Considering ahsoka is 14 she doesn't outrank anyone, what kind of worth of death lunatic thinks children should be allowed in battle? If that's the standard of the jedi order order 66 was a great event
A General is a commander in the army. An Admiral is a commander in the navy. Not only are they the sams rank, but it's also out of jurisdiction, unless an officer of superior rank and with overall command (like the commander of an entire front or region or one of his subordinates) makes that command.
I feel like the clone commanders who were personally trained by Jango would have far greater knowledge of battle tactics and leadership skills than any Jedi general. Not to say some Jedi weren’t great leaders like Anakin for example but most Jedi had little experience compared to those clone commanders.
@@sp4391 Your thinking of Krell, Anakin actually admired and respected his soldiers. Now was it Anakin’s fault that his legion (501st) saw the most action in the war compared to other legions? Think about it, Anakin and the 501st took part in many of the major conflicts during the clone wars and using common sense we know that in war and in brutal battles of war you will lose men. Normandy and the storming of the beach, are you saying that the Eisenhower was a dumbass when that was literally the only strategy he had, throwing his men into the meat grinder? Same goes for Anakin, at least he spearheaded most if not all of the conflicts his legion was apart of. Many of the Jedi generals did not fight in the front lines like Anakin did or lead his men in the front.
@@orestmarkheva7325 He was a soldier during the mandalorian civil war, and he had experience leading men in the war. He was young when his parents died from the death watch and he was rescued by another mandalorian clan that was fighting them. He quickly climbed the ranks being one of the leaders and after he was the sole survivor of the clan he went into bounty hunting. So he had plenty of experience to train soldiers but I agree he was far better training the elite clone force units like commandos but some commanders like Cody were trained by him too.
The clone commandos book series talked about this. The time for Jedi to become competent commanders was long. They had no idea how to use units to their full effect at all and had no idea how to use tactics.
I'd be interested in seeing a video on the origins of the many admirals they had given how the Republic had no large scale navy before the war and suddenly we're seeing experienced admirals like Yularen and that captain Boba captured. Tarkin's the only naval officer I really know the origin of. I'd also be interested in seeing how the Republic Moffs started up since the title was used by the Empire back in the day.
During the Old Republic Jedi clearly had a superior rank within the military of the Republic where they could lead entire armies in campaigns, but there also separation as well between them and other military officers work better as co-commanders or even as junior commanders for the Jedi under non-force user if their experience outweigh the Jedi. Palpatine on purpose created a situation that the Jedi were in the highest in command so that every failure and death could be blame on them, and corrupt the image of the Jedi as warmongers rather than the peacekeepers they once were.
What made no sense to me is how Ahsoka, a teenager was allowed to have control of clones on a combat mission that end up in the deaths of many clones. You can't let a 13-14 year old have command of soldiers and expect them to obey as if she was a general.
@@wordlesslfiddling You’d think Jedi would care more about sentient life than this. But I suppose it made sense since most didn’t think the clones as actual people.
lol Clones are all 9 years old when deployed, that 14 year old has 5 years more experience than they do. Remember that clones age twice as fast, they're all half as old as they look. It isn't a matter of age, but of training. Clones were trained in tactics and strategy from the moment they were made, while Jedi were trained primarily as diplomats and cops for about as long. They sent the local SWAT Team to go tell Westpoint graduates what to do, and they only got away with it because the Clones were genetically engineered to be obedient. That and child soldiers don't ask the same questions volunteer armies do. And remember this whole situation was a plot to cull the Jedi, breeding resentment for Jedi among the clones was part of The Plan.
@@TankredEndures Yeah but they’ve been trained from birth for combat. Padawans might be trained to fight with a lightsaber but that doesn’t mean they should be leading troops into combat. Especially a teen with hormones that is reckless.
Rahm was a rare case of a Jedi General actually having prior extensive military experience, it also helped that his force was made up of people he recruited
anakin was a good general as long as he was with assigned battalion, he was too eclectic to be a good overall general until a little before he fell to the dark side
Plo was incredible due to his care for his soldiers which led him to study tactics that could keep them alive. The malevolance's devastating assault helped get him to realize how dangerous this war really was.
@@blazingshadow2669 true, this its why its mostly the 501st legion & Obi-wan/Commander Cody 212th Battalions that can follow up & fight beside Anakin hyber-aggressive yet calculated & creative strategy. For others Clone forces its has to be operation combined mutiple groups or he's working with the Jedi General in charge, fought alongside them but splitted out to do his own plan in the mission.
Too bad those few were actually the outliers & exceptions instead of the norm, & only a small fraction of them existed, until Jedis died in droves later & whoever among them survived who weren't all that much of a command material realized that they needed to learn quick & shape up.
"even though many Jedi generals were mediocre tacticians at best" *shows a picture of General Kenobi* Yo that's just doing him dirty. (yes I know it was probably an accident)
The Republic: We’re going to make Jedi knights and masters the generals of our army The galaxy: ok… that’s not too ba- The Republic: And the padawans will be commanders The galaxy: …
Imagine a buddhist monk leading American infantry and armoured divisions against Germany in WW2. Yeah, it flies in the face of all logic. The Jedi didn't study such warfare, tactics etc. Qui-Gon even flat out told Padmé in Episode 1: "we are not soldiers". They are essentially monks who by the way have sabres to protect themselves and others around them. They are not Ulysses Grant or Patton etc. It was an asinine idea for them to take part in battles. No wonder they became blind to the emergence of the dark side and by the time they noticed it was too late.
It was intentional, it was over a thousand years since the republic and the jedi went into active war. Palpatine relied on this to blame the jedi for the war. The Jedi made a deal in the past with the republic with no foresight to see the potential problems of decay, where an organization loses its war capabilities despite being expected to be involved.
I think its also worth mentioning that the clone commanders who served under the generals had a higher rank then normally if their general was a higher ranked one. Kenobi is a good example: He lead a systems army, thus making cody 2nd in command of not just the 7th sky corps, but also leader of a huge number of other units including the 501st. Codys rank Was the highest a clone could get: Marshall commander. But He had more Power then "normal" Marshall commanders who just Controller a corps. So that means that high ranked clone officers' Power depended on their jedi generals Power. Confusing shit, because if cody would have served under someone else He would just have a corps because of his rank. But having a high general gives him more authority too
I recently rewatched the episode of The Clone Wars where Obiwan and Satine have a bit of banter about what the role for Jedi “peace-keepers” should be. It is clear that everything about the Clone Wars was geared by Palpatine to make the Jedi vulnerable to the ultimate Sith take-over.
During the clone wars, I think it would have made more sense for the Jedi to serve under Republic commanders instead of being deputized as actual generals
I would go further as to say they should have been made a special operations unit. Made to go in during difficult and highly dangerous assignments during campaigns such as Umbara, Geonosis, and Fulucia. Security Forces would make up the bulk of the “common” infantry that would accompany the Jedi during assignments and clones should they wish to would have the option to join. As for command I’d say the Jedi could’ve had complete authority in their own operations whilst having close to equal authority in other operations outside of their chain of command. Equal authority in that they would be addressed by their rank and respected, not so much so having higher commanding authority than the equivalent rank of other branches. If anything they have authority as an advisor when it comes to other branch’s chain of command.
@@garrisonjones1827 that I think was the whole point with integrating the Jedi this way that geetsly explained it, this way the Jedi where surrendered by the maximum amount of clones with the least amount of other Jedi to help defend themself
The entire thing of the Republic Dark Age really makes me love the idea of the High Republic in canon. It essentially allows for things from legends/old EU to exist, but with a lot of the things that would confirm them being lost due to that time frame
@Kristopher Prime if you bothered to read my comment, I specified that I was speaking about the Republic Dark Age. There's no mention of "Old Republic" there save for explaining how everything can fit together due to stuff getting lost during that timeframe
In the old wars the jedi were reluctant to fight for the republic and during the clone wars they jumped straight into the action. If the jedi weren't already trapped they could have taken a step back and analyzed the clone wars and it's true purpose maybe.
I feel like if Qui-Gon "we are not soldiers" Jinn was still alive he would have been vehemently against the Jedi fighting in this war and over time he would have been proven right. All they should have been doing was finding and indentifying the dark side figure that's pulling the strings in the background. Capture him and the war is over.
Even the order was different in different periods of time. the order went from something of a monastic order of warrior monks, to a militant order of superpowered warrior monks acting in the capacity of a militia, then increasingly becoming a weird institution of demigod lords that quite practically ruled the galaxy, before being absorbed completely into the republic as a branch of its armed forces. for much of the Jedi Order's history, they were mostly an independent institution working closely to the republic, then almost becoming the republic itself, before becoming entirely subordinate to the republic. during the times when the Jedi Order was independent, they can do their own shit & didn't have to actually answer to anyone but themselves, more so when the order was actually the republic. then came the time we knew so well that the order no longer had such independence, which meant that like it or not, the Jedi just had to do whatever the fuck the republic government told them to.
Republic,"Hey Jedi we need you guys to protect are croupted sen..I mean protect us from the Sith". Jedi," Nah we're good. We're going to back to Tython to focus on our study of the force". Republic," Wait don't go we can get you anything you want". Jedi, "...Aymting...Give us a Gaint Temple that is possbilty not connect to the dark side on coruscant. Then we have a deal". Republic,"Deal"
In real life I should mention it’s not entirely odd to have a General lead a “Task Force”. It depends on the tasks involved, and generally speaking, an Army General will allow a Naval Admiral to operate with pretty vast autonomy. Because whilst the General is “in charge”, if they’re competent they know they know NOTHING about commanding a fleet, and vice versa. Unlike Star Wars, real militaries are very much aware of their roles as completing objectives for the STATE rather than a group or idea. So an objective is to be completed by whatever forces necessary. A General does the actual taking of the objective and the Admiral handles supply, landing, and reinforcing. This is a VERY simple look at it (yes I know I explained virtually nothing.) but the short and simple is “a person in charge of ANY major operation will be in charge of everyone, regardless of rank or branch.” Technically it’s possible to have an Air Force Brigadier General in charge of a Marine Task force ABOVE a Marine General. But of course you would never see that because the Air Force has no experience invading, so unless the force is ONLY doing something like Disaster Recovery, it wouldn’t make any logical sense and wouldn’t really work. Hope this at least kind of explained the real world parallels and feel free to correct me or ask questions if you know anything more. Like I said my explanation is dirty and VERY simple.
I want to know more about the Moffs. What exactly are they? For a while I thought it was simply another name for the planetary governors, but they seem to be a bit more. Perhaps sector governors? If so, what then is a Grand Moff? There was Tarkin, who was pretty much in charge of the entire Imperial military, which would make him incapable of also being a governor (though I seem to remember Leia calling him governor in A New Hope). And then in the X-Wing novels, when Isard hands over control of Imperial forces on Coruscant to Kirtan Loor, he says that she is effectually making him Grand Moff of the planet. So it all seems wildly inconsistent.
Prior to the Clone War, most planets/systems had a regional Governor/Duke/King and Galactic Senator. In many cases the Senator was the ruling person, because their local government sent their head as their representative in the Senate, but that wasn't always the case. During the war, as local civil wars and Republic "liberations" of Separatist worlds. Many governments were toppled and replaced. Individual worlds gained a Governor, that usually kept power if they were loyal during the change to the Empire. When Palpatine changed the organization to Sectors. There were appointed Moffs over the Sectors. Later the entire Outer Rim was lumped into an Over Sector and given to the new Grand Moff Tarkin. I don't actually know what other Over Sectors were created, but we know it happened. Because rebels were using the Sector system to dance around Imperial investigations.
"We are keepers of peace, not soldiers" - Mace Windu "War doesn't make someone great" - Master Yoda Jedi should be space monks loyal only to the light side of the Force, not generals loyal to a corrupt senate.
I'm going to say this right now. I believe if the Jedi did not fight in the Clone Wars and led the Clones. The Republic would have lost the war. if not, it would have been much harder for the Clones and the Republic to gain more ground throughout the galaxy in the war at least in my opinion I could be wrong!
I don't Clone showed that they could led and win against CIS forces without the Jedi. While they were a boon to the republic. I find that they threw a lot of troopers away simple due to their inexperience. Clones while not battle tested were trained by the best mercenaries, bounty hunters, and military leaders of the time. They had more time to prepare and did live fire training with training rounds/droids the same model as the CIS ones so while it is not real combat every trooper knew exactly what they were up againist.
There wouldn't have been a clone war if the Jedi ain't involved. Palps engineered the whole thing from day one specifically to mess with the Jedi first & foremost. the Jedi's participation as high-ranking military commanders had been an ABSOLUTE condition to get the entire show running. Messed-up machinations right from the start aside, it became clear very early in the war that the CIS droid army is superior in just about every damn way compared to the GAR. if Palps hadn't been throwing wrenches after wrenches into the CIS' side to make sure that they don't get too powerful, if they were to actually be allowed to fight in earnest, the Jedi Order could have been twice as huge & three times as powerful, & the republic would STILL lose the war in the end.
When you’ve spent years to get your position as an officer in the GAR and are immediately subordinate to some kid that’s a Padawan with no military skills or experience.
My best guess is that Jedi Commanders have around the authority of an army colonel while Jedi Generals are separated into the 4 different grades of General. Unfortunately, the Republic rank structure in general is horribly confusing and not particularly fleshed out (especially the Navy rank structure).
I think they should have let the navy and army lead them selves. Unless an individual Jedi showed promise in military strategy. They should have used them as shock troops.
Moffs weren't created until after the Clone Wars bro. Also, It's entirely possible for generals to give orders to an admiral. It all depends on who is in operational control of the theater or operation.
Like everyones listened to peel as if he was the general, adi galliaa for some reason was always 2nd on rank with kenobi i always wondered why then ki an du mundi was always higher up or treated as a general rather than anakin or obi
Always found it a little disappointing. Clones were breed to win the war . They were taught almost every battle tactic and independent thinking creating new tactics . Being bred to win a war . And control armies and have ranking systems . And then have a Jedi with no battle experience just become in charge seems dumb on the ranking part . Maybe as advisors with the commandors being in charge of ground forces and then admirals of course being admirels . And the general rank just being done away with . Or giving them to certain admirels or clones
It would’ve been interesting to see the Jedi during the Clone Wars operate as a special operations unit/branch. In that branch they’d have complete authority on their own operations and have close to equal if not equal authority in other branches when it comes to being advisors. Security Forces would be chosen from the Temple to become part of their separate infantry and perhaps citizens who wish to join the war could enlist in this special operations unit provided with the proper amount of training. If it were not for Palpatine I would say that the Jedi could choose whether or not to allow Clones to join as part of the special unit. If anything the Jedi could enlist Commandos and perhaps ARCs if the possibility of keeping clones out was nonexistent. As for missions they’d be sent during highly dangerous and very difficult assignments during strenuous campaigns. Some examples would include Geonosis, Umbara, and Fulucia.
Really made no sense to have a Padawan, a learner, to outrank a born and raised Clone Commander, or really ANY clone bred for leadership duties. A Padawan being brought along with their Master into battle should defer to both their Master first AND their clone liaison second.
I always these type of detail video about until levels/size and other unique details but as someone with ADHD Its hard to visualize all the numbers and names and keep track of everything without a Visual aid Such as small image of each size and until about and whatever information as you are explaining it , it would help lots for other views like me to keep track of all the information haha and (not have to write it down ) 😅 Other then that thanks for a great video
How were the Moffs of the Star Wars galaxy selected? Did the Chancellor Hans pick them or were they elected by the respective governments? And if they were elected, how did the election process work? Did it function like our own elections?
To be fair the Jedi aren't a terrible choice for commanders and generals they were generally well educated in a variety of subjects including tactics and strategy of course not all studied those subjects but those who did were excellent leaders on the battlefield.
The Jedi should not had been in the position that they were if the clone wars was actually for real The Jedi would had suited being medics or negotiators better, or at most special forces who do stuff behind the lines, but that's only for a very few
The clone wars never had any threat for me or high stakes not like The Great Sith War in The Old Republic where people killed people and either side had good and bad people . The Sith were right but for the wrong reasons and the Jedi were wrong but for the right reasons. Darth Viciate was right to create the Eternal Empire to see if it is true if warrior balanced in the force Light and Dark was better than Sith and Jedi and he was right...they were unstoppable and called their use of the force (Justice) not light or dark. So the clone wars was just a bunch of stupid robots and clones...the stakes are too weak for me.
I just love the armchair gravy team six commanding admirals crying about “The real world” well here’s the thing, this is not reality. Just suspend your criticism and enjoy the show.
Ahsoka: So if you're a Captain and I'm a Jedi then technically I outrank you.
Rex: In my book, experience out ranks everything.
Great line for a great man
@@kingorange7739 Agreed.
Considering ahsoka is 14 she doesn't outrank anyone, what kind of worth of death lunatic thinks children should be allowed in battle? If that's the standard of the jedi order order 66 was a great event
A General giving orders to an Admiral always confused me. They're basically the same rank.
General Grievous was Supreme Commander of The Droid Army though. So he'd have been over all the other generals and admirals.
A General is a commander in the army. An Admiral is a commander in the navy. Not only are they the sams rank, but it's also out of jurisdiction, unless an officer of superior rank and with overall command (like the commander of an entire front or region or one of his subordinates) makes that command.
I feel like the concept of a Joint Command would blow all your minds.
@@amgclark this is in my top 10 comments ngl
A Jedi General outranks a regular General and Admirals.
I feel like the clone commanders who were personally trained by Jango would have far greater knowledge of battle tactics and leadership skills than any Jedi general. Not to say some Jedi weren’t great leaders like Anakin for example but most Jedi had little experience compared to those clone commanders.
Aniken was not a good tactician. He was a fucking dumbass who use Napoleonic tactics of throw men at a problem until it dies.
@@sp4391 Your thinking of Krell, Anakin actually admired and respected his soldiers. Now was it Anakin’s fault that his legion (501st) saw the most action in the war compared to other legions? Think about it, Anakin and the 501st took part in many of the major conflicts during the clone wars and using common sense we know that in war and in brutal battles of war you will lose men. Normandy and the storming of the beach, are you saying that the Eisenhower was a dumbass when that was literally the only strategy he had, throwing his men into the meat grinder? Same goes for Anakin, at least he spearheaded most if not all of the conflicts his legion was apart of. Many of the Jedi generals did not fight in the front lines like Anakin did or lead his men in the front.
I feel like they would be equally incompetent. Jango was bounty hunter not a soldier or officer. Mandalorians are great teachers for commandos
@@orestmarkheva7325 He was a soldier during the mandalorian civil war, and he had experience leading men in the war. He was young when his parents died from the death watch and he was rescued by another mandalorian clan that was fighting them. He quickly climbed the ranks being one of the leaders and after he was the sole survivor of the clan he went into bounty hunting. So he had plenty of experience to train soldiers but I agree he was far better training the elite clone force units like commandos but some commanders like Cody were trained by him too.
The clone commandos book series talked about this. The time for Jedi to become competent commanders was long. They had no idea how to use units to their full effect at all and had no idea how to use tactics.
I'd be interested in seeing a video on the origins of the many admirals they had given how the Republic had no large scale navy before the war and suddenly we're seeing experienced admirals like Yularen and that captain Boba captured. Tarkin's the only naval officer I really know the origin of.
I'd also be interested in seeing how the Republic Moffs started up since the title was used by the Empire back in the day.
During the Old Republic Jedi clearly had a superior rank within the military of the Republic where they could lead entire armies in campaigns, but there also separation as well between them and other military officers work better as co-commanders or even as junior commanders for the Jedi under non-force user if their experience outweigh the Jedi. Palpatine on purpose created a situation that the Jedi were in the highest in command so that every failure and death could be blame on them, and corrupt the image of the Jedi as warmongers rather than the peacekeepers they once were.
What made no sense to me is how Ahsoka, a teenager was allowed to have control of clones on a combat mission that end up in the deaths of many clones. You can't let a 13-14 year old have command of soldiers and expect them to obey as if she was a general.
Well when your soldiers are programmed to follow every order and are 10 I think you can get away with it
i think its cus jedi brain is bigger and better
@@wordlesslfiddling You’d think Jedi would care more about sentient life than this. But I suppose it made sense since most didn’t think the clones as actual people.
lol Clones are all 9 years old when deployed, that 14 year old has 5 years more experience than they do. Remember that clones age twice as fast, they're all half as old as they look. It isn't a matter of age, but of training. Clones were trained in tactics and strategy from the moment they were made, while Jedi were trained primarily as diplomats and cops for about as long. They sent the local SWAT Team to go tell Westpoint graduates what to do, and they only got away with it because the Clones were genetically engineered to be obedient. That and child soldiers don't ask the same questions volunteer armies do. And remember this whole situation was a plot to cull the Jedi, breeding resentment for Jedi among the clones was part of The Plan.
@@TankredEndures Yeah but they’ve been trained from birth for combat. Padawans might be trained to fight with a lightsaber but that doesn’t mean they should be leading troops into combat. Especially a teen with hormones that is reckless.
Jedi at 0:02 : Come on boys! Follow me!
His troops: The General's lost it...
The one in the middle be like "this bitch is crazy"
Not to mention the two looking at each other as if to say "The simulations didn't mention THIS..."
Some were actually good at being Generals. Anakin, Quin, Plo, Kit and Rahm to name a few.
Rahm was a rare case of a Jedi General actually having prior extensive military experience, it also helped that his force was made up of people he recruited
anakin was a good general as long as he was with assigned battalion, he was too eclectic to be a good overall general until a little before he fell to the dark side
Plo was incredible due to his care for his soldiers which led him to study tactics that could keep them alive. The malevolance's devastating assault helped get him to realize how dangerous this war really was.
@@blazingshadow2669 true, this its why its mostly the 501st legion & Obi-wan/Commander Cody 212th Battalions that can follow up & fight beside Anakin hyber-aggressive yet calculated & creative strategy. For others Clone forces its has to be operation combined mutiple groups or he's working with the Jedi General in charge, fought alongside them but splitted out to do his own plan in the mission.
Too bad those few were actually the outliers & exceptions instead of the norm, & only a small fraction of them existed, until Jedis died in droves later & whoever among them survived who weren't all that much of a command material realized that they needed to learn quick & shape up.
"even though many Jedi generals were mediocre tacticians at best" *shows a picture of General Kenobi*
Yo that's just doing him dirty.
(yes I know it was probably an accident)
Making Padawans Generals sure is always going to be a heavily debated point.
Commanders not Generals, but agreed
The Republic: We’re going to make Jedi knights and masters the generals of our army
The galaxy: ok… that’s not too ba-
The Republic: And the padawans will be commanders
The galaxy: …
It's plain stupid
@@steelrexer1062 GAR (Grand Army of the Republic): are f***ing serious?
@@dreademperor2094 Havoc Squad: *this sounds familiar*
Imagine a buddhist monk leading American infantry and armoured divisions against Germany in WW2. Yeah, it flies in the face of all logic.
The Jedi didn't study such warfare, tactics etc. Qui-Gon even flat out told Padmé in Episode 1: "we are not soldiers". They are essentially monks who by the way have sabres to protect themselves and others around them. They are not Ulysses Grant or Patton etc. It was an asinine idea for them to take part in battles. No wonder they became blind to the emergence of the dark side and by the time they noticed it was too late.
It was intentional, it was over a thousand years since the republic and the jedi went into active war. Palpatine relied on this to blame the jedi for the war. The Jedi made a deal in the past with the republic with no foresight to see the potential problems of decay, where an organization loses its war capabilities despite being expected to be involved.
I think its also worth mentioning that the clone commanders who served under the generals had a higher rank then normally if their general was a higher ranked one. Kenobi is a good example: He lead a systems army, thus making cody 2nd in command of not just the 7th sky corps, but also leader of a huge number of other units including the 501st. Codys rank Was the highest a clone could get: Marshall commander. But He had more Power then "normal" Marshall commanders who just Controller a corps. So that means that high ranked clone officers' Power depended on their jedi generals Power. Confusing shit, because if cody would have served under someone else He would just have a corps because of his rank. But having a high general gives him more authority too
I recently rewatched the episode of The Clone Wars where Obiwan and Satine have a bit of banter about what the role for Jedi “peace-keepers” should be. It is clear that everything about the Clone Wars was geared by Palpatine to make the Jedi vulnerable to the ultimate Sith take-over.
During the clone wars, I think it would have made more sense for the Jedi to serve under Republic commanders instead of being deputized as actual generals
I'm not sure they would have agreed to that since I believe the jedi tried to maintain some distance from the republic military hierarchy
I would go further as to say they should have been made a special operations unit.
Made to go in during difficult and highly dangerous assignments during campaigns such as Umbara, Geonosis, and Fulucia.
Security Forces would make up the bulk of the “common” infantry that would accompany the Jedi during assignments and clones should they wish to would have the option to join.
As for command I’d say the Jedi could’ve had complete authority in their own operations whilst having close to equal authority in other operations outside of their chain of command. Equal authority in that they would be addressed by their rank and respected, not so much so having higher commanding authority than the equivalent rank of other branches. If anything they have authority as an advisor when it comes to other branch’s chain of command.
@@liamhamilton9086 I like that idea. On that note, Would it make Order 66 not as effective as it was in the movie/show?
@@garrisonjones1827 that I think was the whole point with integrating the Jedi this way that geetsly explained it, this way the Jedi where surrendered by the maximum amount of clones with the least amount of other Jedi to help defend themself
The entire thing of the Republic Dark Age really makes me love the idea of the High Republic in canon. It essentially allows for things from legends/old EU to exist, but with a lot of the things that would confirm them being lost due to that time frame
@Kristopher Prime if you bothered to read my comment, I specified that I was speaking about the Republic Dark Age. There's no mention of "Old Republic" there save for explaining how everything can fit together due to stuff getting lost during that timeframe
In the old wars the jedi were reluctant to fight for the republic and during the clone wars they jumped straight into the action.
If the jedi weren't already trapped they could have taken a step back and analyzed the clone wars and it's true purpose maybe.
I feel like if Qui-Gon "we are not soldiers" Jinn was still alive he would have been vehemently against the Jedi fighting in this war and over time he would have been proven right. All they should have been doing was finding and indentifying the dark side figure that's pulling the strings in the background. Capture him and the war is over.
@@manwiththeredface7821 qui-gon was palpatine's biggest problem.
Even the order was different in different periods of time. the order went from something of a monastic order of warrior monks, to a militant order of superpowered warrior monks acting in the capacity of a militia, then increasingly becoming a weird institution of demigod lords that quite practically ruled the galaxy, before being absorbed completely into the republic as a branch of its armed forces. for much of the Jedi Order's history, they were mostly an independent institution working closely to the republic, then almost becoming the republic itself, before becoming entirely subordinate to the republic. during the times when the Jedi Order was independent, they can do their own shit & didn't have to actually answer to anyone but themselves, more so when the order was actually the republic. then came the time we knew so well that the order no longer had such independence, which meant that like it or not, the Jedi just had to do whatever the fuck the republic government told them to.
@@FalconWindblader sums it up nicely.
So much star wars lore on this channel love it
I’d love to know how Moffs worked in republic times because there’s plenty about it during the empire times
I cried during the Order 66 scene where Jedi Master Male_07 said "Sometimes I dream about cheese." and was then shot to death 😭
"In my book. Experience outranks everything." - Captain Rex
The dude from Half-Life in the Obi-Wan Kenobi clone wars armor will never not be perfect
Hey Geetsly's, you've been making awesome videos, keep on going!
9:12 "The jedi answered to the senate"
*cuts to picture of Palpatine*
So you agree. He is the senate.
Republic,"Hey Jedi we need you guys to protect are croupted sen..I mean protect us from the Sith".
Jedi," Nah we're good. We're going to back to Tython to focus on our study of the force".
Republic," Wait don't go we can get you anything you want".
Jedi, "...Aymting...Give us a Gaint Temple that is possbilty not connect to the dark side on coruscant. Then we have a deal".
Republic,"Deal"
In real life I should mention it’s not entirely odd to have a General lead a “Task Force”. It depends on the tasks involved, and generally speaking, an Army General will allow a Naval Admiral to operate with pretty vast autonomy. Because whilst the General is “in charge”, if they’re competent they know they know NOTHING about commanding a fleet, and vice versa. Unlike Star Wars, real militaries are very much aware of their roles as completing objectives for the STATE rather than a group or idea. So an objective is to be completed by whatever forces necessary. A General does the actual taking of the objective and the Admiral handles supply, landing, and reinforcing. This is a VERY simple look at it (yes I know I explained virtually nothing.) but the short and simple is “a person in charge of ANY major operation will be in charge of everyone, regardless of rank or branch.” Technically it’s possible to have an Air Force Brigadier General in charge of a Marine Task force ABOVE a Marine General. But of course you would never see that because the Air Force has no experience invading, so unless the force is ONLY doing something like Disaster Recovery, it wouldn’t make any logical sense and wouldn’t really work. Hope this at least kind of explained the real world parallels and feel free to correct me or ask questions if you know anything more. Like I said my explanation is dirty and VERY simple.
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If Palpatine is the Senate and also the Supreme Commander, should he be called the Supreme Senate?
Dew it.
0:07 those two clonetroopers in the right side basically regret being assigned to this Jedi
So in other words Palpatine was the “Supreme High General Commander” lol…
Couldn’t help but notice Jedi master Mal-O’ Sevan in the thumbnail.
I want to know more about the Moffs. What exactly are they? For a while I thought it was simply another name for the planetary governors, but they seem to be a bit more. Perhaps sector governors? If so, what then is a Grand Moff? There was Tarkin, who was pretty much in charge of the entire Imperial military, which would make him incapable of also being a governor (though I seem to remember Leia calling him governor in A New Hope). And then in the X-Wing novels, when Isard hands over control of Imperial forces on Coruscant to Kirtan Loor, he says that she is effectually making him Grand Moff of the planet. So it all seems wildly inconsistent.
Prior to the Clone War, most planets/systems had a regional Governor/Duke/King and Galactic Senator. In many cases the Senator was the ruling person, because their local government sent their head as their representative in the Senate, but that wasn't always the case. During the war, as local civil wars and Republic "liberations" of Separatist worlds. Many governments were toppled and replaced. Individual worlds gained a Governor, that usually kept power if they were loyal during the change to the Empire. When Palpatine changed the organization to Sectors. There were appointed Moffs over the Sectors. Later the entire Outer Rim was lumped into an Over Sector and given to the new Grand Moff Tarkin. I don't actually know what other Over Sectors were created, but we know it happened. Because rebels were using the Sector system to dance around Imperial investigations.
"We are keepers of peace, not soldiers"
- Mace Windu
"War doesn't make someone great"
- Master Yoda
Jedi should be space monks loyal only to the light side of the Force, not generals loyal to a corrupt senate.
Anakin: I think he's a jedi lord
Sith windu: a jedi lord?!
I'm going to say this right now. I believe if the Jedi did not fight in the Clone Wars and led the Clones. The Republic would have lost the war. if not, it would have been much harder for the Clones and the Republic to gain more ground throughout the galaxy in the war at least in my opinion I could be wrong!
I'm pretty sure, that if the jedi didn't fight in the clone wars, that there would be no clone wars
The war was manipulated from day one. The only winner was Darth Sidious and it ended the way he wanted it to.
I don't Clone showed that they could led and win against CIS forces without the Jedi. While they were a boon to the republic. I find that they threw a lot of troopers away simple due to their inexperience. Clones while not battle tested were trained by the best mercenaries, bounty hunters, and military leaders of the time. They had more time to prepare and did live fire training with training rounds/droids the same model as the CIS ones so while it is not real combat every trooper knew exactly what they were up againist.
There wouldn't have been a clone war if the Jedi ain't involved. Palps engineered the whole thing from day one specifically to mess with the Jedi first & foremost. the Jedi's participation as high-ranking military commanders had been an ABSOLUTE condition to get the entire show running.
Messed-up machinations right from the start aside, it became clear very early in the war that the CIS droid army is superior in just about every damn way compared to the GAR. if Palps hadn't been throwing wrenches after wrenches into the CIS' side to make sure that they don't get too powerful, if they were to actually be allowed to fight in earnest, the Jedi Order could have been twice as huge & three times as powerful, & the republic would STILL lose the war in the end.
When you’ve spent years to get your position as an officer in the GAR and are immediately subordinate to some kid that’s a Padawan with no military skills or experience.
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I would like to see a video about the ranks given to Jedi in other times
Male_04 as a Jedi is probably the weirdest yet best thing i've ever seen.
I don't see many videos or information about the grand marshal rank in GAR, where was that rank placed?
My best guess is that Jedi Commanders have around the authority of an army colonel while Jedi Generals are separated into the 4 different grades of General. Unfortunately, the Republic rank structure in general is horribly confusing and not particularly fleshed out (especially the Navy rank structure).
I think they should have let the navy and army lead them selves. Unless an individual Jedi showed promise in military strategy. They should have used them as shock troops.
Moffs weren't created until after the Clone Wars bro.
Also, It's entirely possible for generals to give orders to an admiral. It all depends on who is in operational control of the theater or operation.
Use of the Force trump's all. That's how you get an 11 year old commander on the front lines.
Like everyones listened to peel as if he was the general, adi galliaa for some reason was always 2nd on rank with kenobi i always wondered why then ki an du mundi was always higher up or treated as a general rather than anakin or obi
I always wondered how their rankings work for the jedi
Like who actually was in charge when it was kayshyk or geonosis who really was in charge or general
That sounds like how the Jedi would operate
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Which councilor had which sector army?
Always found it a little disappointing. Clones were breed to win the war . They were taught almost every battle tactic and independent thinking creating new tactics .
Being bred to win a war . And control armies and have ranking systems . And then have a Jedi with no battle experience just become in charge seems dumb on the ranking part . Maybe as advisors with the commandors being in charge of ground forces and then admirals of course being admirels . And the general rank just being done away with . Or giving them to certain admirels or clones
It would’ve been interesting to see the Jedi during the Clone Wars operate as a special operations unit/branch.
In that branch they’d have complete authority on their own operations and have close to equal if not equal authority in other branches when it comes to being advisors.
Security Forces would be chosen from the Temple to become part of their separate infantry and perhaps citizens who wish to join the war could enlist in this special operations unit provided with the proper amount of training.
If it were not for Palpatine I would say that the Jedi could choose whether or not to allow Clones to join as part of the special unit. If anything the Jedi could enlist Commandos and perhaps ARCs if the possibility of keeping clones out was nonexistent.
As for missions they’d be sent during highly dangerous and very difficult assignments during strenuous campaigns. Some examples would include Geonosis, Umbara, and Fulucia.
What species was that jedi that looks like a saytr/faun?
Also the bird woman with wings
Really made no sense to have a Padawan, a learner, to outrank a born and raised Clone Commander, or really ANY clone bred for leadership duties. A Padawan being brought along with their Master into battle should defer to both their Master first AND their clone liaison second.
Please do a video on the HawkBat battalion.
I always these type of detail video about until levels/size and other unique details but as someone with ADHD Its hard to visualize all the numbers and names and keep track of everything without a Visual aid Such as small image of each size and until about and whatever information as you are explaining it , it would help lots for other views like me to keep track of all the information haha and (not have to write it down ) 😅
Other then that thanks for a great video
what if the republic never decentralised their military would it of changed the clone wars drastically or would the clones still be created
IS THAT MALE_07 ON THE THUMBNAIL!?
With their precognition they should have been intelligence officers under a career military officer, anakin and yularen should have switched roles
Tarkin was right the Jedi are weak
How were the Moffs of the Star Wars galaxy selected? Did the Chancellor Hans pick them or were they elected by the respective governments? And if they were elected, how did the election process work? Did it function like our own elections?
In the empire, they were appointed by the emperor.
I just assumed they were officers.
DasBoSchitt is a Jedi now?
Can a jedi also be an admiral, just like they would be a general?
It would be pointless. Jedi generals outrank admirals operationally speaking. Making them admirals would actually be a demotion.
Interesting
Good video
The jedi might have been generals , but it took a Sith to be Commander in Chief .
Yep very confusing
To be fair the Jedi aren't a terrible choice for commanders and generals they were generally well educated in a variety of subjects including tactics and strategy of course not all studied those subjects but those who did were excellent leaders on the battlefield.
Male O7 in the thumbnail
Why is male_07 in the thumbnail lmfao
because they were ‘Jedi’ along with being generals, they did, in a way out rank admirals
The Jedi should not had been in the position that they were if the clone wars was actually for real
The Jedi would had suited being medics or negotiators better, or at most special forces who do stuff behind the lines, but that's only for a very few
Is that male_07 in the thumbnail????
You know what's funny? The Jedi are officially not part of the military, but when the war started they suddenly used the Sith ranking system.
The jedi served in previous wars for the Republic. And they didn't use the sith ranking system until the Empire formed.
The Senate was at the top of the Republic ranking system.
I think palpatine was commander in chief. And yoda was supreme commander.
In short not well.
The clone wars never had any threat for me or high stakes not like The Great Sith War in The Old Republic where people killed people and either side had good and bad people . The Sith were right but for the wrong reasons and the Jedi were wrong but for the right reasons.
Darth Viciate was right to create the Eternal Empire to see if it is true if warrior balanced in the force Light and Dark was better than Sith and Jedi and he was right...they were unstoppable and called their use of the force (Justice) not light or dark. So the clone wars was just a bunch of stupid robots and clones...the stakes are too weak for me.
Bruh 😂
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I just love the armchair gravy team six commanding admirals crying about “The real world” well here’s the thing, this is not reality. Just suspend your criticism and enjoy the show.
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Ah so a clone commander is a grizzled, experienced master sergeant and a Jedi commander is an inexperienced second lieutenant
if i'm correct was that male_07 model in the thumbnail?? omg male_07 joins the jedi order ( real )