Helldivers 2 - HMG is Still a Weapon (Helldive Solo)
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- Helldivers 2 - HMG is Still a Weapon (Helldive Solo)
There's no way to slice it, the HMG needs more ammo, a faster reload and potentially less recoil or maybe just a centered red dot. You'll spend more time reloading than shooting.
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"This support weapon feels weaker than the JAR. Not that the JAR is strong though, please don't nerf i-"
"Understood, Helldiver! Nerfing the JAR Dominator's damage to 95, taking five rounds out of the magazine, increasing reload time by a second and lowering armor pen at close range!"
Helldiver we got a sponsorship deal from nerf
all helldivers gun are replaced with nerf guns to keep that pg rating
*man eaten alive from bug*
High Command: smells like liber-tea
@@black_ghost1215 there’s a planet-wide transmutation circle on Hellmire, we’ll be the fuel and a major order telling us to defend it with nerf guns will be the delivery mechanism.
Make it explode on reload cancels too xD
DeMoCrAcY oFFiCeR
You forgot removing 2 from the reserve.
The best aspect of the HMG is it makes you realize the standard MG-43, given to you in the tutorial, is a good gun.
felt that, I'm better off with the machine gun and just getting behind hulks to kill them
the MG and precision orbital strike are actually top tier, people sleep on them
I'll need to try the MG now that the ammo upgrade works, getting only 1 mag on resupply packs before was so painful. Should be easier to let the lead fly now.
Only thing I dont like about the original machine guns is the slow ergonomics compaired to all other weapons. Sometimes feels like I am trying to swing a HMG emplacement around to kill that 1 stalker sniffing in my ear.
Other than that they have awsome sustainability especially with supply pack but with the current slow aim not really better than say drone with laser cannon combo and either dominator or sickle on cooldowns.
@@Raven5431 the ergonomics is fine, it's no worse then the AMR which is fucking AMAZING against bots btw, (seriously, it's fantastic, i basically destroy all devs with it between 1-3 shots and it can kill a bezerker in 2-4 shots really quickly)
We balance some guns so that you can use other weapons.
The other weapons:
Most weapons are in a good place, this is an exception.
@@sirgaz8699 i'd say some weapons are in a good place, most are ok. then there's the hmg
@@sirgaz8699 most weapons are bad
@@Bopiz787learn to play
@@AGOGOATHOTH learn not being a bootlicker
"The problem isn't beating missions, it's having fun on missions"
100% right there brother!
Players: Man, the HMG is so bad.
Arrowhead: We hear you. [Railgun gets nerfed again]
I'm getting flashbacks to my Lol days and the 'better nerf irelia' memes
@@DarkSol16 Yeh where Irelia only got nerfed like twice in 10 years to a dozen buffs and was always good but people cried anyway.
You conpleted a solo helldive witb hmg? "We feel the machine gun is to easy to shoot we decided to remove the 3rd person crosshair. We also reduced the mag to 2 as it's more realistic."
You have the wrong mindset dude. Those balances were needed, cope.
@@shilombaba You know the community's got toxic positivity bad when you can't tell if comments like this are irony or not. lol
@@shilombaba Think you might have the copium habit here. Explain to the handful of crossbow enthusiasts why their niche toy needed to be even worse.
@@shilombabauno reverse
@@rhetro777because it was preforming crowd clearing on par with support weapons like the grenade launcher while taking a primary slot. Simple as.
Yeah they gave it a reticle which was nice, but this gun needs to either be doing 3x more damage per bullet, or have 3x more ammo per mag.
Yeah, two bullets to take down a bot raider is not it.
More ammo. The HMG only has 75 rounds per magazine. That's not an MG. That's an insult.
The 'Get Some!' Achievement sets the bare minimum requiring 150 rounds to be fired in a single continuous burst. That's the kind of 'volume by fire' that an MG is meant to fulfill.
The ammo count per magazine for an MG in HD2 is 150 MINIMUM. Otherwise it's an AR with an extended mag.
@@graveyardshift6691 There's both pros and cons to this. A larger magazine count means a larger magazine. The idea is that each MG gets progressively larger rounds. If I had to put an IRL equivocal to them (I'm not claiming this is what the guns in game are calibered in) it'd be like the Stalwart is shooting the 5.56mm, the MG-43 is shooting a 7.62mm, and the HMG is shooting an 12.7mm (or a .50 cal.) So that's just the simple physics of more bigger bullets means more space is required.
The pro to this is that a larger dead weight hanging under the gun means that kick back recoil should be reduced as even if it's not ideally positioned, any counter force like an additional weight pulling down as the gun's kicking up should help off set the rotational acceleration. The con to this is that I can only imagine that the reload is going to get slowed down to painful, we'll get 1 spare mag since it is more weight, and the reticle lag will be something evil as we're trying to swing a round a gun that weights 5-15% more depending on how much more ammo is shoved in there.
Also, just saying, I wouldn't arbitrarily categorize weapons based on things like magazine size. I mean before it's first nerf, the HMG technically was the second fastest firing SMG on the account of fire rate. Knight has 1,380 rpm and the HMG was able to shove all 75 of it's round out at 1,200 rpm. Does fire rate make a gun an SMG, kind of and kind of not. It's one of the features that does, but if you went by fire rate alone, then technically you could have claimed that the best SMG in the game for some time was the HMG.🤣🤣
They should just give it a back pack slot for a belt-fed system so you have like 300 ammo and no reload until you run out. Would be better, funnier and balanced bc of the backpack slot
@@alexandrevincenot6546Backpacks that feed out the belt have never been decent. Just give us more mags for the machineguns like a real MGer would have.
Your frustration reflects pretty much all my solo helldives since the recent patch. In those early weeks, Helldivers felt like a game for everyone. With every update they seem to be hell-bent on making this a game for no one. One step forward, three steps back. But hey, at least we got a speed-loader - still optimistic they'll turn it around!
"A game for everyone is a game for no one!" they proclaim as they proceed to make a game for no one anyways.
If by turning it around you mean buffing everything up so that average gamers can win consistently on 8-9 difficulties, then you'll be severely disappointed. And that's not a game for everyone, it's just easy mode.
Every new patch I find new loadouts to play with and it renews my interest in the game. If they didn't do anything or maybe only buffed everything, I would have already moved on to other games because I was already winning with the op weapons, I don't need MORE op weapons to keep me interested, I need a challenge.
If you didn't mean all that, and you meant fixing bugs and start catching up with things like the Spear lock problems, the host DOT bug then I completely agree with you. I wouldn't even mind if they skipped a warbond release just to catch up with the bug list.
As someone who only plays Co-Op, Arrowhead PLEASE keep nerfing general playstyles and buff specialist weapons, I want to see people who just run off on their own die and people who work together and bring diverse load outs into Co-op succeed, as Co-op games should be.
@@VasilisFouk No one's saying to buff the already good weapons!
Please stop parroting this.
We want EVERY GUN to effectively fulfill a niche so there's actually a choice between them.
As it stands the viable pool of weapons hasn't actually expanded much at all bc they make the good weapons non-viable every time a new 1 is made functional.
I've seen this method of balance back in DS2 where the community gives 2-3 reasonable methods that would each work on their own to nerf an OP weapon, but keep it competitive and the devs go "so both right?" and kill it's viability.
It just feels as though they want the mediums in this game to feel like mini bosses when they're a 3rd of the spawn pool.
While I generally agree that not everyone should be able to solo Helldive, that's only being done on missions where you can easily clear said objectives. Anything like Eradicate, defend rockets, & priority civilians still require a team to have any hope of completing.
And as a spear main, I totally agree that fixing bugs and lacking mechanics is needed. Console Railgun, Host-only DOTs, and Spear lock-on directly make certain weapons almost unplayable at random. Even a rough fix like allowing the Spear to be fired manually b4 lock-on or team reloads to use the owner's backpack ammo if you lack one so the community actually starts applying that mechanic.
@@sirgaz8699 That's exactly what they are trying to do. Horizontal balancing is best for co-op games that don't want to siphon money from battlepasses and similar FOMO crap.
They aren't gods, they will make mistakes or need to rethink some changes like the railgun but this is an evolving game and it NEEDS to keep changing to keep it fresh.
But people are willing to even throw logic out of the window and start believing in 'the devs don't know what they are doing and they hate the players' argument is more legit than 'you don't know shit about how game design works and you are coping'.
That requires humility while saying that the devs are somehow hateful of their player base and they are actively trying to make their own game worse and lose their job in the process is more logical in their mind. Crazy huh?
Remember when:
"All too often in the games industry the core fantasy, and what makes a weapon feel good and fun, is ignored for the sake of Balance. I believe players are scared of Nerfs, because it will ruin the fantasy of a weapon, ruin their fun."
There's plenty to drill down into here at this time, but I'll spare the comments a novel.
"The Railgun is really intended to be a high powered anti-tank sniper rifle, requiring both timing with the unsafe fire mode and accuracy with where you hit the enemy," ... cool it's definitely not that. that guy is a goofball
@@pcap8810 right. "Anti tank" cant even kill tanks in a reasonable number of shots.
Devs want balance while the game contains clearly superior weapons compared to others.
The issue is fundamental, every weapon needs to be changed globally or the issue will persist.
There are two problem, stagger and penetration.
Certain weapons have NO stagger, others have NO penetration. There's even weapons like the liberator that lack BOTH.
Game will never have balanced weapons if guns like the dominator can penetrate AND stagger while dealing enough damage to one tap big bots.
Give every weapon SOME stagger, and SOME penetration. Have they not learned the teachings from OG Doom?
Every weapon staggered an enemy, the difference was the enemy itself having more or less resistance to staggering.
Armor only prevents a bullet from going through, but it will not stop the force of the bullet.
Did these devs ever _shoot_ a real gun?
@@ghoulbuster1exactly. Give every weapon baseline capabilities and just-
Buff the fucking enemies.
HMG should have 250 rounds. Recoil none existent in prone. should have a backpack for ammo storage. Arrowhead: no fk you.
I'm hoping we get a sick machine gun like that in the future
The fact that prone is nearly never usable and provides no actual bonuses (bipods do exist on weapons but don't actually do anything) is frustrating. There is enough foliage, coupled with the camera angle and also the ever-present Silent Hill fogs that, aside from the fact that unless you're firing from 100m away (a distance at which you can't see anything most of the time because of said fog, and most weapons can't reliably hit anyway) everything within 2 map-cells will come charging towards you, that being prone is almost always a disadvantage.
You trade mobility (which is absolutely mandatory to not insta die in this game) for the ability to land maybe one or two shots accurately for free, and the only weapons that you would ever actually use this for are the AMR, marksman rifles anyway, which handle just fine without being prone.
The game is just a mess of stupid design decisions that are all fighting each other.
@@shemsuhor8763 The problem is Ammo. If the MGs had way more ammo I think recoil, accuracy and damage wouldn't be such a problem as you could you rain suppressing fire on hordes or concentrate it on heavy enemies. But right now you spend more time reloading than firing.
@@OhDough WH40K Space Marine backpack-ammo-mounted Heavy Bolter when? No reload at all, just 2000 rounds that you dump when it's empty.
@@shemsuhor8763 At that point, you might as well just take the HMG installation. Same effect, twice the HMG, 4x's the ammo (300 rounds across two guns meaning 150 per gun which is 75 double,) about the same mobility as proned fire with the single machine gun, about 99% less recoil. Is it better than taking the HMG? With how many requirements there are to make it viable, I'd argue more on the probable side.
I want to like the heavy machine gun, I really do, but it's just so bad. It handles poorly, has no ammo, takes forever to reload, and doesn't even feel like it does enough damage. Resolving even two of those issues would go a long way to making it better, but the best Arrowhead has done for it is give it a third person crosshair. Don't get me wrong, that improves it immensely, but it should also tell you just how bad of a state the HMG is in.
it's crazy that I was excited to use the weapon thanks to it just have a 3rd person reticle only to realize the patrol changes make an already bad weapon even worse.
Even if they buff the hmg... they would nerf it to the ground again 1 patch later
"66 stims used"
By democracy, you're keeping the medical industry employed all on your own!
PharmaTec is never going out of business while this Diver is still up and *running!
*Running on a precise formula of (2S)-N-methyl-1-phenylpropan-2-amine and methyl (1R,2R,3S,5S)-3- (benzoyloxy)-8-methyl-8-azabicyclo[3.2.1] octane-2-carboxylate
With that reload speed it needs 100 rounds.
And fighting patrols is the weakest part of helldivers 2. Magical bullshit enemies that literally spawn around you should not be the focus of the games difficulty.
It's crazy that the fabricators and spawn holes aren't the center of enemy spawns that can be 'defeated' during the missions. Baffling design.
patrols weren't like this when the game launched. They never seemed to magically appear near you. Encounters felt more organic. They changed that in the first balance patch because they were so horrified that people were beating Helldives so soon.
100 rounds is still way too little, weapon would still be utter dogshit, needs atleast 150 to make it not good but acceptable
@@rhetro777 in the launch patrols walked in off the map and well patrolled around that why it felt fair and miss it.
This is why I’d rather be sneaky and avoid patrols and just make my way to the objective before I screw things up because by the time you know it, reinforcements will deplete
The problem with the HMG is you have to use like 3 slots just to make it ok. Supply backpack, stun grenades, and the HMG. Then everything else basicly has to be "meta" to compensate. Tried it like 3 times before concluding it sucks.
I'm like 90% certain that the devs screwed up patrol spawn rates across the board, again. They were explicit that 4 stacks should be unaffected. Instead, every group size at every difficulty report similar things, massively overtuned spawn rates.
I only run in 4 stacks on Helldive and the difference is very noticeable. Turn a corner, patrol. Run past the patrol you just killed and turn around, patrol. Keep finding myself surrounded on all sides no matter what.
So, I expect they'll eventually figure out that they goofed again and this will get reverted at some point. Hopefully that happens at the same time they fix the stupid tanks crashing your game. I don't even bother with bots right now since you never know when killing a tank is going to send you to desktop.
I get what they were going for with making it 1/4 patrol spawn per diver, but with each diver the advantage is exponentially greater. Two players can take out a patrol more than twice as fast as one diver. It's similar to if you've ever had to do a two man's job at work by yourself, it'll take longer than twice as long, depending on the work of course. Go do something like mow and weed whack your lawn by yourself without skipping corners, then next week do it with a friend the same way. Something that'll take an hour by yourself can be 20 minutes with another.
@@johhnythebat yeah having another diver there to shoot hunters off you while you reload means you can be putting down way more fire and running around way less, it's much more efficient
Did a mission the other night and 2 of us had over 600 kills, one had 480, and the other guy was in the 500's. that's insane.
Felt that on bugs, got a really bad team and they kept spawning over and over over, like there was no end to the enemies, even with localization scrambler.
It definitely feels that way. 7s feel like 9s now sometimes with the amount and types of enemies that spawn. If there’s 3 stalker nests on a 7, I’ve been seeing all six show up on a breach. It’s pretty insane when you’re just cruising trying to help some randoms get some super samples.
I'm glad that our experiences are aligned when it comes to this gun lol. I could never figure out how to best use this "weapon"
Squad. Might be viable if you find other support weapons in the wild, but it's a squad weapon. It's in that non-existent niche of mid-sized clearance. You've got your chaff/mob clearance, light armor clearance (which is just more chaff and mob just more "rare" kinds like the jet-pack commissar,) mid-sized medium armor mobs which are brood commanders, hive guards, bile spewers, nursing spewers, devastators, rocket devastators, and strider scouts, and then heavy duty (everything that requires the old railgun to punch through.) Anything that can clear heavies can clear mids and everything smaller. Anything that clears small stuff focuses on that and the rest of the squad deals with the bigger targets. This mid range is already dealt with via heavy clearance weapons.
It fails because it's presented as a mob and mid clearing weapon with heavy weapon limitations and cons. The pros are quickly kicked to the curb by its cons because the pros are that it deals a respectable amount of damage and that it can penetrate medium armor. But recoil, mag size, reload time, and the precision needed for the medium armor penetration just happens for like 1 or 2 shots before it pulls high and you're now dumping 50 rounds of your mag into the background.
You don't. You use the AMR instead.
Honestly it is seeming more like Arrowhead is pushing the game in a direction that THEY like playing in. Like, they play in groups during internal testing, their QA team would primarily play with a four-stack group, because that's how they expect players to play. As such, all their balancing is around a four-man stack of relatively experienced players, who are communicating well.
Very few testers and QA staff would play solo Helldive, so none of their balancing even considers it. Look at the Quasar nerf - they add five seconds to it, and they say "Well, you have the Recoilless Rifle, which can be team-reloaded for quick fire!", except unless you're playing with friends, or you come up against a VERY accommodating random player, you'll ALWAYS been reloading it yourself.
In random matches, you always need to one-man-army it because you can't rely on teammates to fill the gaps in your loadout. I NEED to bring AT every game, even if I don't want to, because I've had uncommunicative teammates, ALSO with AT, completely ignore Spore and Shrieker Nests, even while they're getting shredded by them and I'm pinging, saying and typing to PLEASE destroy the nest/tower.
they clearly don't actually play the game at all
It's cute you think they bother with QA.
You are right I think we should nerf the guns some more 🫠
For me they usually stop ignoring the shrieker nest when I begin soloing it with the recoilless, and I just sit there watching projectiles bounce off the nest wondering how they manage to aim for the only part that doesn't work
It isnt crazy that they don't spend a lot of time accommodating solo helldives lol the game is designed around playing with a team
"What do you expect a controller player to do"
THANK YOU, my god man the pain of using a controller in this game sometimes. I get there's a balance to it where it has to be fun and challenging for both sides, but watching the way you take out hordes like john wick so accurately and quickly panning between targets... I am not able to that whatsoever, it's simply not possible.
I want a pc but im on the move a lot and love being able to bring my ps5/series x to my gfs place or from the living room to my "man cave" etc
I'm on pc, but I always prefer the feel of a controller for 3rd person action games even if it's a bit disadvantageous in some ways.
@@rhetro777 No I do too, I'm not trying to sht all over controllers, you just don't have the ability to aim as precisely or quickly with a joystick as using a mouse. I played a lot of counterstrike back in the day and when I switched to controller I really felt the difference
The answer is learn Gyro always on gameplay, and turn aim assist off
Grab a gaming laptop if you're on the move a lot. They can be fairly expensive, but I get a lot of use out of mine, especially considering I'm on the move a lot too. I've had my msi gs65 stealth for roughly 5 years, and it still holds up great.
@@zapmando aim assist is always off on all my games and the best gyro players still won't match mkb.
There is no "answer" for the shortcomings of aiming with controller.
Anyone who thinks that the Railgun is worse than this weapon is smoking. They should both be buffed, tho.
Normally, I'd argue that this has way more rounds than the railgun, but truth be told by the time all the rounds are shot, you've either taken out as many or fewer enemies than you could with the current railgun's entire ammo stock. It's the sad reality of both. They aren't what they ought to be; an electro magnetically accelerated projectile flinging terror and the Stalwart's "bigger cousin".
the railgun is still awful but it's way better than the HMG, which has no use
At the very least, you can walk while reloading the railgun...
At least the railgun can kill chargers.
HMG has so many issues ranging from misaligned sights, massive recoil despite prone + fort armor, low ammo count per box and total reloads, blinding muzzle flash, and super long reload process. The only redeeming thing about the HMG is that it has very high raw damage (it shreds berserkers) and enough pen to reliably kill mediums and the weak points on heavier stuff (if the mentioned issues allow you to even hit the weak points). MMG is less horrible regarding recoil but its even worse against heavy targets and still have the ammo + reload downsides.
Maybe in the future if they release some ranged fighting high HP, low armor enemies where you need raw volume of firepower then the MGs can have a viable role. Right now its just sacrificing 1-2 stratagem slots to do what can basically be done with your primary.
The reload is 4 seconds if you don't empty the gun. super quick to get it swapped out and then back in action. I still agree it needs 100 rounds per mag. It's supposed to be a man portable version of the HMG emplacement. So in theory It should have 100 rounds per mag. Equal to the HMG emplacement which has 300 rounds total but is fixed in place. Also a little more damage wouldn't hurt. Maybe 10-15% more.
i would rather have a backpack fed with it. give us 1000 round for that power i even settle for 300. I want to love it any game i play i got for the big boy guns but this hurts to use and the power don't make up for the down sides.
@@Someguy6571 150 rounds. MINIMUM.
There is the Achievement 'GET SOME!' which requires you to fire a single continuous burst of 150 rounds minimum and kill 10 enemies in that single burst.
This achievement can be accomblished by any rapid fire weapon with enough ammo in a single box. The 150 base MG we start with. The 250 Stalwart, 300 round HMG placement, and the 1000 round minigun in the Patriot.
Sentries do not count toward this achievement.
The 'Get Some!' Achievement is the bare minimum cap that Arrowhead set for themselves for something to be classified as a MG. If it doesn't qualify for this, it an assault rifle with an extended magazine.
MG is fine. It has a niche and it's good at it. The HMG is in the same niche, but it's worse in all the ways that make something a good machine gun.
MGs will hopefully be good against the illuminate
much like with the Airburst Rocket Launcher, the best way to use HMG is to avoid using it as much as possible. The hallmark of a fun, useful and well-balanced weapon.
also, can't wait for the inevitable comments like "you're using it wrong."
You’re using it wrong. You’re supposed to use it as a melee weapon obviously.
You're using it wrong. It's meant to be a decoration you display at the extract point.
Unironically you guys are using this gun wrong if this video is how you’re using it
@@IAmNumber4000 There is always one boot-licker
If you pick the gun at all it shows you don’t know how to use it… it’s toilet paper
Arrowhead: Hey, we need to make this game as realistic as possible, so we are going to insert reload and stim malfunctions, ricochet, and explosion knockbacks.
Helldiver: let me throw a 500KG bomb or 380MM Barrage at this gunship fabricator. Surely it should at least damage the exit door for the gunships.
Arrowhead: Nope. You need to use a hellbomb.
Helldiver: Okay. So I armed the hellbomb. Now I just need to..what happened to the timer?
Arrowhead: Hellbomb was shot by a random patrol bot that was taking a nap.
Helldiver: And that didn't make it go boom like it would in the real world?!?
Arrowhead: Does not compute.
Technically, hellbombs are mini-nukes. Shooting a nuclear warhead will not trigger a nuclear explosion. They do have other explosive triggers, which you may set off, but it would not yield a nuclear explosion, and that is also _extremely_ unlikely. You're more likely to break something that makes sure it has no chance of exploding at all.
The fact that there are a bunch of half-broken hellbombs lying around on planets that will explode if you so much as sneeze at them is, as such, very unrealistic as well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the patch Helldivers being well all the time too. One day we log in and you won’t be able to play because you have Covid and are in quarantine 😅 they just don’t care about making the game annoying
@@Myrkish Naw even the broken Hellbombs make sense.
Those bombs were armed ether before or after being dropped but suffered a misfire. That means they're primed to hit critical mass but there was a problem with the priming mechanism so it didn't fire all the way like it was supposed to.
But it's unstable meaning the slightest jostle is enough to shake loose the malfunctioned primer charge and complete the critical mass necessary.
Boom.
Misfires happen all the time, especially with explosives and equipment that are old and have been just sitting in storage for years on end.
The Hellbombs we call in are stable and haven't been armed yet so they don't explode.
Fun fact, C4 is both flame and impact inert, that means you can burn it and smash it and it won't detonate, the only way to detonate it is either electrically or with another explosion. In fact very few modern explosives detonate from percussion, so unless you have incendiary ammo there is an exceedingly rare chance of detonating a bomb by shooting it.
Well we win the shit lottery in this game every night we play. I’ve had chargers sneak up on my group unheard, I have bugs climb on me so I can’t stand up, I’ve had turrets turn and shoot me when I specifically positioned myself behind them not to be shot by it, I’ve been one shot by flying dead bodies of enemies I’ve killed, I’m instantly burnt by tornadoes silently surrounding me on the objective, I’ve had beacons bounce backwards and stick to me. It’s excessive sometimes how stupid it gets, like we’re death magnets sometimes.
Man immagine if they spamed the artillery warring with bugs. Bile spewers are way more dangerous than bot artillery.
I find that by the time I start hitting a "groove" with the MG-206 is usually about the same time I have to reload regardless of my accuracy or what rpm I use.
Something i noticed with alot of people in this community is that someone is always defending something no matter how bad,good,niche,fun, or unfun something is.
On most topics, this is just how life goes.
is not particular to this community, is the nature of the internet... as long as humans been around opinions have been around, only now is way too easy to "voice" whatever stupid thought they happen to have oozing out of their heads... most weapons are useable (apart from a few exceptions) in the right conditions, so folks throw words like "underrated", and think they are special for noticing something most people wouldn't agree even if true, like as if they had found a rough diamond and whatnot... what is annoying actually, is that arrowhead seem to be having a bad time filtering out stupid comments and criticism, and in turn making counterproductive changes to the game...
There's a fine line between toxic negativity and toxic positivity, and I'm glad the devs at Arrowhead have decided to ignore both.
@@Sky_Guy true to that
It's called bias, but it differs of course, because everyone has different tolerances to what's acceptable and what isn't. What I notice about this community though is how MOST of them impartial they can be. I have seen a handful call the latest update THE BEST but most of them are just like, yeah it's a decent patch. Some nerfs that we do not agree with, but for the most part, there are more buffs that make other weapons actually viable. And then there are the rage ones who react upon reading the patch notes without even trying out the new patch, so you get all kinds.
This was my issue with the new patrol changes. Makes it nearly impossible to clear objectives without another patrol group running up to your locations and just starting that clear process all over again. You are no longer being rewarded with time for clearing enemies. Really lame change in all honesty.
yeah i remember early in the game if you wiped a patrol quickly and efficiently, you'd have a preetty solid and noticeable grace period. now, you get another patrol right on top of you
mfers be like “well they just adjusted them to how they were supposed to be at launch” like ok if they were like this at launch i’d say they’re too intense
@@abominablesound2769 Exactly. It's one of those changes that, while sure, this is how they say they meant it was supposed to be. The question becomes SHOULD they have changed it after seeing how players have become comfortable with the game over time? I say absolutely not.
It's like what Dough says, because of how arbitrary this is, it makes people experiment even less with weapons. Devs shouldn't force players to play in groups, some want to go solo and that should be an option without it being overly punishing.
@@Eight-Bytes my favourite way to play this game is duos. it’s the right balance of teamwork whilst feeling like you’re significantly contributing to the match. however, after this last patch, duos is much harder, and for the frustrating reason of the game never gives you a fucking break. 7 charger spawns at difficulty 7 can, and has, happened.
Ive been saying for a while that i want an armor with reload speed as the perk. God, seeing all the knockdowns made me want to alt f4, and I'm not even playing.
If you play this solo, arrowhead unironically hate you. Everything they nerf has been part of the "meta" kit used by people to remain versatile to solo.
btw, you're in range of enemy artillery.
I honestly would be fine with this alert if; IF, GM Joel got a warning popping up on his SMS/phone/email that an Automaton or Terminid was in range of Diver Artillery when we deployed our Mortar Turrets. Hey, fair's fair. If we need to be reminded every shot, then the enemy needs to be reminded every shot and the controller behind the enemy is GM Joel.
It's a Co-op game but 1/2 the community, even while playing Co-op, play like they are solo. L4D and the Dark/VerminTide have hard CC you need a team to save you from, HD2 doesn't do that. I am all for them nerfing generalist weapons that prevent "versatile" solo play, I want them to buff heavy armor so they have to work with the guy who brought the RR/Spear and if Anti-Armor guy gets swarmed he needs the MG/flamer guys help and if he doesn't they need to spawn more/buff hunters.
I want a fun Co-op game to play with my friends not a solo farming simulator and they are balancing as such.
@@sirgaz8699 Exactly. Out of the 200 missions and 200 hours I have played, I can count on one hand how many times everyone moved as a unit together through 100% map completion with half time left. Then it's about 50/50 that you either have groups of 2 or everyone runs off in different directions to raw dog solo objectives.
I have spent so much time spending the whole match desperately trying to keep up with someone and they'll bail ASAP leaving you behind as bait for breaches/drops. Gamers these days absolutely refuse to play in ways a game is intended to be played yet will keep playing it and fight the devs for changes to accommodate what they want.
@@sirgaz8699 most of us have to play with randoms. Great you have a crew, but most of us don't. There is no cohesion when playing with randoms and sometimes it's outright toxic. You are the millionaire trying to relate to middle class problems. You have no clue and you need to just sit tf down and be quiet.
@@crackededge9351 "even while playing Co-op, play like they are solo" I think dif 9 should be difficult for groups with good teamwork. That's the most fun for me. I don't want a boring game wasting my time pandering to solo players. If that makes dif 9 unplayable for solo players, so be it.
They are not stopping you running solo, deflate your ego and turn down the difficulty.
What I hate most about this arbitrary increase in patrols is that nobody is benefiting from it.
The people that were running in full squads to begin with (and are probably the first to call this kind of post "whining") were not negatively impacted by others running in groups of 1-3.
The people running in groups of 1-3 had their reasons to do so and will just get demotivated by this arbitrary slap in their faces.
And as for the "it's to make the different squad sizes have a balanced experience": Assuming linear scaling of squad effectiveness led to a clearly less balanced and worse player experience. Even with a team of "randoms" there is a lot of synergy boosting effectiveness to more than simply "4x a solo player".
It feels to me like they want more players in fewer games to take some load off their servers
Bruh people cope so hard with this gun. I was getting downvoted to hell on the subreddit for just saying that it's not good and has no viable niche. Their whole defense for it is that it kills Hulks lol.
And shoots down gunships, destroys tanks on the back, turrets, big striders, mows down berserkers and devastators.
AMR, Auto, Railgun and HMG are just matter of preference.
It would be good, if you didn't spend years reloading it.
It either needs more ammo per magazine or faster reload and it will be fine
@BeastOrGod in pretty sure the regular machine gun can shoot down gunships
I'm more tired of аsskissеrs than of people who really complain about this patch.
The amount of people who try to insert their "akchually!!🤓 this thing is very good after nerf!! you just don't sweat enough!!" is insane.
Hate to be that guy but sometimes it seems that devs paid money to some bots to constantly say good things about their every decision.😅
I like the gun, it's fun but I know that's about it, I wouldn't run it in a solo game above hard
Randos kick people for the dumbest reasons and my friend group is working adults with varying schedules.... on top of that when you have four people playing - you can handle four times the targets ... why would you scale the patrols inverse to that?
The solo nerf is terrible
So crazy to me that their nerfs are so heavy handed and their buffs are so pathetic. Thankyou Arrowhead for the 33% health on the Tesla tower. Now it takes 2 wilburs to kill it vs 1. ONly good buffs were the senator and the arc blitzer, and the arc blitzer is too frustrating for me to like it
Wait what’s a wilbur?
@@dannycolwell8028 small scavenger bug
@@Bopiz787 I had no idea people were calling him wilbur, that’s adorable 😂
"im going to complain a lot" LMAO
I want them to give this thing a backpack that feeds it a belt of 500 rounds non stop
There is talk of a minigun being added with a similar setup but honestly I feel like they're gonna fumble that up too. It's gonna have like 500 rounds, unreloadable ofc, but all of them will do less damage than the standard MG or something along those lines
@@jooot_6850 honestly if they added a whole new gun like that it would be very redundant considering the stalwart exists with 250 round mag and 1100 rpm
I think it needs more ammo. Both the HMG and MG-43.
Delete the HMG, just give the MG-43 the penetration of the HMG. There's just no reason the HMG exists. It does nothing well, it's not fun to use, and it's too weak in its current state.
HMG is the disappointing child of the MG and Auto Cannon.
I think the machine guns could work if they had a backpack and being chain fed. A MG the needs to be reloaded every 5 seconds and takes 10 to reload is no fun and not very useful.
@@juan0808might as well just give us the Gatling then🤣
@@SuperhotdogZz If strong enough to deal with heavy armor, yes. The problem is they lack the ammo and reload speed to deal with hordes but they also lack the power to deal with heavy enemies. So they are in a bad place where they aren't good enough at something.
Great points at the end.
Dont stop conplaing you have valid points with video proof. Everyone who defends these dog shit patches dont play the game, or they will never record the shit they spew.
Every patch i play less and thats sad, they are holding GOTY and they are trying their hardest to funble the bag.
In the words of Arthur Morgan: "It seems, despite my best efforts to the contrary, that I have won"
'How come some guns set some things on fire?'
MG Raiders energypacks explode, particularly when taking explosive or energy damage and they'll set nearby things on fire.
That's not how smoke works.
The Automaton gonna shoot everything on smoke still.. 😂
can you believe that there are people who unironically defend the hmg? mind boggling.
Watching people solo helldive now is wild. And I feel like my 7s turned nuts. And 5 even is the new 7, if not 8, but for lacking the miniboss tier mobs.
The most toxic people for any game in a state of active development are the fanboy cheerleaders who try to shoot down all criticism.
17:22 As a controller player, I just curl into a ball and say “The bots are not real. They cannot hurt you”.
They've given us access to gyro/motion controls. I'd highly recommend learning how to use them. They're just as accurate as mouse and keyboard once you get the hang of them, and they're super easy to learn. Spend an hour on gyro and you'll start to get the hang of it. 1 week, and it'll feel completely natural.
Statistical based balance should be taken out back of the shed bro. Have never seen or experienced good balance when statistics play a big role in balance. Statistics might tell you what is popular/most used, but disregards the how or why stuff is popular/most used.
Is statistics based balance the trickle down version of balance?🤔
lol
it wouldn't be bad if they looked into *WHY* people are using what they are using, blindly looking at numbers only tells you something popular not that it what the whiteknights/fanboys say *OP*. take the whole meta thing they want to crush metas but they make a new one with every patch?
Like OhDough having over 70% accuracy that mission. Would make them think "oh thr HMG doesn't have an accuracy issue" because thats what the statistic implies, but the reality is completely different
Bout to pause the 5th element for this long ass video and take another shot
Your videos are always quite informational and you've got a great speaking voice. Thank you for the content! 💪😎
honestly the only way this gun feels usable is tapping with it with the shit recoil and ammo, which at that point makes it feel more like a dmr instead of an lmg lmao
Proposed HMG change: Reduce ammo count to 10. Increase per shot damage. Add required backpack slot as a nerf.
Increase hunter spawn rates by 50x
That thing feels more like assault rifle with a long reload then hmg to me with the little amount of ammo that it has just give it 300 rounds so i can feel like rambo
Indeed, If you already need the backpack to make it usable. Just make it have a backpack by default and make it chain fed soo you don't have to reload.
Not a bad a idea but i would prefer to see that on a new minigun type of weapon for a warbound
Number one reason why I don't use this weapon is how fast you go through ammo, even with a supply pack. Cool vid to watch though.
THE BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE AMMO COUNT IS CHANGED.
Until this weapon qualifies for the 'Get Some!' achievement which is the hard minimum cap Arrowhead set for MG weapons, it is garbage tier and not to be used.
150 round MINIMUM Arrowhead! Make it fucking happen!
The solo patrol changes are awful
Personally I think they just screwed up again and accidentally overtuned them... again...
4 stacks were supposed to be unaffected. But patrols are popping up way more often across the board, no matter your group size or difficulty setting.
Like as not they'll patch it eventually whenever they get around to recognizing their mistake. I imagine solo will still be tough but not "infinite conga line of spawning patrols" tough.
this weapon is tragic, I don't know quite what they were thinking when they released it as is
absolutely insane that they first added it without even a 3rd person reticule! as if it already isn't horrendous as it is now on controller
@ohdough hey dude off topic but curious what pc specs you got? Do you use a second rig for video recording or just the one? Curiosity
still impressive.
I would have rage quit at the 10 minut mark and not looked at the game for a week..
"Its helldive its not supposed to be winnable" -Devs
"You mean its just really hard but doable with skillz right?"
"..." devs
"Right?" Players
"Tehe X3" Devs
nerfs peeking around corner "is it my time to come out yet?"
"soon... soon..." Devs
The fact that the gunships got buffed at all this patch is kinda nuts. They were already frustrating to deal with
Keep up the great work I absolutely love these videos and they help a lot. Thank you. 😊
Bro was spitting fire at the end lmao you love to see it
Go off, King.
Helldive with HMG
5% of time spent firing the HMG
5% of time spent stimming
15% of time spent getting ragdolled
20% of time spent running
25% of time spent using primary
30% of time spent reloading the HMG
Seems about right
Dude unbelievable you actually completed that mess! This change is wild, I can start a Helldive and be overwhelmed beyond reason and when my buddies all come on within seconds the difference is palpable.
I play solo because I have crappy internet and don’t want to subject random players to my bad connection. Things like the double tower make me feel like I’m getting punished for it.
This weapon has more copium attached to it than it does ammo
If you had to reinvent the hmg how would you go over it? Would you give it a ammo backpack or if not how much ammo would you stuff into the magazine and would an ammo change not be enough to give this weapon a proper place in the arsenal?
your barely contained anger in the form of sarcasm is the main reason we stick around
Man I've never seen dough knocked around so much
I love this game so much and I solo about 75% of the time on 4-5. I don't care to "git gud". This... This does not look fun. Why would anyone subject themselves to this and call it fun? It was so obvious he was not having a good time this round. This goes beyond being a "war simulator" and becomes just utter chaos. The devs have set the game up to be a battalion vs one man on solo at this point. It's stupid.
it baffles me that anyone thinks Helldivers is remotely realistic, I really can't understand where that comes from. I like that armor cares about the angle of incidence, that's cool, but like..what else is remotely "realistic" about this fantasy game
@@pcap8810 the guns are overall very realistic. Helldivers devs have taken the time to make them physically work in real life. That's about it yeah lmao space bugs and terminators its a sci _fi_ game
@@jooot_6850 yeah the lightning shotgun works just like the one my dad had
@@pcap8810 and our super destroyers run on bug juice that lets them teleport. Suspension of disbelief, dear boy. The kinetic, chemical powered weapons (you know the ones that we can make today) are very realistic.
You're just bein obtuse
@@jooot_6850 there is no ballistic trajectory at all, you have equal calibers that arbitrarily pierce armor and others that don’t. There is fuck all that’s anything like real guns in this game. Have you ever shot a gun?
You're probably the only one of few channels that says it as it is in this community. I respect you that much more because of that.
"I am in chaos" 😂
"When weapons are good, they get nerfed"
*YA THINK?*
HMG emplacement is great for Automaton extermination 12 minutes missions. If you place it correctly, it will take down so many enemies and the feeling is just chefs kiss.
The thing with the smokes is that, if they _are_ working, the bots will still shoot at your last known location. So it's not a good idea to be standing at the place you want to be when the smokes come down.
My buddies and I are on a break from this game. The spawn rates right now are such that it feels like you can never create any space between you and the enemy. You just kite the enemies from location to location so its a relentless slog with what seems like no breaks in the action. By mission end there are so many enemies being thrown at you that no amount of gear seems to keep up. The fun has been ripped from this game. There will be plenty of people more skilled than my friends and I but I have to wonder how many people are actually having fun with these changes.
Needs more ammo and needs a handling buff the thing handles like a boat, just trying to bring it to bear on anything fast is crazy. Not even talking about the recoil
and it doesn't even have the range or projectile speed of the MG-43, so it's not like you even CAN use it at long range. It's almost exclusively a close or close-medium range weapon that handles like garbage in the scenarios it's supposed to be used for.
They have intentionally made Solo play untenable as best they could. And the Nerfs were also designed to reinforce that goal. Devs.. "Play as group as you wont have time for objectives / samples etc"
24:48 because they heard the stratagem land,and got attracted to the sound of it,dont drop smoke ontop of you,drop it as a screen. Smoke grenades though are fine to drop below you(i never use them,heard from a friend)
After watching this video there's only two sane reactions that could possibly be had.
1. They need to nerf the Scorcher.
2. Instead of the audio queue your character should completely freeze while the game conti ues to play and a window comes up on the screen that says you are in range of enemy artillery do you want to continue and you manually have to click yes to move again.
Also increase headshot chances by 300%. Upgrade every bot's photoreceptors to the most advanced technology available, allowing them to see through both smoke and solid walls.
Also increase hunter spawn rates by 500%, including Automaton planets
I believe the single longest reload in the game is the hmg when it’s out of ammo
Airburst is about 5 seconds if you don’t dive cancel and 4 if you do
Hmg is like 8 I think
It’s been a while since I’ve touched it for obvious reasons
HMG reload time is 6.5 seconds. Which feels about like 3 minutes when standing perfectly still under heavy fire. Pretty useless weapon
@@jooot_6850 sounds about right. Still outrageously long especially for a gun with 75 bullets in its big ass belt.
I went back and double tested the airburst and it’s 5.5ish normal and around 5 if you cancel which is still not terrible considering it’s still an rpg and a portable cluster bomb
6.5 seconds that you can’t cancel out of for 75 underpowered bullets is just so ass
I'm not surprised they gave solo diving a huge nerf
next warbond needs to give us a 30% increase reload speed booster
Cant wait for the to unironically nerf the HMG after they realize we can use it to have fun and fight hulk spam
Finally!!! Someone is actually using battle master armor!! I love that armor but sadly no one uses it on youtube😢
It's definitely in my top favs, but I don't wear it anymore because of the incorrect cape model. The cape floats off of the armor at the shoulders and after the most recent patch, it's significantly noticeable. :(
It’s cool looking armor but mobility is still more significant to survivability than armor rating
@@dannycolwell8028 Unfortunate, but true. I only ever wear heavy armor in defense missions... :(
Heavy armor bonus idea: You are more resistant to being violently ragdolled.
the heavy armor bonus is that you dont die instantly when the rocket hits you
@IAmNumber4000 I'd say they should add the anti yeet bonus on top of that.
I find its easier to take out the hulks by switching to max fire rate, and then tap firing instead of holding L1. Full auto just isnt controllable.
EDIT: But yeah the 75 mag is punishing for no reason. The long reload is already punishment enough. 100-125 would still be tough but at least a little more fair.
400 round belt fed backpack + barrel heat mechanic
Thanks for making this video dude, I feel your pain. Most of the time this game is frustrating to me.
It was fun at launch, but between the bugs (patrols etc) and the constant nerfs I've stopped playing altogether.
i think what happens with the smoke screen is, that it breaks line of sight and when the enemy doesnt see you anymore they continue firing or walking at the spot they saw you last...so if you throw the smoke but keep staying at the exact same spot it feels like its not doing anything
Yeah the dumb bots will shoot at where they last saw you. If you aggro them, and then break LoS, they'll just keep shooting at nothing.
18:30 dude, this is such an atrocious bug. I have been facing it multiple times in one mission, wasting both, magazines and time.
It's just horrendous.
Arrowhead upon seeing this video: "replaced HMG with expendable variant, 50 rounds. Inverted crosshair controls when aimed down sights."
You set the bots on fire sometimes because there the mg raiders with the ammo backpack the back pack is flammable
A piece of armour that gives +2 magazines and 30% reload speed would make these machine guns at the very least more fun to use
Honestly, this was your most entertaining video I've seen so far.
Funny how people said the HMG doesn't have enough ammo, its mag is too small and the recoil too much but the devs give it a third person crosshair and it instantly becomes a top pick. Yes, that's sarcasm.
Once you started talking about how you weren't having any fun at 42:02, I felt that. I play solo because I don't have many online friends that play this game. I also like to play at my own pace while clearing and experiencing everything the map has to offer. I play lvl 4 difficulty because it seemed appropriate for my style of play, but now, I basically get a patrol at every corner. I clear one patrol, another one takes it place immediately after and I am constantly grinding my way through them towards objectives. This really isn't that much fun anymore. I enjoyed myself before when I could clear one group of patrols, maybe a bug breach, have some time to pat myself on the back, plan my next POI, collect some resources, and fight again. Now it's just fighting them off seemingly every minute of the 40-minute game.
You said it Dough, 66 stims used, yeah they messed up on this patch.
No, no, no. Obviously you are just using [Weapon or Stratagem Here] wrong. It is clearly your fault.
I'm amazed how well the Scorcher takes out gunships. I had no idea it could even do it, let alone with like half a mag. That's crazy.
Here's how to make the HMG a weapon ppl will use: it's already useless w/o a backpack, so make it feed FROM a backpack mag with all the possible ammo, with no reloads. just like the HMG turret.
We need armor upgrade station where you complete research quests wearing certain armor like grenade kills on servo assist to upgrade the boosts abilities so they feel important.
High level fortified could make you ragdoll immune (which would have been a game changer in this video)
Servo assisted could make your metal limbs deflect direct weak attacks
Scout could radar the entire map
Field medic could let you be an ACTUAL medic instead of a junkie by letting you heal your teammates for free (minus the long animation)
Engineering could let you carry more mags with more ammo in them and reload faster
Extra padding could reduce stagger and give more armor
We also need a melee armor and a speed armor thats like extra padding but for the other 2 stats
Capes and helmets need boosts like reduced fore and fall damage boosts for capes and gas immunity and headshot bonus damage nullification for helmet boost
Don’t forget, there could also be an armor that either lessens fire damage as a base, but can nullify it entirely if upgraded.
These are great ideas in my book
@@xxiSHTAr9000x i didnt mention electrical whatever its called because i think they should rename it to insulated plating and give it fire resistance on top of the electric resistance and maybe even gas if they dont add it to a helmet.
I want to send them a google doc of ideas but doubt they would look at it even if i could. Theory crafting is still fun
I would love Servo-Assisted to boost melee damage and stagger. That or Muscle Enhancement could both buff your melee. Makes sense that if something boosts throwing range, it also boosts striking power! And without even a bayonet available, we should be able to augment the standard melee somehow. Really, REALLY odd design choice considering the last bayonet charge was in literally only 20 years ago! Especially with so many melee focused enemies like 90% of the bug roster, why don't we have even just a bayonet option? Seems like it'd be useful for fighting off hordes of bugs that charge at you.
@@jooot_6850 that was my original idea for servo to boost melee but i think it would be better if it was on its own armor that way we can get some melee themed armor.
like a more viking themed one with stalker claws strapped to the arms.
or one that makes you look like a bot berserker, chainsaws and all.
And of course we need one with the trench shovel.
But if it was tacked on to servo we wouldn't get these designs.
Also the number of melee buffs i want the armor to have would make servo look busted on paper. Melee is so weak and situational that a boost that makes it a viable tactic over other boosts (especially upgraded ones) would have to give it:
Jar5 dominator levels of stagger, damage, penetration and attack rate and possibly even a range increase and/or even an area of effect.
I also think it would be cool if they add melee weapons to the pistol slot like said shovel that has longer range or the super earth flag that does default damage but raises speed while out and makes scavengers and raiders run away.
@@zemufinman1639 hell yeah dude strap some Berserker arms onto our helldiver
Dude, I usually like playing around lvl 6 or 7, even solo. But, with the recent changes I dropped down to challenging and my experience this morning, literally looked similar to what you was going through. And I didnt even have gunships. I'd fight a couple patrols and be finishing an objective, when all of a sudden, 2+ more patrols showed up.
Playing solo right now can be a literal nightmare.
Also, I'm on PS5 and the HMG is complete garbage. For me, at least.
"We want the players to use the stratagems more to deal with enemies" Then they proceed to nerf support weapons, then also make the HMG.
1:43 I think it's because blowing up their jetpack doesn't always ohko them, and it works sorta like the automaton barrels so it sets them and enemies around them on fire
this video was a good advertisement for the scorcher
yeah scorcher was putting in more work than the HMG. and that is NOT a good sign, your primary shouldn't be your primary weapon... especially with machine gun type weapons, they should be your first pick when engaging a group of enemies.
Useless weapon.
Frankly, this should come with its own ammo backpack at the very least for how much ammo it costs to use this for 1 or 2 engagements