Jedi: “We’re the guardians of peace and justice in the Republic.” GAR: “We’re the clones of a man who once killed 5 Jedi with his bare hands. We promise we’re on your side.”
jedi: ok, bois, we're gonna yeet forward at the droid defenses Clone Commander: Sir, there are too many defenses, we can't get past, we should use another strategy Jedi: Its treason then? Clone Commander: (visible anger) No Sir,we will use your strategy. (under breath) Can't wait for order 66
Kenobi is far wiser. Killing every political leader would prolong the rebellion. Whereas as we've seen in other SW media, sparing and using political leaders as puppets can get the rest of the rabble to stand down. Even the Sith back in SWTOR knew that: in their invasions of Corellia and Alderaan, they used local political leaders that they bribed to get as much of the planet on their side.
@@swordfish1248 yeah, when creating him they based rex off of alpha, but then changed his personality because they didn't want rex to be a complete copy of alpha, besides, they wanted to make rex a bit more friendly and nice (compared to alpha at least)
Yup, there's a difference between warriors and Soldiers. I've said it before that the Jedi would have been better used as special forces along side clone special forces. I'm sure the republic could have recruited more experienced planetary security force combat veterans as generals to lead the big Armys while the Jedi worked alongside Special Forces only. Or attached Jedi to each big unit to serve as special forces only with no command authority except for maybe leading Special operation teams.
Agreed. Jedi SpecOps make a lot of sense. Jedi ADVISERS make a lot of sense. Jedi INTELLIGENCE make a lot of sense. Jedi starfighter SQUADRON commanders make sense. But putting specialists in fighting with a three foot long sword in command of fighter wings, capital ships, and armies of soldiers with blaster rifles, drop ships, tanks, artillery, and other high powered ranged weapons makes ZERO sense.
To be fair, the Jedi were drafted to be the army generals by the Republic's outdated laws. Jedi's didn't really want that but saw it as their responsibility. If anything, it definitely was _the senates_ fault to not change those laws.
I wouldn't consider the battle of geonosis a win. They shoot one core ship down and every important member of the cis escaped. I mean they can't even hold geonosis for a year and they lost many clones that can't be replaced that easily. Yes they rescued the jedi but in a pointless Duell with dooku, Skywalker lost an arm and kenobi gets injured.
Jedi are fools if the sith or actual officers led the clone army the war would have ended in just a year or 2 not drawn out for almost 4 years. The Jedi were horrible at defending planets I mean the entire outer rim garrison was destroyed within a few months because the Jedi led the to their deaths.
@@advictoriamsshitposts8689 but the other half of their goals they couldn't archive. They didn't stop the core ships from leaving. The hole high command of the CIS escaped and they couldn't capture dooku. And they started a war.
@@advictoriamsshitposts8689 And, more importantly... they LOST the planet within the year. It was, at best, a Pyrrhic victory. A victory with considerable loses, where some of their goals were achieved, but here is the thing... the goals were the Jedi goals and were therefore in no way sustainable in a war setting. The Jedi saved those they wanted to, they managed to break up the gathering with the aid of the Clones, but all those responsible got away. And all that got away, went on into the resource rich Galaxy to muster their forces.
@@darkinnovator2479 I love that Jedi were fine with massacring the local militia, breaking to a government facility, killing bodyguards and later brought an army to stop an execution that was within the Geonosian law "yeah, CIS started the war!"
In my mind, it was the fact that the galactic senate was inefficient, the Jedi had no military experience, and that it had been forever since the Jedi had fought.
I honestly think the senate should not have been a part of military moves and there should have been a GAR senate while the republic senate managed other thing not a war. Padme literally screwed over so many victories isn’t eh war because she want to be “peaceful” which ended up killing many of her guards.
Darth Revan the Jedi has it coming and I am glad the incompetence of them was ended. The clones should have been happy because they would no longer need to die for stupid citizens who weren’t needed.
Darth Revan I mean think of this. Commander Ponds one of the most loved clone commanders by his brothers and was one of the nicest and even physiologically aides his men was killed mercilessly because of his own generals personal issue.
Someone: Oh you like the clone wars? Name every clone Geetsly’s: *Typing* Person: Wait don’t actually do th- Geetsly’s: No you asked for it this give me 10 minutes
One of the purposes of the war was to “thin out” the Jedi order just enough, so when the grand plan was utilized there wouldn’t be enough Jedi to oppose him.... A great deal of Jedi Masters were killed in the war, Mostly leaving younglings or not fully trained masters yet still knights. It truly was a win-win situation for The future emperor.
I've always wanted a scene where a Jedi fights a force user who uses blasters. When he uses he complains about using such a dishonorable weapon. His opponent responds "At least mine has a stun setting," and knocks the Jedi out.
@@Banchoking well, technically some slightsabers, if not all of them, had the ability to lower the "heat" of the blade so it wouldn't cut through something or someone, though this was mostly used for training and probably sparing
Two words. SLAVE ARMY. Grown against their will, robbed of free agency, forced to fight and executed if they didn't want to. For the Jedi you had blind obedience to a corrupt Republic that served its own interests first and the people's never. It's no wonder why the Jedi were so blinded by the Dark Side, they were literally fighting for the Sith, struck first and ignored the reasons for the war in the first place.
Flekk Bone Gnawer Yeah but the Jedi were highly incompetent and were very blind to the obvious. They went on missions not authorized and sent children in to lead their troops.
“We’re meant to be expendable” “Not to me” “Then why do you continue to allow us to be massacred en masse all the time?” “You will forget you questioned my authority.” Two days later the entire army including the General are wiped out at Salucami Edit: Clone from the after life: I told you Dead Jedi: You will not question my authority
Anakin and plo koon had to be the greatest generals of the clone wars. Compassionate, unorthodox, and always kicked ass. Kenobi was pretty good as well, but I always thought of him more as a jedi politician than a general.
I'm an army veteran and it hurts my little tactical heart every time I see the tactics used in the clone wars. If I wasn't such a big star wars fan, it would have been unbareable to watch. It's reminiscent of WW1 tactics, and the disregard for the common soldier's life certainly fits the bill.
@@goldenbrigain7031 unfortunately they weren't used for such things. Their philosophy and beliefs shouldn't stand in their way like they did in star wars timeline.
I think some of the best Jedi to be under the command of would be Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Plo Koon. They had decent tactics and genuinely cared about their men so they wouldn't put there troops' lives in danger needlessly, unlike a certain four-armed bastard of a Jedi who will not be named right now. In fact, a recent comic series(Clone Wars Battle Tales) delves into why the Clone forces under these three Jedi respected and trusted them so much and it's basically all the same reasons: They never leave a man behind and the Clones aren't expendable to them. And here are the examples from the comics: 1.) Anakin stayed behind to let his Clones escape while he distracted a monster that would have killed him had Rex not come back to help, telling Anakin the same thing he told him and the Clones earlier, "Never leave a man behind." 2.) Plo Koon told Wolffee and the boys their mission went well, while the Separatist forces escaped, all the innocent civilians and the Clones made it back alive, which is the most important thing. 3.) Obi-Wan sent Cody, Boil, Waxxer, and his team on a mission to save some capture Clones, despite not having full approval from the Senate yet and ignoring the more political side of the war, to save the lives of the troops he valued and later told, "You Clones will never be fodder, not on my watch. The Jedi, Clones, Senators, our allies--all of us. We're in this together. And I will fight for each and every one of us in equal measure, now and until the very last day of this war."
Don't forget Quinlan Vos. A Jedi so arrogant and short-sighted, his mistreatment of his clones literally turned them into stone cold killers before and during the time Order 66 came.
@@flipkiller8521 Actually, those Clones weren't Quinlan's unit, they were Oppo Rancisis Clones who got assigned to Quinlan after Oppo was killed during the Siege of Saleucami, and one of those Clones was Faie, who was always a jerk and a stone cold killer regardless of the Jedi he was under, especially evident given how compationet Oppo was.
Jedi: we need to be within whacking distance of the enemy so I can spank them with my laser sword. Clone: Sir, the rest of us are equipped with ranged weaponry. Jedi: how uncivilized... Now come along meat shields!
The thing is, there actually is a strategy to this. We see Anakin and Ahsoka essentially turn themselves into shields to stand between their men and droids. But we also see numerous times where this strategy breaks down
“To be fair, nobody, neither the Jedi nor my clone brothers were ready for that war. I would agree that our relationship was very odd. No one would like to admit it, but we were in a sense, slave child soldiers. This bothered my general. Regardless of this, that war would’ve been better if The Jedi were better integrated into our ranks, as they are skilled monks and fighters, and saved individual lives plenty of times.” CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, former Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
They were both essentially slaves to the Republic. The Jedi were regarded a bit higher but still slaves in every sense. Aside from a few volunteer officers like Yularen, it was the Jedi and the Clones who bled heavily during the clone waars.
@Shayan Which is certainly part of the tragedy. The Jedi probably believed that after the war was over, the clone would be given more rights and freedoms. Thus, the war would be sort of justified and not a waste.
@@avatarspirit57 Technically the Jedi became slaves in the sense that they were too submissive towards the republican interests, but they weren't slaves in the literal sense of the word. They joined to the Old Republic 25.000 years BBY by pure own decision, not because the Republic put a gun towards their heads. The case of the Clone Troopers, sadly is different, because they didn't had a choice from the beginning. They had or had to fight for the Republic against the Seps, not mattering if they liked it or not.
I think the fact that the entire outer rim garrison was wiped out that’s like 100,000+ clones that the Jedi got killed because of their sucky defenses.
Oh, they work great together on the battlefield! But that's only half of it. In fact, Krell is a good example of this: it was well known that he had a high casualty rate. It was well known that he didn't like clones. It was so well known that Anakin felt the need to personally vouch for Rex before he basically handed him over to someone he knew wouldn't value him as a person and military personnel. Why was Krell allowed to continue important missions if all of this was well known?
I think he meant that the Jedi actual fighting tactics didn't work well. They have clones standing in the open and charging a lot. Which is fine if you have a lightsaber, but sucked for the clones.
Geetsly, here's a good suggestion, What if the Mandalorians were General's instead of the Jedi during the Clone Wars? What would the impact be for the Clones throughout the war?
Due to Jedi tactical oversights and screw ups around 5,000 out of the original 10,000 republic commandos were killed. 50% in just one battle by the end of the war only handful of additional commandos had died.
Just want to get this out of the way, the way you read Tarkin's note makes me think you should voice a Imperial officer. With that out of the way, I feel like most Jedi were more fit as frontline soldiers as opposed to generals. Not only because most of them preferred to charge head on into battle, but also because their choice in weaponry would be more fit on the frontlines. The First Battle of Geonosis was a miracle for The Republic, who were lucky that it didn't turn out to be like the real world battle of Gallipoli. (Basically, the WW1 D-Day that failed.)
yeah, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Tarkin here, the Jedi (or at least most of them), definitely shouldn't have been leading armies.
The Jedi also were hypocritical in their belief when it came to the Grievous’s people, as his people were placed in the wrong when they retaliated against and nearly wiped out an alien race that was literally feeding on them as if they were livestock. He is seen as a hero and god by his people for his actions against both the race that they fought against, and the Jedi that defended that race.
*What if the Jedi had to take orders from the Clone Commanders? Like when that scene with Mace meets his first clone commander telling him "Sir, I have five special commando units awaiting your orders sir." instead of that he said to Mace "Sir, your are assigned to Commando unit Gamma-27, report to your commanding officer RC-7221 immediately." The look on Mace's face when he is told he needs to follow orders that are not his own or the Jedi's.*
Basically Jedi= Early ww1 commanders. Clones= French, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, Russian, Italian, German and British soldiers I excluded some countries like Bulgaria, Romanian and Belgium because I do not know much about them.
Commander Ponds:" Master Windu we have a whole ass battalion at your disposal." Mace:" dayymnn alright. Lets waste those droids and that bigass spider. " Clone:" This is where the f...."(RIP CLONE)
The jedi should have been elite soldiers and advisors (highest rank should be captain). Instead of generals, they would be like the arc troopers who went in like commandos
Agreed. The Jedi are more useful as SpecOps rather than generals. Then again, it was also a question as to how many non-clone officers the Republic did have that could and are willing to take command in the GAR?
@@LAV-III They still lack the numbers to actually be frontliners. I was thinking more like cloak-and-dagger type like commandos. A special Jedi Corps involved in specops missions could've gone well for the GAR. I actually wondered why nobody in the GAR actually thought of that.
“Commander Fox, Execute Order 65. Evidence has come up that the Chancellor is leading both sides of this debacle of a conflict.” (Good soldiers follow orders) “Understood Admiral. Alright men, the Chancellor is a traitor and we need to go capture or kill that sleemo!” “Sir yes sir!” Cue the Corusant Guard, the Jedi, and any other units on planet going for The Senate assuming the actual Senate doesn’t not do something for once.
I personally feel like the Jedi that showed they where devoted enough to victory like Anakin, & Kerll (before they found out he was a traitor) should have been made special agents like Commandos, or ARC troopers. There’s a difference between Warriors & Soldiers.
Nothing like putting an order of monks who have had minimal military expierence in the last millenia in charge of an army of expensive well trained warriors whose strengths are the exact opposite of the space wizards who use swords.
It honestly makes me feel disdain and sadness to watch the Clone Wars for this reason. Because they do a good job portraying this exact issue, but they make you feel connected to each individual clone. I don't want to watch a unit of a army of basically people I care about to follow getting slaughtered en masse knowing that they understand their situation but they were stuck there like pigs for slaughter by their creators. Just leaves a sick feeling in my stomach when I see Jedi and Clones fighting together. And it shows even more the deviousness of Palpatine machinations and the suffering they brought.
If I was in charge of the GAR and was trying to win the war, no Palpatine involvement or anything, I’d have used the Jedi as a sort of elite shock trooper, used to break enemy lines in lightning assaults, or as infiltrators to sabotage key facilities.
So remember the Jedi said “we’re keepers of the peace,not soldiers.” What they didn’t say was “we’re keepers of the peace, not soldiers or generals.” They mainly acted as generals in the clone wars. I’m just trying to say that they didn’t lie when they said that their not soldiers.
I mean, most of the Jedi had about five minutes to process the fact that they were now Generals of an army they didn't know existed and had to lead men into battle...I doubt any of us would have done any better. But after that first day whoever didn't make an effort to analyze their decisions and make corrections, yeah, it's on them from that point on.
What if clone tactics had been used on Geonosis? Would that have changed the war? Also, in defense of the Jedi...it’s the only way they knew how to fight, having been abducted and taught that way since infancy.
Didn't the republic only win because of the shutdown command? The conflict only lasted as long as sidious needed to recruit Anakin, and swing the public mood enough to create his empire.
Dooku, Grievous, and the Separatist Council were dead, although the Separatist Senate still existed and there were still many Generals and Admirals, the fact was that the Confederacy had lost its ability to continue the war effectively
Now, I have no intention of defending Windu here, but... That ludicrous speech at Anaxes was a brilliant distraction. Any good soldier (or person with some common sense) would have taken that chance to get into cover, but the clones just stood there. This one is on them (or on Dave Filoni for that unimaginably silly scene, I guess, but let's not tear down the fourth wall).
While I'm not familiar with the exact tactics in the days of Satele Shan, Jace Malcom, and Darth Malgus, I am sure of this: Jedi authority was respected, but not because of an official rank. While some Jedi attained high military ranks, it was the ones who'd earned it that did; they weren't giving military authority to every Jedi master, knight, and padawan. I believe that if the lessons of the Great Galactic War were heeded, despite being over three and a half millennia before the Clone Wars, it would have been a very different war. At the same time: yeah, Palpatine knew what would happen when he did that.
The best way? Just take the jedi away from leadership positions and use them as special infiltrating units. Maybe give them a few clones in support roles but don't give them entire armies.
bugged life mechanics Jedi: “alright we shall lay siege to the planet and conduct precision orbital strike and-“ clone during order 66: “shut the fuck up” *kills and throws his general out the airlock* “know you fucking place, trash!”
i think it is a bit harsh to say that the jedi screwd themself on geonosis, bevause for most of them there maybe have been visual struggels in the republic, but to think from one day to the other you would go from peace keeper to general for an army you didnt know anything until they landed next to you and said "we await your orders general". yeah they fucked up the rest and didnt change at all, but the first battle on geonosis isnt really their fault in my opinion, i think it was just wrong to set jedi as generals, maybe they should be "an attached militarty personal to the commander of a cloneunit to help decions making and going on elite missions"
In fairness the droids were engaging in the same tactics that the jedi were used to countering with their old ways, so they saw their method of dealing with it as elementary.
i wonder what would have happened if the jedi used their normal tactics but at the same time used the clones in a more traditional way such as ranged support from cover while the jedi did their thing up close and personal.
Just imagine if the jedi did covert ops along with like commandos imagine 2-5 jedi and a squad of commandos could so they would be unstoppable could really fuck shit up behind the scenes
Maybe not as primary generals, but I think Jedi would make the best advisors/special forces lead there are. As advisors to a general, Jedi would basically be able to offer supreme advice and council, with the ability to see through time. They would also be the best bodyguards in the universe, with a combat value equal to whole squads of elite soldiers, and the ability to sense bombs/ambushes before they even happened. You couldn't get a better guardian for your general, or aide for that matter. They would also be able to play to their strengths in small unit tactics with special forces on specific missions, massively increasing a unit's combat ability, subterfuge and mobility.
Optimal strategy would have been to have Jedi do what they had always been doing, as peacekeepers/police/negotiators and solving strategic problems (aka. special forces).
general grievous was the better tactision after all he was able to make 10-14 different organizations millitarys into one decently unified force and was able to take palpatine from courusont and many other victories
Because of the jedi tactics, the war went on longer than it needed to. If the jedi had listened to officers who knew what they where doing we would have ended the war a lot sooner.
The Jedi were 1 day away from winning thou! If skywalker didn’t attack mace, and stood for what was right, it would’ve been all for nothing! It’s also a written story, to have failed, things always could’ve been different
I do admit that i would have agreed with Tarkin in a sense that this is not how you run a war. Especially since the Jedi were inexperienced in leading the military that costed a lot of unnecessary loss of military equipment and lives since the Republic wasn't doing as much well during the war. And there was only a few Jedi like Kota who had actually military experience before becoming a jedi.
Hey Geetsly's How do you think the Clone Wars would have turned out if the Jedi weren't given the leadership roles in the GAR that they had ? If the Jedi stuck to the role of peacekeepers rather than becoming soldiers during the entirety of the CW.
geetsly what would happen if there was no clone army and instead like our worlds military where your enlisted or volunteer to be in the grand army of the republic would it have been possible for human and aliens to fight along side the clones even if normalhumans are not as good as the clones where but could still be stationed on the same ships as the jedi and clones?
Clones were grown for a reason, that's the cold hard truth, they're soldiers and they have a job to do or else everyone suffers. Sad but it be that way sometimes
@@velvetdemise6 yeah I know but I don't think they were officially part of the Republic and were not under control of Republic government in the Old Republic. Rather they were their own independent group that helped Republic. Like in the Mandalorian war Jedi did not take part of it other than Revan and his followers
@@flyer3154 the Jedi were always aligned with the Republic to some extent (minus the Pius Dea phase), but weren't completely integrated into the Republic until after the Ruusan Reformation.
i love hoe tarkin says " is a hairs breadth a comfortable margin in which to risk the outcome of a war?" yet he did that in episode 4 and failed in taking that risk of loading the death star a few more minutes to destroy the base also why didn't they just move the death star to the front of yavin instead of in between the planet and the moon?
One could think that this could be fixed if Sidious wasn't present in the ecuation, and one of two things; 1. Every single Jedi was forced by the GAR to read tactical manuals or at least have some military lessons with actual academy officers after Geonosis or 2. They are replaced with actual generals, and are more relegated as special units, like Commandos, but not with the enough hierarchy power to give general orders. But searching in the Wookiepedia, I found that the situation is even bigger in scale than we can initially think, at least in Legends. The earliest records of having the Jedi Knights as generals came from the ancient Mandalorian Wars, with the Revanchists entering the war. With the Republic in a dire situation, they gave the Jedi the ranks of generals. Contrary to the Clone Wars, however, they seemed to be better tacticians than their descendants, specially thanks to the fact that the Jedi Order of the Old Republic were way more involved in conventional warfare than the prequel Galactic Republic era Jedi Order and also to Revan, who despite being a Jedi Knight and not an actual member of the military, had extreme talent in tactics and strategy, also because he was very hungry for knowledge. He encouraged the Jedi that followed his way to learn about tactics. Almost the same story repeated during the Great Galactic War, and as you said, again during the New Sith Wars. They then remained for 1.000 years finally as peacekeepers, until the Clone Wars raged out. Yet, I'm still puzzled why no more members in the military questioned the actual capabilities of the Jedi as generals during the Clone Wars (even if the most of them became better generals as the war progressed) like Wilhuff Tarkin (thought I understand, again, that everything was manipulated by Sidious in the shadows). Maybe with a Jedi Knight similar to Revan tactical talent and charisma could have changed things for good to the Republic. The closest one would be Anakin Skywalker. Both Revan and Anakin were hailed as war heroes by the Republic propaganda (Revan known as the "Prodigal Knight" and Anakin as "The Hero With No Fear", both in Canon and Legends to the later one) and they were actually considered as such by the general populace, but unlike Anakin, Revan eventually was declared by Supreme Chancellor Tol Cressa in 3.962 BBY as Supreme Commander of the Republic Military, taking the entire control of the GAR of those times, contrary to Anakin who remained always as a Jedi General. Still, I don't believe Jedi and Clones aren't a good combination and therefore are doomed from the start. It just requieres training. In fact, Jedi in their purest form can give awareness to conflicts, with Jedi in command, is harder to see them doing moral and ethic shortcuts, compared to normal military officers, who aren't peacekeepers. Revan, despite becoming more machiavellian towards the end of the Mandalorian Wars, proposed the idea of creating an organization called as the Republic Mercy Corps, to convince more or less the Council to accept more Jedi volunteer to be in the war. They also started to implement more their powers towards Force Healing to heal wounded during and after battles, as for assisting damage or the civilian populace (until Revan started to fell more and more towards the darkside). That is my perspective.
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Jedi: “We’re the guardians of peace and justice in the Republic.”
GAR: “We’re the clones of a man who once killed 5 Jedi with his bare hands. We promise we’re on your side.”
Jedi: OK WE BELIEVE YOU
I like that. Good point
@Modustollens1 Technically it's true. They stopped it from being externally destroyed.
I feel like someone should have thought more about that part...
Astartes: Cocks bolt gun. YA WE PROMISE WE WON'T EXECUTE YOU.
"Were just clones sir. We're meant to be expendable."
"Not to me."
ah yes one of the best quotes
"Deceive You, eyes can. In The Force, very different each of you Is."
The only reason those three clones were saved was because Ahsoka was trying to find Plo Koon. The clones were completely expendable
Carly Crays He DID say “Not to me” Not “Not to the Jedi”. He was speaking for himself
"I'm not expendable to you LOL then you will die braver than most "
ARC trooper REX
jedi: ok, bois, we're gonna yeet forward at the droid defenses Clone Commander: Sir, there are too many defenses, we can't get past, we should use another strategy Jedi: Its treason then? Clone Commander: (visible anger) No Sir,we will use your strategy. (under breath) Can't wait for order 66
Jedi: What was that?
@@simpleclonetrooper2740 Clone Commander: Nothing sir.
Clone Troopers: (Sigh) Here we go again...
@@simpleclonetrooper2740 (loads DC-15A) s h u t
@@thepissedoffcombinesoldier7853 It's treason then.
"We are *not* assassinating every surviving political leader on the planet."
"You'll just end up killing them anyway..."
-Obi-Wan and Alpha
Haha yeah alpha was the coolest
Kenobi is far wiser. Killing every political leader would prolong the rebellion. Whereas as we've seen in other SW media, sparing and using political leaders as puppets can get the rest of the rabble to stand down. Even the Sith back in SWTOR knew that: in their invasions of Corellia and Alderaan, they used local political leaders that they bribed to get as much of the planet on their side.
@@brandonpierce8799 Yeah lol, wish Rex acted more like Alpha cause he's supposed to be Alpha's replacement in the clone wars show/new disney canon
@@swordfish1248 yeah, when creating him they based rex off of alpha, but then changed his personality because they didn't want rex to be a complete copy of alpha, besides, they wanted to make rex a bit more friendly and nice (compared to alpha at least)
Anakin: "No executions, Alpha! We can't end a civil war by just killing half of the planet."
Alpha: "We'll see about that."
Gotta love those roll of the Rs when reading Tarkin’s letter
Yup, there's a difference between warriors and Soldiers. I've said it before that the Jedi would have been better used as special forces along side clone special forces. I'm sure the republic could have recruited more experienced planetary security force combat veterans as generals to lead the big Armys while the Jedi worked alongside Special Forces only. Or attached Jedi to each big unit to serve as special forces only with no command authority except for maybe leading Special operation teams.
Agreed. Jedi SpecOps make a lot of sense. Jedi ADVISERS make a lot of sense. Jedi INTELLIGENCE make a lot of sense. Jedi starfighter SQUADRON commanders make sense. But putting specialists in fighting with a three foot long sword in command of fighter wings, capital ships, and armies of soldiers with blaster rifles, drop ships, tanks, artillery, and other high powered ranged weapons makes ZERO sense.
@@AM-hf9kk no doubt the Jedi Healers would make a GREAT Medical Corps.
@@AM-hf9kk That was the point.
@Shayan Quite a few of Anakin's own successes can be tied directly to Rex's own plans and input.
To be fair, the Jedi were drafted to be the army generals by the Republic's outdated laws. Jedi's didn't really want that but saw it as their responsibility. If anything, it definitely was _the senates_ fault to not change those laws.
I wouldn't consider the battle of geonosis a win. They shoot one core ship down and every important member of the cis escaped. I mean they can't even hold geonosis for a year and they lost many clones that can't be replaced that easily. Yes they rescued the jedi but in a pointless Duell with dooku, Skywalker lost an arm and kenobi gets injured.
Jedi are fools if the sith or actual officers led the clone army the war would have ended in just a year or 2 not drawn out for almost 4 years. The Jedi were horrible at defending planets I mean the entire outer rim garrison was destroyed within a few months because the Jedi led the to their deaths.
It was a victory, just not one that lasted, as they did take the planet.
@@advictoriamsshitposts8689 but the other half of their goals they couldn't archive. They didn't stop the core ships from leaving. The hole high command of the CIS escaped and they couldn't capture dooku. And they started a war.
@@advictoriamsshitposts8689 And, more importantly... they LOST the planet within the year. It was, at best, a Pyrrhic victory. A victory with considerable loses, where some of their goals were achieved, but here is the thing... the goals were the Jedi goals and were therefore in no way sustainable in a war setting.
The Jedi saved those they wanted to, they managed to break up the gathering with the aid of the Clones, but all those responsible got away. And all that got away, went on into the resource rich Galaxy to muster their forces.
@@darkinnovator2479 I love that Jedi were fine with massacring the local militia, breaking to a government facility, killing bodyguards and later brought an army to stop an execution that was within the Geonosian law
"yeah, CIS started the war!"
In my mind, it was the fact that the galactic senate was inefficient, the Jedi had no military experience, and that it had been forever since the Jedi had fought.
Thank you
I honestly think the senate should not have been a part of military moves and there should have been a GAR senate while the republic senate managed other thing not a war. Padme literally screwed over so many victories isn’t eh war because she want to be “peaceful” which ended up killing many of her guards.
TD Tv I agree with that
Darth Revan the Jedi has it coming and I am glad the incompetence of them was ended. The clones should have been happy because they would no longer need to die for stupid citizens who weren’t needed.
Darth Revan I mean think of this. Commander Ponds one of the most loved clone commanders by his brothers and was one of the nicest and even physiologically aides his men was killed mercilessly because of his own generals personal issue.
Someone: Oh you like the clone wars?
Name every clone
Geetsly’s: *Typing*
Person: Wait don’t actually do th-
Geetsly’s: No you asked for it this give me 10 minutes
Do it
1137
1138
1139
1151
16
17
23
35
35 (Excelsior Company)
36
6/298
99
A'den
A'den Skirata
Able
Able-472
Ace
Ace (ARC trooper)
Aeon
Alpha-17
Alpha 332
Alpha 662
Alpha 989
Amp
Ando
Appo
Archer
Arkat
Arrow Eight
Arrow Eleven
Arrow Five
Arrow Four
Arrow Leader
Arrow Seven
Arrow Six
Arrow Ten
Arrow Three
Arrow Twelve
Arrow Two
Atin Skirata
Attie
Aven
Axe
Ayar
Bacara
Bammer
Banks
Baris
Barlex
Barr
Barrage
Basher
Bek
Bel
Bellow
Bellows
Beta 030
Beta 963
Big-Mouth
Blackout
Blasty
Blitz
Blue Leader
Blue Six
Blunt
Bly
Boba Fett
Bogey 1212
Bogey 3856
Bogey 4409
Bogey 5632
Bogey 9662
Boil
Bolt
Boomer
Boost
Boro
Boss
Bouncer
Bow
Bravo 4
Breaker
Breaker (Breakout Squad)
Bren
Broadside
Brolis
Bry
Burner
Buzz
Byl
Cale
Cameron
Can
Cannon
Cards
Carg
CC-01/425
CC-4816
Chainly
Chaos
Charger
Chatter
Chatter (radio communications)
Chatterbox
Checkers
Chi 178
Chi 987
Chopper
CL-33/890
Clanky
Climber
Close-Shave
Clutch
Cody
Colt
Comet
Comet (ARC trooper)
Connor Freeman's father
Contrail
Cooker
Coric
Corr
Cov
CR57
Crag
Crane
Crasher
Crazy Legs
CRC-09/571
Crest
Crosshair
Crys
CT-014/783
CT-1008
CT-1103
CT-1226
CT-1312
CT-1405
CT-1410
CT-1477
CT-1507
CT-1509
CT-1710
CT-1807
CT-1977
CT-2005
CT-2006
CT-2110
CT-2312
CT-2504
CT-2602
CT-2711
CT-27-3555
CT-2805
CT-282-SD00001-983725138
CT-2901
CT-2911
CT-307
CT-327
CT-3423
CT-3632
CT-3636
CT-4/163
CT-4/619
CT-43/002
CT-5/373
CT-5/501
CT-57/11-9048
CT-66-3232
CT-66-3233
CT-66-3238
CT-66-3339
CT-802
CT-8770
CT-8771
CT-8772
CT-8773
CT-8774
CT-8775
CT-8776
CT-8777
CT-8778
CT-8779
CT-8780
CT-8781
CT-8782
CT-8783
CT-8784
CT-8785
CT-8786
CT-8787
CT-8788
CT-8789
CT-8790
CT-8791
CT-8792
CT-8793
CT-8794
CT-8795
CT-8796
CT-8797
CT-8798
CT-8799
CT-8800
CT-8801
CT-8802
CT-8803
CT-8804
CT-8805
CT-8806
CT-8807
CT-8808
CT-8809
CT-8810
CT-8811
CT-8812
CT-8813
CT-8814
CT-8815
CT-8816
CT-8817
CT-8818
CT-8819
CT-8820
CT-8821
CT-8822
CT-8823
CT-8824
CT-8825
CT-8826
CT-8827
CT-8828
CT-8829
CT-8830
CT-8831
CT-8832
CT-8833
CT-8834
CT-8835
CT-8836
CT-8837
CT-8838
CT-8839
CT-8840
CT-8841
CT-8842
CT-8843
CT-8844
CT-8845
CT-8846
CT-8847
CT-8848
CT-8849
CT-8850
CT-8851
CT-8852
CT-8853
CT-8854
CT-8855
CT-8856
CT-8857
CT-8858
CT-8859
CT-8860
CT-8861
CT-8862
CT-8863
CT-8864
CT-8865
CT-8866
CT-8867
CT-8868
CT-8869
CT-8870
CT-8871
CT-8872
CT-8873
CT-8874
CT-8875
CT-8876
CT-8877
CT-8878
CT-8879
CT-8880
CT-8881
CT-8882
CT-8883
CT-8884
CT-8885
CT-8886
CT-8887
CT-8888
CT-8889
CT-8890
CT-8891
CT-8892
CT-8893
CT-8894
CT-8895
CT-8896
CT-8897
CT-8898
CT-8899
CT-8900
CT-8901
CT-8902
CT-8903
CT-8904
CT-8905
CT-8906
CT-8907
CT-8908
CT-8909
CT-8910
CT-914
CT-915
CT-9779
CT-9/85
CT-9932
Oake
Olun
Omega 370
Omikron 621
Ordo Skirata
Orion
Ox
Oz
Parsec
Patch
Patches
Peel
Phi 022
Phi 854
Pi 610
Ponds
Prudii Skirata
Psi 487
Pulsar
Punch
Quo
Racket
Rafe
Rain
Ram
Ras
Rattle
Razor
RC-0079
RC-0155
RC-0451
RC-0473
RC-0476
RC-1066
RC-1080
RC-1415
RC-1927
RC-2020
RC-3423
RC-5093
RC-7305
RC-7770
Recon
Red
Red (Kamino)
Rede
Red Eight
Red Eleven
Redeye
Red Five
Red Four
Red Leader
Red Nine
Red Seven
Red Six
Red Ten
Red Three
Red Twelve
Reed
Remo
Remy
Retired clone trooper
Rex
Rho 106
Rho 557
Rho 571
Rho 773
Ridge
Ringo
Rod
Rogue assassin
Ronto
Rookie
Ross
Rys
Salvo
Sandcat
Sarge
Sarge (commando)
Sarlacc-Face
Sconto's father
Scope
Scorch
Scraps
Scythe
Scythe (ARC trooper)
Seefor
Seeker
Sev
Sev (Lambda Squad)
Seven-Four
Sev's ARC Trooper
Shadow Five
Shadow Four
Shadow Seven
Shadow Six
Shadow Ten
Shadow Three
Shadow Three (Kadavo)
Shadow Twelve
Shadow Twelve's gunner
Sharp
Sharp (Devil Dogs)
Shiv
Shock
Shooter
Sicko
Silver
Sinker
Sirty
Six-ten
Skifter
Sketch
Slammer
Slick
Slug
Soot
Spade
Spanner
Spar
Spark
Spitter
Splice
Sprint
Spots
Squawk
Stak
Stance
Stec
Sten
Sterling
Stinger
Stoker
Stone
Striker
Stripe
Styles
Sull
Swift
Switch
Swoop
Syke
Tacks
Tag
Taler
Tam
Tarvyn Lareka
Tau 378
Tau 616
Tau 753
Tavo
Tech
Tel
Tenn
Theta 198
Theta 269
Theta 687
Thill
Thire
Thorn
Three-Five
Threepwood
Throttle
TK-119
TK-3388
TK-421
TK-422
TK-622
TK-875
TK-9091
Tojo
Toomer
Tooth
Torrent
Torrent Four
Trace
Tracer
Tracker
Tranquility clone trooper captain
Tranter
Trantos
Trap
Trapper
Trauma
Trench
Treve
Trigger
Troy
Trueblood
Tucker
Tup
Turbo
Twelve
Two-Eight
Tyto
Tyto (Bacta Company)
Unidentified 13th Battalion clone commander
Unidentified 187th Legion Clone Commander
Unidentified 187th Legion clone trooper
Unidentified 187th Legion clone trooper 2
Unidentified 187th Legion clone trooper 3
Unidentified 187th Legion marine
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion Trooper (Umbara)
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion clone trooper (Utapau)
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion clone trooper 1(Umbara)
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion clone trooper 1 (Yerbana)
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion clone trooper 2 (Umbara)
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion clone trooper 2 (Yerbana)
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion clone trooper 3 (Umbara)
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion clone trooper captain (Bandomeer)
Unidentified 212th Attack Battalion clone trooper sergeant (Ryloth)
Unidentified 35th Infantry clone trooper (Gaftikar)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone escort trooper 1 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone escort trooper 2 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone escort trooper 3 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone escort trooper 4 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone escort trooper 5 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone escort trooper 6 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone escort trooper 7 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone medical officer 1 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone medical officer 2 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper (Coronet)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper (E-web)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper (Yerbana)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper (Jedi Temple)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper (Yoda's saber throw)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 1 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 2 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 3 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 4 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 5 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 6 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 7 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 8 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper 9 (Umbara)
Unidentified 501st Legion guard 1 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion guard 2 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion heavy weapons specialist 1 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion heavy weapons specialist 2 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper sergeant
Unidentified 501st stormtrooper (first casualty)
Unidentified 501st stormtrooper 2
Unidentified 612th Attack Battalion clone trooper
Unidentified 91st clone trooper (Anaxes)
Unidentified 91st clone trooper 2 (Anaxes)
Unidentified 91st clone trooper lieutenant
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando (Aridka)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando (intelligence officer)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando 1 (Kamino)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando 2 (Kamino)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando captain (Nadiem)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando commander (Aridka)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando commander (Nadiem)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando heavy gunner
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando Lieutenant 1 (Hypori)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando Lieutenant 1 (Muunilinst)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando Lieutenant 2 (Hypori)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando Lieutenant 2 (Muunilinst)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Commando pilot
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force commando 2
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper (Devaron)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper (Kamino)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper (Ryloth)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper (Umbara)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper 2 (Devaron)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper 2 (Kamino)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper 2 (Umbara)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper 3 (Kamino)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper 3 (Umbara)
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper commander
Unidentified Advanced Recon Force trooper lieutenant
Unidentified air group commander
Unidentified Alpha Squad clone trooper
Unidentified ARC trooper
Unidentified ARC trooper commander
Unidentified Blue Squad commando 1
Unidentified Blue Squad commando 2
Unidentified Blue Squad commando 3
Unidentified Blue Squad sergeant
Unidentified Bogey Squad BARC trooper
Unidentified Captain of the Royal Guard
Unidentified clone (cremation center)
Unidentified clone (morgue)
Unidentified clone 2 (cremation center)
Unidentified clone 2 (morgue)
Unidentified clone 3 (cremation center)
Unidentified clone cadet
Unidentified clone cadet 2
Unidentified clone cadet 3
Unidentified clone cadet 4
Unidentified clone cadet 5
Unidentified clone chief medic
Unidentified clone commando (Arca barracks)
Unidentified clone commando 1 (H.O.P.E.)
Unidentified clone commando 2 (H.O.P.E.)
Unidentified clone commando 3 (H.O.P.E.)
Unidentified clone commando 1 (Theta Squadron)
Unidentified clone commando 2 (Theta Squadron)
Unidentified clone commando 3 (Theta Squadron)
Unidentified clone commando 4 (Theta Squadron)
Unidentified clone commando captain (Theta Squadron)
Unidentified clone commando pilot
Unidentified clone commando sergeant (H.O.P.E.)
Unidentified clone commando sniper
Unidentified clone commando weapons specialist
Unidentified clone engineer 1 (Twilight)
Unidentified clone escort trooper (Coruscant)
Unidentified clone medical officer
Unidentified clone medical officer (501st Legion medical bay)
Unidentified clone naval captain (Tranquility)
Unidentified clone naval commander (Resolute)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Anza)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Battle of the Kaliida Nebula)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Citadel)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Endurance)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Kamino)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Negotiator)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Patitite Pattuna)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Quell)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Ryloth)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Ryndellia)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Sanctuary III)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Sullust)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Ukio)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Valor)
Unidentified clone naval officer (Venator-class Star Destroyer)
Unidentified clone naval officer 1 (Saleucami)
Unidentified clone naval officer 2 (Anza)
Unidentified clone naval officer 2 (Citadel)
Unidentified clone naval officer 2 (Negotiator)
Unidentified clone naval officer 2 (Ryndellia)
Unidentified clone naval officer 2 (Saleucami)
Unidentified clone paratrooper (212th Attack Battalion)
Unidentified clone scout trooper (Umbara)
Unidentified clone SCUBA commander
Unidentified clone SCUBA trooper (First Battle)
Unidentified clone SCUBA trooper (Second Battle)
Unidentified clone SCUBA trooper 2 (First Battle)
Unidentified clone SCUBA trooper 2 (Second Battle)
Unidentified clone sergeant (Amidala's transmission)
Unidentified clone sergeant (New Dawn)
Unidentified clone shock trooper (docks)
Unidentified clone stormtrooper
Unidentified clone stormtrooper gunner
Unidentified clone scout trooper (Kashyyyk)
Unidentified clone tank gunner (Bothawui)
Unidentified clone tank gunner (Felucia)
Unidentified clone tank gunner (Geonosis)
Unidentified clone tank gunner (Saleucami)
Unidentified clone trooper
Unidentified clone trooper (79's)
Unidentified clone trooper (Amedda's bodyguard)
Unidentified clone trooper (Anza)
Unidentified clone trooper (Arm wrestle)
Unidentified clone trooper (Asuin)
Unidentified clone trooper (Brentaal IV)
Unidentified clone trooper (Brighthome)
Unidentified clone trooper (Christophsis)
Unidentified clone trooper (Citadel)
Unidentified clone trooper (commando cross-training)
Unidentified clone trooper (Endor)
Unidentified clone trooper (Endurance)
Unidentified clone trooper (Florrum)
Unidentified clone trooper (Geonosian kill)
Unidentified clone trooper (Geonosis)
Unidentified clone trooper (Gwori)
Unidentified clone trooper (Hailfire droid victim)
Unidentified clone trooper (Honoghr)
Unidentified clone trooper (Kaliida Shoals)
Unidentified clone trooper (Kamino)
Unidentified clone trooper (Kiros)
Unidentified clone trooper (Negotiator)
Unidentified clone trooper (Nelvaan)
Unidentified clone trooper (Oznek)
Unidentified clone trooper (Prosecutor torpedo bay)
Unidentified clone trooper (Resolute)
Unidentified clone trooper (Saleucami)
Unidentified clone trooper (Second Battle of Geonosis)
Unidentified clone trooper (TB-73)
Unidentified clone trooper (Third Battle of Kamino)
Unidentified clone trooper (Timira City)
Unidentified clone trooper (Tranquility)
Unidentified clone trooper (Triumphant)
Unidentified clone trooper (Twilight)
Unidentified clone trooper (Vassek moon)
Unidentified clone trooper (Ventress victim)
Unidentified clone trooper (video call)
Unidentified clone trooper 1 (Citadel)
Unidentified clone trooper 1 (Drongar)
Unidentified clone trooper 1 (Hadde Base)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Citadel)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Florrum)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Geonosis)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Gwori)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Hadde Base)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Kamino)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Kiros)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Prosecutor)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Ryloth)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Saleucami)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Vassek moon)
Unidentified clone trooper 2 (Triumphant)
Unidentified clone trooper 3 (Citadel)
Unidentified clone trooper 3 (Kamino)
Unidentified clone trooper 3 (Kiros)
Unidentified clone trooper 3 (Vassek moon)
Unidentified clone trooper 4 (Citadel)
Unidentified clone trooper captain
Unidentified clone trooper captain (Bandomeer)
Unidentified clone trooper captain (besieged moon)
Unidentified clone trooper captain (Bogden 3)
Unidentified clone trooper captain (Hoth)
Unidentified clone trooper captain (Hunter Squad)
Unidentified clone trooper captain (Tranquility)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (bank)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Chrisophsis)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Gyndine moon)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Hitaka)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Hypermatter refinery)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Impavid)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Jedi Temple)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Malastare)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Separatist factory)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Unidentified planet)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Viidaav)
Unidentified clone trooper commander (Zeffo)
Unidentified clone trooper gunner (14th Infantry)
Unidentified clone trooper lieutenant
Unidentified clone trooper lieutenant (501st Legion)
Unidentified clone trooper lieutenant (Medica)
Unidentified clone trooper lieutenant (Pols Anaxes camp)
Unidentified clone trooper lieutenant (Sarrish)
Unidentified clone trooper lieutenant pilot
Unidentified clone trooper medic (Shinarcan Bridge)
Unidentified clone trooper officer
Unidentified clone trooper pilot
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (14th Infantry)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Bothawui)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Florrum)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Geonosis)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Kadavo)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Malastare)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Mandalore)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Rodia)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Vanqor)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Yerbana)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 1 (Consular-class cruiser)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 1 (Quell)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 1 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 2 (Bothawui)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 2 (Consular-class cruiser)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 2 (Quell)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 2 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 2 (Rodia)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 3 (Bothaqui)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot (Obi-Wan Kenobi's fleet)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 3 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 4 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 5 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 6 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot 7 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot captain (Second Battle of Geonosis)
Unidentified clone trooper pilot captain (Tranquility)
Unidentified clone trooper scout
Unidentified clone trooper sergeant
Unidentified clone trooper sergeant (14th Infantry)
Unidentified clone trooper sergeant (501st Legion)
Unidentified clone trooper sergeant (Coruscant patrol)
Unidentified clone trooper sergeant (Malastare)
Unidentified clone trooper sergeant (Timira City)
Unidentified clone trooper sergeant medic
Unidentified commander (Christophsis rescue mission)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard (camera monitor)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard (Chancellor's Office)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard (guard platform)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard (Naboo)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard (prison balcony)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard (prison entrance)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard (Tano's escape)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard (Ziro's escort)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard 1 (prison corridor)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard 1 (prison riot)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard 2 (prison corridor)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard 2 (prison riot)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard 3 (prison riot)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard 4 (prison riot)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard heavy weapons specialist 1 (Scipio)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard heavy weapons specialist 2 (Scipio)
Unidentified Coruscant Guard sergeant
Unidentified Doom's Unit clone trooper 1 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified Doom's Unit clone trooper 2 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified Doom's Unit heavy weapons specialist 1 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified Doom's Unit heavy weapons specialist 2 (Ringo Vinda)
Unidentified Green Company Clone Commander
Unidentified Green Company trooper
Unidentified Horn Company trooper
Unidentified Jet's Unit clone trooper 1
Unidentified Jet's Unit clone trooper 2
Unidentified Jet's Unit clone trooper 3
Unidentified Jet's Unit clone flame trooper 1
Unidentified Jet's Unit clone flame trooper 2
Unidentified Jet's Unit clone flame trooper 3
Unidentified Juma-9 Squad clone trooper
Unidentified Kamino Security Team clone trooper 1
Unidentified Kamino Security Team clone trooper 2
Unidentified Kamino Security Team clone trooper 3
Unidentified Kamino Security Team officer
Unidentified Keeli's Company clone trooper 1
Unidentified Keeli's Company clone trooper 2
Unidentified Lightning Squadron trooper (Ryloth)
Unidentified Mojo's Unit clone trooper 1
Unidentified Mojo's Unit clone trooper 2
Unidentified Mojo's Unit clone trooper 3
Unidentified Mojo's Unit clone trooper 4
Unidentified Muunilinst 10 clone trooper 1
Unidentified Muunilinst 10 clone trooper 2
Unidentified Muunilinst 10 clone trooper 3
Unidentified Muunilinst 10 clone trooper 4
Unidentified Muunilinst 10 clone trooper 5
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 1 (79's)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 2 (79's)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 3 (79's)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 4 (79's)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 5 (79's)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 6 (79's)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 7 (79's)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 1 (Arm wrestle)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 2 (Arm wrestle)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 1 (Toast)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 2 (Toast)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 3 (Toast)
Unidentified Open Circle Fleet clone naval officer 4 (Toast)
Unidentified Rancor Battalion clone trooper (Kamino)
Unidentified Rancor Battalion heavy weapons specialist (Kamino)
Unidentified Rancor Battalion heavy weapons specialist 2 (Kamino)
Unidentified Republic Navy captain
Unidentified Resolute naval officer (Kamino)
Unidentified Resolute naval officer (Ryloth)
Unidentified Resolute naval officer (of Sullust)
Unidentified Resolute naval officer (Kaliida Nebula)
Unidentified Resolute naval officer (Pre-Kamino)
Unidentified rookie clone trooper
Unidentified Shadow Squadron gunner
Unidentified Shadow Squadron pilot
Unidentified shock trooper 1 (79's)
Unidentified shock trooper 2 (79's)
Unidentified shock trooper 3 (79's)
Unidentified shock trooper 4 (79's)
Unidentified shock trooper 5 (79's)
Unidentified shock trooper (Scipio)
Unidentified shock trooper 2 (Scipio)
Unidentified stealth pilot
Unidentified Theta Squadron captain
Unidentified Theta Squadron clone commando 1
Unidentified Theta Squadron clone commando 2
Unidentified Theta Squadron clone commando 3
Unidentified Theta Squadron clone commando 4
Unidentified Torrent Company trooper (Biitu)
Unidentified Torrent Company trooper (Teth)
Unidentified Torrent Company trooper 2 (Teth)
Unidentified Triton Squad Advanced Recon Commando
Unidentified Triton Squad clone commando lieutenant
Unidentified Triton Squad clone stormtrooper
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper 2
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper 3
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper 4
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper 5
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper 6
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper 7
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper 8
Unidentified Triton Squad clone trooper 9
Unidentified V-19 Torrent starfighter pilot
Unidentified Wolfpack clone communications officer (Malastare)
Upsilon 168
Upsilon 733
Upsilon 941
Vaize
Valiant
Vargus
Vaughn
Ven (Kothlis)
Ven (Qiilura)
Vere
Vill
Vin
Voca
Warthog
Wave
Waxer
Whiplash
Wildfire
Wingnut
Wolffe
Wooley
Wrecker
Wrench
X1
X2
Xi 778
Xi 999
Xoni
Xutoo
Yellow Five
Yellow Leader
Yover
Zag
Zak
Zap
Zeer
Zeke
Zeta
Zeta 654
One of the purposes of the war was to “thin out” the Jedi order just enough, so when the grand plan was utilized there wouldn’t be enough Jedi to oppose him.... A great deal of Jedi Masters were killed in the war, Mostly leaving younglings or not fully trained masters yet still knights. It truly was a win-win situation for The future emperor.
Jedi: we want peace
*turns and chops off someone’s hand instead of their gun to stop them*
I've always wanted a scene where a Jedi fights a force user who uses blasters. When he uses he complains about using such a dishonorable weapon.
His opponent responds "At least mine has a stun setting," and knocks the Jedi out.
@@Banchoking well, technically some slightsabers, if not all of them, had the ability to lower the "heat" of the blade so it wouldn't cut through something or someone, though this was mostly used for training and probably sparing
Ironic
@@eriksmith3089 yeah that was used mostly by younglings when training and nothing else lol
Jango: kills 6 jedi with his bare hands
Now I see why clones loved Kenobi and Skywalker...
And Plo, Aayla, Ahsoka, Yoda, and Kit Fisto, they actually valued the lives of their men
@@canadiangopnik7007 ahsoka got more than half a squadron killed because she thought she was anakin
@@anakinskywalker921 that was her first time commanding a mission, it didn’t happen again
@@canadiangopnik7007 that would be true but on another occasion her whole squad almost got overran and she got in trouble with the council
@@anakinskywalker921 when was that exactly
Two words.
SLAVE ARMY. Grown against their will, robbed of free agency, forced to fight and executed if they didn't want to. For the Jedi you had blind obedience to a corrupt Republic that served its own interests first and the people's never. It's no wonder why the Jedi were so blinded by the Dark Side, they were literally fighting for the Sith, struck first and ignored the reasons for the war in the first place.
*Enrolling to the empire*
Palpatine and Plagueis were true geniuses.
Flekk Bone Gnawer Yeah but the Jedi were highly incompetent and were very blind to the obvious. They went on missions not authorized and sent children in to lead their troops.
@Flekk Bone Gnawer second point, Grievous, the cool one:
_Bonjour_
Flekk Bone Gnawer Oh, so because I didn’t _create_ it it’s okay for me to use an atomic bomb?
“We’re meant to be expendable”
“Not to me”
“Then why do you continue to allow us to be massacred en masse all the time?”
“You will forget you questioned my authority.”
Two days later the entire army including the General are wiped out at Salucami
Edit: Clone from the after life: I told you
Dead Jedi: You will not question my authority
Flekk Bone Gnawer citation please? Clone commandos and clone force 99 prove otherwise
Flekk Bone Gnawer not really
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"IDK, just stay in the tanks."
Christian Newaye Clone force 99 and clone commandos aren’t clone Commanders. You even read what he said?
Anakin and plo koon had to be the greatest generals of the clone wars. Compassionate, unorthodox, and always kicked ass. Kenobi was pretty good as well, but I always thought of him more as a jedi politician than a general.
I mean, he was known as 'The Negotiator'.
I'm an army veteran and it hurts my little tactical heart every time I see the tactics used in the clone wars. If I wasn't such a big star wars fan, it would have been unbareable to watch. It's reminiscent of WW1 tactics, and the disregard for the common soldier's life certainly fits the bill.
Jedi: End the fight with minimal losses.
Clones: End the fight whatever it costs.
Eh, it was more like the Jedi were all talk and didn’t even want to think about fighting in the first place.
@@goldenbrigain7031 unfortunately they weren't used for such things. Their philosophy and beliefs shouldn't stand in their way like they did in star wars timeline.
I think some of the best Jedi to be under the command of would be Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Plo Koon. They had decent tactics and genuinely cared about their men so they wouldn't put there troops' lives in danger needlessly, unlike a certain four-armed bastard of a Jedi who will not be named right now. In fact, a recent comic series(Clone Wars Battle Tales) delves into why the Clone forces under these three Jedi respected and trusted them so much and it's basically all the same reasons: They never leave a man behind and the Clones aren't expendable to them. And here are the examples from the comics:
1.) Anakin stayed behind to let his Clones escape while he distracted a monster that would have killed him had Rex not come back to help, telling Anakin the same thing he told him and the Clones earlier, "Never leave a man behind."
2.) Plo Koon told Wolffee and the boys their mission went well, while the Separatist forces escaped, all the innocent civilians and the Clones made it back alive, which is the most important thing.
3.) Obi-Wan sent Cody, Boil, Waxxer, and his team on a mission to save some capture Clones, despite not having full approval from the Senate yet and ignoring the more political side of the war, to save the lives of the troops he valued and later told, "You Clones will never be fodder, not on my watch. The Jedi, Clones, Senators, our allies--all of us. We're in this together. And I will fight for each and every one of us in equal measure, now and until the very last day of this war."
Don't forget Quinlan Vos. A Jedi so arrogant and short-sighted, his mistreatment of his clones literally turned them into stone cold killers before and during the time Order 66 came.
@@flipkiller8521 Actually, those Clones weren't Quinlan's unit, they were Oppo Rancisis Clones who got assigned to Quinlan after Oppo was killed during the Siege of Saleucami, and one of those Clones was Faie, who was always a jerk and a stone cold killer regardless of the Jedi he was under, especially evident given how compationet Oppo was.
Jedi: we need to be within whacking distance of the enemy so I can spank them with my laser sword.
Clone: Sir, the rest of us are equipped with ranged weaponry.
Jedi: how uncivilized... Now come along meat shields!
The thing is, there actually is a strategy to this. We see Anakin and Ahsoka essentially turn themselves into shields to stand between their men and droids.
But we also see numerous times where this strategy breaks down
I like the rolling of the “R’s” when he reads tarkin’s quotes. Just beautiful.
“To be fair, nobody, neither the Jedi nor my clone brothers were ready for that war. I would agree that our relationship was very odd. No one would like to admit it, but we were in a sense, slave child soldiers. This bothered my general. Regardless of this, that war would’ve been better if The Jedi were better integrated into our ranks, as they are skilled monks and fighters, and saved individual lives plenty of times.” CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, former Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
They were both essentially slaves to the Republic. The Jedi were regarded a bit higher but still slaves in every sense. Aside from a few volunteer officers like Yularen, it was the Jedi and the Clones who bled heavily during the clone waars.
@Shayan Which is certainly part of the tragedy. The Jedi probably believed that after the war was over, the clone would be given more rights and freedoms. Thus, the war would be sort of justified and not a waste.
@Jackson Pierce nice
@@avatarspirit57 Technically the Jedi became slaves in the sense that they were too submissive towards the republican interests, but they weren't slaves in the literal sense of the word. They joined to the Old Republic 25.000 years BBY by pure own decision, not because the Republic put a gun towards their heads. The case of the Clone Troopers, sadly is different, because they didn't had a choice from the beginning. They had or had to fight for the Republic against the Seps, not mattering if they liked it or not.
I cant find that quote, is it made up?
I think the fact that the entire outer rim garrison was wiped out that’s like 100,000+ clones that the Jedi got killed because of their sucky defenses.
The Jedi weren’t a great fit to work with the republic, either.
Mitth'raw'nuruodo they should have stayed neutral
Except they worked well for 1000 generations. It's just that Palpatine is a 4D chess player and was way too smart for them, that led to their fall.
@@inquisitorthomasdefinitely536 They did that during the Mandalorian Wars. It didn't work well.
@@HolyknightVader999 they’re blamed when they intervene, blamed when they don’t
@@wildfire9280 True. So why even bother?
"Clones and Jedi didn't work well together"
Litterally every Jedi featured in clone wars exept for Pong Krell: "Are we a joke to you!?"
Oh, they work great together on the battlefield! But that's only half of it. In fact, Krell is a good example of this: it was well known that he had a high casualty rate. It was well known that he didn't like clones. It was so well known that Anakin felt the need to personally vouch for Rex before he basically handed him over to someone he knew wouldn't value him as a person and military personnel.
Why was Krell allowed to continue important missions if all of this was well known?
@@rosesweetcharlotte Thats true
@@rosesweetcharlotte he was also known for having the highest success rate
I think he meant that the Jedi actual fighting tactics didn't work well. They have clones standing in the open and charging a lot. Which is fine if you have a lightsaber, but sucked for the clones.
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz that’s also true
Geetsly, here's a good suggestion,
What if the Mandalorians were General's instead of the Jedi during the Clone Wars?
What would the impact be for the Clones throughout the war?
He already made a video about that, just type in "geetsly disgustingly fast"
hoenstly
it be a bloodbath on both sides. if anything they'd escalate things. mandos are not known for restraint.
Due to Jedi tactical oversights and screw ups around 5,000 out of the original 10,000 republic commandos were killed. 50% in just one battle by the end of the war only handful of additional commandos had died.
4,982 - RC1207 MIA
Just want to get this out of the way, the way you read Tarkin's note makes me think you should voice a Imperial officer.
With that out of the way, I feel like most Jedi were more fit as frontline soldiers as opposed to generals. Not only because most of them preferred to charge head on into battle, but also because their choice in weaponry would be more fit on the frontlines.
The First Battle of Geonosis was a miracle for The Republic, who were lucky that it didn't turn out to be like the real world battle of Gallipoli. (Basically, the WW1 D-Day that failed.)
yeah, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with Tarkin here, the Jedi (or at least most of them), definitely shouldn't have been leading armies.
mah boy tarkin spiting some facts
The Jedi also were hypocritical in their belief when it came to the Grievous’s people, as his people were placed in the wrong when they retaliated against and nearly wiped out an alien race that was literally feeding on them as if they were livestock. He is seen as a hero and god by his people for his actions against both the race that they fought against, and the Jedi that defended that race.
Of course Tarkin would be the only one to question the entire droid arc
*What if the Jedi had to take orders from the Clone Commanders? Like when that scene with Mace meets his first clone commander telling him "Sir, I have five special commando units awaiting your orders sir." instead of that he said to Mace "Sir, your are assigned to Commando unit Gamma-27, report to your commanding officer RC-7221 immediately." The look on Mace's face when he is told he needs to follow orders that are not his own or the Jedi's.*
Basically Jedi= Early ww1 commanders.
Clones= French, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, Russian, Italian, German and British soldiers
I excluded some countries like Bulgaria, Romanian and Belgium because I do not know much about them.
Commander Ponds:" Master Windu we have a whole ass battalion at your disposal."
Mace:" dayymnn alright. Lets waste those droids and that bigass spider. "
Clone:" This is where the f...."(RIP CLONE)
The jedi should have been elite soldiers and advisors (highest rank should be captain). Instead of generals, they would be like the arc troopers who went in like commandos
Agreed. The Jedi are more useful as SpecOps rather than generals. Then again, it was also a question as to how many non-clone officers the Republic did have that could and are willing to take command in the GAR?
Yeah they would fill a sort of shock trooper role since they are practically super soldiers
@@LAV-III They still lack the numbers to actually be frontliners. I was thinking more like cloak-and-dagger type like commandos. A special Jedi Corps involved in specops missions could've gone well for the GAR. I actually wondered why nobody in the GAR actually thought of that.
What would Imperial Officers, during the Clone Wars, do IF they knew Palpatine was playing both sides & such?
“Commander Fox, Execute Order 65. Evidence has come up that the Chancellor is leading both sides of this debacle of a conflict.” (Good soldiers follow orders) “Understood Admiral. Alright men, the Chancellor is a traitor and we need to go capture or kill that sleemo!” “Sir yes sir!” Cue the Corusant Guard, the Jedi, and any other units on planet going for The Senate assuming the actual Senate doesn’t not do something for once.
Two words: Order 65. If WIndu only made public of Anakin's revelation, Palpatine would've been silenced.
They disappear :D
Lord hoth huh....something tells me the planet was named after him.
I personally feel like the Jedi that showed they where devoted enough to victory like Anakin, & Kerll (before they found out he was a traitor) should have been made special agents like Commandos, or ARC troopers. There’s a difference between Warriors & Soldiers.
I love it that when you read Tarkin quotes it had his accent
Nothing like putting an order of monks who have had minimal military expierence in the last millenia in charge of an army of expensive well trained warriors whose strengths are the exact opposite of the space wizards who use swords.
I wish they'd make a Ken Burns style mockumentary of the Clone Wars, it'd be amazing
It honestly makes me feel disdain and sadness to watch the Clone Wars for this reason. Because they do a good job portraying this exact issue, but they make you feel connected to each individual clone. I don't want to watch a unit of a army of basically people I care about to follow getting slaughtered en masse knowing that they understand their situation but they were stuck there like pigs for slaughter by their creators. Just leaves a sick feeling in my stomach when I see Jedi and Clones fighting together. And it shows even more the deviousness of Palpatine machinations and the suffering they brought.
If I was in charge of the GAR and was trying to win the war, no Palpatine involvement or anything, I’d have used the Jedi as a sort of elite shock trooper, used to break enemy lines in lightning assaults, or as infiltrators to sabotage key facilities.
Tarkin trolling D-Squad.... hahaha!
I just love how dumb ideas, which are usually just screenwriters trying to make something look cool, are explained so well by writers after the fact.
So remember the Jedi said “we’re keepers of the peace,not soldiers.” What they didn’t say was “we’re keepers of the peace, not soldiers or generals.” They mainly acted as generals in the clone wars. I’m just trying to say that they didn’t lie when they said that their not soldiers.
is it strange that I really wish the clones had said "bruh" now? lol
I mean, most of the Jedi had about five minutes to process the fact that they were now Generals of an army they didn't know existed and had to lead men into battle...I doubt any of us would have done any better. But after that first day whoever didn't make an effort to analyze their decisions and make corrections, yeah, it's on them from that point on.
Bruh wtf are these thumbnails? They make my day 😭😂
the slave army thing made me so uncomfortable asf especially since the jedi were supposed to be damn peacekeepers NOT WARLORDS.
What if clone tactics had been used on Geonosis? Would that have changed the war?
Also, in defense of the Jedi...it’s the only way they knew how to fight, having been abducted and taught that way since infancy.
Didn't the republic only win because of the shutdown command? The conflict only lasted as long as sidious needed to recruit Anakin, and swing the public mood enough to create his empire.
Dooku, Grievous, and the Separatist Council were dead, although the Separatist Senate still existed and there were still many Generals and Admirals, the fact was that the Confederacy had lost its ability to continue the war effectively
@@nobleman9393 Which was Palpatine's plan. He planned to neuter the CIS and get rid of the Jedi at the same time.
Now, I have no intention of defending Windu here, but...
That ludicrous speech at Anaxes was a brilliant distraction. Any good soldier (or person with some common sense) would have taken that chance to get into cover, but the clones just stood there. This one is on them (or on Dave Filoni for that unimaginably silly scene, I guess, but let's not tear down the fourth wall).
While I'm not familiar with the exact tactics in the days of Satele Shan, Jace Malcom, and Darth Malgus, I am sure of this: Jedi authority was respected, but not because of an official rank. While some Jedi attained high military ranks, it was the ones who'd earned it that did; they weren't giving military authority to every Jedi master, knight, and padawan. I believe that if the lessons of the Great Galactic War were heeded, despite being over three and a half millennia before the Clone Wars, it would have been a very different war. At the same time: yeah, Palpatine knew what would happen when he did that.
Satele earned her stripes by personally leading the Republic's Armies without expecting privileges or accolades.
The best way? Just take the jedi away from leadership positions and use them as special infiltrating units. Maybe give them a few clones in support roles but don't give them entire armies.
It was actually 4 years that the clones wars lasted , and the for the clones it felt like 8
The thumbnail looks like something filthy frank will say.
bugged life mechanics Jedi: “alright we shall lay siege to the planet and conduct precision orbital strike and-“
clone during order 66: “shut the fuck up” *kills and throws his general out the airlock* “know you fucking place, trash!”
i think it is a bit harsh to say that the jedi screwd themself on geonosis, bevause for most of them there maybe have been visual struggels in the republic, but to think from one day to the other you would go from peace keeper to general for an army you didnt know anything until they landed next to you and said "we await your orders general". yeah they fucked up the rest and didnt change at all, but the first battle on geonosis isnt really their fault in my opinion, i think it was just wrong to set jedi as generals, maybe they should be "an attached militarty personal to the commander of a cloneunit to help decions making and going on elite missions"
You even nailed the roller Rs for the Tarkin quotes lmao
Your channel is super cool I love Star Wars channels like generation tech you Star Wars theory and stupendous wave
What always annoy me is how many clones were wasted because of jedi leadership
In fairness the droids were engaging in the same tactics that the jedi were used to countering with their old ways, so they saw their method of dealing with it as elementary.
I'm still fucking laughing at the cover picture I can see a clone trooper snapping and yell that out
i wonder what would have happened if the jedi used their normal tactics but at the same time used the clones in a more traditional way such as ranged support from cover while the jedi did their thing up close and personal.
Just imagine if the jedi did covert ops along with like commandos imagine 2-5 jedi and a squad of commandos could so they would be unstoppable could really fuck shit up behind the scenes
Maybe not as primary generals, but I think Jedi would make the best advisors/special forces lead there are.
As advisors to a general, Jedi would basically be able to offer supreme advice and council, with the ability to see through time. They would also be the best bodyguards in the universe, with a combat value equal to whole squads of elite soldiers, and the ability to sense bombs/ambushes before they even happened. You couldn't get a better guardian for your general, or aide for that matter.
They would also be able to play to their strengths in small unit tactics with special forces on specific missions, massively increasing a unit's combat ability, subterfuge and mobility.
Man, using Hoth's tactics is like trying to use William the Conqueror's tactics in a modern day conflict.
Optimal strategy would have been to have Jedi do what they had always been doing, as peacekeepers/police/negotiators and solving strategic problems (aka. special forces).
The Jedi were no strangers to war! They knew the rules and so do I!
Its insane how stuff going to change thanks to high republic
general grievous was the better tactision after all he was able to make 10-14 different organizations millitarys into one decently unified force and was able to take palpatine from courusont and many other victories
The nostalgia hit me hard like a hammer when I heard the sound at 0:39
Krell has the best approach. HEAD ON ASSAULT
Because of the jedi tactics, the war went on longer than it needed to. If the jedi had listened to officers who knew what they where doing we would have ended the war a lot sooner.
Excellent video.
The thumbnails just keep getting better and better
I think the Jedi are really soft in the head with mass charges,no specialists to destroy entrenched enemies,running their men into suicidal plans
The Jedi were 1 day away from winning thou! If skywalker didn’t attack mace, and stood for what was right, it would’ve been all for nothing! It’s also a written story, to have failed, things always could’ve been different
In all fairness the jedi did care for the clones...its just that what they think they were doing right was bad for the clones.
They figured that the clones were gonna be used anyways, so why not them be the ones to use them and try and humanize them a bit?
So they were good people, just idiots.
5:38 wait... I just realised Obi-Wan wore clone armour?
They weren't good fighters! They were aggressive negotiators!
I do admit that i would have agreed with Tarkin in a sense that this is not how you run a war. Especially since the Jedi were inexperienced in leading the military that costed a lot of unnecessary loss of military equipment and lives since the Republic wasn't doing as much well during the war. And there was only a few Jedi like Kota who had actually military experience before becoming a jedi.
Start of the video where it does the first battlefront zoom-in before cutting always jars me. I need the rest of my battlefront zoom noises.
Hey Geetsly's
How do you think the Clone Wars would have turned out if the Jedi weren't given the leadership roles in the GAR that they had ? If the Jedi stuck to the role of peacekeepers rather than becoming soldiers during the entirety of the CW.
Jedi should’ve been strictly used as special forces and/or guardians of important control points.
As much as I dislike Tarkin and think his Doctrine of Fear was useless, he isn’t wrong and brings up several very valid Points in his Memo.
geetsly what would happen if there was no clone army and instead like our worlds military where your enlisted or volunteer to be in the grand army of the republic would it have been possible for human and aliens to fight along side the clones even if normalhumans are not as good as the clones where but could still be stationed on the same ships as the jedi and clones?
Even Tarkin hated D-Squad
Love ur vids keep the. Good work up
Cool video. True, a bad mix indeed, all part of Palpatine's plan. He used the Jedi's complacency perfectly.
Clones were grown for a reason, that's the cold hard truth, they're soldiers and they have a job to do or else everyone suffers. Sad but it be that way sometimes
They should've taken more strategy classes.
1:18 We're no strangers to war, You know the rules, and so do i.
The state of the thumbnails just keep getting better and better
Was there a difference in the way the Jedi generals lead during the Old Republic versus the Clone Wars?
In the Old Republic era Jedi order was not part of the Republic I think
Nuff Mad No, the Jedi were protectors of the Republic pretty much from its founding.
@@velvetdemise6 yeah I know but I don't think they were officially part of the Republic and were not under control of Republic government in the Old Republic. Rather they were their own independent group that helped Republic. Like in the Mandalorian war Jedi did not take part of it other than Revan and his followers
@@flyer3154 Ok thanks.
@@flyer3154 the Jedi were always aligned with the Republic to some extent (minus the Pius Dea phase), but weren't completely integrated into the Republic until after the Ruusan Reformation.
The thumbnail captures all the reasons in one nutshell
i love hoe tarkin says " is a hairs breadth a comfortable margin in which to risk the outcome of a war?" yet he did that in episode 4 and failed in taking that risk of loading the death star a few more minutes to destroy the base
also why didn't they just move the death star to the front of yavin instead of in between the planet and the moon?
I think gravity and other planets constelation blocked any hyperjump closer. For so big object like DS
@@tomaskops7119 ah okay that would make sense
"Who had the best tactical approach in the Clone Wars?" Easy. Darth Sidious.
One could think that this could be fixed if Sidious wasn't present in the ecuation, and one of two things; 1. Every single Jedi was forced by the GAR to read tactical manuals or at least have some military lessons with actual academy officers after Geonosis or 2. They are replaced with actual generals, and are more relegated as special units, like Commandos, but not with the enough hierarchy power to give general orders.
But searching in the Wookiepedia, I found that the situation is even bigger in scale than we can initially think, at least in Legends. The earliest records of having the Jedi Knights as generals came from the ancient Mandalorian Wars, with the Revanchists entering the war. With the Republic in a dire situation, they gave the Jedi the ranks of generals. Contrary to the Clone Wars, however, they seemed to be better tacticians than their descendants, specially thanks to the fact that the Jedi Order of the Old Republic were way more involved in conventional warfare than the prequel Galactic Republic era Jedi Order and also to Revan, who despite being a Jedi Knight and not an actual member of the military, had extreme talent in tactics and strategy, also because he was very hungry for knowledge. He encouraged the Jedi that followed his way to learn about tactics.
Almost the same story repeated during the Great Galactic War, and as you said, again during the New Sith Wars. They then remained for 1.000 years finally as peacekeepers, until the Clone Wars raged out. Yet, I'm still puzzled why no more members in the military questioned the actual capabilities of the Jedi as generals during the Clone Wars (even if the most of them became better generals as the war progressed) like Wilhuff Tarkin (thought I understand, again, that everything was manipulated by Sidious in the shadows).
Maybe with a Jedi Knight similar to Revan tactical talent and charisma could have changed things for good to the Republic. The closest one would be Anakin Skywalker. Both Revan and Anakin were hailed as war heroes by the Republic propaganda (Revan known as the "Prodigal Knight" and Anakin as "The Hero With No Fear", both in Canon and Legends to the later one) and they were actually considered as such by the general populace, but unlike Anakin, Revan eventually was declared by Supreme Chancellor Tol Cressa in 3.962 BBY as Supreme Commander of the Republic Military, taking the entire control of the GAR of those times, contrary to Anakin who remained always as a Jedi General.
Still, I don't believe Jedi and Clones aren't a good combination and therefore are doomed from the start. It just requieres training. In fact, Jedi in their purest form can give awareness to conflicts, with Jedi in command, is harder to see them doing moral and ethic shortcuts, compared to normal military officers, who aren't peacekeepers. Revan, despite becoming more machiavellian towards the end of the Mandalorian Wars, proposed the idea of creating an organization called as the Republic Mercy Corps, to convince more or less the Council to accept more Jedi volunteer to be in the war. They also started to implement more their powers towards Force Healing to heal wounded during and after battles, as for assisting damage or the civilian populace (until Revan started to fell more and more towards the darkside).
That is my perspective.
Damn dude this is amazing. Not being sarcastic.
@@echo8474 Thanks mate.
The jedi should have started out as low-ranked lieutenants, considering their inexperience and tendency to lead from the front.
It doesn't help that the Order's one strategist wasn't at Geonosis.
Who?
Gonna have to ask again, who is the orders one strategist last time I checked jedi weren't good at any strategy at all
Oppo rancissis?
@@power-armoured_german9856 Correct
Skywalker and Kenobi ain't bad either....too bad they were busy being beaten up by Dooku.