Yes, it’s a solid machine. The majority of issues are created by aftermarket parts. Add a particle separator if you ride in dust, and keep an eye on the front driveline if your have a 2 seater. Everything else is solid on the machine.
First off, I must say what an agonizing ordeal to go through. Rebuilding engines can be tedious work for some and a labor of love for others. I have found that the more challenging a build, the more one grows in knowledge and skills. This growth benefits the specific engine you're working on and all other engine types you rebuild or service. It's a continuous learning and improvement journey, and I'm sure many of us gearheads can relate. Thanks for the informative videos. Sincerely, Bob at Golden Eagle Mfg. 👍❤👊
@@gravesru If you have an engine core like the one shown on the loading page, it's a perfect candidate for sleeving. You can keep it for yourself, or I’d be happy to purchase it from you.
I have been following your channel from the beginning and have mirrored some parts of my machine to your original talon r. I took great interest in your horsepower upgrade. I run the Jr turbo kit and we are in Colorado now operating at 13000 ft daily. Thank you for the update I could have followed your footsteps very easily for more horsepower, I'll keep enjoying what I have. Again thanks for you channel and honesty.
Sorry about your bad luck with this build. I liked watching your channel prior to the turbo build. I've already outlined what needs to be done in my previous comments. Ultimately you're doing R&D on your Talon. I've yet known of anyone that has bumped the power and torque to what you are claiming "reliably". Taking the car to a guy that can't figure why it isn't making enough boost and adjusting the waste gate to increase boost and not having the ability to adjust fuel and timing maps is a disaster waiting to happen (which it did) until you find the right people that knows how to build a high hp engine familiar with the Honda power plant and the ability to tune in house, this will keep happening. PPEI is not the one to blame, although they asked you to datalog for them and you expected that data logging session to be 100% full proof. It doesn't work like that in the real world. PPEI was just doing R&D with your support and you were expecting the same from them. What would you expect to happen to the trans when you double the hp? You want to bump big power with a turbo you will need to get down to 8 or 8.5:1 compression. You're complaining not being able to get 10.5:1 pistons, high compression on a forced induction application causes detonation aka grenading your engine, it isn't going to help your case. It'll just keep blowing up, maybe try running race fuel or E85. But ultimately you need ro work with a competent engine builder not some mechanics that know how to throw parts together and assemble an engine. There's a lot more knowledge required than just slapping parts together.
Anytime you build a motor for more power you must perform live tuning. Sending data logs to tune your custom built motor with trial and error tunes is a recipe for disaster. No matter who builds your engine or writes your tunes, too many things can go wrong aside from AFR, detonation and overboost will grenade your motor. Live tuning allows the tuner to see live data and lift off the throttle immediately if something isn't right. This nightmare won't stop building a motor like this. Jackson Racing has done their R&D for reliability while driving the car in different conditions. There's a reason why they don't have a kit that puts out 100% more power than OEM. When you get that deep into building a motor, porting, cams, valve springs, rods and a cylinder girdle should be used. The girdle will minimize the cylinders from blowing up. Check out the high HP turbo Hondas from the 90's that run big boost and power. Same power plant design. I just don't think your engine builder is an experience race engine builder, slapping parts on is not building an engine.
@@gravesru that’s great your story was interesting I almost bought a Honda but thought the krx was a better value as I don’t have extra money to drop in my machine but a couple times a year I’ve had my krx going on 3 years and I’m still not done with it just now got 35s now replacing my windows with dot glass windows like a said little at time I will be watching your channel cause your nightmare story and wanna see how the Honda turned out
I'm currently being tuned by Erik. Right now I'm making right around the 180whp mark that you are. On E85, and on a relatively conservative tune. Looking for 200 over the winter. So far, my experience with PPEI, and Erik specifically has been fantastic. He goes far above and beyond anything I would expect. Been building boosted cars my entire life, and have never had a tuner put in as much work as him. I've datalogged and received new flashes from Erik on a Friday night at 11pm before some races. Or all day Saturday and Sundays. Hands down, most responsive, and detailed tuner I've ever had, on any vehicle I've ever owned over the past 15 years. I cant speak to DRP, as I have not used their products, or services. I'm also at a low altitude, so I can't speak to that either. It's unfortunate what's happened to your Talon so far. It seems like a combination of issues that compounded into a major issue. Hopefully you can get everything resolved.
I wonder how good the motor would be with all the upgrades minus the turbo. 10.5-1 compression is a little high for a turbo. I would say 9-1 would be about a perfect compression ratio for a turbo. 11-1 compression ratio normally aspirated would probably be pretty sweet as well. Put a little bigger cam and some head work, jet the carb and bigger fuel injectors and call it a day. You should prob see about 160-180 HP without the turbo and would be more reliable.
Had an issue just like on a Eclipse build with Stage 6 motorsports in Jacksonville Fl. Never actually drove the car myself but got blamed for the motor blown. Luckly I had video of them driving it from lift to trailer. Which included some horse play in the parking lot by them. Luckly video proved they tore it up then put it on trailer, 5 mins after my payment went through on their system.
@@gravesru Right then all falls under, Opp.... well thats custom for yah. I love Aftermarket goodies but these days you can only trust good tires, or simple cnc comfort upgrades
Sorry to hear you’re going through all this. I loved my talon but wanted more power, the JR kit wasn’t enough power for me so I sold my talon and bought a pro xp and put a stage 3 tune on it. I love Honda but it seems like they aren’t interested in appeasing the customers that want more power. Maybe switch to can-am, a lot more power , much much better suspension. I’ve got 1300 miles on my pro xp and still haven’t changed my belt
It’s been awhile since you’ve posted anything, any new updates on the build? Appreciate all your content on the Honda, there’s not much out there still!
@@gravesru awesome, I’ll check it out! My brother is running the Jackson kit on his talon right now. Definitely wakes the machine up but I still have my reservations before I install a kit on my own car.
After watching lots of different videos you seem to be the foremost expert with boosted talons. What do you recommend JR or KW. Both have their pros and cons. I’m looking for what’s least likely to explode my machine.
If you change elevation often, the JR flash is the only tune that works properly at all elevations. I’m still using their kit. KW can get you more power.
CT racing is a high quality company that offers wonderful quality parts and performance. They are fierce Compositors that race in gncc. Is there based out of California.
Dam man, I just installed this kit myself a few weeks ago. Been doing some data testing myself. Hope I have better luck. In my defense I know I'm a test subject lol
Hey Russel, i met you on the rubicon this last week. We were the crew camping by the lake about 1/2 way in the trail. We talked about how you made the talon street legal. Is there a way to message you to talk more about it?
@@gravesru Of course not, they want money and don't want their dirty secrets disclosed so they'll say whatever it takes to convince you. I'm not a lawyer but have dealt with similar problems, including one very recently where a lawyer was involved. One party agreed to a $5000 settlement, then changed her mind when she realized there was a potential windfall of about $200k. After speaking with the lawyer she took the $5k and shut up. If the person breaking the agreement wants to battle it in court and they loose they'll be responsible for all the costs you incur in defending yourself. I've heard the same from a few lawyers. This isn't the 'typical' settlement agreement, but sorta. You incurred costs in taking the engine to them in exchange for them fixing it, had they not offered a free repair you probably wouldn't have taken it back. There's a few free legal help 'hotlines' where a lawyer can let you know for sure where you stand.
This sucks. We all desperately want a 160+ hp Talon. But... it sure makes that canam that comes STOCK without all this headache more appealing. Especially based off the $ to get the talon just to 120hp with a jackson turbo let alone 160 -180hp.
I wish I could say I were surprised but this has pretty much my experience with PPEI everytime I've dealt with them for diesel tuning. Screwed up tunes, someone else's fault, releasing tunes that they know aren't complete, and no one has anything good to say about Kory in the diesel world.
@crackerjack42685 I'm glad you relayed that info.. fairly new in the Diesel scene I was just about ready to get some tunes from them for a 2016 Duramax. Is their someone in specific you can recommend?
Sorry for your bad luck, but you didn’t mention anything about what the AFR’s were at. If you just get in, turn the key, and mash on the gas, you deserve what you got. AFR’s are critical to monitor. I have been working with Erik on my build and tune for over a year now. He has been very knowledgeable and has been available nearly 24/7. I have been driving from sea level up to 7000 ft. He did send me a different tune for the high altitude which made it better. If your building a turbo’d car, why didn’t you put in 9:1 or 9.5:1 pistons when you changed them originally? You can run more boost safer that way. I am currently installing the 185 hp kit from PPEI with the Trinity exhaust. I watch the AFR’s more than any other gauge. I also wonder why you are the only one I have ever heard that has had to tighten up the JR head pipes at every 1000 miles? I have never had to touch them after the install. I have a feeling that if you go with any aftermarket tune/turbo kit and don’t pay attention to what the engine is doing, you will continue to have the same problems. Good Luck!
As I mentioned in the video, I did about 1500 miles of data logging for PPEI. As I also stated, this was supposed to be a finished product and it obviously isn’t. Erik would send me a flash and have me drive from 3k ft to 7k ft. After the engine died, it would go from lean to very lean once restarted. I have about 15,000 miles on a talon at elevation and without engine problems. The tune from PPEI does not correct properly for elevation. Every time it went lean, I had to limp it home carefully. It only takes a few seconds to burn up an engine, I wouldn’t have been able to do 1500 miles and 150 data logs if I wasn’t being careful and watching the AFR’s. Also, if you’re sold a finished product, it should work properly at elevation or anywhere for that matter.
@@ken9846 the first month with PPEI, their tune would go lean when driving up in elevation. Then they changed things up and then it ran rich as I went up. They even had me put a PC5 on it to control the AFR’s and that didn’t work. Explain to me how jackson racing can send one tune to every single talon owner and it will work at any elevation and PPEI can’t? There are modifiers in the ecu making adjustments that PPEI is not aware of, and they can’t control. those modifiers are even adjusting the timing. With PPEI, the front cylinder will blow up while the rear cylinder stays perfect every time.
You really need to learn how engines work before you bash someone lol. Increase in elevation will result in LESS AIR. Meaning your going to run much richer. That will cause a loss in power sure. But won’t lean it out and get it hot. To state it’s one cylinder doing it only, lol that’s not tuning man. The ecu adjust both injectors the same. Along with ignition timing.
Wow Russell can't believe it. I am aubscribed to your channel and not only value but enjoy your videos. Hope your doing able to resolve this companies peddling products should b held accountable I wish u the best
I know, and a competent tuner would prevent it from running lean. I’m running the jackson flash in the same exact area without any problems. Also a competent tuner wouldn’t someone out over a hundreds times when they know they don’t have a working tune. They just kept throwing stuff at the wall and nothing was sticking.
@@gravesru So why did you change to PPEI? Im trying to figure out what you changed and what were you looking for when going away from the jacksonracing setup? Im very new to the talon stuff but ive been into the automotive performance stuff for over a decade.
@@thewraith6360 if you watch the engine build video, I went from 125whp to 184whp. So, more power. But the PPEI flash does not properly compensate for elevation changes. I was sold a finished product that was nowhere near being finished. It’s fine if you drive your talon at a specific elevation.
@@gravesru I got you, thats very weird cause i would feel like with higher elevation (less dense air and less psi) it would be less likely to run lean. Real bummer situation! Ive been there and its not fun.
I have personally worked with Chad and ppei for over two years anything that’s not released yes is understood beta testing. Sorry this happen to you but i hVe heard both sides of the story and they have a lot of differences. Erik has been nothing but amazing with me and my tunes and personally have the pistons that was in your machine in mine right. Your exact pistons you pulled out with the scuffing on them and i am running them no issues. Chad has been nothing. It helpful for me and helpful for parts. Kory i don’t know him personally or haven’t dealt with him much but can’t speak on that. I’m sorry this happen to you but also it’s very crucial to always look at the afrs for this reason. Shoot i do on my na tunes. Hope you get to riding soon and y’all get all this behind y’all.
I do monitor AFR’s, I wouldn’t have been able to do over 150 data logs if I didn’t. You don’t have a problem because you don’t change 3-4K elevation in 30min. I was sold a finished product that wasn’t finished. I drove my machine on the same exact trails hundreds of times with the Jackson flash and didn’t have an issue. I don’t think it’s okay to say you’ll pay for a motor then blackmail me with a nda. I can tell you my story is 100% accurate and there are several people within the organization that can confirm it but declined being in the video. Chad shouldn’t have promoted and sold a build that wasn’t tested. For the first several weeks erik and Chad thought there was something wrong with my machine. I can provide you hundreds of screenshots from Chad, erik and Kory to confirm the truth.
If I’m an idiot for doing over 100 data logs going from 3000ft to 7000ft at elevation before blowing up and engine, wouldn’t that make someone a mega idiot for blowing up an engine in a controlled environment on a dyno in a few minutes?
You will most definitely win the lawsuit against them especially since they made a written contractual agreement via text saying they will cover the repair and shipping cost. Not you can also get back you me traveling expenses and recover court cost. By them wanting you to sign non-disclosure agreement it’s now going to cost them twice as much money since you didn’t agree with that. Please update us after everything is completed.
This guy could destroy a wet dream! He has no business operating anything with an engine. He has zero common sense! I hope he loses everything, cuz you can’t fix stupid!
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So keep it stock and be happy with what it is. Thanks for putting this out there!
Yes, it’s a solid machine. The majority of issues are created by aftermarket parts. Add a particle separator if you ride in dust, and keep an eye on the front driveline if your have a 2 seater. Everything else is solid on the machine.
First off, I must say what an agonizing ordeal to go through. Rebuilding engines can be tedious work for some and a labor of love for others. I have found that the more challenging a build, the more one grows in knowledge and skills. This growth benefits the specific engine you're working on and all other engine types you rebuild or service. It's a continuous learning and improvement journey, and I'm sure many of us gearheads can relate. Thanks for the informative videos.
Sincerely, Bob at Golden Eagle Mfg. 👍❤👊
Thank you & thanks for watching!
@@gravesru If you have an engine core like the one shown on the loading page, it's a perfect candidate for sleeving. You can keep it for yourself, or I’d be happy to purchase it from you.
I have been following your channel from the beginning and have mirrored some parts of my machine to your original talon r. I took great interest in your horsepower upgrade. I run the Jr turbo kit and we are in Colorado now operating at 13000 ft daily. Thank you for the update I could have followed your footsteps very easily for more horsepower, I'll keep enjoying what I have. Again thanks for you channel and honesty.
I would recommend keeping the JR kit. Supposedly they will release a race kit with up to 250hp.
Same for me
Sorry about your bad luck with this build. I liked watching your channel prior to the turbo build. I've already outlined what needs to be done in my previous comments. Ultimately you're doing R&D on your Talon. I've yet known of anyone that has bumped the power and torque to what you are claiming "reliably". Taking the car to a guy that can't figure why it isn't making enough boost and adjusting the waste gate to increase boost and not having the ability to adjust fuel and timing maps is a disaster waiting to happen (which it did) until you find the right people that knows how to build a high hp engine familiar with the Honda power plant and the ability to tune in house, this will keep happening. PPEI is not the one to blame, although they asked you to datalog for them and you expected that data logging session to be 100% full proof. It doesn't work like that in the real world. PPEI was just doing R&D with your support and you were expecting the same from them. What would you expect to happen to the trans when you double the hp? You want to bump big power with a turbo you will need to get down to 8 or 8.5:1 compression. You're complaining not being able to get 10.5:1 pistons, high compression on a forced induction application causes detonation aka grenading your engine, it isn't going to help your case. It'll just keep blowing up, maybe try running race fuel or E85. But ultimately you need ro work with a competent engine builder not some mechanics that know how to throw parts together and assemble an engine. There's a lot more knowledge required than just slapping parts together.
That sucks! One for your bank account and two because I wanted to do the same build. I guess I’ll be keeping my talon stock. Good luck!!
That’s why I made the video, to keep people from having the same issues I did.
Anytime you build a motor for more power you must perform live tuning. Sending data logs to tune your custom built motor with trial and error tunes is a recipe for disaster. No matter who builds your engine or writes your tunes, too many things can go wrong aside from AFR, detonation and overboost will grenade your motor. Live tuning allows the tuner to see live data and lift off the throttle immediately if something isn't right. This nightmare won't stop building a motor like this. Jackson Racing has done their R&D for reliability while driving the car in different conditions. There's a reason why they don't have a kit that puts out 100% more power than OEM. When you get that deep into building a motor, porting, cams, valve springs, rods and a cylinder girdle should be used. The girdle will minimize the cylinders from blowing up. Check out the high HP turbo Hondas from the 90's that run big boost and power. Same power plant design. I just don't think your engine builder is an experience race engine builder, slapping parts on is not building an engine.
Expecting a two cylinder 1000 to hold down 300lbs of torque reliably is literally retarded.
Wow this is just painful...
Hopefully your life and machine are normal again.
@@timfoster1599 thanks for watching! I’ve been running the Jackson racing kit with their tune, no problems since I stopped using PPEI.
Dang what a nightmare hope it’s gets fixed man sorry for your luck I thought I was the only one with that kind of luck
It’s finally running again!
@@gravesru that’s great your story was interesting I almost bought a Honda but thought the krx was a better value as I don’t have extra money to drop in my machine but a couple times a year I’ve had my krx going on 3 years and I’m still not done with it just now got 35s now replacing my windows with dot glass windows like a said little at time I will be watching your channel cause your nightmare story and wanna see how the Honda turned out
I've never been a fan of aftermarket anything. Enjoy it the way it was engineered. If Honda every gets around to doing a "Factory Turbo" then I'm in.
Same. No one monitors quality, anyone can build and sell crap.
I'm currently being tuned by Erik. Right now I'm making right around the 180whp mark that you are. On E85, and on a relatively conservative tune. Looking for 200 over the winter.
So far, my experience with PPEI, and Erik specifically has been fantastic. He goes far above and beyond anything I would expect. Been building boosted cars my entire life, and have never had a tuner put in as much work as him. I've datalogged and received new flashes from Erik on a Friday night at 11pm before some races. Or all day Saturday and Sundays. Hands down, most responsive, and detailed tuner I've ever had, on any vehicle I've ever owned over the past 15 years.
I cant speak to DRP, as I have not used their products, or services.
I'm also at a low altitude, so I can't speak to that either.
It's unfortunate what's happened to your Talon so far. It seems like a combination of issues that compounded into a major issue. Hopefully you can get everything resolved.
Erik has been absolutely amazing as I mentioned in the video. If you don’t change elevation their tune should work great!
Thank you for trying to get to those numbers and prove out you machine, I did not see this coming either, sorry it worked out that way.
I can’t even drive my machine now. It’s so disappointing!
I wonder how good the motor would be with all the upgrades minus the turbo. 10.5-1 compression is a little high for a turbo. I would say 9-1 would be about a perfect compression ratio for a turbo. 11-1 compression ratio normally aspirated would probably be pretty sweet as well. Put a little bigger cam and some head work, jet the carb and bigger fuel injectors and call it a day. You should prob see about 160-180 HP without the turbo and would be more reliable.
22lbs of boost is crazy high, not surprised it blew.
Had an issue just like on a Eclipse build with Stage 6 motorsports in Jacksonville Fl. Never actually drove the car myself but got blamed for the motor blown. Luckly I had video of them driving it from lift to trailer. Which included some horse play in the parking lot by them. Luckly video proved they tore it up then put it on trailer, 5 mins after my payment went through on their system.
Too bad there are so many shady companies and that there is nobody to regulate them.
@@gravesru Right then all falls under, Opp.... well thats custom for yah. I love Aftermarket goodies but these days you can only trust good tires, or simple cnc comfort upgrades
Sorry to hear you’re going through all this. I loved my talon but wanted more power, the JR kit wasn’t enough power for me so I sold my talon and bought a pro xp and put a stage 3 tune on it. I love Honda but it seems like they aren’t interested in appeasing the customers that want more power. Maybe switch to can-am, a lot more power , much much better suspension. I’ve got 1300 miles on my pro xp and still haven’t changed my belt
Yeah, I wish Honda would come out with a factory turbo, it’s way too slow, even with the turbo. I’ve considered the Pro R
So sorry to hear man. I would sick a lawyer on them if contacting the bbb.
I have already wasted hundreds of hours of my time, thousands of dollars and now I have a broken down talon
It’s been awhile since you’ve posted anything, any new updates on the build? Appreciate all your content on the Honda, there’s not much out there still!
I made a video about the engine failure disaster. I’m running the Jackson racing kit
@@gravesru awesome, I’ll check it out! My brother is running the Jackson kit on his talon right now. Definitely wakes the machine up but I still have my reservations before I install a kit on my own car.
@@jacobmoore2847 I have JR turbo review video you should check out.
After watching lots of different videos you seem to be the foremost expert with boosted talons. What do you recommend JR or KW. Both have their pros and cons. I’m looking for what’s least likely to explode my machine.
If you change elevation often, the JR flash is the only tune that works properly at all elevations. I’m still using their kit. KW can get you more power.
CT racing is a high quality company that offers wonderful quality parts and performance. They are fierce Compositors that race in gncc. Is there based out of California.
Bro , dang that sucks. Leaving my Talon stock motor wise. Doing the turbo kit on my friends. Hopefully it is reliable.
I have about 15,000 miles on a talon without issues, now it hasn’t worked right for 4 months. Worst mistake I’ve made was doing this engine build
Sounds like a lawsuit!!!
No shit.... their tuning ruins some duramax motors too... didn't know it happened in the sxs industry too
I’ve actually heard that about their diesel tuning many times.
Glad my LML survived it before i sold it. Sucks to hear this stuff man.
There was so much bullshit in what they were telling you about dynojet and elevation. There already and always has been multipliers for elevation.
Dam man, I just installed this kit myself a few weeks ago. Been doing some data testing myself. Hope I have better luck. In my defense I know I'm a test subject lol
I hope it works out for you. The power was great, just didn’t work where I change elevation frequently.
@@gravesru I mostly stay near sea level. Idk why these things are so difficult to tune right
Sorry to hear
Yeah, I’m back to the stock jackson kit now.
You know so many people in the talon community. Have you heard anything about the Kraftwerks if it has any elevation tunning problems?
I’ve heard good things about the Kw kit
Hey Russel, i met you on the rubicon this last week. We were the crew camping by the lake about 1/2 way in the trail. We talked about how you made the talon street legal. Is there a way to message you to talk more about it?
So if I want to up the HP, "reliably" in my Talon, the best way is Jackson Turbo kit and call it a day.
Yes, the JR tune is the only one that properly adjusts for elevation
Yea but then you need to replace pistons. The JR kits are cracking those front pistons like crazy
They agreed to pay for the motor, that's a contract/settlement agreement and they're not allowed to add more conditions afterwords.
Not according to PPEI.
@@gravesru Of course not, they want money and don't want their dirty secrets disclosed so they'll say whatever it takes to convince you. I'm not a lawyer but have dealt with similar problems, including one very recently where a lawyer was involved. One party agreed to a $5000 settlement, then changed her mind when she realized there was a potential windfall of about $200k. After speaking with the lawyer she took the $5k and shut up. If the person breaking the agreement wants to battle it in court and they loose they'll be responsible for all the costs you incur in defending yourself. I've heard the same from a few lawyers.
This isn't the 'typical' settlement agreement, but sorta. You incurred costs in taking the engine to them in exchange for them fixing it, had they not offered a free repair you probably wouldn't have taken it back. There's a few free legal help 'hotlines' where a lawyer can let you know for sure where you stand.
Stick with Alba Racing or Hess when it comes to the Honda Talon.
This sucks. We all desperately want a 160+ hp Talon. But... it sure makes that canam that comes STOCK without all this headache more appealing. Especially based off the $ to get the talon just to 120hp with a jackson turbo let alone 160 -180hp.
I agree 100%.
Well... if your channel becomes.. Honda turbo owner gone big bore yxz or canam... we won't judge you
@@videosatrandomplease9933 it’s crossed my mind. I drove an x3 and I was very impressed.
I wish I could say I were surprised but this has pretty much my experience with PPEI everytime I've dealt with them for diesel tuning. Screwed up tunes, someone else's fault, releasing tunes that they know aren't complete, and no one has anything good to say about Kory in the diesel world.
Definitely not the type of people I want to do business with.
@crackerjack42685 I'm glad you relayed that info.. fairly new in the Diesel scene I was just about ready to get some tunes from them for a 2016 Duramax. Is their someone in specific you can recommend?
Sorry for your bad luck, but you didn’t mention anything about what the AFR’s were at. If you just get in, turn the key, and mash on the gas, you deserve what you got. AFR’s are critical to monitor. I have been working with Erik on my build and tune for over a year now. He has been very knowledgeable and has been available nearly 24/7. I have been driving from sea level up to 7000 ft. He did send me a different tune for the high altitude which made it better. If your building a turbo’d car, why didn’t you put in 9:1 or 9.5:1 pistons when you changed them originally? You can run more boost safer that way. I am currently installing the 185 hp kit from PPEI with the Trinity exhaust. I watch the AFR’s more than any other gauge. I also wonder why you are the only one I have ever heard that has had to tighten up the JR head pipes at every 1000 miles? I have never had to touch them after the install. I have a feeling that if you go with any aftermarket tune/turbo kit and don’t pay attention to what the engine is doing, you will continue to have the same problems. Good Luck!
As I mentioned in the video, I did about 1500 miles of data logging for PPEI. As I also stated, this was supposed to be a finished product and it obviously isn’t. Erik would send me a flash and have me drive from 3k ft to 7k ft. After the engine died, it would go from lean to very lean once restarted. I have about 15,000 miles on a talon at elevation and without engine problems. The tune from PPEI does not correct properly for elevation. Every time it went lean, I had to limp it home carefully. It only takes a few seconds to burn up an engine, I wouldn’t have been able to do 1500 miles and 150 data logs if I wasn’t being careful and watching the AFR’s. Also, if you’re sold a finished product, it should work properly at elevation or anywhere for that matter.
When you go higher, the engine naturally will go rich, not lean. Sounds like you had other issues going on. Maybe cracked intake boots?
@@ken9846 the first month with PPEI, their tune would go lean when driving up in elevation. Then they changed things up and then it ran rich as I went up. They even had me put a PC5 on it to control the AFR’s and that didn’t work. Explain to me how jackson racing can send one tune to every single talon owner and it will work at any elevation and PPEI can’t? There are modifiers in the ecu making adjustments that PPEI is not aware of, and they can’t control. those modifiers are even adjusting the timing. With PPEI, the front cylinder will blow up while the rear cylinder stays perfect every time.
You really need to learn how engines work before you bash someone lol. Increase in elevation will result in LESS AIR. Meaning your going to run much richer. That will cause a loss in power sure. But won’t lean it out and get it hot. To state it’s one cylinder doing it only, lol that’s not tuning man. The ecu adjust both injectors the same. Along with ignition timing.
@@palombax with the PPEI tune, it runs lean as you go up in elevation. Their tune is not capable of adjusting properly for elevation.
Wow. Thanks for sharing..
Thanks for watching!
Men i just got a turbo this weekend i just email erik today about a tune 🥺🥺🥺🥺 now i feeling regrets about a turbo
There’s only a problem if you change elevation. I use the jackson racing flash, it’s the only tune that works properly
@@gravesru thanks men hopefully everything work out better for me .. sorry about your talon
Wow Russell can't believe it. I am aubscribed to your channel and not only value but enjoy your videos. Hope your doing able to resolve this companies peddling products should b held accountable I wish u the best
Thank you and thanks for watching.
Hopefully soon someone nice can tune my turbo talon I need a good tune
Jackson racing is the only tune that properly adjusts for elevation.
Any update on your situation?
I’m back to running the jackson flash. Clutch issues are fixed!
Doesnt matter if the engine is made out of the best of the best if you run it lean itll break.
I know, and a competent tuner would prevent it from running lean. I’m running the jackson flash in the same exact area without any problems. Also a competent tuner wouldn’t someone out over a hundreds times when they know they don’t have a working tune. They just kept throwing stuff at the wall and nothing was sticking.
@@gravesru So why did you change to PPEI? Im trying to figure out what you changed and what were you looking for when going away from the jacksonracing setup? Im very new to the talon stuff but ive been into the automotive performance stuff for over a decade.
@@thewraith6360 if you watch the engine build video, I went from 125whp to 184whp. So, more power. But the PPEI flash does not properly compensate for elevation changes. I was sold a finished product that was nowhere near being finished. It’s fine if you drive your talon at a specific elevation.
@@gravesru I got you, thats very weird cause i would feel like with higher elevation (less dense air and less psi) it would be less likely to run lean. Real bummer situation! Ive been there and its not fun.
You still making videos? You still have the talon?
Yep, I still have the 4 seater talon and a Pro R.
I watched only a little bit of the engine build and it was a hack job.
That is not good. Hate to say it but I smell a lawsuit. $15k is not a joke. I bought my 2019 Talon new for $17K
Yeah, I’m beyond frustrated. I spent $15k and have a broken down machine, still don’t have it running, I lost 4 months of riding because of this BS.
These Facebook groups are gonna be wild once this gets out there! What are your plans going forward?
I’m hoping to get my talon driving again soon. I’m back to the jackson racing kit now, I just have to get the transmission repaired soon.
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I’m willing to bet your machine is loosing fuel pressure. Sending you lean and your engine to the moon.
It was burning up because of a bad tune. It runs fine at any elevation with the jackson flash.
I have personally worked with Chad and ppei for over two years anything that’s not released yes is understood beta testing. Sorry this happen to you but i hVe heard both sides of the story and they have a lot of differences. Erik has been nothing but amazing with me and my tunes and personally have the pistons that was in your machine in mine right. Your exact pistons you pulled out with the scuffing on them and i am running them no issues. Chad has been nothing. It helpful for me and helpful for parts. Kory i don’t know him personally or haven’t dealt with him much but can’t speak on that. I’m sorry this happen to you but also it’s very crucial to always look at the afrs for this reason. Shoot i do on my na tunes. Hope you get to riding soon and y’all get all this behind y’all.
I do monitor AFR’s, I wouldn’t have been able to do over 150 data logs if I didn’t. You don’t have a problem because you don’t change 3-4K elevation in 30min. I was sold a finished product that wasn’t finished. I drove my machine on the same exact trails hundreds of times with the Jackson flash and didn’t have an issue. I don’t think it’s okay to say you’ll pay for a motor then blackmail me with a nda. I can tell you my story is 100% accurate and there are several people within the organization that can confirm it but declined being in the video. Chad shouldn’t have promoted and sold a build that wasn’t tested. For the first several weeks erik and Chad thought there was something wrong with my machine. I can provide you hundreds of screenshots from Chad, erik and Kory to confirm the truth.
Also, i didn’t pull pistons, Dr Powersports did. I didn’t make that call.
If I’m an idiot for doing over 100 data logs going from 3000ft to 7000ft at elevation before blowing up and engine, wouldn’t that make someone a mega idiot for blowing up an engine in a controlled environment on a dyno in a few minutes?
Hope you sue their ass off
You will most definitely win the lawsuit against them especially since they made a written contractual agreement via text saying they will cover the repair and shipping cost. Not you can also get back you me traveling expenses and recover court cost. By them wanting you to sign non-disclosure agreement it’s now going to cost them twice as much money since you didn’t agree with that. Please update us after everything is completed.
This guy could destroy a wet dream! He has no business operating anything with an engine. He has zero common sense! I hope he loses everything, cuz you can’t fix stupid!