Massive Helldivers 2 Update Nerfs SOLO Play, Buffs Automatons, Nerfs Quasar, and MUCH More!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- Massive weapon balancing changes which without a doubt will change a lot of the weapon choices for a lot of players, shifting around some of the best weapons in the game, nerfing some amazing weapons such as the quasar, and buffing underperforming weapons, such as the punisher plasma. And soo much more.
Enjoy!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:23 Armor Headshot Buffed
0:40 Victory Poses
0:55 Exploding Crossbow Changes
1:36 Quasar Cannon Massive Nerf
2:05 Adjudicator Changes
2:29 Laser Cannon Buffed
2:58 Punisher Plasma Buffed
3:35 Arc-12 Blitzer Buffed
3:47 Eruptor Nerfed
4:16 Sickle Nerfed
4:30 Scythe Changes
4:55 Railgun Buffed
5:28 Heavy Machine Gun Buffed
5:34 Diligence Counter Sniper Buffed
5:42 Diligence Sniper Buffed
5:49 Redeemer Nerfed
6:03 Peacemaker Buffed
6:14 Senator Revolver Buffed
6:33 Dagger Buffed
6:47 Liberator Buffed
6:56 Liberator Concussive Buffed
7:06 Jar-5 Dominator Nerfed
7:20 Guard Dog Rover Nerfed
7:25 Guard Dog Buffed
7:31 Burning Damage Reduced
7:44 Machine Gun Sentry Buffed
8:01 Tesla Tower Buffed
8:15 Airburst Rocket Launcher Changes
8:44 Armored & Bile Spewer Nerfed
8:53 Hulks Buffed
9:11 Hulk Scorcher Flamethrower Nerfed
9:28 Devastators Fire Rate Buffed
9:37 Gunships Movement Buffed
9:47 Scout Striders Explosion Buff
10:00 Spore Spewers Buffed
10:25 Gunship Factories Nerfed
10:50 Solo Play is Nerfed
11:43 Level Generation Changes
11:58 Autoclimbing Changes
12:11 New Mission Type "Spread Democracy"
12:25 Other Changes
12:37 Ricochet Changes
13:00 Major Fixes
14:15 Thoughts on Update
#helldivers #helldivers2 #helldiver - เกม
punishing solo and small group play is like asking people to stop playing, plenty of people just want to chill on thier own or play with friends and dont want to worry about strangers fun
Randoms really are going to make me want to quit
Every update now just removes fun. I want to shred through enemies, I want a power fantasy. Not struggle more and more.
It’s meant to be played with people. It’s meant to be insanely hard without a coordinated team. If solo is too hard, change your difficulty, it’s as simple as that.
@@nerktheninja811 I agree and I do play on lower difficulty when solo. However my opinion on this change is that it feels like an extra slap in the face for playing the game 'wrong'. its not a big deal especially in context of other recent changes but still I want to voice my opinion
The unlimited Nade glitch is not even fixed, it still works just like before.
It's hilarious because previously the glitch made your grenade count go into negative numbers, seemingly bypassing the check for if you had 0 grenades left that would prevent you from throwing more. But now, when you throw a grenade with the glitch you suddenly jump to 4,294,967,296 grenades instead, meaning the game subtracts 1 from 0 and wraps around.
It seems whatever dev tried to fix it saw the negative number, thought "I'll just make it an unsigned integer so it can't go negative" and checked the bug off the list as fixed without testing. For reference, the maximum value of an unsigned 32bit integer is 4,294,967,296.
@@plasmasupremacy9321 that's funny. Didn't the community already deduce that the issue was a simple comparator error? Of course we don't have access to the code directly but surely the logic is just slightly incorrect. idk why it would take months to fix it. They should just work on a couple errors at a time and do weekly updates rather than these big sweeping waterfall changes imo.
Of fucking course it does lol
I will try it again. It is the same as before the last patch? Press 4 to hold granade at hand and after throwing the last granade, spam stratagem button?
@@diogorocha9837 yeah, everything is the same except the number goes to 4.2B instead of -1. Very much a dev who was told to stop grenades going negative without understanding the real problem.
I'm getting real tired of progressing through a premium warbond that already usually has only 1 usable weapon, and then having it nerfed to hell and back to boot.
At least Blitzer finally got a deserved buff (though with arc targeting in general that "buff" needs to be tested further).
Update: Blitzer feels real good now. Tendrils still wonky with terrain and corpses (a warrior can take from 1-3 shots to die depending on the angle of the cone), but now it is reliable in managing crowds without needing to switch.
Maybe like, use those other weapons you unlocked instead of google/youtube searching "easiest way to play pepega" like a 12yr old
@@bodkin7841 terrible take, some people enjoy different play styles and weapons, not everyone wants the game to be easy, they just want to have fun.
@@somacringe9637 this is not a terrible take. Bringing certain weapons in-line benefits other playstyles and methods by giving them more room to compete. The problem is everyone here obviously only enjoyed 1 fucking style lmao (the easiest one)
@@bodkin7841 Terrible take lil bro
@@exiledexilus9888 h
Can we make Hellbomb activation panel FACE the player when landing at least 40% of the time?
Knowing that it will always face away from our throwing position helps with how you throw it.
I just want it to stick to the ground where thrown rather than bouncing.
@@Schilani NP, except when it bounces and lands against structure... yer kinda fooked.
@@cuttheloop Oh yeah, that is kinda stupid. But by now I kinda now most spots where it does bounce and can prepare accordingly. Or I just throw them AT the building, so they definitely bounce off of that and aren't too close to the wall.
As a player that lives in china, I'm pretty sad to hear about the patrol change. As much as I love playing the game with other people, it is often simply unfeasible due to latency. Playing on my own, working my way up to difficulty level 4 missions, has been quite a slog, but an enjoyable one. It's saddening, though, because this feels like a punishment for players like me that don't have easy access to servers or to a wider player base.
That sucks, the delays were a bit annoying but worth it to play with people from all over the world
That's a really good point
Or the people that don't want to deal with the garbage randoms lol
What is the patrol change?
How can latency be bad in china, like i refused to believe that a game NOT having a server in china, im getting constant 40-60 ping in most of my matches, maybe your internet is the problem, try upgrading or contact ur internet provider for potential issues
Oh grenade glitch is no longer infinite.....you get like 4 million of them now
it's 4 billion lol
@@plasmasupremacy9321 it was 4 followed by a lot of digits as my butt cheeks were being nibbled off by a hunter....I didn't have time to count.
this number is actually the equivalent in decimal for a 32bit operating video game. They have may messed up the coding a bit lol
Arrowhead: Not enough people are playing automaton missions!
Also Arrowhead: Maybe we should make the bots more deadly & resilient to attract more players???
WAT
Bots are just no fun to fight against, especially for casual players like me.
12:06 regarding what key you should use to toggle climbing, it's actually possible to use "Spacebar" for both diving, and climbing!
In your keybind settings page, under "General" tab, set Dive to "Tap" and "Spacebar" while setting your Climb to "Hold" and "Spacebar". When set up like this, every time you tap your spacebar your helldiver would just dive, but holding down spacebar would let you go into climbing mode and not actually make your helldiver do the dive animation. I have been rocking this configuration for a long time now and can confirm it really does work very well. It just might take a bit of muscle memory to get used to holding down spacebar for when you are trying desperately to climb up a series of rocks to get atop a perch.
I did the exact same thing right after I started playing. I have large hands, so twisting my thumb under to alt was way too difficult and I would always end up hitting space anyway. Haven't touched it since and it's been great. It will be even batter now that I can finally turn off auto-clamber. Thank you, Devs!!!!!
Per Spitz and the Worlds team:
"Quote: "We unintendedly had non-linear scaling of the patrol spawns so they didn't spawn as often as they should have when less than 4 players. The intention is that 1 player has 1/4th of the patrols compared to 4 players, but it used to be that they had 1/6th." (The Worlds team)
"Hope this clarifies the change for everyone - we're not making the game arbitrarily harder!" (Spitz)
So we've inadvertently been playing on Easy mode compared to how they actually wanted spawns to work when scaling up from Solo to a full team. With this context, it's legitimately not a nerf, it's a balance adjustment. The real issue is: SHOULD they even have done this in the first place and did they even think it through as to how it might affect future player retention?
I'm still gonna play solo. I don't give a shit. 😆
It is also a very convinient excuse following the deserved shitstorm since the playerbase has no way to prove that.
No way I can believe that a 4 person has even 4x, much less 6x, the patrols of a solo...
Both your statement and TheOneandOnlyLUUUU’s statement make valid points. I guess we’ll see.
I think, I can believe that. A lot of automatons patrol end up stuck somewhere that's why you can fight less depending on their AI.
Even with this the issue is on the AI and not the count but I digress.
its managable i played helldive vs bugs, there is a diference but i still completed the mission it was okay, doing the hives or whatever their called (places with a ton of bug holes red circled on the minimap) felt really impossible tho
Theres a lot of concerning choices being made in this update
EDIT: I don't care about weapon nerfs all that much I just know my friends are gonna be less interested in hopping into duos or trios when they hear that there's going to be more patrols. Especially when said friends care more about nerfs than I ever did.
There’s a lot of concerns for the future of this game in general really hoping they don’t pull a helldivers 1 where a bug is too “complex” for them to fix so they just left it in there for the rest of the games life but tbh it already looks like arrowhead is going down that road again considering how bugged this game continues to get so yea shit weapon nerfs in a game that’s not PvP at all and a chance we may never see some bugs fixed 🤷very concerning
There really isn't. None of the nerfs directly impact power and there are many more buffs. You guys just want a cakewalk. Protip, game has that. Try level 3
@@bodkin7841it's not that, it's the fact that guns that felt good to use are just unviable now for one reason or another, while they dont really give reasons to use others.
Don't patch it up as just "wanting a cakewalk"
There are genuine concerns and genuine complaints
@@ceballos-exe there's many reasons to use other primaries. The reality is the eruptor was a support weapon with no cooldown. The benefit to a weapon doesn't ever need to be "shits on everything". The funny part is it still does lmao, just less ammo and yall already moan
@@bodkin7841Because why would I take a weapon that has a slow firerate and low ammo reserves when I have the autocannon.
I was hoping for bad guns becoming good, but this is just more good guns becoming bad. 😿
They must be taking tips from Bungie
They buffed all the weapons I like using, so to each their own
This is patently false lol. Arrowhead buffed a bunch of rarely used guns in this update. They are actively trying to prevent a "meta" where people only use a few guns. They will probably continue to nerf whatever is overused and buff anything underused and that's great news for players. It means we will have to switch things up and try out new weapons. Arrowhead is encouraging weapon diversity and experimentation in a big way that keeps it from being stale.
Yeah look at the change list, more weapons were buffed than nerfed
Helldivers, they should call it Nerfdivers, because that's about all they do. Just nerf everything that's good.
The patrol thing is so weird. I hate playing with randoms, so I only play with my friends, making it usually a 2 or 3 player game. :/
Just dropping a difficulty level should fix that increase in difficulty.
I haven't played yet after the update but i have a bad feeling that with Just me And my friend, we will have a problem with suicide difficulty.........
They’re not increasing the difficulties. Patrols were supposed to be the same from the start. The only changes you’re supposed to get at higher diff is the type of units. (Devastators, tanks, factory striders, amounts of objectives on the map). The patrols are now how they should have been.
@@mvpchae No, this is an increase in difficulty. They directly said they are adding *MORE* patrols when you have less players.
I agree
All of the ammo cap nerfs feel pretty icky imo, I'm not too fond of using ammo restriction as a balancing mechanic.
Ammo management in general is already a poor mechanic, I find the ammo economy was on the borderline of medium/difficult before.
Some guns, like the Dominator, had way too much ammo. I never ran out of ammo with it.
If you are running out of ammo for all your weapons every 2 and a half minutes with zero way of defending yourself, your doing something wrong XD
@@Harrizonio I love the dakka
Uhhh dude, call in a resupply pod please i beg you
The Eruptor nerf really came out of nowhere. Really looks like it just got way overhyped and balance changes were made according to the crowd noise. I always liked the Eruptor, but man, with that abysmal rate of fire, it was always at best a low-to-middle A tier pick, never S. Very FUN, but never really a top choice.
I just try on helldive. Yes, the AOE nerf a bit. But what more noticeable you will run a lot more to find ammo 😂.
Reload cancel it. It’s pretty fun to run and gun with it lol the nerf sucks though
I used it about a hour ago, and honestly its not bad right now. The only thing i noticed is that it just doesn't have more ammo than a rednecks basement anymore. About the same amount of ammo you would find in the back of a rednecks pickup, but not his basement.
The Eruptor always struck me as the ultimate objective gun for bugs. It’s my favorite weapon for closing nests, it can annihilate patrols in 3 shots, headshot to a nursing biles and commanders is a one shot, and if my buddy has got a bunch of bugs bearing down I’ll swing my weapon over, kill a bunch of them that would have added to his situation, then turn back to my shit and he’d make it through and we’d all move forward. I honestly hate playing without the eruptor because I’m so handy to the team with it, if I stop using it nests are alive longer, armored enemies live longer and everybody I play with would have to change their playstyle pretty dramatically.
It was a top tier primary weapon, it can kill bug holes and fabricators, and it had great ammo economy before, it’s still great for it’s job but it no longer eclipses all the other weapons since it has some real downsides for it’s benefits. It’s the best primary for alpha damage horde clear, long range sniping, the best primary for objective and base clear, but now it requires more consideration of it’s ammo economy along with being somewhat dangerous to use close range. Arrowhead has been getting a lot better with how it buffs and nerfs primaries
RIP Quasar my beloved
Im all for the gunship number decrease. Had a run last night where we ended up having almost a DOZEN in the sky, not counting the ground troops. It was literally impossible to do anything. You get called back in, teammate dies, call them in, rinse and repeat. It was insane.
Edit: sometimes you load in solo and only to be joined by random players. Therefore, your loadouts usually do not complement each other. I appreciate the ones in the responses being civil and giving positive criticism and advice.
For those that scream "SKILL ISSSUE"🤓.... Kindly, fuck off ♥
It will still be pretty tough because you come back in without your support to take them down, and they are always accurate as hell. Still, this should help quite a bit with the ridiculousness though.
and on difficulty level 5 or 6 to boot lol.
@@bretthousman8317 that's the part that always gets me. Drop into a helldive and it's literally a walk in the park, drop in at extreme and you're literally fighting tooth and nail till the extraction.
Good ol Helldivers
I know this feeling. You respawn and start bouncing around under a red a bright sky... forever.
I had a blitz mission, 12 minutes and wed be through all the factories we had to destroy. There was a spot that was open on the map so I dropped there and it was right in front of 2 gunship factories. Needless to say, it took us 10 minutes to even take care of the factory only to fail extracting after not being able to destroy the rest of the factories. Insane stuff. There mustve been at minimum 14/16 gunships in the sky at one time
Takibo, how does it feel being responsible for the solo queue changes?
You know that they saw your vids of you stomping T9 missions solo and were butthurt.
Never before has there been a mainstream game with the devs clearly as in competition against its own player base as this one
@@Tracker947 its alctually super annoying. i can barely play helldive with a full team, but its too easy?
@@Tracker947 thats why helldivers is awesome imo, right when you think you know how to take everything out the devs change stuff to make you work and figure out what works the best again
@@user-qh3zz1se7r Damn, it must taste pretty good
I’ve been grinding with a fire build. It secretly is very good vs the bugs since fire has recently been buffed. I’ve just find new tweaks here and there to improve myself.
They really nerfed the scorcher against walkers bruv
Went from 2-3 shotting to now 3-4 shotting on average. It's still good, but it can make or break a engagement in the most difficult mode.
BALANCE apparently means weapons hit like wet noodles
@@TheSouthern1crossyep
People can't have fun in this game, the moment they do, the weapon you use will get nerfed. This is the game. There was no one who cried about it, but they looked at the stats and people used it to much, so now they gave people the F... like always... and this will happen over and over again with every weapon until nothing will be usable.
And the punisher plasma still one shots this guys?
Anyone fine with the quasar change wasn't using it right. 5 seconds is huge when you're the only person damaging the bile titan or you miss the eye on the hulk.
While I do agree that the nerf hurts a little I'm still glad they didn't butchered my favourite quasar to the ground like what they did with the railgun.
Or there's 4 chargers to deal with
Compare the time to kill to the other support weapons that can kill titan.
No one is saying it isn't huge, but it was necessary. You shouldn't be the only person damaging the Bile titan, and missing a hulk's eye should have reprocussions other than, "I'll disengage for a few seconds and be fine."
i'm fine with it and used it all the time. weapon was broken and now it's much more of a hard choice which missile launcher to use.
Seems like they dont want you to do damage against the big units. Not too happy about the quasar nerf. The buff for railgun seemed just as bad as it was. Blitzer is really fun now. Diff 6 is worse than helldive diff
Well I needed a break anyways, I'll come back next warbond I guess
Sounds good to me.
Well quasar your out!
EAT get back in here 🏅
It just feels strange to me a co-op PVE game is getting so many % balance changes. Only stuff that genuinely tilts me is getting ragdolled and losing all control repeatedly
Mostly bad changes
Yeah, sometimes I'm like "can I play now, please?"
‘No nerfs only buffs’ > buff everything > balance destroyed and game trivialized > waste time buffing enemies and reigning in the numbers bloat you caused for the sake of vibes.
i agree. especially when they said they dont want a meta, and for all strategems to be viable
It's good in the long run. You want to make every gun have a good purpose so that even at end game you have good variety. Helps prevent rigid metas.
They really should stop nerfing weapoms that people loved, instead just buff those underpower weapons, it's a PvE game, there's no need for any "weapon balancing". These weapons are manufactured to give us new ways to kill either bugs or automatons, what's the point for nerfing those factors.
Thats the sad thing about it though because the devs has the mentality that everything has to be balanced out instead of buffing everything on par with every weapon. It is unfortunate but we just gotta deal with it mate.
They don't just nerf they nerf In some of the worst ways
I mean is fine nerfing stuff tooo meta, but do not do essentially pvp Nerf on a pve game
sure there is. balancing weapons in relation to enemies is what makes the game fun. imagine if every game just shredded everything easily there'd be no strategy. having strengths and weaknesses to everything is what makes everything enjoyable and establishes the tone of the game.
😂
Headshot change actually works on 100 armor value so light gunner for instance, tested with no vita boost unless mentioned. Format is ArmorValue, Number of Headshots taken, & HP remaining after(visual approximation). Used scavenger(wilbur) on an elevated platform so only headshots could be delivered.
100A 2HS 5%HP | 129A 2HS 15%HP | 150A 2HS 20%HP (VitaBoost 3HS 5%HP) | 200A 3HS 5%HP (VitaBoost 3HS 25% HP)
Some nice benefits on the low end, lackluster in the middle, and quite frankly not enough on the high end imo. 200 armor should be 4 headshots and live, and it can't do that even if we vita boosted, it does 25% of your hp per headshot at 200 armor while vita boosted.
Yoo thats huge, thanks so much for the info!
The infinite grenade glitch still works, you just have a "finite" amount of grenades when you do the glitch now. (over 4.2 billion grenades)
hardly enough!
@@boofe7206exactly
Scythe, laser cannon, and senator buffs make me happy, plus the senator got a dot sight now.
Blitzer is actually usable now.
Didn't laser cannon get a damage decrease on larger enemies
@@Cyounex it also got a damage increase.
Blitzer is a lot better but it really feels like they stealth nerfed it's stagger
@@skippyasqueezeoh that makes sense then nvm
The senator buffs made my day. Makes me feel real lucky when i dome a leaping hunter.
I think devs on any games are universally made to nerf things that does not need to be. I thought HD 2 devs was different but now, I don't know... I hope this will not continue in future updates
Do you seriously think the people who built and designed the whole game are incapable of properly patching and balancing it?
@@AlexMakesGames80Nothing suggests otherwise lmao
Yes I do
@@AlexMakesGames80can't fix match making issues, still haven't fixed fire over time affects bug, no fix for lock on, Introduced frame issues with new update, didn't fix grenade glitch even though they said they did with this update, still crashing. Couldn't get their spawn rates accurate until conveniently now. So no they can't
@@ashplattsii1fan92 go make hadesjumpers or some shit then. Jesus you people are insufferable. None of the weapon changes were bad in this patch and they already announced a hotfix this week fixing spear and other things
The Stalker cloak fix made them more scary than before. Now it's much harder to see them, especially in dense environments.
They nerfed the fucking crossbow? Bro im getting sick of these devs man. Anything thats fun they just dump on it. Crossbow was already barely used by anyone and they said you know what. Fuck it make it worse.
So the crossbow that was already useless was nerfed into the ground….
Not actually. The bolt velocity boost is massive. It's much easier to land shots at all distances now.
@@WeeRLegion People only see damage and fail to see that the weapon's biggest problem was the bolt velocity.
@WeeRLegion I used the cross bow for taking out huge amounts of bot swarms. Now that the explosion radius is decreased it struggles to clear more than one bot :/
@@1Yooter it could be a hitscan, but what's the point when all it does is push enemies around and barley kill them?
@@GameFuMaster Explosive crossbows don't typically carry a lot of umph. It does offer a decent fire rate and ergonomics compared to the Eruptor.
If I had to give an all-or-nothing score, this is a bad patch. They nerfed the most picked primary (not one op primary) + "sligthtly" buffed automatons + crapped on solo/duo players with the spawn-rates increase. I personally expected the Qasar cannon to get nerfed, but +5 secs of cooldown seens like the "railgun treatment". Putting in as few words as possible: it seens to me that ArrowHead is failing to grasp how much something needs to get changed.
Meanwhile anything with fire is still bugged six ways to sunday, nearly every other game my camera bugs out and I can only see from some crazy birds eye view or under the map, 70% of available weapons are straight up garbage but yeah lets't increase patrols for some reason. If they keep going like this they will be like every other live service dev after all. Hey our players are having fun but all those bugs and glitches are kinda ruining it, I know let's do some random nerfs and buffs so it looks like we are doing something.
The changes to patrol spawns actually are way less bad than they sound. It's still very easy to get around all of the bot patrols, just a slight bit more annoying to deal with static objectives.
@@TheOneAndOnlyLUUUU At least for the fire damage they have changed that "known issue" line to "we expect to get it fixed with the next patch"
First there is zero evidence the eruptor was ever the most picked primary, I most consistently had a balance of all weapons on my teams. Second saying the quasar got the "Railgun" treatment is just disingenuous, assuming you think (as I do) that the railgun had gotten gutted to the point of being barely used, how has that happened to the quasar? Its still a convenient infinite ammo recoiless rifle able to kill or maim most threats in one shot. It takes a little longer to fire again but its still way faster that waiting for EATs to come off cooldown XD
Third are you saying they gutted the eruptor and quasar because you have used them first hand in-game and they felt bad? Or are you just saying the nerf is unjustified without actually experiencing the nerf like the majority of players do. (Case in point: people saying the breaker and slugger were made useless but they themselves never actually used them)
I find it so ironic that people say arrowhead dont know what they or doing or dont play the game themselves when the people saying that never actually play to test the changes while the devs most likely did XD
nah, not as bad as railgun.
It's not a good nerf IMO, but your damage is still the same, unlike when the railgun actually got nerfed.
nerfing solo play = losing players. My mates stopped playing atm and soloing feels awful - even worse with this nerf. Strange devs add solo mode and make it unenjoyable as possible
This is unironically a skill issue man. They don’t want it to be impossible, they just want it to be more of a challenge.
@@areafurrynone1913 If you want the game to be more challenging, prepare to lose players. Some of us actually have jobs and lives outside of this game. We play PvE games to chill and relax after an often hard day. Not sweat and stress over pixels.
@@TheGuyWithTheSniper theres 10 difficulties to freely choose from you know
@@TheGuyWithTheSniper difficulty level?
@@TheGuyWithTheSniper to be clear, you specifically play helldive difficulty to chill and relax and are incapable of playing on, say, suicide difficulty? what is it a pride thing?
Nerf solo play? You know how difficult it is to clear each map solo in the first place? 😵
I don't particularly mind the nerfs they did, but I am worried. This isn't a game I play for difficulty or strategy. There are too many bugs and janky mechanics for me to take it seriously. These nerfs seem like they are intended to make things more "challenging", but I ask you this.
What is more difficult about killing bots/bugs slower each patch? It's not like we are using real strategy, even at helldiver difficulty because the bots/bugs aren't smart enemies. This game feels like it's losing the reason it grasped me. To be an elite soldier that is akin to Achilles in combat capabilities. The challenge being introduced by consistent nerfs is really concerning.
Exactly how I feel. Making it harder for no reason. Add in the poor glitches and it's quickly losing it's original appeal.
Making a habit of nerfing weapons that come in PAID Warbonds is BS.
MORE patrols in SOLO play? Wtf?!
You know there’s a difficulty slider right? You can just not play at Helldive difficulty. Even I do that sometimes cuz I play the game for fun. Although I dunno about the sweats and tryhards but I enjoy the game regardless if I complete the mission or not.
why are you paying real money for warbonds, SC falls out of the damn sky. skill issue
You forget that powerful weapons like the laser cannon (already good against bots and bugs) have been buffed
Its more that items NEED to be balanced and if something is stronger than intended it gets nerfed.
If you "abused" that imbalance be happy about it, but it wont last.
The Jar-5 dominator literally just got good, it just got usable after the buff, cmon maaaaaaaaaan
For real, how are they going to buff it and then immediately nerf it!? 😂
The trifecta of scorcher dominator and eruptor were all good in their own right and have their better scenario. I have zero idea why need to nerf those 2
Oh no, 25 less damage, its so unusable now, come on, I can garuntee that damage change will affect very niche scenarios
@@sentryion3106 these changes have barely if at all changed their effectiveness on average.
@@Harrizonio youre just blatantly putting words into my mouth lol, so shameless, dont do that. I never said that its unusable, my entire point is that its so strange that they buff it to the point where it was actually really solid to then immediately nerf it when it clearly wasnt OP. Thats my entire point, never said that its now unusable. Its still worth using because the buff was alot greater than the nerf, but once again that wasnt my point.
The helldivers 2 cycle:
Buy a warbond for the one good weapon they have in the tree
enjoy the weapon for 3 weeks
weapon is nerfed into the ground
repeat
I love this game but no one can tell me again these guys listen to feedback, this patch is so out of touch even if you like it lol
@9:05 - That nerf was for the eruptor and the arc thrower. They both could perm stagger hulks.
I call that answering the problem
The arcthrower can still stagger a hulk though.
i love how they say they they dont want there to be a "meta" and all strategems to be viable, but keep nerfing the crap out of everything good. i was also told there was no change in difficulty between 1 and 4 players, due to it being a squad based game, it doesnt need to be easier at all for solo players.
I mean, if everything is just the same version of bad, then there is no meta as well.
Also for solo play versus squad play, it really made a huge difference, even tho we always were told that it would be better to work with a squad. And in theory that is true, you have more damage and a bigger variey of stratagems to deal with different situations. But in practice, especially against bots, you really could feel the difference. Having less patrols made the map a lot easier to traverse, and even bot drops were a lot easier to deal with. At least the flare ones, because scripted bot drops, like in the eradicate mission or for the geological survey mission always had the same number of dropships.
isn't it just arbitrarily harder for solo players now? Since there are more patrols with less players?
Bro I'm running smoke stafing run and airburst without support weapon and is doing just fine. Don't want to to say it but yall be complaining
@@GameFuMaster no, use your head and read the patch. They corrected an accidental buff applying to solo players, who had 1/6 of the spawns not 1/4 like youd expect. This means solo was actually easier than 4man at times
Quasar nerf is over the top. A slightly longer cooldown I get like 1-2 seconds, but 5 , let alone on higher difficulties is just…ugh.
Maybe if they just could buff weaker weapons for once instead of just nerfing “what’s the player base using”?
This exactly.
If you want to split people off from using the quasar, find what role it is filling and buff the other things that do that role.
Reduce the call in time on the EAT.
Fix the spears aiming/reload speed/ammo economy.
I don't even use the quasar and that Nerf bugs me. Because it highlights a poor way of looking at balancing.
Please count for us how many weapons got nerfed and how many buffed.
Dominator is my primary of choice lately, just took it for a usual diff 7 five - performs exactly as before, at least for bugs.
I'm gonna pick Eruptor more though, I was 100% sure they gonna nerf it to the ground but they just made missing shots less forgiving. I can live with that as long as I can oneshot at will those damned nursing spewers.
It’s not even a big nerf, it goes from a shot every 13 seconds (10+3 windup) to every 18 seconds (15+3 windup). It still has infinite ammo, great damage, no backpack, benefits from cold planets, reloads itself even while sprinting.
Do you remember the shield backpack nerf? Don’t people still run it, it’s still good, just not OP. You see other backpacks and weapons as well now though. It’s like that. You’ll forget it was nerfed in a week
maybe they want team to coordinate and... stay together :)
Its stil the best anti tank optiom by a mile. You didn’t expect the weapon 50% of players pick to be nerfed?
I would love a video that showcases/tests all the changes on different enemies. Particularly the changes to the armor pen of the railgun, whether the scorcher can still deal with striders and if the arc thrower can still stunlick hulks. :) love your videos, keep up the great work.
arc thrower can not stun hulks anymore
@@davidballantyne4492 oof, that hurts. Thank you for letting me know
Some people are upset about nerfing weapons in a co-op game, I'm perfectly fine with all that. What I'm not so fine with is this massive increase to patrol spawning in solo. If what I got to play briefly on difficulty 7 and 8 is any indication, that 50% increased patrol spawn crosses a line into making the game a constant onslaught which I didn't find as fun. I hope it was just a bad couple of missions because if it's like this I don't think I want to keep playing solo, and will instead spend that time playing Fallout New Vegas and other games. If the devs want to encourage people to play multiplayer they should work on making multiplayer a better experience rather than work on making solo a worse experience.
Annnnnnnd I quit another game...
Well, see you tomorrow when you'll realise how unconsequantial these nerfs actually are.
@@Axel23410 quasar cannon is my favorite to use, so not really. Adding 5 sec. That thing is going to be a hard pass now.
I mean, I've tested these weapons and none aren't as "bad" if you haven't touched it. The only one that's worth mentioning is the quasar, since its not hard to image how slow it takes now than the other weapon changes. Like the Dom is relatively unchanged, albeit losing 25 damage.
@@d1rtyr3d18 ikr it's a shame that it still do the same amount of dmg, has infinite ammo, and you don't have to reload it.
🤣 lmao
What the hell are they doing bro????
Man I was avoiding the crossbow cause people were saying it’s trash. I try it myself yesterday and think I find my new primary…then the devs close lined me out of nowhere.
Fun gameplay detected, nerf applied
They just need to change the crossbow so that it can deal with fabricators and for the love of god open containers. It fricking explodes, why does that flimsy container stay shut?
I hate that they're making it harder for smaller groups. It's hard AF to get a decent group of 4 players. I usually play with 1 or 2 other players or solo. Why make the game even worse when the group is smaller??!
I doubt the devs play test their game at this point, they’re just nerfing things to “balance” them but it just comes across as if they don’t know what they’re doing ☠️
Edit: The most general response to being displeased to useless changes is “skill issue” and while that can be the case, being ignorant and choosing to ignore how bad weapons are (the heavy machine gun) just shows how you don’t really know what you’re doing and yeah they’re usable anything is, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s just bad
Just ego idiots.They are all hero's on the keyboard,and they probably suck at the game.
Damn these devs, they have never ever ever EVER buffed anything. Ever. Not once.
They most likely have priorities and they are a small dev team, perhaps they have been planning on buffing other things but they just dont have the time to, since you know, they are a ~100 dev team working on a live service game that is pumping out new things nearly every other week for on average 200k players while also having to wait for sony to give them the go ahead on updates
@@Harrizonio Then these games should not be released until they are finished.period.
Nerfing and changing things in a game after it has been purchased is pure BS,and not a sound investment.
Tired of hearing the pathetic excuses as to why these devtards cannot do their jobs properly,and keep releasing broken janky souless garbage.
Not worth my dime anymore.games were better in the 80's and 90's,now you just get pretty graphics,and crashy janky garbage gameplay.
Keep your garbage.
@@Harrizonio they’re no longer a sub-100 dev team, they confirmed on their discord that they’ve employed more people, so far still not convinced they can’t play test the weapons they’re actively ‘balancing’ and I never said they haven’t buffed anything, it’s just that the buffs they have done are sub-par and feel more like quick fixes to keep people happy until they test the weapons themselves, I appreciate everything everyone does no matter their job or position, so that little passive aggressive start was unnecessary
@@DivineHotdog Ive been reading comments for the past 20 minutes so im sorry for the passive aggressiveness (also kinda explains me slightly missing your point but its not an excuse), point still stands. Even 200 devs making enough content to add every couple weeks is still miles above what the gigantic AAA dev teams tend to do.
Personally I see nothing massively wrong with these changes at all. I'll gladly refute any you think are bad but you can agree, not a single nerf here changes the weapons as anywhere near as drastically as the first railgun nerf
Really sad for the Quasar Cannon and Eruptor nerfs, but we must feel sadder for all those bugs and robots for not understanding what freedom really means. Stay strong Helldivers
5 sec longer cooldown between shots very unfun nerf. Old cooldown in very intence situations seemed too long now it will be eternity... Quasar Cannon was my pick because it shoots automatically when it's ready. I guess for most people Quasar Cannon and Railgun has similar or maybe the same shooting mechanic but for my brain they are like day and night.
Very disappointing
I dislike the difficulty increase for everyone not in a 4 squad group. And before you say to just lower difficulty, remember that Super Rare samples are locked to 7+ difficulty missions.
Since this pushes a lot of people out of being able to play the difficulties with Super Rares, it also means that newer players will have a much harder time getting the very samples that allows them to get the ship modules that make surviving difficulty 7+ much easier.
The pod redirection upgrade alone makes it so much easier to get out of a death spiral situation.
Arrowhead explained that the solo players were mistakenly only getting 1/6 the patrols. This is now corrected to 1/4 the patrols. They aren't arbitrarily making solo harder than squad.
Also, suggesting that you need ship upgrades to make high levels playable is balogna. The only one that makes much difference is the extra eagle drop and I don't think it even requires super samples. Unlocking guns and strategems is the only barrier to high difficulties besides skill.
@jakemaxwell3810 Having more Divers in the Squad isn't a linear increase in their capabilities. A two person team is capable of putting out twice the firepower while taking twice the amount of damage before being defeated, thus two people are roughly four times as capable as one. That's not even getting into how seperate team members can specialize where solo players have to cover every role.
It just makes sense to have nonlinear scaling.
You hit the nail on the head with this one buddy.
@@Kattbirb I never said this was 'more exactly perfectly scaled to the ability of a single player' and I don't think that it should be. The game was designed around co-op play and that's why many of us got the game and how it developed such a great community. You can still play solo if you want, but it doesn't need to be the exact same difficulty. Diving solo should be harder, and it is. That's fine. You can run a lower difficulty if you're having problems, so I don't see the concern.
@jakemaxwell3810 A huge concern is that that will put a huge gatekeeping block on players who's friends are either not online or have left the game and don't have the ability to clear levels 7+ solo. Saying that they have to play on difficulties that don't give the rewards they need or having to play with randos if they have crippling anxiety issues is not OK.
It's nowhere near the level of bait-and-switch that Darktide dropped on players, but that doesn't make it fair for people who paid for the game.
The Quasar nerf is just silly
It was too slow to begin with to be more as a niche weapon you have once in your team, like to down dropships every now and then. Now it's just useless.
Yeah. I was already running in circles to recharge it. I guess I’ll be doing another lap or two now. It seemed perfectly reasonable as it was.
It's too much, they likely wanted to make it not feel like an upgrade to the EAT, but instead they basically made the EAT the go-to weapon again. Huge L.
You still have more real shots per minute than every other anti tank option. When 2 players in every game have a Quasar it was obviously going to be nerfed because its CLEARLY superior.
@@MiGujack3 you get 3.5 shots per minute with the Quasar and less than 2 with EAT. This is why devs don’t listen to player opinions.
11:33 you can shoot that light above you shining on the terminal so that you can actually see the terminal btw
Giving me Diablo 4 season 2 patch vibes…
The Senator revolver is my go-to sidearm, medium armor pen, one or 2 well placed shots takes down most basic enemies, sometimes 3 or 4 for terminids, then switching back to the sickle
They really are discouraging solo play with this patch.
Ngl. With every patch its 1 step forwards and 2 steps backwards. Hasn't gotten to the point where I'd outright quit yet but am certainly getting less and less excited to play. Pushing solo players to play quickmatch by making their life miserable for no reason will simply make them move on to other things.
I'm a solo diver and unfortunately this is the end for me.
Change the difficulty, you can do that.
@@123fakestreettt Refund the game, already did that- john ex-helldiver.
That logic just doesn't work if you give a shit.
Already have.No need to waste my time with stupid shit like this trash game when I have better ones to play.
First and last game I ever get from these arrowhead devtards.
I'm actually dreading every patch now, lol. But you are right, I'll take a break and try again later.
The Scout Striders now require 2 Auto Cannon shots to kill. Nades also no longer kill them in one. This was the worst change in this patch imo cause Striders before this buff could swarm you if you didn't control them or if you ran out of nades and didn't bring the AC. I actually stopped using the Quasar in favor of the AC because of Striders and it was fun and very satisfying to one shot them with it. Who wanted this buff and why was it necessary? Why are we buffing the bots when they already scare away more than half the player base?
I haven't tested it, but you're telling more an impact that hits them from behind can no longer one shot? Or you're just saying generally from the front.
This is a good point that I think is missed. We already see 30+% of the player base on bug missions with bot major orders. Making them more difficult to deal with in any way is not going to address that problem.
Hold up, wait a minute. They actually buffed bots?
@@soksocks Don’t know if it’s just me but a direct shot with an AC to the back of a Strider no longer kills it. It can sometimes take 3 shots as well if you hit them center mass. If you hit them near the top of their front plate, it’ll take 2.
@@theragingsky My thoughts exactly. I don’t know what this buff is for. Who thought the Striders were too weak and why? Who thought the regular Devastators weren’t firing fast enough? I don’t get the point or need for these seemingly random buffs to a group of enemies a lot of the player base already finds annoying and unfun to play against.
Yeah I love arrowheads PR but man their balance team needs to be told not to just nerf the most popular weapons for the sake of it every balance patch
Funny enough, I view these changes as a real-time effect of the war. Enemies are upgrading their armor at a cost to some offensive weapons, Super Earth is running lower on resources and needed to cut back on certain things, or supply lines were affected by enemy attacks, and we have gotten upgrades to fend against enemy attacks.
The Eruptor is the best hole/fabricator killer in the game right now, because its a primary, with long range and little falloff. Im not sure if it plugged holes when it came out, but it does now.
It does that when it's first introduced
I love this game, it's the most fun I've had playing for a long time. This nerd thing of every weapon that the community finds enjoyable is such a buzzkill. Why are you restricting players?
yeah honestly everyone should just be able to nuke the entire planet and have no boundaries or challenge whatsoever
The game is more enjoyable when it's challenging and not a cakewalk shooting gallery. Go to level 3 if you want to feel powerful off spawn
Go play dark souls you cocky brat@bodkin7841
They are bringing the weapons in line with each other so they are all viable choices. I don't want to be in more lobbies with 4 quasar cannons because it's just the best weapon. Now we have a reason to try other things. That's why the underused weapons got buffed. Try something you weren't using before. It's probably better than you think. And if it's too hard, turn down the difficulty - that's why there's nine levels.
@@bodkin7841 But there would be near infinite other ways to make it more challenging, than just nerfing all the fun out of a shooter game, by making the guns have VERY little ammo, or make the gun do less damage than if you would just THROW the bullets at the enemy.
Just increasing the amount of enemies by 25% and/or replacing some trash mobs (the smallest bugs & bots) with their bigger variants.. just those 2 changes would make the game harder, arguably even harder than just nerfing some guns damage by 7%. While still keeping the fun of 1 shotting the small enemies and watch the bits fly in every direction.. you know, making the guns feel strong.
Cause if they keep this direction, soon one single Charger or Hulk is all thats gona spawn in a map, but cause all weapons have been nerfed into oblivion, it takes the whole squad and several resupply calls, to take it down.. fun ?
12:07 I recommend having them all as the same bind (Spacebar) but having it so you have to double tap to dive. It took awhile to get used to, but it works wonders.
The change to patrols is actually not that bad, they explained it better on their discord patch notes, idk why steam is different, but there are supposed to be 1/4th the amount of patrols as a solo compared to in party of 4, what was actually happening was there was about 1/6th of the patrols. So they increased it, to the intended 1/4th, when comparing to a party of 4
Clearly a *Fun detected * patch that has 80% of the community pissed off and left everyone wondering wtf are they thinking . Maybe if the devs actually played the game they would have a better understanding of what they are tuning/breaking . Even with the nerfs /buffs everyone is still going to be using the same 2/3 weapons and nothing has actually changed aside from proving to the community how the devs like to micro manage the player base for no logical reason . Facts !
They do play the game though
@@lilcatguy8317 Doubt it. Seems too out of touch.
@@ikmalkamal5830 have you seen how much the devs respond to people?
Arrow head please fucking ask ghost ship on how to balance weapons for pve games. Make everything fun and good so that there isn't a "meta" that needs to be nerfed to the ground so we have to choose the next best option because everything else is shit. We just want to have fun
same loadout on DRG for past 3 years, still 100% happy
There is always going to be a meta anyway..because there is always going to be a item more usefull then the other
Just completed a few missions. Ran the good ‘ol Eruptor, Laser Rover and Quasar combo with Redeemer.
Did I notice the nerfs? Yes
Did I die a single time (on lvl9)? No
Did I consistently have a high kill count? Yes
Will I continue running this loadout as my main? Absolutely
I really enjoy your Helldivers content. Keep it coming!
Even when they add something in their patchnote it doesn't work. The victory pose at the end is still played by all players, even the ones that failed extraction. Those devs are starting to look like a joke after the 4th tier ship modules not working as intended... for weeks.
Yet they've fixed it. Quicker than most teams with upwards of 1000 devs while they only have 100 devs. Most teams would take a month minimum and 3 months at max. And you wanna know why they probably dont work? Because they dont usually have the time to 100% test a feature in a game they have to constantly be developing for on a scale they never expected while under the pressure of SONY
Also I find it hilarious you have a gripe with a feature that doesnt impact your experience with the game whatsoever and if they didnt mention it in the patch notes you wouldnt have cared at all, your nit picking it what Im saying
The 4th resuply module is still not fixed, even if it says so in the patchnotes.
Same with grenades.
Same with poses etc
Devs are just incompetent and are actively pushing away players with these unneccesary nerfs and changes.
@@the_real_toji lol thats hilarious because your actually wrong XD. I had an empty autocannon pack and refilled it all with one resupply. Hence why I said "yet they fixed it"
@@the_real_toji The emote thing is actually just a nitpick at that point, it doesnt affect your experience at all. And as for the grenades, perhaps it doesnt show incompetency but instead how hard patching bugs can actually be especially when you dont 100% know what causes the bug
@@the_real_toji Please tell me how you found out the module doesnt work. Im wagering you didnt actually check for yourself and just took someones word for it XD
Tap space for dive, hold space for climbing. That is what i am using, and maybe it works out for you as well
It would appear arrowhead wont be happy until we are dropping with only flashlights on helldive. Considering how these nerfs are rolling in
Bruh the Quasar already takes a long time to charge adding another 5 seconds is going to kill the gun, well for me at least
Saw the writing on the wall a while back.
I think people need to actually try the things they changed rather than having a reactionary take on them. There are a fair number of changes I don’t like, namely the eruptor ammo nerf, but for the most part I think everything else is fine barring a few things but I don’t expect to agree on everything they do. I haven’t tested out all the weapon changes yet, but the ones I have tried don’t seem to be as big of a deal as everyone keeps saying, especially the quasar cannon change. Some weapons that were nerfed even got a buff, like the crossbow having a smaller explosion radius but faster projectiles and more stagger. It might be a bigger deal for people who use the crossbow regularly but I usually switched between various weapons instead of using the same one over and over again.
I also noticed that your character salutes now when you are ready during stratagem loadout screen. But man that quasar nerf caught me off guard...
A shit ton of nerfs to weapons that didnt need them, slight buffs to weapons that needed big buffs and harder solo play at all difficulties...yeah...Arrowhead is going down the same road Battle state did, and i have no doubt in my mind eventually will end up in the same place.
"Shit ton of nerfs" about 3 out of 24 weapons were substantially nerfed and a few others had a balance of nerfs and buffs. And "slight buffs", Id rather something get a little buff as a proof of concept than a big buff that throws the balance all out of wack.
As for the solo difficulty thing, they stated the spawns were easier than intended. Simple. If you find it too hard, nothing is stopping your from reducing your difficulty
@@Harrizonio "reduce diffoculty" im already killing 250 enemies on level 3 i can solo 7 with some issue but im at the point i HAVE to play 7 and up or else i dont ge progression so YOU might be able to lower difficulty but i can not woth out it being a waste of time
@@inqufox1750 Then perhaps start playing with others? It is designed with a team in mind. And dont go "well thats not fair they should also think about solo players" Tons of games are basically required to be a good team player and not solo but no one complains about that. Example: every competitive game ever
If it really annoys you that much then all I can suggest is that you watch solo guides or videos to learn from? Stealth, big booms etc. Its meant to be hard and close to impossible in some cases, its meant to be a struggle, thats the point. It sucks that there are resources locked behind 7 and up but again, just play with randoms. I can garuntee they can even sometimes carry
@@Harrizonio you mean the solo dive videos where they get 50 kills and the enemies ignore them? Or the solo dives ehrre three gun ship basrs are 5 inches from each other and they get 1 maybe 2 spawns? Yeah those are less the helpful. I have played with randos i have been carried by a level 11 and yes i do get kicked more often then not. I seem to have play a different game to everypne else ive even tried Ervins stealth guid stuff eith smokes and other things and still get got by 10 enemies through smokes
Senator gang stand up
If they are saying that the mob spawn rate for solo will be more noticeable at higher difficulties, then it's gonna be nearly non stop pats. Even as low as medium, it's near impossible not to get swamped.
As for what button to bind for climbing, I'd recommend binding TAP Spacebar for diving, and HOLD Spacebar for climbing.
Also the arc thrower no longer staggers hulks after they buffed their stagger resistance
Welp.... That was the easiest way to deal with hulks on higher difficulties when no one with a quasar was around. Smh
@@mickiemang2621 even then, quasar isn't the only anti-tank for hulks. Like I'm not saying its a skill issue on your part, but I rather use an AMR while being pressured than the arc thrower. BUT yes, it was the easiest way to handle multiple hulks, but wasn't efficient if they had backup .
@@mickiemang2621you can still bring an autocannon or lasercannon and shoot the eye or if that's too hard while under fire you can shoot the arms or legs off the weaken it.
@@mickiemang2621 Rockets takes 2 shots to blow a hulk up in the front or 1 shot in the eye. They are not the most effective weapons dealing with a hulk. AC, railgun and LC are more effective.
Why explosions still makes you go towards the explosions and not away?
no its not anymore, at least from my game
Keybind recommendation - I use space for both diving and climbing - set dive to tap and climb to hold.
Yes to the Senator speed reload. I was wondering why it only took 2-3seconds for it to fully reload compared to the usual 5-10 business days. Was able to dominate Terminid hives with my trusty ol' 6 shooter.
Arc Blitzer feels good. Erruptor did not deserve the nerf...and neither did Queso cannon.
Quasar was way too strong. It made EAT and recoilless obsolete and was carried by at least half of the players in every team.
@kumarsalib722 Are we playing the same game? EAT was head to head with Quasar and a lot of people brought it all the time lol. Recoiless isn't picked because Quasar is good, Recoiless isn't picked because it's a trash gun
@@qwertyq4073 No, it was most definitely not picked because quasar is good do not fool yourself. They do the same damage, recoilless is just less convenient since you have to like, actually reload lmao. Recoilless can put out shots much quicker and is overall better, people just want to be as brain-off fire and forget as possible
The eruptor nerf hit me like a truck but I was experimenting with other weapons.......so I guess this is another reason to keep doing so
I already thought that the quasar cannon was a bit slow, but adding an additional five seconds is CRAZY. Now it's reserved for, what, the stationary turrets?
Dont know if this was mentioned but there seems to be an issue with the plasma punisher and the sheild back pack where if youre shield is active the punisher plasma will deal damage to you when you shoot. I think it hits your sheild
The devs have whined a lot about the difficulties of having this unexpected success and large playerbase. Good news for them, they won't need to worry about that much longer if they insist on ruining the fun with every balance patch.
Yea they are so worried about making the game harder that it’s gonna kill majority of the player base
Well when you put it that way, it makes sense now. Apparently they don't like having a large playerbase. What are the odds huh...
Once again, developers who are allergic to buffing the bad weapons and will instead nerf the good ones.
😂
Except they buffed way more weapons than they nerfed in this patch.....
the net buffed 4x the amount of weapons they net nerfed
@@Axel23410they nerf the weapons that give you a better shot in the game and buff the shitty weapons. Lazy.
Did you watch the video?
Eruptor nerf wasn’t that bad imo, atleast for how I use it. It always had atleast 6 mags left in it and usually sat around 9. As for the AOE falloff, I mostly used the eruptor for medium enemies and the couple times I go for crowd damage I aim for where the shrapnel will do the most damage
12:00 You can try binding both dive and climb to spacebar, but setting dive to Tap and climb to Hold button. Been using these binds since i got the game and they work pretty well.
May go against popular opinion, not sure what it is at the moment, but the Eruptor change may have been a slight net buff. The utility is still there, can still close bug holes and explode fabricators. The mag reduction does hurt... but with the very slow RoF, I think I saw the calculation out there that you would have had to shoot constantly for close to three minutes to burn through all the clips.
The reduction of AoE is a double-edged sword. Yes, it will no longer be able to down a scout strider by hitting the front plate. However, it is a primary weapon. And as a primary weapon, if the enemies got in close range of you or your teammates it is useless. Coupled with the implosion fix, the Eruptor may now actually be more viable as a primary. Just need to pair it with the right strats.
Also, since the AoE is smaller, does that mean the concentration of damage is increased? If so, would that mean it will perform even better versus bigger enemies?
Been running eruptor/ grenade launcher with orbit laser and railcannon on bugs and bots. Can destroy everything. This sucks
@@adamioppolo1884 I’ve been running it with the arc. But if I coupled it with the grenade launcher, why would I need the AoE? Maybe I am missing something. My apology if I am misunderstanding.
I will never understand nerfing instead of bringing weapons up.
Nerfing is always going to piss people off. Instead if you make the other weapons better you can lure people towards different play styles.
You don't need to nerf the quasar, you need to buff alternatives for the quasar.
exactly. but room temp iq contrarians will hate to see people having fun "overusing" a gun
Devs don’t want players being too powerful against enemies, which is what only buffing would lead to.
the game would become too easy.. and then they buff enemies to compensate, and then all weapons feel weaker. there has to be a balance point.
@darkstar4494 it's a pve game little dude. The game basically has a dungeon master that can tweak spawn rates of enemies. Nerfing the player bases tools is a stupid path to go
@@komplex6081increasing spawn rates isn’t going to solve any problem if we can just one shot them. Just because it’s a PVE game doesn’t fact that stuff needs to get nerf. Look at Destiny or warframe where stuff gets nerf all the time to balance the game.
@@komplex6081 So you’re suggesting that they only buff weapons, but make the game more difficult by spawning more enemies.
Have you considered there is a limit to how many enemies can be spawned without affecting performance?
But more importantly, does that make it more fun? Instead of 3 bile titans, now there’s 6, and you can mow them down easily?
You think that’s a good outcome?
I know this probably isn’t a popular opinion, but the quasar needed the nerf now other AT options are viable. It’s still really good it’s an unlimited ammo AT weapon. If you want to fire faster now there’s actually a reason to bring the recoilless.
I love this game because it was a breath of fresh air from warframe
But it would appear they're gonna balance just like de
Disappointing...
It's like Scott started working at AH with these changes. That fucker is the reason why I quit warframe. Fingers crossed they turn it around next patch.
@@Moostar95 the new dev team at de is just as bad ...
They need to have someone that actually plays this game alot on the balance team. Most of these changes seem useless/out of left field because most people don't use 90% of the weapons anyways. Whats the point of a minor buff/nerf to any of them, people wont start using anything but a breaker or a scorcher without large buffs.
Next Takibo video: The solo nerf makes helldive impossible!
Takibo video in a week: Insane 3000+ Kill Solo Helldive
They basically nerfed my loadout which wasn't even meta (Sickle, Las 99, Guard Dog). Cheers Arrowhead
I am on of those "eager grenade throwers".
Negative grenades? No
4.3 BILLION grenades? YES!
Really turning me
Off and making me not want to play it with all the tweaks they do it’s still not pay to play but it seems a little fishy how they change things around every other month
Just in time for a new warbond
12:06 You can leave your diving keybind on space and put it on 'tap' and put your climbing keybind on space too but on 'hold'. That's how I use them and the don't conflict with one another.