Amazing and comprehensive video made by someone who has more experience with cameras than just a Sony fx3. I like that you acknowledge the potential flaws within context of its price bracket without just making this a comparison video to the cinema 6K
Great Video! Really well made and informative. Nice shots in USA! Love that classic Merc!! I think this is your best video yet - not sure if that is because of that beautiful Californian light or you just getting better as your channel matures!
@@team2filmsHowever the reviews are worth the wait. It’s a very level headed approach, and busts some of the mythology that brand loyalty inevitably creates. A good camera speaks for itself . Nothing will suit everyone, and while my Fujifilm XH 2 S produces some great images it’s a pain to rig out and use . It’s devoid of any sense of it becoming an extension of my eye. The Pyxis looks like it overcomes that issue with its menu layout and access to it. My sense of it is that it’s central to any rig in terms of how it integrates the rig to itself , rather than the feeling of a mirrorless camera integrating into the rig and getting lost, If that makes any sense at all. I’d really like to try the Pyxis.
What a fantastic non biased review, very professional and to the point, truly what a joy to watch. I personally find a lot of value in the Pyxis, I own L Mount and an OG Komodo, I wanted to get the Pyxis as soon as BM announced but went for the Komodo since I was closer to that price and it was going to be a better investment for me at the time, but I still would love to add a Pyxis down the line as an A or B companion to my Komodo since also to me produces the best IQ I’ve had on any camera currently, I feel they’d pair up nicely, that’s currently the plan !
The Komodo is a great camera, and in many ways more capable than the PYXIS. You've made a great choice. It's more expensive, smaller sensor, and takes ages to boot up.... but apart from that....
@@MoDa-h5nTrue that. Swings and roundabouts though. Maybe you can charge twice as much for brining a red but if the camera costs three times more…. Do you end up better off? Don’t get us wrong, we do love red though :)
@@team2films Actually yes. REDs reputation in the filmmaking industry is just so much above Blackmagic that you could quickly amortize the three times expense. BUT it really depends which kind of job you are getting. Not everybody owning a RED will get the money back. It really depends on where you are in your career. I would say the more advanced you are the more high end camera you can buy. For me a camera is an investment. It needs to pay off otherwise I don't buy it.
I had a 6kFF and then ordered a Pyxis. Now I'm selling the Pyxis. It was a sideways move for me, and the image quality isn't improved, like I knew it wouldn't. But I was hoping it would be something a really enjoyed rigging up. Turns out, I'm still an Ursa Mini body fan. So for sale it goes!
It was a clever intro to discuss how emotional some people can get when discussing cameras. The Pyxis is undoubtedly a good camera for that great price. I loved the different locations; it was very engaging! Thanks for all the info.
i love this intro, as it really is a sore topic for many people. ive several times just aired my opinion on certain brands attitude and ive gotten so many hateful responses where i am the problem and im just not educated, simply because i said i dont like a particular menu system and even praised the camera itself.
Thanks, it's nice to know it's appreciated. Wanted to make sure it was a nice chill discussion. Sometimes when we compare cameras it can be taken the wrong way. There's so many great cameras out there, this is one of them 😎 Glad it resonated with you. Thanks for watching.
Guys loved your intro! You are so right, it’s sad you have to put a disclaimer at the beginning just to mitigate people in the comments losing it over you saying a camera is good. But so true!
Excellent video and by far the best I have seen on the Pyxis.....the only real thing that I am now considering is that rolling shutter....I was not aware it's that hefty. Maybe looking at its bigger brother is worthwhile. When considering the add-ons to purchase such as the external screen, ND etc - the price difference to the URSA diminishes. Of course I already own a polar pro matte box....so there you have that mind-fu*k going on about buying or not buying....no decision made yet - but pyxis is definitely on the top 3 options on my mind. Thanks for this comprehensive video - you clearly put hell of a lot of work into it....much appreciated. Thank you
The URSA is an absolutely amazing camera. it's considerably more than the PYXIS though. A reasonable Pyxis package is going to hit around 4k. An URSA package is going to be north of 15k. Rolling shutter is what you make of it. Remember, the PYXIS has the same rolling shutter as the Burano that costs 25k. We've been shooting with the Mavo LF for the past 4 years, that has the same rolling shutter and it's not something that is an issue for us. There's no perfect cameras at that price point. It's just a case of what compromises you are willing to accept. It sounds like you know what you are doing. Let us know what you decide please! PS We've got a video on the URSA coming out. Hopefully later this month. Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a kind comment.
@@team2films Thank you for the time you also invest in the answers. Am I doing the math wrong here? PYXIS 3'700 Monitor Kit 600 (depending on the kit, but roundabout) DJI Focus Pro 1'000 PL-L Adapter with ND 1'000 Cage 500 (V-Mount Battery option excluded) Total roundabout 6'800,- URSA 5'700 DJI Focus Pro 1'000 PL-L Adapter with other than ND filter 1'000 Cage/Rig parts 1'000 Total 8'700 So basically 2'000 difference. Not so huge I think. How do you get to your 15K cost for the URSA rigged up? I've watched a lot of other PYXIS videos meanwhile and also dismiss the rolling shutter now. I am really looking forward to your URSA video....I was searching your channel for a video on that camera....happy to hear it's coming :) Again thanks a lot for even answering....!
Yes, it looks cool. Not tried it. We're really interested in a totally integrated solution though that can go from clear to ND without having to remove inserts or drop in filters. Metabones and Kippertie already have solutions like that, they just need to convert them to L Mount.
Very informative video. Even though I use this camera already over a month and I also put out my take on it. I still learned something here today. Thanks! Greets from Amsterdam!
Great video. It is however important to know that 400 and 3200 ISO are the native ISOs. If you want the cleanest image then shooting at 100 ISO and 1250 ISO would be your best bet. Have a look at the Dual Gain Sensor chart from black magic.
Hello! Sorry for the confusion, a lot of camera manufacturers use the terms base and native interchangeably. We understand the concept you are describing of using the lowest ISO of each native range (I.e. 100). However it doesn’t inherently have lower noise levels than using the native ISO (I.e. 400) as 100 is just 400 but with attenuation applied. It’s like you are shooting at 400 with ETTR exposure and then bringing it down 2 stops in post. It will look cleaner as the noise in the image gets lowered too, but it is still essentially the same image as shooting at 400 with ETTR. Does that make sense? It’s possible to get exactly the same image at 400 with post adjustment as it is to shoot in camera at 100. Thanks for watching and commenting. It’s great to have you here and we’re looking forward to your response.
@@team2films Completely agree, the power of shooting RAW. Since the ISO is only boosting the signal from the already captured image by the sensor to the SD. When looking at the 3200 Native ISO you can the conclude that you'll have a less noisy image at 1250 at the same exposure range than using 3200. Due to the fact that shooting at 1250 ISO you'll be forced to supply the sensor with more light by opening up the aperture or increasing your lightsource intensity which at the end enables a better Signal to noise ratio. Please correct my if I am wrong.
@@hendricobekker1469 We are totally on the same page. It's a six of one, half a dozen of the other situation. We were just checking because a lot of people don't realise that ISO is just gain or attenuation being applied to a signal (unless you are switching native). It's so nice to have an intelligent conversation in the comments :) Thanks so much for watching and caring enough to comment :)
it is funny that there are bunches of companies out there who were keeping the same sensor and just changed the form factor or workflow, but no one saying anything. Pyxis and 6k FF sharing the same sensor but they are different kind of camera.
Sony a7siii and fx3 is a great example of this,the same sensor, different use cases. Arri reused the same sensor for a decade across multiple cams. It’s not about image quality, no one seems to ever make anything on TH-cam, it’s about people being able to say they bought the latest and greatest and it was expensive. Something being affordable and great is a recipe for criticism from folks that spent significantly more for fractional improvements if any. Sunk Cost Fallacy.
That’s a great point that we sensor re-use elsewhere in the industry and are happy to overlook 🤣 The PYXIS isn’t a perfect camera but it’s hard to fault its value.
@@team2films no camera is perfect, but as tools they can be perfect for specific uses, I easyrigged an Alexa LF for three days on a job and as beautiful as the footage was, the thing was still damn heavy even with the rig! The Pyxis would have been a perfect alternative as a B cam to fly while the LF lived on sticks.
i fell like in the shot of the pyxis and the s5iix, the trim in the outside seems to have a smoother transition into the highlights on the pyxis compared to the s5iix, so even tho they clip pretty much the same, the transition into the clipped looks better to me than one the lumix. i personally actually use an s5iix and am comtemplating switching back to blackmagic as i love BRAW, i love their menu system and i love the look of what the pyxis can do in terms of rigging and the pyxis monitor. Tho i dont know if ill sell my s5iix, its still such an incredible camera and could be more handy in less rigged scenarios and where they need the shot immediately and there isnt room for grading.
Thanks so much. The S5IIX is awesome. Keep it! Some thoughts to add: We think there is a tiny bit more dynamic range on the PYXIS. A better test would prove that, but the waveform doesn't just show a higher clip level but also shows detail in the PYXIS waveform that's not in the S5IIX waveform. But it's not a great deal, and we think that like you said that the bigger gains might be in how the PYXIS rolls off rather than the tiny bit of extra DR.
Thanks, I think we'll make something soon. In the meantime, here's our initial impressions. The image is great, comparable to the PYXIS, but in a different form factor. Then menus are really nice, so much nicer than Sony menus. I think it's the best mirrorless for filmmaking. Has excellent codec and resolution options. So flexible. At the end of the day it's a mirrorless. So it has all of the same disadvantages for serious production that any mirrorless has.
Although highlight recovery isn't part of the "true" dynamic range, it does give you an additional 2.4 stops in highlight information. I find that more useful than comparing its true dynamic range.
Yes... those features definitely matter and have an impact. I guess the point that we are trying to make is that when quoting dynamic range or comparing cameras there needs to be more standardisation so we are not comparing apples with oranges. It should be noted that highlight recovery doesn't 'recover' highlights. It attempts to reconstruct them. For example if just one colour channel has clipped, it will try and reconstruct it from the colour channels it has. That means, for example, that highlights that have been reconstructed will often be the wrong colour, or missing colour completely. So their usefulness will vary. That's why we want to see the cameras true dynamic range without those features.
@@team2films Fair enough. Although the tragedy is that most manufacturers straight up lie about their products dynamic range, and fans of the brand refuse to question it
Great review, thank you. FYI the SIGMA L-PL adapter comes with a screw, which can be used to lock the adapter to the l-mount of the Pyxis and Cinema Camera 6K. Effectively removing any sort of wiggle. 🙂
Ooo, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'd say though that a mount support is still needed, as even if the L mount doesn't wiggle, it will still flex under the weight of a moderate PL lens.
1250 is actually the best second base ISO. It's a bit weird to explain but I have this camera and if you are shooting at night, 1250 will give you the best shadow detail. Look at black magic DR chart guide and the way they do it is a bit odd. The base ISO are really 100 and 1250 if you want the cleanest shadows. I got really clean night footage at 1250.
This is very true in regards to how ISO and DR Is handled on modern systems AFAIK. But kicking up to 1250 isn’t much a boost and it isn’t the ‘base ISO’ they are claiming to be clean. So it makes sense for them to test it here! But lower ISOs will give more shadow detail! Preach
I think focus breathing has to be considered for Lumix 24-105mm F4. Otherwise, great video as always, looking forward to the next video of this series.
so so hard to decide for me how i want to setup this camera. Every Accessiore from Blackmagic itself is completely sold out in germany - everywhere. I have to shoot on next Monday. Can you recommend me anything? Is it a good idea to buy the Blackmagic 12G HDR 7 Monitor?
Hi Nick. Firstly, I would avoid spending lots of money on a short term fix. The Pyxis monitor and URSA evf are excellent. As is the Blackmagic top handle. We really like Mid49’s rigging too. Especially their base plate. You can pick up Andy Cine and Feelworld monitors really cheap. If you don’t currently have anything consider a cheap monitor until you can get the PYXIS Monitor. The blackmagic video assist is a great monitor, but it’s overkill for an on camera monitor as it requires a power solution and is thick because it records. I’d use what you have, buy something cheap if you have to and wait for the right parts before investing proper money.
I’m not totally sure but I believe you can also just pick the camera gyro option in stabilization and but the smoothness to 0 and you get the same fix?
It does help a little. But it doesn't seem to fully correct the rolling shutter. Which is why we experimented with the Gyroflow method. It FULLY corrects the rolling shutter
@9:58 I think you meant native iso, not base ISO. They mean different thing. PYXIS base ISOs are 100 and 1200. Base ISO is the lowest level you can go in native ISO range(which results more dynamic range in shadows, less in highlights). Native ISO 400 and 3200 is where the low light and highlight dynamic range is equal.
Our apologies. A lot of manufacturers have started using those terms interchangeably and we fell into the same trap! Your description of base vs native is very good. We tend to operate the camera like we're in EI mode, shoot at the native ISO, ETTR and apply attenuation in post to get the cleanest possible image. If you have any thoughts on that workflow you are welcome to share them. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The C400 is an excellent camera. We'd purchase that over the C80, but that over the C80 - but that's influenced by our shooting needs. Top 3 cameras is a difficult question, because it really depends on your needs. The Blackmagic URSA Cine 12k is a mind-blowing camera, I think it might be the best camera out there currently. We're working on a video. The PYXIS is insane value. Panasonic's S5IIX is an awesome hybrid. Canon's C400 seemingly does everything. Sony-wise, we're excited to see what they come out with next as the FX3, FX6 and FX9 are all very long-in-the-tooth! Komodo is very attractive now it's price has been dropped. But to be honest, you can make amazing content with any of the cameras above.
When shooting with the Lumix 24-105mm, did you notice it introducing noise to the sensor, as is does with the Pocket 6k? The other incompatible lens with the Pocket 6k is the Lumix 16-35mm. Have you tested it? Thank you for a succinct and infromative revew!
You didn’t mention one of the main things that limit DR…..and that is the AtoD converter in the camera. Most if not all camera in the moderate range us 12bit converters which limits DR! In the more expensive cinema cameras they use more capable converters…..
Hello, yeah the comparison would have been much plain shooting the s5iix on braw comparing 12bit to 10bit output. Don't say that the dynamic range is not the same, just say that here you are guessing
Hello, thanks so much for watching! I think you misunderstand the way that bit-depth works! Shooting BRAW on the S5IIX does not increase the cameras dynamic range. It just increases. We’re also not guessing that the PYXIS has more dynamic range. The test clearly shows more dynamic range. As it’s not a huge difference, it seems fair to say conservatively that both cameras offer similar dynamic range. Does that make sense? Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again for commenting.
@@team2films Dynamic range IS link to the bit depth sure the two use the same sampling but the variables affect also thé Dynamic range I still Say that as the two does b-raw that's thé way to do it. I cetzinly very much understand you don't have a vidéo assist12g 😉. Because also raw Can be decoded to any log si you can make slight variation in thé Dynamic range or just put thé two in the same gamma, that's you who don't understand not me, the two Can do the same so that's the way to prove your point
@@Guillaume9 hello! That’s a great point that using the same codec would have removed a variable from the comparison and made it more compelling. Thanks for the great suggestion. Just to re-iterate though, bit-depth does not affect dynamic range. It’s the Transfer function (sometimes referred to as gamma) and colour space that can affect dynamic range. When the S5IIX records raw via a video assist it is using the braw codec but it’s still using the VLog Color Soace, the same colour space used by the internal ProRes422 recording. There might be nominal differences in the image, but the dynamic range will remain essentially the same. Yes that’s right, BRAW uses log encoding. 12-bit log will record the same overall dynamic range as 10-bit log. The primary difference will be things like no chroma sub sampling and smoother tonal graduations between the stops recorded in the image. Please note: care was taken to normalise both images into an appropriate common colour space without distortion or adjustment. Sorry we didn’t show that part in the video. I hope the extra information above is helpful. Appreciate you being here.
Hi thanks for the video, have you seen the CINEMA DFM adaptor from Breakthrough? I think it's a solution for alternative ND filters. However, I believe I prefer the solution you're presenting with the filters on the front-it’s probably more stable. The Pyxis with the L mount + the DFM adaptor + a 1 kg lens might be a little unstable, don’t you think? Or maybe I’m overreacting. Is there any benefit to using ND filters on the front?
Yeah, we've seen that. We'd prefer a solution with the ND in the mount convertor. We're waiting for a brand like Kippertie or Metabones to produce one that has the ND integrated. With a mount support it should be more than capable of supporting the weight. No particular benefit to having the ND on the front. The only possible issues that sometimes arrises is if a lens needs shimming to avoid the extra glass behind the lens from throwing the back focus off.
Thank you for this quality video. I received my Pyxis at the beginning of the month, and I love it! I'm very interested in the section on Gyroflow (I didn’t know about this software before). However, I'm facing an issue I can’t seem to resolve. I recorded the video in open gate to detect and save the camera and lens information. Unfortunately, after dragging the video in, I'm unable to save the lens profile. When I click on auto calibration, after a few minutes of analysis, an error page appears, explaining that the calibration video needs to be redone because it's not good (I've redone it several times without success). How did you manage to get it working? Do I need to convert the BRAW file to ProRes or another format? Have you only tried 6K DCI, or other resolutions as well? Thanks for your time 😁🙏
I think Gyroflow might not be fully compatible with the braw coming off of the PYXIS. I'd suggest posting in Gyroflow's discord server about this. We converted to prores, to create the lens profile, and then did the rest of the correction directly within Resolve. These techniques will work with any resolution, just don't forget you need to make a specific profile using the exact lens and resolution that you are intending to stabilise.
You are welcome. It's about 95% shot on the PYXIS. No lighting though... and some of it was a little underexposed! The pickups in the city were shot on the S5IIX.
Yes, that’s a good point, ProRes would be good and perhaps it will come in the future. Although you can use BRAW in Premiere. You just need to download the plugin. Thanks for watching.
@@BoomingVisualswho are those people ? I mean in what sector of the industry do they work ? Because for cinema and TV series, it’s still 90% Avid, 5% Premiere and 5% all the others. (That doesn’t mean you can’t edit on either or even old software like Bong Joon-Ho’s Parasite was shot on Alexa 65 and edited in Final Cut Pro 7) Color grading on the other end is mostly Resolve or Baselight nowadays.
@@Bast6 Bro for every movie are tv show produces they're thousands of independent videos being edited everything day. If you look at the corporate, weddings, music videos, and content creators today, most have moved from premiere pro years ago. This was a big trend a few years ago.
@@team2films It is! But I wish for more firmware updates. It's good that BM is going for newer models, however, pixel recalibration option (now a greyed out menu item) and gyro data enabling would make 12K even better
Yeah, we get that. It's not unusual for them to add features to cameras with firmware updates. So who knows... But we know that doesn't mean anything until or if it happens. Thanks for watching. Appreciated.
@team2films yes, I would love if you would upload in HDR too. It is getting better and easier to shoot, edit and deliver HDR footage. TH-cam, Vimeo and Meta support HDR.
I love you guys for your detailed reviews and tutorials! 🙌 Also; is your indoor talking head in 360 degree shutter when talking about rolling shutter? 😂
Thanks so much. It's a 180 shutter, but there's a bit of optical flow on it because sometimes we speed ourselves up to improve the pace of the video. We'll try and address that in future videos.
@@team2films not enough to be annoying for me personally! So do what ever feels best! I'm definitely not one to tell you guys how to run your great ship 😁
I want one! But sadly I'm a hobbyist who's other half would kill me for even looking at this camera. However this was an enjoyable episode with some OK cinematography. I'm sure you'd do better with an Osmo Pocket 3.
I have said it before...if Blackmagic had the same autofocus as Sony...I would jump...they have great color science. 😁 But as a one man band...I need that auto-focus.
Yeah, it’s important for a lot of people’s workflows. I’m sure we will see future improvements. There’s some good interviews out there where BM have mentioned auto focus.
We speed up the dialogue sometimes. 105 or 106 percent. It’s not faster optical flow method so it might have introduced some artefacts. Maybe we’ll switch the workflow for future videos.
Yeah, it's a spec that can get sensationalised. We recognise that for some it is a critical issue, but there are also lot's of shooting scenarios where it has little impact. Great to have you here, thanks for commenting.
You seem very biased and I wouldn’t be surprise if you were sponsored by BMD. Don’t get me wrong, I have a Pocket 6k and like it very much. But I also have a C70 (you mentioned this camera towards the beginning of this video) and the DR is quite better. In fact, it’s not in the same league. You seem to try to discredit other manufacturers while praising BMD. Sorry, but It’s difficult to take these kind of reviews seriously.
Hello Doug. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. What in particular makes you think that we are expressing bias? We would love to hear specifics. Yes the C70 has better dynamic range than the PYXIS or S5IIX. It has 12.3 stops at a SNR of 2. The PYXIS has 11.6. So the C70 has less than one stop of extra Dynamic Range. That’s great, but not a huge jump. Some people would class that (less than a stops difference) as being in the same league. We mentioned the C70 while making the point that the C400 quotes the same DR as the four year old C70, evidence of the fact that DR gains are getting harder to come by. The C70 is a great camera! You’ll notice we’ve made videos about Red, Kinefinity and Sony on our channel that all speak in praise of those camera’s performances. We’ve clearly highlighted the cameras flaws too throughout the video and said it’s far from being a perfect camera. I think the only criticism we threw on other manufacturers was the way DR is reported for cameras. That’s all, and that seems fair given the published tests available? I hope the information above helps. We’d love to hear your thoughts and discuss any points you disagree with from the video. Is there something that we are missing? Please note: as advertised in the video, this video was not sponsored by blackmagic, it was sponsored by Audiio! Once again, we appreciate you watching and commenting and looking forward to reading your reply.
@@team2films thanks for taking the time to respond. The C70 has more than one stop more of usable DR. Sorry, but I use both and the difference is quite obvious. When pulling up the shadows (when underexposed) you’re gonna have way more noise on the BMD compared to the C70. If I don’t nail the exposure or I am in an environment that I don’t control, the BMD will give a not so good image but I am quite confident that the C70 image will look good. I watch a lot of video reviews and one of my first thoughts was “they must be paid by BMD”. But I’ve been wrong more times than I like to admit, so don’t take my comment too seriously. FWIW, this video can be sponsored by Audiio but BMD could also be giving you free stuff on other occasions. Not saying it is the case, but it’s just my feeling. BTW, I like your videos (even if my 1st comment was not very positive) and I probably watched them all more than once.
@@doug_EX Thank-you too for taking the time to send a kind reply. We appreciate your compliments about the channel. Check out Cined’s published tests. At an SNR of 1, the C70’s dynamic range improves, but its still only 1.1 stops difference. Don’t get us wrong, its good, and certainly better. But usability will vary depending on how those stops are being produced. If a camera like the C70 bakes in things like extended highlights, then we must compare that to the PYXIS when it is also using extended highlights. Apples for apples, not apples for oranges. Producing such detailed camera reviews takes a lot of time and resources. You’re looking at around three weeks of work to research, collect footage, test, write dialogue, record, edit, etc. it’s difficult to do that without the support of manufacturers, but our videos are definitely not sponsored by blackmagic. Food critiques arn’t biased because they get given food 🤣We share our own thoughts, if a feature is bad we’ll say, or simply not talk about it. But we also try to consider a feature in context of the camera’s price, intended usage, etc. We’re not influencers for hire. We’re filmmakers and educators and put an enormous amount of value on our integrity. The video spends a great deal of time highlighting the camera’s weaknesses. But It’s a stunning value prop considering what you get for 2500! You make a great point that the C70’s extra dynamic range will make it more resilient to underexposure. We’ve noticed what you described with the PYXIS. There will be other areas though where the PYXIS’ much better codec offers major advantages over the C70. Hopefully we make it clear that cameras are tools and different tools suit different types of jobs. As mentioned in the video, if the things that PYXIS prioritises align with your work, then brilliant. If not, there’s better cameras out there for you. It’s great to have you here, and please continue to ask questions or challenge conclusions in our videos. We don’t everything. Thanks :)
@@team2films again, thank you again for your comment. It shows that you put a lot of time in your videos. They are of very good quality. Looking forward to see your next videos and hope I wasn’t too harsh in my first comment.
I can't believe we've gotten to the point now that we've got to be woke about people's feelings on their cameras ridiculous. It's a freaking ass tool. I get what I can afford and then I get stuck in the ecosystem because I buy the lenses if I had one choice, it would be not to have invested so much in Sony glass gotten more pl or l mount lenses and I like Sony but it's just a freaking tool.
Yeah, they are tools! We wanted to put that section at the beginning of the video just to remind everyone we’re not saying you HAVE to buy this camera 🤣 PL is a great choice. Very stable. If a brand starts making autofocus PL lenses that might do well.
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Amazing and comprehensive video made by someone who has more experience with cameras than just a Sony fx3. I like that you acknowledge the potential flaws within context of its price bracket without just making this a comparison video to the cinema 6K
Thanks so much. It's nice to know people appreciate the context we try to bring to these discussions. Appreciate you watching and commenting.
I agree
Best camera review I’ve seen in a while! Such a healthy, unbiased and informative perspective. Thank you!
Thanks so much. Glad that came across. We’ve got more camera content coming soon. Appreciate having you here.
Great Video! Really well made and informative. Nice shots in USA! Love that classic Merc!! I think this is your best video yet - not sure if that is because of that beautiful Californian light or you just getting better as your channel matures!
Thanks Darren. The sunshine and the merc definitely helps 😎 Need to find a way of getting it in every video!
Finally, been waiting for this review for 3 years now. And will wait for another 5 years for Arles review
Hahah! Sorry! Hopefully the Arles will be out in November or December. It takes time to do these videos justice. Thanks for your patience.
@@team2filmsHowever the reviews are worth the wait. It’s a very level headed approach, and busts some of the mythology that brand loyalty inevitably creates. A good camera speaks for itself . Nothing will suit everyone, and while my Fujifilm XH 2 S produces some great images it’s a pain to rig out and use . It’s devoid of any sense of it becoming an extension of my eye. The Pyxis looks like it overcomes that issue with its menu layout and access to it. My sense of it is that it’s central to any rig in terms of how it integrates the rig to itself , rather than the feeling of a mirrorless camera integrating into the rig and getting lost, If that makes any sense at all. I’d really like to try the Pyxis.
What a fantastic non biased review, very professional and to the point, truly what a joy to watch.
I personally find a lot of value in the Pyxis, I own L Mount and an OG Komodo, I wanted to get the Pyxis as soon as BM announced but went for the Komodo since I was closer to that price and it was going to be a better investment for me at the time, but I still would love to add a Pyxis down the line as an A or B companion to my Komodo since also to me produces the best IQ I’ve had on any camera currently, I feel they’d pair up nicely, that’s currently the plan !
The Komodo is a great camera, and in many ways more capable than the PYXIS. You've made a great choice.
It's more expensive, smaller sensor, and takes ages to boot up.... but apart from that....
yes RED is more expensive but at the same time it has a better reputation and it will be easier to charge for it on your jobs :)
@@MoDa-h5nTrue that. Swings and roundabouts though. Maybe you can charge twice as much for brining a red but if the camera costs three times more…. Do you end up better off? Don’t get us wrong, we do love red though :)
@@team2films Actually yes. REDs reputation in the filmmaking industry is just so much above Blackmagic that you could quickly amortize the three times expense. BUT it really depends which kind of job you are getting. Not everybody owning a RED will get the money back. It really depends on where you are in your career. I would say the more advanced you are the more high end camera you can buy. For me a camera is an investment. It needs to pay off otherwise I don't buy it.
@@team2films You made a very good choice!
I had a 6kFF and then ordered a Pyxis. Now I'm selling the Pyxis. It was a sideways move for me, and the image quality isn't improved, like I knew it wouldn't. But I was hoping it would be something a really enjoyed rigging up. Turns out, I'm still an Ursa Mini body fan. So for sale it goes!
Yeah, Blackmagic offers similar quality in different form factors. Glad you've found the body and style that works for you. Hope the PYXIS sells well.
Was there not a return policy? Things only been shipping for a few weeks.
@@a5pictures True, that's a good point!
Why can’t you just return it and get your money back?
It was a clever intro to discuss how emotional some people can get when discussing cameras. The Pyxis is undoubtedly a good camera for that great price. I loved the different locations; it was very engaging! Thanks for all the info.
Thanks Ruben. Glad the intro hit the right note. It’s great to have you here.
@@team2films Great to be part of your gang
i love this intro, as it really is a sore topic for many people. ive several times just aired my opinion on certain brands attitude and ive gotten so many hateful responses where i am the problem and im just not educated, simply because i said i dont like a particular menu system and even praised the camera itself.
Thanks, it's nice to know it's appreciated. Wanted to make sure it was a nice chill discussion. Sometimes when we compare cameras it can be taken the wrong way. There's so many great cameras out there, this is one of them 😎
Glad it resonated with you. Thanks for watching.
Guys loved your intro! You are so right, it’s sad you have to put a disclaimer at the beginning just to mitigate people in the comments losing it over you saying a camera is good. But so true!
Hahaha, yeah - We just wanted to make it clear that we love all cameras :) We're glad the intro has resonated with people.
you guys rock, so much information on this channel unbelievable. Thank you ....
You are very welcome. Thanks
Fantastic work on this. Thank you for the fair and unbiased assessment and examples.
Thanks a lot! We try :)
I see nothing about Formative 3D and that Lidar mount!!!! I want it!!
Ooops. Let me add that right now. It’s @formative_3d on Instagram.
Man I LOOOOOVE this channel !!!!
We love having you here :) Thanks
Yes,yes, thats all very well, but how did you put that dent in the bonnet of your Mercedes? is what I want to know Great video BTW.
Hahahah! Not my Mercedes. Well spotted though. I think someone backed into it.
Excellent video and by far the best I have seen on the Pyxis.....the only real thing that I am now considering is that rolling shutter....I was not aware it's that hefty. Maybe looking at its bigger brother is worthwhile. When considering the add-ons to purchase such as the external screen, ND etc - the price difference to the URSA diminishes. Of course I already own a polar pro matte box....so there you have that mind-fu*k going on about buying or not buying....no decision made yet - but pyxis is definitely on the top 3 options on my mind. Thanks for this comprehensive video - you clearly put hell of a lot of work into it....much appreciated. Thank you
The URSA is an absolutely amazing camera. it's considerably more than the PYXIS though. A reasonable Pyxis package is going to hit around 4k. An URSA package is going to be north of 15k.
Rolling shutter is what you make of it. Remember, the PYXIS has the same rolling shutter as the Burano that costs 25k. We've been shooting with the Mavo LF for the past 4 years, that has the same rolling shutter and it's not something that is an issue for us.
There's no perfect cameras at that price point. It's just a case of what compromises you are willing to accept. It sounds like you know what you are doing. Let us know what you decide please!
PS We've got a video on the URSA coming out. Hopefully later this month. Thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a kind comment.
@@team2films Thank you for the time you also invest in the answers.
Am I doing the math wrong here?
PYXIS 3'700
Monitor Kit 600 (depending on the kit, but roundabout)
DJI Focus Pro 1'000
PL-L Adapter with ND 1'000
Cage 500
(V-Mount Battery option excluded)
Total roundabout 6'800,-
URSA 5'700
DJI Focus Pro 1'000
PL-L Adapter with other than ND filter 1'000
Cage/Rig parts 1'000
Total 8'700
So basically 2'000 difference. Not so huge I think. How do you get to your 15K cost for the URSA rigged up?
I've watched a lot of other PYXIS videos meanwhile and also dismiss the rolling shutter now. I am really looking forward to your URSA video....I was searching your channel for a video on that camera....happy to hear it's coming :) Again thanks a lot for even answering....!
Great and entertaining review!
Thanks for sharing. About NDs have you considered the Poco Mofage ?
Yes, it looks cool. Not tried it. We're really interested in a totally integrated solution though that can go from clear to ND without having to remove inserts or drop in filters. Metabones and Kippertie already have solutions like that, they just need to convert them to L Mount.
A terrific video, as usual. I would use Neat Video for Noise Reduction, still the industry standard.
Great suggestion. Thanks. Appreciate the kind comment too. Great to have you here.
Perspective, distilled insights, well communicated content. Refreshing.
Thanks. We appreciate your kind comment. Great to have you here.
This was an excellent review. You've earned a follower. Such a good and interesting review.
Very informative video. Even though I use this camera already over a month and I also put out my take on it. I still learned something here today. Thanks! Greets from Amsterdam!
Great video. It is however important to know that 400 and 3200 ISO are the native ISOs. If you want the cleanest image then shooting at 100 ISO and 1250 ISO would be your best bet. Have a look at the Dual Gain Sensor chart from black magic.
Hello! Sorry for the confusion, a lot of camera manufacturers use the terms base and native interchangeably. We understand the concept you are describing of using the lowest ISO of each native range (I.e. 100). However it doesn’t inherently have lower noise levels than using the native ISO (I.e. 400) as 100 is just 400 but with attenuation applied. It’s like you are shooting at 400 with ETTR exposure and then bringing it down 2 stops in post. It will look cleaner as the noise in the image gets lowered too, but it is still essentially the same image as shooting at 400 with ETTR. Does that make sense? It’s possible to get exactly the same image at 400 with post adjustment as it is to shoot in camera at 100. Thanks for watching and commenting. It’s great to have you here and we’re looking forward to your response.
@@team2films Completely agree, the power of shooting RAW. Since the ISO is only boosting the signal from the already captured image by the sensor to the SD. When looking at the 3200 Native ISO you can the conclude that you'll have a less noisy image at 1250 at the same exposure range than using 3200. Due to the fact that shooting at 1250 ISO you'll be forced to supply the sensor with more light by opening up the aperture or increasing your lightsource intensity which at the end enables a better Signal to noise ratio. Please correct my if I am wrong.
@@hendricobekker1469 We are totally on the same page. It's a six of one, half a dozen of the other situation. We were just checking because a lot of people don't realise that ISO is just gain or attenuation being applied to a signal (unless you are switching native). It's so nice to have an intelligent conversation in the comments :) Thanks so much for watching and caring enough to comment :)
@@team2films Exactly. My pleasure, thank you for the content. Always insightful.
it is funny that there are bunches of companies out there who were keeping the same sensor and just changed the form factor or workflow, but no one saying anything. Pyxis and 6k FF sharing the same sensor but they are different kind of camera.
Sony a7siii and fx3 is a great example of this,the same sensor, different use cases. Arri reused the same sensor for a decade across multiple cams. It’s not about image quality, no one seems to ever make anything on TH-cam, it’s about people being able to say they bought the latest and greatest and it was expensive. Something being affordable and great is a recipe for criticism from folks that spent significantly more for fractional improvements if any. Sunk Cost Fallacy.
That’s a great point that we sensor re-use elsewhere in the industry and are happy to overlook 🤣 The PYXIS isn’t a perfect camera but it’s hard to fault its value.
@@team2films no camera is perfect, but as tools they can be perfect for specific uses, I easyrigged an Alexa LF for three days on a job and as beautiful as the footage was, the thing was still damn heavy even with the rig! The Pyxis would have been a perfect alternative as a B cam to fly while the LF lived on sticks.
i fell like in the shot of the pyxis and the s5iix, the trim in the outside seems to have a smoother transition into the highlights on the pyxis compared to the s5iix, so even tho they clip pretty much the same, the transition into the clipped looks better to me than one the lumix. i personally actually use an s5iix and am comtemplating switching back to blackmagic as i love BRAW, i love their menu system and i love the look of what the pyxis can do in terms of rigging and the pyxis monitor. Tho i dont know if ill sell my s5iix, its still such an incredible camera and could be more handy in less rigged scenarios and where they need the shot immediately and there isnt room for grading.
Thanks so much. The S5IIX is awesome. Keep it! Some thoughts to add: We think there is a tiny bit more dynamic range on the PYXIS. A better test would prove that, but the waveform doesn't just show a higher clip level but also shows detail in the PYXIS waveform that's not in the S5IIX waveform. But it's not a great deal, and we think that like you said that the bigger gains might be in how the PYXIS rolls off rather than the tiny bit of extra DR.
Best review by far! I ordered the XLCS cage for mine:)
Pretty sure people would love to see your in-depth perspective on S5IIX.
Thanks, I think we'll make something soon. In the meantime, here's our initial impressions.
The image is great, comparable to the PYXIS, but in a different form factor. Then menus are really nice, so much nicer than Sony menus. I think it's the best mirrorless for filmmaking. Has excellent codec and resolution options. So flexible. At the end of the day it's a mirrorless. So it has all of the same disadvantages for serious production that any mirrorless has.
Although highlight recovery isn't part of the "true" dynamic range, it does give you an additional 2.4 stops in highlight information. I find that more useful than comparing its true dynamic range.
Yes... those features definitely matter and have an impact. I guess the point that we are trying to make is that when quoting dynamic range or comparing cameras there needs to be more standardisation so we are not comparing apples with oranges.
It should be noted that highlight recovery doesn't 'recover' highlights. It attempts to reconstruct them. For example if just one colour channel has clipped, it will try and reconstruct it from the colour channels it has. That means, for example, that highlights that have been reconstructed will often be the wrong colour, or missing colour completely. So their usefulness will vary. That's why we want to see the cameras true dynamic range without those features.
@@team2films Fair enough. Although the tragedy is that most manufacturers straight up lie about their products dynamic range, and fans of the brand refuse to question it
Great review, thank you. FYI the SIGMA L-PL adapter comes with a screw, which can be used to lock the adapter to the l-mount of the Pyxis and Cinema Camera 6K. Effectively removing any sort of wiggle. 🙂
Ooo, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I'd say though that a mount support is still needed, as even if the L mount doesn't wiggle, it will still flex under the weight of a moderate PL lens.
@@team2films Very welcome! For heavy PL lenses, especially zooms, I agree that both the lock plus a support should be considered.
1250 is actually the best second base ISO. It's a bit weird to explain but I have this camera and if you are shooting at night, 1250 will give you the best shadow detail. Look at black magic DR chart guide and the way they do it is a bit odd. The base ISO are really 100 and 1250 if you want the cleanest shadows. I got really clean night footage at 1250.
This is very true in regards to how ISO and DR Is handled on modern systems AFAIK. But kicking up to 1250 isn’t much a boost and it isn’t the ‘base ISO’ they are claiming to be clean. So it makes sense for them to test it here! But lower ISOs will give more shadow detail! Preach
Awesome review and video. Looking forward to a canon c80 review 😊
Thanks so much, yeah it would be great to get our hands on one. We will see what we can do.
Grateful for this review. Thank you!
You are welcome. Thank-you
Great video as usual! Is the mount user interchangeable? I can see four screws around.
No, sorry. Unless someone works out how to do it in the future and makes a third party mount.
I think focus breathing has to be considered for Lumix 24-105mm F4. Otherwise, great video as always, looking forward to the next video of this series.
Yeah for sure it breathes. Pulling focus during a shot is kind of hard anyway as its focus by wire. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Wow thank you for the education. Great video. This is my future camera. I am manifesting it. ❤
Do it! Thanks so much for watching.
so so hard to decide for me how i want to setup this camera. Every Accessiore from Blackmagic itself is completely sold out in germany - everywhere. I have to shoot on next Monday. Can you recommend me anything? Is it a good idea to buy the Blackmagic 12G HDR 7 Monitor?
Hi Nick. Firstly, I would avoid spending lots of money on a short term fix. The Pyxis monitor and URSA evf are excellent. As is the Blackmagic top handle. We really like Mid49’s rigging too. Especially their base plate.
You can pick up Andy Cine and Feelworld monitors really cheap. If you don’t currently have anything consider a cheap monitor until you can get the PYXIS Monitor.
The blackmagic video assist is a great monitor, but it’s overkill for an on camera monitor as it requires a power solution and is thick because it records.
I’d use what you have, buy something cheap if you have to and wait for the right parts before investing proper money.
Great review. What kind of travel bag do you use for the camera when filming on the streets of LA for example?
We used peak design's everyday backpack. It works ok, it's a little squishy for such a large camera though!
Great video! What lens did you use on the woman walking shot at 9:18? Looks sweet. Thanks
It's the 25mm DZO Film Arles. Absolutely awesome lens
20:46 wth is that weird artefact??? YT compression bug or a PYXIS pyxel explosion?
Oh yeah WOAH! Definitely not a PYXIS issue. I think that’s a TH-cam issue as I didn’t see it in the render. Thanks for watching.
I’m not totally sure but I believe you can also just pick the camera gyro option in stabilization and but the smoothness to 0 and you get the same fix?
It does help a little. But it doesn't seem to fully correct the rolling shutter. Which is why we experimented with the Gyroflow method. It FULLY corrects the rolling shutter
Great take on this camera.
Thanks, appreciate that.
@9:58 I think you meant native iso, not base ISO. They mean different thing.
PYXIS base ISOs are 100 and 1200. Base ISO is the lowest level you can go in native ISO range(which results more dynamic range in shadows, less in highlights).
Native ISO 400 and 3200 is where the low light and highlight dynamic range is equal.
Our apologies. A lot of manufacturers have started using those terms interchangeably and we fell into the same trap! Your description of base vs native is very good. We tend to operate the camera like we're in EI mode, shoot at the native ISO, ETTR and apply attenuation in post to get the cleanest possible image. If you have any thoughts on that workflow you are welcome to share them. Thanks for watching and commenting.
What are the 3 top cinema cameras you would use as a filmmaking. Would you purchase the C400 or C80?
The C400 is an excellent camera. We'd purchase that over the C80, but that over the C80 - but that's influenced by our shooting needs.
Top 3 cameras is a difficult question, because it really depends on your needs.
The Blackmagic URSA Cine 12k is a mind-blowing camera, I think it might be the best camera out there currently. We're working on a video.
The PYXIS is insane value.
Panasonic's S5IIX is an awesome hybrid.
Canon's C400 seemingly does everything.
Sony-wise, we're excited to see what they come out with next as the FX3, FX6 and FX9 are all very long-in-the-tooth!
Komodo is very attractive now it's price has been dropped.
But to be honest, you can make amazing content with any of the cameras above.
When shooting with the Lumix 24-105mm, did you notice it introducing noise to the sensor, as is does with the Pocket 6k? The other incompatible lens with the Pocket 6k is the Lumix 16-35mm. Have you tested it? Thank you for a succinct and infromative revew!
No, no weird noise issues were spotted with the 24-105mm. Thanks for watching.
You didn’t mention one of the main things that limit DR…..and that is the AtoD converter in the camera.
Most if not all camera in the moderate range us 12bit converters which limits DR! In the more expensive cinema cameras they use more capable converters…..
Hello, yeah the comparison would have been much plain shooting the s5iix on braw comparing 12bit to 10bit output. Don't say that the dynamic range is not the same, just say that here you are guessing
Hello, thanks so much for watching! I think you misunderstand the way that bit-depth works! Shooting BRAW on the S5IIX does not increase the cameras dynamic range. It just increases. We’re also not guessing that the PYXIS has more dynamic range. The test clearly shows more dynamic range. As it’s not a huge difference, it seems fair to say conservatively that both cameras offer similar dynamic range. Does that make sense? Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks again for commenting.
@@team2films Dynamic range IS link to the bit depth sure the two use the same sampling but the variables affect also thé Dynamic range I still Say that as the two does b-raw that's thé way to do it.
I cetzinly very much understand you don't have a vidéo assist12g 😉. Because also raw Can be decoded to any log si you can make slight variation in thé Dynamic range or just put thé two in the same gamma, that's you who don't understand not me, the two Can do the same so that's the way to prove your point
@@Guillaume9 hello! That’s a great point that using the same codec would have removed a variable from the comparison and made it more compelling. Thanks for the great suggestion.
Just to re-iterate though, bit-depth does not affect dynamic range. It’s the Transfer function (sometimes referred to as gamma) and colour space that can affect dynamic range.
When the S5IIX records raw via a video assist it is using the braw codec but it’s still using the VLog Color Soace, the same colour space used by the internal ProRes422 recording. There might be nominal differences in the image, but the dynamic range will remain essentially the same. Yes that’s right, BRAW uses log encoding.
12-bit log will record the same overall dynamic range as 10-bit log. The primary difference will be things like no chroma sub sampling and smoother tonal graduations between the stops recorded in the image.
Please note: care was taken to normalise both images into an appropriate common colour space without distortion or adjustment. Sorry we didn’t show that part in the video.
I hope the extra information above is helpful. Appreciate you being here.
Hi thanks for the video, have you seen the CINEMA DFM adaptor from Breakthrough? I think it's a solution for alternative ND filters. However, I believe I prefer the solution you're presenting with the filters on the front-it’s probably more stable. The Pyxis with the L mount + the DFM adaptor + a 1 kg lens might be a little unstable, don’t you think? Or maybe I’m overreacting. Is there any benefit to using ND filters on the front?
Yeah, we've seen that. We'd prefer a solution with the ND in the mount convertor. We're waiting for a brand like Kippertie or Metabones to produce one that has the ND integrated. With a mount support it should be more than capable of supporting the weight.
No particular benefit to having the ND on the front. The only possible issues that sometimes arrises is if a lens needs shimming to avoid the extra glass behind the lens from throwing the back focus off.
@@team2films Yes, I agree, thank you!! :)
Could you do a battery life test with that 90w bp-u battery? :)
@ProAVTV did a test with these exact batteries. It’s in their review video.
i personally find blackmagics noise very pleasing, it looks very good and i dont think it needs a ton of noise reduction
Glad to hear
really great video !!! and right to the point ! 😉
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for this quality video. I received my Pyxis at the beginning of the month, and I love it!
I'm very interested in the section on Gyroflow (I didn’t know about this software before).
However, I'm facing an issue I can’t seem to resolve. I recorded the video in open gate to detect and save the camera and lens information.
Unfortunately, after dragging the video in, I'm unable to save the lens profile. When I click on auto calibration, after a few minutes of analysis, an error page appears, explaining that the calibration video needs to be redone because it's not good (I've redone it several times without success).
How did you manage to get it working? Do I need to convert the BRAW file to ProRes or another format? Have you only tried 6K DCI, or other resolutions as well?
Thanks for your time 😁🙏
I think Gyroflow might not be fully compatible with the braw coming off of the PYXIS. I'd suggest posting in Gyroflow's discord server about this. We converted to prores, to create the lens profile, and then did the rest of the correction directly within Resolve. These techniques will work with any resolution, just don't forget you need to make a specific profile using the exact lens and resolution that you are intending to stabilise.
Great review! Thanks for the video.
You are welcome. Thanks for watching.
thank you for part 2, which camera you used to shoot your contribution ?
You are welcome. It's about 95% shot on the PYXIS. No lighting though... and some of it was a little underexposed! The pickups in the city were shot on the S5IIX.
Very nice and true information explained. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks so much.
For all the caveats, Blackmagic has always offered a great bang for the buck when it comes to image quality.
That's an excellent summary. Couldn't have said it better.
It's just the ProRes issue. BMRaw makes it another step for the client to deal with as 90% use Premiere. We need ProRes options for this camera.
Yes, that’s a good point, ProRes would be good and perhaps it will come in the future. Although you can use BRAW in Premiere. You just need to download the plugin. Thanks for watching.
Most people in the US have left premiere pro for davinci or final cut.
Buy a BM video assist monitor and record prores from that.
@@BoomingVisualswho are those people ? I mean in what sector of the industry do they work ?
Because for cinema and TV series, it’s still 90% Avid, 5% Premiere and 5% all the others. (That doesn’t mean you can’t edit on either or even old software like Bong Joon-Ho’s Parasite was shot on Alexa 65 and edited in Final Cut Pro 7)
Color grading on the other end is mostly Resolve or Baselight nowadays.
@@Bast6 Bro for every movie are tv show produces they're thousands of independent videos being edited everything day. If you look at the corporate, weddings, music videos, and content creators today, most have moved from premiere pro years ago. This was a big trend a few years ago.
Very good video, subscribed !
8:30 why didn't you try it in the builtin stab in Davinci just set it to 0 and use gyro flow
The inbuilt stab doesn't fully correct the rolling shutter. Try it. Gyroflow can.
Is Blackmagic's own URSA mini 12K 18:02 priced the same as the FX6 although here in Europe I've seen prices for the 12K can go up to 8000 Euro (VAT)
Yep. Same prices as the FX6 give or take. Amazing right!?
@@team2films It is! But I wish for more firmware updates. It's good that BM is going for newer models, however, pixel recalibration option (now a greyed out menu item) and gyro data enabling would make 12K even better
Very well explained video. I like it.
That's a good quick build
Great video, thank you.
You are so welcome ❤️
Wish BMD had ProRes or h265. BRAW doesn’t work for me
Yeah, we get that. It's not unusual for them to add features to cameras with firmware updates. So who knows... But we know that doesn't mean anything until or if it happens. Thanks for watching. Appreciated.
love the 8K
Glad you're loving it so much. Thanks for commenting.
@team2films yes, I would love if you would upload in HDR too. It is getting better and easier to shoot, edit and deliver HDR footage. TH-cam, Vimeo and Meta support HDR.
Awesome video!!
Glad you enjoyed it
I love you guys for your detailed reviews and tutorials! 🙌 Also; is your indoor talking head in 360 degree shutter when talking about rolling shutter? 😂
Thanks so much. It's a 180 shutter, but there's a bit of optical flow on it because sometimes we speed ourselves up to improve the pace of the video. We'll try and address that in future videos.
@@team2films not enough to be annoying for me personally! So do what ever feels best! I'm definitely not one to tell you guys how to run your great ship 😁
What is your lavalier microphone please
Sennheiser MKE 2 Gold
I want one!
But sadly I'm a hobbyist who's other half would kill me for even looking at this camera. However this was an enjoyable episode with some OK cinematography.
I'm sure you'd do better with an Osmo Pocket 3.
Thanks! Yeah the cinematography in this video isn’t amazing. We don’t always have time to arrange shoots for this videos.
@@team2films I was joking 😃
The filming was really good. Lots of interesting on-the-fly composition setups.
I forgot to add a smiley face.
@@team2films which camera did you use to shoot the talking heads on this video?
@@phrasalsyntax 90% PYXIS with ARLES primes. No lighting though, and some of it was a little underexposed.
9:24 a really good bandade lol
Hahah! Yeah, it works alright! Thanks for watching.
I have said it before...if Blackmagic had the same autofocus as Sony...I would jump...they have great color science. 😁 But as a one man band...I need that auto-focus.
Yeah, it’s important for a lot of people’s workflows. I’m sure we will see future improvements. There’s some good interviews out there where BM have mentioned auto focus.
Why don’t you just learn to use MF, it is and will always outshine AF in terms of look and feel.
love your work 👌
Thanks Terence, appreciate that. Great to have you here.
Weird render or slow shutter artifacts in this video, intentional?
We speed up the dialogue sometimes. 105 or 106 percent. It’s not faster optical flow method so it might have introduced some artefacts. Maybe we’ll switch the workflow for future videos.
@@team2films thanks for the explanation 👍
Excelent review!!
Thanks for watching.
Thank you
Honestly, rolling shutter is pretty low on the list for me.
Yeah, it's a spec that can get sensationalised. We recognise that for some it is a critical issue, but there are also lot's of shooting scenarios where it has little impact. Great to have you here, thanks for commenting.
Tbh i don't think anyone that isn't a cam op cares or can even see rolling shutter.
Yeah, for sure. I think people make a bigger deal of it than it is. It's something to talk about in reviews.
where the footages?
We’ve not made them available for this video. Sorry.
First!
Congrats 🥳 Thanks for watching.
I watched the whole thing for you guys not to link the Lidar mount! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
That’s fixed. Sorry, contact @formative_3d on Instagram
You seem very biased and I wouldn’t be surprise if you were sponsored by BMD. Don’t get me wrong, I have a Pocket 6k and like it very much. But I also have a C70 (you mentioned this camera towards the beginning of this video) and the DR is quite better.
In fact, it’s not in the same league.
You seem to try to discredit other manufacturers while praising BMD.
Sorry, but It’s difficult to take these kind of reviews seriously.
Hello Doug. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. What in particular makes you think that we are expressing bias? We would love to hear specifics.
Yes the C70 has better dynamic range than the PYXIS or S5IIX. It has 12.3 stops at a SNR of 2. The PYXIS has 11.6. So the C70 has less than one stop of extra Dynamic Range. That’s great, but not a huge jump. Some people would class that (less than a stops difference) as being in the same league. We mentioned the C70 while making the point that the C400 quotes the same DR as the four year old C70, evidence of the fact that DR gains are getting harder to come by. The C70 is a great camera!
You’ll notice we’ve made videos about Red, Kinefinity and Sony on our channel that all speak in praise of those camera’s performances. We’ve clearly highlighted the cameras flaws too throughout the video and said it’s far from being a perfect camera. I think the only criticism we threw on other manufacturers was the way DR is reported for cameras. That’s all, and that seems fair given the published tests available?
I hope the information above helps. We’d love to hear your thoughts and discuss any points you disagree with from the video. Is there something that we are missing? Please note: as advertised in the video, this video was not sponsored by blackmagic, it was sponsored by Audiio!
Once again, we appreciate you watching and commenting and looking forward to reading your reply.
@@team2films thanks for taking the time to respond.
The C70 has more than one stop more of usable DR. Sorry, but I use both and the difference is quite obvious.
When pulling up the shadows (when underexposed) you’re gonna have way more noise on the BMD compared to the C70. If I don’t nail the exposure or I am in an environment that I don’t control, the BMD will give a not so good image but I am quite confident that the C70 image will look good.
I watch a lot of video reviews and one of my first thoughts was “they must be paid by BMD”. But I’ve been wrong more times than I like to admit, so don’t take my comment too seriously.
FWIW, this video can be sponsored by Audiio but BMD could also be giving you free stuff on other occasions.
Not saying it is the case, but it’s just my feeling.
BTW, I like your videos (even if my 1st comment was not very positive) and I probably watched them all more than once.
@@doug_EX Thank-you too for taking the time to send a kind reply. We appreciate your compliments about the channel. Check out Cined’s published tests. At an SNR of 1, the C70’s dynamic range improves, but its still only 1.1 stops difference. Don’t get us wrong, its good, and certainly better. But usability will vary depending on how those stops are being produced. If a camera like the C70 bakes in things like extended highlights, then we must compare that to the PYXIS when it is also using extended highlights. Apples for apples, not apples for oranges.
Producing such detailed camera reviews takes a lot of time and resources. You’re looking at around three weeks of work to research, collect footage, test, write dialogue, record, edit, etc. it’s difficult to do that without the support of manufacturers, but our videos are definitely not sponsored by blackmagic. Food critiques arn’t biased because they get given food 🤣We share our own thoughts, if a feature is bad we’ll say, or simply not talk about it. But we also try to consider a feature in context of the camera’s price, intended usage, etc. We’re not influencers for hire. We’re filmmakers and educators and put an enormous amount of value on our integrity. The video spends a great deal of time highlighting the camera’s weaknesses. But It’s a stunning value prop considering what you get for 2500!
You make a great point that the C70’s extra dynamic range will make it more resilient to underexposure. We’ve noticed what you described with the PYXIS. There will be other areas though where the PYXIS’ much better codec offers major advantages over the C70. Hopefully we make it clear that cameras are tools and different tools suit different types of jobs. As mentioned in the video, if the things that PYXIS prioritises align with your work, then brilliant. If not, there’s better cameras out there for you.
It’s great to have you here, and please continue to ask questions or challenge conclusions in our videos. We don’t everything. Thanks :)
@@team2films again, thank you again for your comment.
It shows that you put a lot of time in your videos. They are of very good quality.
Looking forward to see your next videos and hope I wasn’t too harsh in my first comment.
@@doug_EX no sweat at all. It’s nice to have a good conversation :) probably be some more Resolve content next. It’s been quite camera heavy recently.
Wow the jello 🤣
Wibble Wobble!
I can't believe we've gotten to the point now that we've got to be woke about people's feelings on their cameras ridiculous. It's a freaking ass tool. I get what I can afford and then I get stuck in the ecosystem because I buy the lenses if I had one choice, it would be not to have invested so much in Sony glass gotten more pl or l mount lenses and I like Sony but it's just a freaking tool.
Yeah, they are tools! We wanted to put that section at the beginning of the video just to remind everyone we’re not saying you HAVE to buy this camera 🤣
PL is a great choice. Very stable. If a brand starts making autofocus PL lenses that might do well.
This is the real acknowledged fair review by real acknowledged person. no body didi it before.
Great job! Thank you!
You are welcome. Thanks for watching