@MaverickHenderson-u5n What? Why? It already has a taunt? That's literally why people mention it not having a taunt kill. Demo literally presents the caber and then swings it. That should just make him explode on hit.
Bushwacka wouldn't be that bad if Jarate was changed sooo... Just make recharge longer (30-40 seconds instead of 20), and make it unable to recharge via. resupply.
@@TideYT remember when they changed the weapon to punish the class that has the 2nd hardest time dealing with him for no fucking reason? haha... yea.... yea....
In my area (Eastern America), there is a guy named MeatMan who owns a collectors caber and has perfected the caber ways, he’s a cool guy too, and also scares the shit out of me.
1:46 yeah it would be insane if a long range class that's supposed to be weak at short range had a way to instantly one shot something in front of it. thank god we don't have that
Demoman ain't even a long range class unless you use quickie bombs. I mean a scout should know to stay out of melee range, they already have to worry about one shot random crits anyways
The sniper does not have a way to oneshot at close range outside of hitting an ace quickscope(which is skill based and fair) the jarate bushwacka combo isn't a one-shot you have to land the jarate and hit them in melee without dying miserably which isn't as easy as it seems.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that the reason why the GRU was nerfed was because the minicrit downside basically didn't apply when you were rolling out. They changed the downside to the health drain to force heavies to be smarter about when they deploy and holster it
@@ChaseSP1 It's a 'tragedy' because Heavy sucks ass to rollout with, and he dies incredibly quickly when focused at all. This means players wind up with a lot of downtime on Heavy. I think the problem is exacerbated by the Pyro getting the Powerjack, which does basically the same thing as the old GRU, except the extra damage taken penalty doesn't linger _and_ you get health on kill for some reason.
And yet the eviction notice was also applied to this nerf despite it encouraging you for combat. Like seriously vavle, what the hell were some of these changes. I get solarlight is explaining what vavle mindset for these changes, but i don't get some changes and not nerfing some weapons that need to be tone down like wrangler and vaccintor
@@irregularassassin6380 If you want to avoid GRU downside, just position yourself in the way that you won't take damage in a first place. It's not some "advanced technique", it's a basic gamesence for every heavy who want to play without pocket medic. And if you really want to rollout, you can use Steak Sandwich or pair GRU with Dalokosh bar
@@starmaker75 Yeah that change was fucking stupid, it was a fun melee gimmick weapon that wasn't problematic in any real way yet they decided to slap down the same drain as the GRU for reasons I cannot understand given any playtesting should've shown how bad the change made an already bad weapon.
But you see, Demo *REALLY STRUGGLES* against buildings, he doesn't have *ANY* options to take care of them in ~5 seconds... And that's why the Caber should deal double damage to buildings! -a certain indie game developer
@namelessmedicmain I believe the caber should get this rework: 90% less damage 80% slower swing speed 300% more damage to the user On hit: bleed for 8 seconds
I get this is a caber video but as someone who has been going hard on the B.A.S.E Jumper for about 2 years now (and one of those never even equipping the gunboats at any point). It thrills me to see a bigger name in the TF2 community like yourself shedding some love on it, and i'd be double omega thrilled if you made a full video on it. The world needs to know!
we need more tf2bers making videos talking about how less used weps are pretty decent actually, like the red tape, the caber, scottish resistance and even the base jumper!
@@taureon_ I ... I don't think there's any saving the Red Tape Recorder in its current state. That thing is, unfortunately, garbage. I really wish it was better, because I love the theming!
@@irregularassassin6380buff idea: enemies in proximity to sapped buildings have outline revealed. Or have it's sapping heal the spy like a lvl 1 dispenser
If I had a nickel for each time I heard about 4v4 Pass Time this week, I would have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that I've never heard about it prior
This is only tangentially related to the video but I just wanted to say that I always appreciate it when I see your comments responding to misinformed people on r/tf2. That subreddit is so goddamn annoying sometimes. I would do it myself but I don’t have the time or patience to get into arguments with people on the internet
15:24 why indeed? Is it because people need a scapegoat and it turned out that comp players “know more about balance” and “Valve listens to them more” therefore they can be blamed for weapon nerfs the casual community doesn't like?
literally everything in relation to casual tf2 players having a hateful anti-comp perception is born out of absolutely nothing and troves of fearmongering youtubers and players who shouldnt be allowed to have voice communication in tf2
It's a little exaggerated to say it's borne out of absolutely nothing when what is probably TF2's most controversial update, especially in regards to pub play (and therefore of great importance to casual players) was Meet your Match, the update that brought official competitive (lmao RIP) to the game, was supposedly play-tested by some comp players, and tried turning casual into competitive-lite. It's not that crazy of an idea that the competitive-focused update would have balance changes aimed at improving competitive play. It's also not that crazy to think that valve's balance changes even in the updates AFTER MyM would be influenced in some way by the official competitive gamemode they introduced. Perhaps those balance changes had nothing to do with competitive, or maybe they were Valve's piss-poor attempt at competitive balancing since they clearly have no idea what they're doing. Who knows. But thinking they had something to do with comp isn't completely insane, there's a logic there. "players who shouldnt be allowed to have voice communication in tf2" lame comment, bro
@@rofl22rofl22 if the balancing was at-all affected by comp players, things like the vaccinator and wrangler and diamondback would be getting nerfed, not guns comp players consider useless like bison and short stop
New idea: How about the Caber's on-kill effect does a 50-75% recharge on restoring the caber? You keep the idea of recharging the caber weapon while not relying on kills for the caber. This reduces the Caber's ability to benefit from multikills through recharges on what's effectively a bomb strapped to your chest. That way it won't be a busted goofy ahh weapon- instead just a goofy weapon. This could also synergize with the boots (or shields) in some way so that it takes up your other weapon slots but buffs the Caber's restore meter.
I appreciate your defense of the competitive scene. None of us asked for nerfs like the ones we got and none of us wanted the meet your match changes whatsoever
There's a really big mountain of evidence that it was because of the competitive scene. Meat your match was a wery obius atempt at turning tf2 into a esport.
@@tomas6621 you are conflating competitive players wanting official support to competitive with valve radically overhauling the game and making a bunch of changes that made nobody (incl. competitive players) asked for
@@tomas6621bro nobody wanted meet your match to be the way it is it's not competitive's fault that valve butchered the game in attempt to add official competitive mode especially with how terrible it is
THANK YOU for talking about something I've been internalizing for YEARS that people just make assumptions and complain about weapons they don't research how to use IT'S SO FRUSTRATING! I think you yourself saved me some stress when making some upcoming videos on weapons I planned to do but was worried how they'd be received since the weapons have such a negative bias to them but barely anyone in the tf2 community understands how to be tactical so they ask for buffs on weapons that they can't brainlessly use. Just, thank you so much.
I think that every single complaint about a weapon getting banned can be derived from the fact that people REALLY hate the fact that you can't redeploy the Base Jumper midair anymore
I am personally working on a caber video myself, FINALLY we see someone who truly understands the caber. "Its not about the money, its about (licks lips) sending a message. Everything KABLOOEY!" For real though, the caber is super underrated. 1 shotting a heavy or a soldier-medic combo is legitimately viable. Also at 9:07 you say that caber jumping is unviable, when it could not be further from the truth. Caber jumping can allow you to escape or "Perch" as I call it. Perching lets you drop out of the sky like a bird and one shot medics. I love caber surfing off of my enemies and landing on their heads for a killing blow.
9:30 The Roblox version (Typical Colors 2) has this exact idea. Although it's much harder to get crits because the only charge with crits doesn't let you turn (don't ask me why) you can kill a lot more, though the damage penalty is harsher (-54%) so killing heavies is harder. There's also mini-crit on blast jumping 💀.
I love when i use sticky jumper with the parachute and caber i just go zooming then hit a heavy deals cute mini crit damage then get mowed down by bullets
The one thing the Caber can be really good at is a tankier Hybrid Knight. You now carry what is essentially a pocket crit nade, which is an underrated opener/follow-up for a push when followed by 2-4 nades. You can clean house in 4 seconds solo if played right.
The B.A.S.E Jumper and GRU part reminds me of the Ambassador. People genuinely think it's worthless just because you can't be a Sniper with no tunnel vision, better mobility and with a get out of jail free card. As a Spy main who uses the Ambassador like 90% of the time, I would genuinely be pissed if they reverted it to the old version, it would just encourage a Spies to play like Sniper, and would be absolutely infuriating to fight against, honestly more infuriating than a quickscoping Sniper because atleast the Sniper has to scope in, Spy can just headshot.
@@randomperson7350 wow that 1% scenario of easily 2-shotting light classes (including razorback sniper!) and med is really carrying hard then. Ofc this is why we need mini sniper who can go invisible back.
@4lksk363 yeah, especially when the enforcer can literally kill a razor back sniper in the same amount of time. Hell, the shot fall off penalty with the amby means that the only way your able to 2 shot a medic is if your right infront of them and the enemy team is nowhere to be found. I wonder what other mechanic spy has that rewards this type of play 🤔 (Also the speed penalty this gun has makes it so 3 shots with a normal revolver and 2 shots with the amby are comparable, so your doing all this extra skill for even less reward 💔) Tldr: the amby was balanced and skilful b4 being nerfed to the ground, and now its the worst revolver in the game lol
I watched around 75% of this video without subtitles. TH-cam now automatically turned them on after I continued watching, and now I want to fully rewatch it. Amazing subtitles as always, I wish more channels would use them so creatively
I think the BASE Jumper has a bit of a "Almost nobody uses it because Banners and Shotguns are so good and therefore it must be bad"-induced perception problem. I'd love to see a video on it.
great vid, looking forward to the 6s vid. my only regret is that the week we played your 6s team in the last etf2l season your team had a sub demo instead of you so you couldnt farm clips off us
about the Base Jumper, I personally just miss being able to cancel fall damage with it when you were able to re-deploy it as often as you wanted. Now its either you take the aerial position and slowly float back down to avoid fall damage and eat all the damage that being a near sitting duck gets you, or release early, eat fall damage, and then have to go heal. Personally I never really thought it that bad when people could redeploy it as much as they wanted, but knowing how much it can impact just getting airshot by any projectile class, I just want it to have a fall damage negation or resistance so I don't have to worry about breaking my ankles when rocket jumps chunk so much of my available health.
A second redeploy should have just 0'd the user's horizontal velocity. Make them drop straight down, and cancel'd out any self-explosion knockback. Idk about more than two re-deploys though.
get good? like he said airstrafe and hit tilted surfaces, being able to redeploy constantly is insanely broken negating all fall damage with no downside.
i hate to say this but this is a genuine skill issue. good soldiers and demomen are able to jump in ways that minimize fall damage. you were using the base jumper as a crutch and now must actually learn how to mitigate fall damage with no training wheels. you still take WAY more damage than you would with gunboats, i really dont see the point youre trying to make.
"imagine super mario maker but with a screaming american" gives the the vibes of minecraft steve in smash bros simply because of the same building your own platform to gain an advantage mechanic, except steve doesnt use sand and falls with the platform and you cant hit him through it usually
Why is how most people play the game some sort of reason to look down upon them. I just feel that especially with the base jumper section it devolved into "People who play the game casually and others who liked how interesting the weapon was before it was nerfed are just bad at the game and shouldn't ask for the fun thing back because they are bad." Probably not the intended way that was supposed to come off and to an extent I agree the base jumper is still good but man it used to be so much more fun and you would see people use it more often. Just because it's ok now doesn't mean that we can't wish the what it used to be, despite it being a little dumb. Also *18:35* "Sniper would like to know your location, (Yes / No)" and to a lesser extent the entire enemy team.
I reckon its because they've never really considered the fact that most people playing games are never on the top of the leaderboard, they all assume that everyone can just get top score or top frags when just simply alot of people cant/dont care for it. Unsurprisingly people are playing this game for fun to get away from the stress of real life, thats the first reason most people play, they dont want to just sit there and stress themselves out to struggle to become better at a game. I want to because I like the stress and struggle I love that stuff, but I understand that everyone I'm above probably doesnt want to and is here for fun and whats always funny to point out to people is that most people playing in a match will have a really negative K:D ratio. By the end of the day saying "get better at the *insert advanced tec that most players cant do* and stop complaining that *insert weapon countered by the tec* is making the game unplayable for casual players" is a sure fire way to make your game dead, look at so many other shooters that never balanced things for the majority of players and only focused on top end player stats. We've got a long forgettable list of forgettable dead games for that.
The best way to use the caber is to hit your killbind if you kill a few people with the initial hit, or after you clean up. You got your value out, no need to stick it out longer. Instant trip back to base, fresh caber, fresh shield charge.
7:23 Holy shit, someone finally mentioned it! I fucking love that gamemode! Edit: Wait, I think Htwo did a video on it. 15:55 It's bad because you're basically a floating duck while mid-air. The mechanic itself is fine, the problem is you getting airshot in 3 seconds after you pull it out. If the enemy doesn't have any classes/players that could airshot you, it's really strong, but a normal match will almost always have some players that could airshot you at a moment's notice. The strafing is simply just too slow. I still find it really fun though. 16:39 Ambushing people from above is a legitimately good strategy with the base jumper... until you try to do it a second time. If the enemy doesn't suffer from short term memory loss doesn't suffer from short term memory loss, they'll remember what you did last time and act accordingly.
Solarlight wasn't cooking all that well with the B.A.S.E Jumper tangent to be honest. Yeah, TF2 players struggle to look up, but after you do funny parachute kills enough times in the same lobby people are gonna wise up to your shit and start to expect you, and when that happens the strafe speed is, as you said, entirely too slow to do anything. Any half-competent Sniper should be able to consistently headshot a Soldier who's only really moving in one direction and doing so incredibly slowly. It might take a couple of shots at most to hit one, but it's not like he's moving sporadically. You either have to use it at a height where it wouldn't realistically matter whether or not you had the parachute equipped, or you get one, maybe two, good clips of you absolutely destroying the enemy team with the parachute. It's high skill, sure, but it's also just not worth the skill investment unless you really find its hyper-specific playstyle fun. Soldier's shotguns are, in 99% of the instances you run into, going to be better than the parachute, and I won't even go into detail on how the banners are better.
If you have good movement, you can make it extremely difficult for any player to airshot you (even with the reduced air control). You also don't even need to restrict the base jumper to being an ambush tool, for soldier it is pretty much just free high ground and makes it incredibly easy to shoot players.
For the Base Jumper, Solar did fail to provide sufficient evidence to why the Base Jumper was nerfed. And the reason is simple. It was indeed high level play that was the reason for the nerf. As you say, the slow air speed does indeed allow players to have a much better chance at tracking and hitting the target, along with a predictable trajectory due to the fall speed. However, if you have the infinite redeploy like it used to have it becomes far easier for a skilled player to rapidly change how fast they are descending. It would make their movement far more unpredictable, and even drastically increase their chances of evading fire. Abuse of the redeploy would allow you to much more easily evade while airborne. It's hard to adequately describe why it was nerfed, but in essence, even in competitive play, the base jumper allowed for some of the most disgusting air movement. It was far more difficult to hit a good base jumper as a projectile class. They could dance around in the air, making any airshot attempt far less likely to hit.
The pass time ressurgence is coming. Fear the ball ye mortals for it has come with the taste for blood...well it will come in the first fourth of 2026 probably
A two hour video in the works? You spoil us, Solar! Especially as someone who loves to come back to your videos to use them as background noise while doing something else. I look forward to your next content, no matter how long it takes. I love hearing people dive into all the nitty gritty aspects of their favorite games, so I look forward to what you have planned.
the only reason people blame competitive for nerfs is because people hate competitive and playerbase around it but that's a whole can of worms im not willing to open
Tbh I 100% think the biggest issue most people have with comp is just how only 4 out of 9 classes tend to be used which is kind of lame for a lot of people
@@Svar3n2527 Tbh idc myself, just saying, if you want any actual opinion from me, I think that 6v6 comp should be treated as a completely different thing from regular tf2 and shouldnt really be accounted for in balance discussions
17:33 I played the game for one month and total time of 100h and I confidently can say that I can airstarf and e Rocket jump very good i can even ctap :)
One correction, yes comp players were the reason for the nerf because medic oneshotting is broken and ruined the flow of the game. They wanted the caber to not one shot medics, Valve saw it and just made it unable to consistently one shot anything.
@@SolarLightTbh I think the main issue people have is just it being inconsistent and due to it's lack of any real use on regular demoman, considering he barely has any actual unlocks outside of the pain train
@@SolarLight i would say that the GRU is an exapmple of valve making every body happy more or less. Problem in comp - heavy too fast to mid with no downside - solution, health drain. Comp is happy cause heavy who i fast has less health and casuals are happy because it is almost the same thing in casual. The caber just got hit way too hard. Let me one shot snipers without rolling a die every time T.T
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6d ago??
Wtf 6 days ago
I eat crayons
any demoknight tips?
Can you make a tutorial to the anaquilator on tipical colors PLS (the TF2 Roblox version)
The fact that the caber doesn't have a taunt kill is a crime in itself
Pitch idea for that taunt: Demo throws the caber at his feet after saying something like: "See ya in hell!"
The broken caber taunt kill should do pitifull damage while the full one should just straight up explode both players lol
@MaverickHenderson-u5n
What? Why?
It already has a taunt? That's literally why people mention it not having a taunt kill. Demo literally presents the caber and then swings it. That should just make him explode on hit.
Pretty sure that taunt used to kill but got broken in an update and never fixed lol
@@eggonog from what i know it was the bottles beta taunt kill and it never really worked in the first place.
A sober person would throw it, a drunk person throws themself
mfs be sayin the dumbest thing on a battlefield is the bullet?? bros, i AM the bullet!!!
@@jeremypanjaitan4039but no one outsmart bullet, how bullet stupid
Demoman became one with his explosives
I swear I thought caber blast said CANCER BLAST
That's too op
Sounds like an great weapon
lmao
Cell. I'm not gonna let you get away with this, Cell...
If I ever somehow end up with a Strange Caber I'm naming it that
"Demoman got his Caber nerfed to counterbalance his medium-ranged capability"
The only Long/Infinite range class with his piss:
Bushwacka wouldn't be that bad if Jarate was changed sooo... Just make recharge longer (30-40 seconds instead of 20), and make it unable to recharge via. resupply.
@@bounter_I feel like the Jarate/Bushwacka falls into the balance category of "Fundamentally a mistake"
Remember when valve gave sniper a weapon that lets him tank headshots and then left it like that for years?
Haha... good times
@@TideYT remember when they changed the weapon to punish the class that has the 2nd hardest time dealing with him for no fucking reason? haha... yea.... yea....
@@budgetcommander4849they could change the crits to a speed boost or health on kill against players covered in piss
In my area (Eastern America), there is a guy named MeatMan who owns a collectors caber and has perfected the caber ways, he’s a cool guy too, and also scares the shit out of me.
Thanks for warning us that MeatMan is not to be trifled with
Bro lives in Electronic Arts
@@youraverageenclavesoldierbro what
@@n3onYT-valk EA
East Asia?
The caber is like actual drinking, you think your doing great by killing everyone on the cart, but now you're in court for killing a family of 4.
1:46 yeah it would be insane if a long range class that's supposed to be weak at short range had a way to instantly one shot something in front of it. thank god we don't have that
Yeah, thank god sniper doesn't have any such melee and/or secondary wepons, otherwise we would be doomed.
Thank God we don't have a weapon for close-range class that can shoot a cross the map and set on the fire entire team with a single shot.
Demoman ain't even a long range class unless you use quickie bombs.
I mean a scout should know to stay out of melee range, they already have to worry about one shot random crits anyways
@absolutezerochill2700 demoman is a long ranged class in comparison to other classes that arent the sniper
The sniper does not have a way to oneshot at close range outside of hitting an ace quickscope(which is skill based and fair) the jarate bushwacka combo isn't a one-shot you have to land the jarate and hit them in melee without dying miserably which isn't as easy as it seems.
6:45 Funny weapon does make funny ragdolls
Caber goes brrrr
@@DEWILL caberknight with tf_playergib set to 0 is an experience no one should ever miss out on
Eyyy Dewill! Miss you a lot!
When is new vid?
@@morganstange3995 Caber goes KA-BOOM
The Mvm guy
edgebug jumpscare
wait its franz thats the guy that unboxed thje pussy pattern, this guy loves pushing positivity
Source game TH-camrs can be cyclically referential to one another, it’s very cool
It's him
Franazjaaaaaaaay
hit da edgebug peeeta
4V4 PASSTIME MENTIONED!!!!!!!!!!
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p4sstime is an rgl psyop
passtimee!!!!
I LOVE PASSTIME!!!!!
Hwho my beloved
Knew you would be around after hearing that sexy voice.
I'm surprised you didn't mention that the reason why the GRU was nerfed was because the minicrit downside basically didn't apply when you were rolling out. They changed the downside to the health drain to force heavies to be smarter about when they deploy and holster it
They made the GRU into a weapon you can use on the front for quick mobility instead of a free rollout and apparently this is a tragedy against tf2.
@@ChaseSP1 It's a 'tragedy' because Heavy sucks ass to rollout with, and he dies incredibly quickly when focused at all. This means players wind up with a lot of downtime on Heavy.
I think the problem is exacerbated by the Pyro getting the Powerjack, which does basically the same thing as the old GRU, except the extra damage taken penalty doesn't linger _and_ you get health on kill for some reason.
And yet the eviction notice was also applied to this nerf despite it encouraging you for combat. Like seriously vavle, what the hell were some of these changes. I get solarlight is explaining what vavle mindset for these changes, but i don't get some changes and not nerfing some weapons that need to be tone down like wrangler and vaccintor
@@irregularassassin6380 If you want to avoid GRU downside, just position yourself in the way that you won't take damage in a first place. It's not some "advanced technique", it's a basic gamesence for every heavy who want to play without pocket medic. And if you really want to rollout, you can use Steak Sandwich or pair GRU with Dalokosh bar
@@starmaker75 Yeah that change was fucking stupid, it was a fun melee gimmick weapon that wasn't problematic in any real way yet they decided to slap down the same drain as the GRU for reasons I cannot understand given any playtesting should've shown how bad the change made an already bad weapon.
I love how mid way it's not even about the caber anymore just expanded into base jumper then we went to heavy melees ect. And an kinda here for it
POV: You're a drugged-up Sentry Buster looking for a sentry-shaped heavy boi
But you see, Demo *REALLY STRUGGLES* against buildings, he doesn't have *ANY* options to take care of them in ~5 seconds... And that's why the Caber should deal double damage to buildings!
-a certain indie game developer
@namelessmedicmain Who?
@namelessmedicmain I believe the caber should get this rework:
90% less damage
80% slower swing speed
300% more damage to the user
On hit: bleed for 8 seconds
@@lucas_br9592
BUFFED
@@lucas_br9592 100% less random critical hits
"I'm aiming higher"
OMG! He's pissing on the Moon!!!
I get this is a caber video but as someone who has been going hard on the B.A.S.E Jumper for about 2 years now (and one of those never even equipping the gunboats at any point). It thrills me to see a bigger name in the TF2 community like yourself shedding some love on it, and i'd be double omega thrilled if you made a full video on it. The world needs to know!
we need more tf2bers making videos talking about how less used weps are pretty decent actually, like the red tape, the caber, scottish resistance and even the base jumper!
@@taureon_ I ... I don't think there's any saving the Red Tape Recorder in its current state. That thing is, unfortunately, garbage. I really wish it was better, because I love the theming!
Wait are u saying u like the base jumper or dont like it cuz i cant tell wich one u mean by going hard on it
@@irregularassassin6380buff idea: enemies in proximity to sapped buildings have outline revealed.
Or have it's sapping heal the spy like a lvl 1 dispenser
If I had a nickel for each time I heard about 4v4 Pass Time this week, I would have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that I've never heard about it prior
oneshot spotted
join the dark side
What was the other time
Exactly
@@Bupboy h (which was in this video) made a essay type video on 4v4 pass time
5:07 ''all our food keep blowing up''-solarlight
Infestation of caberknights imminent
caberknight tf2
we have been summoned
gonna caberknight next time i play tf2 now
As god(Solarlight) intended
AAAAAAARRRGHHH......KAABOOOM! 💥💥💥
I thing the caber should also frag the demoman (he respawns so he can get the caber again faster)
oh and bonus damage to buildings, that sounds good as well
@@flamingscar5263Yeah demoman has such a problem dealing with buildings
8 seconds bleed (on yourself)
@@Svar3n2527 (In real life)
Oh hush
21:41 Looking forward to the death battle of the patrons
Glad to see I'm on the correct side for that then. :3
This is only tangentially related to the video but I just wanted to say that I always appreciate it when I see your comments responding to misinformed people on r/tf2. That subreddit is so goddamn annoying sometimes. I would do it myself but I don’t have the time or patience to get into arguments with people on the internet
15:24 why indeed? Is it because people need a scapegoat and it turned out that comp players “know more about balance” and “Valve listens to them more” therefore they can be blamed for weapon nerfs the casual community doesn't like?
literally everything in relation to casual tf2 players having a hateful anti-comp perception is born out of absolutely nothing and troves of fearmongering youtubers and players who shouldnt be allowed to have voice communication in tf2
It's a little exaggerated to say it's borne out of absolutely nothing when what is probably TF2's most controversial update, especially in regards to pub play (and therefore of great importance to casual players) was Meet your Match, the update that brought official competitive (lmao RIP) to the game, was supposedly play-tested by some comp players, and tried turning casual into competitive-lite.
It's not that crazy of an idea that the competitive-focused update would have balance changes aimed at improving competitive play. It's also not that crazy to think that valve's balance changes even in the updates AFTER MyM would be influenced in some way by the official competitive gamemode they introduced.
Perhaps those balance changes had nothing to do with competitive, or maybe they were Valve's piss-poor attempt at competitive balancing since they clearly have no idea what they're doing. Who knows. But thinking they had something to do with comp isn't completely insane, there's a logic there.
"players who shouldnt be allowed to have voice communication in tf2"
lame comment, bro
@@rofl22rofl22 if the balancing was at-all affected by comp players, things like the vaccinator and wrangler and diamondback would be getting nerfed, not guns comp players consider useless like bison and short stop
Hope this video gets pass time back into relevancy
passtimeeee!!!
i got an advertisment so i couldnt see the thumbnail but i know EXACTLY what it looks like lmao
New idea: How about the Caber's on-kill effect does a 50-75% recharge on restoring the caber?
You keep the idea of recharging the caber weapon while not relying on kills for the caber. This reduces the Caber's ability to benefit from multikills through recharges on what's effectively a bomb strapped to your chest. That way it won't be a busted goofy ahh weapon- instead just a goofy weapon.
This could also synergize with the boots (or shields) in some way so that it takes up your other weapon slots but buffs the Caber's restore meter.
4:43 Other times we get Purple!
I appreciate your defense of the competitive scene. None of us asked for nerfs like the ones we got and none of us wanted the meet your match changes whatsoever
There's a really big mountain of evidence that it was because of the competitive scene. Meat your match was a wery obius atempt at turning tf2 into a esport.
@@tomas6621 you are conflating competitive players wanting official support to competitive with valve radically overhauling the game and making a bunch of changes that made nobody (incl. competitive players) asked for
@@tomas6621bro nobody wanted meet your match to be the way it is it's not competitive's fault that valve butchered the game in attempt to add official competitive mode especially with how terrible it is
just jazz spotted ‼️‼️
@@ktaeoh my man
13:20 can't believe the what
"iTS SOLARLII-" -lazyderpl
Thanks for putting in the time to make your captions look nice
Greatly appreciated
What if we upload a balance change and disguise it as a bugfix. Like "Fixed the bug where the Caber doesn't re-charge after after getting a kill"
THANK YOU for talking about something I've been internalizing for YEARS that people just make assumptions and complain about weapons they don't research how to use IT'S SO FRUSTRATING! I think you yourself saved me some stress when making some upcoming videos on weapons I planned to do but was worried how they'd be received since the weapons have such a negative bias to them but barely anyone in the tf2 community understands how to be tactical so they ask for buffs on weapons that they can't brainlessly use. Just, thank you so much.
now i wanna start playing base jumper soldier, been doing the direct hit panic attack combo for a bit, so good to have some change
At first glance I didn’t realise this was a solar light video, but I noticed the Cabre and TF2 damage numbers, then I double looked, I was like huh?
I think that every single complaint about a weapon getting banned can be derived from the fact that people REALLY hate the fact that you can't redeploy the Base Jumper midair anymore
I am personally working on a caber video myself, FINALLY we see someone who truly understands the caber. "Its not about the money, its about (licks lips) sending a message. Everything KABLOOEY!" For real though, the caber is super underrated. 1 shotting a heavy or a soldier-medic combo is legitimately viable. Also at 9:07 you say that caber jumping is unviable, when it could not be further from the truth. Caber jumping can allow you to escape or "Perch" as I call it. Perching lets you drop out of the sky like a bird and one shot medics. I love caber surfing off of my enemies and landing on their heads for a killing blow.
0:24 why does it say ''deer marketplace" on the sign?
It its a place for deers to market
Meat
Probably a butcher shop or a meat locker.
Peak
Peak marketplace
‘Negates the main weakness of his class’
*sniper laughing with Jarate, or Jarate/bushwacka, and quickscopes in the corner*
9:30 The Roblox version (Typical Colors 2) has this exact idea. Although it's much harder to get crits because the only charge with crits doesn't let you turn (don't ask me why) you can kill a lot more, though the damage penalty is harsher (-54%) so killing heavies is harder. There's also mini-crit on blast jumping 💀.
I love when i use sticky jumper with the parachute and caber i just go zooming then hit a heavy deals cute mini crit damage then get mowed down by bullets
Wait its a mini? I though it was crit im very blind
1 or 2 years ago
People were complaining about the mini crit/crit charge alot (with the other shields) so they decided to remove them
The one thing the Caber can be really good at is a tankier Hybrid Knight. You now carry what is essentially a pocket crit nade, which is an underrated opener/follow-up for a push when followed by 2-4 nades. You can clean house in 4 seconds solo if played right.
I like youtubers that make epic subtitles
only the demoman would have a melee weapon with damage falloff
The B.A.S.E Jumper and GRU part reminds me of the Ambassador. People genuinely think it's worthless just because you can't be a Sniper with no tunnel vision, better mobility and with a get out of jail free card.
As a Spy main who uses the Ambassador like 90% of the time, I would genuinely be pissed if they reverted it to the old version, it would just encourage a Spies to play like Sniper, and would be absolutely infuriating to fight against, honestly more infuriating than a quickscoping Sniper because atleast the Sniper has to scope in, Spy can just headshot.
You're wrong
No, it's worthless bc in 99 percent of other situation u could use the ambassador in, stock is just better. The amby sucks now lol
@@randomperson7350 wow that 1% scenario of easily 2-shotting light classes (including razorback sniper!) and med is really carrying hard then.
Ofc this is why we need mini sniper who can go invisible back.
@@randomperson7350 I mean ofc and unlockable weapon that has a potential to outperform stock wouldn't be as reliable as stock duh
@4lksk363 yeah, especially when the enforcer can literally kill a razor back sniper in the same amount of time. Hell, the shot fall off penalty with the amby means that the only way your able to 2 shot a medic is if your right infront of them and the enemy team is nowhere to be found. I wonder what other mechanic spy has that rewards this type of play 🤔 (Also the speed penalty this gun has makes it so 3 shots with a normal revolver and 2 shots with the amby are comparable, so your doing all this extra skill for even less reward 💔)
Tldr: the amby was balanced and skilful b4 being nerfed to the ground, and now its the worst revolver in the game lol
after using the caber for almost 300 hours i didnt even know some of this stuff
Youre probably the only demoknight that can make the caber work , literally .
Counterpoint: research is hard, and common wisdom is a vessel for false confidence.
19:15 wtf why is the entire population of scotland in ur game
I watched around 75% of this video without subtitles. TH-cam now automatically turned them on after I continued watching, and now I want to fully rewatch it.
Amazing subtitles as always, I wish more channels would use them so creatively
19:59 CAN WE GET MUCH HIGHER.🗣
I think the BASE Jumper has a bit of a "Almost nobody uses it because Banners and Shotguns are so good and therefore it must be bad"-induced perception problem. I'd love to see a video on it.
incredible thumbnail and title more people should do this
7:12 The cutter alone is why i fear medieval mode
8:09 is that the famous TH-camr H*H also known as H^2??!!?
7:26 you fool, ive already watched the comp 4v4 passtime deep dive video by Htwo
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the "stoicism" name on the caber is some nice subtle foreshadowing for the pass time part of the video
speaking of, i really like that bigger creators are talking about pass time, hopefully it gets more popular
The best title and thumbnail ever
I think it’s really cool that you show your viewers 6s is out there bro
3:45 caught me off guard
8:22
Owww my Eyes!!!
So clean but so bright
In summary: Caber is the best melee weapon ever anyway man
Is just that ppl dont rly know how to use it correctly thats all
TF2 desperately needs an overhaul / new balancing for unused weapons like the Bison for example. That shit was actually being used back then lol
13:21 Yahi jumpscare
The competetive side of TF2 video from your perspective will be something else.
7:00 A PHIL SWIFT REFERENCE??? IN THIS ECONOMY?????
18:32 I heard that Black Knight victory jingle. I see you Solar.
hey solar, can you finally release your updated hud? please?
menus are not done :( and I'm adding an in-the-corners option like how the default hud is laid out
Fix idea: 0 damage, 300% knockback, always explosive.
5:29 ad skip
No
@@wiliamandy Yes.
@@wiliamandyYes
great vid, looking forward to the 6s vid. my only regret is that the week we played your 6s team in the last etf2l season your team had a sub demo instead of you so you couldnt farm clips off us
about the Base Jumper, I personally just miss being able to cancel fall damage with it when you were able to re-deploy it as often as you wanted. Now its either you take the aerial position and slowly float back down to avoid fall damage and eat all the damage that being a near sitting duck gets you, or release early, eat fall damage, and then have to go heal. Personally I never really thought it that bad when people could redeploy it as much as they wanted, but knowing how much it can impact just getting airshot by any projectile class, I just want it to have a fall damage negation or resistance so I don't have to worry about breaking my ankles when rocket jumps chunk so much of my available health.
A second redeploy should have just 0'd the user's horizontal velocity. Make them drop straight down, and cancel'd out any self-explosion knockback.
Idk about more than two re-deploys though.
get good? like he said airstrafe and hit tilted surfaces, being able to redeploy constantly is insanely broken negating all fall damage with no downside.
It’s a high-risk weapon, you’re going above the enemy to shoot them. It’s ok (from a balance perspective) for it to be unsafe when you land.
i hate to say this but this is a genuine skill issue. good soldiers and demomen are able to jump in ways that minimize fall damage. you were using the base jumper as a crutch and now must actually learn how to mitigate fall damage with no training wheels. you still take WAY more damage than you would with gunboats, i really dont see the point youre trying to make.
Caber could never 1 shot Medics tho. It always did 149 max damage.
"imagine super mario maker but with a screaming american"
gives the the vibes of minecraft steve in smash bros simply because of the same building your own platform to gain an advantage mechanic, except steve doesnt use sand and falls with the platform and you cant hit him through it usually
Why is how most people play the game some sort of reason to look down upon them. I just feel that especially with the base jumper section it devolved into "People who play the game casually and others who liked how interesting the weapon was before it was nerfed are just bad at the game and shouldn't ask for the fun thing back because they are bad."
Probably not the intended way that was supposed to come off and to an extent I agree the base jumper is still good but man it used to be so much more fun and you would see people use it more often. Just because it's ok now doesn't mean that we can't wish the what it used to be, despite it being a little dumb.
Also *18:35* "Sniper would like to know your location, (Yes / No)" and to a lesser extent the entire enemy team.
I reckon its because they've never really considered the fact that most people playing games are never on the top of the leaderboard, they all assume that everyone can just get top score or top frags when just simply alot of people cant/dont care for it.
Unsurprisingly people are playing this game for fun to get away from the stress of real life, thats the first reason most people play, they dont want to just sit there and stress themselves out to struggle to become better at a game.
I want to because I like the stress and struggle I love that stuff, but I understand that everyone I'm above probably doesnt want to and is here for fun and whats always funny to point out to people is that most people playing in a match will have a really negative K:D ratio.
By the end of the day saying "get better at the *insert advanced tec that most players cant do* and stop complaining that *insert weapon countered by the tec* is making the game unplayable for casual players" is a sure fire way to make your game dead, look at so many other shooters that never balanced things for the majority of players and only focused on top end player stats.
We've got a long forgettable list of forgettable dead games for that.
I think the shields checking for “wrench” might be for the truly all class melee weapons like the prinny machete and necro-smasher
So youre telling me you got alot of kills in the Persian Persuader (that is my main melee weapon in HybridKnight)
How do you play hybridknight with that sword if you are left with like 7 pipes? Serious question
@enn1924 my loadout, my rules
The best way to use the caber is to hit your killbind if you kill a few people with the initial hit, or after you clean up. You got your value out, no need to stick it out longer. Instant trip back to base, fresh caber, fresh shield charge.
It's okay solar light us htwo fans know what pass time is
real ones are playing passtime now!!!
In all fairness, comp 4v4 passtime is the GOAT ‼️
7:23 Holy shit, someone finally mentioned it! I fucking love that gamemode!
Edit: Wait, I think Htwo did a video on it.
15:55 It's bad because you're basically a floating duck while mid-air. The mechanic itself is fine, the problem is you getting airshot in 3 seconds after you pull it out. If the enemy doesn't have any classes/players that could airshot you, it's really strong, but a normal match will almost always have some players that could airshot you at a moment's notice. The strafing is simply just too slow. I still find it really fun though.
16:39 Ambushing people from above is a legitimately good strategy with the base jumper... until you try to do it a second time. If the enemy doesn't suffer from short term memory loss doesn't suffer from short term memory loss, they'll remember what you did last time and act accordingly.
that second point assumes the enemy players look up, which people generally don't, that was solar's entire god damn point, *PEOPLE DO NOT LOOK UP*
Solarlight wasn't cooking all that well with the B.A.S.E Jumper tangent to be honest. Yeah, TF2 players struggle to look up, but after you do funny parachute kills enough times in the same lobby people are gonna wise up to your shit and start to expect you, and when that happens the strafe speed is, as you said, entirely too slow to do anything. Any half-competent Sniper should be able to consistently headshot a Soldier who's only really moving in one direction and doing so incredibly slowly. It might take a couple of shots at most to hit one, but it's not like he's moving sporadically. You either have to use it at a height where it wouldn't realistically matter whether or not you had the parachute equipped, or you get one, maybe two, good clips of you absolutely destroying the enemy team with the parachute.
It's high skill, sure, but it's also just not worth the skill investment unless you really find its hyper-specific playstyle fun. Soldier's shotguns are, in 99% of the instances you run into, going to be better than the parachute, and I won't even go into detail on how the banners are better.
If you have good movement, you can make it extremely difficult for any player to airshot you (even with the reduced air control). You also don't even need to restrict the base jumper to being an ambush tool, for soldier it is pretty much just free high ground and makes it incredibly easy to shoot players.
For the Base Jumper, Solar did fail to provide sufficient evidence to why the Base Jumper was nerfed. And the reason is simple. It was indeed high level play that was the reason for the nerf. As you say, the slow air speed does indeed allow players to have a much better chance at tracking and hitting the target, along with a predictable trajectory due to the fall speed.
However, if you have the infinite redeploy like it used to have it becomes far easier for a skilled player to rapidly change how fast they are descending. It would make their movement far more unpredictable, and even drastically increase their chances of evading fire. Abuse of the redeploy would allow you to much more easily evade while airborne. It's hard to adequately describe why it was nerfed, but in essence, even in competitive play, the base jumper allowed for some of the most disgusting air movement. It was far more difficult to hit a good base jumper as a projectile class. They could dance around in the air, making any airshot attempt far less likely to hit.
@@sirminty8495so it was a compy focused nerf?
Zephaniah Mann forced to look Solar ball with democaber 24/7
The pass time ressurgence is coming. Fear the ball ye mortals for it has come with the taste for blood...well it will come in the first fourth of 2026 probably
passtiiiiiime!!!!
passssstiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimeeeeeeee!!
A two hour video in the works? You spoil us, Solar! Especially as someone who loves to come back to your videos to use them as background noise while doing something else. I look forward to your next content, no matter how long it takes. I love hearing people dive into all the nitty gritty aspects of their favorite games, so I look forward to what you have planned.
Can't wait for the Demoknight TF2 High Impact Competitive Sweap feature length film on blueray with dvd fastplay
Bro I bought a £20 caber a month ago thanks for the tutorial vid. Not enough people appreciate caber knight tf2
the only reason people blame competitive for nerfs is because people hate competitive and playerbase around it but that's a whole can of worms im not willing to open
Tbh I 100% think the biggest issue most people have with comp is just how only 4 out of 9 classes tend to be used which is kind of lame for a lot of people
@Bluestk that also might be a reason why though I don't want to add fuel to a fire I have nothing to do with it
@@Bluestkyou can use all 9 classes just find a team that will tolerate it and also there's highlander which is designed for each class
@@Svar3n2527 Tbh idc myself, just saying, if you want any actual opinion from me, I think that 6v6 comp should be treated as a completely different thing from regular tf2 and shouldnt really be accounted for in balance discussions
10/10 would eat while watching this video again
The editing continues to evolve
17:33 I played the game for one month and total time of 100h and I confidently can say that I can airstarf and e
Rocket jump very good i can even ctap :)
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I really love how you have done the captions! No one really cares about them these days, so its nice to see someone doing this much for the community!
13:21 sorry what did yahi say?
(the japanese just says caber blast for anyone wondering)
funni bomb stick go brr
5:35 Slipstream from the Gran Turismo 3 OST for anyone wondering!!
banger soundtrack!! listen to the whole thing while you're there!!
One correction, yes comp players were the reason for the nerf because medic oneshotting is broken and ruined the flow of the game. They wanted the caber to not one shot medics, Valve saw it and just made it unable to consistently one shot anything.
tbh it's equally possible that valve just didn't like it one-shotting medics given how tedious medic already is to play
@@SolarLightTbh I think the main issue people have is just it being inconsistent and due to it's lack of any real use on regular demoman, considering he barely has any actual unlocks outside of the pain train
@@SolarLight i would say that the GRU is an exapmple of valve making every body happy more or less. Problem in comp - heavy too fast to mid with no downside - solution, health drain. Comp is happy cause heavy who i fast has less health and casuals are happy because it is almost the same thing in casual. The caber just got hit way too hard. Let me one shot snipers without rolling a die every time T.T
10:23 solar light turned into solar flare
Evolve
3:02 typo spotted, video ruined -rep
Competitive 4v4 passtime actually sounds rad af, how have I never heard of that before
hop on passtimee!!!!