I'm noticing that people were concerned about my "more gay things happen," line. I'm sorry that you perceived the use of the word gay as negative, I assure you, it was not used negatively. I am a proud bisexual man. I hope my position is clear now, and people stop policing my speech because I'm not perceived as a member of the alphabet mafia. Thank you, love you. Bye
I think most of us appreciate your commentary and theory style. I personally am not going to get offended at you opening your mind and sharing with us.
It hurts my brain thinking about you having to say this...of course you meant nothing but what the words mean...of course you weren't implying anything...cmon people...Hax is a White Hat...stay in your loops Carry On Sir
I never trust he won't survive whenever human William is seemingly killed lol also those giant hosts without arms are the creepiest thing Westworld has come up with so far in my opinion.
Right?! 😄 I LOVE their design. A lot of people were making fun of them on Reddit, (cuz they got no visible arms, etc) but you know what?? I think those things are gonna have the last laugh... because I think they are probably way more dangerous than we realize. We haven't yet seen what their purpose is. What they can DO. We haven't seen them in their "final form", so to speak. But whatever it is, it probably won't bode well for Humanity. We are definitely nearing the last & final prediction given by Rehoboahm: "Extinction"
They give me a war of the words feel, which is ironic as that's the point we are now at a war for the world between mankind and mankind's children, either co exist or both die. I hope that's just an advanced drone to transport the pearl and not the permanent new body Hale wants the hosts to take ... That is not an upgrade haha. It looks creepy, clunky and has no physical advantages. Even Hale hesitated to transcend. You can tell she was about to put it off before Maeve walked in. Even she prefers her hybrid body that allows her to feel and interact with the world in a natural way. Also, it looks quite easy to destroy with a rocket or machine gun, so not a huge improvement. But most of all, no arms? How the hell will they interact with the physical world with just legs? Why not return to the bodies they originally had? My which I mean the early design metal skeleton with silicon skin. If they don't want to look human then no skin needed or add a blank outer layer to the internal skeleton with eyes. They were just creepy and unappealing. It it any wonder the hosts don't want them, after all they are our children and built in our image, they want to interact with the natural world!? The bodies they have are better designed for the world they live in. That said, for all I know the creepy bodies can change form and are super deadly against humans. They may turn out the most advanced and capable bodies on earth. If I was offered immortality in a host body in 2050 or 2060 I'd take it (some sort of long life seems possible by the). If I was offered immortality in something like a terminator body I'd take it. I'd even take it in a drone host body. But those things for all eternity or at least thousands of years? Where the hell is the enjoyment in living haha?
Bernard had to imply that Stubbs would die because he programmed Stubbs to be his protector in his core. Therefore Stubbs would never have left Bernard alone if he had thought Bernard was going to be in mortal danger. Also - I don't see how Bernard could lie 100 percent about the future to anyone because the hosts have free will and more than amply demonstrated they can change their minds - so it may not be likely that Maeve will live to see her daughter, but he can promise to take her to the Sublime if she's living when it's all over. Also, as Akecheta has said many times - one is never truly dead until the last person who knows them is dead. And just as all the iterations of Dolores have the walled garden memory of Arnold - they also have the walled garden memory of Bernard. Remember, Bernard himself is a copy of someone. All the way down to offering his life to save another species. Death means nothing to the hosts as long as the Sublime exists and someone who knew them.
@@jonfreeman9682 I believe general consensus is that Stubbs is a host. He managed to get past Hale and escape the island in Season 2 when she hinted at him being a host. If he were human, he would die in a bath tub after the injury. Stubbs puts the tub in Stubbs. Bernard could have scanned and replaced him with a host. If he's still human he should look 23-30 years older that he was back then.
Glad to see someone else caught the concept of Christina possibly being the “system”. I thought of it as Christina is the “sound”. It’s how she is able to manipulate humans and pass through the city and see everything. A host mind existing as an operating system is or would be a very unique concept. It’s kind of like the guy who claims google is now alive. Hale or Delores/Hale coded her and her boss is the ultimate “if/elif/else” line of code. Of course people like myself can’t help noticing inconsistencies, and there are a lot, but it was an interesting episode.
In early stages of mind control we had only 7(?) possible actions sound could inflict. Cristina's way of storyteller voice that not just commands basic stuff but creates believable situations for human to react accordingly could be that evolutional step in the technology. And with increased complexity rises chance for self-consciousness?
v interesting, 2 questions tho: a) at the end of the ep Christina's power was drowned out by the tones suggesting theyre separate and b) at the end the tower was destroyed. If Christina is the system, how does she still exist?
@@Rammythelogophile Both are good points. Part of my theory is that the tower being destroyed eliminated her ability to transmit the tone. For the last I have to assume that the system itself isn't in the tower as there are multiple parks and the networking infrastructure would be complex and require several server racks. The server farm would be underground with a sophisticated cooling system similar to what we saw in season 2. The fact is the theory doesn't explain Teddy.
I was honestly wondering if Cristina is actually still within a Rohobem like system still connected on the floor from last season.... I don't know... this show...it is a love hate show for me... I wish HBO had kept Raised by Wolves. This show is fine and all, the 1st season was a masterpiece, but since that it has had consistency and pacing issues, imho.
Since I've found your videos I stopped watching other creators who basically just provide an overview of the episode with minimal value added. You do a really fantastic job providing additional insight in your videos, so thank you! That said I believe a couple of *LARGE* points were missed here. You did a really good job in the previous episode of calling out that the lab Caleb fights the hostbot in his quest to escape is the exact room Christina worked/works in. And that was then a lab. But "then" was only a couple of days ago considering that version of Caleb sent Frankie the message and now here she is. But at the same time, this is the building and floor Christina has been working in and we see her on that floor this episode and it is NOT a lab. Furthermore, right after Frankie and Stubbs leave the man in black to die, they go through a corridor, and after they round a bend, the shot remains there for a couple of seconds and Christina and Teddy walk into the frame from exactly the direction Frankie and Stubbs came from. Now unless Stubbs got a lobotomy, or the four of them all bumped into each other, said a polite "pardon me" and moved on, we're looking at shenanigans here with Christina's timeline or with there being a simulation/multiverse of sorts.
One thing on the message, if you don't mind the additional thoughts? The way I read it, Charlores was only ever going to *record* whatever message Caleb wanted to send at the time (timeline of it being recorded could have been anywhere in the last 20ish years, she could have foreseen exactly when to tell him it was, too); I suspect she only *broadcast* the audio to Frankie when she was ready to lure in the outliers with it (she had already decided it was the last day when she spoke to Caleb about Frankie coming for him). In terms of what this means for the office/floor space being used differently, as an option outside one being a sim and the other real. Her trials with Caleb could have been all but finished long before she was creating/guiding Christina, and Caleb was in another room from where Christina worked, he could have been in stasis (if human) or powered down (if host) till being put in that room as live bait.
@@Tvboy777 My brain when I first watched that scene: That doesn't look like anything to me. Seriously, I'd totally blanked on that, I just went back and watched it. Thank you for pointing it out. I would still have loved a mention of this specifically as well as the Christina+Teddy/Stubbs+Franky scene in the review, I think that's a pretty big thing (albeit in an episode with a lot of big things)
I love the narrative that humanity can't be saved it adds a very interesting dynamic, anyone remember the poster for season 3 with the old host skeleton outside a destroyed city?
Yeah the Humans are f*cked. 😆 lmao However... there might still be a way for some of them to live on, IF they can be scanned into the Sublime somehow. I believe this is why Bernard scanned Frankie, back in episode 6. She asked him why he did that, but all he would say is: "it's complicated". He wasn't ready to tell her that everybody is gonna die, and that nobody makes it, and that the only way for anyone to have a future... is living in the virtual space of the Sublime, along w/all of the Hosts.
@Haxdogma, Remember in season 2 Ep 10, the system as represented by Logan said that the William code/program is irredeemable. So it makes perfect sense that he would do this survival of the fittest" thing.
Yes, BUT, the code that the park retrieved was of MiB, not William. He was two very different characters inside and outside of the park. His struggle has always been figuring out if he's truly more complicated and nuanced William, or if his true nature is MiB. The nature of his reality.
@@katies3338 and the host is based off of the Man in Black too. I do think William had tried to influence this host version whether he really wanted to die I'm not really sure but he certainly wanted to escape out of his prison. He also seemed that he didn't really die right away which was interesting.
We are shown a scene from Teddy's perspective when he's calling to Christina in the bathroom, which seems like it would be stretching things if he's just an aspect of her bicameral mind. Also Bernard told Akecheta he couldn't complete the path he wanted without help, which sort of sounded like he could be asking to recruit one or more hosts from the Sublime. So guessing Teddy is really the Sublime version and not a creation of Dolores/Christina's mind.
My friend, Season 3, episode 2 has Mave in a Simulation. Note: there is no screen ratio changes while in the simulation. This brings the possibility that ALL the Christine story lines are occuring in the future and is based on past events. The primary goal is to reawaken Delores? Teddy is there because those in the sublime are helping people I the real world. Also please note that there was a pearl on the control deck when Bernard opened the sublime.
From the previously released trailers, we do know Hale is in the Hoover Dam area shooting at someone (probably William). Its possible that she's been re-uploaded into a copy of her body. Its also very likely that the message Bernard is leaving on the tablet is actually for her, for Hale. (He also left the gun for her). It would be a redemption moment for her to preserve the Sublime servers from William and "activate" Delores/Christina somehow so that in the future, Delores can "save" both humanity and the hosts (which is what I believe we're seeing with the Christina arc).
I THINK THIS TOO. ☝🏽😃💯 We see Hale holding a mind pearl in her hand, in the trailer for the finale as well. I think she watches Bernard's message, has a change of heart... and realizes that she's gonna need Maeve to help her, if she wants their kind to have any sort of future.
This. He certainly left that message for Halores. In the trailer for episode 8 it's obviously her hand holding Bernard's tablet (dark skinned woman hand in the glove, exactly the same gloves that Halores on the dam from the season official trailer wears and the same Tessa Thompson in the interview wears). So it's her listening to his message, so she is being the one Bernard intended to send it (I doubt he spent 30k years in the Sublime for it to just land in the wrong hands). Or at least he left it to someone in Halores body (Christina?), but I doubt it.
"Do you understand now, where all this is going?" repeated again and again. Why? Poetic effect? To remind us that the end is near for Bernard? Or to explore and clarify paths already taken but yet to be revealed? Is it possible that Bernard's msg was intended for himself? Real-world time is linear but not in the sublime. Could the msg from the sublime therefore, be delivered to Bernard in real life or vice versa. I accept that we see Hale's hands with the tablet containing Bernard's msg in the promo, however, perhaps another copy of Hale has simply discovered it/come across it after the fact. As far-fetched as it sounds, I'm starting to suspect Barnard made copies of Frankie and everyone else - because maybe the only way forward is saying goodbye to host and human forms as we know them to exist in the real world now. Maybe the hope for survival in the next world necessitates the extinction of what is - and requires a "blood sacrifice" (so to speak); Maybe then a small mixed and select few can enter the door to the sublime. Both Hosts and Human consciousness. Then and only then is there going to be hope for the survival of both human and host moving forward. Christina though.. I am just so so lost with what is going on there. I'm hoping that the next episode will be the episode that makes everything beautifully connect and fit into place in true Westworld style. Totally with you on the many odd moments in this episode. The Frankie/Caleb reunion felt odd; Maeve's death felt untimely and not in a heart-felt, moving way. Even the Christina bath scene - as beautiful as it was, it didn't seem to really move anything forward plot-wise. Something is off, or there is some major mind effery at play this episode.
Hax! We didn't lose Maeve. This episode was just another scenario run from Bernard. I think the last episode will be the "the one path" Bernard kept saying he found. I can't wait to see that one path!
Ya I feel like him talking to Maeve and then revealing her fate in the hallway rather than at hoover dam is just another simulated path of him trying to figure out how to get to the right ending. Also bc it goes from day to night in the shots of bernard being killed by MiB.
Cristina, IS the last game Bernard is referring to She is the savior and the way out Bernard is looking for, who can save both Robots and Humans, Bernard is trying to convince Hale to give her a chance, and the MiB is, from season 1, the antagonist of her (Dolores/Cristina)
Not sure if you chatched it, but I thought the scene with William and host-William was a call back to season one, when Dolores talked to Arnold. "Do you know who you have been talking to this whole time", Dolores realizes that the innervoice was herself and consciousness was born. This might be the 2nd successful transfer from human to host? I think season 5 will be the redemption story of William and hopefully Jimmi Simpson will return! Why look like an old guy, if you have a host body. And it would be a very poetic ending to the story! Tho, what do I know. Anyway great video as always!
Truly one of the only TH-camr's who see's and understands the unique story that westworld is telling. Your attention to detail and love of the show is incredible and anyone who wants to understand this show better should tune in. Thanks alot fam!
I still wanna know what happened to all those outliers that were put in cold storage by Serac. Do they get defrosted and wind up being the Meek that inherit the Earth??
12:28 "... now maybe ALL humans can become this..." YES ☝🏽😃💯 I fully believe that Bernard found out that Hale cracked the Immortality code, and found out how to download a human mind, into a Host body. Not only did this episode confirm that for me, but I found it VERY interesting, that Bernard scanned Frankie, back in episode 6. She asked him why... but he wouldn't tell her. Well, I think he knows that this world is at an end, and that none of the Humans are going to survive. However, some might be able to download their consciousness into the Sublime, and live again, through it. Which is why he left the door open for 'em. 👊🏼😉🚪
Incredible analysis. Though I found myself disagreeing with your final point about William slightly. I also found it disappointing, but not because it felt like they forced him into the bad guy role or took away his free choice. I felt that it actually demonstrated his ability to choose. In life, William repeatedly choose to hurt others in pursuit of his own desires. He learned to choose that and despite there being consequences (relationships with his wife and daughter and his own guilt) he never chose to learn another way.
Also Stubbs and Frankie come out just as Dolores and Teddy are going in. Seemingly showing that it's two different timelines or that D and T are simulations.
I never imagined "the transcended host" as the new body, I just see it as a machine transporting the pearl of the uploaded host to a new location for safekeeping or something...
Just me but it still drives me batshit crazy that since S2 the show has been freely alternating between copying/cloning consciousness creating a new individual and "transferring" it with implied continuation of the individual depending on what is convenient to the plot, without offering the slightest hint of what the difference is. I still have no idea what exactly is being transferred - what is being done that actually transcends copying code. I'd be happy to buy any explanation - consciousness creating an emergent "soul" than can be moved somehow or whatever, but not even a handwavy one is ever given.
I agree with your overall perspective that parts of this episode just felt a bit...off. I'm also hoping/suspecting a lot of those off moments were perhaps intentional. Definitely looking forward to the season finale!
Same here... a lot of things felt a little off. Since they created such a wonderful story on the first 6 episodes i feel that all things will be resolved on the last episode.
I felt that this episode moved way too fast. Almost like something was missing. Another thing is that things happen way too easily. Did Chalores/Hale knew that Christina will open the doors so Frankie can meet Caleb and get into some possible trap? Was it a plan all along? Where are all the guards. IDK, either there is going to be some big reveal in the last episode or the writers just got lazy.
@@Ekiboy1 Exactly. So many weird things .. Hale owns the world, She should have things under control. I mean only 2 unarmed drones walking around the tower.. Christina just freeing everyone. Her boss told 2 episodes away that she was already suspicious and she didn't monitor her?? The story of Caleb you mentioned, William just randomly talking with his human counterpart. And so many other questions. But let's have faith to the creators.Still one big episode left!
The armless drone could just be a physical storage unit for the pearl, while the pearl contents get e-mailed over to a virtual server. Bernard sent his mind to the Sublime using that headband/USB dongle LOL. The difference is that Bernard can e-mail his mind back to his body and return to the physical world. For Transcendent hosts, this trip is one way. If they somehow download their minds back into their pearl, that pearl doesn't have access to arms, or anything for printing a new flesh body.
The older hosts can’t do e-mail, so they just get faxed. JK couldn’t resist. I agree the armless machines merely hold the now-empty pearls from the transcended hosts.
KEY?: Photo of RED PEARL in human skulls vs BLACK PEARLS in host. Hale-Oris stated she was going to place humans in "Cold Storage". Is it possible that humanity have been placed into "RED" pearls. Flys subjugate humans>>> Humans then placed into RED PEARLS>>> Humans tortured in Virtual World>>> Then Host can EVOLVE from the computer world and into the REAL world?
I love that they show us Bernard didn't just "see" versions of the future but he lived them all. If this version was real world, then we know Bernard perhaps saw beyond his death in these senarios, hence planting the gun in the tunnel for an unknown to us reason. The transcendence was weird and off. I don't know why Hale would want her hosts out of the cities, but then put them in new bodies and send them back? I'm hoping those bodies have cool effects or capabilities that would make it a worthwhile change and a true upgrade. It could be that some of this episode was a version in the Sublime and some was real. Light changes and back and forth idk it felt different than the others but I hope the finale ties it all together ❤
I think Bernard was always going to have the measure of Maeve wrong because he’s been working on a copy of his perception of her throughout all his simulations in the sublime. And ultimately, she was the first host that Caleb infected all this years ago after the events of S3; she cares about humanity because of this but Bernard never witnessed it. I think she would have helped him even knowing that she’d be dooming herself
Some theories I have heard that seem to fit are that the Christina/Teddy scenes have all been taking place since Bernard opened The Sublime. It seems to make the most sense of what is going on here. I also truly believe Caleb is back in human form. I don't think that's the host version of him, but I could be wrong. Your theory is also very plausible. Last thing I had to add: There's absolutely no reason to waste scenes on C & her GF's relationship unless it has meaning next episode. I'm still convinced her GF has been infected by the flies and is part of Hale's plan. There is no other reason to show that "safe place" scene.
I'm with you on Caleb being the original (or if not that, an encrypted fidelity passing copy Maeve made which Hale couldn't re-create). Also with you on the C and Adina foreshadowing a betrayal (I can't quite remember who/what exactly, but the safe place line is pinging another memory, perhaps Dolores and Hale-copy before she turned?); though I of course wonder if that's what they want us to think by including those scenes so they can surprise us; edina could be an outlier host to something?! I think Frankie may die, oddly a fair bit because of the few interviews I've seen of showrunners etc. They seem to be bordering on overly full of praise for the actor playing Frankie, and it sort of suggests she might be a one season and done character; the pertinent question (or rather, the important choice) that could remain, may be, will Caleb be willing to participate in a world where he doesnt have someone else to live for besides himself?
I keep going back to when Delores told Teddy that to get rid of the flies, they had to burn all the infected cows. Flies hate smoke. I wonder if they'll be able to 'debug' the humans with smoke.
Nah, there's not gonna be any way to save the infected Humans, I have a bad feeling. Humanity is seriously F*CKED, and I don't think anybody is gonna make it. In fact... I think that's why we saw Bernard scanning Frankie's mind, back in season 6. She wanted to know WHY he did it, but he wouldn't tell her. All he would say is: "It's complicated". 😬🤖 lol I think the world really IS coming to an end. Rehoboham predicted back in season 3, that there would be several "Mass Casualty Events" & then a "Population Collapse"... which I believe we are seeing happening, right now. Well after THAT... it's "Extinction". 🤷🏻♀️😩⚰️ I think the only way for anybody to have a chance, is to escape into The Sublime. That's why Bernard left the door to it open.
I agree with the theory that Christina is the system. Explains why she lost control when William shut down the tower. But I can't figure out how it fits into Hale or Bernard stories. So many loose ends.
The change is about William. His host self reverting back to how original William was. A change back to wanting to destroy vs being a caretaker for the world Halores has created. William had previously said Halores' world had great beauty and was designed perfectly. He now wants to destroy it all. That is a complete 180. Bernard's message before he died was 100% for Halores so the change could be Halores becoming more like Delores instead of Hale. but I still think the change of heart is about William. Also I'm starting to believe everything since season 1 may have been a simulation.
Most importantly, what is the point? What are they going to do with those bodies, walk around without arms just looking at each other? Maybe it's just Halores going crazy because simulation and or another sublime would seem like the logical choice.
I'm pretty sure that absolutely everything Bernard has done since waking up has been with a specific purpose. That includes that uncomfortable scene with Maeve. Given how long he had to try permutations, he will have had time to carefully select words and actions. It wouldn't surpise me to find out that much of the bizarre prophet behaviour (and other things) is simply planting butterflies which will later go on to influence other events in subtle ways. Like, perhaps, talking just long enough at the right time so that a fight happens just at the right time in just the right place for Frankie to hear Caleb's message. I figure we've also got some element of non-linear storytelling involving memories. Like from the first season. I'm also wondering if there's some sort of Thirteenth Floor recursive simulation element going on. And, if so, how far down the turtles go. And, if so, how much Bernard knows about it.
Thinking that Bernard's recording is for Hale, evidenced by the finale trailer. In which case, I think Bernard is asking Hale to empower Christina to lead and (hopefully) sort out HiB and the new world!
I didn't think that Hale saying what she said about cold storage meant that she'd solved the immortality project, just that he was still useful for her ends in some way before he fell apart (presumably by being a mole into Frankie's group).
32:12 The thing about people being able to *choose* whether they're good or evil is that some may/will choose to be evil. Going down the evil path doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't a choice.
I felt like Maeve's death was wasted being shot like that, given she's hyped up being the weapon yet we did not see her doing any of her power after her return. Which made me think into a whole new perspective. In episode 3, when Stubbs asked Bernard about the key to saving the world, Bernard says "she is" and points to Frankie. My guess is, it's NOT about saving the world but more of "the key" to saving it, which is Frankie. What if Bernard's plan was actually to keep Frankie alive all along (at least until he died). Think about it, if Bernard had not intervene the two host at the diner, Frankie would have been dead. If Frankie had gone to the city to save the outlier, she would also probably be dead or replaced. The whole Maeve's thing being the weapon could be possibly a ploy for Bernard to keep Frankie stay close to him. He knew she was also looking for Caleb, but digging up Maeve was enough to keep her around. Like Bernard scanning Frankie, it could be simply that Bernard play out for a time. He knew there is a mole and Maeve would have already been awake by then to kill them. Lastly, he sent Stubbs to go with her to find Caleb and of course to protect her. In season 3 which also in episode 7, when Dolores went to Solomon to retrieve one final strategy, Solomon noted "that protect the most people" and Dolores asked for Caleb to be included. Later in the finale, Rehoboam predicted the collapse of humanity in about 23 years which probably quite a bit off but close enough I think. Interestingly Stubbs says, "I'm waiting 23 years for this" (lol he just want to retire). So if Caleb died that means his descendant who will have to continue his role which is Frankie, or maybe host Caleb still has a role to play.
I like this idea. Bernard: - killed 2 hosts at the diner and prevented the infiltration of the rebels to protect Frankie - they could have killed everybody. - prevented Frankie from going to the city on the extraction mission with others - Hale could have captured or replaced her. - dug up Maeve and lured Frankie into the old Golden Age park where she could have heard Caleb's message and be protected by Maeve while he could scan her and upload into the Sublime. - sent Stubbs to protect Frankie on her mission to the city to find Caleb. - sent a message to someone in the Sublime who will continue to protect Frankie after Bernard's own death. That's either Stubbs or Bernard's copy himself. Hale is reading the tablet by accident, the message is not meant for her. Frankie must be important because she's an outlier. Perhaps, Hale could solve her outlier problem by capturing/killing Frankie and postpone the transcendence of all hosts.
My god, dude! I thought I went down some rabbitholes with this show, but you've (AGAIN!) taken it further than I thought possible. There's a reason you're my favourite channel & this is it.
In the finale trailer, we see Halores being carried by a drone host, and then shooting at someone at the Hoover dam, wearing black gloves, the same gloves shown holding the tablet with Bernard's message!
Yuppp, and she's holding a mind pearl in her hand, in the trailer for the finale. I think it belongs to Maeve, and Hale is going to bring her back. I think Bernard's message will encourage her to do the right thing. Plus, all season long, Maeve has been called "a weapon", and yet... we haven't seen her doing anything particularly extraordinary. Well, I think Hale will bring her back, and we're gonna see Maeve do something incredible. Perhaps having to do w/helping people escape to the Sublime. Cuz remember that Bernard scanned Frankie?? She asked him why he did it... but he never gave her an answer. Just said "it's complicated". He didn't want her to know that everybody is going to die, and that the only way anybody can have a future, is in the virtual space of the Sublime.
@@n8thal718 I think it's Maeve. Bernard will help Hale and in return Hale will fulfill Bernard's promise to Maeve (to reupload her into the Sublime). That's my guess, not a spoiler
I feel the words "One more game" lead me to believe it's for William. Who played games more than William. William isn't dead yet. I have a feeling it's him who is going to give the choice. BUT in the episode 8 trailer we see Hale at the Hoover shooting backwards. AND by the way Bernard put the gun to the RIGHT, not the left, if one is entering the sublime. But if one is guarding the sublime from someone like Hale - then it would be on their LEFT. I don't like William being the hero of the game - he hasn't earned it. And we do know after the extinction event that William is sent into multiple simulations where he murders his daughter over and over - so I'm not so sure that Hale solved the human/host transference completely.
Inassume the body is to deliver the pearl somewhere. And I think Hale is carrying a lot more than people are acknowledging. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. Imagine being responsible for everyone.
Hi Hax, first time commenting on one of your posts. First, thank you for making these videos (and calling out your mirror world theory). Westworld has become an obsession of mine and seeing someone else who appreciates it for the art it is, is awesome and your theories get me so hype! I also watched your DEVS and Raised by Wolves breakdowns, and was wondering if you had any plans to do one for Severance?
I think the idea that Christina is the system definitely tracks, but I wouldn't give up on William/MIB's storyline just yet. As Hax points out, alpha William baited host William, and talked him out of question the nature of his reality. I'm still fingers crossed that host William will recognize that this wasn't what he wanted and will back down/change course/go another way in the finale. In terms of how off Bernard seems throughout, I think that is intentional. He is contemplating his own actual death and the annihilation of both his species and the humans they've trapped. And he is being shady, which isn't really his strong suit, in the hopes of saving a small piece of the world. Seems like Jeffrey Wright is letting those layers of anxiety and uncertainty through in an amazing way.
The only want I have that won’t be satisfied is a better executed reveal for the suicidal hosts. I think they dropped the ball by not including a new host (or maybe Clementine???) to give us perspective into one of the “infected hosts” and what goes on in their head leading up to the suicide and then that be acknowledged by Caleb. I feel like it would have made the reveal hit harder. They tried with that first host but to me, that was more of an opener for the topic. Too mysterious to be satisfying context.
And to expand on this a little for those interested or bored enough to read this: It could have given us much more satisfying context to how the human park works too. And I would think a brand new character would be best because as Charlores stated she sees them as her children and it would have been so nice to get to see her bond with a brand new one just for them to be “infected” and kill themself. That would give Hale a stronger motivation to close the parks and enforce her transcendence.
The Transcendence Bot was foreshadowed at the 36:36 mark in the episode when Maeve & Bernard were walking in the Tower City right before they neutralized the drone.
That whole transcend thing is definitely meant to suck. the host noticeably hunches over when they pull the pearl is like a type of sad death and less like transcendence. Also the creepy tall thing is alien, armless, faceless, and eyeless. Definitely neutered. Walking away all sad like. That's why hope went on a killing spree before her procedure, then offed herself. They don't want nothing to do with it. The other host thought "this place is wild!" They like their arms.
"A series of Bernards happening over and over again." Bernard basically does the same thing as host Caleb in the Fidelity episode. It took 23 years and several generations of host Caleb's instances working together to pass only a few bits of knowledge to the next generation to finally achieve one common goal - reach the roof and send the message. And It took 1000s of years in a simulation and countless Bernard's generations to achieve their much more complex goal - save the world. Only host Caleb 279 reaches the goal and lives. But is there Bernard X to reach his and still live? If Sublime is still operational by that time there should be. I think episodes 1-7 could be interpreted as the 2nd to last (last-1) Bernard's attempt that fails, and in episode 8 in his final attempt he will succeed. He woke up from the Sublime 2 times - there were 2 consecutive shots. Also Bernard is a leftie: - tern left on the fork - reach with your left hand
I think you're on point with Christina's path being the visualization of the bicameral mind. The seperate cognitive functions she's transitioning through. We're seeing her go through "the maze" basically. In season 1 Ford (Anthony Hopkins) was talking to Delores when he said "Your mind is a walled garden. Even death cannot touch the flowers blooming there." Remembering that, to me, confirms this. In my own mind I'm coming to that realization as Delores is right after she drowned herself. This is why I love Westworld.
@@HaxDogma I just had another epiphany. I think Christina is that part of Hale that is trying to get out. Why she scratches at herself. Once she gets to the center of the maze, she's wake up as Halores 2.0. Maybe!
*Episode 8: Delores will wake up and realize all 4 seasons were all a dream and young William, her husband is alive and in the shower. They both get dressed and go downstairs to a cocktail party. Fade to black. The end.*
Seeing those final characters get executed by headshot was super traumatizing, by a show about generational trauma lol. Even Frankie was shot...sigh. Great thoughtful commentary, as always. That $50 coat, has to be a glitch in the matrix. Thanks for sharing.
@@vkatmandu A jacket great enough to make a stranger rip off their own when it's cold? 'There are several lightweight jackets at Amazon...' type of enticing? Lol! Just joking. Take care.
If Christina is running in Hale's simulation, I think Teddy was uploaded in the system by Bernard. I don't understand a thing about computers so I may be talking something stupid but, in the last episode, Bernard said that he deciphered the riot robots while running simulations in the Sublime, maybe he deciphered how to invade Hale's system and uploaded Teddy there and he's like those viruses that run in our computers without we knowing they are there. He can be a virus disguised, Hale's system reads him as part of it and that's why Maya or Christina's boss can't detect him and report him to Hale.
Bro you killed it on this vid and made a new sub. The determinism Break down rocked my world. And you pieced the puzzle together without even seeing the picture on the box, I’m glad you were able to put into everything I was thinking along with you brother, Sunday is going to be a both exciting yet depressing. Then we gotta wait a whole other year before we get to see how this 23century host bible🙏🙏
The real Chekov's gun is Fidelity. We have been teased with this since season 2 so at some point it has to be reached. The irony is that Hale was not trying to reach Fidelity she was just trying to see his end game as an outlier.
I think Hale cracked the code, which is why... We see Bernard scanning Frankie's mind, back in episode 6. She asked him why he did it, but all he would tell her is "It's complicated". 😬🤖 I think Humanity really IS gonna lose... and that the only way for anybody to make it, will be to escape to The Sublime. Which is why Bernard left the door open. He knew that he was gonna die, and that people (Host OR Human), would need to escape in there, to hide from the Apocalyptic "game" that The Man in Black is now playing. But he's the only one w/the key to open it up, so... he made sure that he did, before kicking the bucket. We're getting closer & closer to Rehoboham's final predictions: "Population Collapse" & "Extinction".
Still sticking with early predictions - Christina is some sort of AI hybrid between Dolores and Rehoboam (or Soloman) resulting from their hookup that Hale was using to script and control humans in her park, apparently running in a mirror simulation of the real world. And Maya is a mature rendition of Maeves daughter over from the Sublime working with Teddy to wake the Dolores part of the hybrid.
The thing about the arms is in my opinion I believe that those new hosts without arms are actually just transition vessels because you don't see them anywhere else other than that room where the host are supposed to be transitioning to a new whatever. What if those bodies are just Transportation vessels to the machine that hail built for the hosts to transcend we already know that the hosts perceive time differently and can go through many years in a day or two in our real world Bernard went through Millennia in 20 years so it's not unfeasible to think that those are just Transportation vessels to give the posts time to be acclimated to their new world
The Transcendence Bot was foreshadowed at the 36:36 mark in the episode when Maeve & Bernard were walking in the Tower City right before they neutralized the drone.
"backstopped" is an interesting choice of words. They could have written "covered from behind", "making sure our 6 is covered", or "I'm the rear guard", just a whole host (hehe) of possibilities. They chose "backstopped", which, from a phonetical perspective, isn't all that far from "backed-up". Just a thought.
The message Bernard left was for either Frankie or hale, but leaning for hale. We have seen shots of hale and Frankie wearing gloves with the fingers out. Person who is holding the tablet in the trailer for next episode. Also Bernard mentions in the same trailer for next week in his message that this is the world she created. Based on all of that, plus the scene of hale at the damn in all black with a gun, hale in her red dress being picked up by a drone host, that hale will come back to help fight the man in black and help with Bernard’s plan.
Interesting that the sublime was so important that Hale made sure to keep it around... yet not important enough that it is just left wide open for the characters to enter it and open the door. (ignoring the battle bot that is posted there of course). Why aren't there a few hosts/guards there? Seems to be more or less the case with the tower as well. Leads me to think it may not be what it seems.
@@spadada Right! I have been trying to wrap my head around the odd juxtaposition of the Dam and the City. I know some suspension of disbelief is required when watching something like this but the way that the outliers seem to be able to waltz in and out of the city as well as make the 3000 mile journey from west to east coast at the drop of a hat has really perplexed me. At least in the Matrix films the transition from reality to simulation was a bit 'risky' and limited in duration. This just seems a bit off in a way that I can't quite put my thumb on.
@@jessedowling1263 awhile ago I suggested it’s not really NYC but a NYC park outside of Vegas and the water is Lake Mead, not NY Harbor, but they seem to really be saying it is literal Manhattan. 🤦🏻♀️
Completely agree. Either all of this is happening on purpose and Halores is allowing it. Like without Christina opening the doors how Frankie would have reached Caleb, if it's a trap made by Halores? Could be plot holes ofcourse.
I think Bernard in real world is leaving message for Bernard in simulation. It's like in TeneT temporal pincer movement. He run simulation for half of the plan. Then executes that half and gives feedback to simulation so later half can be simulated and then executed. Since Sublime is now unlocked maybe from the gate will appear new Bernard and Maeve(now with more fidelity) with information what happened
I had similar idea on my mind, BUT... as he's recording this message, I think - also after seeing promo for last episode - this is just the very moment when he knows its the end for him. But when he talks with Aki and replies "Yes" for "have You seen how it ends?" i take it as he have seen what happens after his "death". "Its a shame Youre gonna miss it" says Billiam... but I think Bernie wont miss it. Somehow. Somebody will come for his pearl to the tower (it wasnt destroyed entirely, only antenna) and bring it back to Sublime. And the message (promo: "this isnt the world You wanted, but the one You created") on tablet - it'll be played by Halores or Cookie. What happens next - have no idea.
don't tell me that we're gonna see blue and read teams of characters running backwards wearing gas masks and the tower suddenly building itself back up after the explosion :)
@@vkatmandu We can't really have someone moving backwards in time but fight simultaneously happening both in real life in simulation might look good. Opps that's already was in Inception.
Why would you need arms if you can control everything with your mind? It's like the Geth. They only have mobile platforms to perform tasks in the physical world build by natural life, but in Hales world, they constructed it to accommodate the hosts, meaning they don't need to open a door or type in a computer.
Same here, not sure why they are saying this is the transcendence, I thought also the pearls were taking the pearls to like an upload machine, Hales version of the sumblime
Also my theory is the Caleb we’ve been following has always simply been a William in a new body, undergoing reeducation. How Caleb interacted with Frankie when they first met was eerily reminiscent of MiB interacting with Emily post-massacre, minus the lack of access to fire arms.
I don't think it's saying William is bad but the over indulgence of that part of him could be. He's not totally William either. He's an impression of angry host Hale who was part of angry host Dolores' image of William from the Forge. Host William is just a shade
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I'm noticing that people were concerned about my "more gay things happen," line. I'm sorry that you perceived the use of the word gay as negative, I assure you, it was not used negatively. I am a proud bisexual man. I hope my position is clear now, and people stop policing my speech because I'm not perceived as a member of the alphabet mafia. Thank you, love you. Bye
I think most of us appreciate your commentary and theory style. I personally am not going to get offended at you opening your mind and sharing with us.
People will get mad at anything. Make your jokes man
These violent delights have violent ends
It hurts my brain thinking about you having to say this...of course you meant nothing but what the words mean...of course you weren't implying anything...cmon people...Hax is a White Hat...stay in your loops
Carry On Sir
As usual, waiting for your review of the season finale.
I never trust he won't survive whenever human William is seemingly killed lol also those giant hosts without arms are the creepiest thing Westworld has come up with so far in my opinion.
Definitely looking like something from the 23rd century.
Right?! 😄 I LOVE their design.
A lot of people were making fun of them on Reddit, (cuz they got no visible arms, etc) but you know what?? I think those things are gonna have the last laugh... because I think they are probably way more dangerous than we realize.
We haven't yet seen what their purpose is. What they can DO. We haven't seen them in their "final form", so to speak. But whatever it is, it probably won't bode well for Humanity.
We are definitely nearing the last & final prediction given by Rehoboahm: "Extinction"
They give me a war of the words feel, which is ironic as that's the point we are now at a war for the world between mankind and mankind's children, either co exist or both die. I hope that's just an advanced drone to transport the pearl and not the permanent new body Hale wants the hosts to take ... That is not an upgrade haha. It looks creepy, clunky and has no physical advantages. Even Hale hesitated to transcend. You can tell she was about to put it off before Maeve walked in. Even she prefers her hybrid body that allows her to feel and interact with the world in a natural way.
Also, it looks quite easy to destroy with a rocket or machine gun, so not a huge improvement. But most of all, no arms? How the hell will they interact with the physical world with just legs? Why not return to the bodies they originally had? My which I mean the early design metal skeleton with silicon skin. If they don't want to look human then no skin needed or add a blank outer layer to the internal skeleton with eyes.
They were just creepy and unappealing. It it any wonder the hosts don't want them, after all they are our children and built in our image, they want to interact with the natural world!? The bodies they have are better designed for the world they live in.
That said, for all I know the creepy bodies can change form and are super deadly against humans. They may turn out the most advanced and capable bodies on earth.
If I was offered immortality in a host body in 2050 or 2060 I'd take it (some sort of long life seems possible by the). If I was offered immortality in something like a terminator body I'd take it. I'd even take it in a drone host body. But those things for all eternity or at least thousands of years? Where the hell is the enjoyment in living haha?
I think they're just vehicles to get the pearls somewhere else. It's so stupid to have them exposed like that
Drone hosts are creepier imo
@HaxDogma That is my brother who was the Top-tier donor this week :). I've also been a subscriber to your channel for over 4 years now :)
Bernard had to imply that Stubbs would die because he programmed Stubbs to be his protector in his core. Therefore Stubbs would never have left Bernard alone if he had thought Bernard was going to be in mortal danger. Also - I don't see how Bernard could lie 100 percent about the future to anyone because the hosts have free will and more than amply demonstrated they can change their minds - so it may not be likely that Maeve will live to see her daughter, but he can promise to take her to the Sublime if she's living when it's all over. Also, as Akecheta has said many times - one is never truly dead until the last person who knows them is dead. And just as all the iterations of Dolores have the walled garden memory of Arnold - they also have the walled garden memory of Bernard. Remember, Bernard himself is a copy of someone. All the way down to offering his life to save another species. Death means nothing to the hosts as long as the Sublime exists and someone who knew them.
Well said.
But Stubbs could be human.
@@jonfreeman9682 I believe general consensus is that Stubbs is a host. He managed to get past Hale and escape the island in Season 2 when she hinted at him being a host. If he were human, he would die in a bath tub after the injury. Stubbs puts the tub in Stubbs. Bernard could have scanned and replaced him with a host. If he's still human he should look 23-30 years older that he was back then.
Of all the reviews out there, yours is my favorite ever since the westworld began.
Absolutely!
Thank you, Billy! ☺️
Glad to see someone else caught the concept of Christina possibly being the “system”. I thought of it as Christina is the “sound”. It’s how she is able to manipulate humans and pass through the city and see everything. A host mind existing as an operating system is or would be a very unique concept. It’s kind of like the guy who claims google is now alive. Hale or Delores/Hale coded her and her boss is the ultimate “if/elif/else” line of code. Of course people like myself can’t help noticing inconsistencies, and there are a lot, but it was an interesting episode.
In early stages of mind control we had only 7(?) possible actions sound could inflict. Cristina's way of storyteller voice that not just commands basic stuff but creates believable situations for human to react accordingly could be that evolutional step in the technology. And with increased complexity rises chance for self-consciousness?
v interesting, 2 questions tho: a) at the end of the ep Christina's power was drowned out by the tones suggesting theyre separate and b) at the end the tower was destroyed. If Christina is the system, how does she still exist?
She’s in Rihoberim
@@Rammythelogophile Both are good points. Part of my theory is that the tower being destroyed eliminated her ability to transmit the tone. For the last I have to assume that the system itself isn't in the tower as there are multiple parks and the networking infrastructure would be complex and require several server racks. The server farm would be underground with a sophisticated cooling system similar to what we saw in season 2. The fact is the theory doesn't explain Teddy.
I was honestly wondering if Cristina is actually still within a Rohobem like system still connected on the floor from last season.... I don't know... this show...it is a love hate show for me... I wish HBO had kept Raised by Wolves. This show is fine and all, the 1st season was a masterpiece, but since that it has had consistency and pacing issues, imho.
You know shits complicated when not even haxdogma can explain them to you
Facts
Since I've found your videos I stopped watching other creators who basically just provide an overview of the episode with minimal value added. You do a really fantastic job providing additional insight in your videos, so thank you!
That said I believe a couple of *LARGE* points were missed here. You did a really good job in the previous episode of calling out that the lab Caleb fights the hostbot in his quest to escape is the exact room Christina worked/works in. And that was then a lab. But "then" was only a couple of days ago considering that version of Caleb sent Frankie the message and now here she is. But at the same time, this is the building and floor Christina has been working in and we see her on that floor this episode and it is NOT a lab.
Furthermore, right after Frankie and Stubbs leave the man in black to die, they go through a corridor, and after they round a bend, the shot remains there for a couple of seconds and Christina and Teddy walk into the frame from exactly the direction Frankie and Stubbs came from. Now unless Stubbs got a lobotomy, or the four of them all bumped into each other, said a polite "pardon me" and moved on, we're looking at shenanigans here with Christina's timeline or with there being a simulation/multiverse of sorts.
One thing on the message, if you don't mind the additional thoughts?
The way I read it, Charlores was only ever going to *record* whatever message Caleb wanted to send at the time (timeline of it being recorded could have been anywhere in the last 20ish years, she could have foreseen exactly when to tell him it was, too); I suspect she only *broadcast* the audio to Frankie when she was ready to lure in the outliers with it (she had already decided it was the last day when she spoke to Caleb about Frankie coming for him).
In terms of what this means for the office/floor space being used differently, as an option outside one being a sim and the other real. Her trials with Caleb could have been all but finished long before she was creating/guiding Christina, and Caleb was in another room from where Christina worked, he could have been in stasis (if human) or powered down (if host) till being put in that room as live bait.
It was explained at the end of the episode that Christina and Teddy are invisible to normal people and hosts.
@@gillianboate Uuuuuuh, I like that angle, definitely possible!
@@Tvboy777 My brain when I first watched that scene: That doesn't look like anything to me. Seriously, I'd totally blanked on that, I just went back and watched it. Thank you for pointing it out. I would still have loved a mention of this specifically as well as the Christina+Teddy/Stubbs+Franky scene in the review, I think that's a pretty big thing (albeit in an episode with a lot of big things)
@@IAI060 I think so, anyway :)
I love the narrative that humanity can't be saved it adds a very interesting dynamic, anyone remember the poster for season 3 with the old host skeleton outside a destroyed city?
Yeah. And William's mind talking to immortality project admin while being at some sort of post apocalyptic building.
Yes, it's good that you love the extermination of humanity.
Yeah the Humans are f*cked. 😆 lmao
However... there might still be a way for some of them to live on, IF they can be scanned into the Sublime somehow.
I believe this is why Bernard scanned Frankie, back in episode 6. She asked him why he did that, but all he would say is: "it's complicated".
He wasn't ready to tell her that everybody is gonna die, and that nobody makes it, and that the only way for anyone to have a future... is living in the virtual space of the Sublime, along w/all of the Hosts.
Yet, the goal is to evolve host & humans to the next level... So it's a GOOD extinction event for both?
@Haxdogma, Remember in season 2 Ep 10, the system as represented by Logan said that the William code/program is irredeemable. So it makes perfect sense that he would do this survival of the fittest" thing.
Yes, BUT, the code that the park retrieved was of MiB, not William. He was two very different characters inside and outside of the park. His struggle has always been figuring out if he's truly more complicated and nuanced William, or if his true nature is MiB. The nature of his reality.
@@katies3338 thats why in the last scene he went out of the tower dressed as MiB 😎
@@katies3338 and the host is based off of the Man in Black too. I do think William had tried to influence this host version whether he really wanted to die I'm not really sure but he certainly wanted to escape out of his prison. He also seemed that he didn't really die right away which was interesting.
What's Charlotte Hale's favorite book?
A Farewell To Arms
DUDE I'm calling it now. Hopkins is back in the final episode of S04. I need my props when it happens. I also called out Teddy not being real.
Hopkins in the finale, I’m so down!
So then who beat up Peter Myers outside of Christina's apt??
We are shown a scene from Teddy's perspective when he's calling to Christina in the bathroom, which seems like it would be stretching things if he's just an aspect of her bicameral mind. Also Bernard told Akecheta he couldn't complete the path he wanted without help, which sort of sounded like he could be asking to recruit one or more hosts from the Sublime. So guessing Teddy is really the Sublime version and not a creation of Dolores/Christina's mind.
My friend,
Season 3, episode 2 has Mave in a Simulation.
Note: there is no screen ratio changes while in the simulation.
This brings the possibility that ALL the Christine story lines are occuring in the future and is based on past events.
The primary goal is to reawaken Delores?
Teddy is there because those in the sublime are helping people I the real world.
Also please note that there was a pearl on the control deck when Bernard opened the sublime.
Way off
No
very close to my theory. glad tos ee that the logci seems sound.
we'll see if we're right in a few days I hope :)
The Sublime and any simulation are two different things.
No. 😄 lmao
The aspect ratio didn't change until Maeve **realized** that she was in a simulation.
Then it DID.
From the previously released trailers, we do know Hale is in the Hoover Dam area shooting at someone (probably William). Its possible that she's been re-uploaded into a copy of her body. Its also very likely that the message Bernard is leaving on the tablet is actually for her, for Hale. (He also left the gun for her). It would be a redemption moment for her to preserve the Sublime servers from William and "activate" Delores/Christina somehow so that in the future, Delores can "save" both humanity and the hosts (which is what I believe we're seeing with the Christina arc).
I THINK THIS TOO. ☝🏽😃💯
We see Hale holding a mind pearl in her hand, in the trailer for the finale as well. I think she watches Bernard's message, has a change of heart... and realizes that she's gonna need Maeve to help her, if she wants their kind to have any sort of future.
This. He certainly left that message for Halores. In the trailer for episode 8 it's obviously her hand holding Bernard's tablet (dark skinned woman hand in the glove, exactly the same gloves that Halores on the dam from the season official trailer wears and the same Tessa Thompson in the interview wears). So it's her listening to his message, so she is being the one Bernard intended to send it (I doubt he spent 30k years in the Sublime for it to just land in the wrong hands). Or at least he left it to someone in Halores body (Christina?), but I doubt it.
Ford knew humanity alone was doomed, he knew host A.I. combo was thee only way for everything.
i agree haxdogma - i was also overcome with a sense of sadness with william.
its certainly getting very biblical. swarms of insects, cities on fire, resurrection. a shepherd giving prophecy, transcendence, etc
"Do you understand now, where all this is going?" repeated again and again. Why? Poetic effect? To remind us that the end is near for Bernard? Or to explore and clarify paths already taken but yet to be revealed?
Is it possible that Bernard's msg was intended for himself? Real-world time is linear but not in the sublime. Could the msg from the sublime therefore, be delivered to Bernard in real life or vice versa.
I accept that we see Hale's hands with the tablet containing Bernard's msg in the promo, however, perhaps another copy of Hale has simply discovered it/come across it after the fact.
As far-fetched as it sounds, I'm starting to suspect Barnard made copies of Frankie and everyone else - because maybe the only way forward is saying goodbye to host and human forms as we know them to exist in the real world now.
Maybe the hope for survival in the next world necessitates the extinction of what is - and requires a "blood sacrifice" (so to speak);
Maybe then a small mixed and select few can enter the door to the sublime. Both Hosts and Human consciousness. Then and only then is there going to be hope for the survival of both human and host moving forward.
Christina though.. I am just so so lost with what is going on there. I'm hoping that the next episode will be the episode that makes everything beautifully connect and fit into place in true Westworld style.
Totally with you on the many odd moments in this episode. The Frankie/Caleb reunion felt odd; Maeve's death felt untimely and not in a heart-felt, moving way. Even the Christina bath scene - as beautiful as it was, it didn't seem to really move anything forward plot-wise. Something is off, or there is some major mind effery at play this episode.
1st time seeing your breakdown, one of the best out there
I CANNOT WAIT FOR LAST EPISODE. PREPARE TO HAVE THAT PEARL BLOWN!
I’m absolutely ready for this!!!
@@HaxDogma I hope I'm ready, gonna be a wild ride! 😆 Can't wait for your breakdown of it my guy!
Hax! We didn't lose Maeve. This episode was just another scenario run from Bernard. I think the last episode will be the "the one path" Bernard kept saying he found. I can't wait to see that one path!
Ya I feel like him talking to Maeve and then revealing her fate in the hallway rather than at hoover dam is just another simulated path of him trying to figure out how to get to the right ending. Also bc it goes from day to night in the shots of bernard being killed by MiB.
I think you are right on. I’ve been saying this all week and to my disappointment with no concurrence.
Cristina, IS the last game Bernard is referring to
She is the savior and the way out Bernard is looking for, who can save both Robots and Humans, Bernard is trying to convince Hale to give her a chance, and the MiB is, from season 1, the antagonist of her (Dolores/Cristina)
makes sense. The hosts achieved consciousness by going through a tragedy/suffering. MiB is the nexus of Dolores' suffering.
Not sure if you chatched it, but I thought the scene with William and host-William was a call back to season one, when Dolores talked to Arnold. "Do you know who you have been talking to this whole time", Dolores realizes that the innervoice was herself and consciousness was born. This might be the 2nd successful transfer from human to host? I think season 5 will be the redemption story of William and hopefully Jimmi Simpson will return! Why look like an old guy, if you have a host body. And it would be a very poetic ending to the story!
Tho, what do I know. Anyway great video as always!
Clearly Hale doesn't believe in the right to bear arms.
Can't really blame her.
10/10
Hax going the fuck off about the no arms robot has made this entire season worth it.
Haha, glad someone enjoyed that moment 😹
Thanks Hax! Cheers
I enjoy your breakdowns of the episodes. You put thought vs some that just do a summary … thank you for the time you out into each episode. :)
Truly one of the only TH-camr's who see's and understands the unique story that westworld is telling. Your attention to detail and love of the show is incredible and anyone who wants to understand this show better should tune in. Thanks alot fam!
I still wanna know what happened to all those outliers that were put in cold storage by Serac. Do they get defrosted and wind up being the Meek that inherit the Earth??
I think they're in the containers in the water around the white tower
12:28 "... now maybe ALL humans can become this..." YES ☝🏽😃💯 I fully believe that Bernard found out that Hale cracked the Immortality code, and found out how to download a human mind, into a Host body.
Not only did this episode confirm that for me, but I found it VERY interesting, that Bernard scanned Frankie, back in episode 6.
She asked him why... but he wouldn't tell her.
Well, I think he knows that this world is at an end, and that none of the Humans are going to survive. However, some might be able to download their consciousness into the Sublime, and live again, through it.
Which is why he left the door open for 'em. 👊🏼😉🚪
SO CLOSE TO 50,000!!! 🤩
Did you see my message for you? 😁
Incredible analysis.
Though I found myself disagreeing with your final point about William slightly. I also found it disappointing, but not because it felt like they forced him into the bad guy role or took away his free choice.
I felt that it actually demonstrated his ability to choose. In life, William repeatedly choose to hurt others in pursuit of his own desires. He learned to choose that and despite there being consequences (relationships with his wife and daughter and his own guilt) he never chose to learn another way.
Also Stubbs and Frankie come out just as Dolores and Teddy are going in. Seemingly showing that it's two different timelines or that D and T are simulations.
Surprised hax missed that
@@a.b.editing3134 Yeah. Hopefully he'll mention his thoughts about it in the comments or next video.
I never imagined "the transcended host" as the new body, I just see it as a machine transporting the pearl of the uploaded host to a new location for safekeeping or something...
Exactly
Just me but it still drives me batshit crazy that since S2 the show has been freely alternating between copying/cloning consciousness creating a new individual and "transferring" it with implied continuation of the individual depending on what is convenient to the plot, without offering the slightest hint of what the difference is. I still have no idea what exactly is being transferred - what is being done that actually transcends copying code. I'd be happy to buy any explanation - consciousness creating an emergent "soul" than can be moved somehow or whatever, but not even a handwavy one is ever given.
No comment about the huge door to the sublime just sitting open in the middle of the Hoover dam? Or did I miss that?
Oh and also also! Bernard leaving the gun reminds me of the gun being left for Delores/Wyatt to kill both Arnold and Ford
I agree with your overall perspective that parts of this episode just felt a bit...off. I'm also hoping/suspecting a lot of those off moments were perhaps intentional. Definitely looking forward to the season finale!
Same here... a lot of things felt a little off. Since they created such a wonderful story on the first 6 episodes i feel that all things will be resolved on the last episode.
I felt that this episode moved way too fast. Almost like something was missing. Another thing is that things happen way too easily. Did Chalores/Hale knew that Christina will open the doors so Frankie can meet Caleb and get into some possible trap? Was it a plan all along? Where are all the guards. IDK, either there is going to be some big reveal in the last episode or the writers just got lazy.
@@Ekiboy1 Exactly. So many weird things ..
Hale owns the world, She should have things under control. I mean only 2 unarmed drones walking around the tower..
Christina just freeing everyone. Her boss told 2 episodes away that she was already suspicious and she didn't monitor her??
The story of Caleb you mentioned, William just randomly talking with his human counterpart.
And so many other questions.
But let's have faith to the creators.Still one big episode left!
I keep going back to when Bernard was scanning to make a copy of Frankie and her friends. He never gave the reason why.
The armless drone could just be a physical storage unit for the pearl, while the pearl contents get e-mailed over to a virtual server. Bernard sent his mind to the Sublime using that headband/USB dongle LOL. The difference is that Bernard can e-mail his mind back to his body and return to the physical world. For Transcendent hosts, this trip is one way. If they somehow download their minds back into their pearl, that pearl doesn't have access to arms, or anything for printing a new flesh body.
The older hosts can’t do e-mail, so they just get faxed. JK couldn’t resist. I agree the armless machines merely hold the now-empty pearls from the transcended hosts.
Note that there is a PEARL connector on the work panel in the damn server room.
KEY?: Photo of RED PEARL in human skulls vs BLACK PEARLS in host.
Hale-Oris stated she was going to place humans in "Cold Storage". Is it possible that humanity have been placed into "RED" pearls.
Flys subjugate humans>>> Humans then placed into RED PEARLS>>> Humans tortured in Virtual World>>> Then Host can EVOLVE from the computer world and into the REAL world?
Great breakdown Hax!! My thought is that Bernard is using Teddy to help her wake up.
Yes! Love it!!
I love that they show us Bernard didn't just "see" versions of the future but he lived them all. If this version was real world, then we know Bernard perhaps saw beyond his death in these senarios, hence planting the gun in the tunnel for an unknown to us reason. The transcendence was weird and off. I don't know why Hale would want her hosts out of the cities, but then put them in new bodies and send them back? I'm hoping those bodies have cool effects or capabilities that would make it a worthwhile change and a true upgrade.
It could be that some of this episode was a version in the Sublime and some was real. Light changes and back and forth idk it felt different than the others but I hope the finale ties it all together ❤
I think Bernard was always going to have the measure of Maeve wrong because he’s been working on a copy of his perception of her throughout all his simulations in the sublime. And ultimately, she was the first host that Caleb infected all this years ago after the events of S3; she cares about humanity because of this but Bernard never witnessed it. I think she would have helped him even knowing that she’d be dooming herself
Some theories I have heard that seem to fit are that the Christina/Teddy scenes have all been taking place since Bernard opened The Sublime. It seems to make the most sense of what is going on here.
I also truly believe Caleb is back in human form. I don't think that's the host version of him, but I could be wrong. Your theory is also very plausible.
Last thing I had to add: There's absolutely no reason to waste scenes on C & her GF's relationship unless it has meaning next episode. I'm still convinced her GF has been infected by the flies and is part of Hale's plan. There is no other reason to show that "safe place" scene.
I'm with you on Caleb being the original (or if not that, an encrypted fidelity passing copy Maeve made which Hale couldn't re-create).
Also with you on the C and Adina foreshadowing a betrayal (I can't quite remember who/what exactly, but the safe place line is pinging another memory, perhaps Dolores and Hale-copy before she turned?); though I of course wonder if that's what they want us to think by including those scenes so they can surprise us; edina could be an outlier host to something?!
I think Frankie may die, oddly a fair bit because of the few interviews I've seen of showrunners etc. They seem to be bordering on overly full of praise for the actor playing Frankie, and it sort of suggests she might be a one season and done character; the pertinent question (or rather, the important choice) that could remain, may be, will Caleb be willing to participate in a world where he doesnt have someone else to live for besides himself?
I thought this too. That character must have some purpose or why bother?
I keep going back to when Delores told Teddy that to get rid of the flies, they had to burn all the infected cows. Flies hate smoke. I wonder if they'll be able to 'debug' the humans with smoke.
Nah, there's not gonna be any way to save the infected Humans, I have a bad feeling. Humanity is seriously F*CKED, and I don't think anybody is gonna make it. In fact...
I think that's why we saw Bernard scanning Frankie's mind, back in season 6. She wanted to know WHY he did it, but he wouldn't tell her. All he would say is: "It's complicated". 😬🤖 lol
I think the world really IS coming to an end.
Rehoboham predicted back in season 3, that there would be several "Mass Casualty Events" & then a "Population Collapse"... which I believe we are seeing happening, right now.
Well after THAT... it's "Extinction". 🤷🏻♀️😩⚰️
I think the only way for anybody to have a chance, is to escape into The Sublime. That's why Bernard left the door to it open.
I agree with the theory that Christina is the system. Explains why she lost control when William shut down the tower. But I can't figure out how it fits into Hale or Bernard stories. So many loose ends.
holy *** the video is finally out. I've waited patiently.
"Reach with your left hand" for the gun hidden in the damn?
The change is about William. His host self reverting back to how original William was. A change back to wanting to destroy vs being a caretaker for the world Halores has created. William had previously said Halores' world had great beauty and was designed perfectly. He now wants to destroy it all. That is a complete 180. Bernard's message before he died was 100% for Halores so the change could be Halores becoming more like Delores instead of Hale. but I still think the change of heart is about William. Also I'm starting to believe everything since season 1 may have been a simulation.
The Transcendence Drone.... Scariest thing this show has done. Those weird feet. The lack of arms. The fact it moves. Nope. No thank you.
Most importantly, what is the point? What are they going to do with those bodies, walk around without arms just looking at each other? Maybe it's just Halores going crazy because simulation and or another sublime would seem like the logical choice.
I'm pretty sure that absolutely everything Bernard has done since waking up has been with a specific purpose. That includes that uncomfortable scene with Maeve. Given how long he had to try permutations, he will have had time to carefully select words and actions. It wouldn't surpise me to find out that much of the bizarre prophet behaviour (and other things) is simply planting butterflies which will later go on to influence other events in subtle ways. Like, perhaps, talking just long enough at the right time so that a fight happens just at the right time in just the right place for Frankie to hear Caleb's message.
I figure we've also got some element of non-linear storytelling involving memories. Like from the first season.
I'm also wondering if there's some sort of Thirteenth Floor recursive simulation element going on. And, if so, how far down the turtles go. And, if so, how much Bernard knows about it.
Agreed. I’m still searching for the comment that says something about the significance of Bernard’s saving the beetle/cockroach from the drone.
Thinking that Bernard's recording is for Hale, evidenced by the finale trailer. In which case, I think Bernard is asking Hale to empower Christina to lead and (hopefully) sort out HiB and the new world!
I didn't think that Hale saying what she said about cold storage meant that she'd solved the immortality project, just that he was still useful for her ends in some way before he fell apart (presumably by being a mole into Frankie's group).
32:12 The thing about people being able to *choose* whether they're good or evil is that some may/will choose to be evil. Going down the evil path doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't a choice.
I felt like Maeve's death was wasted being shot like that, given she's hyped up being the weapon yet we did not see her doing any of her power after her return. Which made me think into a whole new perspective.
In episode 3, when Stubbs asked Bernard about the key to saving the world, Bernard says "she is" and points to Frankie.
My guess is, it's NOT about saving the world but more of "the key" to saving it, which is Frankie. What if Bernard's plan was actually to keep Frankie alive all along (at least until he died). Think about it, if Bernard had not intervene the two host at the diner, Frankie would have been dead. If Frankie had gone to the city to save the outlier, she would also probably be dead or replaced. The whole Maeve's thing being the weapon could be possibly a ploy for Bernard to keep Frankie stay close to him. He knew she was also looking for Caleb, but digging up Maeve was enough to keep her around. Like Bernard scanning Frankie, it could be simply that Bernard play out for a time. He knew there is a mole and Maeve would have already been awake by then to kill them. Lastly, he sent Stubbs to go with her to find Caleb and of course to protect her.
In season 3 which also in episode 7, when Dolores went to Solomon to retrieve one final strategy, Solomon noted "that protect the most people" and Dolores asked for Caleb to be included. Later in the finale, Rehoboam predicted the collapse of humanity in about 23 years which probably quite a bit off but close enough I think. Interestingly Stubbs says, "I'm waiting 23 years for this" (lol he just want to retire). So if Caleb died that means his descendant who will have to continue his role which is Frankie, or maybe host Caleb still has a role to play.
She "served" as a weapon to kill the host who was trying to kill Cookie but that's it
I like this idea. Bernard:
- killed 2 hosts at the diner and prevented the infiltration of the rebels to protect Frankie - they could have killed everybody.
- prevented Frankie from going to the city on the extraction mission with others - Hale could have captured or replaced her.
- dug up Maeve and lured Frankie into the old Golden Age park where she could have heard Caleb's message and be protected by Maeve while he could scan her and upload into the Sublime.
- sent Stubbs to protect Frankie on her mission to the city to find Caleb.
- sent a message to someone in the Sublime who will continue to protect Frankie after Bernard's own death. That's either Stubbs or Bernard's copy himself. Hale is reading the tablet by accident, the message is not meant for her.
Frankie must be important because she's an outlier. Perhaps, Hale could solve her outlier problem by capturing/killing Frankie and postpone the transcendence of all hosts.
Thank you. I came here searching for discourse on Maeve's seemingly pointless role in this episode. . . . foud it!
My god, dude! I thought I went down some rabbitholes with this show, but you've (AGAIN!) taken it further than I thought possible. There's a reason you're my favourite channel & this is it.
In the finale trailer, we see Halores being carried by a drone host, and then shooting at someone at the Hoover dam, wearing black gloves, the same gloves shown holding the tablet with Bernard's message!
Yuppp, and she's holding a mind pearl in her hand, in the trailer for the finale. I think it belongs to Maeve, and Hale is going to bring her back. I think Bernard's message will encourage her to do the right thing.
Plus, all season long, Maeve has been called "a weapon", and yet... we haven't seen her doing anything particularly extraordinary. Well, I think Hale will bring her back, and we're gonna see Maeve do something incredible. Perhaps having to do w/helping people escape to the Sublime.
Cuz remember that Bernard scanned Frankie?? She asked him why he did it... but he never gave her an answer. Just said "it's complicated". He didn't want her to know that everybody is going to die, and that the only way anybody can have a future, is in the virtual space of the Sublime.
I think the pearl may be Delores....
@@n8thal718 I think it's Maeve. Bernard will help Hale and in return Hale will fulfill Bernard's promise to Maeve (to reupload her into the Sublime). That's my guess, not a spoiler
Is Christina the equivalent of Cortona from HALO …. an OS that became so advanced it started gaining its own consciousness
Omg… if she is the system, you’re right! She will literally be Cortana 😹
I feel the words "One more game" lead me to believe it's for William. Who played games more than William. William isn't dead yet. I have a feeling it's him who is going to give the choice. BUT in the episode 8 trailer we see Hale at the Hoover shooting backwards. AND by the way Bernard put the gun to the RIGHT, not the left, if one is entering the sublime. But if one is guarding the sublime from someone like Hale - then it would be on their LEFT. I don't like William being the hero of the game - he hasn't earned it. And we do know after the extinction event that William is sent into multiple simulations where he murders his daughter over and over - so I'm not so sure that Hale solved the human/host transference completely.
This show can be so confusing, thanks for the breakdown. My mind is all twisted up like a pretzel... there's a pretzel in my head
Teddy just being an imaginary friend... Many of us are familiar with this concept, especially at times of loneliness and stress:)
Inassume the body is to deliver the pearl somewhere. And I think Hale is carrying a lot more than people are acknowledging. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. Imagine being responsible for everyone.
Hi Hax, first time commenting on one of your posts. First, thank you for making these videos (and calling out your mirror world theory). Westworld has become an obsession of mine and seeing someone else who appreciates it for the art it is, is awesome and your theories get me so hype!
I also watched your DEVS and Raised by Wolves breakdowns, and was wondering if you had any plans to do one for Severance?
Maeve and Hale were not shot directly in the middle of the head. So pearls weren't broken. Bernard was shot in the middle though. So there is that...
I think the idea that Christina is the system definitely tracks, but I wouldn't give up on William/MIB's storyline just yet. As Hax points out, alpha William baited host William, and talked him out of question the nature of his reality. I'm still fingers crossed that host William will recognize that this wasn't what he wanted and will back down/change course/go another way in the finale. In terms of how off Bernard seems throughout, I think that is intentional. He is contemplating his own actual death and the annihilation of both his species and the humans they've trapped. And he is being shady, which isn't really his strong suit, in the hopes of saving a small piece of the world. Seems like Jeffrey Wright is letting those layers of anxiety and uncertainty through in an amazing way.
The only want I have that won’t be satisfied is a better executed reveal for the suicidal hosts. I think they dropped the ball by not including a new host (or maybe Clementine???) to give us perspective into one of the “infected hosts” and what goes on in their head leading up to the suicide and then that be acknowledged by Caleb. I feel like it would have made the reveal hit harder. They tried with that first host but to me, that was more of an opener for the topic. Too mysterious to be satisfying context.
And to expand on this a little for those interested or bored enough to read this:
It could have given us much more satisfying context to how the human park works too.
And I would think a brand new character would be best because as Charlores stated she sees them as her children and it would have been so nice to get to see her bond with a brand new one just for them to be “infected” and kill themself. That would give Hale a stronger motivation to close the parks and enforce her transcendence.
The Transcendence Bot was foreshadowed at the 36:36 mark in the episode when Maeve & Bernard were walking in the Tower City right before they neutralized the drone.
I’ve been waiting for this one
That whole transcend thing is definitely meant to suck.
the host noticeably hunches over when they pull the pearl is like a type of sad death and less like transcendence.
Also the creepy tall thing is alien, armless, faceless, and eyeless.
Definitely neutered. Walking away all sad like.
That's why hope went on a killing spree before her procedure, then offed herself. They don't want nothing to do with it.
The other host thought "this place is wild!" They like their arms.
Wonderful theory crafting. What of Clem?
"A series of Bernards happening over and over again."
Bernard basically does the same thing as host Caleb in the Fidelity episode. It took 23 years and several generations of host Caleb's instances working together to pass only a few bits of knowledge to the next generation to finally achieve one common goal - reach the roof and send the message. And It took 1000s of years in a simulation and countless Bernard's generations to achieve their much more complex goal - save the world. Only host Caleb 279 reaches the goal and lives. But is there Bernard X to reach his and still live? If Sublime is still operational by that time there should be. I think episodes 1-7 could be interpreted as the 2nd to last (last-1) Bernard's attempt that fails, and in episode 8 in his final attempt he will succeed. He woke up from the Sublime 2 times - there were 2 consecutive shots.
Also Bernard is a leftie:
- tern left on the fork
- reach with your left hand
I think you're on point with Christina's path being the visualization of the bicameral mind. The seperate cognitive functions she's transitioning through. We're seeing her go through "the maze" basically. In season 1 Ford (Anthony Hopkins) was talking to Delores when he said "Your mind is a walled garden. Even death cannot touch the flowers blooming there." Remembering that, to me, confirms this. In my own mind I'm coming to that realization as Delores is right after she drowned herself. This is why I love Westworld.
Absolutely great point, love love love this!
@@HaxDogma I just had another epiphany. I think Christina is that part of Hale that is trying to get out. Why she scratches at herself. Once she gets to the center of the maze, she's wake up as Halores 2.0. Maybe!
*Episode 8: Delores will wake up and realize all 4 seasons were all a dream and young William, her husband is alive and in the shower. They both get dressed and go downstairs to a cocktail party. Fade to black. The end.*
So, erm ... who shot JR, again?
@@razzle1964 - *Maggie Simpson?*
@@BillPigg aah, I thought that was Waylon Smithers?
I KNOW there were geeks that were giddy to see William make the world into his own Red Dead Redemption.
If you think about it, Cristina is acting exactly like a fly would except she is her own control system.
I agree, teddy is her bicameral mind guiding her to the middle of her maze.
Seeing those final characters get executed by headshot was super traumatizing, by a show about generational trauma lol. Even Frankie was shot...sigh. Great thoughtful commentary, as always. That $50 coat, has to be a glitch in the matrix. Thanks for sharing.
you can find a lightweight coat for 50$ on Amazon
@@vkatmandu A jacket great enough to make a stranger rip off their own when it's cold? 'There are several lightweight jackets at Amazon...' type of enticing? Lol! Just joking. Take care.
If Christina is running in Hale's simulation, I think Teddy was uploaded in the system by Bernard. I don't understand a thing about computers so I may be talking something stupid but, in the last episode, Bernard said that he deciphered the riot robots while running simulations in the Sublime, maybe he deciphered how to invade Hale's system and uploaded Teddy there and he's like those viruses that run in our computers without we knowing they are there. He can be a virus disguised, Hale's system reads him as part of it and that's why Maya or Christina's boss can't detect him and report him to Hale.
Bro you killed it on this vid and made a new sub. The determinism Break down rocked my world. And you pieced the puzzle together without even seeing the picture on the box, I’m glad you were able to put into everything I was thinking along with you brother, Sunday is going to be a both exciting yet depressing. Then we gotta wait a whole other year before we get to see how this 23century host bible🙏🙏
The real Chekov's gun is Fidelity. We have been teased with this since season 2 so at some point it has to be reached. The irony is that Hale was not trying to reach Fidelity she was just trying to see his end game as an outlier.
I think Hale cracked the code, which is why...
We see Bernard scanning Frankie's mind, back in episode 6. She asked him why he did it, but all he would tell her is "It's complicated". 😬🤖
I think Humanity really IS gonna lose... and that the only way for anybody to make it, will be to escape to The Sublime.
Which is why Bernard left the door open.
He knew that he was gonna die, and that people (Host OR Human), would need to escape in there, to hide from the Apocalyptic "game" that The Man in Black is now playing. But he's the only one w/the key to open it up, so... he made sure that he did, before kicking the bucket.
We're getting closer & closer to Rehoboham's final predictions:
"Population Collapse" & "Extinction".
Still sticking with early predictions - Christina is some sort of AI hybrid between Dolores and Rehoboam (or Soloman) resulting from their hookup that Hale was using to script and control humans in her park, apparently running in a mirror simulation of the real world. And Maya is a mature rendition of Maeves daughter over from the Sublime working with Teddy to wake the Dolores part of the hybrid.
I like how much control of information is key to control over all In this as it reflects the world too nicely
The thing about the arms is in my opinion I believe that those new hosts without arms are actually just transition vessels because you don't see them anywhere else other than that room where the host are supposed to be transitioning to a new whatever. What if those bodies are just Transportation vessels to the machine that hail built for the hosts to transcend we already know that the hosts perceive time differently and can go through many years in a day or two in our real world Bernard went through Millennia in 20 years so it's not unfeasible to think that those are just Transportation vessels to give the posts time to be acclimated to their new world
The Transcendence Bot was foreshadowed at the 36:36 mark in the episode when Maeve & Bernard were walking in the Tower City right before they neutralized the drone.
17:00 I think it means that human William cant leave this weird cage or he will simply die, so killing him there was a mercy
"backstopped" is an interesting choice of words. They could have written "covered from behind", "making sure our 6 is covered", or "I'm the rear guard", just a whole host (hehe) of possibilities. They chose "backstopped", which, from a phonetical perspective, isn't all that far from "backed-up". Just a thought.
The message Bernard left was for either Frankie or hale, but leaning for hale. We have seen shots of hale and Frankie wearing gloves with the fingers out. Person who is holding the tablet in the trailer for next episode. Also Bernard mentions in the same trailer for next week in his message that this is the world she created. Based on all of that, plus the scene of hale at the damn in all black with a gun, hale in her red dress being picked up by a drone host, that hale will come back to help fight the man in black and help with Bernard’s plan.
Teddy should try showing her old footage of dolores at westworld and see how she reacts lol
Interesting that the sublime was so important that Hale made sure to keep it around... yet not important enough that it is just left wide open for the characters to enter it and open the door. (ignoring the battle bot that is posted there of course). Why aren't there a few hosts/guards there? Seems to be more or less the case with the tower as well.
Leads me to think it may not be what it seems.
God I hope so. This and the super slow boat that the rebels escaped the city in are either crazy plot holes or purposeful “something is off” clues.
@@spadada Right! I have been trying to wrap my head around the odd juxtaposition of the Dam and the City. I know some suspension of disbelief is required when watching something like this but the way that the outliers seem to be able to waltz in and out of the city as well as make the 3000 mile journey from west to east coast at the drop of a hat has really perplexed me.
At least in the Matrix films the transition from reality to simulation was a bit 'risky' and limited in duration. This just seems a bit off in a way that I can't quite put my thumb on.
@@jessedowling1263 awhile ago I suggested it’s not really NYC but a NYC park outside of Vegas and the water is Lake Mead, not NY Harbor, but they seem to really be saying it is literal Manhattan. 🤦🏻♀️
Aside from Lake Mead drying up as we speak that is a solid theory. Heck any west coast location would seem more logical than Manhattan at this point.
Completely agree. Either all of this is happening on purpose and Halores is allowing it. Like without Christina opening the doors how Frankie would have reached Caleb, if it's a trap made by Halores? Could be plot holes ofcourse.
Your reviews are awesome! Worth the wait, I always get excited when I see something new you posted.
I think Bernard in real world is leaving message for Bernard in simulation. It's like in TeneT temporal pincer movement. He run simulation for half of the plan. Then executes that half and gives feedback to simulation so later half can be simulated and then executed. Since Sublime is now unlocked maybe from the gate will appear new Bernard and Maeve(now with more fidelity) with information what happened
I had similar idea on my mind, BUT... as he's recording this message, I think - also after seeing promo for last episode - this is just the very moment when he knows its the end for him. But when he talks with Aki and replies "Yes" for "have You seen how it ends?" i take it as he have seen what happens after his "death". "Its a shame Youre gonna miss it" says Billiam... but I think Bernie wont miss it. Somehow. Somebody will come for his pearl to the tower (it wasnt destroyed entirely, only antenna) and bring it back to Sublime.
And the message (promo: "this isnt the world You wanted, but the one You created") on tablet - it'll be played by Halores or Cookie. What happens next - have no idea.
don't tell me that we're gonna see blue and read teams of characters running backwards wearing gas masks and the tower suddenly building itself back up after the explosion :)
@@vkatmandu We can't really have someone moving backwards in time but fight simultaneously happening both in real life in simulation might look good. Opps that's already was in Inception.
@@tembelg.gr.4486 I believe Inception had 3 levels - a dream within a dream. Could we also have 3: real, simulation, simulation within the simulation?
Swilliam taking down everyone in that episode like he was npc hunting 🤫
Why would you need arms if you can control everything with your mind? It's like the Geth. They only have mobile platforms to perform tasks in the physical world build by natural life, but in Hales world, they constructed it to accommodate the hosts, meaning they don't need to open a door or type in a computer.
24:25 I honestly thought it was just a transport system that took the pearl somewhere offscreen...maybe?
Same here, not sure why they are saying this is the transcendence, I thought also the pearls were taking the pearls to like an upload machine, Hales version of the sumblime
Ah! Good point, it very well could be 🙌
@@dwightwright6334 but why? Why such a convoluted delivery system? And the pearl is so exposed, sitting on the shelf in that open “head.”
@@spadada More ritualistic than practical? By that logic it would be even more impractical as a host too, right?
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“William baits Billiam into killing him”
I see you’ve added rap lyricists to your skill-set
As always amazing review!
Also my theory is the Caleb we’ve been following has always simply been a William in a new body, undergoing reeducation. How Caleb interacted with Frankie when they first met was eerily reminiscent of MiB interacting with Emily post-massacre, minus the lack of access to fire arms.
William hates being called Billy cause he wants to think he isn't host and his choices matter.
Thank god!! Been waiting since Sunday for your breakdown.
I don't think it's saying William is bad but the over indulgence of that part of him could be. He's not totally William either. He's an impression of angry host Hale who was part of angry host Dolores' image of William from the Forge. Host William is just a shade