It seems that the Japanese can't do without the date window and end up compromising the overall balance in design e.g. Seiko Presage. If it's that important to them they should learn to stick it some where nicely.
The dial looks like a throwback to the 90s where everything was faux patina and mixed fonts. It's not that attractive to me but I can see why someone would like it.
I have the blue 3 hander version. I feel this one is too busy with the complications which takes away from the dial and makes it too thick for a dress watch. I love the more premium movement as well. Citizen gives good value for money though as similar seiko movement will be found in more expensive SJE series.
Watch looks great, fan of Citizen watches. Personally would like to see other colors in this type of dial. Not a fan of the sub-dial, but like the power reserve indicator. Wish the watch was at 60 hours of power reserve Vs 40. Also with you on Roman numerals, prefer Arabic numbers. Great review on watch.
Thanks for watching! Agreed, it would be great to see if Citizen can come out with some other colours and even complications. A small seconds like they did with the tsuyosa would be interesting
Excellent review! I'm new to your channel, and enjoyed the content and straightforward delivery. As far as that watch goes, I'm very much in agreement, except that for me the points you raised regarding the Roman numerals, and differing hand sizes on the secondary dials, would probably preclude me from purchasing this model. I'd also prefer if the power indicator and the relatively useless 24 hour sub-dial were each a bit smaller and took up less real estate on the dial. Especially since the dial is the star attribute of the watch. I'm less concerned about the 21 mm L2L.
Citizen makes a gorgeous dial… then covers it all up in unnecessary complications. Same watch, no date, no 24 hour, no power reserve indicator = perfect watch.
I have several citizen watches, including this one, and two grand seiko watches. The dial is great citizens watches provide great value. There really is no comparison whatsoever between a grand Seiko dial and this dial, not even close
True there's been a spate of reviews like this stating that £100 - £250 watches are Rolex or Grand Seiko level. You wonder if the reviewers even understand watch brands. If you've ever held a Rolex or Grand Seiko in your hand you'll know this is simply not the case. It's like saying a Toyota is Rolls Royce level.
Somehow Roman numerals cheapen up a watch. I think it’s because forever it felt like the trick that a cheap watch maker would use to try to make their watch look “fancy”.
I found that changing my Amazon to the Japanese version was a good way to buy some JDM models and have them shipped to Australia otherwise sites like Sakura are great
Great video once more. I'd also like to thank you for your review on the sagz083. I bought it on Sakura recently and it's my most worn watch. It's just feather light and ticks all my design boxes. Thank you! I live in Sydney and would love to make an excuse to visit Japan to get myself a used GS at a decent price. What would be the best way to get a used GS from Aus?
Thank you so much! I'm glad I could help you with finding out about that one. The best way besides going there and looking in person would probably be to use my link in the description and get a 10% discount from buyee ;) Jokes aside, with the exchange rate as it is right now, the prices are pretty good from Japan. As I said in the video, check out mercari and Yahoo auctions as there are a lot of options
I like those as well but the colour of this one in particular stood out to me. As nice as the blue 1060 is, there are a lot of other blue watches out there
@@addicted_to_watches This watch does has a unique hue to it 😉 there're really a lot of interesting JDMs out there, I have my eyes on some Citizen Campanola as well - really interesting layout and designs
if I may, adjust your lighting background setup and use a circular polarizer. Like this, with all the reflections it's hard to watch. Content otherwise good
There aren't any minute markings on the dial so if you want to get an accurate read of the time it kind of is. If they printed a minute track on the dial itself I'd agree with you
Damn , I've been caught out. After 60 odd videos about mostly Seiko watches, I sold my soul to the competition for a quick buck. Nothing gets past you clearly
While I'm contractually obligated to say they are the best movements ever made, they seem fine to me. They are miyotas in that Citizen own miyota. No different to Tudor and kenissi. They tend to have higher beat rates than Seiko but the rotor wobble is what people complain about since it only winds in one direction and spins freely in the other
You would have thought that it was obvious, if you cannot colour-match the date window then do not have a date on such a watch. Finally, JDM products just piss me off and turn me against the company concerned. If I am paying big money then I do not want any hassles if I need servicing or a warranty claim.
The date frame looks ok to me. The date wheel seems to have some kind of mark/texture though. I'm guessing it's intentional and possibly some kind of paper texture/material similar to their washi dials on "the citizen" models
I dislike Grand Seiko comparisons which are not accurate. That’s a nice dial but not GS caliber. It’s super common to make this sort of claim, and while I’m not a GS fanboy, I do own one and can confidently say that even at 10-15k you rarely see competition for the dial and the dial furniture. This watch is a Presage competitor.
you mean to thick at 14 mm…. the case size of 40 mm is inline with the calatrava at 39mm which is the benchmark for a gentleman’s dress watch. the calatrava is just under 9 mm thick
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It’s on Amazon in United States for $690 for anybody who wants to know as of July 2024
Good find!
It seems that the Japanese can't do without the date window and end up compromising the overall balance in design e.g. Seiko Presage. If it's that important to them they should learn to stick it some where nicely.
The dial is gorgeous, but that date window is like: "Here, let me ruin this dial for you!" - Stomp - "There you go".
I feel like it would look quite a bit cleaner with a black date wheel to better match the dial
Too big for most people. I don’t understand why companies insist on making dress watches more than 39mm
It could be a restriction because of the size of the movement itself within the case for this watch
I do prefer the way the Seiko sarw011 handled the date with a subdual pointer date
It would stand out a lot less than way
Citizen is literally like oh shit they like this? Let's give them more
If they want to release more silver leaf dials I'm all for it
2:47 I 100% agree, I've bought several pre-owned watches from dealers in Japan and the condition is just spectacular and borderline new
They really under-promise and over-deliver when it comes to condition
100% agreed . Bought a citizen chronomaster from "the closer" on chrono24. Watch was ranked as "fair" got the watch and it looked BRAND NEW!
I bought a The Citizen Chronomaster pre-owned & it's like new. Best deal I ever had using Buyee.
Without the roman numerals, I'd definitely pull the trigger. Beautiful nonetheless
I have many Citizen watches, and also several Grand Circus
The dial looks like a throwback to the 90s where everything was faux patina and mixed fonts. It's not that attractive to me but I can see why someone would like it.
I have the blue 3 hander version. I feel this one is too busy with the complications which takes away from the dial and makes it too thick for a dress watch. I love the more premium movement as well. Citizen gives good value for money though as similar seiko movement will be found in more expensive SJE series.
If they made this colour dial as a 3 hander I'd be all over it
Man, that dial is awesome looking. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for watching!
Citizen watches are very very clean under the crystal, very less to no dust!! and priced competitively
Yes no dust! Unlike some other watches I've looked at in previous videos 😅
Watch looks great, fan of Citizen watches. Personally would like to see other colors in this type of dial. Not a fan of the sub-dial, but like the power reserve indicator. Wish the watch was at 60 hours of power reserve Vs 40. Also with you on Roman numerals, prefer Arabic numbers. Great review on watch.
Thanks for watching! Agreed, it would be great to see if Citizen can come out with some other colours and even complications. A small seconds like they did with the tsuyosa would be interesting
Excellent review! I'm new to your channel, and enjoyed the content and straightforward delivery. As far as that watch goes, I'm very much in agreement, except that for me the points you raised regarding the Roman numerals, and differing hand sizes on the secondary dials, would probably preclude me from purchasing this model. I'd also prefer if the power indicator and the relatively useless 24 hour sub-dial were each a bit smaller and took up less real estate on the dial. Especially since the dial is the star attribute of the watch. I'm less concerned about the 21 mm L2L.
Thanks for watching and glad you enjoyed it!
Citizen makes a gorgeous dial… then covers it all up in unnecessary complications.
Same watch, no date, no 24 hour, no power reserve indicator = perfect watch.
A 3 hand, no date version of this dial would be 👌
@@addicted_to_watches I agree 100% 👍
Could also be thinner that way. 14.4mm is way to thick.
I have several citizen watches, including this one, and two grand seiko watches. The dial is great citizens watches provide great value. There really is no comparison whatsoever between a grand Seiko dial and this dial, not even close
True there's been a spate of reviews like this stating that £100 - £250 watches are Rolex or Grand Seiko level. You wonder if the reviewers even understand watch brands. If you've ever held a Rolex or Grand Seiko in your hand you'll know this is simply not the case. It's like saying a Toyota is Rolls Royce level.
Beautiful watch! Love the dial, but i think i would never invest because of the date window and/or the case.
Somehow Roman numerals cheapen up a watch. I think it’s because forever it felt like the trick that a cheap watch maker would use to try to make their watch look “fancy”.
100%
Looks good but I don’t like the date window and the height of 14mm
With the height coming partially from the domed crystal, it's not as bad as it sounds on paper. That said it's by no means a thin watch either 😅
I found that changing my Amazon to the Japanese version was a good way to buy some JDM models and have them shipped to Australia otherwise sites like Sakura are great
That's a good option too
The XII and inverted VI is very much like IWC Portofino
Gorgeous dial
Without the complications this would be awesome!
Agreed!
Reminds me of the Seiko Prestige dial
Yep, definitely. I think Citizen were really going after the presage line with this model
what a dial
Good looking watch and a great review,btw.👍🏼
Thanks for watching!
Great video once more. I'd also like to thank you for your review on the sagz083. I bought it on Sakura recently and it's my most worn watch. It's just feather light and ticks all my design boxes. Thank you! I live in Sydney and would love to make an excuse to visit Japan to get myself a used GS at a decent price. What would be the best way to get a used GS from Aus?
Thank you so much! I'm glad I could help you with finding out about that one. The best way besides going there and looking in person would probably be to use my link in the description and get a 10% discount from buyee ;) Jokes aside, with the exchange rate as it is right now, the prices are pretty good from Japan. As I said in the video, check out mercari and Yahoo auctions as there are a lot of options
Citizen is doing better than Seiko at the same price point. I will take this any day over a Presage.
I think Seiko got too comfortable and stopped trying so hard while also increasing their prices. This left room for Citizen to come in
The dial is absolute beauty but overall the watch look too busy.if it was simple like grand seiko it would be a no brainer watch
The nb1060 is much closer to that
Prefer the simpler version of this line, as they highlight the silver leaf dial pattern more and are less busy :)
I like those as well but the colour of this one in particular stood out to me. As nice as the blue 1060 is, there are a lot of other blue watches out there
@@addicted_to_watches This watch does has a unique hue to it 😉 there're really a lot of interesting JDMs out there, I have my eyes on some Citizen Campanola as well - really interesting layout and designs
Nice. I've been keen on one of those as well but haven't found one for the right price. The night sky dials looks really good
@@addicted_to_watches I think the BU0020 ones might be more affordable some how, saw some cheaper ones on Chrono24
if I may, adjust your lighting background setup and use a circular polarizer. Like this, with all the reflections it's hard to watch. Content otherwise good
Thanks for the suggestions. I will look into them
The Roman 4 seems to be wrong… isn’t it supposed to be IV??
It's actually intentional. It's called a watchmakers's or clockmaker's 4
www.fratellowatches.com/watchmakers-four-uncertain-origins/
Is it gray dial ?
It changes between grey, blue and green depending on the light and angle
The chapter ring is absolutely redundant
There aren't any minute markings on the dial so if you want to get an accurate read of the time it kind of is. If they printed a minute track on the dial itself I'd agree with you
Yahoo and macari did you say for second hand options?
Yes, those would be my recommendations for the best places to look
Roman numerals ruined this beauty
Sad but true
Dial looks good but what about the lume?
I guess since this is more of a dressy watch, Citizen didn't think it needed lume
Wha? Some superlume should have been applied...at least on the hands for the price
You should tell that to Grand Seiko as well :')
😅
It was existing in the year of 2021
That still feels recent to me :')
quite think and the roman plus power reserve ruin it. too bad
I'm ok with the power reserve but I don't know what they were thinking with those Romans. No one is asking for them 🤣😭
Make them smaller please!
It would improve the watch so much overall
Could the 24 hr dial be used as a GMT?
Unfortunately not. It matches the time of the main hands and can't be adjusted separately
Citizen sure is paying a lot of small time watch TH-camrs to praise their new watches.
Damn , I've been caught out. After 60 odd videos about mostly Seiko watches, I sold my soul to the competition for a quick buck. Nothing gets past you clearly
@@addicted_to_watches Well, guess you better start making more Citizen watch videos then.
There may or may not be one in the queue coming soon 🫣🫣🫣
Snark aside, how do you feel about the Citizen movements? Aren't they all just miyotas?
While I'm contractually obligated to say they are the best movements ever made, they seem fine to me. They are miyotas in that Citizen own miyota. No different to Tudor and kenissi. They tend to have higher beat rates than Seiko but the rotor wobble is what people complain about since it only winds in one direction and spins freely in the other
its a shame the crystal aint anti-glare enough
The camera definitely makes it look worse than in person but I do wish it was a bit better
Ситизен намного круче!
You would have thought that it was obvious, if you cannot colour-match the date window then do not have a date on such a watch.
Finally, JDM products just piss me off and turn me against the company concerned. If I am paying big money then I do not want any hassles if I need servicing or a warranty claim.
Weren't you confused by the horrible finish of the date frame - all scratched and poorly finished?
The date frame looks ok to me. The date wheel seems to have some kind of mark/texture though. I'm guessing it's intentional and possibly some kind of paper texture/material similar to their washi dials on "the citizen" models
Wish they'd do this in Arabics
The same layout with Arabics (something like the vacheron fiftysix) would be pretty interesting I think
And the price aswwll 😅😂
Full retail price is definitely getting up there
’’but’’
I dislike Grand Seiko comparisons which are not accurate. That’s a nice dial but not GS caliber. It’s super common to make this sort of claim, and while I’m not a GS fanboy, I do own one and can confidently say that even at 10-15k you rarely see competition for the dial and the dial furniture. This watch is a Presage competitor.
Grand Seiko has signed(Logo) crown, Citizen has not.
Good thing I didn't go with my original video title "This crown is grand Seiko level" ;)
Haha@@addicted_to_watches
Dial stunning. Everything on dial is a holy mess. Sponored means this is a commercial. Worthless.
Cool, thanks for watching
Looks like etched concrete.
It does a bit! Throw in a couple of garage oil stains and you've got this dial
Not even seiko level, let alone grand seiko
Maybe Casio level then :'/
way too big for a classic watch
I guess they want to also cater for the burly man with larger than average wrists too
you mean to thick at 14 mm…. the case size of 40 mm is inline with the calatrava at 39mm which is the benchmark for a gentleman’s dress watch. the calatrava is just under 9 mm thick
patek, Frederique Constant both have 21 mm lug widths. VC , Rolex, Omega usually use 20 mm… I own GS snowflake and love it
Grand Seiko level😂😂😂 Seiko is SHIT!
Awful, the dial is too packed, and that look a bad orient star...
Unfortunately Orient do have a tendency to mix Roman numerals and baton markers as well :')
Only idiots buy a Seiko!
Hope you haven't seen most of my other videos then 😬😬😬😬😬
This is a nope. Roman numerals, power reserve indicator. It is a absolute mess
A complete dog's breakfast
@@addicted_to_watches but it has a great dial👌🏼
Kein Interesse an gesperrten Kanälen 👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
Video starts at 04:20
These youtubers wasted so much of our time with their nonstop yapping
Thanks for the feedback. I just like to provide some context but will take that into consideration going forward
What’s with the hand gestures so gay
Lol
Dreadful
Thanks