I realized I have an incredibly bad typo on my first logical argument on the problem of evil. The conclusion should say "An all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing god does not exist." Not sure how that jumbled mess made it past me.
Well, unfortunately, and Generally Speaking, this's all just fruitlessly merritless in both the short run of things and in the long run of things, as you're just "creatively" "making" up theoretically hypothetical scenarios as you go along, and then, you're just naively believing and blindly assuming that they're all factually truthful statements and logically rational explanations as to why you're personally saying things such as that God (Iehovah.) Himself could be if not would be responsibly accountable for things such as Evil itself and that He should beneficially help people whenever they get themselves into messes because He's an Omni-(Benevolently.) All-(Loving.) God in and of itself in such an moronically idiotic way and in such an nimrodically stupid manner. (And this's w/h out any of The Common Senses and The Self-Awarenesses on any of these very things and matters and whether any of these very things and matters are even readily applicable to anyone if not everyone that realistically exists with Humanity, Reality, and Existence itself as of presently and concurrently in such an simple-mindedly narrow-minded fashion. (And, even then, I haven't even begun to critically judge any single other facet of your arguments and of those very examples and how and why they're all more often than not ridiculously nonsensical and illogically irrational in and of themselves, since you're more than just suggestively implying that people are guiltlessly innocent and wholeheartedly good, and you're just supportively hinging all of this on your own personal emotional feelings and your own personal subjectively biased perspective(s) w/h out verifiably proving any of this beyond a shadow of a doubt and far from irreason from any sort of intelligently competent standpoint(s) and from any type of objectively non-biased perspective(s) whatsoever. (Amongst many other things and matters.).).). - And, so, this's all just pointlessly useless and worthlessly meaningless to even actively do in both the short run of things and in the long run of things overall, and also, altogether.
God is like an abusive spouse. Beats on you, then says he loves you, maybe throws you a bone, than beats you again all the time telling you he loves you.. It’s even more egregious for the church goer. He beats you, claims to love you than you go into worship him, and he beats you again.
the only thing that needs to be said. no one, no matter how much explanation, can refute this. however, god may not be entirely evil as there exists some good in the world. but when measured side by side with full intellectual honesty- pain outweighs pleasure by a massive magnitude. hurts to admit. existence seems unnecessary in this kind of world. why not create a world free of pain, evil, suffering. why not create a world like so much of us desperately imagine in an afterlife- like heaven. i imagine all creatures would agree to this kind of world if they could. i know if i had the power to create this kind of world i’d do it in a heartbeat. but since none of us can…or only hope is to make the best of this imprisonment. and treat our fellow inmates with the utmost of respect and empathy.
Another thing is if God has a plan and everything that happens is according to his plan that means everything evil that has only happened because God planed it. Which shows that God plans evil things all the time.
Agreed, so I don't think everything that happens is according to God's plan, in fact, it has nothing to do with God. It just happened. So most people must have misunderstood somehow
God ISN'T evil. Yes I know God DOES has a plan for EVERYTHING. He ALLOWS (not do) evil most times for people to be able to tell testimonies. If the person dies and is born again, he or she goes to Heaven and lives with God for all eternity. If the person is not born again he goes to hell, (let me tell you how that isnt evil): God appears to EVERYONE but sometimes that person doesn't understand or doesn't take it seriously. Most times when someone preaches to(let's say the person's name is Luke) Luke and Luke doesn't take it seriously and then Luke travels on a plane but then the plane starts going down FAST. He starts calling down the name of God to save him. God wouldn't save him because Luke doesn't mean in HEART that he loves God. The Devil is the Prince of this world so it is the Devil that causes evil things to happen and not turn out good. But I'm telling you to watch the way you talk about God because he can destroy you because his love is so protective enabling revealing send a sudden sense of warmth and it gives you hope but his wrath... I'm not even going there.
And if god is all powerful and his plans are perfect. Why do we pray to change them every time something bad happens. Maybe humans have better morals than god?
The real problem of evil is that a perfect God who does not need anything existed in his perfectness, had the free will not create anything, knew that creation would cause evil to exist(and even people burning in hell forever like some Christians believe) but yet chose to create hence he is responsible for the existence of evil.
@@abgb9734serial killers have usually abnormal brain functions that mixed with a violent environment generate psycho killers, so you are not correct, we are similar to machines
God was also the police officer who took the rape victims report and says, " Oh yeah, I watched it happen, but I didn't want to violate the freewill of anybody involved." Great Video young man!
God allowed adam and eve to rebel at anytime he could of stopped satan from tempting eve but he didn't and he kicked adam and eve out of paradise. He also cursed the ground and to this day he hasn't removed the curse. Jesus dying on the cross has done nothing to stop all the evil is happening from this curse. While god and gets to be paradise while were in this hell of a world of problems. So much rape, drugs, suicides and other crimes terrible things because of the curse that was brought. He also a bit of a bogus answer to me is that he wants us to be like jesus so he allows all these terrible things to happen so we can be like his son what miserable way to to be. It doesn't seem to matter to god the level of pain he allows if he wants it he allows it. That's why there is so much siucide and other bad things is because people are trying to find an escape while this dud god does nothing.
In Hell billions of people are being tortured for eternity. This is the greatest evil ever conceived. For two thousand years no one has ever come up with a greater abomination. Not even our greatest minds.
it's really weird when you ask in prayer when it still God's plan to allow it or not. No matter how much you ask it's His call so why pray about it in the first place?
*My question to all God and Jesus believers will be...Why did your God not make a perfect world...why? If God loves us why would he watch us suffer...If we are his children why would he watch this happen...My Mother would never be a bystander*
God is not the source of evil.but what happen was we created with having free will.for example a thief he didn't born to be a thief but becouse of his decision or circumstances like growing with single mom or bad friends could make hem bad or good person .like wise we humans becouse of agreediness or bad desire we are responsible .for more information answer me back
He did create a perfect world. Adam and Eve ruined it. Yes God knew this stuff would happen and actually ordained it without causing anyone to sin, but they are still responsible. After he cursed the world everyone afterwards is born in sin and is naturally evil. Gods number one attribute is his Holiness ( we are so impure to him that by just being near in his presence we die), but not because he is bad, but because he is so good, its like going near to the sun, but he is also righteous, just and other stuff. Man is born naturally to rebel against God and hate him and his laws. We are all predestined for hell ( second death, he wont torture you forever). Jesus who is the second person of the trinity is the only one who managed to obey his Father perfectly. So why this whole thing? Well for his Glory ( God is a trinity so they do it for each other, when you are Saved, The Father says I do not save you for you, because you deserve to die just like anyone else, He saves you for his Son). He could've ended the whole operation the moment Adam and Eve sinned or Satan. But he planned to bring his Son into the world the whole time so anyone that believes in him will never die. Evil was created by God only to be destroyed.
srry im late but.. technically, if man is “sinful” by nature, and millions of humans are supposed to be damned to hell, then man never had a chance to get into heaven
Good video. It seems that if “God can’t intervene free will” is an argument as to why god doesn’t stop evil then the other side of that coin can’t be used to show god is good - god apparently leads blessed people to really great parking spaces or when someone DOES decide to take a different way home and finds out later there was a 10 car pile up they missed bc of it, god can not be credited with protecting them bc god doesn’t intervene their free will.
That's interesting. I hadn't thought of that. It seems that between your argument and my argument, god is either responsible for everything (including evil), or god is responsible for nothing (including good).
Skeptically Skeptical exactly. Or maybe even worse god has the power to do anything yet chooses to let awful things happen which oddly enough is where I think most Christians go to and end it with “but we will never understand God/god knows best” blah blah. I’d argue there are some pretty disturbing things that couldn’t possibly have a reason 🤷♂️
Also god likes to say all for the glory of god.What a rediclous narcissist of him to say that especially through unbearable rediclous problems he allows.
I TOTALLY AGREE with everything you've said and agree with your premises and conlusion. This was an excellent lecture! You really need to personally contact Seth Andrews, Dan Barker (he's an X-Pastor of 25 year's) and also contact Matt Dillahunty...his story is exactly like yours...he was a Fundamentalist Southern Baptist studying to be a preacher but went Atheist. Btw...there are many, many pastor's/minister's that have left Christianity for the same reasons we have. There are also MANY, MANY pastors/minister's who want out of Christianity and don't believe a word of the bible but they are stuck because it's the ONLY thing they know (it's the only job they know how to do with no other career skills with no other way to earn an income). They still keep preaching from an ancient, mythical, fictional book about a god that don't exist and these preacher's feel so guilty because they know they are being hypocrites but they are trapped and are very miserable! They may never be able to get out of the bondage and imprisonment of Christianity!
I feel like Christian’s can’t afford to acknowledge the idea that evil as a means to the end of personal development is the same as evil for evil’s sake because then they couldn’t personally and legitimately use abuse as a means to the end of compliance. For example, the church needs to make women feel responsible for their own rapes so that they can say the perpetrator is forgivable. I haven’t fully thought this out yet, but that’s what came to my mind as you were talking. It always seems that the victim is to blame for the sole purpose of exonerating the perpetrators who claim they are Christian. Btw, thank you for not avoiding the subject of rape. I left Christianity largely because of the Christian view of rape, and nobody would have a reasonable conversation with me because I’m “just angry.”
Your thoughts are also my thoughts on this issue. I've been very religious until I experienced very unjust things happening in my life and the one I am praying to is like a paralytic who can only look helplessly and grunt. The way it all works, there is really no "God". But because I want to blame somebody higher or stronger than I am, I wanted this god to exist so I can have someone to vent my anger on.
You can pray for anything, and it never happens. Give it a test run. You'll see for yourself. Jesus said pray and you will receive. It's not true. It isn't consistent with reality at all. There is no gods. All we have is now, and this life. Make the best of it.
If there is a god then he is an evil God. Like the original God was good but this evil one killed him and took over then he started killing the Egyptians with plaques
If you shift the whole narrative toward a more technological framework, you would find it logical and coherent that the individual concerning biblic stories was a colonizer from another world. And no, the plagues were not sent by Yahweh. It's a natural phenomena that the Israelites loved to give their elohim some credit for.
Also, isn’t the free will of the rape victim being postponed while they are being raped? So in a sense you could argue God grants the rapist even more free will than he does the victim.
first things first we have no true,way of knowing if god is even a real entity. on the flip side if he is indeed a real deity then he or it,is undeniably responsible for evil,and all of it’s chaotic consequences.
I just found this video and I have to say, thank you for a fantastic and compelling argument for the non-existence of god. Please don't mind if I use this line of reasoning in my arguments with Christians, cheers.
Great video, I really enjoy it. I tried to make sense of Christian God. And this what I come up with. For God, it matters not if you live or you die physically. Even Jesus experienced physical suffering and had to lost his life, and Christians view Jesus as the full image of God. So we have this 2nd premise, because we expect God to intervene since that what we will do if we are all knowing, all loving and all powerful. However God doesn't share the same view with us... maybe for God, dying n suffering are not such bad things.
Yeah, my argument certainly doesn't disprove the existence of a God. It just tries to show that the traditional view of God (all the omnis) is an inconsistent view. The Christian God would need to be thought of in a whole new way, and I personally think open theists do the best job of trying to answer the question.
I am curious where the traditional view of God come from. Do we interpret it correctly? Because our interpretation leads to conclusion that God is obligated to intervene when evil happen.
some christians simply respond by saying that god cannot be evil, as from his perspective, hes moving people from one plain of existence to another. thoughts? maybe i misunderstand their reasoning. anyway, great video!
YES YOU RIGHT GOD MAY NOT GIVE US WHAT WE WANT BUT ITS HIS PLAN HE IS BUSY MAKING STUFF HE DOES'T HAVE TIME FOR US RIGHT NOW HE IS HELPING OTHER HUMAN MAKING THERE FUTER TRYING FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAN FOR CRYING OUT LOU!!!
I know this God doesn't give a damn especially when he only talks to and help certain people. Christians excuse will be that you didn't hear him or y out juat gotta listen.
My issue seems to be with Premise #1 in that the description it gives of God is so simplistic that it fails to describe any God of any religion with the exception of a Deistic God. Now at the risk of being controversial, I take issue with the three classic Latin phrases of God. If someone asked me where in the Bible is God described I would point to Exodus 34:6. I would also maybe explain that we believe God is best known through the person of Jesus who is described in the eight beatitudes (Matthew 5) and the Hymn of Christ (Philippians 2). I would maybe point to the fruits of the Spirit as descriptions of God. So my issue is that if someone is going to critique a god of any religion, you have to begin by describing that God accurately, and I simply don't think the classic Latin phrases are an accurate way to describe the God of the Bible or really most gods of any religion. Now I am not trying to say that God isn't almighty or having all knowledge, but I am curious to know why in attempting to describe the Christian God those are the three things you choose? Why not choose the descriptions of wrathful, judging, and angry? Why not choose the descriptions of suffering, meek, and gentle? Those six things are also characteristics of God along with many more. I agree that if we hypothesis a God who is ONLY all-loving, all-knowing, and all-powerful then evil cannot exist, but that is certainly not a description of the Christian God or any God I seem to be aware of. Would love to hear your thoughts!
How do you determine what is evil? "My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line." - C.S Lewis
I don't believe evil and good actually exist. They're just perceptions of reality. Our experience of good and evil are real, sure, but good and evil themselves do not exist somewhere out there in the world. In this video, however, I assumed the Christian worldview and tried to show that if you believe in that type of God, it's inherently contradictory.
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, is that you believe morality is a social construct. If there is no objective morality then murder isnt wrong, its just your opinion.
@@bubblessword8090 Social and/or evolutionary, yeah. It doesn't really mean anything that it's subjective though. We can still build functioning societies, obviously. If you watch my video about critiquing the divine command theory, you'll see that theist morally is just as subjective as secular morality.
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Evolution is a series of reactions, if our thoughts were created from reactions, we are simply reacting and not reasoning. Therefore how can you trust your beliefs or anything you are thinking. We may know how morality exists through observation, but we don't know WHY things are moral, you would need a standard beyond what you have observed. As to my answer to the Euthyphro dilemma. Logically this is a false dilemma that offers a 2nd option, let me offer a 3rd; Moral acts aren't willed because they are good, or because they are willed by God. God is the standard of goodness, he doesn't make it up or use an existing standard, he is the standard. Thank you for your response, I enjoy constructive criticism :)
It depends on what we're trusting. I don't think we evolved to see the truth of the world, or the world "in itself". I believe we evolved to survive. That being said, if we're trusting our thoughts and actions to help us survive, I think we can definitely trust them. If we're trusting our senses to know the world in itself, I think that is just incorrect. I don't think we can know the world in itself. Therefore, we can define morality ourselves to be something like human well-being, like Sam Harris advocates for. Harris says morality is objective, but I disagree. I believe it's subjective, and I just don't really care if it's subjective. I don't see the relevance of it. We can still build functioning societies that help all of us survive better. And if we can't trust our thoughts and actions outside of surviving, then this would mean that there is no way to say anything about a God. You'd be truly agnostic, which I am. I would just say I am an agnostic atheist because I don't think we can have knowledge about a God, and I also don't have the active belief in a God.
They can proclaim freewill and excuse gods mystery all they like to ensure no falsifying criteria will touch them, but can you imagine if their deity DID go around saving devout worshippers, from random acts of tragedy, and preferentially alleviated THEIR suffering. It would have to show up as statistically significant correlation between their God belief and their exemption from suffering (grace?) Would they then all object, "OH No! That couldn't have anything to do with OUR God, he'd never mess with our freewill like that; besides he needs us to suffer to understand joy etc... blah blah blah!! Bollocks to that. They'd all be in there, slurping it right up like a kitten in a puddle of warm custard.
Hey Chase, You made some great point here. If I may, I'd like to join in on the conversation! If we are starting from the perspective of the Bible and how it describes God, good, and evil (as you began in this video), we must acknowledge that God's original plan did not include evil. Sin, and thus evil, entered into creation once man rebelled and chose to go against God's good created order. God's quick judgement of Adam and Eve's sin, as well as a promise of a redeemer in Genesis 3, should also show that evil was not meant to be. Though the question remains: Is God responsible to stop/remove any evil in the world (such as your example of someone being raped)? The Bible, and thus Christians, claims that God is all-loving, good, merciful, and just. Therefore, it should be expected that God would act justly and deal with evil. The Bible does contain such instances of judgment (and Ironically skeptics call these instances inhumane or evil!). Likewise, the Bible does claim that God will judge all of humanity and do away with all evil. I understand that does not help the rape victim you discussed in the here and now, but I don't think God does not intervene. Romans 13:4 states that God purposed governments to judge and deal with evil in the here and now. This would include the police officer's responsibility to stop the rape. Likewise, Christians are called to look after those who are down-trodden and those who are taken advantage of. Parents are supposed to take care of their children. Each of these things have been purposed by God for the good of humanity. To say he has done nothing to stop evil and thus he doesn't exist does not take into account what I have addressed nor does it make mention of the future events where all evil will be removed permanently. I'd love to hear your thoughts!
I don't even know your name but I have been brought to your video for a reason. I believe that you are a serious Truth seeker when you say that you would love to discuss (at least) this point. You really have two points here. 1) Is there a God or not. 2) IF there is a God why does He allow evil. I will try to be brief answering you, but even though the answers are easy enough for " the least among us" to understand & they are quite lengthy. I will start with my credentials that allow me to answer you properly (in Truth). In January 2008, God gave me a job description (given in a miraculous way) that says " I am sending you out by the power of My Spirit to Release those bound by Fear, to Proclaim Forgiveness, and to Show Love to ALL men". Ironically, I don't have to like you but it is necessary that I Love you. You don't have to love me (or God ) but it is necessary that I (and God) love you. God has also performed miracles through me with WITNESSES and many more without witnesses. I interact daily with God and He/She/It continues to show me miracles and grants me revelations. There is more but I hope that this suffices for now. Before God Created the physical Universe and us(His Spirit children) - He knew that He was God. In God's realm there is only KNOWING. This was not enough for God because He Desired to know what it FEELS like to be God. Feelings are only possible drom experiences and experiences are only possible in physicality . So God imagined a Plan on how this could be done. He Created the physical, metaphysical, and a Perfect System to realize His Plan which ultimately was to know what it FEELS like to be God. This is ehy you (we) are so precious to God. Now He could FEEL what it was like to be God IN, AS, and THROUGH His Spirit children. Yes, this states that you are God. It is only possible in the Truth that we are ONE in God. His Spirit children are pieces of God (made in His image). For further understanding, please view a short 14 min video on TH-cam called " The little soul and the Sun". I have had 5 year olds understand it. Most humans are at a level of evolution today ( of brain and soul) to allow understanding of God's Perfect System (God only does Perfect) which has reincarnation and Free Will as major components of the System. I will digress slightly here to make for an explanation. About 10 years ago I came across some writing that said "Only God judges me". I was immediately and STRONGLY urged by the Holy Spirit to respond to this and so we wrote " Wrong. God does not judge, nor condemn, nor punish. God is ONLY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. It is man who judges, condemns, and punishes. God is not cruel. It is man who is cruel". What man calls sin God calls mistakes and mistakes are not dealt with through punishment but are rather offered the opportunity (as many as is needed) for correction. This is a large part of what reincarnation is about. God's Desire is that ALL of His Spirit children eventually return to Him (Source). Under this reality I hope you can see tgat there's no such thing as a devil or a hell of fire and brimstone. There IS a hell, but it is one of our own creation right here on Earth - everytime that we turn away from God. The devil is an invention for the purpose of deflecting responsibility away from ourselves. Devil and hell were ( and still are) useful tools of Fear used by religious leaders in order to put the "Fear of God" into their followers in order to control them. " Even Jesus said " Woe unto ye Pharisees. You are supposed to lead the people to God". They didn't then and they don't NOW. A little bit now about Free Will which is tightly tied to EVIL. In Truth (in reality) there only exists Love (God) and Fear(all that is not God). EVERYTIME that you make a decision - you are either comming from a place of Love OR a place of Fear. It is Fear that is responsible for ALL evil. Human Beings are creatures of body and soul. Ego(from the physical brain) is who you 'think' that you are - a fear-based and fear-filled temporary entity. Soul is who you REALLY are - a fearless eternal loving entity. Love (soul) will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS do the right thing. Fear(Ego), however, confuses and paralyzes the mind AND is the source of ALL heartache and misery on the planet. It is rhe source of evil and it only exists because most people don't realize who they REALLY are. On the other hand, without the possibility of evil - we would not exist. Ego has a victim mentality. However, who we really are are creators, creators who have Free Will to create whatever we desire. Most people are not aware of who they REALLY are and the power that we have. We could literally stop earthquakes or floods or hurricanes with our power. " When 2 or nore are gathered in ny name". He also said "Why are you so amazed? These things and GREATER shall you do" People don't realize that WE have the power(as God's children) to choose, from Free Will, to create Heaven on Earth - EFFORTLESSLY. It's just a simple choise. God(Love) OR Ego (Fear). There is so much Fear in the world. Di you think that any country invades another out of Love or Fear. There's many many other examples from personal lives to world wide consequences. I have much more that I could tell you. Maby you have specific comments and/or questions. God would like EVERYONE to know "You have Me ALL wrong". I will use my job description as an example of 2 points here. I) God us not into Fear. You cannot Love that which you Fear. Love and Fear CANNOT co-exist. So make up your mind. Do you Love (and trust) God OR do you Fear Him)Her/ It. In the 17 years now of my very close intimate personal relationship with God, I have been a human who makes his fair share of mistakes(sin?) and yet God has shown me NOTHING BUT Love and Humor. 2) There is a very common misconception that God Commands. This is the exact opposite of the Truth. My job description was NOT a command but rather a request I KNOW that if I were to refuse - God would continue to Love me UNCONDITIONALLY. There is no such thing as the ten Commandments. God. What God did give us was His 10 COMMITMENTS. He says that if we are TRULY seeking Him then we will find that it is impossible to do anything mentioned in the so called commandments. Also, thanks to God's Perfect System, He will NEVER EVER interfere with our Free Will. To do so would be like throwing the proverbial monkey wrench into His Perfect System making it imperfect and this He will NEVER EVER do. God's Will shall be done - but He will NEVER EVER force you to. Iyr destiny is assured. We are ALL heading back to Source ( of this we have no choice) - but He will NEVER EVER force you to. Whether you know it or not, or like it or not, we are ALL in the most capable and loving 'hands' in all of existence. Bless you 🙏❤️. This is just a fraction of what "I" could tell you about the misconceptions of God (and the story of Jesus). I advise everyone to develop a personal relationship with God for yourself - with ALL of your heart, mind, soul, and strength. Then YOU can get the Truth straight from the horse's mouth. Any questions friend. Sorry (not really) for the length of this. I pray that you find it useful one way or another. I am here to serve.🙏❤️
God is the creator and as such, is responsible for all evils existing. Made them, power not to full stop. Or, God is the steward meaning they inherited it and suck. It’s one thing to have evil. Quite another to have billions of innocent creatures agonizingly die. Both are creator or bystander effect. Either of those While yes everything needs energy to live, at least crocodiles or some creatures try to end it quickly. God made your egg laying wasps or slow digestions. Pretty fucking painful. Humans, cuckoo birds, sure. Ants go to war and dogs can snap at each other over treats. Fine. Deserve painful deaths apparently. Taking 99% of all life out for being assholes, another half a percent for not really sapient of pain, and then half of that percent that gets the luxury of clean good deaths, a quarter of all life, human Earth to every planet in the cosmos. A quarter of a percent for just humans to show the context of numbers: 108 billion people throughout history. Two Hundred and Seventh Million. And that’s just showing with humans as the numbers. God has much more agonizing deaths throughout the cosmos. Ranging in billions or trillions of deaths on par with crucifiction. That isn’t bad happens. That’s a genocide of agony that no monster throughout history could ever hope to match. Natural evil. Doesn’t really have a need for hurricanes or anything.
As I was listening to this God gave me an answer: you are engaging in a logical contradiction when you say an all powerful God cannot permit evil and be loving at the same time. Since God can do anything He can do this. My prayer however is " take this cup away from me"
So you believe in a god that isn't bound by the laws of logic. A god that can both simultaneously exist and not exist. I'll pick the not existing version. As an aside there is no apologetic snake oil trope that will convince me that the depravity of Psalm 137 :9 is all loving, just and perfectly moral.
I used to be an abrahamic monotheist but have now become an agnostic polytheist and or a religious humanist because I just can not wrap my head around or understand stand the very very bizarre world abrahamic monotheism anymore ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
@@tribalgamer1737 For goodness sake anyone can do a little open minded research and easily discover that hell is nothing more than an unevidenced man made concept designed to keep the gullible sheep believing and paying their tithes. I no more fear hell than you fear being eaten by a fire breathing dragon.
It's embarassingly obvious that the subject depicted in the Old Testament is not God. That's just the character tailored on him by the exegetes who came later. The whole sequence of events suggest it's all a matter of the encounter between mankind with some species coming from off-planet, in possess of a higher technology and better knowledge. This hypothesis matches with accounts narrated by ancient cultures belonging from all continents. The Bible mainly speaks about one of them, the Elohim of the Israelites, who was a warmonger. That's why there's so much cruelty in that narrative. He was a despotic colonizer, a ruthless dictator and the covenant established between him and his subjects was clear: obey and I will protect you, betray me and I will exterminate you on the spot. There's nothing divine in those accounts. It just narrates the chronicles of a powerful individual equipped with advanced technology filtered by the undeveloped language featuring an extremely poor vocabulary in possess of the original authors who lived back then in that area. When you delve deep into the philological meaning of the words used to describe biblical events you easily find out that something isn't quite right and coincidences are one too many. Does God exist? In my opinion, if a divine entity, the Source of the Cosmos exists, the Bible does NOT speak about it. Search somewhere else. Biblical Elohim were conquerers, with all pros and cons. Peace ✌️
PRINCIPLE 1 The following is the order of the process of destiny 1) God's Knowledge (of the eternal past and future) 2) God's Recording (writing of destiny in His Book). 3) God's Will (for the events to happen) 4) God's Creation He knew it, then He wrote it, then He Willed it, and then He Created it Creation and fashioning Predestination and guidance All events, actions within the universe are a creation of God. The actions of the creation are created. However, the actions of God are 'uncreated' (i.e. divine). PRINCIPLE 2 God's Will is of two types: 1) general universal Will (same meaning as Will). Does not necessarily mean it is liked by God. For example, the disobedience and rebellion of Satan was already known by God before God created His creation. Because of His knowledge of what Satan would do, He had decreed such fate for him. The fate of Satan which God had decreed is for lessons to be extracted from, for indeed there is no evil except that good comes out of it later on. 2) Legislative Will. This is what God loves and wants (i.e. prefers. want can be defined as Will or Preference. In this context it is Preference) legally to happen. Does not necessarily mean it will happen. For example, God loves for all people in earth to believe in Him. But it doesn't mean that it will definitely happen. PRINCIPLE 3 Actions of God: 1) Preference/Bounty. Everything destined of good. E.g. God has destined that his righteous slaves worship Him on earth, because He loves it and prefers it. 2) Justice. Everything destined of evil. Not attributed to Him. E.g. God has decreed wrongdoing and sins to be committed, even though He hates it, in order to show to His creatures lessons to be learnt and examples to be made. Had there been no evil in the world, the people would never know the value of good. The entire universe is alternating between His Bounty, and His Justice. PRINCIPLE 4 If you cannot grasp the wisdom regarding something, then remember He is not questioned with regards to His actions while they the people are questioned. PRINCIPLE 5 Actions of the slaves are created, and they are responsible and accountable for them. God created for His slaves the ability, Will, body parts and Intellect. All of the causes leading to doing the action are created, thus the action itself is created. However, the action is done by the doer. Had there been a creation whom God chose to serve as His Deputy and Right Hand (it is not Jesus), then temporarily delegated His Divine Power and Authority to His Deputy for a particular task, at that particular moment in time, any action God's Right Hand would perform would be 'uncreated' (Divine). This is because His Right Hand would be doing what God Himself would have done (i.e. His Deputy would be deputising Him). The Deputy of God would be the only created being at God's side who's action can be Divine. PRINCIPLE 6 The actions of the people are controlled by the people, they have been given choice and Will. 3 proofs that mankind has free will: 1) Sending of messengers 2) Choice in worldly and religious affairs 3) The humans would never accept oppression to themselves under the excuse that it is "destiny". E.g. A person harms another person and then says "this was decreed by God" (Yes, technically, God had decreed this to happen because He knew that this person would use His free will to commit such an action. His infinite knowledge qualifies Him to decree the fate of everything in existence). PRINCIPLE 7 Predestination is used to prove calamities and trials, but not to prove sins and mistakes. Only after repentance can predestination be used to prove and justify past sins. NOTES The recording of destiny is done in order for God to show parts of it to whomever He wishes from His creation (the angels). Whatever information the angels possess is subject to change, while whatever is in the Preserved Tablet (the book in which destiny is written) never changes (i.e. the result).
You`re talking about ordinary people and now, for a second, look at the lives of Christians saints. They were killed in the most agonizing ways possible. God didn`t even lift a finger to save them.
Hello friend, I have been looking at you for several weeks and the truth is that you have answered many questions that I had about Christianity and the Bible, I hope you do very well and continue with more interesting videos. I would love for you to answer this question, and that is that in my search about Christianity, you know, if it is true or not, I found many videos of people who strongly and eloquently defend that the Gospels are reliable historical sources, which seems to increase The odds that the center of Christianity is true (life and resurrection of Jesus), why does this happen? How would you answer?
Jesus died for our sins so that we can have eternal life, He was without sin, that’s why He had to die for us, who are with sin. Please ask God in prayer for answers, He lives and loves you so much❤️
Got the HOOEY out of here with your BOOK of LIES, FILTH, Contradictions and YWH COMMANED VIOLENCE and THE VIOLENCE HE DID. Oh also your BOOK is mostly Plagiarism. SO please KEEP your YWH
Well if you are the one who made everything then obviously you are to blame for everything wrong with your everything, especially if you are going to take credit for everything that happens to be right about your everything.
@@downenout8705 humans do most of the evil in this world and the other things earthquakes and all that is just nature its sucks thats just part of life people live and die thats how the world works.
@@macmillan5949I don't know about you, but I am primarily concerned with natural evil. For example, all sorts of mutations, genetic diseases, infections, parasites, cancer, etc. That's the point - God sets the laws for how the world works. He is to blame.
I think your premise 2 should be modified as apologetics can claim evil is not an ontological entity, but an event or action. So actions dont really exist, they are what things that exist do. So you can rephrase as follows: evil either exists or it happens
@@deaddragon2371 That does not make sense either. If life was simply good, we would not have an experience of good. The only reason we can say something is good or bad is because we can distinguish between the two. We really can't have one without the other. So it would necessarily be neither good nor bad.
So, you can't make this argument without it being emotional. Why not do away with the present reality at once? These are not answers we can give. The reality is that, based on the present version of Christianity, God cannot be judged by us. Everything being done now is according to his will, somehow. God is always right, according to Christianity. Your analogy about the drunk driver, why not give the driver diarrhea so he does not go out? We cannot but view things in hindsight and postulate forward. We do not know what God is in his entirety.
If we don't know what god is, then that god is not all powerful, as an all powerful god should easily be able to make itself understood by the very beings that it supposedly designed and created.
If we can leave god out of this life we would at least know how to deal with the world! Cuz bringing god into every question and argument seems to complicate the issue more than it's! Reality destroys all the claims and attributes religions attached to god!
I know this is an old video and you may not be watching the comments anymore, but just in case you are I thought I would comment. I happened on your videos because I was looking for videos of people that walked away from Christianity for a series I am doing in the Sunday School class I teach which is for Middle School. First, I would like to preface this with this statement. It is not up to me to convince anyone what I believe. I can only speak about what I believe, and it is up to others to decide as each of us are individually accountable for what we believe and our actions. I have only seen two of your videos but that seems to be your approach. My thoughts on what you said are these. And I will try to keep some concise because I know it is hard to debate in a chat like session when so many people respond. God did not create Evil.It is the absence of good. Much like light and darkness. You have light, and you have the absence of light. You don't create darkness. God in the beginning gave one command (not to eat of the tree). God gave moral laws for everyone to live by. Breaking those laws is disobedience to God. Anything that goes against the order God put in place is destructive. For example, if you see that kerosene is cheaper than gasoline and put it in your car, the car will not function as designed and if you took it to the dealership they would not honor any warranty due to not following the documentation on how the car functions. Now, do I really understand how that actually works? No. I don't understand how Adam and Eve had the free will to disobey, but when Jesus returns and those who have chosen to accept his punishment for their wrongs and can enter heaven will never do wrong again but still have free will. There are a lot of things about good and evil and sin and disobedience that I don't understand at a root level. If there is no God or creator of the universe that puts laws, both physical and moral, in place then there really is no good or evil. We are just a bag of cells walking around making decisions based on a set of chemical reactions in our brain. Nothing more. And to that extent, we cannot be held morally accountable for anything we do. But as a society we can dictate what is prefered and not prefered and put consequences to them. If you say there is evil, then you have to infer there is a creator that dictates what is right and wrong. If you design a board game, you as the creator get to dictate the rules of the game. Your premises are not new and have been debated for many, many years as I am sure you know. And have been logically answered numerous times. The freedom of each person is to decide what to believe or not believe. But you do provide some very good examples in a way I have not heard before and honestly, I had to think through them for a while before responding. I would like to focus on your overall comment of why does God not stop Evil? Which evil do you want him to stop? Do you want him to stop what you think to be evil? What a society thinks to be evil? Or what God says is evil? I ask this because I believe this to be a fundamental question to your logic that needs answered in order to lay a foundation that we can agree on a debate from. If an individual or society then where do we draw the line between evil and really, really evil? If you truly want God to stop evil, and only God can dictate what is evil, then you are asking God to stop" Murder Rape Sex outside of marriage Adultery Stealing Abortion Lying - God would compel you beyond your will to always speak the truth every time, in every situation. Putting God first - in relation to the first commandment 'You shall have no other gods before me' God would pretty much force everyone, all the time to do good. I really appreciate your openness on your path and your honesty in your views. I have always felt that is God is real and the Bible is true then that truth will always stand and this is why I take things like this and present to my Sunday School class. If I truly believe the Bible then I don't want to hide from any comments someone may have about it. And I don't want to hide that from my class. They have to decide for themselves what to believe and I really believe that.
what a bunch hooey. Your BOOK and YWH are MONSTERS. I read all your UNHOLY BOOK and know it ALL. Youe BOOK of Plagiarism, FILTH, Contradictions, and UTTER VIOLENCE COMMANED and DONE by YWH. Your BOOK is MADE UP and so YWH and anyone who has read it and didn't quit is a MORAL MONSTER. THAT'S ALL FOLKS. Hey tell you what my teacher is christendimb2 go and try this stuff on him he knows more than I do. Let me know.
King James Version 17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. The god of the bible is a hypocrite. He holds humanity to a higher standard than what he is capable of doing
This is False teaching. I agree with you on the part that we all have a free Will. But the other part you are failing to understand is that God do still warn us all before we do something that is evil. But we as people refuse to listen to God, Instead we do what we want to do. For example when a person is about to rape someone. God warn them over and over through their conscious or even warn them through a person. God do intervene by warning us. Mankind is the problem,, we all love sin more than we love God who is Holy. In its not just people who rape this also goes for people who lie, steal, murder, even envy and jealousy is a form of hate. Gossip and disobedience all of these hurt others as well. We all did something wrong. We living in a wicked world were mankind choose to do evil rather than Good God do intervene and still does, we just don't listen to his warnings and corrections. Jeremiah 17:23. Jeremiah 25:4-7
Lmao the cop would not be held responsible based on Warren vs dc. Not saying that the cop isn't responsible just pointing out the similarity of misjustice between cops and god
This can't be serious? OK, so is the world you want one where A People are robots or B People are immediately sent to hell the moment they desire to sin?
…or C harm to innocent people is dealt with justly by a supposedly "omnipotent" power with the ability to do so while retaining peoples' choice. BUT HIMSELF CHOOSES NOT TO. You missed the videomaker's point almost entirely.
@@itsallpointless Yeah, no, God actually does judge people. I guess you haven't read the Bible or talked to any Christians. You must mean you want sin judged immediately? Let's see, what is the punishment for sin, I forget, maybe it's in the Bible somewhere? Try to think BEFORE you post next time.
@@jeffmoreau6844 you have missed the point entirely. Deflecting action into another unproven realm is the biggest handwave ever. Even worse than the policeman in the example who saw the woman being raped but then just shrugged his shoulders saying… "meh, the judge will deal with it" … Before allowing the attacker to continue Dismal attempt at a response. And typical holier-than-thou attitude as well which was one of the things i always noticed in these hypocrital people
@@itsallpointless This is so embarrassing. I can't even believe you can't muster half a watt of brain power to understand why you are making such a horrible argument. Since God is patient, doesn't want people sent to hell or for them to be worthless, and has thought about this problem for more than a millisecond, all things that contrast with you, He doesn't do incredibly stupid things like remove all responsibility from humanity. Yes, He gives human beings RESPONSIBILITY. He doesn't send them to hell or treat them like morons, no, he gives them the opportunity to do good things like their lives, which is why you innately think it's bad for a policeman to shrug. I say innate because it isn't something you actively thought about. But no, your solution is for nanny God to step in and make sure everything is taken care of. Maybe He'll also give you a bib and a sippy cup and make sure you don't spill on yourself. In case you didn't get the point, your solution is either 1. God sends everyone to hell instantly upon sin or 2. God treats everyone like a whiny child, which will make them complacent and entitled, i.e. very sinful, then guess what happens? Obviously, you have thought this through exactly none, just like religion generally and probably life as a whole, which is why you are an atheist. Now leave adults alone until you learn to read
@@jeffmoreau6844 Ah yes, being responsible while getting threatened by a robber. Of course God doesn't just want to step in an make the pistol malfunction ‒ ha! ‒ that would just make him a nanny treating whiny children (being shot and dying in excruciating pain). Of course they have to learn lessons! Where would we get if nobody was infected with eye-eating worms?
you cannot have good without evil. Just like you cannot have hot without cold. Everything in physical reality requires a dynamic. You cannot know a thing or an experience without being able to compare it to something else. The only way you know what tastes “good” is because you have experienced something that was “not good”. God is personified as a father in the Bible. I’m a father. Your “problem of evil” argument is like me saying “I won’t bring a child into this world because I know they will get hurt, they will make mistakes and experience failure and sadness and struggles and rejection.” That’s your view of God, that God cannot be “good” because the reality God created contains these “evil” things. But in order for there to be any physical reality whatsoever, these “evil” things are 100% inevitable and literally required for anything “good” to exist. You cannot have love without the opposite of love. Things are not only defined by what they are, but also by what they are not. I would argue that you are enjoying this created reality, so your “problem of evil” doesn’t appear to be as much of a problem as you claim. Because you always have the option to exit the reality that you claim is so atrocious and awful. Saying “there cannot be an omnipotent, omniscient, and all loving God, because this reality is so twisted, evil, and disgusting.” makes no sense because you’re still here choosing to participate in it. Which begs the question as to why? Is it because you have enough doubt as to what might be on the other side? Or is it that you’re ultimately comfortable and happy enough to keep experiencing this glorious and amazing reality? No matter how hard we strive to extend our years, this physical experience could end at any moment. The questions “is there a God? Is Jesus the way?” will be answered for every single person. You can argue for annihilation, which atheists often do, to which I would argue then why not go ahead? There’s something to this life that you’re committed to continuing. That discussion is where the honesty is.
So heaven must be brim full of evil if good cannot exist without evil. Also god's creation was supposedly existing quite happily without evil before all that apple eating nonsense. Finally an all powerful god could easily have given mankind an innate sense and understanding of evil without actually giving babies cancer.
How about cutting all that crap stories people made up and deal with this reality as it's. If there's anything we can do will be is to search for how we came here and for what and who the hell brought us here.
@@madeline_raine_sings4649 Im asking the moral compass of non religious people. Because, seriously, we cant prove that stealing is bad for an atheist big deal mafia.
Commendable presentation, thank you. I do believe you're on the right path of reasoning; however, it's still rather opaque & seems to involve unstated implicit assumptions that a proponent of the God of classical theism can reasonably reject. I'd like to present a transparent syllogism, then articulate the reasoning for each premise. It is a species of the logical problem of evil. The necessity here is one of logical entailment, such that to deny it would lead the theist to a contradiction. I should warn you, a basic understanding of modal discourse will be required. 1. Omni-benevolence entails permitting the most perfect world possible to obtain. 2. Necessarily, if God is omni-benevolent, God will permit the most perfect world possible to obtain 3. The most perfect world is one with no imperfections, to which its perfection could not be increased. 4. God is perfect- and necessarily omni-benevolent & omnipotent 5. Therefore a world where God alone exists is perfect by definition, since nothing can increase or add to its perfection. 6. The world where God alone exists is a possible world. 7. Therefore God would necessarily permit a world where he alone exists to obtain. 8 A world where God exists alone does not obtain. 9 Therefore God does not exist 1- follows from a definition of omni-benevolence. It does not necessarily by itself entail a perfect world. Theists tend to say 'possible' entails only what is logically possible- so maybe God can't logically eliminate all suffering/evil/imperfection in order to achieve some higher Good/perfection, if that good/perfection is achieved then God in permitting it is not acting contra his omni-benevolence. 2- Follows if the most perfect possible world is something God can actually bring about. Given his omnipotnece entails bringing about all logically possible worlds, the only question is- is the world sans (without) creation possible? Yes (most theists think it actually obtained prior to creation). 3- I think this is pretty trivially true. A world lacking imperfections is presumably perfect. One could argue an empty world lacks imperfections, but is not perfect. But non existence is assumed to be an imperfection, so that doesn't follow. 4&5- God being perfect seems definitional to God. He is that which nothing greater than can be conceived, devoid of deficiency, possessing all the perfections. A world where God exists is by definition devoid of imperfections. Added to this, nothing permitted by God could add to its perfection- it could only ever add gratuitous imperfections. God could not justify that permittance by claiming to achieve some higher good or perfection, since by definition there could be none without suggesting a lack of perfection in the world prior to his permittance, which is to say that God alone is lacking a perfection, whcih entails he is imperfect, which is a contradiction.] 6- Again, it is clearly possible for God to permit a possible world where he alone exists. Many theists believe he did just this prior to creation. To suggest otherwise seems to suggest either such a world is logically impossible, or God is not omnipotent. The latter is clearly impossible for God, the former is clearly wrong. 7- This follows from the above premises. Essentially, what God's omnipotence/omni-benevolence entail is that God would only permit a world where he alone exists. Perhaps you want to appeal to his freedom- but that would only be a freedom to permit gratuitous suffering. Whilst God may have that power, he would no more exercise it than he would commit an act of wanton evil, or an unjustifiable lie. Perhaps the response will be that in creating a world with free agents God is adding some value that did not already exist. But this commits you to the view that a perfect world can be lacking a value- that would of course be an imperfection. Or that God existing alone is not a perfect world. Given God is co-extensive with that world (as it contains nothing else) this implies God is not perfect, which runs into similar problems. 8- is obvious given we are having this conversation. 9- this follows because God has clearly failed to permit a world where he alone exists to obtain. Given God can not fail in this and given God's omnibenevolence entails this is what he would do, we can conclude that no perfect being with the attributes of omnipotence/omnibenevolence could possibly exist and the world exists. Given the world exists, then it is impossible for such a being to exist. These attributes are essential to God, therefore God can not exist.
We all like to define evil as something someone else does. Such as "imagine another guy raping a woman". No one asks the question - What doesn't God stop all the evil I do? Why doesn't God do justice every time I lie, steal, lust etc. Well, then we all have our justifications about our "mistakes". I am not judging anyone, just mentioning what wiser people have said. God does not have to answer any of our questions. We commit evil and then we find clever ways to hold God responsible. God has provided a solution for Evil. He wants to be a loving Father. When we love him as Dad, we realize He CHOSE to love each one of us, the "Good" ones and the rapists, hoping that His son or daughter will see their wickedness and run to Him for mercy. As an Atheist.. You do not have that Dad.
I don't expect God to answer any of these questions, but I love having conversations with Christian apologists who are willing to attempt to answer them. This is not just about evil, this is also about God's supposed unconditional love for humans. How can he claim to love us while allowing some of us to be sexually assaulted, allowing children to burn to death in school fires. It isn't just about stopping evil it's about treating humans as if he actually loves us. Helping us all out of dire situations that we didn't inflict upon ourselves and that we didn't even know was going to happen. If he loves us why does he only help some of us and not others.
@@tamarasmith1706 There's a very simple answer to your question. There will come a time when evil no longer exists. This is (NOT) that time. But when the time comes, there will no longer be any more ("dire situations") as you put it because evil will have been done away with. But here's one thing for you to keep in mind. When that time actually does come, it will be done in God's time frame, not ours. The bible puts it like this. God will let good and bad grow together until the end. At that point He will separate the good from the bad and evil will be done away with. But again... This is (NOT) that time.
@Tessa C I'm not going to read all that. I don't blame God for sin, I blame him for every instance where he knows about it, is able to stop it and does nothing to help.
@Tessa C You should be pitying yourself. You serve a spirit who watches murder and rape, is able to stop it and allows it to happen anyway. Imagine if you were married to a human being who does sh!t that!! You're married to Jesus. You should be worried about yourself.
God created Lucifer and Lucifer chose evil (which is essentially disobeying God). God knew what Lucifer would become (Satan) but he still went thru with all of it knowing he would redeem humanity by suffering and dying for humanity. He didn't have to go thru with any of it. But he did and we now have the chance to live with God for eternity if we choose that. Pain and suffering is how God develops Christ like character in us. There is a purpose for it. It also creates a need for God. Without it humans would choose to worship and depend on themselves.
Why do you call evil good and good evil? God is light and in him there is no darkness. What is written on your heart that you equate the Holy Spirit with evil? How can Satan cast out Satan? A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. Quit blaming god for what people do with their free will. Do the healthy need a doctor? No but the sick do. Neither did the son of man come for the righteous but to lead sinners into repentance.
So what about the innocent that suffer daily. Honest question what do you tell them. Did they have free will over what happened to them. The slain, the abused, the defiled honestly would you say the same to them what do u tell them what would be their response to something like that
God lets suffering happen, to break us, so we call for him, and realise, how big his love is. Rape or even torture compared to hell is nothing. So if God, would really love us, he would give us chances, to call for him, so he would save us from hellfire. Thats love. If God was not all loving, he would send us straight to hell, because we actually deserve it. Everybody sined in there live. God has nothing to do with sin, the darkness is seperated from him. If God was not all loving, he would let us live in the illusion, have a perfect live in sin, without any suffering or you call it evil, but wher would that lead us? That would lead us to hell, because we are sinfull from nature.
God created us, in his image, and he saw it was good. An all knowing God let Adam and Eve sin in the Garden of Eden then punished all mankind for that sin, made life hard, pain in childbirth, weeds to make growing food hard. Destroyed all but a handful of humans in a flood to wipe out sinfulness for Moses was a righteous man-except original sin continued through and after him. Rape and torture is tremendously evil yet with all the suffering in the World God feels the need to punish people forever in never ending fire. God has not stopped child sex trafficking, the Holocaust, the Inquisition- in fact he created evil. Sort of like the father who abuses his child all day long then at the end of the day yells from the other end of the house, “ I love you!”
The same God, who sent his only begotten son to die for our sins. Can you say, that you did not sin in your life? We deserve hell, but God is so mercyfull, that he gives us plenty of chances to turn around. Please read the bible and notice how often god gives the people chances.
What type of loving God creates hell fire in the first place? So we were created to deserve hell? Saying a life of rape and torture is justifiable is evil. Wouldn’t God want people who really, genuinely loved him to come to him rather than because they are afraid of hell?
@@JohannesKapitel3Vers36 If he’s so Merciful, Why did he need to Sacrifice his Son to Forgive people’s Mistakes and for them to Deserve to live for Eternity? Idk sounds like something a Cult Leader would do. Even Satan isn’t that Evil.
It is sad to read and listen to all of this. You judge Him according to your justice, knowledge, and experience of life. I am horrified by your thoughts. You do not have any respect, love, and fear of Him. GOD is GOD. Who are you to judge him? Yes, there is evil in this evil and rotten world. Yes, It is unfair. All of us desire justice, love, and peace. I want it too. But you blame Him. How dare you? He created you! I see Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit saying: "Look! he is coming. Look! how he is beautiful!". I say this to you because I know how GOD feels listening to ALL of this. You know very well that he listens. He will judge you. I warn you, every word will be counted on The Judgment Day. EVERY SINGLE WORD, which will condemn you into the Hell for Eternity. Let's talk about evil. You say that God is responsible for it. You are completely wrong! He is not responsible for any evil thing. You do not know what the reality is! There are things that you will not understand and will never comprehend. Let me ask you a question. Do you know who is "God" of the Earth is right now? If you know the answer, I guarantee that all your mental strongholds will be tiered down. All of them, because you are swimming in a pool of theories, philosophies, and other things that want to blasphemy the name of God. Only this. Think about this! I know that you do not believe in Jesus. But please Ask Jesus. He is the only one who can help you. May the grace and kindness of Jesus show you the way of truth.
As a Christian myself I KNOW for a fact God is responsible for evil. He created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil knowing good and well Adam and Eve were going to disobey and cause chaos in the human race. Same with Lucifer. He knew Lucifer was going to rebel and created him anyway. God is responsible for evil and no God is NOT good all the time. His glory often times comes at the expense and misfortune of others. Most Christians live in delusion and want to give God a pass on everything including his contribution to evil.
Yes, exactly, God chose Lucifer to be in second in command and gave him "free will", Lucifer just exercise his free will, of course i am not saying he did choose evil but in a free will there is no good or bad, it's do whatever you like, and then lucifer choose evil path and God blame him lmao, why did he put him in that position in the first place? did he not know he was going to do the evil? God is evil. This kinda thing also happen in real life, many people did not do anthing when bad things happen, when someone is prideful and mean to others they will say oh he can back it up he or she can be prideful. and when they see someone who they deem not being able to be prideful they pounce on them.
I realized I have an incredibly bad typo on my first logical argument on the problem of evil. The conclusion should say "An all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing god does not exist." Not sure how that jumbled mess made it past me.
Well, unfortunately, and Generally Speaking, this's all just fruitlessly merritless in both the short run of things and in the long run of things, as you're just "creatively" "making" up theoretically hypothetical scenarios as you go along, and then, you're just naively believing and blindly assuming that they're all factually truthful statements and logically rational explanations as to why you're personally saying things such as that God (Iehovah.) Himself could be if not would be responsibly accountable for things such as Evil itself and that He should beneficially help people whenever they get themselves into messes because He's an Omni-(Benevolently.) All-(Loving.) God in and of itself in such an moronically idiotic way and in such an nimrodically stupid manner. (And this's w/h out any of The Common Senses and The Self-Awarenesses on any of these very things and matters and whether any of these very things and matters are even readily applicable to anyone if not everyone that realistically exists with Humanity, Reality, and Existence itself as of presently and concurrently in such an simple-mindedly narrow-minded fashion. (And, even then, I haven't even begun to critically judge any single other facet of your arguments and of those very examples and how and why they're all more often than not ridiculously nonsensical and illogically irrational in and of themselves, since you're more than just suggestively implying that people are guiltlessly innocent and wholeheartedly good, and you're just supportively hinging all of this on your own personal emotional feelings and your own personal subjectively biased perspective(s) w/h out verifiably proving any of this beyond a shadow of a doubt and far from irreason from any sort of intelligently competent standpoint(s) and from any type of objectively non-biased perspective(s) whatsoever. (Amongst many other things and matters.).).). - And, so, this's all just pointlessly useless and worthlessly meaningless to even actively do in both the short run of things and in the long run of things overall, and also, altogether.
God is like an abusive spouse. Beats on you, then says he loves you, maybe throws you a bone, than beats you again all the time telling you he loves you.. It’s even more egregious for the church goer. He beats you, claims to love you than you go into worship him, and he beats you again.
Sounds like my earthly dad
More like a evil ghost 👻
It lies to you then when you don’t believe in it, and then it’s like OK, no, it’s your time to suffer…
i totally agree
Sounds like a lover that desperately needs to get ditched
Being All-powerful and allowing evil to exist is an evil in itself.
Absolutely well said
💯💯👍👍
@@sariahlace5944 Well no, you're both wrong.
However, the way in which dude does it in the Bible, yea. Definitely evil
Like someone playing with you like in the fucking Sims… Break free from the matrix
No doubt
the only thing that needs to be said. no one, no matter how much explanation, can refute this. however, god may not be entirely evil as there exists some good in the world.
but when measured side by side with full intellectual honesty- pain outweighs pleasure by a massive magnitude. hurts to admit. existence seems unnecessary in this kind of world. why not create a world free of pain, evil, suffering.
why not create a world like so much of us desperately imagine in an afterlife- like heaven. i imagine all creatures would agree to this kind of world if they could. i know if i had the power to create this kind of world i’d do it in a heartbeat. but since none of us can…or only hope is to make the best of this imprisonment. and treat our fellow inmates with the utmost of respect and empathy.
Another thing is if God has a plan and everything that happens is according to his plan that means everything evil that has only happened because God planed it. Which shows that God plans evil things all the time.
Yep. If God truly plans everything out, that God seems pretty evil.
Agreed, so I don't think everything that happens is according to God's plan, in fact, it has nothing to do with God. It just happened. So most people must have misunderstood somehow
God ISN'T evil. Yes I know God DOES has a plan for EVERYTHING. He ALLOWS (not do) evil most times for people to be able to tell testimonies. If the person dies and is born again, he or she goes to Heaven and lives with God for all eternity. If the person is not born again he goes to hell, (let me tell you how that isnt evil): God appears to EVERYONE but sometimes that person doesn't understand or doesn't take it seriously. Most times when someone preaches to(let's say the person's name is Luke) Luke and Luke doesn't take it seriously and then Luke travels on a plane but then the plane starts going down FAST. He starts calling down the name of God to save him. God wouldn't save him because Luke doesn't mean in HEART that he loves God. The Devil is the Prince of this world so it is the Devil that causes evil things to happen and not turn out good. But I'm telling you to watch the way you talk about God because he can destroy you because his love is so protective enabling revealing send a sudden sense of warmth and it gives you hope but his wrath... I'm not even going there.
And if god is all powerful and his plans are perfect. Why do we pray to change them every time something bad happens. Maybe humans have better morals than god?
@@mikkoruuska2018 We're not even supposed to pray to change them. That's just wrong.
"Religion makes perfect sense, if you don't think about it!" - George Carlin
Absolute truth
It could be a great joke 😂 because it's true!
The real problem of evil is that a perfect God who does not need anything existed in his perfectness, had the free will not create anything, knew that creation would cause evil to exist(and even people burning in hell forever like some Christians believe) but yet chose to create hence he is responsible for the existence of evil.
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God is not responsible for the bad thing that happen on us becouse we have the right to choose bad or good have free will. We are not a robot
@@abgb9734this is what you call gaslighting lol good try though.
@@abgb9734serial killers have usually abnormal brain functions that mixed with a violent environment generate psycho killers, so you are not correct, we are similar to machines
Sin and redemption is literally 50% of the book how do you not understand the struggle is your salvation
God was also the police officer who took the rape victims report and says, " Oh yeah, I watched it happen, but I didn't want to violate the freewill of anybody involved." Great Video young man!
😂😂😂IKR, God a mysterious man.
Your forgetting that he made heaven for people who just do good and believe in him what’s 80 years vs forever
God allowed adam and eve to rebel at anytime he could of stopped satan from tempting eve but he didn't and he kicked adam and eve out of paradise. He also cursed the ground and to this day he hasn't removed the curse. Jesus dying on the cross has done nothing to stop all the evil is happening from this curse. While god and gets to be paradise while were in this hell of a world of problems. So much rape, drugs, suicides and other crimes terrible things because of the curse that was brought. He also a bit of a bogus answer to me is that he wants us to be like jesus so he allows all these terrible things to happen so we can be like his son what miserable way to to be. It doesn't seem to matter to god the level of pain he allows if he wants it he allows it. That's why there is so much siucide and other bad things is because people are trying to find an escape while this dud god does nothing.
All this could have been avoided if God just made only good or intervene and changed the way Adam and Eve turned out and not punish them so cruelly
Wonder if your actually right and worth it anymore to praise such a god.
A JW will give a very irresponsable answers
You can’t be one emotion and have free will 🙏😹
If the Abraham God is real he's like Frieza. I'm just so happy that my generation is finally waking up to the nonsense that our parents gave us.
In Hell billions of people are being tortured for eternity. This is the greatest evil ever conceived. For two thousand years no one has ever come up with a greater abomination. Not even our greatest minds.
it's really weird when you ask in prayer when it still God's plan to allow it or not. No matter how much you ask it's His call so why pray about it in the first place?
It enjoys suffering that's why We are created
*My question to all God and Jesus believers will be...Why did your God not make a perfect world...why? If God loves us why would he watch us suffer...If we are his children why would he watch this happen...My Mother would never be a bystander*
God is not the source of evil.but what happen was we created with having free will.for example a thief he didn't born to be a thief but becouse of his decision or circumstances like growing with single mom or bad friends could make hem bad or good person .like wise we humans becouse of agreediness or bad desire we are responsible .for more information answer me back
He did create a perfect world. Adam and Eve ruined it. Yes God knew this stuff would happen and actually ordained it without causing anyone to sin, but they are still responsible. After he cursed the world everyone afterwards is born in sin and is naturally evil. Gods number one attribute is his Holiness ( we are so impure to him that by just being near in his presence we die), but not because he is bad, but because he is so good, its like going near to the sun, but he is also righteous, just and other stuff. Man is born naturally to rebel against God and hate him and his laws. We are all predestined for hell ( second death, he wont torture you forever). Jesus who is the second person of the trinity is the only one who managed to obey his Father perfectly. So why this whole thing? Well for his Glory ( God is a trinity so they do it for each other, when you are Saved, The Father says I do not save you for you, because you deserve to die just like anyone else, He saves you for his Son). He could've ended the whole operation the moment Adam and Eve sinned or Satan. But he planned to bring his Son into the world the whole time so anyone that believes in him will never die. Evil was created by God only to be destroyed.
You are absolutely right. If it's god's plan,then there's no free will.
Pls reply so that I know u read my comments.
Free will, redemption from sin and heaven , multiple times god says the struggle is your salvation
srry im late but..
technically, if man is “sinful” by nature, and millions of humans are supposed to be damned to hell, then man never had a chance to get into heaven
Good video. It seems that if “God can’t intervene free will” is an argument as to why god doesn’t stop evil then the other side of that coin can’t be used to show god is good - god apparently leads blessed people to really great parking spaces or when someone DOES decide to take a different way home and finds out later there was a 10 car pile up they missed bc of it, god can not be credited with protecting them bc god doesn’t intervene their free will.
That's interesting. I hadn't thought of that. It seems that between your argument and my argument, god is either responsible for everything (including evil), or god is responsible for nothing (including good).
I like the premise: God is responsible for nothing, except for the thing that he intervenes
Skeptically Skeptical exactly. Or maybe even worse god has the power to do anything yet chooses to let awful things happen which oddly enough is where I think most Christians go to and end it with “but we will never understand God/god knows best” blah blah. I’d argue there are some pretty disturbing things that couldn’t possibly have a reason 🤷♂️
@@nightmaresocietyradio1650 this is what I wonder about.
But he's responsible for the creation of everything, pain included.
Also god likes to say all for the glory of god.What a rediclous narcissist of him to say that especially through unbearable rediclous problems he allows.
The bible makes more sense if you switch God and the devil.
From the christian worldview there is the devil below and the devil above
God is a construct of mankind - that construct in offering omnipotence can only ever be evil!
This so-called god intervened plenty of times in the bible, so what's the problem now?
I TOTALLY AGREE with everything you've said and agree with your premises and conlusion.
This was an excellent lecture!
You really need to personally contact Seth Andrews, Dan Barker (he's an X-Pastor of 25 year's)
and also contact Matt Dillahunty...his story is exactly like yours...he was a Fundamentalist Southern Baptist
studying to be a preacher but went Atheist.
Btw...there are many, many pastor's/minister's that have left Christianity for the same reasons we have.
There are also MANY, MANY pastors/minister's who want out of Christianity and don't believe a word of
the bible but they are stuck because it's the ONLY thing they know (it's the only job they know how to do with no other career skills with no other way to earn an income).
They still keep preaching from an ancient, mythical, fictional book about a god that don't exist and these
preacher's feel so guilty because they know they are being hypocrites but they are trapped and are very miserable! They may never be able to get out of the bondage and imprisonment of Christianity!
I feel like Christian’s can’t afford to acknowledge the idea that evil as a means to the end of personal development is the same as evil for evil’s sake because then they couldn’t personally and legitimately use abuse as a means to the end of compliance. For example, the church needs to make women feel responsible for their own rapes so that they can say the perpetrator is forgivable. I haven’t fully thought this out yet, but that’s what came to my mind as you were talking. It always seems that the victim is to blame for the sole purpose of exonerating the perpetrators who claim they are Christian.
Btw, thank you for not avoiding the subject of rape. I left Christianity largely because of the Christian view of rape, and nobody would have a reasonable conversation with me because I’m “just angry.”
Your thoughts are also my thoughts on this issue. I've been very religious until I experienced very unjust things happening in my life and the one I am praying to is like a paralytic who can only look helplessly and grunt. The way it all works, there is really no "God". But because I want to blame somebody higher or stronger than I am, I wanted this god to exist so I can have someone to vent my anger on.
good insight!
thanks so much! thanks for watching!
“Pain is the megaphone, God uses to rouse a deaf world.”
You can pray for anything, and it never happens.
Give it a test run. You'll see for yourself.
Jesus said pray and you will receive. It's not true. It isn't consistent with reality at all.
There is no gods. All we have is now, and this life. Make the best of it.
Imagine Superman comics basically being superman flying around watching evil villains kill people…what a hero. aka god
If there is a god then he is an evil God. Like the original God was good but this evil one killed him and took over then he started killing the Egyptians with plaques
If you shift the whole narrative toward a more technological framework, you would find it logical and coherent that the individual concerning biblic stories was a colonizer from another world. And no, the plagues were not sent by Yahweh. It's a natural phenomena that the Israelites loved to give their elohim some credit for.
Also, isn’t the free will of the rape victim being postponed while they are being raped? So in a sense you could argue God grants the rapist even more free will than he does the victim.
Correct. Darkmatter2525 did a thing on this.
I think that like any king , the king of the universe only does what he wants and doesn’t really care about what his creation thinks.
God seems evil 👿 Even the creation be evil
first things first
we have no true,way of knowing if god is even a real entity.
on the flip side
if he is indeed a real deity
then he or it,is undeniably responsible for evil,and all of it’s chaotic consequences.
I just found this video and I have to say, thank you for a fantastic and compelling argument for the non-existence of god. Please don't mind if I use this line of reasoning in my arguments with Christians, cheers.
Free will and God`s omnipotence are mutually exclusive.
Great video, I really enjoy it. I tried to make sense of Christian God. And this what I come up with. For God, it matters not if you live or you die physically. Even Jesus experienced physical suffering and had to lost his life, and Christians view Jesus as the full image of God.
So we have this 2nd premise, because we expect God to intervene since that what we will do if we are all knowing, all loving and all powerful. However God doesn't share the same view with us... maybe for God, dying n suffering are not such bad things.
Yeah, my argument certainly doesn't disprove the existence of a God. It just tries to show that the traditional view of God (all the omnis) is an inconsistent view. The Christian God would need to be thought of in a whole new way, and I personally think open theists do the best job of trying to answer the question.
I am curious where the traditional view of God come from. Do we interpret it correctly? Because our interpretation leads to conclusion that God is obligated to intervene when evil happen.
God is a sadist. Period
We truly don’t know.
Great video beautiful soul that you ARE!
some christians simply respond by saying that god cannot be evil, as from his perspective, hes moving people from one plain of existence to another. thoughts? maybe i misunderstand their reasoning. anyway, great video!
If you really want to see God's insanity just read Exodus 32:10-14. You won't be disappointed I promise.
YES YOU RIGHT GOD MAY NOT GIVE US WHAT WE WANT BUT ITS HIS PLAN HE IS BUSY MAKING STUFF HE DOES'T HAVE TIME FOR US RIGHT NOW HE IS HELPING OTHER HUMAN MAKING THERE FUTER TRYING FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAN FOR CRYING OUT LOU!!!
I know this God doesn't give a damn especially when he only talks to and help certain people. Christians excuse will be that you didn't hear him or y out juat gotta listen.
Evil is an ignorance.
We bring everything on ourselves, we're all 'God'
My issue seems to be with Premise #1 in that the description it gives of God is so simplistic that it fails to describe any God of any religion with the exception of a Deistic God. Now at the risk of being controversial, I take issue with the three classic Latin phrases of God. If someone asked me where in the Bible is God described I would point to Exodus 34:6. I would also maybe explain that we believe God is best known through the person of Jesus who is described in the eight beatitudes (Matthew 5) and the Hymn of Christ (Philippians 2). I would maybe point to the fruits of the Spirit as descriptions of God. So my issue is that if someone is going to critique a god of any religion, you have to begin by describing that God accurately, and I simply don't think the classic Latin phrases are an accurate way to describe the God of the Bible or really most gods of any religion. Now I am not trying to say that God isn't almighty or having all knowledge, but I am curious to know why in attempting to describe the Christian God those are the three things you choose? Why not choose the descriptions of wrathful, judging, and angry? Why not choose the descriptions of suffering, meek, and gentle? Those six things are also characteristics of God along with many more. I agree that if we hypothesis a God who is ONLY all-loving, all-knowing, and all-powerful then evil cannot exist, but that is certainly not a description of the Christian God or any God I seem to be aware of. Would love to hear your thoughts!
How do you determine what is evil?
"My argument against God was that the universe seemed so cruel and unjust. But how had I got this idea of just and unjust? A man does not call a line crooked unless he has some idea of a straight line."
- C.S Lewis
I don't believe evil and good actually exist. They're just perceptions of reality. Our experience of good and evil are real, sure, but good and evil themselves do not exist somewhere out there in the world. In this video, however, I assumed the Christian worldview and tried to show that if you believe in that type of God, it's inherently contradictory.
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand, is that you believe morality is a social construct. If there is no objective morality then murder isnt wrong, its just your opinion.
@@bubblessword8090 Social and/or evolutionary, yeah. It doesn't really mean anything that it's subjective though. We can still build functioning societies, obviously. If you watch my video about critiquing the divine command theory, you'll see that theist morally is just as subjective as secular morality.
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Evolution is a series of reactions, if our thoughts were created from reactions, we are simply reacting and not reasoning. Therefore how can you trust your beliefs or anything you are thinking.
We may know how morality exists through observation, but we don't know WHY things are moral, you would need a standard beyond what you have observed.
As to my answer to the Euthyphro dilemma. Logically this is a false dilemma that offers a 2nd option, let me offer a 3rd; Moral acts aren't willed because they are good, or because they are willed by God. God is the standard of goodness, he doesn't make it up or use an existing standard, he is the standard.
Thank you for your response, I enjoy constructive criticism :)
It depends on what we're trusting. I don't think we evolved to see the truth of the world, or the world "in itself". I believe we evolved to survive. That being said, if we're trusting our thoughts and actions to help us survive, I think we can definitely trust them. If we're trusting our senses to know the world in itself, I think that is just incorrect. I don't think we can know the world in itself. Therefore, we can define morality ourselves to be something like human well-being, like Sam Harris advocates for. Harris says morality is objective, but I disagree. I believe it's subjective, and I just don't really care if it's subjective. I don't see the relevance of it. We can still build functioning societies that help all of us survive better. And if we can't trust our thoughts and actions outside of surviving, then this would mean that there is no way to say anything about a God. You'd be truly agnostic, which I am. I would just say I am an agnostic atheist because I don't think we can have knowledge about a God, and I also don't have the active belief in a God.
Isiah 45:7 says that God himself creates evil, I dont know how to explain this what type of evil
Keep reading, it means he will reward the righteous and punish the wicked, because he is just and god loves justice
God has created evil ofcourse, otherwise it wouldn't exist. We are also born evil so...
They can proclaim freewill and excuse gods mystery all they like to ensure no falsifying criteria will touch them, but can you imagine if their deity DID go around saving devout worshippers, from random acts of tragedy, and preferentially alleviated THEIR suffering.
It would have to show up as statistically significant correlation between their God belief and their exemption from suffering (grace?) Would they then all object, "OH No! That couldn't have anything to do with OUR God, he'd never mess with our freewill like that; besides he needs us to suffer to understand joy etc... blah blah blah!!
Bollocks to that. They'd all be in there, slurping it right up like a kitten in a puddle of warm custard.
Hey Chase,
You made some great point here. If I may, I'd like to join in on the conversation!
If we are starting from the perspective of the Bible and how it describes God, good, and evil (as you began in this video), we must acknowledge that God's original plan did not include evil. Sin, and thus evil, entered into creation once man rebelled and chose to go against God's good created order. God's quick judgement of Adam and Eve's sin, as well as a promise of a redeemer in Genesis 3, should also show that evil was not meant to be. Though the question remains: Is God responsible to stop/remove any evil in the world (such as your example of someone being raped)? The Bible, and thus Christians, claims that God is all-loving, good, merciful, and just. Therefore, it should be expected that God would act justly and deal with evil. The Bible does contain such instances of judgment (and Ironically skeptics call these instances inhumane or evil!). Likewise, the Bible does claim that God will judge all of humanity and do away with all evil. I understand that does not help the rape victim you discussed in the here and now, but I don't think God does not intervene. Romans 13:4 states that God purposed governments to judge and deal with evil in the here and now. This would include the police officer's responsibility to stop the rape. Likewise, Christians are called to look after those who are down-trodden and those who are taken advantage of. Parents are supposed to take care of their children. Each of these things have been purposed by God for the good of humanity. To say he has done nothing to stop evil and thus he doesn't exist does not take into account what I have addressed nor does it make mention of the future events where all evil will be removed permanently.
I'd love to hear your thoughts!
@Red Estevez No, I am not. Why do you ask?
@Red Estevez To your first comment, Not sure what that has to do with the points I made, but okay?
You compared a clueless child to a human who knows right from wrong and still chooses wrong...smh
I caught that too but I'm not if he was comparing the child to the sex offender, I think those were two separate examples.
maybe you should've listened the whole time? the child was not the only example
@@abigailroberts5651 I know it wasn't the only example, but I wanted to call out a faulty comparison.
He was not comparing the child to the rapist, he was comparing God with the mother, and the police officer.
@@cbisabelle He compared a clueless child to himself, he isn't clueless, therefore it was a faulty comparison.
I don't even know your name but I have been brought to your video for a reason. I believe that you are a serious Truth seeker when you say that you would love to discuss (at least) this point. You really have two points here. 1) Is there a God or not. 2) IF there is a God why does He allow evil. I will try to be brief answering you, but even though the answers are easy enough for " the least among us" to understand & they are quite lengthy.
I will start with my credentials that allow me to answer you properly (in Truth). In January 2008, God gave me a job description (given in a miraculous way) that says " I am sending you out by the power of My Spirit to Release those bound by Fear, to Proclaim Forgiveness, and to Show Love to ALL men". Ironically, I don't have to like you but it is necessary that I Love you. You don't have to love me (or God ) but it is necessary that I (and God) love you. God has also performed miracles through me with WITNESSES and many more without witnesses. I interact daily with God and He/She/It continues to show me miracles and grants me revelations. There is more but I hope that this suffices for now.
Before God Created the physical Universe and us(His Spirit children) - He knew that He was God. In God's realm there is only KNOWING. This was not enough for God because He Desired to know what it FEELS like to be God. Feelings are only possible drom experiences and experiences are only possible in physicality . So God imagined a Plan on how this could be done. He Created the physical, metaphysical, and a Perfect System to realize His Plan which ultimately was to know what it FEELS like to be God. This is ehy you (we) are so precious to God. Now He could FEEL what it was like to be God IN, AS, and THROUGH His Spirit children. Yes, this states that you are God. It is only possible in the Truth that we are ONE in God. His Spirit children are pieces of God (made in His image). For further understanding, please view a short 14 min video on TH-cam called " The little soul and the Sun". I have had 5 year olds understand it.
Most humans are at a level of evolution today ( of brain and soul) to allow understanding of God's Perfect System (God only does Perfect) which has reincarnation and Free Will as major components of the System. I will digress slightly here to make for an explanation.
About 10 years ago I came across some writing that said "Only God judges me". I was immediately and STRONGLY urged by the Holy Spirit to respond to this and so we wrote " Wrong. God does not judge, nor condemn, nor punish. God is ONLY UNCONDITIONAL LOVE. It is man who judges, condemns, and punishes. God is not cruel. It is man who is cruel".
What man calls sin God calls mistakes and mistakes are not dealt with through punishment but are rather offered the opportunity (as many as is needed) for correction. This is a large part of what reincarnation is about. God's Desire is that ALL of His Spirit children eventually return to Him (Source). Under this reality I hope you can see tgat there's no such thing as a devil or a hell of fire and brimstone. There IS a hell, but it is one of our own creation right here on Earth - everytime that we turn away from God. The devil is an invention for the purpose of deflecting responsibility away from ourselves. Devil and hell were ( and still are) useful tools of Fear used by religious leaders in order to put the "Fear of God" into their followers in order to control them. " Even Jesus said " Woe unto ye Pharisees. You are supposed to lead the people to God". They didn't then and they don't NOW.
A little bit now about Free Will which is tightly tied to EVIL. In Truth (in reality) there only exists Love (God) and Fear(all that is not God). EVERYTIME that you make a decision - you are either comming from a place of Love OR a place of Fear. It is Fear that is responsible for ALL evil. Human Beings are creatures of body and soul. Ego(from the physical brain) is who you 'think' that you are - a fear-based and fear-filled temporary entity. Soul is who you REALLY are - a fearless eternal loving entity. Love (soul) will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS do the right thing. Fear(Ego), however, confuses and paralyzes the mind AND is the source of ALL heartache and misery on the planet. It is rhe source of evil and it only exists because most people don't realize who they REALLY are. On the other hand, without the possibility of evil - we would not exist. Ego has a victim mentality. However, who we really are are creators, creators who have Free Will to create whatever we desire. Most people are not aware of who they REALLY are and the power that we have. We could literally stop earthquakes or floods or hurricanes with our power. " When 2 or nore are gathered in ny name". He also said "Why are you so amazed? These things and GREATER shall you do" People don't realize that WE have the power(as God's children) to choose, from Free Will, to create Heaven on Earth - EFFORTLESSLY. It's just a simple choise. God(Love) OR Ego (Fear). There is so much Fear in the world. Di you think that any country invades another out of Love or Fear. There's many many other examples from personal lives to world wide consequences.
I have much more that I could tell you. Maby you have specific comments and/or questions. God would like EVERYONE to know "You have Me ALL wrong". I will use my job description as an example of 2 points here. I) God us not into Fear. You cannot Love that which you Fear. Love and Fear CANNOT co-exist. So make up your mind. Do you Love (and trust) God OR do you Fear Him)Her/ It. In the 17 years now of my very close intimate personal relationship with God, I have been a human who makes his fair share of mistakes(sin?) and yet God has shown me NOTHING BUT Love and Humor. 2) There is a very common misconception that God Commands. This is the exact opposite of the Truth. My job description was NOT a command but rather a request I KNOW that if I were to refuse - God would continue to Love me UNCONDITIONALLY. There is no such thing as the ten Commandments. God. What God did give us was His 10 COMMITMENTS. He says that if we are TRULY seeking Him then we will find that it is impossible to do anything mentioned in the so called commandments.
Also, thanks to God's Perfect System, He will NEVER EVER interfere with our Free Will. To do so would be like throwing the proverbial monkey wrench into His Perfect System making it imperfect and this He will NEVER EVER do. God's Will shall be done - but He will NEVER EVER force you to. Iyr destiny is assured. We are ALL heading back to Source ( of this we have no choice) - but He will NEVER EVER force you to. Whether you know it or not, or like it or not, we are ALL in the most capable and loving 'hands' in all of existence. Bless you 🙏❤️. This is just a fraction of what "I" could tell you about the misconceptions of God (and the story of Jesus). I advise everyone to develop a personal relationship with God for yourself - with ALL of your heart, mind, soul, and strength. Then YOU can get the Truth straight from the horse's mouth. Any questions friend. Sorry (not really) for the length of this. I pray that you find it useful one way or another. I am here to serve.🙏❤️
God is the creator and as such, is responsible for all evils existing. Made them, power not to full stop.
Or, God is the steward meaning they inherited it and suck. It’s one thing to have evil. Quite another to have billions of innocent creatures agonizingly die.
Both are creator or bystander effect. Either of those
While yes everything needs energy to live, at least crocodiles or some creatures try to end it quickly. God made your egg laying wasps or slow digestions. Pretty fucking painful. Humans, cuckoo birds, sure. Ants go to war and dogs can snap at each other over treats. Fine. Deserve painful deaths apparently.
Taking 99% of all life out for being assholes, another half a percent for not really sapient of pain, and then half of that percent that gets the luxury of clean good deaths, a quarter of all life, human Earth to every planet in the cosmos.
A quarter of a percent for just humans to show the context of numbers: 108 billion people throughout history. Two Hundred and Seventh Million.
And that’s just showing with humans as the numbers. God has much more agonizing deaths throughout the cosmos. Ranging in billions or trillions of deaths on par with crucifiction.
That isn’t bad happens. That’s a genocide of agony that no monster throughout history could ever hope to match.
Natural evil. Doesn’t really have a need for hurricanes or anything.
As I was listening to this God gave me an answer: you are engaging in a logical contradiction when you say an all powerful God cannot permit evil and be loving at the same time. Since God can do anything He can do this.
My prayer however is " take this cup away from me"
So you believe in a god that isn't bound by the laws of logic. A god that can both simultaneously exist and not exist. I'll pick the not existing version.
As an aside there is no apologetic snake oil trope that will convince me that the depravity of Psalm 137 :9 is all loving, just and perfectly moral.
I used to be an abrahamic monotheist but have now become an agnostic polytheist and or a religious humanist because I just can not wrap my head around or understand stand the very very bizarre world abrahamic monotheism anymore ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Genuine question. Wold you prefer not ever have existed?
To be able to wonder at the universe for the briefest moment in time is something not to be squandered.
@@downenout8705 exactly, that is why you need to prepare to not go to hell and suffer for eternity wile you are alive
@@tribalgamer1737 For goodness sake anyone can do a little open minded research and easily discover that hell is nothing more than an unevidenced man made concept designed to keep the gullible sheep believing and paying their tithes.
I no more fear hell than you fear being eaten by a fire breathing dragon.
Isaiah 45:7 God clearly states that He IS the inventor of evil.
Would evil exist if Good didn't exist or vice versa?
It's embarassingly obvious that the subject depicted in the Old Testament is not God. That's just the character tailored on him by the exegetes who came later.
The whole sequence of events suggest it's all a matter of the encounter between mankind with some species coming from off-planet, in possess of a higher technology and better knowledge.
This hypothesis matches with accounts narrated by ancient cultures belonging from all continents.
The Bible mainly speaks about one of them, the Elohim of the Israelites, who was a warmonger. That's why there's so much cruelty in that narrative. He was a despotic colonizer, a ruthless dictator and the covenant established between him and his subjects was clear: obey and I will protect you, betray me and I will exterminate you on the spot.
There's nothing divine in those accounts. It just narrates the chronicles of a powerful individual equipped with advanced technology filtered by the undeveloped language featuring an extremely poor vocabulary in possess of the original authors who lived back then in that area.
When you delve deep into the philological meaning of the words used to describe biblical events you easily find out that something isn't quite right and coincidences are one too many.
Does God exist? In my opinion, if a divine entity, the Source of the Cosmos exists, the Bible does NOT speak about it.
Search somewhere else.
Biblical Elohim were conquerers, with all pros and cons.
Peace ✌️
PRINCIPLE 1
The following is the order of the process of destiny
1) God's Knowledge (of the eternal past and future)
2) God's Recording (writing of destiny in His Book).
3) God's Will (for the events to happen)
4) God's Creation
He knew it, then He wrote it, then He Willed it, and then He Created it
Creation and fashioning
Predestination and guidance
All events, actions within the universe are a creation of God. The actions of the creation are created. However, the actions of God are 'uncreated' (i.e. divine).
PRINCIPLE 2
God's Will is of two types:
1) general universal Will (same meaning as Will). Does not necessarily mean it is liked by God.
For example, the disobedience and rebellion of Satan was already known by God before God created His creation. Because of His knowledge of what Satan would do, He had decreed such fate for him. The fate of Satan which God had decreed is for lessons to be extracted from, for indeed there is no evil except that good comes out of it later on.
2) Legislative Will. This is what God loves and wants (i.e. prefers. want can be defined as Will or Preference. In this context it is Preference) legally to happen. Does not necessarily mean it will happen.
For example, God loves for all people in earth to believe in Him. But it doesn't mean that it will definitely happen.
PRINCIPLE 3
Actions of God:
1) Preference/Bounty. Everything destined of good. E.g. God has destined that his righteous slaves worship Him on earth, because He loves it and prefers it.
2) Justice. Everything destined of evil. Not attributed to Him. E.g. God has decreed wrongdoing and sins to be committed, even though He hates it, in order to show to His creatures lessons to be learnt and examples to be made. Had there been no evil in the world, the people would never know the value of good.
The entire universe is alternating between His Bounty, and His Justice.
PRINCIPLE 4
If you cannot grasp the wisdom regarding something, then remember He is not questioned with regards to His actions while they the people are questioned.
PRINCIPLE 5
Actions of the slaves are created, and they are responsible and accountable for them.
God created for His slaves the ability, Will, body parts and Intellect.
All of the causes leading to doing the action are created, thus the action itself is created. However, the action is done by the doer.
Had there been a creation whom God chose to serve as His Deputy and Right Hand (it is not Jesus), then temporarily delegated His Divine Power and Authority to His Deputy for a particular task, at that particular moment in time, any action God's Right Hand would perform would be 'uncreated' (Divine). This is because His Right Hand would be doing what God Himself would have done (i.e. His Deputy would be deputising Him). The Deputy of God would be the only created being at God's side who's action can be Divine.
PRINCIPLE 6
The actions of the people are controlled by the people, they have been given choice and Will.
3 proofs that mankind has free will:
1) Sending of messengers
2) Choice in worldly and religious affairs
3) The humans would never accept oppression to themselves under the excuse that it is "destiny". E.g. A person harms another person and then says "this was decreed by God" (Yes, technically, God had decreed this to happen because He knew that this person would use His free will to commit such an action. His infinite knowledge qualifies Him to decree the fate of everything in existence).
PRINCIPLE 7
Predestination is used to prove calamities and trials, but not to prove sins and mistakes. Only after repentance can predestination be used to prove and justify past sins.
NOTES
The recording of destiny is done in order for God to show parts of it to whomever He wishes from His creation (the angels). Whatever information the angels possess is subject to change, while whatever is in the Preserved Tablet (the book in which destiny is written) never changes (i.e. the result).
You`re talking about ordinary people and now, for a second, look at the lives of Christians saints. They were killed in the most agonizing ways possible. God didn`t even lift a finger to save them.
Hello friend, I have been looking at you for several weeks and the truth is that you have answered many questions that I had about Christianity and the Bible, I hope you do very well and continue with more interesting videos. I would love for you to answer this question, and that is that in my search about Christianity, you know, if it is true or not, I found many videos of people who strongly and eloquently defend that the Gospels are reliable historical sources, which seems to increase The odds that the center of Christianity is true (life and resurrection of Jesus), why does this happen? How would you answer?
Jesus died for our sins so that we can have eternal life, He was without sin, that’s why He had to die for us, who are with sin. Please ask God in prayer for answers, He lives and loves you so much❤️
Got the HOOEY out of here with your BOOK of LIES, FILTH, Contradictions and YWH COMMANED VIOLENCE and THE VIOLENCE HE DID. Oh also your BOOK is mostly Plagiarism. SO please KEEP your YWH
Oh here we go lets blame God for everything
Well if you are the one who made everything then obviously you are to blame for everything wrong with your everything, especially if you are going to take credit for everything that happens to be right about your everything.
@@downenout8705 humans do most of the evil in this world and the other things earthquakes and all that is just nature its sucks thats just part of life people live and die thats how the world works.
@@macmillan5949I don't know about you, but I am primarily concerned with natural evil. For example, all sorts of mutations, genetic diseases, infections, parasites, cancer, etc. That's the point - God sets the laws for how the world works. He is to blame.
If god has planned everything then we can't have free will. So belief in god is absurd
Pls comment.
My subconscious tells me that I have free will and there is not a single thing that I do about it.
I think your premise 2 should be modified as apologetics can claim evil is not an ontological entity, but an event or action. So actions dont really exist, they are what things that exist do.
So you can rephrase as follows: evil either exists or it happens
Evil must exist until good proves its purity.
I'm not really sure what you mean.
That makes no sense, evil doesnt need to exist for good to prove anything, life can simply be good, with no evil.
@@deaddragon2371 That does not make sense either. If life was simply good, we would not have an experience of good. The only reason we can say something is good or bad is because we can distinguish between the two. We really can't have one without the other. So it would necessarily be neither good nor bad.
Danielle Brogden good point, thanks for giving me that perspective :)
@@deaddragon2371 No you were right good can exist without evil. To be aware of it is a completely different notion.
So, you can't make this argument without it being emotional.
Why not do away with the present reality at once? These are not answers we can give. The reality is that, based on the present version of Christianity, God cannot be judged by us. Everything being done now is according to his will, somehow. God is always right, according to Christianity.
Your analogy about the drunk driver, why not give the driver diarrhea so he does not go out?
We cannot but view things in hindsight and postulate forward.
We do not know what God is in his entirety.
If we don't know what god is, then that god is not all powerful, as an all powerful god should easily be able to make itself understood by the very beings that it supposedly designed and created.
If we can leave god out of this life we would at least know how to deal with the world! Cuz bringing god into every question and argument seems to complicate the issue more than it's! Reality destroys all the claims and attributes religions attached to god!
I know this is an old video and you may not be watching the comments anymore, but just in case you are I thought I would comment.
I happened on your videos because I was looking for videos of people that walked away from Christianity for a series I am doing in the Sunday School class I teach which is for Middle School.
First, I would like to preface this with this statement. It is not up to me to convince anyone what I believe. I can only speak about what I believe, and it is up to others to decide as each of us are individually accountable for what we believe and our actions. I have only seen two of your videos but that seems to be your approach.
My thoughts on what you said are these. And I will try to keep some concise because I know it is hard to debate in a chat like session when so many people respond.
God did not create Evil.It is the absence of good. Much like light and darkness. You have light, and you have the absence of light. You don't create darkness.
God in the beginning gave one command (not to eat of the tree).
God gave moral laws for everyone to live by.
Breaking those laws is disobedience to God.
Anything that goes against the order God put in place is destructive. For example, if you see that kerosene is cheaper than gasoline and put it in your car, the car will not function as designed and if you took it to the dealership they would not honor any warranty due to not following the documentation on how the car functions.
Now, do I really understand how that actually works? No. I don't understand how Adam and Eve had the free will to disobey, but when Jesus returns and those who have chosen to accept his punishment for their wrongs and can enter heaven will never do wrong again but still have free will. There are a lot of things about good and evil and sin and disobedience that I don't understand at a root level.
If there is no God or creator of the universe that puts laws, both physical and moral, in place then there really is no good or evil. We are just a bag of cells walking around making decisions based on a set of chemical reactions in our brain. Nothing more. And to that extent, we cannot be held morally accountable for anything we do. But as a society we can dictate what is prefered and not prefered and put consequences to them.
If you say there is evil, then you have to infer there is a creator that dictates what is right and wrong. If you design a board game, you as the creator get to dictate the rules of the game.
Your premises are not new and have been debated for many, many years as I am sure you know. And have been logically answered numerous times. The freedom of each person is to decide what to believe or not believe. But you do provide some very good examples in a way I have not heard before and honestly, I had to think through them for a while before responding.
I would like to focus on your overall comment of why does God not stop Evil?
Which evil do you want him to stop? Do you want him to stop what you think to be evil? What a society thinks to be evil? Or what God says is evil? I ask this because I believe this to be a fundamental question to your logic that needs answered in order to lay a foundation that we can agree on a debate from.
If an individual or society then where do we draw the line between evil and really, really evil?
If you truly want God to stop evil, and only God can dictate what is evil, then you are asking God to stop"
Murder
Rape
Sex outside of marriage
Adultery
Stealing
Abortion
Lying - God would compel you beyond your will to always speak the truth every time, in every situation.
Putting God first - in relation to the first commandment 'You shall have no other gods before me'
God would pretty much force everyone, all the time to do good.
I really appreciate your openness on your path and your honesty in your views. I have always felt that is God is real and the Bible is true then that truth will always stand and this is why I take things like this and present to my Sunday School class. If I truly believe the Bible then I don't want to hide from any comments someone may have about it. And I don't want to hide that from my class. They have to decide for themselves what to believe and I really believe that.
what a bunch hooey. Your BOOK and YWH are MONSTERS. I read all your UNHOLY BOOK and know it ALL. Youe BOOK of Plagiarism, FILTH, Contradictions, and UTTER VIOLENCE COMMANED and DONE by YWH. Your BOOK is MADE UP and so YWH and anyone who has read it and didn't quit is a MORAL MONSTER. THAT'S ALL FOLKS. Hey tell you what my teacher is christendimb2 go and try this stuff on him he knows more than I do. Let me know.
Your just doing it to make money in church f you
King James Version
17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
The god of the bible is a hypocrite. He holds humanity to a higher standard than what he is capable of doing
This is False teaching. I agree with you on the part that we all have a free Will. But the other part you are failing to understand is that God do still warn us all before we do something that is evil. But we as people refuse to listen to God, Instead we do what we want to do. For example when a person is about to rape someone. God warn them over and over through their conscious or even warn them through a person. God do intervene by warning us. Mankind is the problem,, we all love sin more than we love God who is Holy. In its not just people who rape this also goes for people who lie, steal, murder, even envy and jealousy is a form of hate. Gossip and disobedience all of these hurt others as well. We all did something wrong. We living in a wicked world were mankind choose to do evil rather than Good
God do intervene and still does, we just don't listen to his warnings and corrections. Jeremiah 17:23. Jeremiah 25:4-7
God doesn't exist but the elite will make sure he's exists. Even if that weren't true people need to believe in something.
Lmao the cop would not be held responsible based on Warren vs dc. Not saying that the cop isn't responsible just pointing out the similarity of misjustice between cops and god
This can't be serious? OK, so is the world you want one where A People are robots or B People are immediately sent to hell the moment they desire to sin?
…or C
harm to innocent people is dealt with justly by a supposedly "omnipotent" power with the ability to do so while retaining peoples' choice. BUT HIMSELF CHOOSES NOT TO.
You missed the videomaker's point almost entirely.
@@itsallpointless Yeah, no, God actually does judge people. I guess you haven't read the Bible or talked to any Christians.
You must mean you want sin judged immediately? Let's see, what is the punishment for sin, I forget, maybe it's in the Bible somewhere?
Try to think BEFORE you post next time.
@@jeffmoreau6844 you have missed the point entirely.
Deflecting action into another unproven realm is the biggest handwave ever. Even worse than the policeman in the example who saw the woman being raped but then just shrugged his shoulders saying… "meh, the judge will deal with it" …
Before allowing the attacker to continue
Dismal attempt at a response. And typical holier-than-thou attitude as well which was one of the things i always noticed in these hypocrital people
@@itsallpointless This is so embarrassing. I can't even believe you can't muster half a watt of brain power to understand why you are making such a horrible argument.
Since God is patient, doesn't want people sent to hell or for them to be worthless, and has thought about this problem for more than a millisecond, all things that contrast with you, He doesn't do incredibly stupid things like remove all responsibility from humanity.
Yes, He gives human beings RESPONSIBILITY. He doesn't send them to hell or treat them like morons, no, he gives them the opportunity to do good things like their lives, which is why you innately think it's bad for a policeman to shrug. I say innate because it isn't something you actively thought about.
But no, your solution is for nanny God to step in and make sure everything is taken care of. Maybe He'll also give you a bib and a sippy cup and make sure you don't spill on yourself.
In case you didn't get the point, your solution is either 1. God sends everyone to hell instantly upon sin or 2. God treats everyone like a whiny child, which will make them complacent and entitled, i.e. very sinful, then guess what happens?
Obviously, you have thought this through exactly none, just like religion generally and probably life as a whole, which is why you are an atheist.
Now leave adults alone until you learn to read
@@jeffmoreau6844 Ah yes, being responsible while getting threatened by a robber. Of course God doesn't just want to step in an make the pistol malfunction ‒ ha! ‒ that would just make him a nanny treating whiny children (being shot and dying in excruciating pain). Of course they have to learn lessons! Where would we get if nobody was infected with eye-eating worms?
Free will , heaven , and redemption , sin , is literally half of the Bible not to hard to understand, you made a bad argument 🙏😹
i met this preacher he say he got mad at God because he wanted him to heal his and he took her home instead do you believe is gown be a rapture?
No.... a monster called God isn't real
You have to understand who Esau is in the Bible and why God hated him. Its the white man…
God might not have enough angels to protect billions of people
but he can create more since hes omni
How did morals come into existence?
Oh brother 🤦🏾♀️
you cannot have good without evil. Just like you cannot have hot without cold. Everything in physical reality requires a dynamic. You cannot know a thing or an experience without being able to compare it to something else. The only way you know what tastes “good” is because you have experienced something that was “not good”. God is personified as a father in the Bible. I’m a father. Your “problem of evil” argument is like me saying “I won’t bring a child into this world because I know they will get hurt, they will make mistakes and experience failure and sadness and struggles and rejection.” That’s your view of God, that God cannot be “good” because the reality God created contains these “evil” things. But in order for there to be any physical reality whatsoever, these “evil” things are 100% inevitable and literally required for anything “good” to exist. You cannot have love without the opposite of love. Things are not only defined by what they are, but also by what they are not. I would argue that you are enjoying this created reality, so your “problem of evil” doesn’t appear to be as much of a problem as you claim. Because you always have the option to exit the reality that you claim is so atrocious and awful. Saying “there cannot be an omnipotent, omniscient, and all loving God, because this reality is so twisted, evil, and disgusting.” makes no sense because you’re still here choosing to participate in it. Which begs the question as to why? Is it because you have enough doubt as to what might be on the other side? Or is it that you’re ultimately comfortable and happy enough to keep experiencing this glorious and amazing reality? No matter how hard we strive to extend our years, this physical experience could end at any moment. The questions “is there a God? Is Jesus the way?” will be answered for every single person. You can argue for annihilation, which atheists often do, to which I would argue then why not go ahead? There’s something to this life that you’re committed to continuing. That discussion is where the honesty is.
So heaven must be brim full of evil if good cannot exist without evil.
Also god's creation was supposedly existing quite happily without evil before all that apple eating nonsense.
Finally an all powerful god could easily have given mankind an innate sense and understanding of evil without actually giving babies cancer.
How about cutting all that crap stories people made up and deal with this reality as it's. If there's anything we can do will be is to search for how we came here and for what and who the hell brought us here.
Isn't it clear? The clue is concealed in the bible...
Yeah, case without God, we dont have definition of good and evil.
Like, why would somebody stop stealing when the person is above the law? o,O
Because empathy for people your stealing from.
@@madeline_raine_sings4649 But stealing is what makes that person happy.
So, stopping of being happy for empathy? That doesnt make sense.
@@tarno_bejo_ Not everyone who is non religious is a hedonist.
@@madeline_raine_sings4649 Im asking the moral compass of non religious people.
Because, seriously, we cant prove that stealing is bad for an atheist big deal mafia.
@@tarno_bejo_ A lot of mafia members are catholic and think if they confess to a priest its ok to kill people because they are forgiven.
Commendable presentation, thank you.
I do believe you're on the right path of reasoning; however, it's still rather opaque & seems to involve unstated implicit assumptions that a proponent of the God of classical theism can reasonably reject.
I'd like to present a transparent syllogism, then articulate the reasoning for each premise. It is a species of the logical problem of evil. The necessity here is one of logical entailment, such that to deny it would lead the theist to a contradiction.
I should warn you, a basic understanding of modal discourse will be required.
1. Omni-benevolence entails permitting the most perfect world possible to obtain.
2. Necessarily, if God is omni-benevolent, God will permit the most perfect world possible to obtain
3. The most perfect world is one with no imperfections, to which its perfection could not be increased.
4. God is perfect- and necessarily omni-benevolent & omnipotent
5. Therefore a world where God alone exists is perfect by definition, since nothing can increase or add to its perfection.
6. The world where God alone exists is a possible world.
7. Therefore God would necessarily permit a world where he alone exists to obtain.
8 A world where God exists alone does not obtain.
9 Therefore God does not exist
1- follows from a definition of omni-benevolence. It does not necessarily by itself entail a perfect world. Theists tend to say 'possible' entails only what is logically possible- so maybe God can't logically eliminate all suffering/evil/imperfection in order to achieve some higher Good/perfection, if that good/perfection is achieved then God in permitting it is not acting contra his omni-benevolence.
2- Follows if the most perfect possible world is something God can actually bring about. Given his omnipotnece entails bringing about all logically possible worlds, the only question is- is the world sans (without) creation possible? Yes (most theists think it actually obtained prior to creation).
3- I think this is pretty trivially true. A world lacking imperfections is presumably perfect. One could argue an empty world lacks imperfections, but is not perfect. But non existence is assumed to be an imperfection, so that doesn't follow.
4&5- God being perfect seems definitional to God. He is that which nothing greater than can be conceived, devoid of deficiency, possessing all the perfections. A world where God exists is by definition devoid of imperfections. Added to this, nothing permitted by God could add to its perfection- it could only ever add gratuitous imperfections. God could not justify that permittance by claiming to achieve some higher good or perfection, since by definition there could be none without suggesting a lack of perfection in the world prior to his permittance, which is to say that God alone is lacking a perfection, whcih entails he is imperfect, which is a contradiction.]
6- Again, it is clearly possible for God to permit a possible world where he alone exists. Many theists believe he did just this prior to creation. To suggest otherwise seems to suggest either such a world is logically impossible, or God is not omnipotent. The latter is clearly impossible for God, the former is clearly wrong.
7- This follows from the above premises. Essentially, what God's omnipotence/omni-benevolence entail is that God would only permit a world where he alone exists. Perhaps you want to appeal to his freedom- but that would only be a freedom to permit gratuitous suffering. Whilst God may have that power, he would no more exercise it than he would commit an act of wanton evil, or an unjustifiable lie. Perhaps the response will be that in creating a world with free agents God is adding some value that did not already exist. But this commits you to the view that a perfect world can be lacking a value- that would of course be an imperfection. Or that God existing alone is not a perfect world. Given God is co-extensive with that world (as it contains nothing else) this implies God is not perfect, which runs into similar problems.
8- is obvious given we are having this conversation.
9- this follows because God has clearly failed to permit a world where he alone exists to obtain. Given God can not fail in this and given God's omnibenevolence entails this is what he would do, we can conclude that no perfect being with the attributes of omnipotence/omnibenevolence could possibly exist and the world exists. Given the world exists, then it is impossible for such a being to exist. These attributes are essential to God, therefore God can not exist.
We all like to define evil as something someone else does. Such as "imagine another guy raping a woman". No one asks the question - What doesn't God stop all the evil I do? Why doesn't God do justice every time I lie, steal, lust etc. Well, then we all have our justifications about our "mistakes". I am not judging anyone, just mentioning what wiser people have said.
God does not have to answer any of our questions. We commit evil and then we find clever ways to hold God responsible. God has provided a solution for Evil. He wants to be a loving Father. When we love him as Dad, we realize He CHOSE to love each one of us, the "Good" ones and the rapists, hoping that His son or daughter will see their wickedness and run to Him for mercy.
As an Atheist.. You do not have that Dad.
I don't expect God to answer any of these questions, but I love having conversations with Christian apologists who are willing to attempt to answer them.
This is not just about evil, this is also about God's supposed unconditional love for humans. How can he claim to love us while allowing some of us to be sexually assaulted, allowing children to burn to death in school fires. It isn't just about stopping evil it's about treating humans as if he actually loves us. Helping us all out of dire situations that we didn't inflict upon ourselves and that we didn't even know was going to happen. If he loves us why does he only help some of us and not others.
@@tamarasmith1706 There's a very simple answer to your question. There will come a time when evil no longer exists. This is (NOT) that time. But when the time comes, there will no longer be any more ("dire situations") as you put it because evil will have been done away with. But here's one thing for you to keep in mind. When that time actually does come, it will be done in God's time frame, not ours. The bible puts it like this. God will let good and bad grow together until the end. At that point He will separate the good from the bad and evil will be done away with. But again... This is (NOT) that time.
@@Slikk22 I guess this is the time for God to watch and do nothing, thats perfect
@Tessa C I'm not going to read all that. I don't blame God for sin, I blame him for every instance where he knows about it, is able to stop it and does nothing to help.
@Tessa C You should be pitying yourself. You serve a spirit who watches murder and rape, is able to stop it and allows it to happen anyway. Imagine if you were married to a human being who does sh!t that!! You're married to Jesus. You should be worried about yourself.
I agrre
God created Lucifer and Lucifer chose evil (which is essentially disobeying God). God knew what Lucifer would become (Satan) but he still went thru with all of it knowing he would redeem humanity by suffering and dying for humanity. He didn't have to go thru with any of it. But he did and we now have the chance to live with God for eternity if we choose that. Pain and suffering is how God develops Christ like character in us. There is a purpose for it. It also creates a need for God. Without it humans would choose to worship and depend on themselves.
God is evil read the old testament
@@astralangel7772 SHUT UP YOU DAMB FOOL HE IS NOT EVIL!!!!
Why do you call evil good and good evil? God is light and in him there is no darkness. What is written on your heart that you equate the Holy Spirit with evil? How can Satan cast out Satan? A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. Quit blaming god for what people do with their free will. Do the healthy need a doctor? No but the sick do. Neither did the son of man come for the righteous but to lead sinners into repentance.
So what about the innocent that suffer daily. Honest question what do you tell them. Did they have free will over what happened to them. The slain, the abused, the defiled honestly would you say the same to them what do u tell them what would be their response to something like that
God lets suffering happen, to break us, so we call for him, and realise, how big his love is.
Rape or even torture compared to hell is nothing. So if God, would really love us, he would give us chances, to call for him, so he would save us from hellfire. Thats love.
If God was not all loving, he would send us straight to hell, because we actually deserve it. Everybody sined in there live. God has nothing to do with sin, the darkness is seperated from him.
If God was not all loving, he would let us live in the illusion, have a perfect live in sin, without any suffering or you call it evil, but wher would that lead us? That would lead us to hell, because we are sinfull from nature.
God created us, in his image, and he saw it was good. An all knowing God let Adam and Eve sin in the Garden of Eden then punished all mankind for that sin, made life hard, pain in childbirth, weeds to make growing food hard. Destroyed all but a handful of humans in a flood to wipe out sinfulness for Moses was a righteous man-except original sin continued through and after him. Rape and torture is tremendously evil yet with all the suffering in the World God feels the need to punish people forever in never ending fire. God has not stopped child sex trafficking, the Holocaust, the Inquisition- in fact he created evil. Sort of like the father who abuses his child all day long then at the end of the day yells from the other end of the house, “ I love you!”
The same God, who sent his only begotten son to die for our sins. Can you say, that you did not sin in your life? We deserve hell, but God is so mercyfull, that he gives us plenty of chances to turn around. Please read the bible and notice how often god gives the people chances.
What type of loving God creates hell fire in the first place? So we were created to deserve hell? Saying a life of rape and torture is justifiable is evil. Wouldn’t God want people who really, genuinely loved him to come to him rather than because they are afraid of hell?
@wolf trader People in 3rd world countries can say to god "I was hungry yet you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty you gave me nothing to drink"
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If he’s so Merciful, Why did he need to Sacrifice his Son to Forgive people’s Mistakes and for them to Deserve to live for Eternity?
Idk sounds like something a Cult Leader would do. Even Satan isn’t that Evil.
It is sad to read and listen to all of this. You judge Him according to your justice, knowledge, and experience of life. I am horrified by your thoughts. You do not have any respect, love, and fear of Him.
GOD is GOD. Who are you to judge him?
Yes, there is evil in this evil and rotten world. Yes, It is unfair. All of us desire justice, love, and peace. I want it too. But you blame Him. How dare you? He created you! I see Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit saying: "Look! he is coming. Look! how he is beautiful!". I say this to you because I know how GOD feels listening to ALL of this.
You know very well that he listens. He will judge you. I warn you, every word will be counted on The Judgment Day. EVERY SINGLE WORD, which will condemn you into the Hell for Eternity.
Let's talk about evil. You say that God is responsible for it. You are completely wrong! He is not responsible for any evil thing. You do not know what the reality is! There are things that you will not understand and will never comprehend. Let me ask you a question. Do you know who is "God" of the Earth is right now? If you know the answer, I guarantee that all your mental strongholds will be tiered down. All of them, because you are swimming in a pool of theories, philosophies, and other things that want to blasphemy the name of God. Only this. Think about this!
I know that you do not believe in Jesus. But please Ask Jesus. He is the only one who can help you. May the grace and kindness of Jesus show you the way of truth.
@wolf trader Actually, they do not worship the wrong god. According to The Bible they are worshipping the demons.
As a Christian myself I KNOW for a fact God is responsible for evil. He created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil knowing good and well Adam and Eve were going to disobey and cause chaos in the human race. Same with Lucifer. He knew Lucifer was going to rebel and created him anyway. God is responsible for evil and no God is NOT good all the time. His glory often times comes at the expense and misfortune of others. Most Christians live in delusion and want to give God a pass on everything including his contribution to evil.
@@TrueVintageRnBFan finally someone speaking truth!
Yes, exactly, God chose Lucifer to be in second in command and gave him "free will", Lucifer just exercise his free will, of course i am not saying he did choose evil but in a free will there is no good or bad, it's do whatever you like, and then lucifer choose evil path and God blame him lmao, why did he put him in that position in the first place? did he not know he was going to do the evil? God is evil. This kinda thing also happen in real life, many people did not do anthing when bad things happen, when someone is prideful and mean to others they will say oh he can back it up he or she can be prideful. and when they see someone who they deem not being able to be prideful they pounce on them.