@@marleythefrenchbulldog4237 can't recall name.. but he sings something about Kurt Cobain and LeBron James. He sings a lot about steroid users and heroin users
I think what is most important for Tims tone is, that he plays hard as hell. The clacking come from the strings hitting the bass. Also, newer strings are always a good idea
Great video! In my opinion I think the key difference are the strings, The clean tone needs to be brighter so the fuzz can be a little less bright and have a little more mids. That's what I'd do anyway.
To me, Tim's best tone was on The Battle of Los Angeles. From this era stem most of his tonal ways. The sound on Testify or Calm like a Bomb is just beyond awesome! I guess the main culprit is a cranked SVT, to get that low-end distortion from the tubes. Unfortunately, not many people have the room or the neighbors to push a 300 Watts tube amp to the maximum. I'll be getting bias amp soon and will try my best to get even in the ballpark of Tim's sound. Awesome video though!
The problem is that his tone changed A LOT over time. Different basses, amps, overdrives. You got close to the clean tone of the song, but not so much on the distorted one. An overdrive or distortion would be a better option instead of a fuzz.
With that brighter tone… you Won’t get it from this sub Ray, they have really mid heavy pickups. I upgraded mine with seymour duncan and its huge improvement, sounds more like stingray… also its connected in parallel
First of all wasn't this album produced at sound city studio. I mean sound city vs plug ins on a laptop, no brainer. And you can hear it's a tone from a speaker driven through an amp, (an SVT) 🎤 up. Sounds like a 15" when inch isolated, could be wrong tho. Also new strings, lighter gauge, better pickups and higher attack on the bridge pickup all will brighten this up.
"At this point I might need to get new strings" 😂 I'm there going "Ahhh shit, does he know how fresh Tim's strings sound?". He do. On a side note, Chris Wolstenholme of Muse is well known to be a massive RATM fan, and he's absolutely notorious for using DR Hi-Beams (incredibly bright) for over half his carrer. Not only that, they're not kidding when they say he has fresh strings on every single bass, every single show. Not just because he can, but because DR Hi-Beams sound absolutely incredible when fresh, but really don't last long. I hate that about them, but they're absolute magic when that bright fresh sound hits a Big Muff, Animato or Woolley Mammoth. Plenty of other styles of music rely on having broken in bass strings.... Muse/RATM absolutely and categorically do not, it's all about fresh strings. Use anything else, and it's just an insane fight to jack the living shit out of what precious little highs there are. Remember that its often better to have too much to work with tonally, as cutting/filtering highs is perfectly possible... adding IN highs to a signal that doesn't have any doesn't work: past a certain point, you literally can't EQ boost what simply isn't there. The sole hope at that point is like... saturation or distortion to create new harmonic content from what's there, but that's usually a last ditch resort in mixing!
Timmy C is the Mad Scientist,Tinkerer,Tony Stark of Rock Bass! I have Loved his tone all through the Years whether it be with Rage,Audioslave WAKRAT or Prophets. The Dude is one of the Greats and an Integral part of the Sound of any Band He plays with! TIMMY C!!!
Hey dude, Good effort, though as you mentioned, Tim doesn't use his Killing tone any more. Studio tones are always hard to recreate because they can always be tweaked after the recording during the mixing process. I remember a Tom Morello interview where he mentioned that while he (Tom) stuck to one tone, Tim had gone through like nine tones or something. One major goof you committed is that the Timmy rig rundown is his Wakrat rig, not his RATM rig. If you look carefully, you can see his RATM rig behind the Wakrat rig covered in tarps. That said, the tone you came up with is actually a decent fit for his live tone which is a lot less bright and more distortion heavy. It's kind of like what you can hear on Live At The Grand Olympic Auditorium.
I think that album was DI only, plus the Sterling by MM bass used in the video is less bright to begin with due to pickups beig wired in series. Just plug in a Stingray with low action and tweak the onboard preamp plus reverb and there it is.
As you said in the beginning of your video, Tim's tone has changed a lot over time. I would be interested in you doing the same exercise for Tim's playing w/ Audioslave, anything off the first album.
As I've gotten deeper into this, I've found that most bassists change pretty dramatically over the years. It's almost easier to dial into a specific song, especially when you get to someone like Chris Wolstenholme. I may revisit Tim at some point, but I have a lot of other bassists to cover as well.
@@ampthebassplayer I was in an Audioslave cover band briefly. I tried to get his tone but I still find it elusive. He does not do the "high end clank" anymore. He has a really fat and distorted tone - big bottom end, a huge sound. Very heavy, yet, different than bands that you would think of as heavy. I don't know anybody that sounds quite like him. He moved away from slap bass early on in RATM and he has developed a sound unique to him.
@@larsetom1 That's really cool. I never got super into Audioslave, but I'll put that on my list and see if I can get to it at some point. That major change over time could be an interesting point to explore. Same bassist, completely different sound.
There is... legend has it, an archive on the internet of full multitracks (AKA stems) that was ripped from Guitar Hero. So any song that appeared on guitar hero is normally out there, to those who search hard enough. Listen to enoug stems, and trust me.... your ears and brain will develop in truly insane ways. It's the music version of doing steroids and stimulants... literally snorting coke and smashing tren! You'll sure as hell get somewhere really damn fast, but there are mad side effects to deal with, like having a crystal clear benchmark for tone. That shit is absolutely mind-bending when you're listening to Muse stems.... good luck getting any Chris Wolstenholme tones until you've basically walked for so long in his footsteps that you've started catching him up! That said, if you're willing to put the years in to understand what you're hearing, and recreate it, you WILL end up with absolutely JACKED bass tones, trust me. Listening to stems is like some sort of black magic.
Wait in the picture you were using to show tim, his stingray looks like it has a single coil in the neck position. That’s probably why your tone wasn’t as bright as his, it’s like a Lakland
I discovered your channel and I'm amazed ❤🎉! We love RATM but i will request my favorite bass player! Krist Novocelic of Nirvana! Can you do a Video? ❤ Cheers
I see you're playing on a Sterling stingray. How do you like it? I'm a drummer/guitarist but I'm looking to get my first bass for recording purposes and I'm looking at the Sterling stingray and a squier p bass. Just something relatively cheap, but decent quality.
I don’t think you could go wrong either way. If you have the option, play both and see which one you like more, and if you can’t decide, choose the one you think looks cooler.
Man i am an avid stingray fan but it depends on your style of music and how you want your bass to sound A p is gonna be smoother and overall a good soft sounding tone A MM (stingray) is gonna sound more harsh and aggressive The MM wont have as good of a smooth tone as a p but it can still do it A p isn’t gonna be as aggressive as a MM but it can still be aggressive So it is all up to how you want it to sound
Well, hopefully I’ll get closer in the next episode! Always room for improvement, and even if I don’t quite nail the tone exactly, the process of analyzing sounds and being able to articulate what you’re hearing is useful. I appreciate the feedback and I hope you’ll stick around for the next ones.
Come on man! How long did you try? 5 minutes? That was galaxy’s away from his tone. Just slapping a fuzz in front of the amp makes you loose the low end. Which happened impressively. 😂 That video was no help at all. But you‘re cool so I like it anyway.
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Which other Tim Commerford song would you like to see me tackle? Something from one of his other projects?
The wakrat song about Kurt Cobain and king james
@@global-bassist6789 what’s the song about Kurt Cobain
@@marleythefrenchbulldog4237 can't recall name.. but he sings something about Kurt Cobain and LeBron James. He sings a lot about steroid users and heroin users
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Tims best tone was the 1996 evil empire jazz tone imo
True!
Agree
Hands down
Not even a debate
I agree, that intro on "People of the Sun" is forever ingrained into my mind
I think what is most important for Tims tone is, that he plays hard as hell. The clacking come from the strings hitting the bass. Also, newer strings are always a good idea
Thanks, this helped me out!
hi danny
Great video! In my opinion I think the key difference are the strings, The clean tone needs to be brighter so the fuzz can be a little less bright and have a little more mids. That's what I'd do anyway.
Thanks! Yes, I totally agree. I couldn’t push the brightness any further without getting too harsh, but you’re spot on with everything there.
To me, Tim's best tone was on The Battle of Los Angeles. From this era stem most of his tonal ways. The sound on Testify or Calm like a Bomb is just beyond awesome! I guess the main culprit is a cranked SVT, to get that low-end distortion from the tubes. Unfortunately, not many people have the room or the neighbors to push a 300 Watts tube amp to the maximum. I'll be getting bias amp soon and will try my best to get even in the ballpark of Tim's sound. Awesome video though!
Fender jazz bass dude evil Empire rocks my balls too
The problem is that his tone changed A LOT over time. Different basses, amps, overdrives. You got close to the clean tone of the song, but not so much on the distorted one. An overdrive or distortion would be a better option instead of a fuzz.
I never thought that Tim sounded like he was ever using a pick.
With that brighter tone… you Won’t get it from this sub Ray, they have really mid heavy pickups. I upgraded mine with seymour duncan and its huge improvement, sounds more like stingray… also its connected in parallel
When you get Bulls on Parade please let us know. That's the best!
Clean sounds good.. He's all about low and high mid..
First of all wasn't this album produced at sound city studio. I mean sound city vs plug ins on a laptop, no brainer. And you can hear it's a tone from a speaker driven through an amp, (an SVT) 🎤 up. Sounds like a 15" when inch isolated, could be wrong tho.
Also new strings, lighter gauge, better pickups and higher attack on the bridge pickup all will brighten this up.
"At this point I might need to get new strings" 😂 I'm there going "Ahhh shit, does he know how fresh Tim's strings sound?". He do.
On a side note, Chris Wolstenholme of Muse is well known to be a massive RATM fan, and he's absolutely notorious for using DR Hi-Beams (incredibly bright) for over half his carrer. Not only that, they're not kidding when they say he has fresh strings on every single bass, every single show. Not just because he can, but because DR Hi-Beams sound absolutely incredible when fresh, but really don't last long. I hate that about them, but they're absolute magic when that bright fresh sound hits a Big Muff, Animato or Woolley Mammoth. Plenty of other styles of music rely on having broken in bass strings.... Muse/RATM absolutely and categorically do not, it's all about fresh strings. Use anything else, and it's just an insane fight to jack the living shit out of what precious little highs there are. Remember that its often better to have too much to work with tonally, as cutting/filtering highs is perfectly possible... adding IN highs to a signal that doesn't have any doesn't work: past a certain point, you literally can't EQ boost what simply isn't there. The sole hope at that point is like... saturation or distortion to create new harmonic content from what's there, but that's usually a last ditch resort in mixing!
Definitely in the right area! It’s not as snarl-y as Tim’s to my ears but it’s close! Keep it up!
Timmy C is the Mad Scientist,Tinkerer,Tony Stark of Rock Bass! I have Loved his tone all through the Years whether it be with Rage,Audioslave WAKRAT or Prophets. The Dude is one of the Greats and an Integral part of the Sound of any Band He plays with! TIMMY C!!!
Can you do this Video with the Zoom Bass Pedal? Would be awesome to see how close you can get
Hey dude,
Good effort, though as you mentioned, Tim doesn't use his Killing tone any more. Studio tones are always hard to recreate because they can always be tweaked after the recording during the mixing process. I remember a Tom Morello interview where he mentioned that while he (Tom) stuck to one tone, Tim had gone through like nine tones or something. One major goof you committed is that the Timmy rig rundown is his Wakrat rig, not his RATM rig. If you look carefully, you can see his RATM rig behind the Wakrat rig covered in tarps. That said, the tone you came up with is actually a decent fit for his live tone which is a lot less bright and more distortion heavy. It's kind of like what you can hear on Live At The Grand Olympic Auditorium.
Love ur videos man, keep it upppp
Thanks man!
need new strings for sure!
we need a new sound like Timmy C with the zoom please!!!
I think that album was DI only, plus the Sterling by MM bass used in the video is less bright to begin with due to pickups beig wired in series. Just plug in a Stingray with low action and tweak the onboard preamp plus reverb and there it is.
Clean sound very nice, fuzz tone sound nothing like Tim
I think you need to lower the action so you get more fret clanking. Along with new strings
Yes!
your first part is missing his swr sm900 and magalioth speakers
As you said in the beginning of your video, Tim's tone has changed a lot over time. I would be interested in you doing the same exercise for Tim's playing w/ Audioslave, anything off the first album.
As I've gotten deeper into this, I've found that most bassists change pretty dramatically over the years. It's almost easier to dial into a specific song, especially when you get to someone like Chris Wolstenholme. I may revisit Tim at some point, but I have a lot of other bassists to cover as well.
@@ampthebassplayer I was in an Audioslave cover band briefly. I tried to get his tone but I still find it elusive. He does not do the "high end clank" anymore. He has a really fat and distorted tone - big bottom end, a huge sound. Very heavy, yet, different than bands that you would think of as heavy. I don't know anybody that sounds quite like him. He moved away from slap bass early on in RATM and he has developed a sound unique to him.
@@larsetom1 That's really cool. I never got super into Audioslave, but I'll put that on my list and see if I can get to it at some point. That major change over time could be an interesting point to explore. Same bassist, completely different sound.
Where do all these TH-camrs get isolated bass tracks?
There is... legend has it, an archive on the internet of full multitracks (AKA stems) that was ripped from Guitar Hero. So any song that appeared on guitar hero is normally out there, to those who search hard enough. Listen to enoug stems, and trust me.... your ears and brain will develop in truly insane ways. It's the music version of doing steroids and stimulants... literally snorting coke and smashing tren! You'll sure as hell get somewhere really damn fast, but there are mad side effects to deal with, like having a crystal clear benchmark for tone. That shit is absolutely mind-bending when you're listening to Muse stems.... good luck getting any Chris Wolstenholme tones until you've basically walked for so long in his footsteps that you've started catching him up! That said, if you're willing to put the years in to understand what you're hearing, and recreate it, you WILL end up with absolutely JACKED bass tones, trust me. Listening to stems is like some sort of black magic.
Wait in the picture you were using to show tim, his stingray looks like it has a single coil in the neck position. That’s probably why your tone wasn’t as bright as his, it’s like a Lakland
He has a custom thum rest in front of the normal pickup
Your bass needs mkre fret buzz for that type of brightness. Pluck harder or lower string height.
im almost posiitive i know more about his tone more than anybody that wasnt actually in the room with him ..
I discovered your channel and I'm amazed ❤🎉! We love RATM but i will request my favorite bass player!
Krist Novocelic of Nirvana! Can you do a Video? ❤ Cheers
I gotchu: th-cam.com/video/uXRhSm2zNn4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=jOjiqS9827lHSwhL
Can u make tutorial using B1four zoom? Tool, Ratm... Pls.. 😢
I wonder if they used room mic to pickup his hands
We need this for The Killers!!
I’ll put Mark Stoermer on my list!
I see you're playing on a Sterling stingray. How do you like it? I'm a drummer/guitarist but I'm looking to get my first bass for recording purposes and I'm looking at the Sterling stingray and a squier p bass. Just something relatively cheap, but decent quality.
I don’t think you could go wrong either way. If you have the option, play both and see which one you like more, and if you can’t decide, choose the one you think looks cooler.
Man i am an avid stingray fan but it depends on your style of music and how you want your bass to sound
A p is gonna be smoother and overall a good soft sounding tone
A MM (stingray) is gonna sound more harsh and aggressive
The MM wont have as good of a smooth tone as a p but it can still do it
A p isn’t gonna be as aggressive as a MM but it can still be aggressive
So it is all up to how you want it to sound
With zoom b4x sound?
Patch for Zoom b1 four please ✊🏻🙏🏻
Totally different sound
i can't find that reverb setting on the space designer, please help! it's sounds so good
Not even close. Although I did still enjoy your video.
Well, hopefully I’ll get closer in the next episode! Always room for improvement, and even if I don’t quite nail the tone exactly, the process of analyzing sounds and being able to articulate what you’re hearing is useful. I appreciate the feedback and I hope you’ll stick around for the next ones.
Tutto qui?
Sound like Cliff Burton and Flea now
what strings do you have on the stingray?
They're the stock strings, so probably Ernie Ball Slinkies.
He used pedals. Dod... boss... You could always just go on and sound like yourself man. You know what you like
Good try! I m sure that you need brand new strings to get his tone.
Number one his strings are lower than yours. The brightness can be added in the DAW.
Come on man! How long did you try? 5 minutes?
That was galaxy’s away from his tone.
Just slapping a fuzz in front of the amp makes you loose the low end. Which happened impressively. 😂
That video was no help at all.
But you‘re cool so I like it anyway.
is it a Joke?
Es nescesario poner cara de weon?
Damn all those work still not near anything 😂😂😂😂
You don't think it sounds good?
I’m more intrigued by that hair cut. What the fuck is going on up there?
Uhh ? Your tone compared to Tim's isolated bass tracks aren't even in the same ballpark...imho
no offence but not only does this not really sound like T.C., it sounds subjectively terrible with the fuzz at the end
Not even close...
Sorry man, to me Is quite far from Tim's tone...
not even remotely close. Sorryyyyyyyy
lol I guess you just gave up?
Wow, that was a waste of time
Bro wake up! I don't see anywhere near to his sound. That's cringe
Well there’s your problem right there! Ya gotta use your ears, goofball!
@@ampthebassplayer I suggest you the same! mashed potato
Is it a joke man ????? 🤨