Robert Morris Resigns, Gateway Elders Claim Ignorance, Lawyer Up (Lessons for Christians & Leaders)
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- Pastor Robert Morris has from his pastoral role at Gateway Church. Along with that, the Gateway elders are now claiming ignorance of the details of his "moral failure" and have hired a law firm. In this video, you'll get all the details and some lessons to take away from it all as Christ followers and church leaders.
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As someone who left the church over a decade ago with similar issues, I so appreciate you speaking for accountability. You are a unique voice among christians.
I came from a broken church as well. I still have issues with organized religion. I pray for the congregation, especially those whose faith is not solid .
What a sad day in which we live, so sorry for your endurance of what selfishness and pride of mens evil hearts exhibited. I pray along with you that the God will continue to "clean His house" and expose sin in our altars. I don't know your circumstances but pray His sustaining love will draw you closer and back to Him, once again, if you're still offended. It's not Him we need to draw from but the sin that lurks in the hearts and minds of these perpretrators. God bless you.
God bless you
@@clinthowardii8948 Very unique indeed.
I've walked with the Lord for over 30 years, and served in leadership as well. I can tell you that the underlying issue is that in a number of cases pastors recruit elders that are pretty much loyal yes men. The congregation votes on the elders to the board but the congregation is generally uninformed about specifics. I have experienced this reality first hand. The Gateway/Shady Grove Church elders should have asked for all the details of Morris's story and interviewed the girl for her part of the story but they took the easy way out and apparently investigated nothing. Outrageous!! If you are an elder, you are obligated to get to the truth and protect the body of Christ even if it involves a "highly gifted" teaching pastor.
I agree. I've seen first hand many elders be "yes-men" and afraid of confrontation. If you can't have hard conversations and go after sin like a bloodhound- don't become an elder. Cowards.
They didn’t want to lose the money train.
@@user-pf9wk4qx6i Truth. Too bad that's the only reward they'll get. Cuz heaven ain't gonna have nothing for 'em!!
THEY TOOK THE EASY WAY OUT BECAUSE THEY HAD SEEN THE TRUTH! DO THEY SHOUT OUT THE TRUTH OR DO THEY JEOPARDIZE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS$$ OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN THE WORD GETS OUT THAT THE ESTEEMED PASTOR MORRIS [INSERTED HIS FINGERS] INTO A 12 YO GIRL WHO STILL PLAYED WITH HER DOLLIES??? THAT WAS THE UNDERLYING ISSUE! NO NEED TO STRAIN YOUR BRAIN ON THIS ONE!
Well he did leave ministry for 2 years for this sin. Then he was restored and this is biblical. He has not sinned since.
You are right on. HE should have been fired and he should serve time in Jail just like everyone else that committed this Crime. The Fact that he says he was in a inappropriate relationship with a young lady instead of a child is so disturbing on every level. The elders should invite anyone else that could have been possibly abused by Robert Morris to come forward and assure them that they will be supported by the elders and staff at Gateway Church. God Bless you Cindy for having the courage "again" for bringing this darkness into the light
My heart bleeds with you. God is exposing and separating the wheat from the tares, the sheep from the goats, the liars and extortioners of God's kingdom who use and abuse othrs in His name, for their own filthy gain, God will NOT be mocked, He is a Holy God and His lowest standard in our society it nothing less, He's cleaning house and every corner of evil and SIN must be exposed, surface, come out of darkness and into His marvellous light so that His Church, the Body of Christ can be that radiant pure Bride that she is called to be for His glory and not that of mankinds profit.
@@JaniceDonaldson coming from law enforcement.. why didn’t she and her parents report him in 1987… just saying..
Do you also believe Donald Trump should be condemned? And "fired"? He has not only been found guilty of raping a 57 year old woman but one of the dozens of women alleging he sexually assaulted them alleges she was 13 years old when Trump raped her at the home of Jeffrey Epstein (then a good friend of Trump) in 1998. She alleges that she went to what she was told was a NYE party at Epstein's apartment in NYC but found only Trump and Epstein and some other underage girls were there. Her name is Katie Johnson. Shouldn't we believe the dozens of Trump's victims and demand he step down? How can we as christians condone that? Shouldn't leaders and presidents be held up to high standards as well?
⚠️ People, let these exposures be a warning. Judgment begins with His house, and He said anyone who loves Him will keep His commandments. It is a wrathful thing to fall into His hands of wrath.
Night is coming, and the Lord is exposing the Mother of Harlots and will distinguish her from His Bride. Many claiming Him will see Hell for there lawlessness. While the is not qualified, may he truly repent and live a repentant life with this as part of His testimony of how the Lord can restore anyone. This hurts my heart as a preacher's kid who had also been molested, first time in my own home, BUT I dont want to see even this man see Hell for eternity. May he truly get it right with the Lord. ❤
or there is a spiritual movement to get people to fall away from the church
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:31
My heart bleeds with you. I never experienced any of what you detail, but church hurt is no joke, that I can attest too. God is expising and separating the wheat from the tares, the sheep from the goats, the liars and extortioners of God's kingdom who use and abuse othrs in His name, for their own filthy gain, God will NOT be mocked, He is a Holy God and His lowest standard in our society it nothing less, He's cleaning house and every corner of evil and SIN must be exposed, surface, come out of darkness and into His marvellous light so that His Church, the Body of Christ can be that radiant pure Bride that she is called to be for His glory and not that of mankinds profits. As a PK's kid, I know you saw and heard, more than you needed too. The Lord bless you dear.
Yes GOD can and will forgive if he truly repents; but NEVER BE IN PULPIT AGAIN!!!!
God bless Cindy and protect her❤. Thank you Lord for her boldness!
Boldness for what? Why does it take boldness to proclaim to the entire world someone else's sin? It would be bold to confess our OWN sins -- but easy to point fingers at others' iniquities. Not condoning his sin but even thoughts of impurity are sinful in God's eyes. And when she was 16 and 17 -- didn't she know what they were doing was wrong?
@@Michael-od6diIf you care about Robert Morris you will let Almighty God deal with him. Any human who sexually abuses a child like Morris did for 4 years, as stated is not well morally and needs serious help and should be dealt with using the full force of the law. This may just be the beginning of him truly being delivered from this scourge. It usual starts with exposure then true repentance.
Hope other victims, if they exist, have the strength to come forward. Almighty God is exposing the creeps in His church and will soon be exposing the creeps in the world. But judgement first begins in thr house of God!!!
I have worked in law enforcement for years and what I don’t understand is why her parents did not report this when they found out years ago.. why wait 30 years to finally come out about it.. this should have been reported as soon as it happened.. all I can say is that God has the final Judgement and I will leave this in his hands.. praying for all… 🙏🙏🙏
@@michellegill1278 2:56
100% agree. They should absolutely make a public statement encouraging anyone else to come forward with information and concerns of abuse. The investigation should include the date the abuse began up to now and seek out anyone who could have known and has since covered for Robert morris. I live very close to this church and have attended their events for women. I hope my home church addresses this news on Sunday and assures our congregation abuse will always be reported.
The law since 1971 is that any professional including pastors, teachers, counselors or doctors must report a known crime to the police within 48 hours. This includes Shady Groves in 1987 and Gateway in 2005.
Is this a state law only there?
Thank you for looking this up... I've been arguing with ppl who say that this was already dealt with biblically, that the elders in fact *did not* approach this in a biblical way...
Romans 13:1-2 says: "Obey the government, for God is the One who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."
I heard they hired a law firm to investigate this whole situation and get to the truth of what happened. I’m not sure I would describe that as “lawyered up”.
@ignitedfwi think that is the most sensible thing,to know both sides!! for one thing the woman is not using good sense or proper way of dealing with the past8if she wanted to confront him alone, because no pastor should be alone with a woman!! and she shouldn't want to be alone with a man!!
Are you serious right now? She was a 12 year old preteen child. The law says that age difference and the power difference makes any action she takes as irrelevant. You need to reply to your own comment and beg forgiveness to the world for your ignorant and disgusting response.
No you are right on target in this horrific crime against this young child CINDY she needs to have JUSTICE for her and Morris needs to be accountable for his crime of rape and molestation of a child
rape? He confessed to kissing and petting, not intercourse. Get your facts straight.
@@user-ij1oh1ll9f coming from a law enforcement background she and her parents should have reported this incident and if she went to counseling for this and mentioned it to the counselor by law you have to report the incident. My question to Cindy why didn’t she report it to the police years ago
@@DebbieMelson Apparently is was never reported to the police by anyone. My question exactly, and why wait 35 years when other children could be in danger?
Absolutely make it right!! He should have been fired. Morris said said he looked for the vulnerable in plural form.
Yes he admitted there were many
Predatory behavior so their are probably others.
@@sabine3769women are just as abusive if not more than men and they get away most of the time , we need to keep perspective
HE resigned
Not the same as resigned nor arrested for the crimes he committed!!@@evedropka1180
To the man putting out this video. You’re not off base at all. You’re right on target.
Sometimes I am critical of those who waited so long to come forward with their allegations of abuse. And then I remember my own abuse more than 50 years ago that I’ve never told anyone and won’t tell. So thank you to those with the strength to come forward even if it’s been many many years.
I told my sister re gently what my brother did to me 60 years ago. I felt relief and cried pain I didn't know was still there. You need to tell someone,please and then allow God to heal. You.
You have been given the courage to tell us readers, your brothers and sisters in Christ, sweetheart, and we weep for you beloved Child of God. We weep for you.
Bless you , please do tell someone 😢
I’m sorry that this happened to you. You too are strong.❤️
You have my total support and prayers. When a child is abused they are robbed of their voice and it can take decades to recover it, if at all. Trust is not always easy to recover. Please don't suffer in silence. If all you can do is to get a box of tissues, sit on your couch, and bare your soul to God with tears - please let it out.
Thank you, Brother, for this insightful, honest, and exhaustive reporting on this issue, so far. The church is undergoing examination by Jesus Christ. We need to walk in the fear of the Lord, and obey His commands. I am disgusted by Robert Morris's actions, but sadly not surprised. The church is being run by a bunch of cowardly sycophants who wave the Bible, but know nothing about obeying it. God help us. I was away from church for several years, and have recently returned. I thank God that I never worshipped a pastor. How dangerous is that kind of idolatry. Upon returning, I see that nothing has changed except the number of pastors and leaders who are acting atrociously.
Yes, I agree 💯 percent on this topic that was being spoken. The best thing to do is now is continue to ask the Lord for wisdom and discern and get the right authorities in place for this crime that was committed. And sought out everything.
I pray that this lady now will be healed and delivered and set free from being sexually abused and heal from her past traumas and traumas that she is facing even now on the exposure of it. In Jesus name Amen 🙏.
jUst wondering -- why was it necessary to tell the world about this sin, in order for her to be healed of this abuse? Could God have healed her without the whole world knowing?
Sometimes it does not matter if when we mention it's because either we feel like we need to be more set free because the truth is going to set us free and sometimes the churches are not teaching us how to be healed and delivered and set free and also we need to be set free from traumas that's another level of healing and deliverance there's several levels of healing and deliverance with the Lord and maybe God told her to reveal it because it was time
Also, the church should have known this type of sin that took place but was not dealt with this properly, nor opened truthfully within the four walls of the church.
Her speaking it out publicly was probably her breaking through more of her healing and freedom to this sinful act that was done to her. The way it should have been dealt with in the first place.
Yes, she could have been set free also behind closed doors and not exposed it.
But again, may be she needed to do this because the Lord may have led her to do this.
My concern is IF they did not know his victim was a 12 year old, how could they possibly protect the children of the church? They could not! How many children were left vulnerable to his attacks? People who violate children in this way almost never have just one victim. Look it up.
They are lying. The victim sent an email in 2005 informing them on the molestation and her age. She asked for $50,000 for years of counseling to deal with the act. They offered her $25,000 if she signed an NDA, which is not law abiding in the case of a crime. She refused and now she is speaking out. The Elders are doing damage control because they all aided in the cover up of a crime.
So there was no investigation into what he told them? There was a victim? Hello! You just believe him? And when women comes forward about their husband who is abusing her and the kids, you not only shun her, disbelieve her, make her feel guilty and do nothing!?! Such a grotesque double standard! Do you not know you all will stand before God and give an account for what you didn’t do? Shame on the patriarchy! The same goes on in the world and you are no better. Shame!
I believe the Lord God is very angry.,. He said in His word the Bible.., it is better for you to have a milestone rapped around your neck and thrown into the sea then to hurt one of His little ones…. Morris will have to stand before God and explain his actions.,,,Big wake up call brother ,,,, your evil and it’s time you get exposed!
A case of 50 years ago!
Satan at work
@@kevinharris3993 She might as well have been blackmailing him then..
This is an old case.
She might as well have asked God never to call David a man after His own heart..
Satan is good at accusing people for old issues.As humans,who has no past?
Do you think God is in this? Not at all
Everything you said is spot on. If not the richest church, they are one of the richest churches in the country and leadership is freaking out that they are about to loose their cash cow.
YES MONEY, NOT JUSTICE FOR THOSE IN LEADERSHIP
They're not ignorant. They're as guilty as he is for hiding these horrible actions. That's what they do. The authorities should investigate to see if they're more innocent victims. We need to pray for this nation.
Neither you nor I KNOW what they actually KNEW in the beginning. That is an ASSUMPTION, and it MIGHT be correct, or NOT.
Yes, American Christians tend to want to believe our spiritual leaders when they hear such "stories." But when someone uses evasive, vague, "weasel" words and phrases, and the ELDERS are reluctant to listen to the Spirit, face the doubt, narrow their eyes, confront the leader, and ask uncomfortable, probing questions about the narrative, that's where the Church fails and can become complicit.
It behooves them to make themselves aware of all the details. It didn't always used to be this way, but in this last generation or two this is what we have become.
But AFTER you learn something that casts doubt on everything you thought you knew, the first person who brings it up tends to get shut down and it's very hard to fight against still in denial.
That tells you that following and enforcing Biblical rules and guidelines is avoided among too many churches. It's considered "legalistic."
People who shade the truth (lie) and have a long history of doing it can be good at it and very convincing.
"Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive."
Sir Walter Scott
ONLY God actually knows. WE should never make assumptions one way or another lest WE be guilty before God of false accusation, which is in the same category as gossip.😬
We should remember Jesus words: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
And I'm not just saying this to you, this is something I have to practice, we all have to practice. Especially in this digital world.
Exactly!!!
An interview of a former assistant said at least 1 church elder was aware of the truth.
Yes, GOD is "cleaning house" Jesus is coming soon....
Her statement says "at least one elder" was aware of her testimony. They are hiring the law firm to absolve themselves of any liability, nothing more.
I'm surprised they're not handling it in the "biblical" manner, lawyers????
@sweetsopcomedy1458 I'm not sure crimes punishable by law can be handled solely by the church. The Corinthians teaching refers to small civil disputes, I believe.
They wouldn't have anything to be held liable for anyway, Robert Morris is the one that's being accused, no one else
Prayers for her restoration and exposure of sin in the leadership of Gateway, and the church in general. The Lord does no want wolves in sheep’s guise assaulting His children!
Thanks for speaking truth! This whole revelation is so disturbing & sad!
Cindy’s father knew about this abuse. As a parent, his first priority is to protect his precious child. Why didn’t he call the police?
There are scriptures in the Bible that get misinterpreted or manipulated by those who encounter them it's ignorance and manipulation. Her father may have helped to cover his sin by misinterpreting scripture , not going before the law as Christians etc,.
TO PROTECT HIS 12 YO DAUGHTER WHO STILL PLAYED WITH HER DOLLIES! IMAGINE THROWING HER INTO THE WHIRLWIND OF THE FELLOWSHIP AND CHURCH CALLING HER A LIAR!!!
@@Findaway2day Romans 13:2: "...those who refuse to obey the law of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow."
You are right, most people quote the other verse but forget Romans 13:2. It is God's will that paedophilia and other crimes are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The law at the time stated that people in authority such as doctors, teachers, pastors etc, should report a criminal offense immediately.
@@cliffsnelgrove3560Sorry, she was in the seventh grade, in the 80’s, I don’t think she was still playing with dolls.
Her dad didn’t press this and he should have. Morris should have been arrested. The Bible says take it to the church but if the church does nothing, her father should have reported this. Why didn’t he is my question?
Right this is what I'm wondering. If Cindy told her parents at age 17 and then they took it to the church elders whatever then those elders the church whoever they all knew her age that she was a little girl and it happened through her teens. Get me? So why didn't her parents press charges? Take it to the police the law??
Praying for the Lord’s will! Not any man’s will. None of our opinions matters! Only His! He knows everything!
Calling a child "a young lady" is disgusting in this context. Thank you for calling attention to it
Well, aren't young girls of 12 married at this age -- in the Bible and in Muslim countries? How old was Loretta Lynn? Oh Loretta Lynn was 13! Married at 13 and had 4 children by the time she was 18! She WAS a young lady.
So sad for the body of Christ. Praying for everyone involved! There is justice in the natural if crimes were committed and obedience to God to petition Him for pastors repentance and restoration.
I applaud Cindy for her courage and boldness to come forward and tell her story. I can relate to her story completely as I was a victim of a pastor's abuse when I was 11. Thankfully, I told my mother as soon as it happened and my parents called the authorities first, then the church elders. The elders immediately terminated him and he went to prison. That is what should have happened in this case. Yes, God will give him forgiveness if he truely repents, but he should still have to suffer the consequences. Cindy, I hope and pray that you will stand firm and stay the course. May the Lord bless you and comfort you.
This is heart braking for the church. I would not want to be on their church board. Come clean and move forward quickly. Pastor Morris must go immediately. Will he be forgiven through repentance, yes ? That’s the gospel message but he’s done being a pastor. This is a very sad situation. Complete truth must be revealed. The statute of limitations might protect him legally but he is done as a pastor .
Elders and people in the 80’s DID know and didn’t do the right thing. He admitted that when he said he sought forgiveness from her father and he forgave me and he approved of his restoration to ministry. Just mind blowing. :( Justice would be serving time now for what he did.
Back in the 80s these things were not dealt with the way they are now. The church statement makes it sound like they handled it correctly at the time.
This makes my blood boil. Crisis management? So many leaders knew Robison and many 'large' leaders SHAMEFUL
Are you talking about James Robison? Has he been found to be doing something bad? I have not heard about that.
@@judymoore5009It’s gossip!
Robinson was a child of rape ! True fact
Robinson had nothing to do with this so stated by Cindy and her Law firm...
@@barkingmoonranch7836 You are correct! !
Listen to Robert Morris every day multiple times per day. I am very sad and shocked, disappointed and confused.
Me too
Disgusting
This often happens. The very people who are telling you to behave are actually telling you what their tendencies are. Haven’t you noticed that political candidates and religious figures promoting family values are often caught with their genitalia where it isn’t appropriate? Trump= sex abuser, rapist, bragged about sexually attacking women, liar, adulterer, swindler, and more; Jerry Falwell, Jr, -= a man who likes to watch his wife have sex with 18 year olds, and so many more! Time to wake up! Blind faith is no faith at all, but being led by someone else, true faith sees the traps, decides for self, to walk the line of righteous behavior. You have to look to yourself for the answers, those telling you how to behave, are too often simply in business for themselves. If your faith is real, you alone are responsible for it, not someone making a huge amount of money and power telling you what to do. Jesus Christ knew the temptations of wealth and power, and turned his back on them. He did not praise the rich, but preached against them (Eye of the Needle), found the religiously powerful people to be pseudo religious, holier than thou hypocrites (his comments upon the Pharisees), and when asked by some of his followers to claim earthly kingship, replied,”My Kingdom is not of this Earth.” Look long and hard at those building grandiose churches, traveling by private jet, claiming your money is needed to further their work, snd those who preach against others, or advocate condemnation of others. May your eyes. Be opened and your path straightened
It's terrible what happened to her at 12, and that her parent's did nothing to help her, instead they hid it so they wouldn't be humiliated. People better be mindful that, what's done in the dark, shall come to light. Help us all Holy Spirit to stay strong in the Lord and the power of his might!🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏❤️
He wasn't in a relationship. He was abusing her.
Listen to Justin Peters interview with Pastor Stephen Le Blanc and you will know that two of the senior elders ,one of whom is still at Gateway, knew the victim was a 12 year old child and covered up and allowed the false narrative of a young lady to prosper. In fact anyone who is interested in truth and justice should watch the video.
Yes! I just watched Justin Peters interview with Steve LeBlanc, who knew Morris and others involved for years. Excellent!
Not surprising. So sad. God wins in the end.
😥😥. God has exposed because of His great love, so that we can come unto repentance. Hope the truth prevails.
Can't get le blanc on x I only have u tube? Help?😢
Yes! That was an excellent interview!
Absolute agreement. God should not be mocked for He is a righteous God who expects holiness from His people.
James Robinson and at least one other elder knew all of this when they made him pastor
Hmmm
James Robinson and his handmaiden wife are false prophets.
I agree with you and Cindy! Both of you are well-spoken and have thought this out well. No one seems to want vengeance, but truth and justice! I pray for that to happen, in Jesus' name!
Why was it necessary for Robert Morris sins of nearly 40 years ago, for which he repented of and took off 2 years away from the ministry to repent of, and then never sinned again in this way, -- why was it necessary for this to be proclaimed to the world in order for justice to be served? So he could be shamed and ridiculed, mocked and hated by millions? Is it scriptural?
Matthew 18:6. He committed a crime for which Cindy has been asking for monetary help with therapy and counseling expenses since at least 2005. Get the facts first, then speak.
They're behaving like a corporation, not a church board, which unfortunately is all too common.
That’s what the American church has become
@lorribondurant9217 Wrong no the TRUE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST! (eph 1:23)Jesus said many will come in that day and he will say I NEVER KNEW YOU DEPART FROM NE YOU WORKERS OF INIQUITY! Just because you are a pastor and have a megachurch 🙄🙄 doesn't mean you are a TRUE BELIEVER ! JESUS SAID I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST I matt 16:28
501C3 churches are business corporations.
501c3.
Unfortunately that is why there are reoccurrences of these sinful Matt ers because they need to be corrected through the spirit. If the church does it it will be done through the spirit. For only He knows how to get all the sin out of us hence the apostle said deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh. And that spirit said! Imagine....
“Institutional self-preservation” - yes! You’ve seen to the heart of it, as always
THANK YOU!!! I believe you are right! I pray these elders will do what is right.
Thank Christians if there no forgiveness for pastor Robert there would not be Christians today and Paul the apostle wouldn't have written 1 third of the new testament
They won't.
@@joycedean2000 - Forgiveness, yes, when he can state the entire truth and not cover up the parts of the story. It was not a young lady, it was a child, big difference. There are also consequences for what he did.
They won’t.
DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH ON THE ELDERS TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT! TOO TOO LATE!
The Elders pleaded ignorance!? That in itself is shocking. "You shall hear a voice behind you say, "This is the way, walk ye in it." I am a simple Believer, I hold no office, but I heard the voice of the Holy Spirit warn me that a person was "nefarious". I had never heard that word before and had to check in a dictionary to understand its meaning. I was shocked when I learned what it meant. I praise GOD for letting me know the truth about that person. Now, if GOD's Holy Spirit will warn a nobody like me about the character of a person that was in my life, then surely HE warns people holding office in churches of the sinfulness of their pastor? If they are not capable of protecting the flock, then they need to be replaced with people who know how to hear from GOD.
It seriously makes me question if they have much of a prayer life at all.
All who knew should be held accountable, including other pastor’s!!😮😮
Including Cindy's parents, and Robert's wife!!!
@@rebeccaplatt29I thought that her parents went to the church and tried very hard to hold him accountable!!! In a way, her parents were victims too! Could you explain your comment?
@@flowergirl-pp7vz Ummm, it's against the LAW to touch a child under the age of 18!!! They should have called the POLICE!! He didn't touch the parents, the parents are NOT victims! They were supposed to be her protectors! If someone touched my child, the first call I'm making is the police department, not the coward elders of a church!
Elders and Morris wife are complicit
If they are complicit it was not in support of sin but to protect the work of God which has resulted in a mega church today,and I can bet you,he has long quit hat old way of Satan..Who has no past among us? Can God bring up our past sins today and flaunt them before us? Not at all..
This is of Satan,and let us pray for this man of God...
She knew the girl was 12 and covered for her husband. The girl was clearly a child! How wrong.
Complicit they were. Didn't want to lose the money coming in and no other reason.
@@benimbewe1811
We are saved by Grace and made a new person in Christ. Once that is done it doesn’t give anyone a right to hide sin.
@@lisakreimes1951 Who was hiding sin for 40years plus? Do you think anyone was hiding a sin committed that far back when pastor Morris openly did declare his regrets from his past?
God long forgave him and he does not even trace where it is,yet among men,they still point at David as having killed Uriah for Bathsheba his wife..God is long over that sin that He later calls David as a man after His Own Heart..
Don't you see a comparison here?
Her own father did not go after him he knew the facts and let this slide because of who Morris was. For 4. Years this went on ‼️‼️‼️. This is just like all the priests in the catholic faith. Hiding behind their religion. ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
The father was obviously intimidated by the church pastor & their leaders. They, too, are complicit. The father was very angry & said he never wanted to see Robert Morris again.
WOULD YOU SUBJECT YOUR 12 YO DAUGHTER WHO STILL PLAYS WITH HER DOLLIES TO THE HUMILIATION AND LIES THAT THE CHURCH WOULD HAVE SUBJECTED HER TO! THE CHURCH CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE EMBRACED HER AND BELIEVED HER BECAUSE THERE WAS MILLIONS$ AND MILLIONS$ AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AT STAKE! I HOPE YOU NEVER HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON BEHALF OF YOUR YOUNG DARLING DAUGHTER OR YOUR PRECIOUS GRANDDAUGHTER!
@@cliffsnelgrove3560 Money is NOT MORE IMPORTANT THEN WHAT THIS MAN PUT A 12 year old girl through for 4. Yes 4 years ‼️The people of that church would have supported justice ‼️‼️.
@@cliffsnelgrove3560 You have proof she was still playing with dolls at 12? Most 12 year old look like 20 year old these days.
That is no excuse for a grown man to sexually assault a 12yr old for four years!!
Why is the woman not angry at her father for not calling polìce?
Pretty sure from experience
He was traumatized as well
Money and power is their master
James Robison is complicit too… look into the story further
Apparently quite a few. My respect for many has dwindled.
hmmm
This is an example of why it is crucial for churches to select elders who are not yes men, or who are so invested that they cannot see despicable sin and biblically deal with it.
Exhortation gifted leaders are absolutely necessary!
The theft of the innocence of a child should be the unpardonable sin
There would be a ton of parents in trouble and most of our government.
But it is not
But a heavy millstone awaits
Women literally parade for the right to end babies lives if they consider the man unworthy , I pretty much think that's unpardonable too
@@toolegittoquit_001you realize that women can also destroy children's lives and they do it much more?
@@toolegittoquit_001 yes, that I do believe is in the Bible
Thanks for sharing and standing for victims who haven’t been able to stand for themselves! People everywhere need to learn they are also accountable for hiding crimes and caring more about their self image than standing for truth! This should be an example of what happens when one choose to hide crimes committed. Praying for all involved. 🙏🏻❤🙏🏻
Go watch Justin Peters with a pastor that was at Gateway years ago just came out this week! At least 2 of elders/board knew more than they are saying now
Why isn't anyone blaming the parents for not reporting this ?
I heard that they "forgave" him. idk
@@susanw489 supposedly not
They DID REPORT IT.
@@susanw489No they did NOT forgive him.Morris lied about a lot of it.
You have to read Her report about it.
Morris should have been called out years ago for his aberrant heretical blasphemous false teachings this goes with that territory so let’s add liar and perversion to his CV ! ALL who knew should step down too and I truly hope this precious and courageous woman gets justice and any others because I doubt Morris stopped at one
Stay off the bunny trail-don’t deflect from the real issue! If you don’t like his teaching, don’t watch. Very simple.
But for the Grace of God...There go I. It's horrible, abhorrent and sinful what he did and God will be the judge, but Christians are some of the least grace filled people on earth. No excuses for his behavior but comments like this is exactly why Gandhi said, "If it weren't for Christians, I would be one". Love it when people rush to the front of the line to team up with the accuser of the brethren.
@@rb5825 no, it's relevant. When a leader does not follow the Bible in one way, it's reflected elsewhere in what they say and teach, and they become a false shepherd.
If we do not listen to the Spirit (and if we are ACTUALLY His disciples, we DO have Him in us), especially those to whom He has given discernment, we are no better than those elders. It's actually people who say things like YOU just said who make it hard for people who see something is wrong to be heeded.
The Bible warns about that. It is not just leaders and elders who will be held to account at the judgment day for those whose names are written in the Book of Life, it will be US, too.
It seems to me, they were making good money and did not want to loose their riches. And you wonder why the government is a mess.
@@rb5825 Julie is not deflecting, only sharing an additional truth about RM. The Word does not instruct us to only turn our ear away from false teachers. According to Ephesians 5:11, we are to expose the error. “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” In 1 Timothy 5:19-20, Paul went beyond just “avoid them” but to “rebuke them publicly.”
Protecting their brand by every means possible
They don’t want to loose those millions 🤑
PROTECTING THEIR MONEY IS WHAT IT IS!
The elders just became part of the crime. They are going to have to talk to the DA office.
The 80s elders this is a reportable child criminal offence at that time. Failure also by parents of girl at that time.
It’s too late
@@Talletc
Too late for what, exactly?
There are two churches involved here which the MSM didn't present- the first church was aware of pedophilia licked him out and forced him into counseling,the second said they thought she was of age when he had this affair with a child.
I am a Deacon and this is NOT an easy problem!
I also watched him on TBN years ago. Its so sad when they loose their belief and fall. He needs for huge and humble repentance. God is such an amazing, good, loving God. We all fall, but He understands when we ask for repentance. ❤
Hi forgiveness yes, but accept to scripture he is not acceptable for ministry.
Yes if he was repentant for what he did, not that he got caught. Also God will forgive but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t do a jail term. Look what happened to David when he lied with his best friend’s wife.
NO ONE HAS REPENTED!!!MORRIS HAS LIED ALL ALONG AND SAID SHE WAS A YOUNG LADY! SHE WAS A 12 YO GIRL STILL PLAYING WITH HER DOLLIES!
@@cliffsnelgrove3560 The statement said he did r epent, had 2 years off ministry, asked for foregiveness and received it from t he father and her way back when. How long does sin get to dog us when Christ died for it and said he who is without sin to cast the first stone. If you are still suffering from your own abuse it is between you and God to work it out, if in fact your perpetrator has not confessed or asked forgiveness either. I'm so sorry.
@@cliffsnelgrove3560 I'm sorry but a young girl of 12 IS a young lady. In the Bible, they married at this age. In Muslim countries they marry younger than 12 today! He did not lie. He used wording that was not detailed, but it was not a lie.
Your analysis and info on this is the best I've seen. Thank you for your thoroughness.
Wow!!! Excellent commentary. I suspected institutional preservation was going on based on the elders' responses too, I just hadn't been able to label it like that as a way to describe how I was feeling. So, as a current member of Gateway Church, I feel you are not off base in what you are saying about all of this at all. And I can also say that one of the most hurtful things of this whole process has been the reaction of the elders in response to this crisis. If the church is "all about people" as their tag line states, then why did their own members have to find out about everything that happened through the media? Why did we not receive a personal email or text addressing the church body directly, explaining what happened and what the next steps are going to be? (And I don't mean hiring a law firm! Lol) Better yet, why have I not been invited to an all-church prayer meeting, or been offered pastoral counseling from the church, made available to all of its members, in order to help cope with such a devastating loss? And yes, ELDERS OF GATEWAY CHURCH: DON'T YOU WANT TO INVESTIGATE IF THERE HAVE BEEN ANY MORE VICTIMS SINCE THE CHURCH'S INCEPTION?
Robert Morris and the Gateway leadership have broken my trust. I, like many others I'm sure, are trying to figure out, pray, ask God about whether or not to leave the church. The existing Gateway leadership response will mean everything in the days ahead. I hope the leadership folks truly care and are listening. But unfortunately there has already been a track record of nontransparency and seeming lack of care or concern in some areas of the church, in my experience previously. In a culture of getting surveyed about how I've liked my time at a doctor's office or during a customer service call, I have yet, in my 17 years of attending Gateway- and volunteering my time and tithing God's money-received any kind of query from them asking for my opinion as to how the institution might be improved.
This is a long comment I know so lastly I'll say that this commentary, Bob Hamp's commentary, and Cindy's courageous actions in speaking up, are brave, mighty, and downright historical, and I hope they start a seismic shift towards positive change/overhaul in all religious institutions. Thank you for your prayers. I too am praying for all involved.
If There’s no statute of limitations on this, he needs to be charged, prosecuted and imprisoned. Forgiveness has been done by the church, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t serve his sentence. If his heart was right he’d have surrendered to the law years ago to endure punishment. The fact he swept it under the rug implies no actual repentance. Do the crime do the time. And they’re never a one time offender. Never are they ever reformed. It’s a continual problem.
Matthew 18:6.
I'm praying for everyone involved in this situation! I'm also trusting God to be sovereign God's word will not return void.. we have no authority to condemn any of the elders without knowing everything that was involved. The Bible tells us to be slow to speak and quick to hear . Fishing for assumed crimes and gossiping and alleging at some point is not righteous behavior..
Amen & Amen
“He that is without sin , cast the first stone “
I feel bad for Robert Morris because he repented of this and took off two years of his life - out of ministry, as discipline and was then restored. God can and does restore. He restored David. He restored many who have fallen into temptation. Now Morris, who was formerly respected, is contemptible to the whole world and hated.
@@Michael-od6diI believe if he was sorry for what he did to a child, he would have pulled out his checkbook with a generous heart of recompense. Instead he ignored her and let his elders intimidate her.
Hard to believe her dad did not have the fortitude to take this to the police and report this 4.5 years of molestation of his kid. Is he still alive? Both the father and elders failed Cindy. Prayers to all.
Let this be a lesson to the rest of us to not bring grown men around our children, irrespective of all the "titles" they have from any Church. Let's foot the bill for the motel instead, it is safer and cheaper than decades of counselling, suicidal ideation, and all the pain that comes with SA.
Nothing says complete transparency quite like 'lawyering up'
The Church needs to settle all the incoming civil claims.
And then shut it down
I fight for my faith regularly and people like Morris give me and my faith a black eye. They should have reported to the police and he can confess to them. This man is a predator by his own words. Saying he would seek out certian little girls by his predatory criteria.
And Mrs. Morris called this young girl and demanded an apology. The victimization against this little girl by Morris,his wife, and elders. And protected the predator. I do not want to hear any disgusting excuses. If you work there, may God be with you.
You are not off base at all, they always want to blame the child, these predators are protected, I was 13 years old and the man who did that to me was 21 years old.. I never got Justice for it!!
ME NEITHER!!
Wow! This behavior is more rampant than anyone knows. I'm sorry this happened to you.
I would like to know why a twelve year old girl was left alone with him.
He and his family was living in their home
Unmerited trust 😐
He was sleeping in a little girls bedroom! Those parents did a horrible job protecting their kid and he was very slick like his father the devil.
Right!! Even adult women/married should never talk to a Pastor alone.
THE PARENTS TRUSTED THEIR CHURCH AND PASTOR MORRIS WAS AN ORDAINED WELL RESPECTED PASTOR! IF YOU CANNOT TRUST THE LEADER OF YOUR CHURCH , THEN WHO? QUIT BLAMING THE PARENTS AND BLAME THE PREDATOR PEDOPHILE!
He should go to prison for sexual abuse of a minor. He should be charged with this crime no exceptions.
I heard the statute of limitations have run out.
You are correct. This is so sad.
Statute of limitations!
Statute of limitations was extended to 30 years after the time the victim turns 18. What Morris did was a felony & he should be charged. He is a child predator. No doubt there is a lot of powerful big TX money donors who are protecting Morris which is why he was allowed to resign. His wife & toddler were living in the same home at the same time that the 12-year old child was groomed molested/raped by Robert Morris. His wife blamed the child. The wife was the daughter of a well-known preacher Osteen & the sister to mega church preacher Joel Osteen.
I am so glad that God’s grace is not like people. He puts our sins in the sea of forgetfulness. People never forget, and like Satan, continually remind us! We all have sin in our past, but we are new creations in Christ. I am praying for Robert Morris. A murderer can be forgiven, but preachers can not? What he did was terrible . He repented. It is obvious to me that there are others that need to repent as well! Jesus is coming soon!
Jesus Please take Thy Care of This !😢❤
I totally agree with you.
James Robison is an elder who covered up for Morris. He was there from the very beginning.
No surprise
He for part of his life was an abusive alcoholic
Texas has a wide circle of "friends"
Very sad
Disgusting
Add Joni Lamb and Marcus Lamb in that mix
SMH
@@katethielmann4244???Were they knowledgeable?
Robison and Olen Griffing were and are still ELDERS
When they learned 4 and a half years after the grooming he performed, the victim went to her parents and they went to the board. Robison and Griffing dropped Morris off at the door of Shady Grove Church for a sabbatical. For two years Morris stepped out.
Yes, they were knowledgeable.
Makes me sick all the times Robison had Morris in his TV ministry show hawking his books.
Complicit completely.
Fat cats with pride who knew and rather than do the right thing they protected Morris, propped him up and kept getting financial gain.
@@katethielmann4244I've not believed Marcus and Joni to be faithful true obedient Christians! and when Joni and her new husband married it didn't look like a Godly ceremony!! looked like she had on a see through dress,low cut, and backless best I remember. looked very extravaganza and worldly! didn't Marcus have an affair or something, and someone tried to blackmail him? he didn't step away from the church,only briefly supposedly was counselled while sat down!!
God bless you! Preach it Loud and Preach it Bold. Prayers to all who have been affected by the conduct of Pastor Morris and others. Prayers to the congregation. May they follow God and not the Man.
The elders never asked him how old the 'young lady ' was??? Pray for the truth to be fully revealed. 🙏
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
THE ELDERS DID NOT ASK HER AGE BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNEW! THEY KEPT HIM IN THE PULPIT BECAUSE HE COULD BRING IN THE DOLLARS$$$
Tithing he preaches and that is incorrect doctrine and for the Jews not for us new believers.We are to give but cheerfully not out of obligation.
They offered her 25K and an NDA in 2005. They knew.
If this is true, did Cindy accept the 25K?
Then she agreed to the settlement, according to my opion.
Why at this time, using the media for the same occurrance?
I am sure Pastor Robert has sought for forgiveness; Jesus has died for his sin too.
I really hope this is not a whitch run....satan would certainly be chuffed.
He basically retired. He already made his lifelong money and retirement benefits.
His "eternal" retirement will be another thing. God is just and justifier.
No surprise that they are lawyering up. According to a former staff member at this sham of a church there were several elders and/or people in leadership positions at this organization who knew the truth and knew the victim was an innocent child and not a young woman at the time she was assaulted. As recently as 2005 the victim reportedly told the churchbeldersnthe truth. These elders are in my opinion despicable. Robert Mirris in his own word ls admitted he sought out vulnerable girls. These offenses as reported by this victim constituted rape of a child and as such were reportable offenses.Reporedly one of the individuals who knew this had a background in law enforcement. He and anyone else who knew the details and failed to report it as a mandated reported should be in prison along with this pedophile and child rapist. His statement about the offense after the story broke clearly demonstrates he has no remorse. What kind of miserable excuses for human beings much less Christians puts someone like this in a position ot authority over a church body including children? Furthermore the wife of Robert Morris allegedly blamed the 12yr old victim. In my opinion she is.jusr as disgusting as he is.
How disgusting IS all this evil. What does JESUS think about that?? LORD give US shephards after your own Heart. These people need to be in jail. There is No true repentance ,only Cover Up. My Heart goes Out to the Girl WHO got so wounded and all abused and was left alone and knew this Guy IS pastoring a church!!!! Really ???
I can Just throw Up.
Pure evil
I've personally witnessed and seen the intentional dismissive attitudes of church leaders , elders and others in authority positions when questionable or immoral behaviors are brought before them. Just like the worldly good old boys do in their secular positions. Many churches across America will come under God's judgment ...which begins in the house of the Lord. God is coming for a church without spot or wrinkle!!!
This so sad and disgusting Let all of us pray for Cindy and her family.. Robert Morris and all of the elders involved in this cover up should be held responsible both criminally and via the civil courts.
Loretta Lynn married at 13 and had 4 kids by age 18. Yes, she can be referred to as a young lady. In Muslim countries, they marry them younger than 12.
@@Michael-od6diNot in America, and not true Christians. Grow up!
WOW!! All the years I’ve listened to this man he has always talked about his perverse and immoral past though not revealing every detail. The age of this girl is unfortunate- I would not have liked this to be my grandchild.
Never-the-less, if he confessed these things to His Lord, his wife and family, what is your problem people? What is happening in this country-denigrating, pulling down leaders, lying, and deceiving the citizens with false claims etc is evil, and comes straight from the pit of HELL. I though i don’t know all the details I love Pastor R. Morris and still support him. Most of you who are writing these comments, I believe, are not Christians at all.
Did you ever read the scriptures: “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God” Or JUDGE NOT, LEST YE BE JUDGED….or “Jesus came not for the righteous (like yourselves) but sinners to repentance”
I think about Jesus on the cross-the same people who were shouting hosanna one day were shouting crucify him the next day!
You are kidding, right? The problem is he lied then, he lied for 35 years, and he lied this week. That is not repentance. Matthew says we are to judge a man by his fruits. Paul says I indeed judged him, meaning the man in such sexual sin.
God is coming for a church without spot or wrinkle, he is separating the wheat from the chaff. Jesus didn't trust men because He knew what was in their hearts. Through out scripture their is no holding back on prophets who committed sin; God exposes it before the world, and judges it , whether saved or unsaved.
I think the fact that Morris admitted how he looked for girls that were venerable, that being said by him, says that there are probably more victims that are children.
Church leadership, nation-wide, has accepted the lie that people who commit these acts should be put back in ministry. It's very convenient to accept that lie because it protects their "legacy" and their incomes!!! The victims of these horrific acts and the congregations of these leaders are shown just how valuable they really are. All we have to do is to look to the example of our Lord Jesus, his original 12 apostles and the apostle Paul. None of those early leaders heaped up fortunes for themselves or victimized anyone in any way! Instead, they lived pure lives in humility and were willing to die for the message of Christ.
To be honest. I was molested when I was young as well by an older male relative. And I had no counseling. Although I’m not perfect but I forgave the person and I haven’t had any major issues throughout my life. While it was wrong yes. I don’t know what kind of healing I am missing. When we forgive it removes bitterness. What other healing am I missing ?
Was it over a long period of time, like this situation?
I am sorry for what happen to you, but you are missing the point that morris is a PUBLIC PERSON OF FAITH, and he is misleading many by lying and by fabricate the real event.
Lawyering up, how expected. I'm guessing these elders will let him keep his multi-million new build "parsonage" mansion in most expensive neighborhood in Southlake.
Better not!!!
Was Robert wearing his fake police uniform?
Net worth $116 million? 😞
I agree but how do you suggest they take back money they already gave him?
He is only financially obligated to Gateway based on any pastoral employment document he may have signed which outlines financial penalties based on behavior while employed or, as articulated, may surface while he was occupying the pastoral position..
his personal worth may include housing or other gifts given to pastors as part of the compensation package.. They vary church to church. He was permitted to resign as it probably impacts the departure package vs a firing for cause.. but what he owns through prior compensation including personal books sales belongs to Morris unless as contractually provided for in his agreement..the Elders cannot arbitrarily repatriate income just because.. it’s certain that Morris,, at a minimum,will end up with a significant monetary impact. It might become much worse, ,legally..
none of this glorifies our savior..pray..
Im from the DFW area. I used to work for people who went to Gateway church. If you tythe enough to the church,you get a (Skybox) just like at the Motor Speedway. Always felt a creepy vibe just watching him on TV. IM SO GLAD HE IS EXPOSED! There is a special place for him and all child predators. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I never liked Morris views on tithing, he was typical speak for the prosperity gospel message. Terrible
From the Justin Peters interview of several days ago, it because clear Mr. Morris (I won't honor him as a pastor of anything) has NOT truly repented because he has for years lied by calling his victim "a young lady". How many truly knew the truth? I don't know. That is on their own consciences. However, Mr. Morris has yet to repent if this remains the case. If he has truth left in him, he should freely own up to this now and accept the civil penalties that come. So should all those that truly knew.
But a young girl of 12 can definitely be considered a young lady. I've heard younger girls that were referred to as young ladies. Loretta Lynn got married at 13. In Muslim countries they marry them younger. ONly God knows the whole truth --- not Justin Peters.
I bet Tony Evans is breathing a sigh of relief. Look over there not over here 😳
I think there’s a connection. It’s no coincidence that they both were exposed within a few days of each other.
Coincidence here between the two.
His statement said he didn’t break any laws. Makes you wonder about that statement.
Amen to that.
These false teachers are susceptible to all kinds of depravity.
They are the first ones that will be cast into hell with Satan himself.
He was my Pastor. I agree He & the staff that knew need to be held responsible, I love Him & care about Him and pray there are no other victims and that the victim already, gets full support of money owed to her for the abuse/ counseling.
It’s time for the truth to come out of any others and it’s time for Gateway to pay and fire our Pastor, and those that knew, not give them an easy out, and I believe our church needs to see the lady as a victim and our Pastor during that time as a predator & make sure no other victims, but I love and I am praying for my pastor, knowing his past of as a kid being molested himself by more than 1 man & I know what that does ( it makes a lot of victims into predators.)
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Not a pastor...found a way to feed his appetite through pastoring...Never should have been put back in any position ...jail time,he is a professional in controlling his outcome with his prey!
It does not make all victims into predators. This is unexcusable behavior.
Why didn't this girls father press charges back then? He seems like a coward himself, he should of protected his daughter better than that.
Oh The dad threatened them and demanded they fire him.
Dad probably was a pedophile.
The father should not have been the arbiter of his return to the Pulpit
The Elders failed miserably in their role to protect the flock and must go as well
THE FATHER TRUSTED HIS CHURCH AND PASTOR MORRIS WAS ORDAINED AND BEYOND REPROACH! DO YOU TRUST YOUR PASTOR AND CHURCH?
I’m not only in shock but, confused as well. I followed Pastor Robert for many years. He is a gifted preacher. I have many of his books. I wondered why he wasn’t on the TBN lineup, as of late and started to google as to why; to come upon this shocking news. I pray for the victim and her family, as well as for Pastor Robert and his family. God bless us all.
They had all the facts. One of the gateway elders was a shady grove elder and was there from day one and actually talked to the girls parents back when it happened.
I just wonder how many more PASTORS are going to come forth? The Lord used my pastor mouth 👄 to tell us back in January that this is the YEAR for Exposure and everything that was done in the dark GOD is going bring it to the light 💡. I think we as a church need to pray 🙏🏽 for all PASTORS and LEADERS instead of talking about them PRAY 🙏🏽 for them…
Please put Morris in jail.
The Elders don't want to lose the congregation cause they will lose their job and benefits. Forget the fact that a crime has been swept under the rug for years while children's lives were subjected to possible abuse. It's all about GREED.
Never serve on a jury.
And when you stand praying, first forgive, that your Father in Heaven may forgive your iniquities.
You’re absolutely right! Thank you.
What really wrong here is the elders let him stay as the head pastor all these years. Do you think that when you are in leadership that you stay silent to sin behind the scenes.. Why are you in leadership if you are not leading.
IT IS CALLED FALSE PROPHECY!
@@cliffsnelgrove3560it has nothing to do with prophecy. It is deception.
On Thursday, June 13, the day before the child molestation news broke, Gateway Church posted on Facebook and X the following prayer, “Father, open our eyes to the things we are blind to.”.
If you research the time away from the ministry, he actually only stayed out of ministry for 1 month. He worked, I believe, as a security guard for a month, went to work in ministry in a different place, and returned to the original church two years later. But he did NOT take two years away from ministry. ONE MONTH!!!
After being a security guard at a Motel 6 for a month he went to work for James Robison as a morning supervisor at his Prayer Center and then Returned to Shady Grove as an elder one year after the abuse ended.
@@BLACKMONGOOSE13 I couldn't remember the details, but I knew that it wasn't two years.
Dear lady, I feel for you the trauma and pain you and family have gone through. My question is, if you would have gotten the money $ 50,000 you requested, would that have erased the trauma and pain you’ve been through, even if Robert Morris would have been fired? Remember we are all human and we fall, but as children of GOD we had the strength in HIS power to get up again, But the Bible teaches we also have to forgive the wrong doers but to also forgive ourselves. If we haven’t done that jet, no amount of money can change the situation.You lay heavy on my heart dear. 🤔🙏🙏🤗🥰
Agree and amen!
You are sick in the head
LIES! LIES! LIES!
COVER-UP!
COVER-UP!
COVER-UP!
I’M LOOKING FOR ANOTHER CHURCH TO GO TO.😠
Why, so your going to church for the people, you go to church to Warship GOD not people.
I support your decision to do so! Years ago, I attended a full-gospel church led by a pastor who was also secretly targeting young teen girls. I was unaware at the time, but the Lord directed me to leave the church. Afterwards, it came out that a congregant found his teen daughter alone with the pastor at the parsonage. Then my best friend at the time told me how she had been called into his office where he kissed her on the lips. He then tried to keep meeting her alone in the office. She refused. He also did this to another friend of mine. It does matter who you allow to lead you!!! These sorts of people are wolves!
"My people, come out from among her, and be ye separate..." Revelation 18:4.
Smart , it feels like they are acting to cover much more to this
I thought they said, he came forward at the time and confessed, now everybody wants to crucify him. I don't condone these actions by no means but, did anyone forgive pastor Morris? Because if you didn't, can't, or won't, don't expect God to forgive you for anything you have done either. I think a lot of people going after this pastor, hate God and his Shepherd anyway. Mind you (I DON'T DON'T CONDONE HIS ACTIONS, BY NO MEANS). I'm just saying, after he's been nailed to the cross, is there anyone going to forgive him? ijs. ✝️♥️🙏
Of course, he deserves to be forgiven. He, however, must undergo punishment from the law. Forgiveness does not exclude him from the legal consequences of this situation. Forgiveness does not exclude Gateway and any of Gateway church counselors or Gateway church Elders who knew of any criminal activity against this girl now woman between the years of 1982 and 1987 and did not report it. Having the knowledge of a crime as a counselor or Elder and not reporting it to law enforcement is a crime in itself.
The Crown Prince and son of robert morris wants to protect his father and his future position as senior pastor.
He needs to be bounced as well 🤨
That's what corporations do, lawyer up and make it's members sign covenants to protect themselves and not the donors😢😢😢
I attended Shady Grove back then... and I am glad it's all getting exposed.
This is a great breakdown of the situation. Thank you for sharing the actual letters (facts). I am hopeful that others will come forward, if there are more victim's they can help to protect others. Help others to heal from the events that went on by not burying your head in the sand and saying I did not see it. Please help others who may have been hurt. The victims matter more than the one who victimized them. Even though God forgives the victim's matter.
Thank you! You are SPOT ON!!
He should be arrested, prosecuted and put in jail!