yes but they dont tow the same weight and configuration so the results dont mean much..a little odd that they dont unless they want to skew the results and toyotas hybrid battery warranty sucks i got rid of my prius under warranty as the batteries were failing and they were not failing bad enough..ill wait for solid state batteries..their warranty is terrible
I'm sad to say that in an apples to apples test, this hybrid Tundra isn't very impressive compared to competition in real-life towing. The hype and excitement is there in the media, but the real-life numbers are par at best when all is on a standardized test, and other auto-journalists have proven it. I'm a Toyota fanboy myself, so it hurts me worse than most to admit this. If they introduce a hybrid that has lithium batteries that can plug in and commute/run errands in EV mode and then tow and go the distance in hybrid mode, like a Rav4 Prime, then they'd be in a league of their own for the win. But too many buyers want the interior tech/bloat/luxury and not the actual function and true performance gains, so this is what we get.
@@lutomson3496 Toyota Prius owners report quite the opposite though. Toyota treats their Prius warranty claims better than any other model due to image concerns. Plus the batteries have a very good reputation if you get the lithium models. If you tell your story to Toyota they'll be quick to resolve your problem so as not to get comments like yours, because they are trying hard to be a leader with the Prius.
We’ve got a 2011 Silverado 6.2L that the wife uses to pull her horses to shows anywhere from 10 to 500 miles away. Total weight of trailer and horses is about 7k lbs. Since the Silverado is > 11 years old and the miles are starting to get up there, I’ve been thinking of replacing it with a new truck. The Tundra Hybrid looks like it brings a LOT of updates to the equation including larger fuel capacity (32 vs 26 gallons), lower octane fuel requirements (regular vs premium), higher load and towing capacity, and a better ride/environment. In addition, with the air suspension, you can inflate and balance a heavier towing load or deflate and enjoy a nice ride with no load. I’m thinking that in addition to pulling the horses, this would be a nice road trip vehicle with good comfort & range. This might just be the one we need. Thanks for the excellent review Andre and Mr. Truck!
I like watching TFL tow at max truck ratings, as these really show what the trucks are made of. Awesome truck, but $77K is so steep for a 1/2 ton pickup.
No way for a new developed pickup truck with a 6 cylinder they put that same six cylinder on the LS 500 and they still have major recalls and problems with that engine and it's been in that car tested since 2015 and they haven't got it right what does that tell you turbos do not work for long long time
@@scottmendoza8989 just cause it was in a different vehicle doesn’t mean it’s gonna be the same. Even tho it’s the same power train, there’s still changes they have to make and tweak it and make it function into a big pick up truck and have capability the way it does. The engine itself is one thing but everything else that makes it turn is not the same. You are comparing a small car to a full size pickup truck. A lot more strain and stress on a pickup and it’s not apples to apples. A lot of vehicles have little issues here and there first year, even the most reliable legendary Toyotas also had a few issues here and there in the beginning but what Toyota does best is tweak it little by little till it’s perfect and I’m sure they will figure it out and the tundra will be reliable. Time will tell though.
77k is especially alot for a truck that looks so awful in my opinion. Looks like a solid truck but everytime I see one I just cant help but think how bad the front end looks.
It's great to finally see a towing video with the hybrid Tundra. I have a 22' Limited, and it tows my 19' NOBO like a dream. Immediately after breaking it in, I took a family vaca to Glacier, from Eastern WA, and I was impressed.
Great Job! I agree you guys should have a chart at the end with different trucks models, truck year, payload and mpg. So far, I like what I see with Tundra.
@@adamsmiths3016 - Toyota makes awesome vehicles, these are still amazing trucks! The only issue I see is longevity, turbo’s produce more revs and heat which shorten engine life.
Good to see Mr. Truck with Andre. I’d like to see him go on the other tow test with the slow speed and curvy two lane to get his take on that one. That’s the true toughest towing test in my opinion. I like the new Tundra. I think they vastly improved the styling.
Toyota tested the Tundra Hybrid throughout my state of West Virginia for that very reason (hills and sharp curves everywhere) before almost any information was released about this current generation, and that's where some of the image leaks in the media came from. I'm not sure if the "leaks" were on purpose or not.
I would love to see a chart with every truck's results in the Ike. Historical and current. Especially mpg. Thank you for the great content. The Ike is what draws me to your site.
Would be interesting if you re-did the Ike with the same weight that you towed behind the non-hybrid to see if apples to apples, the hybrid powertrain actually gets better MPG or not💪
Why would it get better MPG? The hybrid wasnt active except for the first 5 seconds when they accelerated from 35 to 60mph. Even then it abruptly shut off at 50 mph and the engine had to get it from 50 to 60mph by itself. If anything, the extra 500 lbs of battery and electrical components makes it worse.
I think this truck is a good starting base for the new Tundra platform. I'm hoping they do some tweaking to it over time to get it better fuel mileage and maybe higher power export figures. But overall this truck seems to be a big upgrade over a previous gen Tundra and provided Toyota has in fact fixed the waste gate problem on the early manufactured ones and this has good reliability I think it will be a great truck option for many.
I love seeing Andre and Mr Truck going on the Ike together. Both of you guys got me started watching TFL years ago. It’s about time!! Keep it going guys love your content
I've always loved Tundra's and I think Toyota did a great job with the redesign and hybrid option. Completely agree with the TFL guys though, with the F150 Powerboost, Ford has Toyota beat on power export. Having a giant portable inverter is huge.
So glad to see this test. I plan on buying Tundra and one thing I need it to do is tow my 10,000 lbs boat/trailer roughly 90 miles twice a year. Mostly flat highways....this gives me confidence in the truck.
People are just straight hating on the v6 tt. For reliability who knows, time will tell. As for the interior and exterior, it’ll grow on you. I have 1794 hv. People say it’s having problems, yes it’s a first year issue, ford, dodge and Chevy still have transmission and lifter issues and they have been in the market for years.
Great video , Andre/Mr.Truck, your routine was rushed in this video , not the normal, its all good and nice to see you 2 back together, the Tundra Capstone is just that a well finished product inside and out,68 decibels at 60 mph @4000 rpms is good, my car cruising on the highway at the same speed @2850 rpms with nothing on is at 74 decibels and i thought that was good , the Tundra performed well in this towing test , $77,000 is not any different than any of the big 3 , they are in the same ball park, i agree with Andre that the pro power on board in the Ford hybrid system is a sweet thing to have in case of an outage and you do not have to buy the most expensive model to get it, that's a bit of a leg up for Ford, it would be a hard toss up between the Ford and Tundra for me , time will tell 👍
I want to see you use the Tow/Haul+ mode setting for both downhill and the climb too. Also if you set the Adaptive cruise control in the hybrid models, it will shut off the engine and use the electric motor for braking until the battery is full and then restart the engine and downshift to hold that set speed. I do need to try this at night to see if it also applies the brakes (brake lights). I learned this when returning from Lancaster PA to Pittsburgh using US Route 30 up over the mountains. Towing my camper is next, but wanted to get some miles on it before towing thru the relatively small mountains(compared to the Rockies) of PA.
8:50 the Tundra had turbo and battery boost. Then hybrid boost dropped to zero. Did the Tundra ever access hybrid boost again going up the Ike gauntlet?
Would be nice if you added the following talking points/analysis. 1. Payload 2. Confidence and Frequency you'd perform a max tow with the truck vs. deciding that upgrading to a more capable vehicle (HD or 2500) is the better choice.
I’d venture to say they were over payload on this one….I’ve shopped the new Tundra, the lack of payload capacity is what turned me away. The SR5 that I looked at had just over 1200 payload…
Seems every commercial I see with the new tundra towing, it always looks like the rear end is squatting. I don’t think that’s a desirable trait in a tow vehicle. I’m sure the slightly softer suspension gives it a better ride but I’d rather have a stiffer ride and not feel like the truck was being overloaded.
@@MC_015I doubt they were over payload (they seem to be aware of those things), but you know they were flirting with it seeing they were using a weight distribution hitch.
Picking my 2022 F150 Lariat 502a full Hybrid tomorrow. I looked at Toyota Limited Hybrid, but it lacked so many important safety features and cheap quality plastic, leather and old style buttons, I just walked out if the dealership. Not to mention, my insurance premium went down by 22% per month for 2022 F150 because of Auto Pilot 2.0 and additional safety system. Ir has 7.2KW pro power, and it rides so well too and tows like a champ.
Not doubting your opinion, but how do you know how it tows when you are picking it up tomorrow(a year ago)? Did the dealer let you tow on a test drive?
Truck prices are insane now. My Silverado in 2014 was 42k. A friend just paid 44k for his Tacoma (off road) 2 weeks ago. Most silverados in comparable trim to mine are now 55k. Insanity.
Same here. I bought a ram 1500 Laramie in 2014 brand new for 42k. Now the same truck is in the 60's. They have priced these trucks out of the average working man's price. Even the used trucks are high. Looks like I will be keeping my ram
Right! The fully loaded 2021 platinum and 1794 with 4wd could both be had for 53k, now the SR5 with cloth seats costs that much or more! Seems now a luxury truck makes more of a statement than a luxury vehucle like a Mercedes or BMW!
Leases are insane as well. I was up at the dealership on Wednesday because the lease is up on my car in 3 months and can turn it in early. I currently pay $485/month for my vehicle. The same vehicle, only 3 years newer, but had a $2100 LOWER window sticker price than my current vehicle is $713/month….
I pulled a 5000 lb rv trailer with a 3.0L diesel SUV around Colorado in mid August, and had to keep an eye on my temperature gauge. I did not drive the Ike, but sometimes I had to slow down, turn off the ac, etc. to help lower the coolant temperature. The fact that the Tundra can pull 10,000 lbs up a 7% grade to 11,000 ft for 8 minutes without needing to manage coolant temperature is really impressive! There is a reason why the grill on the Tundra is rather large.
It was only 59*F at the bottom of the climb and 52F at the top. No truck should have issues overheating in those conditions. My 2014 F150 Ecoboost has cooling issues in the summer towing around Utah and Wyoming too, but anything below ~80F outside and its fine. What diesel do you have?
@@Jay-me7gw I have a 2012 VW Touareg with a Malone stage 1 tune. Last summer before the trip I also had a 3" lift and new lower front bumper with plates from Eurowise installed. I am suspecting that the new center plate may be decreasing my cooling ability. Temperatures were often 85F plus. I never had problems with enough power/torque to tow up any hill, even at 11,000 ft. Just cooling. May take it out next year when towing.
Andre the only time you had it in any type of tow-haul mode was when you was going down the mountain testing the engine braking. The new Tundra and older version always displays whatever mode you choose on the dash it doesn’t stop illuminating unless you turn it off or don’t have it on from the get go it will shut off if you turn the vehicle off. Let’s see how the Tundras rpm’s and transmission performs with tow-haul plus mode actually on towing 10,000 lbs up the Super Ike Gauntlet and when you floor it from 35 to 60mph. They equip the Tundra with the new tow-haul plus feature for a reason it’s only fair to use it during these test no reason to judge or discredit the Tundra in comparison to the competition unless all tow features are on and the test are truly compared equally to whatever the competition may be. When you do the decibel test ask Toyota is there a way to turn the speakers off from making the fake V8 engine noise that way you get a accurate measurement. Love your videos keep up the great work glad somebody decided to do what you do that way people know what they are truly getting before they buy a truck.
Very nice truck. I have had trucks for work and recreation since 1974. I am just now selling my 2006 F 250 as I no longer have a business and got rid of my travel trailer. It is the end of an era for me. I just like watching your videos. You guys are awesome.
I agree with you on the oil and transmission temperature gauges. It needs numbers or change colors from green to yellow to red. A gray bar means nothing..
Hello Andre. I like to see Me Truck doing an ike with you. It take me back in the first years that i began to watch TFL I think it was in 2014 because at that time i was in search for a new pick-up. At that time, i was gathering informations on the F-150 3.5 ecoboost.
Cool. Still would rather have the V8 again. Yeah it has less output but it’s just simpler with less to go wrong, longer service life, and does about the same mpg wise when towing.
What this truck needs is an inline 6 diesel. That would be amazing! 25+ mpg in a pickup truck vs 16 mpg is always welcome, and that's what diesels commonly pull, but emissions regs do consumers dirty and prevent these great engines from hitting market.
@@qx4n9e1xp yeah it’s a shame. Diesel can run off used cooking oil, kerosene, etc. Diesel fuel is a byproduct of the gasoline. refining process. If only they’d come out with a cleaner diesel fuel then we wouldn’t have to put up with def and emissions equipment.
Looking forward to tests with the 2023 Sequoia hybrid. I have a family of 6 and a 32' travel trailer. I think it shares this powertrain, so even this test was encouraging.
Cool video!!! I did notice in the up hill tow that the tow + was not light in the cluster, does this mean that you towed 10000lb up the hardest up hill climb without tow mode engaged?
Re-test this same tow test with the Tundra hybrid actually in tow-haul or tow-haul + mode. The Tundra was never in any tow haul mode going up hill only down hill I’m sure there would be a huge difference with it actually on come on TFL make sure these test are done right and equally all the way around before comparing apples to apples thanks and keep up the great work.
Not sure if they've changed this, but my 2018 f150 also defaults to normal drive mode whenever you shut it off. I agree, if the trailer is still attached (the truck even tells me it still is) why wouldn't it just stay in tow/ haul?
I know you said on the temp gauges there’s no numerical indication, but for only an 8 mile stretch that oil temperature seemed a little closer to the red zone than I would like.
That’s one of the issues with any turbocharged engine, they run hotter, at higher rpm’s and that increases the wear and tear on the engine shortening it’s lifespan.
If Toyota added a system like Ford's Power Onboard it would be a perfect truck. I use mine almost daily at jobsites. I used to use a generator and now there's no need for one.
It's honestly disappointing they didn't have that. Toyota's hybrid minivan has a 1.5kW system, yet they only give their full-size hybrid truck 400W? They definitely made a few bad decisions designing this truck.
@Jean Toronto Raptors Being disappointed is an opinion. I'm not allowed to be disappointed that their truck doesn't have as much power available as their minivan? Toyota clearly has the capability to implement it, especially on a truck this expensive. This hybrid Tundra has an electrical system that the engineers did not fully utilize in order to compete with the only other current hybrid truck, the F150, so of course it's going to be directly compared. Ram, GM, and Nissan 1/2 ton trucks all have 400W outlets available, same as this hybrid truck, which has far greater electrical generation capabilities. They phoned it in when designing features on this truck.
IMHO, hybrids are the way to go, you get the best of both worlds. This can always be improved on, I have great suggestions that haven't been thought of yet. My ideas are for sale btw. That price is actually very affordable.
Agreed, the limited range on the EV’s when towing is scary. The F-150 lightning going from a 330 mile range to under 100 miles range when towing is atrocious. Imagine having to stop every 1.5 hrs, recharge for an hour, on a 500+ mile trip. 2.5hrs for every 100 miles…yikes
Hybrids along with electric vehicles emit radiation. They are AC currents not DC. If you drive by yourself and dont take long drives all the time its not to big of a deal as the batteries are usually in the back seat. But if you do drive a lot and have you kids that ride with you, then sorry u cant in good conscience subject my kids to that.
@@gfgneo I’m no fan of EV’s but you’re just wrong here. The energy coming into the car(the charge is AC) but the car stores and emits DC power. This is exactly how your home works. AC is delivered to the home. As far as the radiation, or EMF, EV’s emit less than 20% of what’s considered a dangerous level. For reference, a standard, non EV still emits 10% of the dangerous level. Making both vehicles safe in that regard
Welcome back Mr. Truck !!!! These towing tests are awesome; however, in the different conditions it is hard to compare between tests. It was 55F for this test. How would this truck have performed if it were much warmer or if the air was less dense as it was in other truck tests? Would the oil temperature stayed within limits?
The thing about Toyota is people think they are behind. What they do is perfect what they can bring before a release. It's the safest way to keep reliability and keep customers coming back with no problems.
Did I miss the actual tow rating and payload rating? I was particularly curious about the payload rating on the sticker since it’s a hybrid and it’s loaded with luxury features.
I tow a 28 foot travel trailer that weights 5700 pounds with my 2022 Tundra TRD pro and i have rear air suspension. Going up hill and driving on flat ground is great. But the biggest problem i have is going down hills. The transmission is limited and does not let you down shift well. Especially when traveling down hills below 40mph. You have to use the trailer brakes and truck brakes way too often. Its dangerous and wouldn't recommend this truck for towing downhill. Stopping power is horrible.
Did anyone notice this truck was not in tow/haul or tow + the whole way up the Ike? Also I noticed how low the oil pressure is only 1/4 of the way up on the scale even at 4k rpm as they went up the Ike. I know the oil pressure is variable by the computer not actual engine rpm these day but interesting enough especially when I can see oil temps are rising and the engine was in boost as well.
I’ve driven some EVs, and the regen braking is strong enough to almost exclusively use one pedal. I’m curious how the strength of regen didn’t help more. Maybe because the hybrid regen isn’t as strong as a full EV? Also, if your electric system is full to capacity, will you still be able to use regen? For example, your descending a long pass like that and your regen tops of your system, will the regen braking assist stop? If not, where would all the electricity being generated go?
I’ve had a few Toyota hybrids and a couple of evs and overwhelming the hybrid braking system is very easy. More than very gentle braking it starts hitting the friction brakes.
I think it's just Toyota's design, I've driven 2 generations of Lexus ES hybrids and the regen feels nothing more than normal engine braking. the new Toyoat EV BZ4X has a one pedal driving button, so maybe it's a motor capability thing, or simply software. Also speaking form one of my Lexus experience, under normal driving, the battery wouldn't charge pass 80% by design, but I was going down a mountain once and it was the first and only time I saw the battery get full, and the motor braking feeling felt the same afterwards. Pretty sure the generated electricity after full just gets wasted, like keeping your phone plugged in after 100%, it just heats up the phone.
They system by design will not charge above 80% on it's own to allow a buffer for excessive regen. The battery indicator might show it's full, but on the data list it'll only be at 80%. I have never seen ANY Toyota hybrid HV battery above 80% SOC. So in a sense, yes. When the battery shows full, you still in reality have 20% buffer for regen and then the Hybrid system will bleed that off on the next acceleration. Otherwise, it'll not allow regen if the battery gets to a true 100%.
@@3lbtrigger this is helpful, so on a steep multi-mile decent with a load, you can theoretically fill the battery and the regen deactivates. Interesting!
I agree with Mr Truck in that all trucks these days (especially the HD's imo) should have rear air bags, at least as an option, especially with the prices being so high now. We have the tech now that allows for both heavy hauling capabilities and comfortable driving.
Air suspension is great when they are new, but, once the lines get old and brittle it's just a pain in the (rear) chasing down the problems. I'm putting normal shocks on my older Navigator, there are several aftermarket kits for the 07-17 generation Expeditions and Navigators that replace the air suspension with normal struts.
Some really good half ton choices these days. IMO it comes down to which one you think looks best. All of them are plenty capable for the average user.
@@fcodxdart1083 how many percentages of people buying a truck look at the payload ? I’m not disagreeing with you that payload is Important but 90% of truck buyers don’t even know payload.
@@9663mu What's sad is that most buyers are looking for a living room with a microscopic bed behind it just to pretend that it's a manly "truck". How many of these trucks do you really think are going to haul firewood, dirt, or gravel? How many do you think are going to be models that can haul a piece of lumber and still close the tailgate without it sticking out? When I grew up, almost every truck had an 8 foot bed that was used multiple times per week to haul stuff that couldn't be hauled by a car or van. So what if you had two adults and two children? You didn't need a back seat; you put those two kids into the same middle seat belt or tossed them in the back with the cargo.
I see alot of people are talking about how expensive it is but a F150 lariat hybrid is now 75k. Also, the Lariat is not in the same class as the Tundra Capstone. The resale will is also better with the Toyota than the F150.
Toyota hit a home run with the truck. If i was in the market for a new truck, its the only 1/2 ton truck I'd look at besides the Ford Hybrid. The price tag is definitely up there, but I'm guessing it will hold its value well. Outstanding video and well done Toyota.
I think Toyota dropped the ball on this. The hybrid system is basically pointless. Toyota is the hybrid system pioneer. I expected a lot more from them. Especially in the MPG dept
Those temps are a little higher than I'd like to see, if a brand new truck is running those temps I'd hate to see how quickly it would overheat after 3-5 years of ownership
One thing I’ve been curious about with the new Tundra (hybrid or non-hybrid) is if using premium fuel vs 87 would result in an MPG difference. Some vehicles do, some don’t.
@@DreX-8810 Do you have proof? have you logged ignition timing and put it on the dyno? This engine has a compression ratio higher than the previous gen Tundra's V8 and runs nearly 15 psi of boost on top of that. It could probably run 100 octane and still not be at peak timing.
I'm really interested on seeing how this truck holds up in the long term. Toyota has never turbo charged anything other than a Supra and having dual turbochargers I wonder if the engine wears out twice as fast? Yeah it's good when it's below 50,000 miles on the car but long-term I just don't see it and paying $70 almost 80 grand to find out no thanks
Exactly and they gave an estimate on what it would cost to replace those turbos you have to take out the transmission or the engine to get to them just like you do on the Ford cuz they put them underneath the car in between the frame and the transmission on this one so you're looking at probably 8 to 10 grand to replace them with labor and parts parts
You are wrong about Toyota and how many cars they have made with turbos on them. Also Trains and Semi trucks use turbos all the time. If they were such an issue, they wouldn't still be using them today. The big three use them too, so hating on a turbo?? whatevs
I own a 1998 Supra with the stock twin turbos still with 160k miles. I've had no issues with the turbos. Technology of turbochargers now is vastly superior than the technology turbos from 30 years ago. The idea that turbos will wear out is in my opinion, an unproven assumption. For me, regardless if an engine is normally aspirated or forced induction, if you don't maintain it, it will fail. Also, the Supra is not the only turbo engine Toyota has ever produced. The MR2, 4 Runner, Soarer, Chaser, Camry, Celica, Hi-Ace, Landcruiser, and I'm sure I'm missing others, all came with a turbo option engine.
Supra, mr2, chaser, celica, RAV4, 4Runner, Camry, Corolla and many more Toyotas have had turbos in them. Just because it’s not the United States doesn’t mean they don’t do it 😂
You're looking healthy Mr. Truck. Good to see you back in action with Andre. You 2 make a good team. :) Did this truck seem like it hunted for gears a lot? Just yesterday I was following not 1 but 3 different Tundras up a 12 mile 8 % grade highway. Their trim packages were all different from SR5 to TRD but every one of them were hunting for gears and they were NOT towing anything. And only 1 of them had any cargo at all in the bed and it was less than 4 hundred pounds. As I followed along in my 5th Gen. 4R TRD OR and only shifted twice, they were shifting up and down for a gear regularly. It was bizarre. Did not notice any other truck(hear or see)them hunting for gears.
@@MrTruckTV Thank you sir. That is good to know information. Although, it does seem to contradict what I witnessed, however, they were NOT this trim level. I would now throw this vehicle into the ring with the other towing trucks for its longer life value.
@@WW-wf8tu It's on my list of future trucks along with 3.0L diesel in GM 1500 and 2023 Ford F250 with 6.8L gas STX. It'll take 2 years to decide which one
My limited experience with air ride suspensions is that they start leaking after ~5-10 year and are pretty expensive to replace/repair. Not sure if Toyota did a better job at selecting more reliable air bag components to maintain their top notch reliability reputation.
Just got a 28ft travel trailer and it pulls like a dream with the new iforce max. However payload is the biggest problem with this truck. It's only around 1400 lbs where ford is closer to 1800-1900.
I laughed at Mr. Truck's comment when Andre was going over the features and it came to HP and torque. Mr. Truck said well at least they got item that was class leading after 15 years.
Nice video, so nice seeing Mr. Truck again. Andre’s friendship with Mr. Truck is great to see. The Ike gauntlet is a good real world test. I pull a horse trailer on weekends and occasionally do small house projects that require towing equipment, even towed a Cat one time. The details you point out are really helpful. One thing I would like to see is a 60 to 0 mph stop test on smooth roads and on dirt roads for comparisons between the models. Maybe incorporate that into your drag races 0-60 and then right away 60-0… keep up the great work!
Leave the heavy towing to domestic turbo diesel trucks. If you use that Tundra like I use my GMC 2500 HD it simply won’t hold up to the abuse. Brakes, frame, suspension not heavy enough in a Tundra. The Rental dealer I I frequent won’t allow customers to pull skid steers on a trailer with a Tundra or most any other half ton trucks.Said too much liability. Said a customer insisted his Tundra was enough truck to tow 12K lbs, after hooking up trailer rear end was excessively pushed to the ground. Would not allow customer to drive away, ended up delivering with there F-350. Don’t kid yourself with these half ton trucks.
I was looking into the Tundra before I ended up with the F150 Powerboost ‘21. I’m glad I didn’t wait as the added pro power makes way more sense for the hybrid setup. It tows great even if the engine gets thirsty towing in the hills; around town it gets 14-18mpg depending on the trailer type and load. I would just have a V8 if I didn’t use the pro power as much as I do. I wish these companies experimented with a diesel hybrid system.
As always another great video, it's good to see Toyota finally stepped up there game & can now compete with the other 1/2 ton trucks on towing. That is a sharp & strong truck but I still had rather have the V8.
I don't know why they waited so long. I wish they incorporated some reliability into their testing. It's not even a competition when it comes to Toyota. American trucks can't even make it to 100k without thousands in repairs.
@@robodrop2392 I own a very large solar company and we tow or haul nearly every mile with half tons. We sell off our trucks between 135 & 150k on them. Currently half ford half ram. It’s usually less than 3 years of use but we very rarely have any problems with them. Maybe a handful of turbos on the fords and the ecodiesels like to have DEF errors but I can’t remember the last time we had a bug failure of any kind. ~ 135 trucks in the fleet currently
@@robodrop2392 I have an 08 F150 with 265,000 4.6 & 5 speed manual & the only thing I've ever had to do is replace the alternator, and it's a 100% work truck, bed stays full & has always had a trailer hooked to it. And that ford is just one of many that I have.
@@mattbrew11 you are illustrating the difference of fleet trucks which receive scheduled maintenance on fluids, filters and parts. Versus a pov which maynot be taken care of as dilligently.
Hybrid energy is definitely the way to go. Way more advantages than straight EVs. I'm surprised their setup does not benefit mpg though. That's very weird. It absolutely SHOULD!
@@joshmccormick770 NHTSA says apx 90% of vehicles spend 50+% of their life driving within cities and towns. So by those numbers, it would give huge improvements to mpg. I'm not saying my Duramax should be a hybrid, but I think for gasoline vehicles they could net huge mpg improvements by having a hybrid electric system implemented *as the way of the future to assist the full time gasoline engine to make it run easier and this save of fuel. And a hybrid battery system is miles cheaper than a full EV system. Initially, maintenance, to replace, etc. Just cheaper.
@@natep1661 oh I'm not a hater on hybrids.. I own one actually, an I like it, however they have a place. Towing 10k pounds you will have no benefit is what I'm saying. Many will argue.. "well slowing down you will regen all the weight.. ahh.. yeah..and no. Once battery is full it's full, and also you will burn use it all back up when your take off with 10k pounds.. and you will ALWAYS burn more than you gained.. just like the saying goes " There is no such thing as perpetual motion." This is why you don't see hybrid semis. It wouldn't work in that platform.
@@joshmccormick770 Totally agree. No magic wand. I just think push everyone to ev is bad. It's nice as an option though for those who have proper application. Same with hybrids. It may be a nice upgrade/feature for someone.
It's about time TFL. I was just thinking I miss the old days of Andre/Mr Truck and the Ike. These are the videos that got TFL where it is today
Obviously they’ve forgotten.
it's what got me watching
Thanks I appreciate that
Yes!!!
@@btl4220 Thanks
Great to see Mr. Truck. I love the Ike. It's interesting to see these trucks pushed to their limits. Thanks guys for a great video
Thanks
You guys should have a chart at the end with different trucks models, truck year, payload and mpg. To compare between make and MY. thanks!
yes but they dont tow the same weight and configuration so the results dont mean much..a little odd that they dont unless they want to skew the results and toyotas hybrid battery warranty sucks i got rid of my prius under warranty as the batteries were failing and they were not failing bad enough..ill wait for solid state batteries..their warranty is terrible
I'm sad to say that in an apples to apples test, this hybrid Tundra isn't very impressive compared to competition in real-life towing. The hype and excitement is there in the media, but the real-life numbers are par at best when all is on a standardized test, and other auto-journalists have proven it. I'm a Toyota fanboy myself, so it hurts me worse than most to admit this. If they introduce a hybrid that has lithium batteries that can plug in and commute/run errands in EV mode and then tow and go the distance in hybrid mode, like a Rav4 Prime, then they'd be in a league of their own for the win. But too many buyers want the interior tech/bloat/luxury and not the actual function and true performance gains, so this is what we get.
@@lutomson3496 Toyota Prius owners report quite the opposite though. Toyota treats their Prius warranty claims better than any other model due to image concerns. Plus the batteries have a very good reputation if you get the lithium models. If you tell your story to Toyota they'll be quick to resolve your problem so as not to get comments like yours, because they are trying hard to be a leader with the Prius.
We’ve got a 2011 Silverado 6.2L that the wife uses to pull her horses to shows anywhere from 10 to 500 miles away. Total weight of trailer and horses is about 7k lbs. Since the Silverado is > 11 years old and the miles are starting to get up there, I’ve been thinking of replacing it with a new truck. The Tundra Hybrid looks like it brings a LOT of updates to the equation including larger fuel capacity (32 vs 26 gallons), lower octane fuel requirements (regular vs premium), higher load and towing capacity, and a better ride/environment. In addition, with the air suspension, you can inflate and balance a heavier towing load or deflate and enjoy a nice ride with no load. I’m thinking that in addition to pulling the horses, this would be a nice road trip vehicle with good comfort & range. This might just be the one we need. Thanks for the excellent review Andre and Mr. Truck!
I liked Andre's yelp of surprise in the intro. Always a good time with Mr. Truck!
I snuck up on him
@@MrTruckTV you are such a sneaky guy!
@@jamesbeaman6337 Yes
I like watching TFL tow at max truck ratings, as these really show what the trucks are made of. Awesome truck, but $77K is so steep for a 1/2 ton pickup.
With that quality of interior they have to charge. The Ram Longhorn and Limited are the only trucks comparable.
No way for a new developed pickup truck with a 6 cylinder they put that same six cylinder on the LS 500 and they still have major recalls and problems with that engine and it's been in that car tested since 2015 and they haven't got it right what does that tell you turbos do not work for long long time
Get used to it! The Heavy Duty trucks are approaching the $100,000 mark fully loaded.
@@scottmendoza8989 just cause it was in a different vehicle doesn’t mean it’s gonna be the same. Even tho it’s the same power train, there’s still changes they have to make and tweak it and make it function into a big pick up truck and have capability the way it does. The engine itself is one thing but everything else that makes it turn is not the same. You are comparing a small car to a full size pickup truck. A lot more strain and stress on a pickup and it’s not apples to apples. A lot of vehicles have little issues here and there first year, even the most reliable legendary Toyotas also had a few issues here and there in the beginning but what Toyota does best is tweak it little by little till it’s perfect and I’m sure they will figure it out and the tundra will be reliable. Time will tell though.
77k is especially alot for a truck that looks so awful in my opinion. Looks like a solid truck but everytime I see one I just cant help but think how bad the front end looks.
It's great to finally see a towing video with the hybrid Tundra. I have a 22' Limited, and it tows my 19' NOBO like a dream. Immediately after breaking it in, I took a family vaca to Glacier, from Eastern WA, and I was impressed.
Nobo is a tiny trailer. Even an old tundra can tow it just fine lol
Great Job! I agree you guys should have a chart at the end with different trucks models, truck year, payload and mpg. So far, I like what I see with Tundra.
Look up tundra recalls. It’s kinda scary. Let’s hope 2023 is better than 2022.
It's like lipstick on a pig. It may look good km the outside but that engine is a massive downgrade from the v8s
@@adamsmiths3016 - Toyota makes awesome vehicles, these are still amazing trucks! The only issue I see is longevity, turbo’s produce more revs and heat which shorten engine life.
@@Erin-Thor why change from a perfect v8 to a problem ridden v6 with turbos. Toyota had the perfect setup only to shoot themselves in the foot.
@@adamsmiths3016 - You’re preaching to the choir there.
Mr Truck and Andrey on the Ike! Best combo 😊👍🏻
Absolutely 👍👍.
Agreed
Great to be back
Love to see Mr. Truck! These videos are what brought me to TFL and I love to see this combo again of Mr. Truck and Andre.
I appreciate that
Good to see Mr. Truck with Andre. I’d like to see him go on the other tow test with the slow speed and curvy two lane to get his take on that one. That’s the true toughest towing test in my opinion.
I like the new Tundra. I think they vastly improved the styling.
Absolutely, he always has great insight and I'm so glad to see him back. I'd love to see him on the slow speed towing torture test.
Thanks guys
Toyota tested the Tundra Hybrid throughout my state of West Virginia for that very reason (hills and sharp curves everywhere) before almost any information was released about this current generation, and that's where some of the image leaks in the media came from. I'm not sure if the "leaks" were on purpose or not.
I would love to see a chart with every truck's results in the Ike. Historical and current. Especially mpg.
Thank you for the great content. The Ike is what draws me to your site.
Would be interesting if you re-did the Ike with the same weight that you towed behind the non-hybrid to see if apples to apples, the hybrid powertrain actually gets better MPG or not💪
Why would it get better MPG? The hybrid wasnt active except for the first 5 seconds when they accelerated from 35 to 60mph. Even then it abruptly shut off at 50 mph and the engine had to get it from 50 to 60mph by itself.
If anything, the extra 500 lbs of battery and electrical components makes it worse.
Per Toyota Engineering: The Hybrid driveline is not designed for better mileage. It is designed for more power.
I think this truck is a good starting base for the new Tundra platform. I'm hoping they do some tweaking to it over time to get it better fuel mileage and maybe higher power export figures. But overall this truck seems to be a big upgrade over a previous gen Tundra and provided Toyota has in fact fixed the waste gate problem on the early manufactured ones and this has good reliability I think it will be a great truck option for many.
Well said
Nope, still blowing turbos
My favorite duo! Btw 10k trailer is a lot for a half ton truck. Unbelievable!
Yes, a bit high for 1/2 ton truck
Thanks
@@robertpsotka3525 well it’s supposed to be a max tow and thats the max capacity.
Love you guys, what a dynamic duo, keep doing your thing guys and thanks a million
It's fun
@@MrTruckTV you guys definitely make it fun
@@mscottlawrence2037 Thanks
I love seeing Andre and Mr Truck going on the Ike together. Both of you guys got me started watching TFL years ago. It’s about time!! Keep it going guys love your content
Andre and Mr Truck. This is where it's at for me. You guys play off each other so well.
Mr. TRUCK!!! I love seeing him. I love the young guys and they do a great job, but it's nice to also see the seasoned guys!!!
Thank you.
Now I'm seasoned, I thought I was sexy beast !
I've always loved Tundra's and I think Toyota did a great job with the redesign and hybrid option. Completely agree with the TFL guys though, with the F150 Powerboost, Ford has Toyota beat on power export. Having a giant portable inverter is huge.
So glad to see this test. I plan on buying Tundra and one thing I need it to do is tow my 10,000 lbs boat/trailer roughly 90 miles twice a year. Mostly flat highways....this gives me confidence in the truck.
@@AtuMan190 i have no clue, but I'd guess 8 to 11 mpg
People are just straight hating on the v6 tt. For reliability who knows, time will tell. As for the interior and exterior, it’ll grow on you. I have 1794 hv. People say it’s having problems, yes it’s a first year issue, ford, dodge and Chevy still have transmission and lifter issues and they have been in the market for years.
@@2jzmk3supra nope, tundras have transmission problems for years.
@@III1IlIIlIllIl really, haven’t heard of any. Do you by the chance have proof of this?
Best way to start my day. Mr Truck and Andre
Like a threesome scenario or you mean just watching this video?
Awesome, and coffee
Great video , Andre/Mr.Truck, your routine was rushed in this video , not the normal, its all good and nice to see you 2 back together, the Tundra Capstone is just that a well finished product inside and out,68 decibels at 60 mph @4000 rpms is good, my car cruising on the highway at the same speed @2850 rpms with nothing on is at 74 decibels and i thought that was good , the Tundra performed well in this towing test , $77,000 is not any different than any of the big 3 , they are in the same ball park, i agree with Andre that the pro power on board in the Ford hybrid system is a sweet thing to have in case of an outage and you do not have to buy the most expensive model to get it, that's a bit of a leg up for Ford, it would be a hard toss up between the Ford and Tundra for me , time will tell 👍
I want to see you use the Tow/Haul+ mode setting for both downhill and the climb too. Also if you set the Adaptive cruise control in the hybrid models, it will shut off the engine and use the electric motor for braking until the battery is full and then restart the engine and downshift to hold that set speed. I do need to try this at night to see if it also applies the brakes (brake lights). I learned this when returning from Lancaster PA to Pittsburgh using US Route 30 up over the mountains. Towing my camper is next, but wanted to get some miles on it before towing thru the relatively small mountains(compared to the Rockies) of PA.
8:50 the Tundra had turbo and battery boost. Then hybrid boost dropped to zero. Did the Tundra ever access hybrid boost again going up the Ike gauntlet?
Don't put too much thought into it
@@T_81535Some people like to pick fly crap out of pepper.
Would be nice if you added the following talking points/analysis.
1. Payload
2. Confidence and Frequency you'd perform a max tow with the truck vs. deciding that upgrading to a more capable vehicle (HD or 2500) is the better choice.
I’d venture to say they were over payload on this one….I’ve shopped the new Tundra, the lack of payload capacity is what turned me away. The SR5 that I looked at had just over 1200 payload…
@@MC_015 Ya, thats why I went with a F150. 1800lb Payload.
Seems every commercial I see with the new tundra towing, it always looks like the rear end is squatting. I don’t think that’s a desirable trait in a tow vehicle. I’m sure the slightly softer suspension gives it a better ride but I’d rather have a stiffer ride and not feel like the truck was being overloaded.
@@MC_015I doubt they were over payload (they seem to be aware of those things), but you know they were flirting with it seeing they were using a weight distribution hitch.
I watch Mr.Truck on his own channel, but I really enjoy him and Andre🤙 Good simple TFL review, nostalgia is great!
Thanks for watching
Good to see Mr Truck and the Ike again. This is why I started watching TFL. Please make more of these. Get back to your roots.
Absolutely love you guys, when are y'all gonna upgrade to 4k 60fps cameras so we can see everything like we're there!?
Picking my 2022 F150 Lariat 502a full Hybrid tomorrow. I looked at Toyota Limited Hybrid, but it lacked so many important safety features and cheap quality plastic, leather and old style buttons, I just walked out if the dealership. Not to mention, my insurance premium went down by 22% per month for 2022 F150 because of Auto Pilot 2.0 and additional safety system. Ir has 7.2KW pro power, and it rides so well too and tows like a champ.
Not doubting your opinion, but how do you know how it tows when you are picking it up tomorrow(a year ago)? Did the dealer let you tow on a test drive?
Truck prices are insane now. My Silverado in 2014 was 42k. A friend just paid 44k for his Tacoma (off road) 2 weeks ago. Most silverados in comparable trim to mine are now 55k. Insanity.
lol GM is junk.
Same here. I bought a ram 1500 Laramie in 2014 brand new for 42k. Now the same truck is in the 60's. They have priced these trucks out of the average working man's price. Even the used trucks are high. Looks like I will be keeping my ram
Thanks Joey B!
Right! The fully loaded 2021 platinum and 1794 with 4wd could both be had for 53k, now the SR5 with cloth seats costs that much or more! Seems now a luxury truck makes more of a statement than a luxury vehucle like a Mercedes or BMW!
Leases are insane as well. I was up at the dealership on Wednesday because the lease is up on my car in 3 months and can turn it in early. I currently pay $485/month for my vehicle. The same vehicle, only 3 years newer, but had a $2100 LOWER window sticker price than my current vehicle is $713/month….
I pulled a 5000 lb rv trailer with a 3.0L diesel SUV around Colorado in mid August, and had to keep an eye on my temperature gauge. I did not drive the Ike, but sometimes I had to slow down, turn off the ac, etc. to help lower the coolant temperature. The fact that the Tundra can pull 10,000 lbs up a 7% grade to 11,000 ft for 8 minutes without needing to manage coolant temperature is really impressive! There is a reason why the grill on the Tundra is rather large.
It was only 59*F at the bottom of the climb and 52F at the top. No truck should have issues overheating in those conditions.
My 2014 F150 Ecoboost has cooling issues in the summer towing around Utah and Wyoming too, but anything below ~80F outside and its fine.
What diesel do you have?
@@Jay-me7gw I have a 2012 VW Touareg with a Malone stage 1 tune. Last summer before the trip I also had a 3" lift and new lower front bumper with plates from Eurowise installed. I am suspecting that the new center plate may be decreasing my cooling ability. Temperatures were often 85F plus. I never had problems with enough power/torque to tow up any hill, even at 11,000 ft. Just cooling. May take it out next year when towing.
Andre the only time you had it in any type of tow-haul mode was when you was going down the mountain testing the engine braking. The new Tundra and older version always displays whatever mode you choose on the dash it doesn’t stop illuminating unless you turn it off or don’t have it on from the get go it will shut off if you turn the vehicle off. Let’s see how the Tundras rpm’s and transmission performs with tow-haul plus mode actually on towing 10,000 lbs up the Super Ike Gauntlet and when you floor it from 35 to 60mph. They equip the Tundra with the new tow-haul plus feature for a reason it’s only fair to use it during these test no reason to judge or discredit the Tundra in comparison to the competition unless all tow features are on and the test are truly compared equally to whatever the competition may be. When you do the decibel test ask Toyota is there a way to turn the speakers off from making the fake V8 engine noise that way you get a accurate measurement. Love your videos keep up the great work glad somebody decided to do what you do that way people know what they are truly getting before they buy a truck.
I'm still in awe that people pay for both a muffler and fake engine noise on the same truck. Never underestimate the power of stupidity.
Very nice truck. I have had trucks for work and recreation since 1974. I am just now selling my 2006 F 250 as I no longer have a business and got rid of my travel trailer. It is the end of an era for me. I just like watching your videos. You guys are awesome.
I'll keep my 5.7 till the wheels fell off nice
Well.... it'll be a gooood while.
Amen
@Paul Herring Long live the 3UR's 💪
I agree with you on the oil and transmission temperature gauges. It needs numbers or change colors from green to yellow to red. A gray bar means nothing..
Can't wait to watch. These are my favorite videos that you guys do
Glad you watched
Hello Andre. I like to see Me Truck doing an ike with you. It take me back in the first years that i began to watch TFL I think it was in 2014 because at that time i was in search for a new pick-up. At that time, i was gathering informations on the F-150 3.5 ecoboost.
I appreciate it
Cool. Still would rather have the V8 again. Yeah it has less output but it’s just simpler with less to go wrong, longer service life, and does about the same mpg wise when towing.
What this truck needs is an inline 6 diesel. That would be amazing!
25+ mpg in a pickup truck vs 16 mpg is always welcome, and that's what diesels commonly pull, but emissions regs do consumers dirty and prevent these great engines from hitting market.
@@qx4n9e1xp I totally agree. I'd of loved a Tundra with a diesel. I'd probably actually consider buying one then
@@qx4n9e1xp yeah it’s a shame. Diesel can run off used cooking oil, kerosene, etc. Diesel fuel is a byproduct of the gasoline. refining process. If only they’d come out with a cleaner diesel fuel then we wouldn’t have to put up with def and emissions equipment.
@@vr4787 it's already there , GOV don't care it's all about making money , you think they honestly care about the environment .
I would not have anything to do with this truck. I would still rather have leaf springs and v8.
Glad you brought up the price of this rig. Great truck but my paid off 5.7l Tundra is stayin in my drive.
Great video. Best truck channel by far. Would like to see a direct tow and performance comparison between Tundra hybrid and non-hybrid.
The price is still better than than any EV truck and much more versatile.
😂😂😂😂🤦♂️
Looking forward to tests with the 2023 Sequoia hybrid. I have a family of 6 and a 32' travel trailer. I think it shares this powertrain, so even this test was encouraging.
What do you tow with currently? Curious as I’m in the same boat.
Same here. Keeping an eye on the Sequoia. Currently using a 2007 Silverado to pull a 26 footer
Cool video!!! I did notice in the up hill tow that the tow + was not light in the cluster, does this mean that you towed 10000lb up the hardest up hill climb without tow mode engaged?
Re-test this same tow test with the Tundra hybrid actually in tow-haul or tow-haul + mode. The Tundra was never in any tow haul mode going up hill only down hill I’m sure there would be a huge difference with it actually on come on TFL make sure these test are done right and equally all the way around before comparing apples to apples thanks and keep up the great work.
Not sure if they've changed this, but my 2018 f150 also defaults to normal drive mode whenever you shut it off. I agree, if the trailer is still attached (the truck even tells me it still is) why wouldn't it just stay in tow/ haul?
My 21 stays in tow/haul til the trailer is disconnected. The other modes it asks you if you’d like to return to the previous mode when you start it up
I know you said on the temp gauges there’s no numerical indication, but for only an 8 mile stretch that oil temperature seemed a little closer to the red zone than I would like.
That’s one of the issues with any turbocharged engine, they run hotter, at higher rpm’s and that increases the wear and tear on the engine shortening it’s lifespan.
I'm vey glad to see Kent(MR truck) back in the channel. When it comes to towing, he is my go to guy
Thanks
If Toyota added a system like Ford's Power Onboard it would be a perfect truck. I use mine almost daily at jobsites. I used to use a generator and now there's no need for one.
It's honestly disappointing they didn't have that. Toyota's hybrid minivan has a 1.5kW system, yet they only give their full-size hybrid truck 400W? They definitely made a few bad decisions designing this truck.
@Jean Toronto Raptors Being disappointed is an opinion. I'm not allowed to be disappointed that their truck doesn't have as much power available as their minivan? Toyota clearly has the capability to implement it, especially on a truck this expensive. This hybrid Tundra has an electrical system that the engineers did not fully utilize in order to compete with the only other current hybrid truck, the F150, so of course it's going to be directly compared.
Ram, GM, and Nissan 1/2 ton trucks all have 400W outlets available, same as this hybrid truck, which has far greater electrical generation capabilities. They phoned it in when designing features on this truck.
These are the type of videos that got me to sub and stay subbed. Please Never stop doing them
IMHO, hybrids are the way to go, you get the best of both worlds. This can always be improved on, I have great suggestions that haven't been thought of yet. My ideas are for sale btw. That price is actually very affordable.
Agreed, the limited range on the EV’s when towing is scary. The F-150 lightning going from a 330 mile range to under 100 miles range when towing is atrocious. Imagine having to stop every 1.5 hrs, recharge for an hour, on a 500+ mile trip. 2.5hrs for every 100 miles…yikes
Plug-in hybrid or why bother?
Hybrids along with electric vehicles emit radiation. They are AC currents not DC. If you drive by yourself and dont take long drives all the time its not to big of a deal as the batteries are usually in the back seat. But if you do drive a lot and have you kids that ride with you, then sorry u cant in good conscience subject my kids to that.
@@gfgneo I’m no fan of EV’s but you’re just wrong here. The energy coming into the car(the charge is AC) but the car stores and emits DC power. This is exactly how your home works. AC is delivered to the home. As far as the radiation, or EMF, EV’s emit less than 20% of what’s considered a dangerous level. For reference, a standard, non EV still emits 10% of the dangerous level. Making both vehicles safe in that regard
@@justaname109 he’s right, all electronics from your smartwatch to your smartphone release EMFs. Manufacturers just don’t want us to know about it.
Andre and Kent. MY favorite TFL Team.
Greatly appreciated
Welcome back Mr. Truck !!!! These towing tests are awesome; however, in the different conditions it is hard to compare between tests. It was 55F for this test. How would this truck have performed if it were much warmer or if the air was less dense as it was in other truck tests? Would the oil temperature stayed within limits?
The thing about Toyota is people think they are behind. What they do is perfect what they can bring before a release. It's the safest way to keep reliability and keep customers coming back with no problems.
@@enfekted13 toyota fan here, unfortunately this comment did not age well
Did I miss the actual tow rating and payload rating? I was particularly curious about the payload rating on the sticker since it’s a hybrid and it’s loaded with luxury features.
yes, payload specs please - I recall from the pressers that the hybrid had a silly low payload like 1200 ish.
@@zerog2000 that’s probably why the payload was never mentioned, it’s pitiful
I tow a 28 foot travel trailer that weights 5700 pounds with my 2022 Tundra TRD pro and i have rear air suspension. Going up hill and driving on flat ground is great. But the biggest problem i have is going down hills. The transmission is limited and does not let you down shift well. Especially when traveling down hills below 40mph. You have to use the trailer brakes and truck brakes way too often. Its dangerous and wouldn't recommend this truck for towing downhill. Stopping power is horrible.
Would love to see a chart of all of the trucks you've taken on the Ike gauntlet and how they compare
Looking at the dash going uphill, I don’t see Tow Haul on. Was it forgotten?
Great vid!
Regenerative braking could definitely be more aggressive especially for tow/haul. But that is definitely a nice looking truck
Did anyone notice this truck was not in tow/haul or tow + the whole way up the Ike? Also I noticed how low the oil pressure is only 1/4 of the way up on the scale even at 4k rpm as they went up the Ike. I know the oil pressure is variable by the computer not actual engine rpm these day but interesting enough especially when I can see oil temps are rising and the engine was in boost as well.
I’ve driven some EVs, and the regen braking is strong enough to almost exclusively use one pedal. I’m curious how the strength of regen didn’t help more. Maybe because the hybrid regen isn’t as strong as a full EV? Also, if your electric system is full to capacity, will you still be able to use regen? For example, your descending a long pass like that and your regen tops of your system, will the regen braking assist stop? If not, where would all the electricity being generated go?
I’ve had a few Toyota hybrids and a couple of evs and overwhelming the hybrid braking system is very easy. More than very gentle braking it starts hitting the friction brakes.
I think it's just Toyota's design, I've driven 2 generations of Lexus ES hybrids and the regen feels nothing more than normal engine braking. the new Toyoat EV BZ4X has a one pedal driving button, so maybe it's a motor capability thing, or simply software. Also speaking form one of my Lexus experience, under normal driving, the battery wouldn't charge pass 80% by design, but I was going down a mountain once and it was the first and only time I saw the battery get full, and the motor braking feeling felt the same afterwards. Pretty sure the generated electricity after full just gets wasted, like keeping your phone plugged in after 100%, it just heats up the phone.
They system by design will not charge above 80% on it's own to allow a buffer for excessive regen. The battery indicator might show it's full, but on the data list it'll only be at 80%. I have never seen ANY Toyota hybrid HV battery above 80% SOC. So in a sense, yes. When the battery shows full, you still in reality have 20% buffer for regen and then the Hybrid system will bleed that off on the next acceleration. Otherwise, it'll not allow regen if the battery gets to a true 100%.
@@3lbtrigger this is helpful, so on a steep multi-mile decent with a load, you can theoretically fill the battery and the regen deactivates. Interesting!
I feel like that's difficult because each oem, especially for hybrids, is going to have different regen programming
I agree with Mr Truck in that all trucks these days (especially the HD's imo) should have rear air bags, at least as an option, especially with the prices being so high now. We have the tech now that allows for both heavy hauling capabilities and comfortable driving.
Yes, pickups are only 60 years plus behind
The Tundra Capstone looks like the perfect truck for racking up the miles.
Love the Ike music intro. Brings back the old days memories. I like the MR Truck and Andre towing test. Great work guys.
Thanks
Great to see Mr Truck back! Looking forward to snow videos!
Great, me too
Air suspension is great when they are new, but, once the lines get old and brittle it's just a pain in the (rear) chasing down the problems. I'm putting normal shocks on my older Navigator, there are several aftermarket kits for the 07-17 generation Expeditions and Navigators that replace the air suspension with normal struts.
Some really good half ton choices these days. IMO it comes down to which one you think looks best. All of them are plenty capable for the average user.
I agree
Payload is a big factor as well. The tundra has the least of the 4 main trucks. When looking at travel trailers this is a huge factor.
@@fcodxdart1083 how many percentages of people buying a truck look at the payload ? I’m not disagreeing with you that payload is Important but 90% of truck buyers don’t even know payload.
@@9663mu What's sad is that most buyers are looking for a living room with a microscopic bed behind it just to pretend that it's a manly "truck". How many of these trucks do you really think are going to haul firewood, dirt, or gravel? How many do you think are going to be models that can haul a piece of lumber and still close the tailgate without it sticking out? When I grew up, almost every truck had an 8 foot bed that was used multiple times per week to haul stuff that couldn't be hauled by a car or van. So what if you had two adults and two children? You didn't need a back seat; you put those two kids into the same middle seat belt or tossed them in the back with the cargo.
Mr. Truck 👍 yay
Where have you been ??
THIS is classic TFL that we need more of !!!
Thanks, chasseing blue haired wild woman at the home
Hellyeah! Mr Truck is back!
Thanks
I see alot of people are talking about how expensive it is but a F150 lariat hybrid is now 75k. Also, the Lariat is not in the same class as the Tundra Capstone. The resale will is also better with the Toyota than the F150.
Now this is how you build a truck!
I have that Ford power boost Platinum, love the truck. Favorite thing on this Toyota is the rear air suspension and full roll down back.
Toyota hit a home run with the truck. If i was in the market for a new truck, its the only 1/2 ton truck I'd look at besides the Ford Hybrid. The price tag is definitely up there, but I'm guessing it will hold its value well. Outstanding video and well done Toyota.
I think Toyota dropped the ball on this. The hybrid system is basically pointless. Toyota is the hybrid system pioneer. I expected a lot more from them. Especially in the MPG dept
Lol not at all. The opposite actually. Lost in reliability and not much gain at all in capabilities
Those temps are a little higher than I'd like to see, if a brand new truck is running those temps I'd hate to see how quickly it would overheat after 3-5 years of ownership
One thing I’ve been curious about with the new Tundra (hybrid or non-hybrid) is if using premium fuel vs 87 would result in an MPG difference. Some vehicles do, some don’t.
We used premium 91 octane for this test.
I would imagine it would, especially towing. The higher temps and high boost means it will need it
I use 87 because that what it says to use, runs better that way too IMHO.
@@DreX-8810 Do you have proof? have you logged ignition timing and put it on the dyno?
This engine has a compression ratio higher than the previous gen Tundra's V8 and runs nearly 15 psi of boost on top of that. It could probably run 100 octane and still not be at peak timing.
@@TFLtruck i bet this engine would run amazing on E85. Gotta see if there are conversion kits
Sunday morning Ike and coffee so awesome
I'm really interested on seeing how this truck holds up in the long term. Toyota has never turbo charged anything other than a Supra and having dual turbochargers I wonder if the engine wears out twice as fast? Yeah it's good when it's below 50,000 miles on the car but long-term I just don't see it and paying $70 almost 80 grand to find out no thanks
Exactly and they gave an estimate on what it would cost to replace those turbos you have to take out the transmission or the engine to get to them just like you do on the Ford cuz they put them underneath the car in between the frame and the transmission on this one so you're looking at probably 8 to 10 grand to replace them with labor and parts parts
You are wrong about Toyota and how many cars they have made with turbos on them. Also Trains and Semi trucks use turbos all the time. If they were such an issue, they wouldn't still be using them today. The big three use them too, so hating on a turbo?? whatevs
I own a 1998 Supra with the stock twin turbos still with 160k miles. I've had no issues with the turbos. Technology of turbochargers now is vastly superior than the technology turbos from 30 years ago. The idea that turbos will wear out is in my opinion, an unproven assumption. For me, regardless if an engine is normally aspirated or forced induction, if you don't maintain it, it will fail. Also, the Supra is not the only turbo engine Toyota has ever produced. The MR2, 4 Runner, Soarer, Chaser, Camry, Celica, Hi-Ace, Landcruiser, and I'm sure I'm missing others, all came with a turbo option engine.
Supra, mr2, chaser, celica, RAV4, 4Runner, Camry, Corolla and many more Toyotas have had turbos in them. Just because it’s not the United States doesn’t mean they don’t do it 😂
Finally someone tows 10k with a 1/2 that is supposed to be able to tow 10+
You forgot the part where you didn't have to spend an hour disconnecting the trailer and charging like you would with an EV.
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Great information, real world facts. Thank you.
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Interesting to try that IKE Gauntlet without tow/haul and see if you kick in regen way more or if it actually hurts the performance
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You're looking healthy Mr. Truck. Good to see you back in action with Andre. You 2 make a good team. :) Did this truck seem like it hunted for gears a lot? Just yesterday I was following not 1 but 3 different Tundras up a 12 mile 8 % grade highway. Their trim packages were all different from SR5 to TRD but every one of them were hunting for gears and they were NOT towing anything. And only 1 of them had any cargo at all in the bed and it was less than 4 hundred pounds. As I followed along in my 5th Gen. 4R TRD OR and only shifted twice, they were shifting up and down for a gear regularly. It was bizarre. Did not notice any other truck(hear or see)them hunting for gears.
I would think the 5 speed would tend to be more jerky and stretch the gears out before shifting compared to a 10 speed.
Thanks, no hunting gears at all, the hybrid made shifting invisible
@@milesb4231 So would I. Except that was not my experience yesterday.
@@MrTruckTV Thank you sir. That is good to know information. Although, it does seem to contradict what I witnessed, however, they were NOT this trim level. I would now throw this vehicle into the ring with the other towing trucks for its longer life value.
@@WW-wf8tu It's on my list of future trucks along with 3.0L diesel in GM 1500 and 2023 Ford F250 with 6.8L gas STX. It'll take 2 years to decide which one
Finally a back to the roots TFL video.
My limited experience with air ride suspensions is that they start leaking after ~5-10 year and are pretty expensive to replace/repair. Not sure if Toyota did a better job at selecting more reliable air bag components to maintain their top notch reliability reputation.
I agree. just the nature of rubber material. Weather and use wears it out.
It's worth it for towing, otherwise semi trucks wouldn't have been using them for 40+ years
I’ve run Carli long travel bags on my 2011 f350 for a decade. Replaced one bag which had a leak. $300. They make a huge difference towing.
Great Content, TFL, always the best videos!
Just got a 28ft travel trailer and it pulls like a dream with the new iforce max. However payload is the biggest problem with this truck. It's only around 1400 lbs where ford is closer to 1800-1900.
I’m sure there’s one of two people in America who will buy this truck and tow a skid steer.😂
I laughed at Mr. Truck's comment when Andre was going over the features and it came to HP and torque. Mr. Truck said well at least they got item that was class leading after 15 years.
Nice video, so nice seeing Mr. Truck again. Andre’s friendship with Mr. Truck is great to see. The Ike gauntlet is a good real world test. I pull a horse trailer on weekends and occasionally do small house projects that require towing equipment, even towed a Cat one time. The details you point out are really helpful. One thing I would like to see is a 60 to 0 mph stop test on smooth roads and on dirt roads for comparisons between the models. Maybe incorporate that into your drag races 0-60 and then right away 60-0… keep up the great work!
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Mr. Truck is back!!!!!! He has knowledge that flows out of his hat. With a Russian freak driving!
Of course, thanks for watching
Leave the heavy towing to domestic turbo diesel trucks. If you use that Tundra like I use my GMC 2500 HD it simply won’t hold up to the abuse. Brakes, frame, suspension not heavy enough in a Tundra. The Rental dealer I I frequent won’t allow customers to pull skid steers on a trailer with a Tundra or most any other half ton trucks.Said too much liability. Said a customer insisted his Tundra was enough truck to tow 12K lbs, after hooking up trailer rear end was excessively pushed to the ground. Would not allow customer to drive away, ended up delivering with there F-350. Don’t kid yourself with these half ton trucks.
@Geo13 Any educated person wouldn’t use a half ton truck on a daily basis to tow and haul heavy loads.
Doesn’t matter who builds the truck.
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I was looking into the Tundra before I ended up with the F150 Powerboost ‘21. I’m glad I didn’t wait as the added pro power makes way more sense for the hybrid setup. It tows great even if the engine gets thirsty towing in the hills; around town it gets 14-18mpg depending on the trailer type and load. I would just have a V8 if I didn’t use the pro power as much as I do. I wish these companies experimented with a diesel hybrid system.
@tfltruck, does the new Tundra offer gear lockout like the F150 does? Does it display which gear is currently in?
As always another great video, it's good to see Toyota finally stepped up there game & can now compete with the other 1/2 ton trucks on towing. That is a sharp & strong truck but I still had rather have the V8.
I don't know why they waited so long. I wish they incorporated some reliability into their testing. It's not even a competition when it comes to Toyota. American trucks can't even make it to 100k without thousands in repairs.
@@robodrop2392 I own a very large solar company and we tow or haul nearly every mile with half tons. We sell off our trucks between 135 & 150k on them. Currently half ford half ram. It’s usually less than 3 years of use but we very rarely have any problems with them. Maybe a handful of turbos on the fords and the ecodiesels like to have DEF errors but I can’t remember the last time we had a bug failure of any kind. ~ 135 trucks in the fleet currently
@@robodrop2392 I have an 08 F150 with 265,000 4.6 & 5 speed manual & the only thing I've ever had to do is replace the alternator, and it's a 100% work truck, bed stays full & has always had a trailer hooked to it. And that ford is just one of many that I have.
@@mattbrew11 that's good to know gives an old feller like myself hope on these turbos. 👍🏻
@@mattbrew11 you are illustrating the difference of fleet trucks which receive scheduled maintenance on fluids, filters and parts. Versus a pov which maynot be taken care of as dilligently.
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Hybrid energy is definitely the way to go. Way more advantages than straight EVs. I'm surprised their setup does not benefit mpg though. That's very weird. It absolutely SHOULD!
They are towing a heavier load in this video. That will drastically decrease MPG.
Really it absolutely shouldn't. Hybrids shine in stop and go citys at low speed.. but have no advantage on highway.
@@joshmccormick770 NHTSA says apx 90% of vehicles spend 50+% of their life driving within cities and towns. So by those numbers, it would give huge improvements to mpg. I'm not saying my Duramax should be a hybrid, but I think for gasoline vehicles they could net huge mpg improvements by having a hybrid electric system implemented *as the way of the future to assist the full time gasoline engine to make it run easier and this save of fuel. And a hybrid battery system is miles cheaper than a full EV system. Initially, maintenance, to replace, etc. Just cheaper.
@@natep1661 oh I'm not a hater on hybrids.. I own one actually, an I like it, however they have a place. Towing 10k pounds you will have no benefit is what I'm saying. Many will argue.. "well slowing down you will regen all the weight.. ahh.. yeah..and no. Once battery is full it's full, and also you will burn use it all back up when your take off with 10k pounds.. and you will ALWAYS burn more than you gained.. just like the saying goes " There is no such thing as perpetual motion." This is why you don't see hybrid semis. It wouldn't work in that platform.
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Totally agree.
No magic wand.
I just think push everyone to ev is bad. It's nice as an option though for those who have proper application. Same with hybrids. It may be a nice upgrade/feature for someone.