@juliodelgadillo8510 slow down, you're clearly a newbie jumping head first and overspending. Trust me, in 5 years you will have wished you saved up and studied and bought 5 nice watches rather than 15 okay watches. I did the same thing with many hobbies when I was young. Years ago I did the same thing with knives and guns and pens and other man hobbies. In each thing, I wish I would have spent the same amount of money but on like 1/3rd of the number of things I bought, if that makes sense. Lol, I did that same thing with jiu jitsu gis and boxing gloves when I first got into BJJ and muay Thai 10 years ago. I have like 20 gis but I wish I would have 7 very nice ones instead of like 2 very nice ones and a bunch of medium level ones. Same with gloves, I wish I had like 2 pairs of custom Winning brand gloves rather than 8 pairs of Fairtexs and other mid level brands. Stop where you're at and don't buy another for at least a year. One thing I've learned in every hobby I've been involved in is that your tastes mature and change as you continue. Things I thought were cool in the first year of the hobbies I eventually found to be corny or brash or crude a few years later.
@user-oe9mn8uw3c because if you continue in the hobby your taste will mature and develop and you will regret moat of the amateur purchases you made and wish you had fewer, better pieces instead of more, lower quality ones. Unless you're so rich that money almost doesn't matter, then do whatever you want. But most of us are only going to be able to spend so much money in a lifetime on any given hobby. So if I'm going to spend $10k on watches in my lifetime, I can tell you from experience with many other hobbies that most people will have preferred to spread $10k across 2-5 pieces rather than 20 cheaper pieces. The same is true for me and almost everyone I know who continued enjoying things like watches, pens, knives, firearms, etc.
So many brands who make more affordable integrated bracelet watches (CW, Tissot, Citizen, Direnzo etc) are missing a trick IMHO by not making 38mm versions. Its probably the perfect size for this type of watch for a lot of wrist sizes yet no one seems to have made one yet?
Yup, very few men look good with a >40mm watch. Too many little dudes thinking they're big dogs. I don't like big watches and I'm 6'1" and 220lbs. A 42mm watch looks silly, not cool or elegant or handsome.
Citizen has been a major player in the watch world since the 70s - it's just been overshadowed by Seiko and Casio, but as far as I'm concerned, Citizen beats them both in many aspects (not all) and it was the first watch I ever purchased as a teenager 20+ years ago. This new release is no different, it punches WAY above its weight class and it's finished well. And since I'm here I'll also remind folks how Citizen was also the very FIRST watch brand to implement and utilize titanium (I'll stay away from mentioning Eco-Drive because we're talking automatics) cool video Max 👍
The PRX is obviously still the benchmark for an "affordable" integrated bracelet sports watch. There has yet to be another that has not been compared. I have tried to replace mine but, it has achieved greatness in a segment that, seemingly, can not be overcome...
Citizen killed it with this, but the PRX case and bracelet are simply perfect. It's still the best for the price, especially the quartz model, it's unbeatable.
@@yaboiyosef7640 If anything prx is an oysterquartz homage - they have almost identical case shape. The only two things similar between prx and royal oak is the 'integrated' part of integrated bracelet and the waffle dial
Love the dial but hate the bracelet. I have had my PRX powrmatic 80 for over a year . It is worn every week with pleasure. I will get a CW 12 and give my prx to my grandson sometime in the future. Citizen is working their way out of mall watch hell with their new automatics. Enjoy your reviews.
I bought three Tsuyosas on vacation just a couple of weeks ago on a cruise. One on the ship (Tiffany), one in Turks and Caicos (green) and one in the Bahamas (yellow). It became a *quest* to find different colors (which I posted on WC), and the reasonable price made it easily doable. These watches are a bargain and a stylish melange of PRX and OP. Love 'em!
My wife gifted me a Tissot PRX ice blue 35mm quartz on our 6th wedding anniversary. It fits perfectly on my 6.5 inch wrist. If citizen makes small seconds with about 35-37mm dial, it will fit majority of wrists.
I have blue tsuyosa and wife has green 35mm quartz prx, I like tsuyosa so much more. But she loves hers prx, so they are both equally good watches I suppose.
I own both a Tsuyosa (ice blue) and a PRX (dark blue), and while the Citizen is a really nice, everyday watch with great finishing and a beautiful bracelet, after almost a year it still didn't "click". Everytime I wear my PRX, I just can't stop looking at it. The stunning bracelet that shimmers in the light, the sunburst dial that ranges from an almost black tone to a breathtaking navy blue, the handset, the indices.... I feel like to me, the overall package is more coherent and pleasing for the eyes than the Tsuyosa's. Again, just my 2 cents. But it's interesting to see other perspectives and opinions - that's what's so great about our hobby after all! 🥰
Exactly. I was gonna say the tsuyosa is cool. It never killed the prx tho, Tissot literally created a hall of famer with that watch, not sure if citizen made a hall of famer too tho...
PRX is king. The fact that these brands are trying to make competition with it is proof of that! This watch is nice but the PRX (Especially the 35mm) is perfect. Thin, tapering bracelet, solid. And if you really don’t like the plastic in a mechanical movement, save yourself the $300 and get a quartz one! Go gold for that budget Vacheron 222 feel 🤤
Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from MaMaCoo I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.
Fingers crossed that they'd actually launch mini versions of this like the prx did. I've long wanted a citizen because of its value for money, but the sizing has always been a turn off for my small wrist
For me this watch is even better and beautiful than the PRX...the dial so simple and minimalist is so perfect...hope citizen start working with more auto-movement pieces..great review
got my 39mm with the white dial on the 3-link "Bader" bracelet watch on amzwatch 3 weeks ago and am loving it to pieces. Absolute fantastic watch that wears super comfortable on my 6.75 inch wrist. Chose the 3-link over the 5-link bracelet for the toolless quick adjustment. Way more comfortable than my Longines Hydroconquest 41 mm.
I have the original Tsuyosa in Tiffany blue and really like it. The 3 things I don't like about it is the limited power reserve, the rather large spaces in between the links on the bracelet, and the difficulty using the small crown that's flush against the case. Considering I paid just under $300, I can't complain. This updated Tsuyosa has a much nicer looking dial, a better movement, and more power reserve. The bracelet looks the same though and the price went up $200. Comparing it to the PRX, I'd have to see them side by side.
I'm not quite convinced I'd pay $200 more for the new version of the Tsu. Losing the micro adjustments and the date functionality would be a bummer especially when a 9000 series movement is not included.
Very good presentation. Fair. Nothing inflated. I have been hearing so many reviewers bashing Citizen, for copying current trends. They do not know for how long has Citizen been making watches and these designs are not anything out of their past catalogues.
This is now my favourite watch channel on TH-cam , such great content and done superbly, well done sir and I got my favourite watch at MaMaCoo， it hasn’t left my wrist for weeks
I'm a microbrand lover and most of my pieces here are moved by Miyota 9015 and 9039, apart from an ETA or Sellita here and there. Great video, thank you very much. Can't decide Gold or Blue...
Hello and thanks for this video, This Citizen "petite seconde" Tsuyosa will be an absolut banger. Since almost three years now, this brand is clearly into an upgrade way. 👍
I think with this model, Citizen is doing a cheaper version of the NC0200-90E "The Citizen". There are several differences including the caliber and finishing. But the Tsuyosa small Seconds is the poor man version of The Citizen, which is not bad at all. On the contrary, Citizen is bringing an accessible version to the general public of one of its more upscale watches.
If this was a 38 or 37mm it'd be perfect for me. I also like a nice small seconds hand, but I think it would be so clean if there wouldn't be a small seconds display. The textured dial would pop better. If they'd release a smaller version I'd consider swapping my 35mm PRX to this (I got 16.7cm wrist and love small watches)
I'd still rather have the PRX. Can you explain why the plastic component in the escapement is an issue without deferring to your own preconceived notion that metal is always better than plastic? Do we have any stats? The exact type of plastic used?
Nobody really has objective arguments about the plastic thing. My only consideration is that evidence suggests that overall the designers at ETA know what to they do (and they know pretty well).
Yes, Citizen is a Japanese wonder, I have Citizen Tsuyosa, but I found its movement to be faster than Seiko movements and it is good that it keeps time more gently than PRX in terms of design, but as I said, the mainspring is fast and Seiko movements work more consistently.
The sub second dial looks like a Zen garden. Like some tiny person raked the sand around the sub dial. I see these are on sale on the Citizen site. I really love the grey dial but it doesn’t have a bracelet as an option😢
Them getting rid of the date complication is a smart move too, I tried the original Tsuyosa and the crown was too much a PITA to change just the date, so having it only be needed to adjust the time makes a big difference imo. Might look at getting this, as I have 7.75 inch wrists and need something a bit dressier!
Good that u have mentioned the synthetic escapement in the Powermatic 80 23 jewels movement, lots of people dont know that. It is an important factor. Luckily, many brands like Certina or Mido are Now using only Powermatic 80, the 25 jewels version, which does not have any synthetic material. Price is of course a factor, while Tissot can offer automatic watches around 650-750EUR with the 23jewels powermatic, Certina and Mido with the 25jewels powermatic offers from 750 and above. Worth the money still imo
I have 2 Tsuyosa's and 3 PRXs. Trust me, PRX is way better than the Tsuyosa. Don't get we wrong, i love them both, that's why i bought them, but the PRX is better
@watchcrunch, why doesnt anyone review the Citizen Series 8 range? It's probably the ultimate watch in terms of spec for it's price. Would love to see a review of the Citizen 83. A budget Grand Seiko if you will. Would be keen to hear your thoughts
Tsuyosa always should have been 36-38mm, but if it had to be 40mm I don't understand why they didn't use a daydate movement in it. Miyota makes a full day date 8 series automatic movement that I've never seen used anywhere except cheap Chinese Rolex Daydate homages. It could have been the perfect movement.
Got myself a small second. Honestly feels so good on the wrist and I love the crown placement, I'm a 24/7 kind of guy, I hate removing my watch. For an automatic watch it is incredible accurate, while the 8322 movement is rated at -20~+40 seconds a day I am currently at +5 seconds a days (so all I need to do is pull out the crown for 15 seconds every 3 days and I'm sorted). I'll have to disagree with you for the night though, I find myself able to still tell the time at 6 in the morning with the watch not being to bright to be distracting while in bed.
Great video, but what do you think about this watch against the prx. They are similar and even if the prx is pretty much better all around I think , is it 2x times better for the price which is doubled? I’m trying to understand if the extra 400euros are worth it or just mainly branding.
FYI - I successfully sized my Tsuyosa I got for this past Christmas and just now moved one link from the front of the buckle to the back for better clasp balance.
Never liked the way the round bezzel of the PRX disrupted the lines of the watch. So I recently got me a green dial 2nd generation D1 Milano automatic, which I like way better. It also has the Miyota 9015 movement. I wonder what your thoughts are on that watch 🤔.
This one's a swing and...well, *not* a miss, but more like a base hit rather than a home-run. Would I take it over a PRX? Certainly, but the PRX never quite set my boat afloat either. I agree that a 9000-series movement in a thinner case would put it over the top.
I've recently began my obsession as a watch collector. And i must say- out of all the luxury brands I've been researching, for me the MAMACOO's watches are the most intriguing.
The Quartz ETA F06.115 used in the Tissot PRX and Couturier is actually pretty amazing. I prefer Quartz, and the Powermatic 80 I’m sure will last many many years with little service, but I understand the complaints. This watch paired with Citizens Eco-Drive or even a basic 2115 and a tapered bracelet would make an amazing competitor to the Quartz PRX. 👌🏼
I prefer the aesthetics of a bracelet that doesn't taper too much, and it looks very noticeable on an integrated bracelet. No experience of the Miyota movements yet but I have a 9 series on the way.
Prx is a gamechanger. I have it i love it. Now i want to add another watch to my beginner collection but the ones i like are 2x 3x more pricey than Prx. I probably gonna add another Prx.
Wish it has 100m WR. 50m is a tad low to take it out for a swim (with confidence). Not a big fan of double butterfly deployment clasp, especially if your wrist is in between link sizes.
Citizen is great but I will still go for PRX if I need integrated bracelet watch, as PRX has 35mm size and better power reserve which suit me better, especially I already own 4 watches in my collection.
I've maintained that it would behoove, Bulova, Citizen and Casio to get into mechanical watches, and now the first two have. They've always had good quality, reasonable pricing, and nice designs. Why not jump into the mechanical realm so those of us who have no truck with quartz have some options?
Both of these look great but I feel the real PRX crusher was made by micro brand named Jack Turner. The design looks better and they offer way more for the money.
Powermatic 80 is System 51 movement, isn't it? By the way, Citizen Tsuyosa is the best watch under €600/700 and the previous version is as good as the small second version. I don't like the new bracelet, they should have kept the previous one.
So now the use of plastic in the escapement takes away the "magic". What lengths people will go to, hate on the PRX. I'm sorry, but I'll take a Powermatic 80, which, even with it's plastic is based on an ETA 2824-2 over an 8xxx Miyota any day of the week. First of all, the 8 series has an indirect seconds hand which is why Citizen went with the small seconds hand in the first place. My Bulova Skeleton uses an 8 series Miyota and it has AWFUL stuttering. So Miyota hides the awful 8 series second hand stuttering by putting in a small seconds hand. Ok. And they give you hacking and an extended run time that is still about 20 hours short of the PRX. And I'm sorry, but the Citizen Case and bracelet don't hold a candle to that of the PRX. The PRX bracelet is sublime for it's price point. I'm sorry, but the Citizen, while attractive does not put PRX owners into existential despair. Look, I am not a Citizen basher, I own no less than 3 citizens myself, plus 2 automatics that use Miyota movements. And despite this, not one of the Citizen's or Bulova's using the Miyota 8 series is as well put together as my PRX.
I have the PRX now for a year. It is still an amazing watch and I am very happy with it.
Which colour ?
delulu
Beautiful watch for the price. Citizen has always been a good brand and here they are taking it up a notch. Good for them....and us.
Fuxx, looks like I am buying another watch. Kids, stay away from this addiction 😂😂
Fr I just bought 3 watches this week 💀 a prx an orient and a g shock with an AP mod 😂 I couldn't help it
@juliodelgadillo8510 slow down, you're clearly a newbie jumping head first and overspending.
Trust me, in 5 years you will have wished you saved up and studied and bought 5 nice watches rather than 15 okay watches.
I did the same thing with many hobbies when I was young. Years ago I did the same thing with knives and guns and pens and other man hobbies.
In each thing, I wish I would have spent the same amount of money but on like 1/3rd of the number of things I bought, if that makes sense.
Lol, I did that same thing with jiu jitsu gis and boxing gloves when I first got into BJJ and muay Thai 10 years ago. I have like 20 gis but I wish I would have 7 very nice ones instead of like 2 very nice ones and a bunch of medium level ones. Same with gloves, I wish I had like 2 pairs of custom Winning brand gloves rather than 8 pairs of Fairtexs and other mid level brands.
Stop where you're at and don't buy another for at least a year.
One thing I've learned in every hobby I've been involved in is that your tastes mature and change as you continue. Things I thought were cool in the first year of the hobbies I eventually found to be corny or brash or crude a few years later.
Why? If you have the cash and really enjoy it.
@user-oe9mn8uw3c because if you continue in the hobby your taste will mature and develop and you will regret moat of the amateur purchases you made and wish you had fewer, better pieces instead of more, lower quality ones.
Unless you're so rich that money almost doesn't matter, then do whatever you want.
But most of us are only going to be able to spend so much money in a lifetime on any given hobby. So if I'm going to spend $10k on watches in my lifetime, I can tell you from experience with many other hobbies that most people will have preferred to spread $10k across 2-5 pieces rather than 20 cheaper pieces.
The same is true for me and almost everyone I know who continued enjoying things like watches, pens, knives, firearms, etc.
If we are watching the video on it, it might be too late to stop the addiction 🤣
Dying at Gyoza. Interesting offering from Citizen. Love the channel btw, you are one of the best around.
So many brands who make more affordable integrated bracelet watches (CW, Tissot, Citizen, Direnzo etc) are missing a trick IMHO by not making 38mm versions. Its probably the perfect size for this type of watch for a lot of wrist sizes yet no one seems to have made one yet?
absolutely. integrated bracelet pieces wear 2mm larger on average.
MAEN Manhattan comes in both a 37 and a 39!
I love the 40mm sizing. But then again I prefer 41-42mm watches
I was literally going to say the same thing!! It would make it look classier, and give it some difference to the PRX.
Yup, very few men look good with a >40mm watch.
Too many little dudes thinking they're big dogs.
I don't like big watches and I'm 6'1" and 220lbs. A 42mm watch looks silly, not cool or elegant or handsome.
Citizen has been a major player in the watch world since the 70s - it's just been overshadowed by Seiko and Casio, but as far as I'm concerned, Citizen beats them both in many aspects (not all) and it was the first watch I ever purchased as a teenager 20+ years ago. This new release is no different, it punches WAY above its weight class and it's finished well. And since I'm here I'll also remind folks how Citizen was also the very FIRST watch brand to implement and utilize titanium (I'll stay away from mentioning Eco-Drive because we're talking automatics) cool video Max 👍
Agreed, I've been a Citizen fan for the last decade or so.
I don’t think anyone beats Casio for $20 u can get a banging watch
The PRX is obviously still the benchmark for an "affordable" integrated bracelet sports watch. There has yet to be another that has not been compared. I have tried to replace mine but, it has achieved greatness in a segment that, seemingly, can not be overcome...
I own a PRX. I'm not in an existential despair.
Sounds like somthing that someone with existential despair would say
@@LeMinotU eat less eggs, you will stop talking like this. Its not too late.
@@LeMinotU 😆
I'm in existential despair and I don't even own a PRX.
First stage is denial
Citizen killed it with this, but the PRX case and bracelet are simply perfect. It's still the best for the price, especially the quartz model, it's unbeatable.
The PRX is a more direct Royal Oak homage which is maybe why you think it is perfect. Tsuyosa is a more original design.
@@yaboiyosef7640 If anything prx is an oysterquartz homage - they have almost identical case shape. The only two things similar between prx and royal oak is the 'integrated' part of integrated bracelet and the waffle dial
@@yaboiyosef7640also homage
@@yaboiyosef7640original design?? caugh Rolex
@@MovementninjaYTGo easy on him. He’s just a boi
I love my gorgeous PRX with the blue waffle dial.
It’s just played out now. I have one too and I’ve noticed it’s lost its presence. Too saturated now
The small second sells it for me. Small seconds are elegant and definitely underrated.
It’s called a sub second dial. And personally I think it’s useless and pointless.
This is what ruins it for me
Prefer the PRX.
Same
Absolutely. Much more tasteful design, in my opinion
Love the dial but hate the bracelet. I have had my PRX powrmatic 80 for over a year . It is worn every week with pleasure. I will get a CW 12 and give my prx to my grandson sometime in the future. Citizen is working their way out of mall watch hell with their new automatics. Enjoy your reviews.
Same here, everything looks and feels great except the bracelet. Horrible.
But will it survive enough to be passed on to another generation ? There are plastic parts in there tough
I bought three Tsuyosas on vacation just a couple of weeks ago on a cruise. One on the ship (Tiffany), one in Turks and Caicos (green) and one in the Bahamas (yellow). It became a *quest* to find different colors (which I posted on WC), and the reasonable price made it easily doable. These watches are a bargain and a stylish melange of PRX and OP. Love 'em!
My wife gifted me a Tissot PRX ice blue 35mm quartz on our 6th wedding anniversary. It fits perfectly on my 6.5 inch wrist. If citizen makes small seconds with about 35-37mm dial, it will fit majority of wrists.
PRX has become the go to name for budget integrated bracelet. I know a lot of people who owns it and are quiet happy about it.
Its a nice watch but to me the PRX looks way better. That being said, I would own both.
I have blue tsuyosa and wife has green 35mm quartz prx, I like tsuyosa so much more. But she loves hers prx, so they are both equally good watches I suppose.
Upgrade the movement to the 9000 series, reduce the thickness and case size 2-3mm, and you have a buyer here.
Then it will cost $700, and it may not have a deep pool of buyer.
Too much effort for one buyer.
@@shaheerrahman87ELITE COMMENT
@@shaheerrahman87 make it two. Too large, same issue with prx
Price*3 . Done.
I own both a Tsuyosa (ice blue) and a PRX (dark blue), and while the Citizen is a really nice, everyday watch with great finishing and a beautiful bracelet, after almost a year it still didn't "click". Everytime I wear my PRX, I just can't stop looking at it. The stunning bracelet that shimmers in the light, the sunburst dial that ranges from an almost black tone to a breathtaking navy blue, the handset, the indices.... I feel like to me, the overall package is more coherent and pleasing for the eyes than the Tsuyosa's. Again, just my 2 cents. But it's interesting to see other perspectives and opinions - that's what's so great about our hobby after all! 🥰
Exactly. I was gonna say the tsuyosa is cool. It never killed the prx tho, Tissot literally created a hall of famer with that watch, not sure if citizen made a hall of famer too tho...
Tsuyoza is nice, I bought the yellow one when it first came out. The only flaw imo is the crown position and how deep it's sitting😊
The small Seconds Version ist more on the outside
PRX is king. The fact that these brands are trying to make competition with it is proof of that! This watch is nice but the PRX (Especially the 35mm) is perfect. Thin, tapering bracelet, solid. And if you really don’t like the plastic in a mechanical movement, save yourself the $300 and get a quartz one! Go gold for that budget Vacheron 222 feel 🤤
Great video, very accurate analysis. In my 4.5 years in the game as a watch collector and enthusiast, I collected a lot from MaMaCoo I was thinking I was able to get a blue SD but I'm not vip enough, but I'm not giving up. Hehe. Great video.
Watched it up to 40mm 12mm. A good first effort, will wait for a smaller & thinner iteration
It wears big
Damn, screaming for a 36-38 mm
Totally!
Smaller. It will wear huge because it’s all dial.
Geee how small are you guys …damn
40 mm itself is too small for me, 20cm wrist
@NoneNone_ exactly. tony soprano wore a 36mm daydate. and he’s huge.
Fingers crossed that they'd actually launch mini versions of this like the prx did. I've long wanted a citizen because of its value for money, but the sizing has always been a turn off for my small wrist
For me this watch is even better and beautiful than the PRX...the dial so simple and minimalist is so perfect...hope citizen start working with more auto-movement pieces..great review
got my 39mm with the white dial on the 3-link "Bader" bracelet watch on amzwatch 3 weeks ago and am loving it to pieces. Absolute fantastic watch that wears super comfortable on my 6.75 inch wrist. Chose the 3-link over the 5-link bracelet for the toolless quick adjustment. Way more comfortable than my Longines Hydroconquest 41 mm.
I haven't even thought about a Citizen in years but definitely will give this one a gander.
I have the original Tsuyosa in Tiffany blue and really like it. The 3 things I don't like about it is the limited power reserve, the rather large spaces in between the links on the bracelet, and the difficulty using the small crown that's flush against the case. Considering I paid just under $300, I can't complain. This updated Tsuyosa has a much nicer looking dial, a better movement, and more power reserve. The bracelet looks the same though and the price went up $200. Comparing it to the PRX, I'd have to see them side by side.
I'm not quite convinced I'd pay $200 more for the new version of the Tsu. Losing the micro adjustments and the date functionality would be a bummer especially when a 9000 series movement is not included.
what a beautiful watch ! please tell me what will I do with my 5.5 inch wrist now ?
Very good presentation. Fair. Nothing inflated.
I have been hearing so many reviewers bashing Citizen, for copying current trends. They do not know for how long has Citizen been making watches and these designs are not anything out of their past catalogues.
This is now my favourite watch channel on TH-cam , such great content and done superbly, well done sir and I got my favourite watch at MaMaCoo， it hasn’t left my wrist for weeks
I'm a microbrand lover and most of my pieces here are moved by Miyota 9015 and 9039, apart from an ETA or Sellita here and there.
Great video, thank you very much. Can't decide Gold or Blue...
Hello and thanks for this video, This Citizen "petite seconde" Tsuyosa will be an absolut banger. Since almost three years now, this brand is clearly into an upgrade way. 👍
I think the Maen Manhattan is the best affordable version simply by offering a different case shape.
what Seiko is that at 6:28? I love it!! I want it!!!
I think with this model, Citizen is doing a cheaper version of the NC0200-90E "The Citizen". There are several differences including the caliber and finishing. But the Tsuyosa small Seconds is the poor man version of The Citizen, which is not bad at all. On the contrary, Citizen is bringing an accessible version to the general public of one of its more upscale watches.
Dammit! Just when I thought I didn’t need another watch, then I stumble across this channel! #ILoveCitizenWatches
Alternate title could be: Guess what company sponsors me/sends me free sh!t and which one doesn't...
:D spot on
If this was a 38 or 37mm it'd be perfect for me. I also like a nice small seconds hand, but I think it would be so clean if there wouldn't be a small seconds display. The textured dial would pop better. If they'd release a smaller version I'd consider swapping my 35mm PRX to this (I got 16.7cm wrist and love small watches)
I like your Seiko more. What model is that? Thanks
Love that little Seiko 5 field watch with that dial , do you have a model number please ?
I'd still rather have the PRX. Can you explain why the plastic component in the escapement is an issue without deferring to your own preconceived notion that metal is always better than plastic? Do we have any stats? The exact type of plastic used?
Provocative statements garner more TH-cam comments which helps with the TH-cam algorithm. Nothing more than that really.
Nobody really has objective arguments about the plastic thing. My only consideration is that evidence suggests that overall the designers at ETA know what to they do (and they know pretty well).
I find the crown at 4:30 so remarkably ugly and I don't know why Citizen keeps doing it.
Citizen knocked that out the ballpark 😮
Yes, Citizen is a Japanese wonder, I have Citizen Tsuyosa, but I found its movement to be faster than Seiko movements and it is good that it keeps time more gently than PRX in terms of design, but as I said, the mainspring is fast and Seiko movements work more consistently.
Citizens is killing it lately. It's more expensive, but the Series 8 that just released looks like a near perfect integrated bracelet watch.
Dude, this is such a well made video! Really enjoyable. I hope you have already made a video for the new zenshin watches!
I think I’d always go for the quartz PRX anyway, and that Citizen will wear large because there’s no bezel, the whole face of the watch is dial.
Exactly.
the PRX also wears large. comically so. not only that, the lack of articulation on the first link makes it wear like a 42mm watch.
Shocked Pikachu face upon realising that PRX wears larger and somewhat disproportionate.
@@OthusdragonreviewsThat's why theirs a 35mm version sweet cheeks
@@Othusdragonreviews I’d be getting the 35mm quartz PRX
PRX IS STUNNING......THIS IS NICE.
This is the first interesting £500 watch for awhile. I like it!
Have you thought of reviewing some of Citizen's JDM models? They have some stunners that are even Grand Seiko-esque in visual beauty.
The sub second dial looks like a Zen garden. Like some tiny person raked the sand around the sub dial. I see these are on sale on the Citizen site. I really love the grey dial but it doesn’t have a bracelet as an option😢
Them getting rid of the date complication is a smart move too, I tried the original Tsuyosa and the crown was too much a PITA to change just the date, so having it only be needed to adjust the time makes a big difference imo. Might look at getting this, as I have 7.75 inch wrists and need something a bit dressier!
Wasn’t the Maurice Lacroix Aikon out first? I would say that was the cheap Royal Oak alternative
Good that u have mentioned the synthetic escapement in the Powermatic 80 23 jewels movement, lots of people dont know that. It is an important factor. Luckily, many brands like Certina or Mido are Now using only Powermatic 80, the 25 jewels version, which does not have any synthetic material. Price is of course a factor, while Tissot can offer automatic watches around 650-750EUR with the 23jewels powermatic, Certina and Mido with the 25jewels powermatic offers from 750 and above. Worth the money still imo
What model of seiko is the one you have?!
Thnx God, you didnt mention Roamers Stingray... We still can expect to buy those for under 300 $... Thank you a lot
Dang 50mm L2L is pretty large!
like your content, I started a watch collection late in life but I respect the quality of a good time piece
Citizen has ruined the beauty of tsuyosa by launching the small Seconds
I like the shirt you wear ? Where did you bought it ?
I have the teal 3 handed one with the date. Very pleased with it. Nice review.
I have 2 Tsuyosa's and 3 PRXs. Trust me, PRX is way better than the Tsuyosa. Don't get we wrong, i love them both, that's why i bought them, but the PRX is better
Which Seiko model is shown at 6:32
Max you are the GOAT of watch TH-camrs, great reviews !
@watchcrunch, why doesnt anyone review the Citizen Series 8 range? It's probably the ultimate watch in terms of spec for it's price. Would love to see a review of the Citizen 83. A budget Grand Seiko if you will. Would be keen to hear your thoughts
Tsuyosa always should have been 36-38mm, but if it had to be 40mm I don't understand why they didn't use a daydate movement in it. Miyota makes a full day date 8 series automatic movement that I've never seen used anywhere except cheap Chinese Rolex Daydate homages. It could have been the perfect movement.
i agree, a 36-38mm tsuyosa with 12mm max thickness and day date complication would
be on fire !!!!
I have a PRX and I’m completely utterly panicking right now. The world is ending
Yeah but there is something about the Citizen watches that do not resonate with me for some reason. Had an eco drive chrono and just did not like it.
The tan one of these is to die for! This watch is a steal😮
I need to see this in person but I highly doubt that it betters the light play from PRX bracelet.
What a stunning looking watch, can’t wait to try it on!
Got myself a small second. Honestly feels so good on the wrist and I love the crown placement, I'm a 24/7 kind of guy, I hate removing my watch. For an automatic watch it is incredible accurate, while the 8322 movement is rated at -20~+40 seconds a day I am currently at +5 seconds a days (so all I need to do is pull out the crown for 15 seconds every 3 days and I'm sorted). I'll have to disagree with you for the night though, I find myself able to still tell the time at 6 in the morning with the watch not being to bright to be distracting while in bed.
Great video, but what do you think about this watch against the prx. They are similar and even if the prx is pretty much better all around I think , is it 2x times better for the price which is doubled? I’m trying to understand if the extra 400euros are worth it or just mainly branding.
FYI - I successfully sized my Tsuyosa I got for this past Christmas and just now moved one link from the front of the buckle to the back for better clasp balance.
miyota makes a better movement than the powermatic 80
thinner too
Oh yeah
How so? How's the accuracy for each one. I'm contemplating on getting one
Yes but… isn’t this an 8000 series movement? Why not drop the 9000 series movement into this watch?
I absolutely agree and subscribe! My myota watches keep even better time than the Powermaric
Never liked the way the round bezzel of the PRX disrupted the lines of the watch. So I recently got me a green dial 2nd generation D1 Milano automatic, which I like way better. It also has the Miyota 9015 movement.
I wonder what your thoughts are on that watch 🤔.
My prx tifanny green is eye catching
This one's a swing and...well, *not* a miss, but more like a base hit rather than a home-run. Would I take it over a PRX? Certainly, but the PRX never quite set my boat afloat either. I agree that a 9000-series movement in a thinner case would put it over the top.
I've recently began my obsession as a watch collector. And i must say- out of all the luxury brands I've been researching, for me the MAMACOO's watches are the most intriguing.
The PRX simply looks significantly better. Better design + quartz option for easy, low maintenance is the winning formula for me.
Very good video as always ! You should really review the Yema urban traveler as I think its a solid competitor for the PRX
The Quartz ETA F06.115 used in the Tissot PRX and Couturier is actually pretty amazing. I prefer Quartz, and the Powermatic 80 I’m sure will last many many years with little service, but I understand the complaints. This watch paired with Citizens Eco-Drive or even a basic 2115 and a tapered bracelet would make an amazing competitor to the Quartz PRX. 👌🏼
Do they have a Gold version yet…???
I tried the PRX but I didn't like it and ended up with a Hamilton Field Khaki. I think I'm going to get this though, the dial is goregous.
I prefer the aesthetics of a bracelet that doesn't taper too much, and it looks very noticeable on an integrated bracelet. No experience of the Miyota movements yet but I have a 9 series on the way.
I'm always on time no matter the movement
Been researching Christopher Ward The Twelve Titanium. YT algorithm fed me this video. How would you compare them to the Citizen?
I love the dial, but the small second somehow doesn't fit it for me
Prx is a gamechanger. I have it i love it. Now i want to add another watch to my beginner collection but the ones i like are 2x 3x more pricey than Prx. I probably gonna add another Prx.
what is the model of this watch?
Wish it has 100m WR. 50m is a tad low to take it out for a swim (with confidence). Not a big fan of double butterfly deployment clasp, especially if your wrist is in between link sizes.
will it be also with eco drive movement?
does it come without a small secondhand
Citizen is great but I will still go for PRX if I need integrated bracelet watch, as PRX has 35mm size and better power reserve which suit me better, especially I already own 4 watches in my collection.
I've maintained that it would behoove, Bulova, Citizen and Casio to get into mechanical watches, and now the first two have. They've always had good quality, reasonable pricing, and nice designs. Why not jump into the mechanical realm so those of us who have no truck with quartz have some options?
Both of these look great but I feel the real PRX crusher was made by micro brand named Jack Turner. The design looks better and they offer way more for the money.
I'm so glad I held out on the original Tsuyosa
Powermatic 80 is System 51 movement, isn't it?
By the way, Citizen Tsuyosa is the best watch under €600/700 and the previous version is as good as the small second version. I don't like the new bracelet, they should have kept the previous one.
So now the use of plastic in the escapement takes away the "magic".
What lengths people will go to, hate on the PRX.
I'm sorry, but I'll take a Powermatic 80, which, even with it's plastic is based on an ETA 2824-2 over an 8xxx Miyota any day of the week.
First of all, the 8 series has an indirect seconds hand which is why Citizen went with the small seconds hand in the first place. My Bulova Skeleton uses an 8 series Miyota and it has AWFUL stuttering.
So Miyota hides the awful 8 series second hand stuttering by putting in a small seconds hand. Ok. And they give you hacking and an extended run time that is still about 20 hours short of the PRX.
And I'm sorry, but the Citizen Case and bracelet don't hold a candle to that of the PRX. The PRX bracelet is sublime for it's price point.
I'm sorry, but the Citizen, while attractive does not put PRX owners into existential despair.
Look, I am not a Citizen basher, I own no less than 3 citizens myself, plus 2 automatics that use Miyota movements. And despite this, not one of the Citizen's or Bulova's using the Miyota 8 series is as well put together as my PRX.