This never came to mind, but dealer mark ups can lead to a manufacturer discontinuing vehicle trim level. Manufacturer see they're not selling enough units but not considering mark ups being a factor. 🤔
It's supply vs demand. If they want to crack down, just build more of the same. It's that simple. However, they won't do that for very a simple reason, it's a halo for the Tundra brand. There's nothing truly extraordinary about these vehicles. A Tundra TRD Pro is just a regular Tundra with some bigger wheels and suspension, it's then branded and marketed to hell. They could easily meet demand by building more. They won't do that because it's a halo model, which generates showroom traffic and boost sales of budget models.
You missed a great opportunity to showcase the automatic backup system. It is perfect for boat launches. All you do is line up your trailer, engage the system, and it'll back you up in a straight line regardless of how the truck is oriented. I find it to be a very useful feature for situations like this and campsites and other areas where you're backing into a spot with a trailer.
@@StPaddy81It is called Trailer Backup Guide with Straight Path Assist. It is part of the Limited Premium Package which is available on the Limited trim and standard on higher trims.
I got 2024 Limited Hybrid 4wd with a 6.5ft bed, factory air suspension, power extending tow mirrors, and every tech option besides the pano/moonroof. Absolutely love it for towing the boat. We're at about 6000lbs with trailer, so well within the max rating. In rolling hills while towing, the electric boost comes on perfectly to fill the gap and prevent loss of speed as the engine/turbos carch up. Ride and handling are great with the rear air suspension. Putting the pedal down for both gas and electric together provides great power. My center screen is usually on Android Auto for nav/audio so I don't mind having all those towing/driving options in the gauge cluster area. I will say that my 2018 F150 3.5 Ecoboost of same cab/bed size with Sumo Springs was a bit more solid suspension-wise while towing and resting on the extended bump stops, but hitting too big a bump or seam at a bridge on the highway when not towing would contact those Sumo Springs and be very uncomfortable. Air suspension is a huge upgrade for all-around usability.
By the way, the new Toyota Tundra is confirmed to come to Australia in the next few months! It will be officially converted to right-hand drive by Walkinshaw. The Ford F-150 is going to be sold in Australia in the next few months and the first batch has already arrived in Australia for RHD conversion by RMA Automotive.
I can't speak to the Pro. However, I've been pulling our 35-foot travel trailer with a Platinum for the last year, and it's awesome. I like the auto leveling rear suspension.
The auto leveling suspension is a neat idea, but another high tech thing to fail. And when it does, it hinders ride quality, and if towing.., I would think would make towing impossible. Everybody is more concerned about having one more feature than the next guy, than just having a reliable truck. All these trucks are man made which means there is an inherent risk of breakdown and/or failure. But when you add all these extra things in, you increase this risk 10 fold. I have seen it over and over. I am fleet manager (amount other things) for more that 40 vehicles. They are traded at about 120k miles. I will no doubt steer away from anything GM… I am about sick of paying for stupid repairs on f150 with eco boost.
@ridynh7923 I have a 2012 Nissan Armada that has auto leveling suspension. I've been towing with it for 9 years, and the suspension is all original. That feature is the single biggest reason why I got the Platinum Tundra.
5.7l last longer and it gets pretty much the same they did a video on the new tundras and the fuel mileage on the dash don't even match up on what u actually get
Love the red interior ( the exterior looks great too especially on this TRD Pro ) it would be awesome if it came in different colors! Like orange…😂 Great job TFL!!
I drive a mid sized sedan, and visit these videos to admire the technology, while also feeling good about how I was not swayed into spending 70-100 grand for a 'truck'
While this truck might be quite capable of pulling that boat, it will not last as long with that little Turbo V6 under the hood. Great if you're only leasing. Turbos run hotter and burn up sooner. I'd much prefer the last model with the NA 5.7 liter V8.
Looking back after all the tundras you’ve driven and owned do you think the iforce max is worth the $4k price tag on the upcoming 24? Are the real world mpg, performance, payload and towing characteristics really that different?
The random button placement and having hundreds of switches really kills the over all design. I really do hate seeing similar features spread out. Subaru has this issue at least in a 2020 model.
Personally, I don't like red interior on any vehicle, it's gaudy, to bright, to busy. So the red interior would be a no sale for me, other than that the exterior looks pretty nice.
Nice looking truck for sure but Toyota needs to offer a proper low range with locking front diff , full under body protection and yes gm has the better screen and electronics I think they just announced too that prices are going up for 24 years more unaffordable over priced pickups and with the avg interest rate for 60 mos at about 7% plus. No bueno
Surprised your boat trailer has electric brakes instead of surge brakes. In my part of the country we just started seeing those on boats in the last few years.
I was surprised too. I had a trailer built for my boat about 10 years ago and I had them put discs on both axles with surge. Stopped pretty well for a boat!
I gotta 2023 trd pro a month ago.....yes, they are pretty sweet! No bugs from the first year model, most have been worked out for this 2nd year....time will tell.
These are horrible numbers, my 2010 Tundra 5.7L pulls a bigger boat and gets 10mpg!! I’m also getting 18mpg on the Highway!! This new platform is a epic failure.. So sad.
So you add taxes and license that truck is 80k. As a business expense OK, but as a vanity project for rolling on the freeways of L.A. I say no way even as I can afford it. I just don't see the value. JMO
@@perpelleoh please--they could've easily gotten more power out of the 5.7 if they wanted to, let's be honest here. the hybrid shit everyone is on is strictly because of govt emission standards...all of which is for naught because the MPGs on these new engines are barely better than the N/As they are replacing.
@@JokerG16 If the 5.7 got the same power/performance as this power train it would definitely be thirstier. If the 5.7 got the same power/performance as this power train it wouldn't be near the same regarding emissions. Noone is telling you that the hybrid power train isn't a part of emission demands but it's still not made for maximum fuel efficiency. It's a compromise between cost, emissions and power.
That is a large spread between these 2 trucks. Maybe one has a lot more options than 🤔 the other one. I have 1806 in my XLT trim, which is good for a half ton. However, that is a lower trim level and doesn't have every option known to mankind.
My two issues with this vehicle, 1 the windshiel is small top to bottom , it makes me feel like the truck is squinting when I'm driving. 2 that camo interior is just not attractive for me. I still want to drive when for more than a test drive
I would once again get me Nissan XD while they're still around. Love mine... Last old school truck left on the market and 100k warranty, i do not get why is that truck not selling. for towing i prefer v8 over turbocharged v6. Not for power, but for simplicity and longevity. Also not to forget cheeper than anything else. P.S. that red interior redefines ugly😬
Same here! I have a 2022 Titan Pro4X XD, and pulls my 10,000lbs 5th wheel really wheel. My father in law just blew up his 2020 Silverado 1500 6.2L. It blew pistons. GM is telling him it will be several months before they can order a new motor. He sold it back to the dealership, and went and bought a 2023 Titan xd platinum. We just returned from a 1200+ miles camping trip, and he couldn’t be happier.
Like the truck but paying 75000 for a truck then having to pay a subscription for certain features is a absolute turn off. Also red and black interior with a unchangeable tan roofline is awful.
@@keithcrandall1369 And the 2023 Chevy silverado 1500 3.0 duramax is just as fast and gets almost 30 mpg on 35's!! Any truck is better then the Tundra now a days
Well, ladies. There is in fact a person who has indeed encountered this problem. Took his tundra offroad, touched his shitty designed swaybar and shoved the link into his CV boot. Notice only the Tundra/Sequoia are the only TNGA-F trucks that have the swaybar positioned in a vulnerable spot. Both the 300 and new 250 Cruisers have their swaybar and end links tucked away. Not my fault you naysayers don't have any common sense.
It would be nice if Toyota would crack down on the dealer mark-ups on these and the TRD Pro Sequoias.. I mean 100K for this truck is insane.
This never came to mind, but dealer mark ups can lead to a manufacturer discontinuing vehicle trim level. Manufacturer see they're not selling enough units but not considering mark ups being a factor. 🤔
100l for a toyota tundra😂
Those vampires have to take their cut. Those mansions and politicians they buy cost money.
@@MC4D. Manufacturers collect heavy data on sales. They're fully aware of who is selling what to who at what price.
It's supply vs demand. If they want to crack down, just build more of the same. It's that simple.
However, they won't do that for very a simple reason, it's a halo for the Tundra brand. There's nothing truly extraordinary about these vehicles. A Tundra TRD Pro is just a regular Tundra with some bigger wheels and suspension, it's then branded and marketed to hell. They could easily meet demand by building more. They won't do that because it's a halo model, which generates showroom traffic and boost sales of budget models.
They should offer other accent colors for the interior - blue would be cool..
Yeah unfortunately right now you only get the option between a red or black interior. But yeah blue or maybe a grey would look nice
Ohhhh yeah I've been getting one Pronto with that beautiful toyota blue 🤤🤤🤤
The new Tacoma has the blue for the TRD sport trim
The platinum has blue accents
You missed a great opportunity to showcase the automatic backup system. It is perfect for boat launches. All you do is line up your trailer, engage the system, and it'll back you up in a straight line regardless of how the truck is oriented. I find it to be a very useful feature for situations like this and campsites and other areas where you're backing into a spot with a trailer.
Wait, what feature is this called? What trims/packages is it on?
@@StPaddy81It is called Trailer Backup Guide with Straight Path Assist. It is part of the Limited Premium Package which is available on the Limited trim and standard on higher trims.
Or just learn how to backup a trailer. I've got trailer backup assist on my super duty. Never used it. 🤷♂️
A real man knows how to back up a trailer.
I got 2024 Limited Hybrid 4wd with a 6.5ft bed, factory air suspension, power extending tow mirrors, and every tech option besides the pano/moonroof. Absolutely love it for towing the boat. We're at about 6000lbs with trailer, so well within the max rating.
In rolling hills while towing, the electric boost comes on perfectly to fill the gap and prevent loss of speed as the engine/turbos carch up. Ride and handling are great with the rear air suspension. Putting the pedal down for both gas and electric together provides great power.
My center screen is usually on Android Auto for nav/audio so I don't mind having all those towing/driving options in the gauge cluster area.
I will say that my 2018 F150 3.5 Ecoboost of same cab/bed size with Sumo Springs was a bit more solid suspension-wise while towing and resting on the extended bump stops, but hitting too big a bump or seam at a bridge on the highway when not towing would contact those Sumo Springs and be very uncomfortable. Air suspension is a huge upgrade for all-around usability.
“Too flashy for me” from the guy who bought a yellow Colorado. 😂
I really like the Tundra TRD truck! Very nice looking.
By the way, the new Toyota Tundra is confirmed to come to Australia in the next few months! It will be officially converted to right-hand drive by Walkinshaw. The Ford F-150 is going to be sold in Australia in the next few months and the first batch has already arrived in Australia for RHD conversion by RMA Automotive.
Great 👍 news mate! 👏..if only they could just manage to add that beefy 3.3TT V6 Diesel 227Kw 700Nm
I can't speak to the Pro. However, I've been pulling our 35-foot travel trailer with a Platinum for the last year, and it's awesome. I like the auto leveling rear suspension.
The auto leveling suspension is a neat idea, but another high tech thing to fail. And when it does, it hinders ride quality, and if towing.., I would think would make towing impossible. Everybody is more concerned about having one more feature than the next guy, than just having a reliable truck. All these trucks are man made which means there is an inherent risk of breakdown and/or failure. But when you add all these extra things in, you increase this risk 10 fold. I have seen it over and over. I am fleet manager (amount other things) for more that 40 vehicles. They are traded at about 120k miles. I will no doubt steer away from anything GM… I am about sick of paying for stupid repairs on f150 with eco boost.
@ridynh7923 I have a 2012 Nissan Armada that has auto leveling suspension. I've been towing with it for 9 years, and the suspension is all original. That feature is the single biggest reason why I got the Platinum Tundra.
Iforce or max?
@@sandromammi6483 iforce
Perfect spec. Some TRD strips on the side and it’s perfection
I would definitely get the black interior. Could not do red.
You don't have to worry about how centered the boat is on the trailer if you don't back the trailer in too far.
Exactly 💯 looked like he backed too far into the water with the trailer 😮
Agreed, trailer is too far into the water
You get no better fuel economy than what I get with my 5.7 Tundra Pro. I will be keeping my truck, and it's paid for.
That's just not true at all. When has your 5.7 tundra ever averaged 18-20mpg? My 22 Pro will do that easily.
New Tundra has more power and torque and does burn less fuel. V8 guys have a hard time with it I know.
5.7l last longer and it gets pretty much the same they did a video on the new tundras and the fuel mileage on the dash don't even match up on what u actually get
Best in class!
Its a ski boat, you could tow it with a 1980's Toyota truck.
I had a 1980s Toyota truck, no.
Ski boats are heavy!
Love the red interior ( the exterior looks great too especially on this TRD Pro ) it would be awesome if it came in different colors! Like orange…😂 Great job TFL!!
It does the slow battery drive thing in normal too though, eco not required
I tow an Airstream RV my Silverado 5.3L tows it like a champ even at 80+ MPH that weighs 5500LBS.
Why would you want to tow any trailer over 80mph. 5,500 lbs is not that much weight for a truck.
How’s that 4mpgs treating you? The 5.3 works very hard towing from experience.
Not to mention, I have ZERO trust in any GM engine with AFM in it. GM in general has gone so far down in quality.
I drive a mid sized sedan, and visit these videos to admire the technology, while also feeling good about how I was not swayed into spending 70-100 grand for a 'truck'
Yes good questions on that all the big space on the flat screen.
To get rid of the annoying adjust your seats message go in to settings an there is a toggle to link your key
To be fair, I get about 16 mpg in my '04 suburban at elevation and unladen... 18 mpg on a brand new hybrid is not very good...
Toyota has said from the start that it's a power hybrid not for economy. I'll happily take that extra 100ftlbs any day.
I love the red interior. I would love brown with a red truck even more.
While this truck might be quite capable of pulling that boat, it will not last as long with that little Turbo V6 under the hood. Great if you're only leasing. Turbos run hotter and burn up sooner. I'd much prefer the last model with the NA 5.7 liter V8.
Looking back after all the tundras you’ve driven and owned do you think the iforce max is worth the $4k price tag on the upcoming 24? Are the real world mpg, performance, payload and towing characteristics really that different?
I own a non-hybrid and have been more than happy with its performance. Sitting around 20MPG, tow 5-7k pretty regularly, still fully stock.
THe interior matches your shirt. 👍
I love the interior.
Best 1/2 ton truck to date .
Looks like Elton John exploded all over the seats and door trim in the Tundra!!! Red on the outside I like, red interior😏
Lol yes an EJ special edition 😮
Awesome truck!
I think the only thing it's really missing is the onboard 2.4kw inverter that Toyota's other hybrid max powertrains now have.
The random button placement and having hundreds of switches really kills the over all design. I really do hate seeing similar features spread out. Subaru has this issue at least in a 2020 model.
Didnt realized how tall Andrei is up until now that i see him in shorts lmao
Those mirrors are awesome! Why doesn't every truck maker do that?
The controls are shyte.
I know I want them!!
They do...
I was using my 2022 tundra TRD pro towing a 3 Alxe with a 33 foots boat. I work great.
Was?
Yes it moved along.
Hi what is your option on the catalytic converters being stolen.
I just purchased a 2024 and am concerned
Personally, I don't like red interior on any vehicle, it's gaudy, to bright, to busy. So the red interior would be a no sale for me, other than that the exterior looks pretty nice.
Nice looking truck for sure but Toyota needs to offer a proper low range with locking front diff , full under body protection and yes gm has the better screen and electronics I think they just announced too that prices are going up for 24 years more unaffordable over priced pickups and with the avg interest rate for 60 mos at about 7% plus. No bueno
That is a beautiful truck. Needs bigger tires.
Surprised your boat trailer has electric brakes instead of surge brakes. In my part of the country we just started seeing those on boats in the last few years.
I was surprised too. I had a trailer built for my boat about 10 years ago and I had them put discs on both axles with surge. Stopped pretty well for a boat!
What lake is that?
Is the infotainment still problematic or did they fix it with updates. I remember TFL was not a fan of it when it first came out
It is fixed
But Andrea..the clothes you're wearing match-up really good and nicer with the vehicles interior, kudos!! 🎉😂😊
What hitch were you using?
Wow that headliner an upper pillars really match with the rest of that interior! SMH come on Toyota
The what suspension??
No wonder sales are up 30%, great vehicle!
Time will tell if it’s a great vehicle. I hope it is.
I gotta 2023 trd pro a month ago.....yes, they are pretty sweet! No bugs from the first year model, most have been worked out for this 2nd year....time will tell.
What year are you talking about 2022 or 2023?
These are horrible numbers, my 2010 Tundra 5.7L pulls a bigger boat and gets 10mpg!! I’m also getting 18mpg on the Highway!! This new platform is a epic failure.. So sad.
So you add taxes and license that truck is 80k. As a business expense OK, but as a vanity project for rolling on the freeways of L.A. I say no way even as I can afford it. I just don't see the value. JMO
Andre looks so happy in the thumbnail photo. Time to trade in the Chevy???
yeah that truck he got sucks
@@jliefer2484 it's too small plus his mirrors suck foe towing 😮
Nice Tige, Andre..
11.7mpg in a hybrid? what’s the point?
POWERRRRR
Is it that hard to grasp that this hybrid system is made for power and not specifically economy?
@@perpelleoh please--they could've easily gotten more power out of the 5.7 if they wanted to, let's be honest here. the hybrid shit everyone is on is strictly because of govt emission standards...all of which is for naught because the MPGs on these new engines are barely better than the N/As they are replacing.
@@JokerG16 If the 5.7 got the same power/performance as this power train it would definitely be thirstier.
If the 5.7 got the same power/performance as this power train it wouldn't be near the same regarding emissions.
Noone is telling you that the hybrid power train isn't a part of emission demands but it's still not made for maximum fuel efficiency.
It's a compromise between cost, emissions and power.
Really wish it have twin turbo V8
Doe it have a cruise control Andrei?😂😂😂
What is the payload on this truck as equipped?
1350
@@gatordunn that’s low.
I got a 2023 trd pro and it's 1900 lb payload. don't know where u are getting 1350 from
That is a large spread between these 2 trucks. Maybe one has a lot more options than 🤔 the other one. I have 1806 in my XLT trim, which is good for a half ton. However, that is a lower trim level and doesn't have every option known to mankind.
@@keithcrandall1369 from my 23 pro door sticker in bright yellow, i would be so happy if what you are saying was true, but its not correct
You mention two different tow/haul modes but then never explained the difference and started talking about Eco mode. What's the difference?
My two issues with this vehicle, 1 the windshiel is small top to bottom , it makes me feel like the truck is squinting when I'm driving. 2 that camo interior is just not attractive for me. I still want to drive when for more than a test drive
Nice truck😅
Really. 😂
Towed a boat on eco mode.
You should've turned on the tow mode. it also keeps the engine running
I would once again get me Nissan XD while they're still around. Love mine... Last old school truck left on the market and 100k warranty, i do not get why is that truck not selling. for towing i prefer v8 over turbocharged v6. Not for power, but for simplicity and longevity. Also not to forget cheeper than anything else.
P.S. that red interior redefines ugly😬
smart man. that Titan XD is egregiously slept on
Same here! I have a 2022 Titan Pro4X XD, and pulls my 10,000lbs 5th wheel really wheel. My father in law just blew up his 2020 Silverado 1500 6.2L. It blew pistons. GM is telling him it will be several months before they can order a new motor. He sold it back to the dealership, and went and bought a 2023 Titan xd platinum. We just returned from a 1200+ miles camping trip, and he couldn’t be happier.
You are absolutely correct!!
@@JokerG16um, no. People just don't want to pay 2023 prices for a truck with the specs from 2005... exactly why it doesn't sell.
@@frankgrochot8719 yeah they want to pay 2023 prices for a truck with a bunch of screens inside of it smh
Weigh Safe ball mount? Hope the Gen-Y brass don't watch this!
Truck is too complicated. More shit to break, get rid of the turbos, hybrid, & slap an ol reliable v8. Prolly get the same mileage youre gettin now
Great review, but not impressed, I'll take my Titan any day...just my preference.
Hello tow specs
Floor board it doing 60 mph pulling a trailer I want to see and hear it
Just read how this truck was last in a mid-level truck comparo. At least it’s also the most expensive.
Hopefully it tows better than it off roads. 🙄
Nice truck overall. Motor trend favors the zr2 overall however.
zr2 will be breaking down when it gets to 75-100k miles. no big deal if you don't keep long term
@@keithcrandall1369 that’s a tough one in this particular case as this is first generation of this tundra but yes not a big deal for those that lease.
Like the truck but paying 75000 for a truck then having to pay a subscription for certain features is a absolute turn off. Also red and black interior with a unchangeable tan roofline is awful.
2022???
18 mpg..... that's really poopy!! I was gonna get a new Tundra but now I think I would rather go with a Ram 3500 Cummins
alright have fun with junk
@@GeoBob-xf3hh
How is the New Tundra better then a New Ram 3500 Cummins?
18MPG on such a big truck is not bad.
6200 pound truck that goes 0-60 in just under 6 seconds and still gets 18mpg is pretty good IMO
@@keithcrandall1369
And the 2023 Chevy silverado 1500 3.0 duramax is just as fast and gets almost 30 mpg on 35's!! Any truck is better then the Tundra now a days
All tundra owners I know , don’t tow nothing. They don’t even leave city. No need for trailer info on screen
According to André the Tow-Yoda must tow pretty good. 😉😁
That swaybar end link is way too close to that CV boot. Toyota really screwed the pooch on that design.
🤣😂 huh?
You mean they didn’t run it past you first???
Have you seen one in person? It's over an inch and a half away, and it gets farther as the suspension compresses.
Well, ladies. There is in fact a person who has indeed encountered this problem. Took his tundra offroad, touched his shitty designed swaybar and shoved the link into his CV boot. Notice only the Tundra/Sequoia are the only TNGA-F trucks that have the swaybar positioned in a vulnerable spot. Both the 300 and new 250 Cruisers have their swaybar and end links tucked away. Not my fault you naysayers don't have any common sense.
@@CACressida yea this has never happened. Post a link
I'll stick to my GMC.
Imagine buying " large " pick up truck that has gasoline engine and lowest towing capacity
👍👍👍
Tow a 10K pound boat and let's see how it performs
That bright red interior would get old after about 15 minutes. Don’t like it.
I'm 1 year and 25K miles into mine and absolutely love it!! Nothing but compliments on it.
1.7 kwh battery... Gives you usable electricity worth $0.20 to $0.75 😂depending on your local rates.
it's not a plugin hybrid
@@keithcrandall1369 No kidding. I can also compare electric prices in Nashville vs Honolulu even tho they don't connect to the same grid either.
Hell yeah, it's just $80k lol.. who's making $200k year to afford this stuff??
The interior is awesome - too bad about the tow hooks
not for the price their asking...
Now tell everyone about that noisy plastic interior🤣
You’re a bunch of fan boys getting paid by Toyota
Half ass Pro!
I'll take my ram 1500 classic that's too complicated for me 😮😮🛻🛻🛻