DIY Carbon Felt Heater | Burns Forever Without Changing Out The Wick
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- A carbon felt wick is the key to this system and will burn forever without the need to change it. The vegetable oil it burns can be used oil and can cost nothing if sourced from local restaurants. This will burn for the entire night in my greenhouse and keeps the temps above freezing.
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Instead of using a full-size drill bit to make the hole in the top, use a center punch to mark your hole and then use a step bit. They are designed to cut through sheet metal nicely. Cheers! Also: Credit to Robert Murray-Smith for the carbon wick.
Wind a piece of thread round the wick it makes it easier to get into the pipe.
Add a steel mesh mantle over it and a shiny stainless reflector curved around one half of it. You’ll increase the heat output by many times.
thanks I just checked and Amazon has a mesh mantel just the right size for 14$ LoL
Doesn't that violate the laws of physics?
It will cause the mantle to glow and deliver a lot of IR, energy that would otherwise not be used as effectively.
This is why a lot of old paraffin/kerosene heaters had mantles.
If you add a reflector, you’ll direct the IR forwards.
Look to old heaters.
You can make a mantle from steel mesh.
But it would be best to make that wick thin and a larger circle, then have the mantle just a little bigger, so the flame heats the mantle directly.
No. You won't,,,,,,the flame is doing all the heating...the pots,,mesh,,etc,do nothing
@@quakerorts, EXACTLY, just as the candle- terracotta pot thing is so much BS, you're not going to get more heat out of this than is dumped into the air. That is, nothing is going to multiply the heat. All you can do is collect it in something and radiate it off that larger area.
What did you do when you cut another piece of copper...was it longer or shorter...? What changes did you make?
Sheesh! Everyone is a critic. This is a terrific piece of advice for heating my greenhouse. The fans really do help to circulate the air. Got one on my wood stove now. I just don’t think I could leave it unattended. It’s a good set up for safety I think but a raging fire on the mountain isn’t worth the risk. I’d risk the carbon monoxide vomits first. Thanks for teaching me something. 👍
soak the wick material in the oil before inserting it into the copper tube?
I'd put the wick in from the bottom, since you only need a bit out of the top. 🤔
Also, if you use the vent hood on top of your stove, make sure it vents to the outside!
Some of them only go through a screen/filter and exhaust back into the room.
Thank You, Sir for this awesome idea and everybody be safe.
🙂🥰🕯🪔 Please also get a fire extinguisher🧯🔥 😀
If the vent fan works over the stove … why would you use this heat method instead of an electric heater, 😂😂
It's perfect timing for this video to be suggested. I've been experimenting with this type of hearer and heat sources. I started with making Crisco candles which had a good burn time but a cold flame. Then I made some alcohol candles which doesn't last as long but burns much hotter. I'll have to make a vegetable oil heater to test.
My heater is made of items found at thrift stores. My burn chamber where the candles sit is a stainless strainer with a 2 1/2 inch air gap on top to keep the candles cool. This especially important when using alcohol candles. On top of the air gap there's another stainless strainer the same diameter as the burn chamber turned upside down with a slightly larger stainless strainer upside down on top of it. The top strainer has a 9 inch diameter so I can cook or sit my fan on it. For safety the burn chamber sits in a 3 inch tall Pyrex bowl just incase.
I want to make a alcohol burning stove also, the one with the copper loop on top. My attraction to Crisco and alcohol is it doesn't produce carbon monoxide or so Google says. Google also says vegetable oil doesn't produce carbon monoxide. I'll use a sensor anyway. I want a heat source in my truck for when the motor isn't running.
Alcohol candles? What and how are those?
@@MarianLuca-rz5kk You take glass shot bottles (mine are Absolut Vodka). It needs to be glass to handle the heat. Punch a small hole in the center of the lid for the wick and a smaller hole for the vent. I doubled cotton string 8 times for a wick but use whatever wicking material you have. Fill the bottles with 91% rubbing alcohol to where the neck starts (not to the top). Trim your wick very short to prevent smoke and overheating. I'm not saying this is the best but as for now it's showing promise. I like the temperature alcohol burns at and so do the Top Fuel drag racers. I'm sure there are videos on the subject where you might find better information. Good luck
I have a alcohol stove for cooking in my sailboat. It give about 2000w but is unable to give enough heat to fry a steak, steak just ends getting slow cooked... A 1500w gas burner on the other hand has no problem burning a steak to charcoal lol. The problem is the 2000w alcohol burner heats the room and not the pan...
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Thanks for the info. I will try it. Good wishes !
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Why does the alcohol burner heat the room instead of cooking the steak ?
My Cat would love that Heated Cat Box! 🤣Keep up the great work!👍
Thank you sir.
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The stove fan works with a 'pelter disc' which generates small amounts of electricity when one side of this disk gets hot and the other side is cooler. As long as there is a differential in temps it will continue to produce from a few DC volts to maybe as much as 12 DC volts, in some cases. -- These do not wear out over time and can work for decades when cared for properly. -- Cost? $15 to $45 pending size, # of blades on the fan, etc.
Some JB Weld would easily hold the tube in place.
Some old aquarium filler will work as well as the sand.
You can get the carbon felt in the plumbing section of Home Depot or hardware/plumbing store.
You can use a little alcohol to help the oil get started to wick up & burn easily.
The fan is called a peltier fan.
If you plan to use some heating like this you need a CO detector- be safe rather than sick!
i wouldnt use jb weld, if you are going the epoxy route then use hotcat, exhaust patch epoxy its made specifically for hot work
No ,the flame protector in my home depot is a polybicarbinet treated material, I know because I bought one and it just melted and died.
Olive oil,crisco ,veg. Oil will not cause poison monoxide.
If anyone's curious about the fan it actually is an electric fan
Inside the fan is something called a t e g or thermoelectric generator
Basically it's a piazzo device where if you heat up one side and cool the other side it generates a small electric current That's why this unit has a flat bottom that's the hot side and then it has cooling fins behind the fan those are actually important because the way these work is on temperature delta difference in temperature between the hot and cold side if both sides get hot or saturated it stops working
So the fan not only circulates the hot air but also keeps the cool side of the TEG cool maintaining that delta or difference in temperature between the hot and cold side which means it keeps generating electricity which is just enough to spin that little fan
Ultimately the core problem with these heaters is not a matter of heat it doesn't matter how much temperature you produce it matters how many BTUs you produce You've got to be able to produce enough BTUs to actually heat the volume of space you're trying to heat versus how rapidly that's based cools down to the environment around you so no you won't be heating your house with this :-)
AKA Peltier cooler. Current (not voltage) through the diodes produces a delta t, (hot one one side, cold on the other WITH proper heat sink dissipation).
Inversely, a temp difference between either side of the diodes produce a current. Hence the need for cooling fins behind the fan.
A better design would also blow air around the flame, adding more oxygen, and produce more heat. Mind you, at a higher fuel burn rate. There's No free lunch here.
@@iscovidoveryet7828 bingo except pelture coolers are relatively inefficient at making power That's what a TEG is for or a thermal electric generator it's a bit better at making power from the reverse of this process but a healthier cooler will do it as well just not very well
It has a plate on the bottom that spins the fan. Woodstove fan
@@nerys71 Rip apart any countertop water coolers, single bottle wine chiller or liquid cooled CPU chillers as I have, and you'll find the exact same unit in them as what's powering the fan.
The only dif, is that is that heat (the energy source) is being applied to one side, and the radiated heat being dissipated on the other, which 'creates' the current driving the fan.
And yes, for all practical purposes, as an energy recovery source, they won't be all that efficient cost/watt generated until these things become dirt cheap, but hey...
@@iscovidoveryet7828 look I'm not going to argue with you about this there's a difference between a peltier cooler and a TEG They look the same visually physically looking at them you can't tell the difference but they're made a little bit different
Very interesting. How long of a burn time did you get with that setup?
all these people making these oil heaters need to understand FLASHPOINT. once the flashpoint is reached, the contents explode. around 500 degrees, different oils have different flashpoints
oil flashpoints
alvocado oil (refined) 480-520°F.
Safflower oil 450-500°F.
Canola oil 400-475°F.
Soybean oil 450°F.
Sunflower oil (refined) 450°F.
Peanut oil (refined) 450°F.
Coconut oil (refined) 400-450°F.
be careful people!!!
Okay do a video of it exploding
@wizzz888 - When does the flash happen? Does the flashpoint temperature have to reach the surface of the oil inside the jar ?
Wow -- thank you for adding this info to the comments! 👍
I didn't know this and this would be an important safety tip.
You should make a video demonstrating such.
Now, about kerosene lamps that have been in use for ages. . . .
Yes, be careful, but. . . .
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You are right, but... I guess kerosene lamps might not use copper pipe that conducts much heat to the inside where the fuel is.
I made one of these about a year ogo. Took a few attempts but a handy emergency backup 😊
Good design. You could also use another aluminum tray, like you have under it, to collect the sooth from it. It can be used as pigment for black paint. It's also called as lampblack. Water glass (sodium silicate) is a good heat resistant base for the paints.
Nice pic, although it really doesn't fit in here
Awesome Video, Thanks for the Information. Have a Great Sunday.
Fan is peltier chip (electrical powered). Basically a cluster of thermocouples that generate a current when heated. The electric powers the motor.
Thank you very much..
I fall in love ❤️ with that heat fan😊
Black felt pen makes a good surface to monitor the temperature. Infrared radiant heat. A flat black surface is the desired surface to get a proper reading.
Don't make my mistake of using waste oil burners in the house. You'll get soot everywhere unless you use a chimney to take the fumes outside.
Nice , I like it . Finally a good use for canola oil .
Perhaps you should add a disclaimer to protect yourself.
Good idea! Please protect yourself.
Good idea…
Thanks 👍, I'll watch more of your demos. Have a good new year.
You mentioned two pieces of safely equipment, but there's one more very important one.
A fire extinguisher. 10 pounds minimum.
There's no feeling like 'what could I have done more?'.
When that smoke alarm goes off, you have one chance to stop a fire while it's small enough for the average person to make a difference.
Leave the big stuff to professionals. The first priority is to preserve lives.
Thank you for this information. Good video.
Is one is to use a vent for the heater one must make up the air that is being exhausted outside. It’s best to add a second smaller diameter pipe down low to the outside and bring it up close to the burner. It will supply the burner with cooler dense air that will offset the smoke if the candle does emit a lot of smoke and supply fresh air to replace air exhausted through the vent. Excessive smoke can be a sign that the wick is too far out of the copper pipe and the flame is excessively high. Upon refilling the candle the next day pull the wick back into the pipe by about a quarter of an inch and see if it produces smoke on the next burn. You will lose some heating efficiency by adding a vent pipe to the system.
Thank you for the great ideas...
Over time carbon felt will shrink half an inch, or a full inch per year from the heat. The glowing red means the carbon felt is drying up, and needs more fuel. This heater/lamp will make a great simmer stove. Perfect for baking. :)
Great point!
Correction, fan runs with electric 💡. But what it is in the middle bit there is a heat exchanger so that turns heat to 3 to 5 volt electric so fan has small electric motor basically, lovely little device which in emergency you can even charge your mobile phone by heat. I must say fantastic video. I like it.
So nice to see a kind word. Thank you.
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With it burning so hot, how do you extinguish it if you needed to please
@@myk9roxurinate on directly onto the flame. Its not only a cheap option but also environmentally responsible.
used thin strip of leftover carbon felt from methanol heater diy project, wicked up side of tuna can, and extra virgin oil.... 2 Tbs took 3 hrs to burn , huge heat nice light
The coil alcohol burners are really neat.
Great video. What were the changes you mentioned needing to do with pipe & wick? Is there a best size for the pipe? Thx-
What modifications did you make to copper pipe? Longer?
Also, wondering if large soup pot or xl SS baking pan would work better than flimsy aluminum pan?
Very kool idea, never heard of carbon felt. Thank you
This would be a good repurpose for previously used metal canning caps.
I love how he keeps a bottle of isopropyl right next to an open flame 🔥
Live fast die young and leave clean underwear. 😂
Great video! I hate to ask but how much electricity does the spcae heater add for that space and how much electricity does that fraw for you nightly on winter days?
Nicely done, no potential casualties.
I've actually seen emerg heat videos that had no concern for safety.😵
👍🏽On Presentation Great Ideas and Safety!👍🏽
Thank You for this amazing video!
Well said
Appreciate your information, thank you for going to the effort. It never ceases to amaze me how many want to piggyback on someone who has put the time and effort in, all these people with their 2 cent ideas. If they are so smart, they should make their own video for TH-cam.
💯 agreed. This is an amazing idea as it is and since i can actually see how his method works i think I'd have to put my trust into the way he is demonstrating it.
Thanks for watching!
Spin the felt so that the end flap is not wanting to unwind and bunch up as your inserting into copper pipe!😉
Is there that much difference in this and having 3 or 4 candles burning concerning carbon monoxide? Just curious. Thanks!
i would make 2 tiny vent holes on the lid between the copper tube holding felt and edge of jar, for safety if pressure builds up. also lowering the wick until there's no smoke.
bravo
Interesting.
Great Video! - To share what I learned about those fans- Not all will take that direct high heat. I was shopping for one to adapt to my Mr. Buddy propane heater, when I ran across that fact... So make sure they are high heat protected, or they can burn up to close to the heat source.
Thanks for the info!
Nice idea ZEN GARDEN OASIS. Using easy to source materials is the way to go fella. Maybe you could make a industrial duty heating unit fella ?? Nice work and video too.
My small pot belly Cold Stone works just fine for us😮 plus we have heat tape in the dirt the thermostatically controlled the Keith's dirt about 56° used industrial heat tape McMaster-Carr or Grainger carries it Harley uses any electrical
That is a cool fan. That looks perfect for a small shelter. It's just hard to understand how such a small flame can counter the amount of cold air entering from the vent. It's only in the 20's F now. I understand the concern about CO, but if I crack a window, it will cool it down right now.
Get a Chinese diesel heater. It will get you more heat and you can put it outside and pump the heat inside. It solves all the venting issues. It does use a little electricity, but it will run from a car battery...which could be solar charged. I watched a lot of videos on these type of things and even experimented a little with some candles. I decided two things: I didn't want to freeze to death and I wanted any exhaust to be produced outside. I now have a diesel heater.
@@jaybanks7718 is the battery only used to start the diesel engine, then it runs off the diesel? Is it noisy like most diesels? Thanks.
@@karenbuckner1959 It always uses electricity, but once it starts, it doesn't use a lot. I have ran it more than half a day off of a car jump stater. It's outside, so most of what you get inside the house is the blower noise from the fan moving the air. I'm really picky with noise. It doesn't bother me too much.
Awesome
obviously you cant hook up a vent if you put the bowl on top, or did i miss a step? thank you for sharing this heat option.
If you want to cut easy with your left hand, then you have to use the left-handed scissors.
I see there are many people helping your design. Let me add by saying you can use plumbers felt for a wick going into a canning jar with a hole in the lid. Use a two inch X 1/2 inch copper tube to hold the wick in place. Put some cooking oil into the canning jar and you got it.
I'm quite sure hemp oil and olive oil would also work. Lard too because the heat from the wick would liquify the lard.
I'd like to think the lard would smoke when burning.
Idk what I’m doing wrong but I went through all the steps 3 separate times; used rubbing alcohol as a starter; different size wicks as well as waited till the next day to make sure the canola oil had time to soak the wick. After all that I can’t get it to stay lit for more that 5 minutes or so. Any suggestions?
You should have shoved it into the pipe from the other end. Then you just push it through until the wick pops out the top, and you just let the free end hang down into the fuel oil. 😊
Thanks for the video
Thanks for the tip
@@ZenGardenOasis. Awesome device made two of them and removed all humidity from my basement in roughly 48 hrs
Edited to add 46oz tomato juice can with ⅜in holes drilled into it works well for a short use upright. Drilling pilot holes first makes it a lot easier. I used a ³/¹⁶ bit. My pitbull Angel donated her stainless food and water bowls to my cause. She got brand new ones out of the deal, and her favorite snack, pig ears from Rural King.
If anyone uses the tomato juice can or any can with a label, be sure to remove the label first, or your smoke alarm will make a very loud noise. Ask me how I know.
Excellent!
Thank you! Cheers!
the plants loves the co2
Canola oil can be burned in a home as a oil lamp or heater, as long as it doesn't have more than a couple of these burning per room. They don't put out any more heat or toxins than regular fuel kerosene lamp oil. Some lamp oils contain as much as 20% ethyl alcohol which helps it to light and burn, and reduces smoke and carbon toxins.
I live in the high mountains and kerosene and regular cooking oils will not burn well above 7,000 ft elevation. I stopped trying to use oil lamps and a variety of contraptions like this for heat, and have gone to pure hydrogen (separated HHO, removing the oxygen from the generator) as it will burn where kerosene and LP Gas will not. We have sufficient oxygen in the air, but super low pressure.
I would be interested in some version of this that I could use as a space heater in my garage. I am not too concerned about carbon monoxide as I think there is enough ambient air flow in there. Plus it is a large 2 car garage. But on the subject of venting, I did not exactly understand how you would apply that venting hose in this case. All I can assume is that you would attach it to the top of the canister and use this device without the bowl?
Just buy a drum shaped kerosene heater for a large garage or a rectangular one with reflective mirror behind for just the workshop area. They are about $140 new, but with the high price of kerosene lately they are being tossed out with the trash or sold for $20.
Much less fiddly than this, tip over protection, 30000 or 12000 BTUs instead of 500...much better visible control of the flame.
Smothering a flame in a rig you can't watch is a recipe for CO or Oxygen depletion.
As to a small space, the sand candle with the walmart utensil can over it is pretty good on your table but won't diffuse well. Instead of a bowl, just put a small piece of black iron on top as a heat exchanger. You have to be close to feel that 382F.
A two car garage is pushing it, but ... Chinese diesel heater. There are some videos of them working on a two car garage, but don't expect it to be toasty warm. I'm heating a room that would probably hold one car. It works well enough that I'm OK with it. I was a little disappointed at first, but the room is not very well insulated. Can't really blame the heater on that.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems if you are venting the exhaust it is also convecting all of the created heat through the vent duct system thereby creating a less efficient heating effect?
Infrared radiation is the intended heat output and does not go out the vent.
Do you ever light one candle and think geez, I need to vent this.. ?
Ya it's bullshit people
@@darkfieldcarnivore3928 hey carnivore. at normal temperatures only a small percentage of energy is infrared. the majority of energy goes into the hot air convection current.
@@georgeh8937 Hi. I agree, but this heater is designed to use the radiant infra red energy, hence the reflector.
The fan works true a pellentier ellement makes current and soins a smal engine ;-)
Did you get this idea from Robert Murray Smith TH-cam channel? I've made this kind of forever wick and it works!
Wouldn't it have been easier to feed the carbon felt through the copper *FROM THE OTHER SIDE?*
Also, will this produce more heat than a _"Crisco candle"?_
I mainly use corn oil for cooking, would I be able to use that instead
You want to put a radical still fine mesh used for building preventing rodents and metal lead on top round the jar lid much more heat
That is cool my friend.
Thank you sir…
OK so how warm does the sand get? I think you need to make 2 containers, one with the heat element below and the 2nd full of sand above it so it absorbs the heat and keeps dispersing for hours after the fire goes out.
The fan has a peltier device within I'm guessing 🤔. The fins of the fan is for the cooling effect of the peltier device within 😎.
I've tried things similar to this. Stainless steel bowl works great, cast iron frying pan works better. Cast iron is the best for holding heat and takes longer to cool down.
Good to know!
Can you use used vegetable oil in the heater?
How long does that amount of oil last ?
Or, you could try sharp tin snips to do the cutting. New subscriber.
Great idea thanks for your input. 👍
An inverted clay flower pot may work better than the aluminium untensil holder. or replace the metal bowl with the flower pot.
Only issue with overturned clay flower pot is that after a period of time they start to crack
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Try double elevated clay pots, separated by about an inch (block the hole in the base of the pot)
I have an old hurricane lantern. Could that heat source (combined with a terra cotta landscape pot work?
I would think so.
I saw fire made with this kind of heater. The temperature sourrounding the jar rise to such a temperature that oil start in fire. It can burst the glass of jar first and colapsing jar start a fire. Very dangerous it may be. If you develop something that pyt oil far from heat, or prevent heating the oil in jar it could be more safe and in this case more intersting. In my opinion the weakest point of this construction is risk to heat oil to temperature wher it ignite fire on it. OR temperature burst the jar and oil soak to sand and start a fire on uncontrolled scale. I saw fire which burn all the house. Idea Is ecellent but need to have more safety features. Maybe har should be dig much more deeper than knot.Or something like that. Non of this kind of experiment not showing how high temperature of oil in jar is after several hours of use. Be AWARE this could be dangerous for your house (Can burn it) or oyur and your family life. Writing this I am still greatful that you show it, but it is fire and fuel - and it could be disastrous!
Exactly.
Why is this guy always making these things for people to burn up there stuff with.
500* is not to be fuc$ed with.
You just won’t be able to do anything with the fire and heat.
Please stop posting these inventions. There shite!
Wet the carbon felt with the oil before puttimg it in to the copper pipe . Should slide in and ready when lighting it .
Hi I just came across your video and if you get this message can you tell me how long can that burn for? I do appreciate your video thank you very much
Depends on the can size and the purity of your fuel. Generally about 5-8 hours with those variables. Cheers.
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How long does this last?
Exchange the metal bowl with a clay pot.
Thank you for the information.
Safety is always number one however keep in mind that this oil won’t burn if it tips over. It’s not like gasoline or alcohol or other flammables
change the cap with other without gasket at bottom. solder the pipe to the new cap and fill the top tiny cup with alcohol then fire the alcohol and this flame will pre-heat the pipe and star burning the oil.
Question how about used motor oil,??? Please respond to
Cold in Michigan. Thank you and GOD bless
Too much smoke and toxic residue
I would call it a thermal fan. I need to find some for my wood stove.
I believe I linked one in the description. 👍
How long does it burn for please
Fireproof regular felt or cotton cloth using a supersatrated solution of borax and table salt ..soke in the solution andallow to dry.
question where would you get one of those fans...
Check description to link
Max Heater use carbon felt wick in an 12 inch length by 6 inch deep. Make an iron box out of air duct. Have an iron tube made from air duct running thru center of box. Wick heats this iron tube and iron tube heats air in room while the nasty stuff goes outside an alluminun dryer vent. Use a rivet gun to assemble the rectangle air vent box . Box has 2 holes on sides for heater tube and one hole on top where alluninum dryer vent goes outside. Tube that passes thru box inside gets red hot. Get a battery operated tiny fan to push very hot air out into room.
Use a carbon wick system you put inside box like you seen in video that uses canola oil.
Use thicker grade material on iron air duct box. Remember to soak wick before you install it. Use proper materials to seal box correctly. ONLY tube inside box gets red hot. The box does not. I had a glass blower person to make the container that holds the wick and oil but you guys could use several of those jars he made and put inside box to heat the iron tube inside.
??? How long would 8 oz. of the oil burn for ?
You should have started from the bottom to push the carbon wick, since that was where the excess was to remain.
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Does the carbon felt actually wick all the liquid up from the bottom of the jar. Does the jar actually empty out completely?
I guess if the jar's lid is very tight, the wick will suck oil until a partial vacuum will form inside that will oppose the pulling up of the oil by the wick.
Can I use denatured alcohol as the fuel in that heater you showed?
No use thick oils
1.Carbon monoxide detector.
2. Smoke detector.
3. Fire extinguisher.
Won't the fan blow the CO away from the vent?
Otherwise, cool project.
Sort of reminds me of Toledo Tourches.
Thanks you sir….I’m searching for the cleanest burning oil that’s reasonable priced. But I want everyone to be safe and make the point about venting and car monox detect. Have a great day.
@@ZenGardenOasis.
Why is carbon monoxide emitted ?
@@MarianLuca-rz5kkopen flame burning oxygen... incomplete burning of "fuel" causes (CO)
@@Hang10boards Thanks.
Loved ur video. How long does it take run.
Depending on candle size in ounces. Burns at a very slow rate. Have a great day.