Sydney VS Melbourne - Which City Has Better Transport?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- It's time to answer the most controversial question of them all.. Sydney or Melbourne? Transport edition!
Massive thanks to TheBusOfDoomFSX for the majority of Melbourne train clips in this video, you can check out his channel here:
/ @thebusofdoomfsx
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:35 Accessibility/Wayfinding
1:48 Trains
4:07 Cleanliness
4:51 Fares
6:30 Regional Rail
8:18 Frequency
13:36 Conclusion
Copyright - TsetsTransport 2024, I do not claim ownership of any of the content in this video that I don't own and full credit goes to the owner.
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Trying out a new editing style in this video - let me know if you like it or not! :)
AMAZING EDITING! What software?
its fine
Good editing, adds a little more professional look to your videos. Keep up the good work. Since I live near the main western line, I'll be looking forward to seeing the test runs of the new Civity trains.
Look, it’s great, really professional, but in the end, it’s up to whatever’s easier to use, I don’t think we’ll really care if your videos look a little less professional, we just want them to be informative :) keep it up mate
Yeah it’s great
Before continuing on the video, one thing I feel where Sydney wins over Melbourne, and most other cities in Australia, is being able to use a credit card for public transport, and thus not being locked into the city's transport card (Opal, Myki, etc) if just visiting.
Completely agree with you!
Brisbane also lets you do that, and Perth and Melbourne are in the process of rolling it out as well
Idk about Adelaide I don't pay attention to cities smaller than Perth
@@illiiilli24601 Yes you're right, I don't think there's any plans for it in Adelaide at the moment from what I've seen.
@@illiiilli24601 good to know about Brissy. It just makes sense, really.
@@illiiilli24601 you can pay using credit card in Adelaide. I tried it last year when taking a tram to Glenelg.
Sydney has better express services
Agreed. :)
Great video Elliot! Awesome editing wow! 🤩 🎉🎉
Hi Elliot 👋 I watched this with interest, and I read all the comments. I think you did this in a very unbiased way, and I commend you for that. I would, however, have noted that Sydney has a transport fare cap for adults and children and once that's reached all subsequent travel is free across all modes of transport. Pensioners also have a daily cap of $2:50. I believe this puts Sydney way ahead on fares. I otherwise agree with your assessment. I also agree with your free transport zone in Sydney and think it should be presented to TFNSW for consideration. This is far better than my expectations, and you can be very proud of this presentation. Well done Elliot 👏 👍
Great video Eliot nice video I always love all your videos good job ❤❤❤
I love the Melbourne trams and the free city loop, however the trains are definitely subpar to Sydney’s - this is also evidenced in ridership numbers.
Sydney’s new metro leaves Melbourne in the dust. A city of 5 million without an underground is terrible by global standards. The fact that Sydney’s is soon to be extensive using the latest driverless technology means Sydney is a 21st Century public transport city, as opposed to Melbourne’s exceptional 20th Century public transport.
I am also writing this on a Sunday night on a regular, clean and fast service I just caught from the Sydney Domestic Airport using a Visa card for payment. This is unheard of in Melbourne.
Lastly the ferries - the absolute most spectacular public transport system in the planet. This is something so rare only a few select cities on the planet come close.
Sydney doesn't even have a proper tram network. When you can get to Bondi Beach and Balmoral Beach by tram, then you can say that Sydney has 21st century transport.
I understand the emotional appeal of ferries, but they're not an efficient mode of transport.
@@JohnFromAccounting Wow that's your answer? Sydney does not have a proper Tram Network? You really think that Melbourne has 21st Century Transport. The majority of our Tram Network operated by High Floor Trams from the 70's and 80's?
Just compare what their new Western Suburbs will have regards to what Melbourne's have? Yeah exactly. It is about time we Melbournians admit that Sydney's especially their rail transit is far, far superior to ours.
You didn’t include other modes of transport, and mostly mentioned rail, so I wouldn’t say this is a comparison of transport, but more train networks. Also, NSW TrainLink does have electric trains, services to Newcastle, Lithgow, Kiama?
I understand what you mean, I'm looking at doing other modes in future videos. :)
@@tsetstransport Nice
When he was talking about NSW TrainLink he was referring to Regional services, not Intercity
@@ccntrainkidIntercity is still regional, and TsetsTransport mentioned Sprinters which only run to Seymour and occasionally other nearby towns/cities which are around the same length as the “intercity” network in NSW. NSW definitely wins over Victoria in that the Intercity as they are electrified and comfortable. Although the long distance regional is probably better in Victoria. In my opinion, TsetsTransport could’ve made two separate categories.
Also, I was wondering where you get your photos from as I see many content creators like you with high quality pictures for thumbnails and in videos but I don’t know where you get them from as the ones on google are very pixelated. Thanks in advance😊
Great vid! Love it!
im ready for all the kids in the comments to start fighting over which city is better.
lmao, i'm a melbournian so i'm biased towards victoria (obv) but i do admit, Frequency on almost every mode of travel here is goddamn terrible. very much if you're talking about the 901,2 and 3 since those are the longest bus routes in the state.
Melbourne for me lol
Tf I thought you said you hate Elliot?
Sydney 9.5 out of 10 cause of delays but for Melbourne I'm going to say aloughough the frequency isn't fine but I reckon maybe what would happen If Brisbine trains had the same logo as Sydney trains. but nosies of melbourne
Am a kid and can confirm, Sydney shits on Melbourne.
@2:50, what station is that in Sydney? Tahtat's a Tangara pulling in, correct?
I mean Millenium.
I think that's Olympic park
good video!when you said the hcmts have trouble with their buttons, its because the siemens and xtrapolis trains, when you press the button whenever its close to arriving and do it until they opens the door it works BUT for HCMT, it yapps for several seconds!😂
Cool video! You forgot about the Intercity network in NSW, that runs (relatively) frequent electric services to Newcastle, Wollongong and the Blue Mountains, and some diesel services in the Southern Highlands and the Hunter.
I was only mentioning proper Regional trains, services out to Lithgow, Newcastle, Kiama and Port Kembla are considered intercity, so they weren’t mentioned. Thanks for watching!
@@tsetstransportThe intercity lines are just frequent, electrified regional rail. Regional just means the ‘country’, as in outside of Sydney/Melbourne. It’s got nothing to do with what they want to name the train networks
@@gmponza Exactly what I meant and said but ok..?
@@tsetstransportno it’s not, you said the intercity network is not proper regional rail when… it is?
@@gmponza I’m not arguing, to me, the intercity network are only the rail lines that go around 2 hours out of Sydney. I believe the Southern Highlands Lines, Northern NSW, and Western NSW lines are Regional to me.
Pre- Covid I did a Sydney/Melbourne comparison between Wynyard and Parliament in the evening peak hour, both stations being the last before their lines headed into the suburbs. Despite claims that double deckers were too slow to load, in actual fact the time difference was only a few seconds. Because the Melbourne trains were packed, time was lost as more and more people tried to cram aboard. The Sydney trains quickly swallowed up a lot more people, and there were many less standees. So the Sydney DD trains could remove a lot more people from each station, taking no longer to board, and could run similar headways to Melbourne. Melbourne did get a 4 car train a lot like a Tangara but it had to be coupled to a Comeng requiring the DD to be ‘dumbed down’ to work electrically connected compatibly with the Comeng and this was the cause of many failures. Eventually Melbourne gave up. One feature of Melbourne trains to increase capacity is having 2+2 seating instead of 3+2. No wonder since Covid many commuters prefer to drive and PT patronage is down. Who wants to stand after a long day at work?
I always felt that Sydney's trains loaded faster, despite many saying they didn't. I'm hoping with Melbourne's new trains they can have more seating as well as standing room, as already seen on the X'Trap 2.0. Thanks for leaving your opinion on the topic! :)
pt patronage in melbourne isnt 'down' because commuters are prefering to drive. its because more people are working from home, this is the general trend across australia, and the world.
That means we need higher frequency in Melbourne. Fortunately, the metro tunnel should help address this.
@@tsetstransport more seating??? Ha ha ha! The “High Capacity” is partly from having 2+2 seating instead of 2+3 so that more cattle can stand in the aisles.
@@fjeoijweiojfweio8212 Working from home most certainly is a factor but while public transport usage is down, a few reports I have seen state that roads are just as jampacked as ever. It would not just be public transport users who are working from home.
I'm wondering if it would be better in the section comparing frequency, if it would have been better to compare from the main city station. I don't know much about Sydney, but all Melbourne trains (well most except Vline) go to and from Flinders Street. So maybe comparing frequency at Flinders Street? Or Central? In Sydney?
Also we have to see how the HMCT frequency affects Melbourne trains when the Melbourne metro tunnel opens next year.
But I will deduct a point for how they STILL haven't updated the Myki system so we can use our credit cards.
Hopefully this will be rectified soon
I would've picked stations with the same population densities and similar uses. Like maybe Redfern vs Nth Melb. Two stations on the outskirts of the city, major interchange. But i think Sydney would win considering all lines have at least a 15 minute frequency off peak
In terms of accessibility, I think melbourne actually wins that one as all of their stations are accessible (except Heyington apparently lol)
It was only since I had Wayfinding apart of that segment that Sydney won but I can see possibility in Melbourne having better accessibly.
@@tsetstransport ? I'd say Melbourne has more clear (or at least the same level of clarity) wayfinding.
@@Soccera0It’s definitely close to Sydney but I just believe it is a little more simple and easier to read in Sydney upon comparing way finding signs, don’t get me wrong, Melbourne already has great wayfinding.
@@tsetstransport I can agree that Sydney has easier to understand signage, however I prefer Melbourne's approach of giving out more information like the platform number. It probably comes down to personal preference, and I'd agree with you on the other things so I guess the winner of the competition just comes down to if you prefer simpler signs that are easy to understand or more complicated signs that have more information, and are therefore harder to intuitively understand.
@@Soccera0 I can see where you're coming from, one thing to also remember is that this video is only on 6 topics and there's a chance that Melbourne may be better than Sydney if you add all topics together.
One area that I never see brought up at all is the acceleration on the trains of the two cities. Suburban trains in Melbourne have acceleration around 1.2m/s/s (4.3km/h/s), where as Sydney Suburban trains tend to accelerate at only 0.8 m/s/s (2.8km/h/s) which is slower than Melbourne's Diesel VLocity regional trains.
Interesting, I never knew that! I'm working on some more Melbourne videos now so I will look into that for sure! :)
the Vlocities feel like they struggle to accelerate at all. and you're telling me the sydney trains are even worse at it? damn
@@bionicseaserpentit's harder to make bilevel trains that accelerate as fast. (Though I'm sure it's been done somewhere)
Melbournes trains are single deck so it makes sense
that's one of the main drawbacks of double-deckers, they take longer to accelerate and longer to brake
Another reason u forgot is that the sydney train network has connections while melbournes network is radiall. For example the bankstown line and leppington line meet at cabramatta, which allows transfers.
And Metro will make it even better
I think it's strange not to cover the Melbourne tram network. There are plenty of suburbs and transit corridors that are served by trams where trains are currently unviable. This connects the inner suburbs quite extensively compared to Sydney, where living somewhere that doesn't have a train line means having to suffer the bus at best. In the wealthy areas, Melbourne has much better connectivity. This would include Toorak, Hawthorn and Malvern. By comparison, Sydney's wealthy areas, including Mosman, Balmain and Vaucluse, only offer buses and are significantly less accessible by transport.
That is a lot to do with Geography. Willing to sink the boot into Sydney whilst not acknowledging that our tram system does not cover swathes of Melbourne and 2 our bus network sucks.
I mean you trot out buzzwords like connectivity without giving examples.
Give it up , John. Sydney is far superior to Melbourne when it comes to PT.
Video should be renamed “Which city has better trains” it only compared rail networks, ignoring Bus, Ferry, and Trams
You forgot that Sydney's Intercity fleet also has V-sets and Oscar trains which are electric
I did not - the topic was REGIONAL rail, not intercity rail...
@@tsetstransport oh
Great video, Melbourne (& Victoria) v Sydney (& NSW/ACT) is a great topic, and it's a very subjective topic to cover each have pros and cons and both networks are consistently changing.
I live (currently) in Victoria and so I'm going on my own personal experience, timetables (especially regional town buses) can certainly can be improved.
And I hate trying to open the doors on the HCMT as well.
Both networks are very equal in comparison ti each other, but for me it's the Melbourne (& Victoria) for 2 reasons, the fares (hands down) and the Free Tram Zone
They really need to fix the HCMT doors.
Well you are being incredibly biased. I am from Melbourne and if you look at it objectively, Sydney's network is far superior.
To say that for e.g. Melbourne's rail network is equal to Sydney's is the biggest load of shite imaginable.
Can confirm the cost or riding a Melbourne train or tram under 10km is just outrageously priced. Bring back the zones!
From a Melbournian that’s been to Sydney 6 times:
1. Our new signs are way better than the old IMO, i do like the fact that Sydney’s colours match the mode of transport.
2 & 3. Double deckers are unique (Tangara - my favourite) along with reversible seats, you gotta be patient with the HCMT doors bc they’re touch sensitive while others are physical. I found a good bit of Sydney’s trains vandalised especially with the Tangara fleet.
4 & 5. We need to adopt Mastercard ASAP which is possible from 2025 bc Myki is due for an overhaul. I also hate the fact that you can’t take a V/Line train from Dandenong to Richmond for example bc it’s set down only.
6. You guys have better off-peak frequency along with express services on most lines, we have to deal with stopping all stations due to most lines having 2 tracks instead of 4.
Sydney wins it for me. Melbourne has a great tram network, but Sydney's railways are just a cut above in terms of station and rail infrastructure. 🇦🇺
Completely agree.
One is hometown the other visit
If you live next to a station and you need to commute, then your perspective makes sense. If you want to go to the popular shopping streets on the weekend, Sydney doesn't offer much in comparison.
@@JohnFromAccounting What? Your comments are getting more and more desperate. Do you work for the DOT?
Oh a major shopping centre like Chadstone is only served by in the main buses with incredibly poor frequencies.
You might not know that Melbourne has Ferry Public Transport but you have to pay a ticket because it's not myki supported but it still counts as PTV since the goverment owns it.
Yeah comparing the Westgate Punt to Sydney Ferries is like comparing a 50cc moped to a Ferrari
I am currently living in Melbourne and have caught the Sydney trains before, the Sydney trains overall are.much more user friendly.
Amazing video, one small thing i feel like this video neglects to mention is the range/distance each network has with Melbourne being a clear winner in that aspect. Other then that i really enjoyed all the points that were made!
I am confused by that one. Explain.
@@mjcats2011 Sydney's suburban rail network only has 170 stations and eight lines across 369km worth of track. Melbourne's suburban rail network has 221 stations and 15 lines across 998km of track.
@@WizardOfFrogs 998km well that is a lie.
17 lines over 405km of track. Sydney's is better and will be even more because they are building a proper Metro system.
@@WizardOfFrogs Melbourne has 430km of system length, not 998. And 'lines' don't really matter. They're just a stopping pattern. If Melbourne actually had through running trains it would be halved.
You should do a video comparing their projects like MM1 & the metro in sydney’s city centre. Also I do generally agree with you but accessibility & wayfinding should’ve been a draw imo as maybe it’s just me but Melbs is very easier to understand and pictograms are better. Either way I see Melbourne winning if this were to be done in 10 years (hopefully we have MM2 and more duplication on the hursty line).
It also helps the TfNSW uses shorter codes like T1, T2, T3, ect, while Melbourne uses abbreviations like PKM, BEL & SUY. While it references the destination of the lines, it’s harder to remember.
just a thought, but I was wondering whether scoring each of the six categories out of 10 and then count up each cities tally for a final overall number out of 60 would give a more accurate comparison?
Thanks for sharing this interesting video. I do feel as more level crossings are removed, Melbourne's train service frequencies may improve. Also, on Melbourne's suburban railway stations, there are machines that give real time audio announcements of times of the next few trains coming just with the press of a button. I think that Melbourne would win with the trams over Sydney's light rail, simply because Melbourne has a much larger tram system. That being said, back in the 1930's Sydney was claimed to have the second largest tram system in the world, only beaten by London UK at the time. The only problem I see with the Sydney double deck trains is that the elderly and disabled are confined to the ends of the carriages, due to the stairs. Also, in Melbourne, with fewer overpasses on the stations, it can be easier changing platforms.
As someone who does both very regularly.. I'm from Melbourne and I love our transport systems.. .. Sydney wins hands down. I don't think we suck but NSW is just better.
Eliot btw if sydney trams were red and melbourne trams are green dat means they are christmas colors!
Sydney trains are really 😎 because There double decker and frequent services are very important and no one wants to wait 30 minutes for there train or even worse 40 but I do also like Melbourne and especially there fares
Now do one for Brisbane vs Perth vs Adelaide!
11:45 this is because the Hurtsbridge line having single track, which puts congestion on the, so that is the you can see Hurtsbridge and Eltham, they both on the same line, but hurtsbridge is the complete line while Etham is not the line but part of Hurtsbridge due to congestion on current infrastructure which should be improved later on in time
Is either really “better”?
Different yes, but that’s what we love about them.
Melbourne up til 20 years had daylight between it and Sydney. Now the tables have turned -Sydney wins hands down. Have you tried to catch a tram in the Free Tram Zone in Melbourne without feeling like a sardine?
4:25 Holy crap the Tset Sorry Must Hurt You TsetsTransport
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I think it is also a little important to talk about how Sydney actually has public regional rail lines to other states (Brisbane and Melbourne) unlike Melbourne.
I can understand where your coming from, that can be something to review in a future video. :)
Hey Vline goes to Albury, that's technically in NSW, lol.
@@seltox6320 Lol, I’m calling my lawyers now, going to start a boundary dispute.🤣
VLine run services to NSW.
@@Soccera0 Technically, but it’s only 2 km over the border.
Yay it's out!
One point I would like to make is that Sydney Trains and NSW Trains have guards for door operations, whereas Melbourne Trains do not have guards for door operations.
Why didn't TfNSW just buys some velocity train as replacement?
Many reasons that I’m no expert to explain but I’m sure someone will leave a reply on why, plus the Velocity trains don’t give that little Sydney vibe that all trains in Sydney have.
@@tsetstransportLol, so true, the trains gotta have a vibe to it😂
I wondered the same myself, ditto the trams. I'd suggest, in a nutshell, political bs. It's not there isn't an existing standard gauge Vlocity set. I dread what the comfort levels will be like, especially on the long services, such as the interstate services. I already find the XPT quite uncomfortable for more than a couple of hours, though being quite tall doesn't help.
the gauge is different
@@GameHT604 Technically, with a few changes, a new velocity could be fit to standard gauge
Next time you should do Brisbane vs Melbourne
Nah, Brisbane vs Adelaide vs Perth is more suitable.
Brisbane is not comparable to Melbourne or Sydney. Perth is a more appropriate comparison.
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Ok here is my review.
Pros:
Melbourne:
-trains are more accesible
-people are more respectful (people getting on let people getting off get off first.)
-services are easier to understand (my opinion)
Sydney:
-better capacity
-better timetables
-reversible seats
Cons:
Melbourne:
-horrible timetables
-irreversible seats
-doors opened manually by passengers
Sydney:
-limited wheelchair space
-passengers aren’t as respectful (from my experience)
-I couldn’t think of anymore.
When it's 4 degrees on your morning commute, you will be glad that the train doors don't automatically open.
After using PT in Tokyo with no idea how to speak Japanese. This is some low bar. But as a Melbourne resident, Sydney edges out Melbourne.
Edges out! For service Sydney smashes Melbourne.
Surely we talk about buses as well
This is definitely the abridged version of both cities
The train frequencies in Melbourne are all over the place, the Pakenham and Cranbourne lines are part of the Dandenong corridor so inbetween Caulfield and Dandenong, you can catch a train every 10 minutes but to get to Cranbourne or Pakenham its 20 minutes, the Frankston line has the best frequency while the Hurstbridge line (only the section from Eltham to Hurstbridge, not all trains do a whole route) has a frequency of 40 minutes, but if you added the Stony Point line into this, that would take the spot of the worst frequency with a train every 2 hours on the Stony Point line (its a surburban line btw unlike the Geelong line which is part of V/Line)
Thanks for letting me know! I plan on doing this same video in a year from now, plus I’m working on some Melbourne videos now so I’ll definitely look into that. Thanks for watching! :)
@@tsetstransport I'd also say the frequencies on regional trains in Victoria and NSW are pretty mediocre (well excluding the griffith and broken hill lines as they only get 1 train in each direction a week, well i dont know much about the regional services in nsw as im a city nerd lol) except for the more important destinations like Newcastle and Geelong but yeah i had fun watching
Both
u can use for phone to pay in sydney opal is just on top
Building beautifully when he sees this:
Is this a train only assessment because Melbourne has a comprehensive Tram network, the envy of Sydney and all other cities in Australia
Is it?
Wait till the Metro Tunnel opens.
Yeah and? Just compare that to What Sydney and Perth are adding!
as a sydneysider is see this as an absolute win
I am from Melbourne and I agree.
Hi elliot
Melbourne
Why is that?
Ight gg Sydney
It’s looking like Melbourne may win next year… 👀 stay tuned for that video!
@@tsetstransport no edi comeng tho 😢
I thoughts Melbourne train's broke down alot and Melbourne trams got stairs and Disabilities and old people's can't walk up and down trams or trains but Sydney's is the Win and better system then Melbourne.
Yes, that's why Sydney won both trains and accessibility. :)
@@tsetstransport True
Think you need to delve in to what is provided in the way of onboard PID's on both systems, Melbourne has a very legible system on every type of train, whereas those on Waratahs are unreadable from a distance. Also accessibility for passengers on each systems, ie having to deal with stair wells on Sydney trains. Not the easiest to deal with if elderly or physical disability.
Overall a great look at both systems. Look forward to more comparisons in the future.
Sydney vs HK
Similar to LA
People who came from the post
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I didn’t.
And Sydney has an Airport train, unlike Melbourne. Sydney is well deserving of the win!
Just don't bother with this question. Because regardless you still live in this country called Australia and you still better off then 99% of the rest of the world.
even though i agree with most wouldn't melbourne's trains be more efficient as 3 doors per car = faster loading than 2 doors per car and more doors per train: 21/18 vs 16
sydney is better
Sydney trains are extreemly inficent probaly the most inneficeitn suburnban trains in the world. The 2 levels are terrible as they take too long to board and theres like 0 accesability.
Spell check, please!
Melbourne vs Adelaide would slap
The Melbourne property market will go the way of Perth in the 2010s: decline and stagnation.
Who's going to pay a premium for higher taxes, oversupply, an average of 3 protests per day, demographic shift to undesirables, and the highest crime rate in the country?
It's good for homes to be cheaper, and demographic shifts are normal and good but you probably don't care since you call people undesirables
@@fuzzle426 You can't tell me there isn't a certain demographic that makes up a disproportionate amount of crimes in Western countries.
Unrelated to transportation.
@@JohnFromAccounting yeah but I just wanted to add to the depression of your average Melburnian.
@@kingsimba9513 You don't need that comment which is unrelated. Just stick to Public Transport of which Sydney craps all over Melbourne.
I live in neither states but have visited both so I will give my opinion:
Accessibility - Tie - Victorian staff are always ready to help, the other day I witnessed a driver stop his train on the line to go help a passenger who was in need. Sydney also has great service.
Trains - Melbourne - Melbourne I would argue has better trains, Sydney has there K & V sets (Ks built 1981 & Vs Built 1970-1989) and Melbourne has there comengs & N set (Comeng 1981-1984 & N set 1981) and Sydney has the new trains same as Melbourne, even with the older sets being built around the same time in both states I would argue Melbourne ones are more kept after and comfier than Sydney’s.
Cleanliness - Sydney - I have to give this to Sydney because there stations are more looked after and clean.
Fares - Tie - I give this a tie due to Melbourne having cheaper fares… But in Sydney you can tap in with credit/debit card.
Regional Rail - Tie - Melbourne they have Cafe Cars. They also have services more comfier and Easier to access, but Sydney has interstate services, V/Line has that but by bus. So I recon it’s a tie.
Frequency - Tie - Even with services taking a while on Victorian lines, often you can get to one place by multiple rail lines, say I need to get to Collingwood. I could get either an Elthan, Mernda or Hurstbridge line train there, generally arriving every 5-20 minutes, Sydney is snapping at Melbourne’s heels and will take this place soon.
That ends as:
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Better Traiins? The XTraps are utter cheap garbage. And Frequency, Sydney wins hands down.
you don't evenn have to explain accessibility in Sydney because thats how good it is
But sydney is hardest to make friends because people don't talk
Do you know the thing that I hate about Melbourne’s transport system it’s because you have to travel with a Mikey card not credit cards or even with single ticket you may you that’s stupid hey
Melbourne is better
ok
Why?
No Melbourne transport is better there is x’trapolis 2.0
I didn't count that train as it hasn't entered service yet.
im a melbournian and even i disagree
@@transportfanaussie lmao same x'crap 2 is probably worse
@@Comeng_Upon watching tours of the X’Trap 2.0, I must say I’m very impressed and definitely think that when those trains enter service that they will claim the win for its trains.
@tsetstransport maybe for everyday commuters in ptv but Melbourne trainspotters will get quite mad at the replacement of the rest of the comeng fleet
Open crap Melbourne crap Sydney is better
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