2 years of owning a McLaren out of warranty
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I've owned my McLaren for 2 years, out of warranty. These are my experiences and what it cost in that time.
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Great to see someone telling the truth at last about these amazing cars 😎
Thank you for doing this. It's starting to become obvious (with your input along with whistle blowers like Thorney Motorsport) that ridiculous maintenance really is (for the most part) dealership inflation vs. a poorly designed car. It's good to know with a little wrench time and resourcefulness you don't have to stay awake at night wondering how many kidneys you'll need to part with to enjoy one of these.
Easy to MF the car when you can't afford one .
People with money don't believe that's a solution. They can already afford it, they don't WANT to pay it.
@Thomas B only so many jobs you can fit in your schedule bro
I couldn't have stumbled upon a more perfectly honest video for this car. You're a boss 👍👍
These out of the box fixes are epic and so entertaining more people need to be watching this. #subscribed
Smart man! Glad to see you working on your own supercar. I wish ya the best bud.
Oh man, rookie mistake! NEVER fold the mirrors. Great video :)
Awesome car. Very underrated will beat nearly anything on track. You seem very resourceful fixing this car yourself. I think I would stay awake worrying about potential bills.
I love the fact that you look for cheaper alternatives to enjoy a supercar. Makes the think I'm closer to owning one of these than I thought.
He didn't take cheaper alternatives. He took BETTER alternatives. :)
Yup, that's a subscription. Thank you for being, I think, maybe the only TH-camr to actually own one of these out of warranty and not be afraid to work on it (outside of rebuilding a wreck). I'll be curious to see how it pans out as you continue to accrue miles as I'm a fan of the car and would love to own one if it seems user-service-feasible. For a cost-comparison, I recently did a piece where I show ~$3700/year owning an '04 Gallardo for a year, and about a $3700/year average for 11 years with a '92 NSX (that figure exacerbated by track use and 238,000 miles). So, you are definitely winning with your experience so far! (and cheers from a fellow VinWiki alumni!)
I've got a playlist of DIY service, modifications, and troubleshooting I'll be adding to as well.
@@McMedics Awesome! Also 'hate I missed that Bristol autocross earlier this month. I debated it but was up to my elbows in NSX electricals that weekend :( . Would have loved to see it run!
@@LapoftheWorld I drove terrible for various reasons, but tomorrow and Sunday I'll be in Franklin, NC at a 4 session event.
Thank you. Frits, the Netherlands.
You got me all excited to modify a car I can't even get... yet.
Great video from a guy that actually drives the car. So many of these sit and the owner brags about low mileage, what’s the point of saving it for the next guy ? Spend a pile of money on the car , get it on the road and enjoy it 👍
I'm creeping up on 44k miles, I'll probably be around or over 45k at year 4 video.
Thank you sir. Your feedback makes me live my dream owning a McLaren
Really interesting, still the best looking McLaren.
I just started looking at these as an upgrade to my c6 zr1
Wow you know a lot about the 12C's. Great video, you have yourself a new subscriber!
You're a smart guy! Love the video!
Some great fixes! I want a McLaren, and now there is a resource for work on by myself. Thanks!
Great to see someone with basic common sense '
Well done ✓
Enjoyed your video
This was such an eye opening video. I dismissed these cars as a possible first exotic buy, but thanks to your insight, its a strong candidate.
I rented a 12C for a few days in Vegas from Royalty Exotics and absolutely loved it! It is so light weight and fast! Smooth lines. A classic beauty. Love the interior. What a blast it was. For comparison I’ve rented the i8, also a great car but not nearly as fast, an R8, not as nice as the i8, a Viper, yes it wants to kill you and terrible A/C. And for shorter periods I’ve done group excursions that included Ferrari F430, 911 Turbo, Gallardo, Murcielago, Ford GT, Continental GT, Z06 and on the track I’ve done laps in the 458, the Huracan, Aventador and others. On the track the 458 was the best then the 12C. But the 12C is more exotic and preferred in the city and highway. The lambos have the best sound but too heavy for the track.
With just a tune on a 12C, it goes from faster than a 458 to where'd the 458 go.
I WANT TO DRIVE THIS SO BAD... I recently sold my corvette c7 base model black and now my next car I think... will be this 12c.
Florida baby!! Zero deductible and no hikes on your premiums.
I've found the 12c to be more comfortable for a longish (~2hr) drive than my 4runner. Takes a bit of strategy for my 6'3" 250lb frame to get in/out, but once I'm in it, I don't feel cramped. The footwell is probably the most cramped thing. Awesome car. Quite fun.
If you're used to being able to move your left foot very wide it's something to get used to. Once I got used to that it isn't cramped.
Try driving with your shoes off if that does not work. I am same dimensions w/ big old feet
One of my favorite cars, an absolute beauty 👍🏾
Great info! I'm planning to pick up a 12c in the near future, glad I stumbled across your video.
3rd year video coming soon!
awsome man I was on the fence about buying one when I saw $2,500 oil change for a 570S
Whaaaaat that's crazy. That seems high even for a dealer, very high.
and great point about getting with miles. i drove my bently offten and had no problems. I lost my common sense for a min and u brought me bk down to the basics
@@McMedics just looks like the company is trying to charge as much money as possible for repairs rather than making the repair process as easy as possible and taking less margin there, building a reputation, and being a more desirable car/ selling more cars. They are depreciating their own cars by having a stigma that extremely expensive to repair.
The "let's make money" business guys never think of the consequences
@@Tential1 I confirmed yesterday even Beverly Hills only charges $800 for an oil change.
I can do it lol
Dude your a blessing! I was conflicted about buying this car because there's so many different options out there. I felt they were the most reliable best way to go though still had concerns about if things did go wrong.. Your videos taught me alot and made me feel comfortable moving forward buying one! I will definitely be buying stuff from you! Do you have any recommendation of what to look for when shopping for one? What should I make sure was replaced, changed, or updated before buying? I know there was afew recalls..
HVAC controls are quite often dead or going dead, very apparent and I sell a $800 fix for it. The underbody strakes are often broken, I sell those as well. If you see a replaced transmission in the service history don't fret. Until the near future, any transmission related issue was resolved with a replaced transmission. That includes fluid leaks, shifting funny, even a general hydraulic issue (because the suspension, active aero, and other functions work with the transmission). They're just now nearing actually servicing items instead of replacing the transmission. Look for leaks around the suspension, it would indicate an accumulator going bad (above the spring). If there is an adjustable volume for Intake Sound Generator in the instrument cluster it has the power upgrade (it was free, very common to have it). I'd avoid very low mile cars, definitely not less than 1k miles per year but I like to stay around 2k miles a year or more.
Great review! Maby on day I can get this beauty lol.
Love it, let's crowdfund you some more supercars or maybe you can turn it into a thing where you teach us about cheap fixes and maintenance hacks on other people's supercars as well, could turn it into a pretty lucrative business since you already have access to a 3D printer and know how to use it in these applications
I could and would absolutely do that given the opportunity.
Saw your VinWiki video. Funny enough I recognized the Jerry Sutton Training Complex Autocross and i have pictures taken with my Nikon of your car driving! I see you live in Spartanburg too. I’m in Duncan this fall working as a student coop at Draexlmaier. If you ever do one of the night series events in Asheville I’d love to come out and say hello!
I'll be in Franklin again tomorrow afternoon and Sunday morning. I was in Asheville last week and will be on the 30th as well. No spectators allowed though. You'd have to stay outside the fence if you aren't driving. It's those limitations we're dealing with.
Wow I don’t own any mclarens coz of the reliability (friends blown engines and transmissions) and worthless depreciation but watching this gives me hope, esp the 12c is cheaper than a boxster which is mind blowing. Very interested to own one and all the vids will def be helpful for the cheap owners like myself coz we can’t stand to get raped by the dealers. Kudos keep it up 🎉
McMedics come to you for less than the dealer as well. If your friends are blowing engines they're doing it wrong, like crap tunes, not letting them warm up before bouncing off the rev limiter, or not checking oil level. Transmissions don't go bad either, dealers replace them unnecessarily because of corporate procedures and stupidity
Mind you, obviously cost of maintenance is also mindblowing. 7 grand for a windshield is ******* insane. Only an asshole of a company will charge that, regardless whether is a supercar or not.
So you're never going to own any 6 figure car or anything from Tesla? Those are $6k windshields.
A windshield isn't maintenance either.
Great video, keep them coming please, regarding the mirror, I bet that was valet that did it.. I also own mine out of warranty, 2 years later and 5k miles... Guess what, problem free. hehe. :) So many people troll online with these cars without actually owning one. LOL. fact of the matter its an overly underpriced car with amazing performance, has the ass of a supermodel and totally rapido.
You might be right if I valet'd it, but I didn't. I trust parking with everyone more than I trust a valet. Others have experienced that gear breaking, they just replaced the motor instead of fixing the gear.
Valuable upload Sir ! As far as I can understand
mileage per se shouldn't be the main issue to worry about if a good service history of the car is available from the previous owners.
Just would like to ask about body and chassis damage repair: composites being extensively used for panels and several items all through the car do worry me a bit....I feel somehow clueless about dealing with any possible accident causing bodyshell or internal damage.
Thanks !
Damage can be repaired on the body panels, the tub repair, which is why cars get totalled from it, is expensive to repair.
@@McMedics Thanks !
Guys first, what is the serial number on this car? Second 3rd party warranty is not that expensive on these cars. It’s an amazing machine enjoy
It's #362. 3rd party warranties are much less than the McLaren extended warranty, but you've also gotta be aware of what they will and will not cover. I've heard stories of not covering significant items or pay out caps. I've also heard of things like $2,000 deductibles, which in my case means I'd be paying out $3,000 a year to still not use it after paying all I've paid.
EMF Autos case by case bases. It’s been good to me with covering any electronics like the little displays on the doors. Car #2599 here . Take care and thanks for sharing!
Good interesting video no hype just reality of fixes to keep this car on the road
700$ is not very bad at all. I’m willing to go to dealer for clutch and trans service though 3,000$ every 20k miles isn’t bad because I’m sure I wouldn’t drive the car 40k miles in 2 years lol
An exotic car is still a car. You might get hosed on parts costs, but if you can learn how to do the work you can save on exorbitant labor, supplies, and part markups at the dealer. They just know that a McLaren owner is more likely to spend 3000 on a procedure that would cost 500 on a Toyota.
And that Toyota won't give you the same enjoyment either. It's the price to pay for entertainment. Though all things considered, your point could be made for a luxury brand as well. Mercedes repair could cost the same as McLaren.
How about an update video
Look at year 3 and year 4, already up
Great video! Would you agree that in order to gain the full DIY benefit like yourself, you’d need at least a 2 post lift? I don’t think a jack and jack stands will give you full access to things like clutch service, issue with water pumps, compressor etc. Agree?
I don't have a 2 post lift. I have a 4 post and while it is nice to have it isn't required. I've done clutch service, transmission service, water pump, oil changes, etc on jack stands multiple times in people's garages.
Ur also a very handy guy😁.Idt Im that "Handy" But maybe with Ur videos? I haven't got McLaren yet, I still have Turbo Porsche but I wanted get McLaren but I hear the horror stories So been checking on this myself now..What's different w/a 2012 compared to newer MC12 Or Even a 650s? Im thinking 650s now prices are coming down otherwise I'd get Ferrari or Lamborghini but they are Exspensive! So finding you Mite Be My God Send🥳. thanks for video I'll Ck-out Ur Other Videos But I could definitely get McLaren if no Trans & Rack problem Because THATS The Big Problem From What Iv Heard & Seen, at $30-35k Each Of Thos which Iv heard is almost common on early MC12, scares me, But you are smartest guy Ive seen doing this especially w/ur cheap fixes, definitely has made difference in my thinking, thanks again🎸🎸🎸
I've heard a lot of "horror stories" too, from people that have never owned them or had them right out of the gate. 2012's specifically have unique door entry to every other year or model, 650's have a few little things on the engine updated like cam phasers. The key to getting a good car is getting one that DOESN'T have low miles. At least 2,000 miles per year will be the best car, that applies to any brand. I wouldn't get a Ferrari, Lamborghini makes some pretty good stuff but those aren't flawless either. There have been VERY few actual transmission problems with these cars, it's literally the same transmission all the way through 600LT's and the 4.0L cars are extremely similar. I have an early 2012, #362, and I'm friends with the owner of #258 and his car has also been extremely good.
For me the most beautiful McLaren ever! This new ones are simply horrible....
SIXTY dollars the dealer wanted to change the 'key fob' battery plus 6.00 for the battery.
Have you seen my video that includes how to change the keyfob battery?
They're solid jus a few minor things nothin major. Pulling engine under 15hours .won't need tho .the Lil ac screens and bumper
I think ive seen your car before at greenville cars and coffee!! i see that license plate is from SC! Question though man, im coming from a C8 corvette and looking at a 570s, Mp4-12c or a 650s. Just wondering what your thoughts were?
You probably have seen it there! The 12C and 650 are nearly the same car, that comes down to preferences in appearance for the most part. I feel both of those are better than a 570 on the whole, but cost of ownership is lower on the 570 by a little bit because it doesn't have the things that make it better.
I understand that the BMW oil filter is the same.
A lot of parts are over the counter parts store stuff, consumables anyway.
Thorney pulled motor for sum fuel vape thing or return pump
“See how much money I spent essentially being a mechanic on my mclaren” *i made my own exhaust system* super DIY friendly
They are, I'm just showing how.
Anyone else smile when he said over 9000
Even regular shops charge 110 a hr
Was going to buy one but I think im going to hold off
But why? Prices are only going up.
there should be physical place to put the key in the car if the battery dies
There should be, but there isn't!
Can you please take a moment to talk about the brakes. You mentioned that you autocross which can be rough on brakes. How are yours fairing out. These are carbon and I'm scared about the cost of replacing them. How long do they last and how much do they cost to replace???
The rotors are quite expensive to replace, but they rarely need replacing. Funny enough, they're the same as C7 Corvette carbon ceramics I think it is. So, cheaper when you apply it to a different application and interchangeable. The pads you do have to replace eventually (I haven't had to yet) there are some aftermarket options that are better than stock and IIRC they're about $1,200 a set. So realistically they aren't that bad.
Get diff pads
Jus do front brakes leave rear
Clutches shud last along time do they wear quick. Shud go 90k? Use neutral. Clouds can buy online ..I thought the clutches wear bit it's just fliuds
Fliuds not cloud
Clutches disengage when stopped, don't need to use neutral, it's not a Lamborghini.
Took the airbag module out to save 100$? Bruh
More than that if you go to a dealer for them to reset it. It's also not an option for people hundreds of miles from a dealer. I now Have the ability to reset it myself but this video is for others.
I'm considering possibly flipping my C8 for an MP4. What are some red flags you would recommend looking out for?
You wouldn't be the first doing exactly that, seen it 3 times already
6800$$$$$???? Windshield ???? I will shell out my last 4K MAYBE 4.5
Do you know where can send to fix mine in texas ? Im in san antonio
I'd do it! I travel to work on these cars, that's my whole business model. I've been to San Antonio twice this year, I was there 2 weeks ago even.
*$6,800us for a windscreen, oh HELL NO!, a simple stone on the windscreen BOOM your whole weekend is screwed money wise, however if it takes 3-4 months to get a windscreen you aren't driving lolz.*
That's pretty common at that price point of car.
So really if you don't mess with it. The mirror broke.
The mirror is motorized constantly if enabled. Since I fixed it, hasn't happened again.
Which model and year is this?
2012 MP4-12C
Hi .looking at a 2014 with around 5k miles. Should I stay away from it.
Mileage alone isn't a "stay away", but there are things to consider and be aware of.
Was the transmission issues that Hoovie was having the norm?
No, that is in fact a very few and far between issue. I think in Hoovie's case the issues were more owner related than car related. The entire time he had it there were no issues, with anything. There have been more Ferrari 355's on fire than McLaren transmission failures. For perspective, the 3.8L engine and transmission found in the MP4-12C is the same one that is in the 650s, 675LT, 570s, 570GT, 540GT, P1 (engine only), 600LT, MSO X, and 620R.
EMF Autos wow!
Thanks for the info!
Can I assume you have a hoist?
I have a 4 post but I do a lot of things on jack stands for customers
How's trans clutch wear
Yeah, I'm not impressed with McCatbox's... I feel like I'm driving a Chrysler product. The cheapest quality for a stupid amount of money, like old Lamborghini's. I very much respect your grind and know what you go threw. Im Super anal, very cheap, replace aftermarket, rarely drive it, and use it to impress my friends and bragging rights.... I'm not a big Ferrari guy but they are built much better. RR Ghost coup is worth every penny and thee highest quality imo.
What exactly have you driven? Ferrari definitely aren't built better. Do you like your buttons sticky? RR isn't in the same category.
@@McMedics Don't even bother responding to sporadic comments like this. They must have been having a stressful day and figured to shitpost for some stress relief. I guarantee they didn't even watch the entire video. I did, however, and you did a great job!
I'm actually an engineer for the company that owns the very platform we're on :) and work at the Austin office. Only a couple years removed from University now, but as a car enthusiast, I've been looking at a few different options to buy. I was a bit drawn back by some comments about reliability issues, but I'm glad you went into some detail about your own experience/maintenance/fixes. This definitely provides a new perspective for me on the 12c and McLaren, in general! I'm a very hands-on person, so doing service work for the vehicle, whichever I choose, on my own is going to be a blast.
I've been curious about buying: Lotus Evora 400/GT, Porsche 991.2 CS, Giulia Quadrifoglio (sure it's not the same class, but... driver's car), McLaren MP4-12c. I haven't driven a single one yet, but am still gathering information on all of them to make the best decision and will hopefully be doing so very soon!
Thanks again for this content!
which obd scanner do u reccomend
For basic things like reading data and resetting check engine faults or more involved solutions?
Hi, i'm want buy this toy,you had transmission problems or something worse?
I haven't had any transmission problems. It's a myth about the failures. There are very few actual failures. Until recently McLaren warranty replaced transmissions for anything connected to the transmission too. If there was an air brake fluid leak they'd replace the transmission because the systems are connected.
@@McMedics thanks for your answer, i will buy one.
I'm going to have to sell mine because because the warranty ended and well I'm scared
You shouldn't be if you're actually driving it. Like the video says, it's only as bad as you make it. Just don't go to the dealer and the bill will be at least 1/3 on everything you would need.
Great video, but if that were any other car, it would be considered a lemon.
What exactly is it you're referring to that makes it a "lemon"?
@@McMedics It's American. Look up "lemon law." It varies state by state, but generally it refers to cars that are consistently problematic beyond the industry standard. Basically a piece of shit that keeps breaking.
I am American, and I know what the lemon law is and how it works. I'm not sure you do which is why I asked what made it a lemon. The lemon law applies to a $500 car or a $5 mil car if it was made anywhere in the world. I'd the law kept pieces of shit off the road, 1/3 of the cars in SC wouldn't be on the road. Inspections keep pieces of shit off the road. Lemon law keeps a consumer from dumping money from the same issue (or warranty claim for the same issue) into a car where the issue isn't getting resolved when sold.by a dealer. Most states you have to have it taken in to be repaired 3 times in less than a year for the exact same issue.
Your windshield costs as much as all four of my vehicles.
What cars do you have?
in your opinion knowing what you know now would you still buy a 12C?
Without a doubt yes.
@@McMedics where did you say you lived? east coast? I'm in British Columbia Canada.
I'm in South Carolina, USA. I travel the country a lot, often on the west coast.
@@McMedics I have an Alfa 4C right now but will be wanting the 12C as soon as I am able...
@@McMedics are all McLaren steering wheels interchangeable? or do I need a 12C specific wheel?
You can't drive it ?.
I drive it all the time
You're from Texas ?
No, the car was originally from a dealer in TX.
It is my pleasure to see such beauty. You are stunning! Stop being too perfect
How much is insurance?
That will obviously vary on the cars location, driving record, miles driven in a year, age of the driver, etc. For me it's a little over $2,000 a year but I know some pay $500 a month.
You got to be packin serious meat in the pants to own a secondhand McLaren. Not for faint of heart or lack of wrenching skill.
This McLaren is more reliable than my ex wife's Dodge Caliber she had. Dealer maintenance costs are high, DIY isn't, but break/fix isn't bad.
Dude looks corny to me because I'm poor.
These cars sound like a head ache
No different than any other car, just more expensive.
@@McMedics never had issues with a Toyota
I guess that means nobody ever has ever and there definitely haven't been any recalls, especially for unintended acceleration or fire.
car is ok but not reliable. such a shame. for a little less, buy a porsche gt2
Not reliable according to whom? Did you even watch the video? People sell GT2's for McLaren's pretty routinely.
Hate the way maclaren rips off its customers.
It's worth noting dealers are franchises, the manufacturer doesn't control pricing of parts or actions of service.