( th-cam.com/video/PIl7Fq3LWxg/w-d-xo.html ) Watch this video if you are curious as to why we are now on our 3rd new Defender. You won't believe what happened to the first two.
Does the "new defender" still use the same 4WD lock actuator as the LR3, LR4 and others with the PLASTIC gears that fail? This would be good to point out to the public.
Pro tip: the "Low Traction Launch" system is meant to get you out of low traction situations if the SUV is stuck, or if you don't want it to get stuck at launch
Cmon guys. Enough of the tech talk and playing with the touchscreen. Let’s see it tackle some 4x4 trails. BTW I can lock the Center diff on my D2a, and it stays locked.😬
I agree. They have the detachable slide in winches that TFL could have bought long ago that would work with any vehicle they owned in present to the future.
I'm convinced this is what caused the issues in their first Defender. The video where they're leaving the dealership redlining it killed me! Guys, please just drive the thing like a normal human the first couple thousands miles then give it the beans.
@Ptguy0618 Very few, and generally only high performance car engines go through this "intense run in" process. I would assume the defenders only go through a basic functionality test like the majority of vehicles unless someone can confirm otherwise.
@@ianshea9025 I agree. I bought a ford racing crate engine a few years ago. It comes from the plant dyno tested but they still require a 1,200 mile break in period and oil change at 500 miles. Regular cars should still get a similar treatment.
@Ptguy0618 Engines are broken in to a certain level at the factory, but other things are not. For one, brakes need a few hundred miles of gentle break-in. Another thing that would need break-in are your differentials. It's always best to read an owner's manual and follow the manufacturer's recommendations. They recommend things for a reason.
I've been waiting for this series on the Defender and glad it looks like you're off and running! Great start and can't wait to see more vids. Hope that there will be pleasant surprise w/ the the reliability of this rig.
I almost purchased a new Defender, but chose a Grand Cherokee instead. The Jeep has everything this Defender has and more, for a little lower price. My Grand Cherokee also came with an eLSD in the rear, which works great with the center lock diff and/or the fulltime 4wd system.
About 2 minutes into this video and I'm already bailing. After watching the Defender series thus far, there's no way in the word I'd want one of these over my 4Runner.
I just returned one to JLR Belgium after a week of testing. When they get stuck, they get very stuck. The one I had was on crossover Continentals. The clay/mud didn't care for them at all. All 4 wheels turning in low range and with centre lock. I'd have got it out old Defender style but these are expensive so wasn't going to start slamming logs under it. Luckily a gentle tug from a New Holland and we were out :) Loved every second of the 100. What a machine.
Yeap I’m the UK. Windscreen replacement comes as standard with your insurance. I’ve never had to pay for a new windscreen and I go through one a year 😬
@@Mugtree insurance here in the US is near total scam, within a scam. Not paying out on legitimate claims is considered a completely normal revenue source for these sleazy companies.
I miss the one you guys ordered. You guys did such a good job and made it your own. And it looked cool....Might be cool to do your slip test with it to show people how it works.
@@xxtm72xx63 nothing has gone wrong with my Range Rover Sport in 50k miles including lots of off-roading. My old 4Runner had a shock body explode at 10k miles. Stop repeating tired tropes about reliability and get with the times.
Congrads for finally getting the LR Defender, hope this does not break. Being a Disco 3, 4, and 5 owner, I assure you that LR’s terrain resoonse modes are mostly a gimmic that is hard to understand that even it works or not - EXCEPT FOR ONE: the “auto mode” that comes with Terrain Response 2 is unbelivably good and saves you at almost all the loose terrain situations. It has recovered the vehicle by itself in a number of deep snow, deep mud and soft sand stuck positions. Will not help when there is clearance issues (if vehicle is terribly grounded), but it will help greatly in others. Tried at least 30 times. Auoto mode is great.
I think to know how good the new Defender is in the snow you have got to have snow tyres fitted. Why not grab some snow tyres on some steels as a separate set? That would give you some testing out for this seasons video posts!
@@pl2514 if you can find someone that manufactures 20 inch steel rims to suit this application then I guess you can, but that doesnt solve the lack of sidewall issue
@@peopleschamp7258 I had no idea it was the rear calipers that caused the clearance issue, normally its the larger front discs and calipers that determine what size wheels you can use on a car. Since Land rover beefed up the brakes to match the power output of the larger engines wouldnt downsizing your brakes void warranty and insurance?
I enjoyed your son saying "Dad", my son is teaching in China and won't be back for Christmas and I've enjoyed, in recent years, going out in the Malvern Hills with my son and dog and hearing him say "Dad" and pointing out something. Anyway, that's just me being daft!
It's a beautiful vehicle. The fulltime 4WD system in the Defender sounds a lot like the Jeep Quadra Trac2 system found in the Grand Cherokee. It has a fulltime 4WD with a 2 speed transfer case. When in HI the default is open center dif. In Lo the center diff is locked. My Grand Cherokee has never disappointed me in the snow (yet). And the Goodyear Adventure AT with Kevlar is also what you get on the Grand Cherokee if you choose the off-road package. The tires are okay in snow. I have never had a problem getting moving. Handling is good too as long as you don't overdo it. Braking is where I'm not happy. I don't think they stop the vehicle well. My Suburban was bigger and heavier. I had General all-terrains on it and I liked those tires much better in the snow. I think if snow tires are not a practical option, people should really try to get all-seasons or all-terrains with the three peak mountain snowflake symbol.
Can’t help but imagine the Queen pulling up from under your Defender asking for more gas. Great review so far, congratulations to you both, great work 👍
I would NEVER consider this vehicle for myself but I appreciate TFL taking the bullet for me. Thank you. Just looking at all of the features and functions that could (i.e., will) go wrong on that sled is dizzying.
SVR Defender seems like an oxymoron. Why not just buy a sports car if you want high speed handling? Defender is just not about that nor should it be. Why in the world anybody wants to try and turn a top heavy overbuilt truck into a tight handling speed wagon is beyond me.
@@arkos55 as far as I’m aware it’s not going to be an svr it’s going to be called the svx which just means it has the supercharged V8 but without sports suspension tires etc
I managed the team that did the initial UX design for the defender in Portland, OR. We did a lot of user testing with the Pacific Coast Rover Club for using those off-road pages!
I'd agree here. People get really obsessed about lockers bc they haven't actually driven these. If you're obsessed about lockers you're arguing about the wrong car (i.e. it's not a rock buggy)
I got a new 4 runner this year. Took it down quite a few trails already. Trails I used to take my k5 blazer and think (lockers would be nice) but never "needed" the lockers. Still have not used the locker. Lol. I have used the terrain select and A-track. But even then, I didn't need it. I used them because I had them. Lol. I used to have a rock crawler that was locked. It was a dedicated rig that got trailered everywhere. Lockers are nice to have "just in case" but I still am having a hard time seeing a situation I will need it. But damn glad I have it.
Thanks for showing a closeup on the heated windshield guys, hadn't seen it up close in any other videos yet. Not many vehicles have the option but I don't have a garage at the moment so it might be a nice option. I'm in a Q5 lease right now, they don't even offer remote start. :(
@@robertopics Nup. Dec 21 (winter solstice in the northern hemisphere) is the shortest day thus by definition, winter is roughly 6½ weeks either side of the solstice. Winter starts exactly half way between the autumn equinox and the winter solstice. Mid-Autumn being the autumnal equinox and thus autumn is roughly 6½ weeks either side of the solstice. Each of the 4 seasons being 13 weeks long. 13 weeks x 4 is 52 weeks - a year. So no, winter doesn’t start on the shortest day, it’s halfway through by then as the days start getting longer. Of course here in Australia Dec 21 is mid-summer (longest day). Irrelevant what the weather or temps may be like - this is based on the sun and angle of the earth and isn’t disputable.
I'm surprised you guys don't get a winch that goes in a reese hitch receiver and then you guys could take it from vehicle to vehicle you can set a plug up so it plugs into your trailer lights plug
Awesome to see the defender getting out and about. Have you guys seen if there are many more tyre options past the Goodyear, pirelli and Michelin options?
Your hearts were in the right place, you ordered the Defender in the model most of us wanted to see. Obvi, there were challenges. A little disappointed you settled on this one. On one side, who wouldn't take an almost 30k upgrade for free, totally get it, and I'm sure this will be great when you sell this car. On the other hand, running this Defender through its paces off-road, I just feel like your content will not be on par with other Channels. The lack of a Rear Locker on your model will not accurately portray the "chops" of this vehicle off-road. Love the Channel, but on this one, I just wish you wish you would have waited to get one with a Rear Locker so I, and others, could see the true capability of this vehicle.
Your LR3 snow video was much much better. Why spend 70k on a new defender when apart from the name it doesn't appear to have moved on even the styling from the LR3
I’ve just bought a 2020 Toyota Landcruiser fitted with the 4.5 lt TD. The only electronics is an am/fm radio which is pitiful and electric windows. Oh it does have a heater. But, diff locks front and back and a manual gearbox / high low 4wd. The electronics on this LR is just way over the top ,
The problem with defender is that touch screen it should have basic modes Sand, mud etc . it should override button or a lever to switch it into the four-wheel drive mode. did you notice how long you sat there to put it into 4x4 what happens if you have a track with multiple a trains look I'm not knocking things I just think it can be improved
Definitely agree, would have preferred to see the base model with a base engine. Kind of weird too I detect a little bit of friction between Tommy and Dad. Tommy definitely seems a bit frustrated and definitely disappointed, They talked about this in that last video a bit. By the time winter comes and is gone and they do any off-road stuff it'll probably be too late to be fresh and interesting.
I definitely prefer this one over the first one you had. It’s disappointing that Land Rover was never able to install a winch for you... I mean that almost seems like a joke to me that a large auto maker like that with so much off-road history is unable to install a winch on one of their own vehicles...🤷♂️
No man , it’s not just you. My 16 year old Gx470 is still more reliable and trustworthy than that “ thing”. Plus nothing bad , but when dudes talking off road harp over and over about the pretty color , the heated seats and how it’s superior to the land cruiser because something with a horrible reputation for unreliable electronics “ automatically “ locks the center differential for you , sounds more like a disaster in the making. But I confess, I am biased.
I wonder what the 4cyl engine would be like at that temp, and that elevation? Oh. Nevermind. I’ve already seen a luxury Defender 6cyl with the 20” wheel/tire package on several other channels.
@Ptguy0618 Absolutely. Followed the series. In fact, it coincides with my daily schedule and I'm usually drinking my coffee, when the new videos are updated. If you were following, you perhaps would have seen my many comments to the like. Although out of their control, and JLR did right by them as the vehicle is concerned, it COMPLETELY blew their uniqueness and "FIRST" nature of the series. Basically, costing TFL monetization money, scoop-factor, and relegating this into what everybody has already seen; a review of a somewhat luxury appointed, 6cyl, 20"wheel/tire package, average press release Defender. Nothing special and had flooded the internet for months.
As I'm seeing more details about the new Bronco Sport it makes me think that would have been a more interesting vehicle than the Defender as a test vehicle. It has at least 90% of the offroad capability (including a locking rear differential) for 1/3rd (?) the price. The only major thing it doesn't have is a third row of seats, which you already said you weren't going to use.
Like Richard Hammond says, the new defender it,s the best discovery that land rover haver made. The new Ineos Granadier have the real sipirt of the defender. This one is just an luxury suv with some off road capability.
Great review. I do have this same vehicle in white . I love it ! After what you guys have been through I think you have been very fair minded. And it seems as though LR has done its best to accommodate you. My new favorite channel...Cheers
I trade in my 2014 CRV and KTM adventure 1090 for this and opt for front centre seat instead..Going to take my family of 6 next weekend..I still have the 2019 KTM Super Adventure 1290S for offroading too
TFL: I like Defender #3. Looks nice in and out. Doing very very well on the wet-packed snow. Compare to our SUV's, see which goes further in the trails. Tommy: what, no male-pattern-baldness commercial on a car channel?
nah. if they are going to do a lot of winter testing they should buy winter tires and some steel rims to easily show the difference. that way in the spring they can switch back to these and show how they do.
Not everyone does, but if you live in an area where they do it's a VERY smart idea to have the right tire. I live in MA and around here you can get away with it easily when you stay on commuting roads, but go up to maine or rural nh/vt and you really need winter tires. My last car i got winter tires for was a light as heck 98 civic hatch and it made it feel like a truck, i could plow through deep snow that scraped the undercarriage with ease. If i spent 70k on a new car i wouldn't want to risk a slide just to save $1000, when i know i can pretty much double it's snow/ice traction. I get what you're saying, but their climate warrants it, and once you've experienced a winter tire you don't want to be without em because you always feel you are majorly lacking traction.
Just an idea: Take it to Moab and to the Lockhart Basin Road just next to Canyonlands National Park. Do the north road -- lots of good red sand and rock, see how some good stock vehicles do like that Defender. You can even visit the site where the Utah Monolith was located, at 38.34304222,-109.66601192 even in wintertime. BLM land, take the F-150 with 7.2kW generator.
How long does it take the defender to defrost and warm up in the morning (windows frozen solid) no use of de ice spray or ice scraper, all windows cleared and vision unimpeded by interior misted (frozen) windows . Compared to your wrangler window heater review of a couple of weeks ago?
I believe, for driving on snowy roads, an awd with low center of gravity is the best. A high center of gravity does not help you when have curvy roads. Unfortunately, our society thinks trucks and suvs are the way to go.
Is it me, or do I assume that not a lot of SUV owners who pay $50k + do a lot of off-roading? This from a guy who used to work at a Land Rover dealership. Thinking Land Rovers might have to navigate an unplowed driveway or hop a curb occasionally, but don't think we are going to see them on Black Bear Pass.
It's a good test because that's the more normal that is out there and even though I would never own one without the rear locker I do like to see what they can do without it because I have never owned one without one and I never will
It was pointless to settle for the luxury non-base non-off road model as a replacement. Now you're forced to make this crappy content in a mall crawler for wealthy people.
Amazing scenery out there! And $10 for a christmas tree?? We just paid $80CAD ($62 USD) just last week from a tree farm in Ontario and this was for only a 6ft tall one. I think I live in the wrong place :)
Please compare Rubicon with Defender (real test). I am confused between these two. Future plan to buy one but can’t make my decision. Steering wheel issue with Jeep Wrangler - Slight Gap or play in the steering wheel. From Australia 🇦🇺
I am at the start of the vid, $1.00 says it breaks down before you get to find out ? (did you have a support vehicle following - ya know, just in case ?)
My ram air suspension is fire I play with all the time Zero issues so far. Must people who talk down on air ride can’t even afford a vehicle with air ride . So there jealous and spew hate
@@MR.TOYBOX air ride is amazing, and works really well for its intended purpose. But they just arent as reliable as other options when you take it over long stretches of offroad conditions. Great, but I wouldn't drive around the world with it. Mercedes proved this when they send 3 g-wagons onto the canning stock and every single one of them had suspension failure.
@@steinar.offroad I agree for true off-roading it’s not the best option. For us pulling our camper it’s amazing. It auto levels which is a big deal. Plus I can go from 3 inch to 6 inch lift with the press of a button. Has rough country 5 inch lift fully compatible with the factory air ride !! 2019 ram 1500 limited
@@MR.TOYBOX yeah thats dope stuff right! You are absolutely correct, almost no-one uses offroad vehicles for long distance remote travel over longer periods of time. For what you are doing air ride sounds perfect.
My LR4 HSE has most of this minus flashy new screen and new car smell. Has more space and comfort and a V8 with a tail gate. I thin’k I’m keeping my LR4.
Still blows me away how cramped that interior is, given the size of the vehicle. My LR4 interior is like a cathedral compared to this. But yeah, proper winter tires are an absolute must with vehicles this heavy. Otherwise you’re just driving a roller skate lol.
( th-cam.com/video/PIl7Fq3LWxg/w-d-xo.html ) Watch this video if you are curious as to why we are now on our 3rd new Defender. You won't believe what happened to the first two.
Lol good vehicle if you like to party! 🤘
Does the "new defender" still use the same 4WD lock actuator as the LR3, LR4 and others with the PLASTIC gears that fail? This would be good to point out to the public.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 yah its made out of lego pieces. Built by kids. Lmao
Pro tip: the "Low Traction Launch" system is meant to get you out of low traction situations if the SUV is stuck, or if you don't want it to get stuck at launch
I don't care about this vehicle, especially without the off-road and rear locker.
Cmon guys. Enough of the tech talk and playing with the touchscreen. Let’s see it tackle some 4x4 trails.
BTW I can lock the Center diff on my D2a, and it stays locked.😬
Yeah - they talk way too much.
They should come with a heated rear window, so your hands dont get cold when your pushing it
That'd be the defroster. Ba Dum Tuss!
Bummed it's not the cheap offroad Defender. Was excited to see what bottom-line LandRover is like. Guess it's never worth it.
So far it can go everywhere my wife's Camry can go. 👍
except your wifes camry can last longer than a day on the road
Yupp.. lol
Correction, the “wheels” are large, the “tires” are not...
Go see one in real life. It has pretty big wheels and tires. (In comparison to other suv's and pickups etc)
And the tires by definition are larger than the large wheels I presume ;-)
@@theshadypilot I get it, but I'd still take my 285/70R17's which have some actual sidewall over those anyday...😉
@@thebeast9606 ok, compared to that, I see your point: )
How about the winch that attaches to the tow hitch receiver... often times towing from the back is better anyway
I agree. They have the detachable slide in winches that TFL could have bought long ago that would work with any vehicle they owned in present to the future.
@@WW-wf8tu Could you give us examples of detachable slide-in winches? I see an winch mount on Amazon for $100, is that what you mean? Thanks!
Roman: "I'm gonna give it the beans."
Break in period: "am I a joke to you?"
Check engine light: "Nows my time to shine!"
@Ptguy0618 The engine isn't the only thing that might need break in.
I'm convinced this is what caused the issues in their first Defender. The video where they're leaving the dealership redlining it killed me! Guys, please just drive the thing like a normal human the first couple thousands miles then give it the beans.
@Ptguy0618 Very few, and generally only high performance car engines go through this "intense run in" process. I would assume the defenders only go through a basic functionality test like the majority of vehicles unless someone can confirm otherwise.
@@ianshea9025 I agree. I bought a ford racing crate engine a few years ago. It comes from the plant dyno tested but they still require a 1,200 mile break in period and oil change at 500 miles. Regular cars should still get a similar treatment.
@Ptguy0618 Engines are broken in to a certain level at the factory, but other things are not. For one, brakes need a few hundred miles of gentle break-in. Another thing that would need break-in are your differentials. It's always best to read an owner's manual and follow the manufacturer's recommendations. They recommend things for a reason.
That Defender looks great. I think you should put some snow rated tires on it.
Agreed! Put some decent winter tires on, put some max trax on the roof, and keep some chains in the back to turn this thing into a winter monster.
@@arthwys agreed, and make some awesome winter content for u s🙂
I've been waiting for this series on the Defender and glad it looks like you're off and running! Great start and can't wait to see more vids. Hope that there will be pleasant surprise w/ the the reliability of this rig.
I have to say this is my favorite of the 3 Defenders so far. Mostly because it’s working.
Lol, you say that now. . .
@@jg5001 Check engine light in 3...2...1
TFLoffroad....Could have attempted at least a minor bit of off-road surely?
Agree. My 97 Saturn beater could have made it up that road on half bald tires.
I almost purchased a new Defender, but chose a Grand Cherokee instead. The Jeep has everything this Defender has and more, for a little lower price. My Grand Cherokee also came with an eLSD in the rear, which works great with the center lock diff and/or the fulltime 4wd system.
About 2 minutes into this video and I'm already bailing. After watching the Defender series thus far, there's no way in the word I'd want one of these over my 4Runner.
In Canada 🇨🇦 we call it sledding (snowmobile)
In Saskatchewan they are referred to as Skidoos...
I just returned one to JLR Belgium after a week of testing.
When they get stuck, they get very stuck. The one I had was on crossover Continentals. The clay/mud didn't care for them at all. All 4 wheels turning in low range and with centre lock.
I'd have got it out old Defender style but these are expensive so wasn't going to start slamming logs under it. Luckily a gentle tug from a New Holland and we were out :)
Loved every second of the 100. What a machine.
I suspect that heated windshields seem like a good idea until you have to pay to replace one.
Insurance pays for windshields, isn't that the same in the US?
@@DrivenHard that depends on your plan and deductible.
$200 deductible for me, it doesn't matter what windshield you have.
Yeap I’m the UK. Windscreen replacement comes as standard with your insurance. I’ve never had to pay for a new windscreen and I go through one a year 😬
@@Mugtree insurance here in the US is near total scam, within a scam. Not paying out on legitimate claims is considered a completely normal revenue source for these sleazy companies.
I miss the one you guys ordered. You guys did such a good job and made it your own. And it looked cool....Might be cool to do your slip test with it to show people how it works.
Its a good job that it has so much electronics in it.What could possibly go wrong.
It's not the 1970's anymore grandpa. We've figured out how to make electronics reliable.
@@ab185 lol until something breaks off road
Things can't go wrong will go wrong with Range Rover products
@@guniseran I have a Range Rover Sport with 50k miles on it that I off-road frequently. It has been more reliable than my 4Runner was.
@@xxtm72xx63 nothing has gone wrong with my Range Rover Sport in 50k miles including lots of off-roading. My old 4Runner had a shock body explode at 10k miles. Stop repeating tired tropes about reliability and get with the times.
Congrads for finally getting the LR Defender, hope this does not break. Being a Disco 3, 4, and 5 owner, I assure you that LR’s terrain resoonse modes are mostly a gimmic that is hard to understand that even it works or not - EXCEPT FOR ONE: the “auto mode” that comes with Terrain Response 2 is unbelivably good and saves you at almost all the loose terrain situations. It has recovered the vehicle by itself in a number of deep snow, deep mud and soft sand stuck positions. Will not help when there is clearance issues (if vehicle is terribly grounded), but it will help greatly in others. Tried at least 30 times. Auoto mode is great.
I think to know how good the new Defender is in the snow you have got to have snow tyres fitted. Why not grab some snow tyres on some steels as a separate set? That would give you some testing out for this seasons video posts!
Unfortunately, they cant fit the 18" steelies on this model due to the size of the brakes.
@@daverogers9476 Surely you can fit 20" steelies?
@@daverogers9476 wrong; you can put 18 on them. Those of us that have them did a rear caliper swap. Then place 18 on.
@@pl2514 if you can find someone that manufactures 20 inch steel rims to suit this application then I guess you can, but that doesnt solve the lack of sidewall issue
@@peopleschamp7258 I had no idea it was the rear calipers that caused the clearance issue, normally its the larger front discs and calipers that determine what size wheels you can use on a car. Since Land rover beefed up the brakes to match the power output of the larger engines wouldnt downsizing your brakes void warranty and insurance?
I enjoyed your son saying "Dad", my son is teaching in China and won't be back for Christmas and I've enjoyed, in recent years, going out in the Malvern Hills with my son and dog and hearing him say "Dad" and pointing out something. Anyway, that's just me being daft!
It's a beautiful vehicle. The fulltime 4WD system in the Defender sounds a lot like the Jeep Quadra Trac2 system found in the Grand Cherokee. It has a fulltime 4WD with a 2 speed transfer case. When in HI the default is open center dif. In Lo the center diff is locked. My Grand Cherokee has never disappointed me in the snow (yet). And the Goodyear Adventure AT with Kevlar is also what you get on the Grand Cherokee if you choose the off-road package. The tires are okay in snow. I have never had a problem getting moving. Handling is good too as long as you don't overdo it. Braking is where I'm not happy. I don't think they stop the vehicle well. My Suburban was bigger and heavier. I had General all-terrains on it and I liked those tires much better in the snow. I think if snow tires are not a practical option, people should really try to get all-seasons or all-terrains with the three peak mountain snowflake symbol.
Can’t help but imagine the Queen pulling up from under your Defender asking for more gas. Great review so far, congratulations to you both, great work 👍
I would NEVER consider this vehicle for myself but I appreciate TFL taking the bullet for me. Thank you. Just looking at all of the features and functions that could (i.e., will) go wrong on that sled is dizzying.
You didn't do anything that I couldn't have done in my daily driver Kia Soul... I was expecting to see some deep snow...
Love the color scheme inside and out.
Test drove the Defender yesterday and feel in love with it!! Heard they are coming out with an SVR version, can’t wait
For mall crawling?
@@Pepe-dq2ib I mean considering the price and tech choices this is what it's best at. That and short easy trail into campsite.
SVR Defender seems like an oxymoron. Why not just buy a sports car if you want high speed handling? Defender is just not about that nor should it be. Why in the world anybody wants to try and turn a top heavy overbuilt truck into a tight handling speed wagon is beyond me.
@@arkos55 as far as I’m aware it’s not going to be an svr it’s going to be called the svx which just means it has the supercharged V8 but without sports suspension tires etc
@@arkos55 where you are wrong is the "tight" part. In the US often people value fast and powerful car over thight "ballerina" handling.
Good morning 🌞 Roman and Tommy... watching TFL on the Big screen today!!
Unfortunately if you want a defender you'll have to wait for the ineos grenadier. It'll be cheaper than a landy here in the UK too.
Rick Greenhalgh prices they quoted are +vat so the same!
I’m starting to see more new Defenders on the road!
Take the FJ Cruiser, a relatively spartan big SUV, along for comparison!
Best advice ! Don't get one, trouble and stress on wheels.
I managed the team that did the initial UX design for the defender in Portland, OR. We did a lot of user testing with the Pacific Coast Rover Club for using those off-road pages!
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smh 95% of people will not even need it - not even on the trails. The terrain response will help compensate.
But that one time you need it might be priceless.
I'd agree here. People get really obsessed about lockers bc they haven't actually driven these. If you're obsessed about lockers you're arguing about the wrong car (i.e. it's not a rock buggy)
I got a new 4 runner this year. Took it down quite a few trails already. Trails I used to take my k5 blazer and think (lockers would be nice) but never "needed" the lockers. Still have not used the locker. Lol.
I have used the terrain select and A-track. But even then, I didn't need it. I used them because I had them. Lol.
I used to have a rock crawler that was locked. It was a dedicated rig that got trailered everywhere.
Lockers are nice to have "just in case" but I still am having a hard time seeing a situation I will need it. But damn glad I have it.
Thanks for showing a closeup on the heated windshield guys, hadn't seen it up close in any other videos yet. Not many vehicles have the option but I don't have a garage at the moment so it might be a nice option. I'm in a Q5 lease right now, they don't even offer remote start. :(
Oh, the irony of Land Rover putting Wrangler tyres on its 4x4 cars. Glad someone at LR has a sense of humour. :)
Best and most true to the "Discovery" name, vehicle in their lineup.
Keep it coming! Thank you
Good video gang, glad to see the Defender out in the woods and off of the pavement.
I believe these tyres are 3 peak certified for winter driving
“Middle of Winter”? Technically we’re in the middle of Fall. You’re thinking February. But since your channel fkn rocks, Im’a let it slide.
We are only a few weeks before winter. We are actually in the last part of fall.
Technically mid-winter (northern hemisphere) is Dec 21 (shortest day) so it’s very close to mid-winter.
@@jerrymyahzcat winter starts December 21 and ends March 21 give or take. Middle of winter is the end of January 😆.
@@robertopics Nup. Dec 21 (winter solstice in the northern hemisphere) is the shortest day thus by definition, winter is roughly 6½ weeks either side of the solstice.
Winter starts exactly half way between the autumn equinox and the winter solstice. Mid-Autumn being the autumnal equinox and thus autumn is roughly 6½ weeks either side of the solstice. Each of the 4 seasons being 13 weeks long. 13 weeks x 4 is 52 weeks - a year.
So no, winter doesn’t start on the shortest day, it’s halfway through by then as the days start getting longer. Of course here in Australia Dec 21 is mid-summer (longest day).
Irrelevant what the weather or temps may be like - this is based on the sun and angle of the earth and isn’t disputable.
@@jerrymyahzcat by any chance are you European?
Has a beautiful paint job !
My bison has heated seats heated steering wheel and front rear lockers at half the price
The bison is an actual offroad vehicle rather than a mall crawler that can do mild offroad. Different audience.
Yeah but have you had to replace your truck 3 times? Does the check engine light come on everytime you drive it?
@@gtropix658 all of the issues I've had were 100% my fault.
I'm surprised you guys don't get a winch that goes in a reese hitch receiver and then you guys could take it from vehicle to vehicle you can set a plug up so it plugs into your trailer lights plug
Awesome to see the defender getting out and about. Have you guys seen if there are many more tyre options past the Goodyear, pirelli and Michelin options?
Your hearts were in the right place, you ordered the Defender in the model most of us wanted to see. Obvi, there were challenges. A little disappointed you settled on this one. On one side, who wouldn't take an almost 30k upgrade for free, totally get it, and I'm sure this will be great when you sell this car. On the other hand, running this Defender through its paces off-road, I just feel like your content will not be on par with other Channels. The lack of a Rear Locker on your model will not accurately portray the "chops" of this vehicle off-road. Love the Channel, but on this one, I just wish you wish you would have waited to get one with a Rear Locker so I, and others, could see the true capability of this vehicle.
Your LR3 snow video was much much better. Why spend 70k on a new defender when apart from the name it doesn't appear to have moved on even the styling from the LR3
So we getting a vid on the differance between this Defender and your old one?
Yall struck YT gold with the Defender shitshow - Congrats!
TBH, I don't give a rip about the Defender, just watching to see how long it takes before it breaks and your guys reaction to it breaking.
I’ve just bought a 2020 Toyota Landcruiser fitted with the 4.5 lt TD. The only electronics is an am/fm radio which is pitiful and electric windows. Oh it does have a heater. But, diff locks front and back and a manual gearbox / high low 4wd. The electronics on this LR is just way over the top ,
The problem with defender is that touch screen it should have basic modes Sand, mud etc . it should override button or a lever to switch it into the four-wheel drive mode. did you notice how long you sat there to put it into 4x4 what happens if you have a track with multiple a trains look I'm not knocking things I just think it can be improved
So disappointed so wanted to see an off road defender I could afford should of just put a motor in the white one
Agree. This defeats the original premise of the review.
I agree. More capable 70k defender doesn’t seem as exciting.
Definitely agree, would have preferred to see the base model with a base engine.
Kind of weird too I detect a little bit of friction between Tommy and Dad. Tommy definitely seems a bit frustrated and definitely disappointed, They talked about this in that last video a bit.
By the time winter comes and is gone and they do any off-road stuff it'll probably be too late to be fresh and interesting.
didnt need a motor... that technician was only capable of working on Lego Defender's... thats why he gave them a Lego Defender
@@kens97sto171 everyone is reviewing high end defenders no one is reviewing a base model
would have loved to see the base defender in action
I definitely prefer this one over the first one you had. It’s disappointing that Land Rover was never able to install a winch for you... I mean that almost seems like a joke to me that a large auto maker like that with so much off-road history is unable to install a winch on one of their own vehicles...🤷♂️
No rear locker??
Is it just me...hear me out, or is the ancient Lexus GX superior to this in almost every conceivable way?
I love my GX. Amazing vehicle!
The defender has better dash Christmas lights
No man , it’s not just you. My 16 year old Gx470 is still more reliable and trustworthy than that “ thing”. Plus nothing bad , but when dudes talking off road harp over and over about the pretty color , the heated seats and how it’s superior to the land cruiser because something with a horrible reputation for unreliable electronics “ automatically “ locks the center differential for you , sounds more like a disaster in the making. But I confess, I am biased.
Hey TFLsomething something...which channel has the Defender versus land cruiser?!? you mention it in other videos but we cant find it.
I wonder what the 4cyl engine would be like at that temp, and that elevation? Oh. Nevermind. I’ve already seen a luxury Defender 6cyl with the 20” wheel/tire package on several other channels.
I hear that the 4 cylinder is just as fast as the 6. Unfortunately, that's on the back of a flatbed.
@Ptguy0618 Absolutely. Followed the series. In fact, it coincides with my daily schedule and I'm usually drinking my coffee, when the new videos are updated. If you were following, you perhaps would have seen my many comments to the like. Although out of their control, and JLR did right by them as the vehicle is concerned, it COMPLETELY blew their uniqueness and "FIRST" nature of the series. Basically, costing TFL monetization money, scoop-factor, and relegating this into what everybody has already seen; a review of a somewhat luxury appointed, 6cyl, 20"wheel/tire package, average press release Defender. Nothing special and had flooded the internet for months.
As I'm seeing more details about the new Bronco Sport it makes me think that would have been a more interesting vehicle than the Defender as a test vehicle. It has at least 90% of the offroad capability (including a locking rear differential) for 1/3rd (?) the price. The only major thing it doesn't have is a third row of seats, which you already said you weren't going to use.
Like Richard Hammond says, the new defender it,s the best discovery that land rover haver made. The new Ineos Granadier have the real sipirt of the defender. This one is just an luxury suv with some off road capability.
all weather mats? optional? Voice commands?
Great review. I do have this same vehicle in white . I love it ! After what you guys have been through I think you have been very fair minded. And it seems as though LR has done its best to accommodate you. My new favorite channel...Cheers
I trade in my 2014 CRV and KTM adventure 1090 for this and opt for front centre seat instead..Going to take my family of 6 next weekend..I still have the 2019 KTM Super Adventure 1290S for offroading too
TFL: I like Defender #3. Looks nice in and out. Doing very very well on the wet-packed snow. Compare to our SUV's, see which goes further in the trails.
Tommy: what, no male-pattern-baldness commercial on a car channel?
Keep those tires for a little while and see how they do! Not everyone goes out before the tires wear out and buy $1000 worth of tires.
nah. if they are going to do a lot of winter testing they should buy winter tires and some steel rims to easily show the difference. that way in the spring they can switch back to these and show how they do.
@@jeff119990 I agree. Snow commonly falls in Colorado from November through April. That's half the year. Snow tires would not be a waste of money.
Not everyone does, but if you live in an area where they do it's a VERY smart idea to have the right tire. I live in MA and around here you can get away with it easily when you stay on commuting roads, but go up to maine or rural nh/vt and you really need winter tires. My last car i got winter tires for was a light as heck 98 civic hatch and it made it feel like a truck, i could plow through deep snow that scraped the undercarriage with ease. If i spent 70k on a new car i wouldn't want to risk a slide just to save $1000, when i know i can pretty much double it's snow/ice traction. I get what you're saying, but their climate warrants it, and once you've experienced a winter tire you don't want to be without em because you always feel you are majorly lacking traction.
Just an idea: Take it to Moab and to the Lockhart Basin Road just next to Canyonlands National Park. Do the north road -- lots of good red sand and rock, see how some good stock vehicles do like that Defender. You can even visit the site where the Utah Monolith was located, at 38.34304222,-109.66601192 even in wintertime. BLM land, take the F-150 with 7.2kW generator.
How long does it take the defender to defrost and warm up in the morning (windows frozen solid) no use of de ice spray or ice scraper, all windows cleared and vision unimpeded by interior misted (frozen) windows . Compared to your wrangler window heater review of a couple of weeks ago?
You guys should buy a long term Chevy Colorado zr2
I believe, for driving on snowy roads, an awd with low center of gravity is the best. A high center of gravity does not help you when have curvy roads. Unfortunately, our society thinks trucks and suvs are the way to go.
Can you add the rear locker aftermarket or from JLR?
Is it me, or do I assume that not a lot of SUV owners who pay $50k + do a lot of off-roading? This from a guy who used to work at a Land Rover dealership. Thinking Land Rovers might have to navigate an unplowed driveway or hop a curb occasionally, but don't think we are going to see them on Black Bear Pass.
"Bougie" Tommy your Boulder is showing...
Haha yeah, Tommy is the only person I've ever heard say that. Must be a Boulder thing.
Pretty sure Tommy’s loafers are a lil light! ;)
@@nolij7765 There's a very popular song that uses that word too. th-cam.com/video/zoPH_Tgbl00/w-d-xo.html
Why would you get "rubberized" mats to protect rubber floors???
Have to say that I agree with the comments about losing interest now it is not the base model....not the guys fault...they did try!
When is TFL going to start testing Snowmobiles?
There is a new channel on the way. TFLsnowmobiles
Uses the word “accoutrement” then makes fun of his dad for “chalet”
He also pronounced accoutrement incorrectly.
Roman: "I am shitting, dude." lol
I love that blue. I'd like it more if it were on the base model
It's a good test because that's the more normal that is out there and even though I would never own one without the rear locker I do like to see what they can do without it because I have never owned one without one and I never will
Is a rear locking differential an option on this Chelsea tractor?
It was pointless to settle for the luxury non-base non-off road model as a replacement. Now you're forced to make this crappy content in a mall crawler for wealthy people.
Amazing scenery out there! And $10 for a christmas tree?? We just paid $80CAD ($62 USD) just last week from a tree farm in Ontario and this was for only a 6ft tall one. I think I live in the wrong place :)
would be nice to see a comparison between the Defender and the FJ
Did you decide to ditch the winch?
Please compare Rubicon with Defender (real test). I am confused between these two. Future plan to buy one but can’t make my decision. Steering wheel issue with Jeep Wrangler - Slight Gap or play in the steering wheel. From Australia 🇦🇺
If you are in OZ buy a real offroader jimny or Land Cruiser 79 series
When you turned the car around in the trees, it actually looked like a Defender.
Gorgeous rig.
I am at the start of the vid, $1.00 says it breaks down before you get to find out ? (did you have a support vehicle following - ya know, just in case ?)
Get some traction boards, might help in deeper snow. 🤷♂️
Don’t play with the air suspension they can break not only in JLR but any air suspension vehicle
My ram air suspension is fire
I play with all the time
Zero issues so far. Must people who talk down on air ride can’t even afford a vehicle with air ride . So there jealous and spew hate
@@MR.TOYBOX air ride is amazing, and works really well for its intended purpose. But they just arent as reliable as other options when you take it over long stretches of offroad conditions. Great, but I wouldn't drive around the world with it.
Mercedes proved this when they send 3 g-wagons onto the canning stock and every single one of them had suspension failure.
@@steinar.offroad I agree for true off-roading it’s not the best option. For us pulling our camper it’s amazing. It auto levels which is a big deal. Plus I can go from 3 inch to 6 inch lift with the press of a button. Has rough country 5 inch lift fully compatible with the factory air ride !! 2019 ram 1500 limited
@@MR.TOYBOX yeah thats dope stuff right! You are absolutely correct, almost no-one uses offroad vehicles for long distance remote travel over longer periods of time. For what you are doing air ride sounds perfect.
@@MR.TOYBOX it's not like that take it on off rad for a week then you will see what i mean
My LR4 HSE has most of this minus flashy new screen and new car smell. Has more space and comfort and a V8 with a tail gate. I thin’k I’m keeping my LR4.
dont care about a defender like id buy one of those crap boxes even before it took 3 to get you 1 that worked
Beautiful color but yeah I wish it had a rear locker
What ever happened to a simple gear lever/button? It seems like you need a copilot to go through all the settings screens. Definitely not practical
I like it !
You bought the MotorTrend SUV of the year. All three times.
compare that new defender vs your toyota FJ
If they put the same tires on them and did comparisons!!! Heck yes.
Still blows me away how cramped that interior is, given the size of the vehicle. My LR4 interior is like a cathedral compared to this.
But yeah, proper winter tires are an absolute must with vehicles this heavy. Otherwise you’re just driving a roller skate lol.
70k to look great on packed snow. Great video