down.
There is actually a large difference. The US projects are social housing with subsidized rent for poor people. They turn to ghettos pretty fast because mostly consist of welfare getting deadbeats that havent worked for a day in their lives. Places like Murino on the other hand are basically cheap condos with working people living there and paying mortgages for those units. Although it is still the cheapest property you can buy in Russia it has way better environment and residents than social housing.
@@PaulV. That’s a really ignorant summarization of the jects. I grew up there and so did most of my family, people work hard but you get trapped in a cycle of poverty with crime and drugs all around you. The projects are bad but calling everyone that lives there a deadbeat who doesn’t work is unfair
@@papaicebreakerii8180 As I see I ve written "mostly" and not "everyone". Ofc there are honest people there as well that as you ve said yourself are surrounded by drugs and crime.
@@PaulV. Varlamov (urbanist blogger) pointed 5 stages of how neighborhood like this turn into a ghetto. Basically, people who went there initially, eventually move to a places with better infrastructure and environment, and start to rent their apartments to some poor immigrants or some marginalized groups. Prices of the real estate start to go down, crime increase, which motivate even more people to move away until only the poorest remain.
@@Askhat08 yes that was his theory but it hasnt shown any practical results so far. Varlamov also insisted like 3 years ago that everyone who will buy apts in such buildings will lose money because they will go down in price. Instead currently such units cost twice more than in the moment he said that. People should stop inventing some "know-it-all" gurus for themselves and think with their own heads.
Weeds, trash, vacant swampy lots - looks like my small city in Southern US. Minus high rises and beautiful walkways. I'm jealous of those. We walk in streets to avoid busted up and overgrown sidewalks.
Ilya looks to happy to be in Roman's video. I think he was especially delighted by the mention of Chelyabinsk, probably knowing there was a comparison happening. He's a cute young guy, hopefully he can make his way out of Murino someday. I think it looks OK for a low-income town, but those monolithic buildings are too scary for me. Fun episode, Roman!
Love how the neighbourhood is safe Monday to friday but on Saturday night it is dangerous. It’s almost as if there was an agreement in place for that too happen
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Coming from person who lives In Murino, hear me out before hating on our hood. There are more expensive districts that are much nicer, but Murino fits a niche of being the most affordable district in Saint Petersburg which still has good public transport accessibility. It takes me 40-45 min to get to the very center of the city and I pay ~270$ of rent for a nice one bedroom apartment which I don't have to share with anyone. Most of the people that live there are students and other people who have just moved to Saint Petersburg or have just moved out from their parents. If it had all the parks and stuff, it would be at least 50% more expensive, and a lot of people in Russia aren't very rich, but still we need to live somewhere. So overall I'm pretty happy with Murino, it does its job well.
We don't talk only about parks come on. There are a lot of shitty things in these areas besides lack of parks. Mud, dust, shittone of parking areas, endless asphalt fields etc. And it is not that cheap. ~5 000 000 rur for one room apartment plus mortgage interest that usual russian has to pay means that average family with salary 100 000 rur would pay for this flat for the rest of their lifes. Things that we are talking about to make such places at least more comfortable to live in are not expensive for building companies to create, but unfortunately nobody cares about that
The law should require more strict requirements for a developer if ordinary people just don't care themselves about the environment.
@@nicebars moscow and st peter isnt really "russia", if u only visit those 2 places and only visit all the tourist shit in both of them, you experienced about 0% of the real russia. you have to travel to siberia to actually get it and that is what i am mostly fascinated about, the far east of russia
So basically it’s starting city in rpg 😆
@@Sc0fieldek You know 15% of all Russians live in Moscow or St. pete, while like 5% live in all of Siberia, so what's the 'real Russia' is very much up to debate
The architecture of these buildings isn’t that bad in my opinion they look like something I’d see in the US, but I can definitely see these neighborhoods becoming future slums given how awful the actual planning is. It’s too much in the outskirts of Peter and most “wealthy” residents move closer to the city center where actually jobs and opportunity might exist for a reason. This coupled with the fact that many of these real estate companies are sketchy and are seemingly balancing on a string. But at least it has a metro station
Nah I doubt it will become a slum or anything. Just kind of a poor area, which might get run down a bit if it isn't looked after, but you defo won't see India, or Brazil type shit there
Deng
nope this definitely cant turn into slums you see in brazil or any other south American country.
@@dickenstham5075 Deng Xiaoping
Wow Europeans standards are incredibly low. Praise Christ and praise the USA!!!!
The architecture movement you are referring to is also present in the US where people are now talking about how American suburban planning is soulless and forces everyone to have a car
As an epileptic Texan that often can't drive for months and months on end I absolutely love videos that shit on our urban planning. It's fucked not being able to drive here lol. Impossible to get around. It's easily the worst part about having epilepsy even though it doesn't have to be.
Yeah it's interesting how the US got rid of the tram tracks they used to have and Europe followed thinking it's progressive and modern, even as far as that Paris idea of rebuilding the city center with apartment buildings and roads lol, but then went back on it when it realized how shitty that kind of planning is but the US only went harder with it, I'm glad people are coming out against the suburbs and NIMBYs
Cars have been forced in the US ever since the 1970s. Public transportation doesn’t even really exists in the US outside of NYC, Boston, parts of Atlanta, and parts of Chicago and LA.
Saw a vid about it here on YT. Zoning laws which separated commercial places from residential areas which eliminated small local shops and created strip malls and then huge shopping complexes far from where anyone lived. A short solution that created more problems.
Here's the link... th-cam.com/video/7pq-UvE1j1Q/w-d-xo.html
@@ndogg20 Zoning laws are the worst, also the stories I hear of people protesting construction because the parking lot has some kind of cultural or communal value or some other bs when it was built in the last 20 years and when a park or whatever could provide actual value to the people living there
As a Brazilian this place isn't that bad. It's just like the suburb I live in. Just make it a bit more dense and transform the alcohol stores into burger shops, and it would be identical
@Крахта на пресне do you even know where this man lives lmao
14 000 people in one large building. A small town in one building. Are you sure you represent the correct scale in your head?
@Свойский maybe soviet like design is worse in some ways but overall life not that bad compared to some american cities. for example detroit is in ruins with crime, shootings, gang violence, no internet or clean water, houses falling apart, depressing cold grey, abandoned concrete ruins and not many jobs or industry left. America is completely designed around cars to where it essential to get to work or anywhere at all, covered in concrete with massive parking lots and busy intersections and huge multi lane roads and hours of traffic jams that make it dangerous for pedestrians and it makes the landscape look very depressing. to escape that we have massive suburban neighborhoods cut off from everything else which have their own problems. russia with soviet design seems like the opposite of this with people walking around or taking subways and shops right next to where people live, designed for mass public transit and communal living with most of the things people need easily accessible
not bad at all for our Brazilian standards, just add some thieves and homeless people begging for money and voilà
@@aiquesono and some sicarios doing assassinations in the middle of day
What a shame that such a new community wasn't conceived with parks, bike paths, trees and other outdoor spaces.
It looks like a test city for an open world game
It has room for trees, imo. It could be fine in the future.
@@mYcRiSpDiScK Looks like a game dev. students unfinished work on unreal engine 4.
@@19ThreeLions97 developer just doesn’t have any interest in doing something in the future while most of the apartments are already sold
You should see my neighborhood. This is heaven compare to the shitty place I live in. I mean literally there's a building in front of mine that is barely 10 meters away, and yet they're constructing more buildings around mine.
Compared to some US city areas that have had decades to rot, this looked relatively nice and safe. But then as you point out the mud, and the liquor stores, and the lack of amenities, and then the abandoned buildings (major red flag), I can see the issues. This city looks like it’s going from zero to Detroit in a very short amount of time.
In Detroit some houses sell for $1 . Good luck on that though.
@@gangoffour6690 Detroit was a very surreal place to visit. I slept with the windows open and heard nothing except birds chirping and sirens. Very odd combination.
This city was founded in 1676. Of course, there are old buildings in it, as in all old cities. But it is important that many new buildings have been built in it and new infrastructure is being built. This video is just paid anti-Russian propaganda.
It looks better than most of Buffalo, man that's a rough place
@@gangoffour6690 for 1$? Lmao
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Ayo how do you guys know about him?
I was adopted from Russia and have lived in America my whole life. I’ve always loved watching your vids, they give me the experience I never got💯
I give you a piece of advice, don't listen to him anymore, he is a propagandist and a traitor who left Russia to earn more money
@@IIII-jr7qk ?
The daisy flowers and these kinds of paint jobs on new buildings here in Russia always crack me up, like yeah you don't have any parks or infrastructure where you live and the roads and everything are shit but here are some cute wall designs, are you happy yet? smile!
Better than the half-effort in a lot of the US haha, but this is still a suburb of a very wealthy city so they at least get that much. :p
Maybe, but the color of a building does have an impact o the mood of the area by quite a bit.
The Russian infrastructure is much better than the American one.
@@Aeduo “A very wealthy city?” Really?
Welcome to the real 2021 Russia, all that you have described is a modern reality for the whole country!
I live in toxteth in Liverpool and I can’t lie lad, where I live is 100000x worse than this. There’s no way this is Russia’s worst district
I agree its not as leery as some council estate massivs in UK; but the point they are making is that the style of architecture is short-sighted, i.e. not child-friendly - easy to get run over, no cafs to lounge in, taking dog out for a walk is a miserable experience etc.
This is the worst district of Saint Petersburg not Russia in general. But yep its got so much bad rep that is infamously known outside that city as well.
haha British labour class - you cant compare Britain and normal europe...
@@johnnygomez7063 Huh? Have you been to the Paris or Roman suburbs? Britain compares very well to "normal" Europe because most people in Britain live in little houses with gardens. Even Scandinavia is full of dull public housing projects. AND Britain is the most integrated country in Europe.
that's absurd. Toxteth is full of decent terraced houses with gardens and ii has parks. It's a LOT older than this place but I know where I'd rather live.
Why do do many British people people always do what you do. Take anything on any subject and we always have to proclaim that we are the worse?
We take national self deprecation to the next level.
These kind neigbourhoods need time to become livable. I live in Belgrade, and New Belgrade was ridiculed as a "dormitory" in the beginning. During a couple of decades businesses, cultural content and other amenities were built. The key is in fill-in development. You build a lot of apartments, and other stuff gets organically built-up, as long as relatively well-off people live in it.
If you populate it exlusively with poor people, like Americans did in their experiments, then it's a certain disaster.
Yeah the problem is that these areas often don't get that kind of development, the buildings that were built in cities here in Russia 15-20 years ago are often abandoned or aren't doing much better and stay shitty, there are lots of tours of those areas on Russian TH-cam with English captions if you're interested. People only choose to live there cause it's cheaper than in the downtown and still close to the city, they only go there to sleep and then off to work or have fun in the downtown so the area never gets much development since the people are waiting to earn more money and hopefully move somewhere nicer
Belgrade needs to have enrichment like my capital city London
This kind of neighborhood never becomes livable.
As soon as better offers appear on the real estate market well-off people start to flee, only not so well-off people will stay. Prices on real estate in that neighborhood will decline what will attract some migrants and this neighborhood will slowly turn into the ghetto.
Belgrade is such a nice place I visited it once and it was fun,but the food was good
Rich folks don't want to live int he same building as poor people, and there's just going to be a lot more poor people than rich people for the moment. So the problem isn't just "poor people living somewhere", it's just poor access to things and a reasonable standard of living for the majority of people, at least in the US. Also the common thing nowadays in the US is poorer folks actually having to move out to old, decayed boomtime suburbs while the cities are now getting gentrified and rich folks can pretend they live like someone poor because they live in a kitschy studio apartment that used to be a warehouse but it's still like $2000/mo.
I'm working as a cityplanner from another part of europe and I agree with your description of the buildings and the lack of life with all the high levels and empty paths in the area Murino. It's very easy to just build to get people to have some space to sleep but leaving the lack of a good habitat behind.
I live in similar a block in the UK, but mine is brutalist architecture from 1962...
I have been living in St. Petersburg all my life. And I visited Murino 2 times. This area didn't seem to me as scary as everyone says. I think that the Shushary district is much worse.
Thanks for the video!
Yeah shushary is worst for sure
Шушары это вообще пиздец такой же как и Парнас. Мурино по сравнению с ними великолепный район.
You need some perspective in your life. Travel. This shit is not far off from a North Korean city....I guess your view explains why so many Russians are content living on their knees.
If this was Bald and bankrupt, he wouldn't just count the beer shops, he'd buy from and sample them! A missed opportunity lol
Bald would have loved the Soviet Cars!!!
16:56 lmao love how Roman translated ебало/yebalo as "face", I mean technically that's what that means but the flavor is lost in translation 😅
What dose it mean with the flavour
@@tinniesealjiji it's a swear word, kinda like fuckface/a face that fucks if we're talking literally. I'd say it's more vulgar tho but it's often used in casual situation as you can see haha
well, snarl or snout sound pretty close (these two words are very vulgar)
@@Crawlingdreams418 maybe but I don't think people use those as much in everyday speech, and there's no sexual connotation there :D I would be more offended if somebody told me to shut my ebalo than my snout or snarl haha the latter sounds kinda funny
@@Belle-zq3xc true, but it's still a very rude word, trust me, there's also "mug", which can be used as a rude slang term for "face"
That guy's funny "We're just like St.Petersburgh, we have rivers and bridges too."
Stop copying my intro. Spasiba.
start travelling to obscure communists like mongolia and maybe zapatista country
Thought you both hired the same editor ;D
Considering Your last name, You'll always remain bankrupt! By somebody or somewhere !! Lol
watch out mate...bald not only got Johnny but the truth Lithuanian gangster, Comrad Gibon as a bodyguard
You should go to the same area and drink piva in every one of these liquor stores
Ilya is the most polite hopnik I've ever seen....
Murino is every Russian urban planning enthusiast's nightmare haha yeah it's passable to live in, similar or sometimes better than in a lot of Russia e.g. my home Rostov, but that doesn't make this kind of city planning acceptable so I'm glad you and other TH-camrs show how shitty these places are haha
Are you Russian?
@@MuzzaHukka yep I am
Те, кто сейчас покупает недвижку в Мурино выплатят ипотеку и переберутся в Питер. А свои муринские хаты будут сдавать новым мигрантам. Очевидно, что никто не собирается там задерживаться надолго
@@IWannaSaySmth 100% в этот-то и проблема, это временное жильё пока не заработают на что-нибудь получше, так как в таком районе мало кто хочет постоянно жить и семью заводить, понятно во что эти хаты превратятся лол
@@Belle-zq3xc слушай, а это все так в России хорошо говорят по Английски?
Me: listening to Roman in the background
Roman: talking about a place with only houses, no parks,no cultural centers
Me: Oh shit, Roman is in Phoenix AZ.
Yeah dude but I would 10/10 timss choose Murina over Phoenix. I would die in that scorching heat there. I live in Budapest, Hungary, where during hottest months (July and August) the average high temperatures are 28 C (82 F) and 26 C (around 80 F) but sometimes it's colder sometimes its a couple degrees warmer, and I still feel like sometimes that I'm dying of heat stroke. Can't imagine to live in a place with such a hellish weather as Phoenix AZ. Sorry dude.
@@raytool7036 it hit 120 last summer
@@garretjenkins8720 that sounds deadly my man
@@raytool7036 It honestly depends lol, I live in Delhi and here it gets 46 degree Celsius and it's literally so goddamn hot but you do get kinda used to it
@@raytool7036 in Arizona that 120°F is a very dry heat. The Southeast US is honestly more dangerous heat wise in the summer due to the humidity. 90°F to 100°F yet your sweat is useless because there is too much moisture in the air for your sweat to evaporate and cool you off.
American projects: alcohol shops and fried chicken joints.
Russian projects: alcohol shops and alcohol shops.
and shawarma shops*
No. Alcohol and shawarma. In Russia, there is always and everywhere shawarma.
Russians don't really know how to build good housing. 70% of the population lives in those small block flats
Similar planned neighborhoods in Boston (area) in the past 20 years are: The Seaport, The Fenway redevelopment near Fenway Park (Boylston Street) and East Cambridge / Kendall Square.
Planned neighborhoods... Be glad they are planned. Belgrade is a distaster, NBG where nfkrz went while he was here is about the only planned place in this city.
Sure but even those areas have parks and cultural venues near them. Nothing like this.
Grew up in French Suburbs and this is 10 times better than any of them
There are much worse Russian hoods too. These are just still new.
Different reasons for hate. One is when you live in the middle of nowhere in crumbling rotten building surrounded by mud.
Another when the buildings are new, but full of low income outsiders deep in credits, with no greenery, not enough kindergartens or schools, horrible commute time, broken elevators etc.
Also, people of SPB are very well known for being decadent elitists. Even if dirt-poor alcoholics, act like snobs towards even Moscow.
Both in SPB and in Moscow they hate ”immigrants”.
Are banlieue really that bad?
you just give it 10 years without cleaning, basic maintenance, greenery and see how it'll turn into a generic russian/eastern commieblock ridden shithole neighborhood. dont forget that those buildings are badly built.
@@CLK944 The funny part is that commie blocks are often the better buildings in some cities. Because a significant % still lived in 2-story barracks built by German POWs, with toilets outside. There was never enough housing.
I think about half a million if not more people in SPB still lives in communal flats sharing kitchens and toilets.
Where they have removable toilet seats they only share with friends and family (yes, this is not a joke)
@@CLK944 Actually a pretty large number of buildings in Murino is more than 10 years old already. The majority of area in a walking distance from the subway station was developed in the early 2000s.
This place has a really cool almost cyberpunk kind of feeling to it.
Cyberpunk 2077 when the high LOD doesn't load in.
the inside of the buildings look really clean and nice
"Its like in my hood Chelyabinsk"
"except there it's like that 24/7"
lol
@Крахта на пресне
I agree, it's just an interesting contrast how the building looks outside and inside
This is what i build in City Skylines when my need for population gets out of whack.
Do you build parks with trees at least?
Murina in finnish means rumbling and/or growling. Looks like the people who live there are doing both
This place is actually called Muurila in Finnish.
*murista - to growl
@@maxfi878 Yes, this same place used to be the site of an Ingrian village.
@@ribdakse3970 Russians ruining taken Finnish territory. Who could have thought?
@@allualex2606 pathetic rusophobes this was a period of construction works no one wanna damage this muurina.
i love how you met with bald and it seems his advice has helped you grow as a content creator your camera work while walking around has improved you seem less afraid and more outgoing i hope your channel grows and grows you deserve the subs also your english is very very good better than some i meet here in new york
Your friend seems like a really nice guy 👍🏻
We lived in a studio flat in Murino for $300 per month. It was good enough. Decent little city. There are shops and restaurants near by and for anything else you take the metro into Saint Petersburg. It’s cheap living and it has more spacious streets than in the center.
What a cheap price comparing to Prague... Envy you...
@@johnnygomez7063 I didn’t really find Prague all that expensive
@@Daninvietnam Prague costs of living have been skyrocketing comparing to local awerage wages - in subburbs you cant find small (25-30 sq m) studio under 600 USD (12 000 CZK) plus all utilities(around 350 USD -1 person) plus mobile phone costs and notebook internet - over all up to 1000 USD - average Prague salary in 4Q 2021
was 2000 USD before taxes!!!
@@johnnygomez7063 the 10-20 million people Migrating to europe per year need housing too 👴🏻
I used to stay in Athens, you're lucky if a patch of grass just has eggs and beer bottles. There's parks everywhere but the kids all play football in the road for a reason
Wow I never would've thought... I learned something new.
Are needles common in Athenian playgrounds?
I'm only half way into the video but the fact I haven't seen a single homeless person or at least a visible person who appears homeless is wild and makes me really rethink what I thought about Russia.
My city feels like a complete shithole by comparison. If we went to the "bad" part of my town, yeah you'd see some shit.
Seriously I dont see what's so bad. Like the buildings are look nice and new inside and out. Like it might be a little sparse but that will be fixed when the trees lining the streets and walkways actually grow to full size. People in the comments complain about there being no shops yet the street level is absolutely filled with shops and small businesses. Otherwise what are the beer and liquor stores he keeps pointing out.
Because in Russia homeless people do not go to new suburbs. You easy can meet homeless in old district of SPb.
5 minutes in, even with no trees or parks this looks extremely nice
It looks better than Chelyabinsk.
It's a different story when you have to live there with no trees or parks or infrastructure lol plus those buildings fall part so quickly usually they're a joke here
*for russian standards
@@Belle-zq3xc yeah my opinion changed after 5 minute mark lol but this being the “worst district of St. Petersburg” I was comparing it to the worst neighborhood in my city, we have trees and we have parks, but the buildings and shops don’t look nice (at least on the outside) like this
@@henriquejambu oh yeah I agree, I'm from a medium sized Russian city and a lot of the buildings there don't look half as nice haha but it's the province vs St Petersburg
Beer and other achohol shops are spreading like a plague in many cities these days, especially in newer neighborhoods.
On one hand, this increases my chances of finding some good beer on a friday night, but on the other hand I realise it's a big problem in general.
Love the Vlog Roman! You can tell it’s helped you build a lot of confidence and it shows!
Heck yeah Roman is so confident now he’s glowing!😇
that water needs Chlorine.
A very different perspective. Thank you for the eye-opener. Respect.
Bald was looking for you this weekend. He was drunk and lost
I love your evolution man! Seeing you back in the day when you used to do the commentary videos and stuff to this awesome quality vlogs about russia it’s amazing!
@ 3:59 Dmitri Mendeleev , the man who created the opening title sequence for Breaking Bad.
LMAO YOURE NOT WRONG
I live in the U.S. and there are neighborhoods at similar level of safety with rents much much higher than $500/mo. Слава Мурино!
The buildings look like Vegas hotels but instead of being in the middle of a city they’re just a shit ton cloned in the middle of absolutely nowhere lmao
Bro was that a Nissan GTR next to the Moskvich?!?! Holy crap what’s it doing in Russia!
I was searching for this comment :D Americans would kill for these cars :)
That's an ordinary skyline r34 sedan
Россия с противоположной стороны граничит с японией, поэтому у нас очень много подержанных японских машин в стране. особенно на дальнем востоке. там все на праворульных японских авто ездят. потому что дешево, надежно и круто
Thanks for the tour , Roman. Appreciate it much for taking the trouble.
It’s not for the faint of heart.
"For a 'HOOD', I have to say, it is well lit and there is lots of normal people around."
And after the liqour store, they've already built a pharmacy so you can bring in your total authentic prescriptions. Afterwards you go shopping for alcohol. No wonder the WEs must be a hell of a ride in this place. This reminds me o... I've got to go and buy alcohol mysel!!
Hey, man, content about spb is pretty awesome. I ll wait much more content about this city. Because я живу здесь и слушать все это на английском куда интереснее.
❤️
i remember getting lost here when i first moved to st petersburg and it was a fucking nightmare
Watch a video from a 1 or 2 years ago from Roman, and switch back to this video.
He's has grown! His dad Mr Bald bet he's proud of him
You guys, I'm totally 100% sure but...
I think Roman might be Russian
Actually on second thought, I'm not sure
@@Randomstuffs261 he has always lived in russia, is russian is perfect and he is russian ethnicity
@@asgarihanif I get where you're coming from, but we still have to wait and see
@@asgarihanif He's obviously being ironic. You can do that you know.
@@Randomstuffs261 I heard when he gets to 1M subs he will reveal if he’s Russian or not
I always love your HL² mentions
Man I love the consistent uploads.
TH-camrs on Murino: Man what a pile of broken shit!
Roman on Murino: Ah! Feels like home!
It takes time for ugly developments to get run down and turn into genuine slums. Murino is, at least, 30 years from that.
In the USA this would be known as a "bedroom community," a suburb of a large city where people live and commute into the city for work. But typically in the US these take the form of subdivisions of detached houses instead of large apartment buildings. The streets are similarly empty, even worse because the population density is lower and the sprawl goes out wider. For social life you must again commute to the city or to another suburb to your friend's house. Or make friends with your neighbor.
I live in Sydney, Australia however I am also Russian. Mascot in Sydney is very very similar to Murino, just with a Chinese-Australian twist and our apartments crack apart and collapse.
Man, I've took an eye on it. There's decent footpaths, cycle paths and it's quite green. Also I'm pretty sure it is accessible to emergency services. Pretty well planed.
Wolli creek
Also
@@Daninvietnam Wolli creek has a pretty nice park at least. Lots of people taking their dogs out there.
Thank you for the tour Roman! Cool little Balkykov shout-out in the introduction even if it was said it's the most dangerous area.
I'm amazed at the trash on the streets as most of st Pete and Moscow are cleanm
8 liquor stores in one building? XD I thought my homeland finland was alcoholic but good if we have 1 or 2 liquor stores in a CITY
Great video ,Roman.Greetings from Norway.Bolshoj privet
actually the buildings dont even look too bad but its just so cursed like why are there no parks and why are there just random floating street lights
I prefer your real life adventure vlogs to the studio ones. Keep up the good work 🙂
4:15 I used to live in an identical commie housing block in Poland. We called them 'Bloki Leningradzkie', as they were allegedly a gift from the people of Leningrad for Gdańsk, Poland.
Privet. Things will get better 😜. Everything in time. Love your channel. I'll be watching you from Florida. American born but Russian blood.❤️
I would live there. Here in America, outside of a few big cities, public transportation access is so limited and a car is required, so having access to a metro seems really continent. These buildings also seem nice inside and out. Obviously, some better city planning would improve the area, but this is way nicer than a lot of places in the states-both inner city and suburbs alike.
If we had such neighborhoods in Czech cities, we wouldn't be having a housing crisis. That's for sure.
Atleast the liquor should be cheap with so much competition.
5:30 Bro talking about a Moskvich while there is literally an ER34 Skyline sitting besides it. Good video tho! I really like the new adventurous NFKRZ
yeah, was looking for a comment like this
5:34 Roman's talking about a Moskvich while there's an r34 skyline in the background :D
yeah! but i couldn't tell how many parts were from another car aha
19:22 this is like the first clothing store in GTA when Niko Belic arrives at the Russian neighborhood
For the most infamous hood of Sint pietersburg
It's seems quite liveable and okay, accounting that is the most dangerous district of the city.
survival and living arent the same...
Most of the people that live there are upper middle class and the city is more of a suburb so it’s not a hood
Yo bro what’s up son, yo my man your grasp of the English language is amazing plus you know all the slang. I am originally from Moscow and lived in nyc for the past 28 years. You talk like the Russians I know who lived in America for many years. Come to NY kid!
This neighborhood, "lifeless" as it is, is still more organized, clean and safe than many cities in Brazil #JustSaying
You call that neighborhood more safe than Brazil? Hell no I do not think that neighborhood is anywhere near as safe as anywhere in Brazil. Russia has an insane amount of drug cartels that will torture you to death.
4:07 i actually like it, especially the shops area. i like how clean it looks with the lights.
You should see the filth in the streets of large U.S. cities. Great channel man. I see you and Bald got together.
Great vlog, Roman! Loving the tours.
if they made a proper park in that empty lot, wouldn't actually be that bad, looks better than that monster building
Genuinely enjoy these types of vid content of yours; some history, some super interesting info, some insight, some awesome visual shots.. drippinnn
These insanely huge russian neighborhoods feel like a fever dream to me. Or something I would build in Cities Skylines.
He said it is a separate city. It isn't St Petersburg!
Watching this channel makes me appreciate the states so much, great content!
Keep the bridges content coming
We used to hear references to "warehousing people" in reference to some tenements in New York City during the 70's and 80's. They were dismal, excessively large and tall, and clustered together like those you showed us there. They are without services anywhere nearby (except public transit in and out). I left but although occupied at the time I left NY, I think at least some of them were slated for demolition.
love the vlogs, there’s beauty in even the uglier districts
I appreciate you taking the time to film and explain certain cool cars you come across, I’d love if you kept doing that in future videos!
love the informative russian videos
I like the music that comes after your videos. Keep up the great work!
Glad you made it out alive. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.
Dale color, gringo 😂
Can you post some links to other Russian channels that speak English? Love learning about your countries. And your channel.
When roman is out in that field I half expect to see 3 dudes in gorkas and balaclavas playing guitar around a fire
*It's absolutely NOT Russia's most infamous hood. Hoods of Chelyabinsk for example are much more infamous.*
I wouldn't mind living in these kinds of places, but I wished they had more paths, trees and parks
So are we just going to pretend there wasn't someone standing there dressed as a gofer or chipmunk or whatever?
When?
@@felixb6 18:29 There's a mascot for whatever reason.
@@conyo985 that's just a random guy handing out advertisments for a shop of some kind, nothing unusual.
Those apartments look like what were called "projects" built in the inner cities in the U.S. back in the 60's and 70's for subsidized low income housing. Most of them became hell holes and a lot of them have been torn down.
There is actually a large difference. The US projects are social housing with subsidized rent for poor people. They turn to ghettos pretty fast because mostly consist of welfare getting deadbeats that havent worked for a day in their lives.
Places like Murino on the other hand are basically cheap condos with working people living there and paying mortgages for those units. Although it is still the cheapest property you can buy in Russia it has way better environment and residents than social housing.
@@PaulV. That’s a really ignorant summarization of the jects. I grew up there and so did most of my family, people work hard but you get trapped in a cycle of poverty with crime and drugs all around you. The projects are bad but calling everyone that lives there a deadbeat who doesn’t work is unfair
@@papaicebreakerii8180 As I see I ve written "mostly" and not "everyone". Ofc there are honest people there as well that as you ve said yourself are surrounded by drugs and crime.
@@PaulV. Varlamov (urbanist blogger) pointed 5 stages of how neighborhood like this turn into a ghetto. Basically, people who went there initially, eventually move to a places with better infrastructure and environment, and start to rent their apartments to some poor immigrants or some marginalized groups. Prices of the real estate start to go down, crime increase, which motivate even more people to move away until only the poorest remain.
@@Askhat08 yes that was his theory but it hasnt shown any practical results so far. Varlamov also insisted like 3 years ago that everyone who will buy apts in such buildings will lose money because they will go down in price. Instead currently such units cost twice more than in the moment he said that. People should stop inventing some "know-it-all" gurus for themselves and think with their own heads.
Hey, B&B... Good to hear from you!
Weeds, trash, vacant swampy lots - looks like my small city in Southern US. Minus high rises and beautiful walkways. I'm jealous of those. We walk in streets to avoid busted up and overgrown sidewalks.
I would love to see a review of some of the local restaurants in St. Petersburg, like top 3 places the locals get down at!!
You are in Murino, its 1:00 am and you see this 18:29
What you're going to do ?
Here's me, scrolling the comments to see if anyone else has noticed.
Ilya looks to happy to be in Roman's video. I think he was especially delighted by the mention of Chelyabinsk, probably knowing there was a comparison happening. He's a cute young guy, hopefully he can make his way out of Murino someday. I think it looks OK for a low-income town, but those monolithic buildings are too scary for me. Fun episode, Roman!
I was there for 1 month, walking at night, walking in Bugry, actually it is pretty nice place.
The field is nice :) But eventually it will be filled with new buildings.
Very cool video Roman :)
"babuushka, I brok televizor." - ronen miklanovich, Russian Federation, Murino, circa 1997.
Love how the neighbourhood is safe Monday to friday but on Saturday night it is dangerous. It’s almost as if there was an agreement in place for that too happen