Awesome you’re back with it. Thanks so much for taking on the subject matter and love your channel. Thanks so much for all that you bring to our community.
LOVE LOVE LOVE this content!! Thank you for putting in the extra work to document the process and break down these beautiful shots! I'm glad to hear your experience with the Pyxis was favorable!
Awesome. Thank you Patrick. The BTS stuff is the best :) The mix of your handdrawn visuals + bts pics from set is the perfect (most educating) combination for me. Cool they let you do this project + enhancing it with a regular breakdown. Someone in Blackmagic marketing team is doing the right thing :). Kudos to them too.
Man I know this is probably ridiculed as a naive opinion, but I really like the lighting and the whole shot that is the closeup of the woman on couch in daytime. I understand that camera-side key light most often creates a flat image, but I feel like you knocked it out of the park with all the variations in light and shadow and color within that particular frame, it’s really very nice.
Haha so true about the post sunset regret. So many times we’re packing down or packed down just as the light looks good. On one production I even managed to capture the model going into the sea after the shoot which ended up being one of the best shots in the commercial. Luckily still had a pocket 4k near me as it happened when everything else had been packed down.
Hell yeah! Then I don't have to store them. When in opposite corners, simple turn on the one back lighting and people are in awe of how great your spontaneous cell phone video of your kids' first steps look!
Haha it’s true! I sure have before and honestly have spent well over $1K for all the content on Patreon and his classes :D (far better resources than USC & CSUN Film School)
Talent usually has an army of minions with their phones out creating all sorts of content for them. You would probably have to take the same angle and find someone who you're paying to be there or apprenticing, filming the BTS for you and shadowing you, so you're not using client's time to do your BTS. You could occasionally interact if appropriate or just voice-over in post.
This is the first time that I see you break down your own work apart from that 10 year old film of that girl running. And I really hope there will be more of that in the future because there is a big difference between making educated guesses about how third party projects were shot and explaining the real decisions and challenges of a project you actually shot.
you are welcome: images.blackmagicdesign.com/images/media/releases/2024/20240412_blackmagic-pyxis-6k/carousel/1-blackmagic-pyxis-6k@2x.jpg?_v=1712897574
Love this stuff, I've been listening to you for years on your podcast and on patreon at one point. I like your point on crossing the line for the reverse key, this is something I've battled and end up doing both if I have the time. I always love the reverse key the best though but I really liked how you pulled it off on this.
Thanks for detailed answer to my question , I guess I thought close ups wouldn't have entailed a major relight , naivety on my part . Or one could have retired to ones trailer with a large G&T ,with the line , that was said to me by none other than Mr B Ackroyd , " well ,I cant film excuses " .
Amazing job on this shoot and breakdown. You nearly made me order the camera after this, but I forgot no internal ND's. I think I'll catch them on the V2 of the Pyxis once they add internal ND'S ;) I've grown too accustomed and spoiled to the internal Nd's on my 12k's and 6k pro
That shot near the end of the video with them sitting on the couch and over the shoulder onto the male talent. I would’ve had some kind of hair light on him. It needs something to separate his hair from the dark background, but like you said you only have so much time to deal with this stuff.
I’m curious to see how you’d like the ISO down at 100-200 for the low light shots to really dig deep into those shadows without noise. I started following that approach with my sigma fp (though I pre ordered the Pyxis) and it is BEAUTIFUL. One thing I noticed off the bar coming from the 6k pro to the sigma fp was how much cleaner the fp was in low light, it made the 6k pro look like mush. However, I learned to use low ISO’s in low light only once I got the fp Rob Ellis did a video on this exact topic using the 6k pro in low light with low iso and the difference was huuuuuge. I graded your sample clips, and they look great at 400, but I wonder how much better they’d look at 100-200 especially since you like to expose low
The issue with going under the native ISO, is that you are also lowering the dynamic range of the camera, especially in the highlights. This means highlight roll off also takes a hit. Even in these dark situations you are still dealing with a lot of contrast between shadows and very bright areas, like key side or light sources. Unless you are filming with no lights at all… If your lighting and exposure is on point, you shouldn’t have noise issues. I would rather expose to the right slightly and then bring it down in post, and stay on the native ISOs.
@@LucaOliviero I see what you’re saying. I guess it also has to do with the quality of the cameras processing because I remember shooting a day exterior where part of the frame was in shade and any black clothes in the shade at iso 800 were pretty ugly with grain. Sigma fp. I can’t imagine the Alexa having that issue. Yes highlights take a hit in lower iso, I guess I’ll run tests with the new Pyxis. Maybe the fp isn’t the best camera to assume broad claims on the benefits of low iso
@@Artfulscience1 Maybe the base light levels are too low. Light the scene with a global light and bring the base levels up. And then build on that with a mix of more lights, closing the aperture or NDs. All cinema cameras, like film, are light hungry.
You should do a series on responding to producers questions. I could foresee a producer (who cares) trying to critique as to why you didn't get the standard dirty OTS, from both man/woman perspectives. Like, how do you respond to that... is "no time" (to move gear for the reverse) the ultimate trump card?
good idea. though i cant imagine a world where a producer would question a coverage choice. would be fun but i probably wouldn't get much work after that series
@@wanderingdp haha, fair.. I work in the corporate video world where HMU, wardrobe, crafty, art dept., and the janitor are looking over my shoulder questioning my compositions. lol
Maybe you could get the BMCC 6k instead of the Pyxis to become your digital directors viewfinder--since it doesn’t even need to be rigged up to have a decent screen and its DSLR-like handling. 😂
Patrick you shot the whole thing in iso 400? if so why no do what u do with the alexa where shoot at higher iso to protect the highlights, pure curiosity, keep the awesome work!!!
Wouldn’t an FX three be a little more convenient using as a Director viewfinder just because of how compact it is and it’s full frame. I don’t know just a thought to say that the Black Magic isn’t a worthy camera but just if you’re talking about just something portable and small, can’t get much smaller as a cinema camera full frame FX three
At this level I think convenience is interpreted differently than from a single operator’s perspective. If you’re already setting up everything else, I think the convenience between the Pyxis and the fx3 are pretty comparable. Aside from that, I imagine it comes down to taste. Side by side I usually prefer the Pyxis image.
Another blessed day with Wandering DP uploading another video.
Mucho respect to you for doing ANY behind the scenes because it is extra WORK.
I tried it once and it got old REAL quick.
for real
Awesome you’re back with it. Thanks so much for taking on the subject matter and love your channel. Thanks so much for all that you bring to our community.
LOVE LOVE LOVE this content!! Thank you for putting in the extra work to document the process and break down these beautiful shots! I'm glad to hear your experience with the Pyxis was favorable!
Awesome. Thank you Patrick. The BTS stuff is the best :) The mix of your handdrawn visuals + bts pics from set is the perfect (most educating) combination for me. Cool they let you do this project + enhancing it with a regular breakdown. Someone in Blackmagic marketing team is doing the right thing :). Kudos to them too.
The octobox in living room had me rolling.
there's probably a subreddit for it
Man I know this is probably ridiculed as a naive opinion, but I really like the lighting and the whole shot that is the closeup of the woman on couch in daytime. I understand that camera-side key light most often creates a flat image, but I feel like you knocked it out of the park with all the variations in light and shadow and color within that particular frame, it’s really very nice.
Yes just about any time he blasts his own work, I think, “damn I’d kill to get that shot” 😆
its a 1% thing really. the french over is easier. should it be all about ease? no. im just verbally vomiting my inner monologue
Haha so true about the post sunset regret. So many times we’re packing down or packed down just as the light looks good.
On one production I even managed to capture the model going into the sea after the shoot which ended up being one of the best shots in the commercial. Luckily still had a pocket 4k near me as it happened when everything else had been packed down.
Thank you, Patrick! We appreciate you more than you know.
I wish I could like this twice. Thanks for sharing.
like this comment and that'll make 2
To be fair, your viewers are far more likely to have an octobox in their living room than most.
LOL!
lol I do
Hell yeah! Then I don't have to store them. When in opposite corners, simple turn on the one back lighting and people are in awe of how great your spontaneous cell phone video of your kids' first steps look!
I thought everyone used one for a lamp?
Haha it’s true! I sure have before and honestly have spent well over $1K for all the content on Patreon and his classes :D (far better resources than USC & CSUN Film School)
Talent usually has an army of minions with their phones out creating all sorts of content for them. You would probably have to take the same angle and find someone who you're paying to be there or apprenticing, filming the BTS for you and shadowing you, so you're not using client's time to do your BTS. You could occasionally interact if appropriate or just voice-over in post.
This is the first time that I see you break down your own work apart from that 10 year old film of that girl running. And I really hope there will be more of that in the future because there is a big difference between making educated guesses about how third party projects were shot and explaining the real decisions and challenges of a project you actually shot.
to be honest i am still guessing in my own work as well
beautiful work, beautiful explanation of techniques and lighting. but I was here to see the Pyxis.
you are welcome: images.blackmagicdesign.com/images/media/releases/2024/20240412_blackmagic-pyxis-6k/carousel/1-blackmagic-pyxis-6k@2x.jpg?_v=1712897574
Love this stuff, I've been listening to you for years on your podcast and on patreon at one point. I like your point on crossing the line for the reverse key, this is something I've battled and end up doing both if I have the time. I always love the reverse key the best though but I really liked how you pulled it off on this.
the battle of making it easy to make it look nice or making it hard
Nice! Thanks for the follow-up video!
Thanks for detailed answer to my question , I guess I thought close ups wouldn't have entailed a major relight , naivety on my part . Or one could have retired to ones trailer with a large G&T ,with the line , that was said to me by none other than Mr B Ackroyd , " well ,I cant film excuses " .
Great work! Love the commentary, but is there a link to see the final video without commentary and at best quality?
Beautiful work man.
thanks steve
Amazing job on this shoot and breakdown. You nearly made me order the camera after this, but I forgot no internal ND's. I think I'll catch them on the V2 of the Pyxis once they add internal ND'S ;) I've grown too accustomed and spoiled to the internal Nd's on my 12k's and 6k pro
internal NDs are nice
oh yes, another one, let's gooo!
lfg
Jeez I sure wish I could buy this camera
Do you have full lighting breakdowns on your patreon?
That shot near the end of the video with them sitting on the couch and over the shoulder onto the male talent. I would’ve had some kind of hair light on him. It needs something to separate his hair from the dark background, but like you said you only have so much time to deal with this stuff.
Great idea to use the Pyxis as a viewfinder for the LF
This is great
I’m curious to see how you’d like the ISO down at 100-200 for the low light shots to really dig deep into those shadows without noise. I started following that approach with my sigma fp (though I pre ordered the Pyxis) and it is BEAUTIFUL. One thing I noticed off the bar coming from the 6k pro to the sigma fp was how much cleaner the fp was in low light, it made the 6k pro look like mush. However, I learned to use low ISO’s in low light only once I got the fp
Rob Ellis did a video on this exact topic using the 6k pro in low light with low iso and the difference was huuuuuge. I graded your sample clips, and they look great at 400, but I wonder how much better they’d look at 100-200 especially since you like to expose low
if your shoot looks better because you lowered ISO you are doing something wrong
@@wanderingdp they were just so much cleaner in the shadows.
The issue with going under the native ISO, is that you are also lowering the dynamic range of the camera, especially in the highlights. This means highlight roll off also takes a hit.
Even in these dark situations you are still dealing with a lot of contrast between shadows and very bright areas, like key side or light sources. Unless you are filming with no lights at all…
If your lighting and exposure is on point, you shouldn’t have noise issues. I would rather expose to the right slightly and then bring it down in post, and stay on the native ISOs.
@@LucaOliviero I see what you’re saying. I guess it also has to do with the quality of the cameras processing because I remember shooting a day exterior where part of the frame was in shade and any black clothes in the shade at iso 800 were pretty ugly with grain. Sigma fp. I can’t imagine the Alexa having that issue.
Yes highlights take a hit in lower iso, I guess I’ll run tests with the new Pyxis. Maybe the fp isn’t the best camera to assume broad claims on the benefits of low iso
@@Artfulscience1 Maybe the base light levels are too low. Light the scene with a global light and bring the base levels up. And then build on that with a mix of more lights, closing the aperture or NDs. All cinema cameras, like film, are light hungry.
I kept watching only because you were using an re20 rather than the TH-cam special 7b 😉
IYKYK
You should do a series on responding to producers questions. I could foresee a producer (who cares) trying to critique as to why you didn't get the standard dirty OTS, from both man/woman perspectives. Like, how do you respond to that... is "no time" (to move gear for the reverse) the ultimate trump card?
good idea. though i cant imagine a world where a producer would question a coverage choice. would be fun but i probably wouldn't get much work after that series
@@wanderingdp haha, fair.. I work in the corporate video world where HMU, wardrobe, crafty, art dept., and the janitor are looking over my shoulder questioning my compositions. lol
YES!
Maybe you could get the BMCC 6k instead of the Pyxis to become your digital directors viewfinder--since it doesn’t even need to be rigged up to have a decent screen and its DSLR-like handling. 😂
Patrick you shot the whole thing in iso 400? if so why no do what u do with the alexa where shoot at higher iso to protect the highlights, pure curiosity, keep the awesome work!!!
i like the way less light looks on the alexa sensor
Thank you sir ❤
you are welcome
😮😮😮😮 new episode
I’ll be curious to see how many new followers you get in the next few days.
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@@wanderingdp geez. And to think you’re actually doing the rare thing of engaging with your TH-cam audience. I figured it would be much higher.
(“Date Night” reference) For the love of God, when will they release this damn camera?
I dont see a link to download the raw footage on the black magic youtube link.
It's on their website on the product page for the Pyxis.
Do you have a link for the RAW Footage?
no
But why didn’t you guys shot your daytime wide from the dark side of the shot? Was it a composition decision or the directors’?
didn't we?
Im gonna get the pyxies anyways hehehe
Wouldn’t an FX three be a little more convenient using as a Director viewfinder just because of how compact it is and it’s full frame. I don’t know just a thought to say that the Black Magic isn’t a worthy camera but just if you’re talking about just something portable and small, can’t get much smaller as a cinema camera full frame FX three
they use a lot of anamorphic on the commercial world and the FX3 is not opengate
At this level I think convenience is interpreted differently than from a single operator’s perspective. If you’re already setting up everything else, I think the convenience between the Pyxis and the fx3 are pretty comparable. Aside from that, I imagine it comes down to taste. Side by side I usually prefer the Pyxis image.
true small is good. but i didnt have an fx3 in my hand when the idea occurred to me. shows you how much mental space this idea occupies in my mind
30 seconds x 20 is 6 minutes you goof.
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Why does he talk like that??
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