I remember reading up on this that they originally thought the NA and the Pelican were two distinct Nebula, but the reality is, it's all one massive complex of nebulosity, and the "space" they thought separated the two, was actually just dark nebulosity within the singular complex. But how fortunate, as without that dark nebulosity, it would just be a massive, but indistinct nebula, instead of two, very iconic ones.
That's crazy cool info, Joe. I always thought they were separated and never even considered it was a darker nebula sitting in front of them. Awesome pic!
Hi Joe! Great insight on this nebula. Completely ignored this area when I imaged the Cygnus Wall a few years ago so it was a real eye-opener when you walked through your explanation. Super cool processing to bring it to the forefront. APOD worthy!!
Dark nebula against bright emission nebula are my favorite DSO's. The Pacman nebula was the "ah ha!" moment for me.. realizing the dark areas were not empty space. Great final image! :)
Before I watch the video… I must say that the dark thing in between the NA and Pelican nebulae is a dark nebula. Not many show this feature in their pictures of the region.
@@JoesAstrophoto you brought it out quite nicely! Isn't it amazing to see through it, only to find out that more bright nebula is underneath it? Well done, Joe!
Thank you. I've been cheering on people who pull that darkness out from the background for some while. I realised the reality of this region some time ago when I pushed a NA image beyond where I would normally stop
Interesting Video Joe. That Dark Dust Lane is Very Catchy to me. I like Dark Clouds In space, especially the Barnard Objects! What we call "Bok Globules"
Great image! Thanks. I'd seen the LDN designation before, but it never really clicked as to what it meant. It's pretty obvious from your image that it's dust sitting between us and the nebulae (or maybe it should be nebula, as it would appear the NA and Pelican are really just one huge nebula with a dust cloud obscuring a central part from our point of view).
Thanks Dave! I guess it is just one big nebula as you say. Just hard to think of it that way after thinking it was two all this time. At least I thought it was two until now.
That area was also one of my first images. I had done Andromeda and thought I'd try it out. I was using my Lumix G9 and a 50-200 lens on a Star Adventurer. I couldn't see any nebulosity at all in single subs... so it was really more of a "point and pray". At that time, I thought they were two separate nebulae with empty space between them. It wasn't until I hit that area again with my 294MM / GT81 and SHO filters that I really saw it for what it was. The image I took is one of my monitor's wallpaper. The Soul is on my other monitor.
Hi Joe, VERY interesting. It brings back memories of my early days of meteorology with the advent of weather satellites. At first, we were amazed at seeing the clouds from above. But there were certain images that were confusing and I didn't know what I was looking at. "If only I could animate it"... that would help a lot and change the perspective of what I was seeing. The same goes here ... if only we could animate the view. I am sure you would see that dark area move as a low unilluminated area of dust obscuring the brightly lit gasses behind it. As Spock would say, "Fascinating"
That was really interesting Joe, I always thought that area was just empty space. You brought the nebulosity out really well to demonstrate what it really is.
Great detail in the dark nebula! Without that dust, there just wouldn't be Pelican. This would be a much less interesting piece of space to image without that dust. (I'm on a bit of a dust binge in Cepheus and Taurus at the moment, lol)
Very interesting video Joe. It always nice to learn something new about the targets which adds a lot more meaning to an imaging session. I think there must be a lot more dark nebulae out there masquerading as empty space.
Fantastic Image. I am just a beginner. You have taught me something new today. Thank you! When it comes to this hobby. My wife tells me that there is nothing but empty space between my ears. This may help to convince her otherwise. lol. Your images are amazing. I hope to achieve this level of success someday.
Great image Joe, really superb. I knew it was dark nebulae because with my color camera there is hardly a break between the North America and The Pelican in my pictures But that being said, the shot you are showing here is why I would change to mono, that's what I miss in osc imaging
Thanks Siegfried! The only time I shot OSC was with a dslr. I jumped into mono with my first dedicated astro cam and never tried OSC again. I see some awesome images with them though. If you ever jump into mono and have any questions, just hit me up.
The 3D feeling is incredible. The photograph has impressive details. Congratulations Joe. Your observatory site is beautiful even if you have Winnie-the-Pooh and his family visiting you every night .😅
Excellent video Joe and very informative. I actually did know about the dark nebula in between, similar to the middle of M78. I like how decided to focus in on that and you wound getting a great shot of it especially all of the detail. Cheers Kurt
Amazing final image and great video Joe. I also love dark nebulae and the mix of emission and dark nebulae - look really cool. I just did my very first (one sub) image of NGC 7000 cool object ...but I knew there is a dark nebula. ;-) cs
Stunning image Joe! Really love your image processing, the colours pop just enough but you never take them too far. I never knew there was a dark nebula in between, definitely just assumed it was empty space. You’ve inspired me to reshoot the target and try to bring it out the same way you achieved. Wanted also get your thoughts on mono ZWO cameras. I’m currently using a one shot colour camera, the 294MC pro and have been debating switching over to mono for a while now. I know you mentioned that you use the 2600mm but also the 294mm pro. I was also looking at the latter option but wanted to see what you thought of it vs the 2600?
Thanks so much Jon! I love both cameras, but the 2600MM is the better camera. It just picks up more details in my opinion. That being said however, I find the 294MM to give me sharper images when I use it with my EdgeHD because the pixel scale is a much better match. The 294MM can also be unlocked into bin1 mode and works really well for lower focal lengths. I find myself still using the 2600 with my z81 reduced to 447mm but I do need to drizzle the data. The other thing to consider is cost. The 294 is much less expensive and you can get away using smaller filters as well. Hope that helps, you won’t really be disappointed with either camera.
That was a very interesting point. Thanks for sharing it Joe!! Did you try a deep integration with the L filter? Just to capture all that dark nebulosity
I remember reading up on this that they originally thought the NA and the Pelican were two distinct Nebula, but the reality is, it's all one massive complex of nebulosity, and the "space" they thought separated the two, was actually just dark nebulosity within the singular complex. But how fortunate, as without that dark nebulosity, it would just be a massive, but indistinct nebula, instead of two, very iconic ones.
That's crazy cool info, Joe. I always thought they were separated and never even considered it was a darker nebula sitting in front of them. Awesome pic!
Thanks so much Chuck! It's crazy when you realize something like that. I never knew until now.
Hi Joe! Great insight on this nebula. Completely ignored this area when I imaged the Cygnus Wall a few years ago so it was a real eye-opener when you walked through your explanation. Super cool processing to bring it to the forefront. APOD worthy!!
Thanks so much Brian! I appreciate the cool comment.
Dark nebula against bright emission nebula are my favorite DSO's. The Pacman nebula was the "ah ha!" moment for me.. realizing the dark areas were not empty space. Great final image! :)
Thanks James! The Pacman is another one of my favs for dark nebula.
As a new astrophotographer I’m in awe at everyone’s photos. The image of yours is stunning.
Thanks so much Gray, and welcome to this wonderfully addicting and satisfying hobby!
Before I watch the video… I must say that the dark thing in between the NA and Pelican nebulae is a dark nebula. Not many show this feature in their pictures of the region.
Good call Enrique, that’s exactly what it is!
@@JoesAstrophoto you brought it out quite nicely! Isn't it amazing to see through it, only to find out that more bright nebula is underneath it? Well done, Joe!
@@enriqueboeneker Thanks man, it’s really cool!
Thank you. I've been cheering on people who pull that darkness out from the background for some while. I realised the reality of this region some time ago when I pushed a NA image beyond where I would normally stop
Thanks so much Peter! It's amazing what we learn as we go.
Interesting Video Joe. That Dark Dust Lane is Very Catchy to me. I like Dark Clouds In space, especially the Barnard Objects! What we call "Bok Globules"
Thanks Avanteesh! I like them too. Every time the Moon is new, I try and find a dark nebula to image.
Great image! Thanks. I'd seen the LDN designation before, but it never really clicked as to what it meant. It's pretty obvious from your image that it's dust sitting between us and the nebulae (or maybe it should be nebula, as it would appear the NA and Pelican are really just one huge nebula with a dust cloud obscuring a central part from our point of view).
Thanks Dave! I guess it is just one big nebula as you say. Just hard to think of it that way after thinking it was two all this time. At least I thought it was two until now.
Wow, you're right. I didn't know that. Thanks, Joe, that's an absolutely beautiful image too!
Thanks Joe! I was excited when I figured it out.
That area was also one of my first images. I had done Andromeda and thought I'd try it out. I was using my Lumix G9 and a 50-200 lens on a Star Adventurer. I couldn't see any nebulosity at all in single subs... so it was really more of a "point and pray". At that time, I thought they were two separate nebulae with empty space between them.
It wasn't until I hit that area again with my 294MM / GT81 and SHO filters that I really saw it for what it was. The image I took is one of my monitor's wallpaper. The Soul is on my other monitor.
Thanks Jonny! It's surprising isn't it? I'm always discovering so many wonderful things in this hobby.
@@JoesAstrophoto it's one of the reasons I like this hobby so much. I'm always learning stuff... and realizing I should have gotten better gear :P
Hi Joe,
VERY interesting. It brings back memories of my early days of meteorology with the advent of weather satellites. At first, we were amazed at seeing the clouds from above. But there were certain images that were confusing and I didn't know what I was looking at. "If only I could animate it"... that would help a lot and change the perspective of what I was seeing. The same goes here ... if only we could animate the view. I am sure you would see that dark area move as a low unilluminated area of dust obscuring the brightly lit gasses behind it. As Spock would say, "Fascinating"
Thanks Pat! Wouldn’t it be awesome if we could do that or see it up close enough to see it happening? “It’s only logical”
That was really interesting Joe, I always thought that area was just empty space. You brought the nebulosity out really well to demonstrate what it really is.
Thanks so much John, I’ll never look at it the same way now either.
Great detail in the dark nebula! Without that dust, there just wouldn't be Pelican. This would be a much less interesting piece of space to image without that dust. (I'm on a bit of a dust binge in Cepheus and Taurus at the moment, lol)
Thanks Al, I agree! I’ve been very interested in dark nebula as well lately.
I had no idea there was a dark nebula in the foreground. Cool to see the observatory too.
Thanks John! I was surprised as well.
Great info.. never thought it could be dark nebula... flipping it over made it stand out so much. CS
Thanks Jason! I thought so too because my eyes would naturally go the NA or Pelican when it was the other way.
Very interesting Joe and really adds a new dimension to that popular image. Really enjoyed your video
Thanks so much Glenn! Always appreciated!
Very cool 😎
That’s easily one of the best images I think you’ve ever taken. Just a phenomenal job!
Thanks so much Mike, much appreciated! I'm very happy with the results.
Beautiful work man! 👏🔭🍻
Thanks so much Ron!
Very interesting video Joe. It always nice to learn something new about the targets which adds a lot more meaning to an imaging session. I think there must be a lot more dark nebulae out there masquerading as empty space.
Thanks Logan! I’m thinking the same thing and I’m hoping to find some more.
Love it! Now I want to revisit this target. Thanks Joe.
Thanks David! Glad I could be an inspiration man.
Fantastic Image. I am just a beginner. You have taught me something new today. Thank you! When it comes to this hobby. My wife tells me that there is nothing but empty space between my ears. This may help to convince her otherwise. lol. Your images are amazing. I hope to achieve this level of success someday.
Thanks so much J! It takes a little practice to get going, but I'm sure you'll be taking amazing images as well soon.
Very interesting Joe of all the images I've seen of this I just thought it were empty space, I've gotta say your rendition of it is top notch!!
Thanks so much DDO!
Great image Joe, really superb. I knew it was dark nebulae because with my color camera there is hardly a break between the North America and The Pelican in my pictures
But that being said, the shot you are showing here is why I would change to mono, that's what I miss in osc imaging
Thanks Siegfried! The only time I shot OSC was with a dslr. I jumped into mono with my first dedicated astro cam and never tried OSC again. I see some awesome images with them though. If you ever jump into mono and have any questions, just hit me up.
The 3D feeling is incredible. The photograph has impressive details. Congratulations Joe. Your observatory site is beautiful even if you have Winnie-the-Pooh and his family visiting you every night .😅
Thanks Jesus! It's kind of cool to see them, but also scary and annoying when you want to be outside lol They'll be hibernating soon here.
Beautiful image Joe!
Thanks Bill! I really appreciate it!
Fantastic Image and Great info Joe, Thank you for enlightening me.
Thanks so much AB! Glad you liked the vid.
Excellent video Joe and very informative. I actually did know about the dark nebula in between, similar to the middle of M78. I like how decided to focus in on that and you wound getting a great shot of it especially all of the detail. Cheers Kurt
Thanks Kurt! I always thought it was empty space. Now I need to go looking for more dark nebulae lol
@@JoesAstrophoto Go get them!
Fantastic! always amazing pictures and explanations Thank you
Many thanks Ana! I really appreciate all the support!
Amazing final image and great video Joe. I also love dark nebulae and the mix of emission and dark nebulae - look really cool. I just did my very first (one sub) image of NGC 7000 cool object ...but I knew there is a dark nebula. ;-) cs
Thanks Tully! Looking forward to seeing your image as well.
@@JoesAstrophoto I think I will not share this single sub but I will definitely re-visit this fantastic target.
Stunning image Joe! Really love your image processing, the colours pop just enough but you never take them too far.
I never knew there was a dark nebula in between, definitely just assumed it was empty space. You’ve inspired me to reshoot the target and try to bring it out the same way you achieved.
Wanted also get your thoughts on mono ZWO cameras. I’m currently using a one shot colour camera, the 294MC pro and have been debating switching over to mono for a while now. I know you mentioned that you use the 2600mm but also the 294mm pro. I was also looking at the latter option but wanted to see what you thought of it vs the 2600?
Thanks so much Jon! I love both cameras, but the 2600MM is the better camera. It just picks up more details in my opinion. That being said however, I find the 294MM to give me sharper images when I use it with my EdgeHD because the pixel scale is a much better match. The 294MM can also be unlocked into bin1 mode and works really well for lower focal lengths. I find myself still using the 2600 with my z81 reduced to 447mm but I do need to drizzle the data. The other thing to consider is cost. The 294 is much less expensive and you can get away using smaller filters as well. Hope that helps, you won’t really be disappointed with either camera.
@@JoesAstrophoto thanks a lot Joe! Very helpful advice 👍🏻👍🏻
That was a very interesting point. Thanks for sharing it Joe!! Did you try a deep integration with the L filter? Just to capture all that dark nebulosity
Thanks Aleix! That’s a great idea, and I didn’t think about it, but may try now that mention it.
Pelican was my first DSO image with a telescope. Didn’t turn out great!
Thanks Neil! Mine either, but I bet you get some great shots of it now.
I had no lidea Saron was in space!
Hahaha Cap! Thanks man!