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any sissy players that keep complaining and want "rebalance" to weapons and game just have skill issues 😂 if you can't adapt to a game or counter enemy team with current weapons they should just consider alt + f4
"The Dead Ringer. Many consider this watch to be unfun and annoying to fight against, so i thought of a change that would fix those issues. So now, when you take damage with the dead ringer out, instead of faking your death and going invisible, you will bleed for 8 seconds. This helps you die faster so you can respawn with the dead ringer fully charged. Buffed."
I think the enforcer is more stupid because he said THE ENFORCER WAS BUFFED, you could argue the scorch shot was nerfed due to losing the stun, BUT THE ENFORCER WAS UNQUESTIONABLY NERFED
It should be "Le Tortionnaire", since it's torturing both you for using it, and the enemy as they are forced to constantly bleed due to you spamming it at them whenever they get a health pack
Ullapool Caber: -10% swing speed, -40% weapon switch penalty. Press the reload key when the charge meter is full to perform a special melee attack (explodes on hit, 200 damage). Recharges in 30s. Meter is emptied on respawn.
Nothing, NOTHING prepared me for the dangershield change. Imagine charging a sniper as a demoknight and just before you hit him, he just fucking goes to the moon.
He is subconsciously making each class have a "fat scout" sub-class the snout with huntsman and his Darwins danger shield the new natasha heavy as onther example
I’d honestly be okay with the Enforcer losing its damage buff on decloak and instead bleeding on decloak instead. That would be kinda cool. Not this abomination tho.
Honestly, that's what pisses me off about the video. The sheer confidence he has in his own awful ideas. Like he seriously thinks Valve should hire him for these GALAXY BRAIN buffs. I can only imagine he's got a blood fetish. Or bleeding in his own brain.
The Caber change is actually a deep diss to valve: as the demo dies and respawns, the engi will have built a new sentry, the demo will forever be on a treadmill of destroying, dying, respawn and doing it all over again
Every time I rewatch this video I always forget that it’s initially just Blue and Fish enjoying semi-reasonable heavy reworks and that it eventually turns into basically a group of dudes grouped around a single monitor all cracking up at the Bleed Update of Summer 2025
I thought his idea for the family business was pretty good. The heavy being able to fire long range shotgun shots and using the speed boost to help him get closer to the fight seems cool. I would just rework it so that it is a higher damage single shot weapon that gives a boost duration more akin to the big earner so it is more meant for repositioning than fat scouting
You laugh, but this is literally what valve did in mvm for the huntsman when they replaced the explosive headshot upgrade with a bleed on hit upgrade for no logical reason
@@slysamuel5902id say its a good change for the huntsman, because you can swap aoe damage for very large amounts of damage (stacked bleeds) on certain targets
unironically not a bad sounding weapon - obviously eating it is pointless but giving up your secondary slot in exchange for basically instant respawn time could work
Don't forget that everything suggested doesn't address the main grip people have with the class which is them being able to quick-scope light classes if they get close.
@@umcThunder72I've seen it pretty commonly? I mean you also need to deal with jarate and bushwacka to fix the problem of sniper being powerful at every range but it's a component of the issue.
The whole "Razorback exploding into piss" gimmick reminds me of a community weapon called "Urine Trouble", an oversized drain urine bag that does exactly that; it soaks the spy with jarate upon backstab
“Sniper’s biggest problem is when great players abuse him. So anyway I intentionally made the nerfs to sniper able to be completely bypassed by great players specifically.”
Okay, hear me out. *Hitman's Heatmaker:* Fires invisible rounds (except during Focus). -40% damage. Headshots mini-crit instead of critting. *Cozy Camper:* +100% primary ammo (brings it back to 25). -10% speed. -10% charge rate. It's probably still bullsh!t anyway, but in a "okay, you get to bypass the normal nerfs I placed on snipers, but you'll get entirely different nerfs" kind of way.
I remember someone saying "This guy is a fucking vampire! He adds the bleed effect to every weapon!" Seems like a good description of his balances, that and the horrible spy nerfs
@@VortexFsnipers can just put on the cozy camper so wouldn't matter and scout does it so much better and a Pyro who made it his life mission to harass light classes
> Lowers Scout's max HP to where 8 of 9 classes can one-shot him. > Makes health packs dropped FULL health packs, so you might accidentally full heal an enemy heavy with a pick attempt. *BUFFED.*
@@Jorvalt Hopefully so, but given his other edits, I'm not assuming. Even if that's the case...You can still be clapped in one hit by almost every class in the game. Only medics can't kill you in one shot without a crit. Technically heavies, too...But that minigun will still shred you before you can get away if you're even mid-range.
@@RookMeAmadeus It is only for scout, I'm pretty sure--although it was talked over--he said that the scout gets full health from ALL health packs too. Not just dropping full hp packs.
Maybe they imagined that their new weapon would better suit their class playstyle Or maybe they imagined that their class playstyle would be forced to change, to fit the new weapon balance This is why subclasses are often correct
@@tronmerncutsman although some people may have made mistakes. They may have created an ideal weapon that bears no relation to the concept of game balance. They may have created an ideal weapon based on some childish whim, or momentary impulse.
New minigun idea: - 69% Ammo Capacity - 100% Damage - 60% slower firing speed + While bullets do not deal immediate damage, they instead inflict 8 seconds of bleed
Reminds me of that one meme where a guy get's a really questionable-distance backstab and it just cuts to the "Meet The Team" music with a spy's 5-foot-long arm
@lambsauce5312 The proc is the random critical bleed damage on all the weapons he added bleed to but not "no random Crits" to (which I'm pretty sure is all of them).
That was a very quick turn around from "the changes range from good to whatever, why is everyone complaining?" to "These changes are terrible and would wreck the game."
The first few changes include a few i really want in the game, and are all very reasonable with a few being angles I've never seen before and actually found genius, i got really confused at the comments saying it was bonkers for the first 5 minutes of the video...
On the other hand bleed wasn't quite utilised in the game Avenging dying wish, curse murder a slow death Something like that potentially bake into melee core gameplay instead of instant kill rolling
@@longpants108 yeah, I was proposing to make this bleed stack. That's what I meant with "but the bleed stacks". Maybe I was a little unclear, I'll grant you that
Most egregious thing about "L'Executioner" is (as someone in the comments pointed out) not even "executing" anything You're relying on DoT to kill them, that doesn't make you an executioner, IT MAKES YOU A FUCKING SADIST.
If he was going for the Machina tracer rounds angle with the Sniper Rifles, then why not invert the Heatmaker? Have it fire off tracer rounds normally, then fire off "stealth" rounds when in Focus mode. Would it be very annoying still? Yeah, but at least you know the Sniper player _earned_ the right to be annoying for 10 seconds, instead of earning the right to show the entire enemy team where their hiding spot is.
Hell, part of issue of truly great snipers is that they can rapidly kill several players with quick scopes, making it deal less on body shots and tracer on charged shots just *incentivizes that playstyle* Least the inverse has player work to play into weapons visual design as a stealthy sniper if you want to use it to fullest
This feels like somebody that played TF2 a decade ago, heard about all the new updates from their friends, wrote the video, THEN played the game, and slowly during editing realized how wrong they were, but refused to change it.
Man if only Pyro had a weapon that rapidly fired a large cone of projectiles which inflict afterburn. Good thing this reworked Scorch Shot is here to save the day.
Honestly, this is sounds like the most crazy shit ever You hop into a game and there's ninja snipers in cheeky spots everywhere, pyros are in a chokepoint creating a surprise touhou game. Heavy is speedhacking around the map, engineer is depressed his sentry gun is useless, spy is crying in a dark corner somewhere next to engineer. Half your team is caberknights constantly killbinding (They found a faster way to die than charging with their caber). And one free to play pyro on the team is happy he can finally bleed people with his fire axe.
this guy's balances are like: "so your weapon has this bad side and this good side right? Then now it's bad side is 2x as bad and it's good side is 2x as good"
i love how when everyone was trying to predict the change to the volcano fragment, the screen starting zooming in on the bleed killfeed. And everyone just recoiled in horror
You know what changes like the Eureka Effect reminded me of? Reading through the framedata and strategies regarding characters from JoJo: Heritage For The Future. You'd go through an entire list of utterly sick-nasty stuff that'd be absolutely broken in any other fighting game, only to get hit by "yeah also over half the cast is immune against his gameplan for most of the match lmao, he's bottom tier and if you throw someone, you get killed for hitting a move". The whiplash is palpable.
@@Spacebugg Hol Horse is pretty much exactly what I described here. His whole gameplan centers around knocking the opponent down and hitting them with nasty setups, often involving his glass shots (he can shoot the ceiling to make glass fall down). You have to block them standing, and since he can move as they fall, he can simultaneously hit you with a move you'd have to block crouching. So you're getting hit either way, it's unblockable. Same applies to his unblockable Slow Bullet super, if he shoots that thing out while you're on the ground and places it on top of you, you're eating the hit as soon as you get up. Nothing you can do about it, because you can't do anything but block for the first frame after you wake up from a knockdown in this game. Slow Bullet is an absurd move in general, it's what gives Hol a fighting chance. All in all, if Hol gets a good start, he can often just end the round from there by looping these things, and he also boasts suprisingly high chip damage. The problem is that a large chunk of the cast can just... turn both of these win conditions off. "Active Stand" characters can summon their stand to fight with them, and while it's out, they don't take chip and can't be knocked down. Same applies to Weapon Stand characters if I recall correctly. Meaning Hol, lacking great ways to open people up, has to resort to running away, zoning and trying to sneak hits in. But while his kit _is_ geared towards that, the low damage he gets off of hitting you if he can't do his loops makes this a very tough situation for him. The fact that Active Stand characters tend to be higher on the tier list doesn't help either. And yeah, his throw just... let's the opponent recover way earlier than you. They can punish you for landing it. I don't know why they made it that way.
@@Spacebugg all you need to know is that a bird is the best character in a game where you can play as a psychic timestoping vampire, a fortune teller that controls a flame-humanoid-bird, a swordsman controlled by a 1000 year old sword, a guy that can control the bullets that come out of his gun, a magic old man that harnesses the power of the sun and a french man.
@@ammi5311it's already hard to hit most mobile class/class with tons of mobility options(scout,demoman,soldier,demoknight,trolddier) adding more mobility would probably just make the game an old styled OW,and everybody loves OW.
"Ok guys i've made Heavy a god of team fortress 2, every time he swins his fist, the entire enemy team vanishes, gets kicked from the server and VAC banned. But guys guys heavy now has 5 less health, *NERFED* " "Ok guys, so this weapon now does no damage, has 99% longer reload speed and only 1 bullet per clip, but guys guys the enemy will bleed for 8 seconds and their nose will itch in real life, *BUFFED* "
1:40:51 "Gentlemen, for your consideration... *L'Sadique* - Level 1 Revolver - Every nerf he mentioned in the vid + If you shoot this thing whilst disguised and it hits someone, that person gets infinite bleed until they pick up a health pack *"Because if you're gonna torture yourself to play mind games with the enemy, might aswell make their suffering equal to yours"* _-The Janitor high off the potted plant_
@diegordi1394 then well just also make it so it has -99% uber build rate on the bleed, somehow, so not only do you need dispensers large health packs or medics to stop bleed, but medics are *disinsentivized* to heal you
@@molassesman4066 Just make it so that you cannot be healed by medics or dispensers at all. Actually, make it so you cannot be healed at all, even by the resupply cabinet
@@thesmm2311 nah Cuz if medic can heal you but only SLIGHTLY faster than you die from bleed than clearly you are making the medic choose from being useful or sitting there wasting 20 seconds fixing you while only getting 1% uber from it, so giving the medic the option is clearly worse than not giving him one at all
I think if you really wanted the Hitman's heatmaker to be the "stealth sniper" that gets to not have tracers, it should have the classic's downside of needing a full charge in order to headshot. That way you get the old upside of the enemy team not being able to see you, but you can't just quickscope light classes at the drop of a hat
I think another way would be to instead replace the focus with no bullet tracers. But then again that probably just works better as it's own concept rather then reworking the Hitmans Heatmaker. It allows you to camp for a bit, yeah, but you have only a limited amount of time/bullets before you're revealed again and have to switch spots.
1:41:16 "On hit, bleed, for 8 seconds." is the single most despair enducing statement I've ever heard uttered in relation to tf2. nobody's home didnt even come close to the reaction this statement illicted out of me
The way he said it too, like he sounded so proud of himself, same delivery with the gator shield, he was so happy with himself when saying the absolute worst changes and thats what makes this so painful and so funny
@@chongwillson972I mean I guess? Still don't like the idea of a Sniper teleports behind someone with a quickscope after. That could give PTSD to them.
@@TARINunit9 probably the only good change, because that is more damage than stock but can be mitigated with healing or a medic, so it's fair without technically outclassing stock, and is a good way to fight a pyro I guess if you aren't using the Dragon's Fury or any shotguns
@@silverdededestruction2197nah I don’t really think it’s that good of a change, pyro has the flame thrower, which has more range than the sharpened volcano fragment and also a reflect that can also do knockback. There is literally no point in using it unless you ran out of ammo or are fighting a pyro in which case you are still likely to lose the fight unless the pyro is using a weapon that doesn’t have airblast(plog)
i dont actually play tf2 i just grabbed some random stats and made it pretty absurd. I do have a bit of knowledge about tf2 such as the max overheal being 1.5x the classes' hp but other than that i just threw together some random stats and an iconic weapon (the eyelander)
New legislation update passed for the California (United States of America) server: >removed all projectile weapons >disabled PvP and PvE >disabled chat >removed every current California player's arms and legs, for good measure >added Herobrine >rolled back localization files >locked server hopping for all California players >disabled new instance creation Enjoy the buffs.
@@soupcangaming662 New legislation update passed for Republican (US) servers: > Removed access to healthcare for all but the top 0.0001% of the wealthiest players. > Disabled non-english-language chat, only English is allowed to be spoken in 'murica. > Set literal buzzsaws across the Rio Grande, even against private landowners' wishes. > Only gamers who identify as Christian are allowed to represent their religion. > Removed reproductive rights for anyone not male. > Locked server hopping for anyone attempting to find reproductive care. > Rolled back human rights for anyone not white and Christian. Enjoy your repression under the guise of freedom lmao. ;)
The biggest issue with the eureka effect change: The taunt teleports you to the teleporter exit. The teleporter exit. Which is two-way. Oh yeah this is exactly where you wanted to be
I guess it ought to make the engineer immune to teleportation for a bit after every taunt teleport. Perhaps also allow taunt teleporting to the teleporter _entrance_ directly, as well.
No you see your not accounting for the psychological damage your inflicting. I mean have you ever been shot before? It's very traumatic, and with each shot your imparting more and more trauma onto the player till they get PTSD. It's really a buff depending on your point of view
@@mythmage8231 Beating them as Sniper requires you to actually be a better Sniper than they are, or some way to reach a sneaky spot where they won't see you
the booties are OP so im cutting off demo's legs *but* it makes you die on respawn so the character doesn't have to suffer the psychological effects of bleed during the match
Me when i liked unnerfed bison and agreed it needed light hitbox trim by like 15% or something and they raped it in the street, wouldve rather seen ammo or something weird.
Based of valve in this area Not bow down to current nomie gaming crowd, obsessed with universal hyper equality just to water a game into dullness When every option performs the same, there's no opinions
Sharpened volcano fragment makes zero sense because if you get cut with ORAGE HOT MOLTEN ROCK, then you'll probably gonna instantly cauterize the cut anyways, so how do you bleed??
You are walking home when a methead attempts to rob you. You resist and they shank you. You are bleeding out on the sidewalk in the middle of the night. *BUFFED*
I do not want a Hitman's heatmaker sniper jumping higher than a Scout to reach absurd places that spies can't reach to backstab him as he's able to shoot us from literally Mount Olympus and just jump over a rocket if someone tries to shoot it his way.
''That's like the biggest problem with the bison'' No. The biggest problem is and has always been the HITBOX! THE HITBOX IS MICROSCOPHIC. THE SPEED IS FINE, THE HITBOX IS NOT. FIX THE BISON'S HITBOX!!
@@peterpanther23 The Pomsons main problem is the fact the projectile is completely broken nearby teammates at ANY distance it will be deleted. No other projectile acts this way. It used to penetrate teammates and buildings before Valve somehow messed it all up. Rn it forces you as the Engineer to stay away from your teammates which is very very bad. The projectile being slow was never the problem.
@@hexorth3580 in the past, not anymore. It used to be able to hit the same enemy multiple times, but that was changed to no longer be the case ages ago.
When I saw the enforcer stat change I was like "surely the caveat to these nerfs is something cool like you don't lose disguise on shooting" so you sacrifice killing power for the ability to be an annoying mosquito in secret. No it's just a straight downgrade with no niche
That would actually be interesting change to see. Being able to fake fire at your teammates while disguised might make acting a bit more viable at the cost of reliable damage might (key word: might) be cool.
I think we ought to be a bit fair to his change to the sharpened volcano fragment: he was saying that having it inflict burn was pointless, but a seperate DOT means you could combo bleed with the burn of your flamethrower so that both were in effect at the same time: it's not as dumb as it sounds, but it sounds so dumb that they didn't listen to him explain it. Bleed+burning would actually be a scary combo to be able to inflict.
Diamondback Change: 100% more ammo 100% more damage Doesn't need reloading Every shot landed causes an automatic backstab on every enemy player in the server regardless of location. No random crits. NERFED
the way this comment is formatted is amazing. The simple addition of having the “bleeding for 8 seconds.” Right there when you click the “read more” button adds a layer of suspense, leading you to wonder what would happen if you clicked that button. One of the most innovative comments I’ve seen this decade.
I’ve buffed the caber. When it’s used not only does it kill you no matter what health you’re at it also sells the entirety of your backpack to scalpers for a single strange caber while also signing you up for a escape room where they kidnap you within the next 2 hours
I honestly love that one for being so incomprehensibly BATSHIT. Just… Please. Idk, have it replace his primary. Tell me a bunch of moon jumping SMG or Jarate Chop Snipers wouldn’t be fucking hysterical to watch.
I just want to post a little update, not that anyone will see this: Grouch made a follow-up video where he apologized for two things. One was the first video's title, he says that the video was only meant for his personal server -- a server which does whacky events like "everyone's keybinds are randomized each life" -- and should have been named "Experimenting with TF2's weapons." The second was the Enforcer. He admits right out the gate that yeah it was a horrendous nerf and completely reverts it
Ok hold on, I'm main Heavy and the Dalokhos Bar gives you +50 MAX health more, but it actually heals you for 25 health per second during the 4 seconds of animation. It ACTUALLY heals you for 100 health.
Which makes the vids rework of the Dalokhos bar so much worse, it only ticks 50HP once, which is still worse than the second banana even with the fast animation, because of how many times you have to disrupt yourself to eat every 4 seconds and rev up again. In the clip he uses the Tomislav but imagine the pain on the stock minigun or dear god the brass beast.
i understand most of these changes were the sake of going wild in his own private little servers, but man there’s a lot of these edits that just do not sound fun to use or fight against even without tryharding in mind
![Why [TF2] has (Almost) Perfect Melee Weapons](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NArb-D-M8aU/mqdefault.jpg)
Eureka effect should kill you when you reach 0 metal so you respawn with full metal faster
Finally, a way for engie to get full metal quickly!
Finally, a way to get to spawn quickly with the Eureka Effect.
Eureka effect just forces you to kill bind, removing any suspense of a cool death
LOL
Blessed Mio PFP
"I cut off your legs, BUT I made your crawl speed 2x faster. BUFFED"
"I cut your head off, BUT, you can now whistle"
@@chickennuggetman2593 "I cut you in half, BUT you now have two seperate hit boxes."
“I cut off your limbs, BUT I made you deal bleed damage back. BUFFED”
I removed both your arms, but you are now ambidextrous. BUFFED
"I permanently paralyzed you, however you deal bleed damage. *_BUFFFED_* "
these rebalances are the equivalent of going "my roof is leaking so i'm gonna sleep outside from now on"
"My roof is bleeding so I fucking love it!"-Grouch
@@GrimMcGrimmer
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any sissy players that keep complaining and want "rebalance" to weapons and game
just have skill issues 😂
if you can't adapt to a game or counter enemy team with current weapons they should just consider alt + f4
@@invschematics it wont be for long with that extra 2 bleed damage
@@invschematics yes, but it would be flinching
"The Dead Ringer. Many consider this watch to be unfun and annoying to fight against, so i thought of a change that would fix those issues. So now, when you take damage with the dead ringer out, instead of faking your death and going invisible, you will bleed for 8 seconds. This helps you die faster so you can respawn with the dead ringer fully charged. Buffed."
FINALLY a way for spy to recharge the dead ringer faster
Real "dead" ringer
emphasis on the "8 seconds" here
"Dead" Ringer
sorry, i accidentally downvoted this when clicking on the replies
I was getting annoyed at how much TheWhat was hyping up the Enforcer change... then it was revealed and I completely understood
Yeah the Enforcer's change was silly, but the Scorch Shot change was genuinely *insane.*
I think the enforcer is more stupid because he said THE ENFORCER WAS BUFFED, you could argue the scorch shot was nerfed due to losing the stun, BUT THE ENFORCER WAS UNQUESTIONABLY NERFED
“Can this guy shut up?”
*a few minutes later*
“I get it now”
@@SorakuFett WELCOME TO TOUHOU BITCH
I was thinking the same thing until it happened
I love how the caber changes were just so bewildering that they completely missed turning the iron bomber into the beggar's bazooka.
I mean even in the vid it was glossed over like he didn't even care what he was doing
I think it’s more like the old panic attack than the beggar’s bazooka
@@Pixal_Dragon I mean, the old Panic Attack was basically just the Beggar's Bazooka Shotgun version
@@davidbanan. yeah but then the beggar's bazooka was like the old panic attack
I mean, Grouch barely went over what the Iron Bomber even did, just slapped the stats on the screen and called it a day
even worse the enforcer's new name makes no sense, L'executeur means the executioner but that thing never gonna execute anything
It should be "Le Tortionnaire", since it's torturing both you for using it, and the enemy as they are forced to constantly bleed due to you spamming it at them whenever they get a health pack
It executed my soul and made my ass bleed
@@GrimMcGrimmer Le Tortionnaire
The only thing its going to execute is my will to live
It executes the user
"I removed ANY SENSE of damage you may have had, BUT your enemies now giggle and laugh as you tickle them with your bullets. BUFFED."
You laugh, but that is basically the premise of the Holiday Punch
@@mix3k818 You tickle them with a punch, not a bullet tho
@@thesmm2311 ...... we know
that would be insanely OP, like actually, imagine getting shot across the map and are now stunned for a few seconds, just win a fight for free
@@thesmm2311 Technically melee weapons are just super-short-ranged bullets in the game, since both are hitscan.
"Finally, a buff to the Caber!: You instantly die!"
Ok that line is what finally got me. Good laugh right there
"I wish the Demoman could destroy buildings"
The monkey's paw curls.
Ullapool Caber: -10% swing speed, -40% weapon switch penalty. Press the reload key when the charge meter is full to perform a special melee attack (explodes on hit, 200 damage). Recharges in 30s. Meter is emptied on respawn.
Nah bro that ain’t the Ullapool Caber, the new name is the Irish Car Bomb.
@@kimgkomg AND DEMO WAS ALREADY ONE OF THE BEST BUILDING BREAKERS
@@Squashbanandemoman is secretly Irish like Elmaxo said 😱😱😱😱
Nothing, NOTHING prepared me for the dangershield change. Imagine charging a sniper as a demoknight and just before you hit him, he just fucking goes to the moon.
Sniper thinks he's Mario 😭😭😭💀💀💀🗣🗣🗣
He is subconsciously making each class have a "fat scout" sub-class the snout with huntsman and his Darwins danger shield the new natasha heavy as onther example
@@dankmemes8254 but he bleeds now so its fine
Tall Scout
@@buggerofallhell1153but the sniper also has bleed (tribalman's shiv) so the sniper is completely busted.
Grouch was SO proud of "bleed for 8 seconds" on the enforcer too, like it was the greatest balancing move in history 😭
"It cost 95% damage reduction and 2x slower reload speed to bleed with this weapon... for _eight seconds._"
I’d honestly be okay with the Enforcer losing its damage buff on decloak and instead bleeding on decloak instead. That would be kinda cool.
Not this abomination tho.
Honestly, that's what pisses me off about the video. The sheer confidence he has in his own awful ideas. Like he seriously thinks Valve should hire him for these GALAXY BRAIN buffs. I can only imagine he's got a blood fetish. Or bleeding in his own brain.
never let bro cook again
@@ZeRedSpy that'd be honestly kinda epic
the animation of the spy stamping "BUFFED" or "NERFED" on the screen kills me every time and i have no idea why
Then the one where 20 of them overlap over the sniper changes must’ve put you 6 feet under
It didn't kill you it just gave you 8 seconds of bleed
it makes me irrationally angry in a way i cannot comprehend- i feel no anger or malice towards grouch... Just to the fucking stamp
“Fucking BUFFED!”
It reminds me of that one hello neighbour like and subscribe screen overlay
The Caber change is actually a deep diss to valve: as the demo dies and respawns, the engi will have built a new sentry, the demo will forever be on a treadmill of destroying, dying, respawn and doing it all over again
One must imagine Demoman to be happy
The mercenary condition, the battle never ends; the assault ends as it renews
@@Crux___a f2p... Hmm, indeed, I've been respawning long enough.
@@ImTheGuy RED and BLU have long since forgotten my name, and I am EAGER to make them remember…
Its longer then you think, its eternity in there
"Thats my cat"
"Kill it"
...
"Let's move on with the video"
"yesh"
"WE MUST PUSH LITTLE CAR!!!"
Ok but did it take bleed damage?
No it took afterburn@@MaydayYT
@@Jackson-kn5hfI fear no man, but zat thing....
love how this guy complained about sniper being a mobile opponent and then gave him a massive speed up
god it was so fun playing on the server being a frog sniper
@@marioood i want to try it out but my pc broke down lmaoo
@@mariooodi first read that as phlog sniper
@@marioood God forbid fatmagic acquires this power
@@marioood did the server shut down? i wish I could play on that server lmfao
Every time I rewatch this video I always forget that it’s initially just Blue and Fish enjoying semi-reasonable heavy reworks and that it eventually turns into basically a group of dudes grouped around a single monitor all cracking up at the Bleed Update of Summer 2025
"bleed update" True!
The progression into chaos and madness is what makes the video so fun to watch, it's like some kind of character arc
I thought his idea for the family business was pretty good. The heavy being able to fire long range shotgun shots and using the speed boost to help him get closer to the fight seems cool.
I would just rework it so that it is a higher damage single shot weapon that gives a boost duration more akin to the big earner so it is more meant for repositioning than fat scouting
-90 dmg, 50% slower firing speed, -99% clip size, 66% slower reloading speed. (Buffed)
has he not heard of the word rework? because 90% of the changes are reworks
AND as if the enforcer wasn’t just a worse stock, if this was real, NO ONE would even think of touching it
But now it has BLEED so it's Buffed. Right?
8 SECONDS OF FLINCHING 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@@MrToon1994nop 90% less bleed damage because it’s the enforcer
New Sniper Nerf: Remove Headshots, but add a 8 second bleed buff
You laugh, but this is literally what valve did in mvm for the huntsman when they replaced the explosive headshot upgrade with a bleed on hit upgrade for no logical reason
@slysamuel5902 it also has penetratrating shots. Which break if you are ubered
pov sydney sleeper
[BUFFED]
@@slysamuel5902id say its a good change for the huntsman, because you can swap aoe damage for very large amounts of damage (stacked bleeds) on certain targets
43:16 "Fire resistance, who cares"
"I care" said the sniper and pyro main in unison.
The duality of men
@@Hokhaheyexactly.
One, wants to be able to live, the other, to counter themselves
i can see this as an sfm
“Fuck fire resistance” as he suggests one of the worst possible ideas for scorchshot and refuses to nerf phlog
sandvich rework.
Does not heal you.
Kills you when eaten.
1 second respawn time
Buffed
However, you can throw your sandvich in-game, so an insta-kill landmine would kinda suck
inflicts 8 seconds of bleed
unironically not a bad sounding weapon - obviously eating it is pointless but giving up your secondary slot in exchange for basically instant respawn time could work
Yeah, you could theme it to be like a cartoonishly large cyanide capsule
1. Nerfs Sniper
2. Buffs two of his unlocks to negate the nerfs
3. ???
4. Profit
3 is bleed
refuses to elaborate further
Don't forget that everything suggested doesn't address the main grip people have with the class which is them being able to quick-scope light classes if they get close.
@@cursedhawkins1305 This has never been a common complaint from what I've seen.
@@umcThunder72I've seen it pretty commonly? I mean you also need to deal with jarate and bushwacka to fix the problem of sniper being powerful at every range but it's a component of the issue.
The whole "Razorback exploding into piss" gimmick reminds me of a community weapon called "Urine Trouble", an oversized drain urine bag that does exactly that; it soaks the spy with jarate upon backstab
I remember that. funny as hell
The difference, however, is that the Urine Trouble also stops the backstab from being an instant kill
i’m sorry but the phrase ‘razorback exploding into piss’ is making me laugh so hard i’m struggling to type this
@@redfoxlol101 to be fair, it does sound hilarious
Just call it The Colostomy
“Sniper’s biggest problem is when great players abuse him. So anyway I intentionally made the nerfs to sniper able to be completely bypassed by great players specifically.”
Okay, hear me out.
*Hitman's Heatmaker:* Fires invisible rounds (except during Focus). -40% damage. Headshots mini-crit instead of critting.
*Cozy Camper:* +100% primary ammo (brings it back to 25). -10% speed. -10% charge rate.
It's probably still bullsh!t anyway, but in a "okay, you get to bypass the normal nerfs I placed on snipers, but you'll get entirely different nerfs" kind of way.
@@dariocarraresi1823 wow, an actually useless set of weapons.
@@vyor8837 Told you that it was probably sh!t. I'm not good with the values.
@@dariocarraresi1823 >delete sniper
>balanced
@@dariocarraresi1823 if it mini crits whats the point of the dmg pen
As a engineer main, my pants have been soiled and now brown as demoman can now destroy my building
Yeah, it’s not like it drops a bunch of metal when it gets blown up
@@him9104 as well as an ammo pavk after the player dies lol
Building being destroyed gives you metal, so it's actually a good thing! BUFFED
But dying means you get more metal BUFFED!!!
I'm sorry that you've been autobalanced
I remember someone saying "This guy is a fucking vampire! He adds the bleed effect to every weapon!" Seems like a good description of his balances, that and the horrible spy nerfs
-90% damage,1 shot per round,slower firing speed,fucking useless,but hey,I can annoy sniper now, that's so good
@@VortexF
🎟️ BUFFED 🎟️
1/10 kunai doesn't bleed 😢
@@VortexFsnipers can just put on the cozy camper so wouldn't matter and scout does it so much better and a Pyro who made it his life mission to harass light classes
If tf2 was realistic
"Sniper has had it too good for too long!"
"That's why I'm giving the sniper rifle to scout instead!"
Problem solved.
NERFED
AND making Sniper into the Scout, practically.
@@lpsp442 yes, that was the joke.
@@cabbage426 ... on closer inspection, I can now see the formatting of the humour.
They always headshot😢 me
This commentary is constant fight between "hold up, let him cook" and "who let the bro cook"
Bro did not cook bro tried to burn down the fucking kitchen.
He never cooked, he completely destroyed the kitchen
@@christopherm4739 he bleed down the kitchen
He burnt down the kitchen..
20% Damage bonus
5% faster weapon use
30% Slow on wearer
Ignite on miss
BUFFED
@@Fightsoftruster the "BUFFED" killed me lmao
Fish was so baffled by the caber changes that his entire vocabulary got deleted temporarily, except the word "buildings".
*Understands problem*
*MAKES IT WORSE*
Communism
Communism
Communism
Very creative and thought-provoking replies here.
(Sarcasm.)
I agree with the sarcastic 4th comment. (As in the point, not taking the text itself seriously)
i can't believe i can say that he said "kills you instantly, buffed" and NOT be joking
Well I think he IS joking
Based change
You must not understand what joking is
@@justinbarton717Your profile Pic is the endurance stat from Disco Elysium
@@justinbarton717 Your profile Pic is the endurance stat from Disco Elysium
I cant believe the thumbnail WASN'T clickbait. That'a Grouch's ACTUAL CHANGES
I could not believe my eyes when I saw that.
Buffed.
Nerfed. (buffed)
Not enough bleed changes.
neow*@@downdriftvenom
Not
Enough
Open
Wounds
> Lowers Scout's max HP to where 8 of 9 classes can one-shot him.
> Makes health packs dropped FULL health packs, so you might accidentally full heal an enemy heavy with a pick attempt.
*BUFFED.*
I think it's a full heal for the scout only, or at least I hope that's what he meant.
@@Jorvalt Hopefully so, but given his other edits, I'm not assuming. Even if that's the case...You can still be clapped in one hit by almost every class in the game. Only medics can't kill you in one shot without a crit. Technically heavies, too...But that minigun will still shred you before you can get away if you're even mid-range.
@@RookMeAmadeus It is only for scout, I'm pretty sure--although it was talked over--he said that the scout gets full health from ALL health packs too. Not just dropping full hp packs.
He said the explosive damage vuln was too situational so he made scout die to everything
Grouch watched one soundsmith flava video and immediately wanted all classes to get a similar ability
It's flavatown time 😈
The Flava Flav Spy
He imagined that this was an ability that he shared with most other people
They had also molded their weapon balance according to some ideal.
Maybe they imagined that their new weapon would better suit their class playstyle
Or maybe they imagined that their class playstyle would be forced to change, to fit the new weapon balance
This is why subclasses are often correct
@@tronmerncutsman although some people may have made mistakes. They may have created an ideal weapon that bears no relation to the concept of game balance. They may have created an ideal weapon based on some childish whim, or momentary impulse.
I fucking spit out my drink when he was like "The Southern Hospitality does crazy damage, unchanged!"
It causes bleed! That's a war crime in 7 different gravel producing countries
He really think bleeding is the most op thing
@@legitimo1788he saw that soundsmith bleed spam videos and thought it was actually op.
New minigun idea:
- 69% Ammo Capacity
- 100% Damage
- 60% slower firing speed
+ While bullets do not deal immediate damage, they instead inflict 8 seconds of bleed
bleed stacks so that could genuinely be op
EDIT: ok apparently bleed doesnt stack from the same source so this wouldnt be op
@@artifactUBleed does not, in fact, stack.
@@a_person_1596 It does...just not with the same source
@@transorm987 oh
How to make this minigun idea broken:
+ Bleed from this gun stacks
+ every hit gives 2 ammo back
What’s even worse with the new kunai is that it isn’t a projectile. It straight up just has a very very long hit box.
Now it's just the joke strat of spy sniper, except just spy.
As if Kunai Deadringer Spies didn't play like Demoknights already, he just gave the kunai demoknight sword reach.
Reminds me of that one meme where a guy get's a really questionable-distance backstab and it just cuts to the "Meet The Team" music with a spy's 5-foot-long arm
Grouch must have played a bleed build in elden ring and was like "what if there was more bleed damage in tf2?"
But bleed isn't like that in souls games, it procs
@lambsauce5312 The proc is the random critical bleed damage on all the weapons he added bleed to but not "no random Crits" to (which I'm pretty sure is all of them).
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242which could be quite the improvement mechanism over melee random crit instant kill
River of blud
@@lambsauce5312 tbf bleed works like that in demons souls.
It is also completely awful there too but thats a different thing.
"grouch's special"
all class primary
pocket pistol
does 1 damage, applies bleed that persists indefinately
-cannot be fired
@@GrimMcGrimmerthat's pretty good in this economy
@@GrimMcGrimmer +0.1% clip size, balanced
@@flextape467but also three times the reload speed, to make up for your excess 0.004 bullets, which is just far too much
@@insertcreativenamehere7027but it also fires 4x as fast, because the slow reload was a bit much.
"he has a way of saying why something is an issue and then making it worse" he'd make a great politician!
"I did everything right and they roasted me!"
Blue did compare Grouch to communism, so.
I'm surprised there's not a forty comment long reply chain of people arguing with each other about politics.
Oh this aged like wine
"The Phlog seems a little bit overpowered, so I removed the Crits off the weapon. To balance this, I added the Airblast back to the Weapon! BUFFED"
0/10 needs bleed
@@ShacotheLore Phlog now does less damage but makes up for that damage with bleed instead of afterburn! BUFFED
@@linusiwnldude you need to nerf that. At this rate a pyro miight be able to kill an enforcer spy. too powerful
Technically a direct upgrade to stock since you can still do the dumb invincible taunt
Damn, that enforcer might as well be called The US Congress with how slow and inefficient it will be.
That was a very quick turn around from "the changes range from good to whatever, why is everyone complaining?" to "These changes are terrible and would wreck the game."
The LSD kicked in the moment he finished talking about the rifles
The first few changes include a few i really want in the game, and are all very reasonable with a few being angles I've never seen before and actually found genius, i got really confused at the comments saying it was bonkers for the first 5 minutes of the video...
they wouldnt wreck the game, but they would bleed it and inflict psychological damage to the game
@@kulekid6917 And the kill itself to respawn faster.
these changes would make the bots look like unupdated localization files
1:23:07 The Urethra Effect: inflicts Jarate on hit, no random crits, deletes spy from the game on kill
*stamps screen* NERFED
8 seconds of bleed
@@coomcharger6105 No, that would be too OP!
8 seconds of PISS
best change ever, fuck spy AND sniper, instakills are bullshit
This guy is the sole member of the Ubisoft balancing team for rainbow six siege
he buffed some things so that's impossible
You try to kill a Sniper and they just go "boing" and dodges everything you throw at them. Just Titanfall that shit.
Before, Sniper was playing CSGO while everyone was playing TF2. Now, sniper will be playing Titanfall 2.
finals-evasive dash moment
0/10
Not enough bleed effects.
I am 100% he is a vampire
Average Elden Ring Build
On the other hand bleed wasn't quite utilised in the game
Avenging dying wish, curse murder a slow death
Something like that potentially bake into melee core gameplay instead of instant kill rolling
NO MORE BLEED,PLS
Based and Bleedpilled
>barely nerf sniper
>give sniper the mobility of a FUCKING SCOUT
New change to the sniper: changed name to scout
arguably even better than a scout
@@Smthn_Wickedultrakill?
Engineer rework: sentry bullets do 1 damage each but give 3 seconds of bleed
*Buffed*
But we make the sentry's bleed stacks. After 2 seconds of being shot by a sentry you take like 1900 dps
@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 If I remember correctly bleed doesn't stack from the same weapon so it'd only stack once
@@longpants108 yeah, I was proposing to make this bleed stack. That's what I meant with "but the bleed stacks". Maybe I was a little unclear, I'll grant you that
This guy somehow managed to engineer a weapon worse than the gas passer with the fuckin french gun
Bro found a way to nerf the enforcer
@@dankmemes8254it's the enweakered
@@dankmemes8254 *Buff
@@dankmemes8254 no its a buff, did you watch the video? snipers flinch now.
The gas passer isnt even that bad outside of its small use tho.
the enforcer died for this one folks
Nah best weapon in the game
@marabethobrien6157 yeah did you see the bleed
It really was competent tool neglected by most spy the longest time
Battalion,vac,dead ringer,fos,wrangler
Situational, yet very effective
@@ammi5311 well, it would be, if it wasn't bugged and didn't go through the wrangler resistances
Rip the enforcer
Died from bleeding out
Most egregious thing about "L'Executioner" is (as someone in the comments pointed out) not even "executing" anything
You're relying on DoT to kill them, that doesn't make you an executioner, IT MAKES YOU A FUCKING SADIST.
he’s no longer an assassin, but i guess that makes sense cause spy players do have a mental sickness
L’Sadist
The whatever the French word for torturer is
@@odinlindeberg4624 oui oui baguette
So the ideal name would be The Marquis (as in Marquis De Sade, the guy who “sadism” is named for)
If he was going for the Machina tracer rounds angle with the Sniper Rifles, then why not invert the Heatmaker? Have it fire off tracer rounds normally, then fire off "stealth" rounds when in Focus mode.
Would it be very annoying still? Yeah, but at least you know the Sniper player _earned_ the right to be annoying for 10 seconds, instead of earning the right to show the entire enemy team where their hiding spot is.
Hell, part of issue of truly great snipers is that they can rapidly kill several players with quick scopes, making it deal less on body shots and tracer on charged shots just *incentivizes that playstyle*
Least the inverse has player work to play into weapons visual design as a stealthy sniper if you want to use it to fullest
That might be good. Especially with the heatmaker looking stealthy
This feels like somebody that played TF2 a decade ago, heard about all the new updates from their friends, wrote the video, THEN played the game, and slowly during editing realized how wrong they were, but refused to change it.
Man if only Pyro had a weapon that rapidly fired a large cone of projectiles which inflict afterburn. Good thing this reworked Scorch Shot is here to save the day.
0/10 afterburn sucks give it bleed
pyro has no ways to do dot, that's why the svf is so good
The only reason the scorch shot is annoying when spammed is because of the stun
Honestly, this is sounds like the most crazy shit ever
You hop into a game and there's ninja snipers in cheeky spots everywhere, pyros are in a chokepoint creating a surprise touhou game.
Heavy is speedhacking around the map, engineer is depressed his sentry gun is useless, spy is crying in a dark corner somewhere next to engineer.
Half your team is caberknights constantly killbinding (They found a faster way to die than charging with their caber).
And one free to play pyro on the team is happy he can finally bleed people with his fire axe.
Yes yes and yes, absolutely accurate explanation of that server with those buff and nerfs indeed
And most of the players aren't even there and they're just cardboard cutouts of themselves.
Degroot keep is a fucking crater
Imagine naming a gun 'The Executioner' yet it fails to execute anyone.
this guy's balances are like:
"so your weapon has this bad side and this good side right? Then now it's bad side is 2x as bad and it's good side is 2x as good"
Balance in the most literal and robotic sense
And add bleed while we're at it.
BUFFED
i love how when everyone was trying to predict the change to the volcano fragment, the screen starting zooming in on the bleed killfeed. And everyone just recoiled in horror
It's always so scary whenever he makes a good change because you just know he's got something horrendous around the corner
You know what changes like the Eureka Effect reminded me of? Reading through the framedata and strategies regarding characters from JoJo: Heritage For The Future.
You'd go through an entire list of utterly sick-nasty stuff that'd be absolutely broken in any other fighting game, only to get hit by "yeah also over half the cast is immune against his gameplan for most of the match lmao, he's bottom tier and if you throw someone, you get killed for hitting a move". The whiplash is palpable.
I never played that game so I need an example.
@@Spacebugg Hol Horse is pretty much exactly what I described here.
His whole gameplan centers around knocking the opponent down and hitting them with nasty setups, often involving his glass shots (he can shoot the ceiling to make glass fall down). You have to block them standing, and since he can move as they fall, he can simultaneously hit you with a move you'd have to block crouching. So you're getting hit either way, it's unblockable. Same applies to his unblockable Slow Bullet super, if he shoots that thing out while you're on the ground and places it on top of you, you're eating the hit as soon as you get up. Nothing you can do about it, because you can't do anything but block for the first frame after you wake up from a knockdown in this game. Slow Bullet is an absurd move in general, it's what gives Hol a fighting chance.
All in all, if Hol gets a good start, he can often just end the round from there by looping these things, and he also boasts suprisingly high chip damage.
The problem is that a large chunk of the cast can just... turn both of these win conditions off. "Active Stand" characters can summon their stand to fight with them, and while it's out, they don't take chip and can't be knocked down. Same applies to Weapon Stand characters if I recall correctly. Meaning Hol, lacking great ways to open people up, has to resort to running away, zoning and trying to sneak hits in. But while his kit _is_ geared towards that, the low damage he gets off of hitting you if he can't do his loops makes this a very tough situation for him. The fact that Active Stand characters tend to be higher on the tier list doesn't help either.
And yeah, his throw just... let's the opponent recover way earlier than you. They can punish you for landing it. I don't know why they made it that way.
This is the last place I expected to see HFTF being mentioned on but this is a pretty good comparison actually.
@@Spacebugg all you need to know is that a bird is the best character in a game where you can play as a psychic timestoping vampire, a fortune teller that controls a flame-humanoid-bird, a swordsman controlled by a 1000 year old sword, a guy that can control the bullets that come out of his gun, a magic old man that harnesses the power of the sun and a french man.
@@youlostthegame.6624 Pet Shop is really, really stupid, but Kak is a fucking menace. Those nets are not ok.
This is the TF2 equivalent of those "The design is very human" videos.
IM WHEEZING
FR LMAO
“Many snipers snipe you when you shoot them with your revolver. So I invented this bleed effect. The balance change is very human.”
@@onyxidian "now watch.'
*sniper gets some bleed then hits an immediate headshot on spy*
@@onyxidian
“Buildings are difficult to fight, especially as a demo. So I rebalanced the caber. The downside is very human.”
the dangershield would be funny as hell but man what was he thinking
nah its fun trust
boing
a lot of changes i think were just him thinking "it would be funny tho"
OW like game post tf2 era has this persuasion of sniper alone is not enough
Need more additional mobility utility
@@ammi5311it's already hard to hit most mobile class/class with tons of mobility options(scout,demoman,soldier,demoknight,trolddier) adding more mobility would probably just make the game an old styled OW,and everybody loves OW.
This video evolved into the avengers of the tf2 community as it went on. There were so many cameos I was half surprised Grouch himself didn’t pop in.
If he did he'd apply bleed to everyone around
For 8 seconds...
[Buffed]
43:17 the moment this goes from relatively decent with somewhat questionable changes here and there to completely deranged ramblings
"Ok guys i've made Heavy a god of team fortress 2, every time he swins his fist, the entire enemy team vanishes, gets kicked from the server and VAC banned.
But guys guys heavy now has 5 less health, *NERFED* "
"Ok guys, so this weapon now does no damage, has 99% longer reload speed and only 1 bullet per clip, but guys guys the enemy will bleed for 8 seconds and their nose will itch in real life, *BUFFED* "
Ok but tbf if you could make people itchy that’s op
The itchy part is lowkey cracked ngl
I’d use the gun just for the itchy nose tbh sounds fun as hell
just a VAC ban tho they’ll be back in a day
The Ass Man
Level 5 hand
On Hit: Team vanishes. You remain.
1:40:51 "Gentlemen, for your consideration...
*L'Sadique* - Level 1 Revolver
- Every nerf he mentioned in the vid
+ If you shoot this thing whilst disguised and it hits someone, that person gets infinite bleed until they pick up a health pack
*"Because if you're gonna torture yourself to play mind games with the enemy, might aswell make their suffering equal to yours"* _-The Janitor high off the potted plant_
Nah
Permanent bleed until you *somehow* return to full hp
@@molassesman4066 Otherwise enemy medics could profit off of the damage for a faster Uber.
@diegordi1394 then well just also make it so it has -99% uber build rate on the bleed, somehow, so not only do you need dispensers large health packs or medics to stop bleed, but medics are *disinsentivized* to heal you
@@molassesman4066 Just make it so that you cannot be healed by medics or dispensers at all. Actually, make it so you cannot be healed at all, even by the resupply cabinet
@@thesmm2311 nah
Cuz if medic can heal you but only SLIGHTLY faster than you die from bleed than clearly you are making the medic choose from being useful or sitting there wasting 20 seconds fixing you while only getting 1% uber from it, so giving the medic the option is clearly worse than not giving him one at all
This new caber turns Demoman into a sentry buster! He should, at least deal damage to nearby enemies when he explodes.
Finally! Playable Sentry Buster!
Game accurate sentry buster
you joke but the sentry buster is coded to actually be a reskinned demo robot that has a slow really buffed caber.
I think if I was going to fix his change it’d get a massive damage radius so you kill everything in a room.
I think if you really wanted the Hitman's heatmaker to be the "stealth sniper" that gets to not have tracers, it should have the classic's downside of needing a full charge in order to headshot. That way you get the old upside of the enemy team not being able to see you, but you can't just quickscope light classes at the drop of a hat
- On miss, inflict 8 seconds of bleed to self
BUFFED
Tbh. The Classic being the only one without the tracer rounds in this hypothetical nerf is thematically appropriate.
Honestly he should have just given no tracers to the classic and not make the heat maker another classic
I think another way would be to instead replace the focus with no bullet tracers. But then again that probably just works better as it's own concept rather then reworking the Hitmans Heatmaker.
It allows you to camp for a bit, yeah, but you have only a limited amount of time/bullets before you're revealed again and have to switch spots.
"It's not that bad" *progresses the video 10 seconds* "I'm starting to see why the comments are that bad"
The IMMEDIATE 180 sends me
1:41:16 "On hit, bleed, for 8 seconds." is the single most despair enducing statement I've ever heard uttered in relation to tf2. nobody's home didnt even come close to the reaction this statement illicted out of me
The way he said it too, like he sounded so proud of himself, same delivery with the gator shield, he was so happy with himself when saying the absolute worst changes and thats what makes this so painful and so funny
i looked at my strange tribalman's shiv and cried
@@Some_random_blu_spy he gave the same delivery for a torture weapon as he did with the rework for King K. Rool's foreskin stretched into a shield.
@@Some_random_blu_spy
I like the change to the danger shield, just make the health penalty more.
@@chongwillson972I mean I guess? Still don't like the idea of a Sniper teleports behind someone with a quickscope after. That could give PTSD to them.
when they realize the Sharpened Volcano Fragment does bleed is amazing
The unclear part is that it deals afterburn AND bleed, which is a ridiculous amount of DoT
@@TARINunit9 probably the only good change, because that is more damage than stock but can be mitigated with healing or a medic, so it's fair without technically outclassing stock, and is a good way to fight a pyro I guess if you aren't using the Dragon's Fury or any shotguns
@@silverdededestruction2197nah I don’t really think it’s that good of a change, pyro has the flame thrower, which has more range than the sharpened volcano fragment and also a reflect that can also do knockback. There is literally no point in using it unless you ran out of ammo or are fighting a pyro in which case you are still likely to lose the fight unless the pyro is using a weapon that doesn’t have airblast(plog)
@@namlesy1706or you're playing degroot keep
@@namlesy1706 If you can get bleed and afterburn on almost any class they're basically DONE
Eyelander now inflicts bleed for 30 seconds but it overheals the enemy to 500 hp
Buffed!
i dont actually play tf2 i just grabbed some random stats and made it pretty absurd. I do have a bit of knowledge about tf2 such as the max overheal being 1.5x the classes' hp but other than that i just threw together some random stats and an iconic weapon (the eyelander)
-100% damage
+100% knockback recieved from everything (including air)
-200% clip size
-99.99% damage
+0.01% fire speed (balances it out)
deadass -199% damage, brah, that thing bout to heal the enemies
+8 seconds of bleed damage
(Chef kiss) Perfect
Buffed
So… get knocked everywhere nonstop?
@@Aaa-vp6ug dw the firing speed makes it buffed
guys we made the enforcer California-compliant
Gotta love lawmakers in California
New legislation update passed for the California (United States of America) server:
>removed all projectile weapons
>disabled PvP and PvE
>disabled chat
>removed every current California player's arms and legs, for good measure
>added Herobrine
>rolled back localization files
>locked server hopping for all California players
>disabled new instance creation
Enjoy the buffs.
Finally
Now We can Live in a Safe Societ-
*YOR Gaming Moment*
Yep
A very Safe Society
@@soupcangaming662 New legislation update passed for Republican (US) servers:
> Removed access to healthcare for all but the top 0.0001% of the wealthiest players.
> Disabled non-english-language chat, only English is allowed to be spoken in 'murica.
> Set literal buzzsaws across the Rio Grande, even against private landowners' wishes.
> Only gamers who identify as Christian are allowed to represent their religion.
> Removed reproductive rights for anyone not male.
> Locked server hopping for anyone attempting to find reproductive care.
> Rolled back human rights for anyone not white and Christian.
Enjoy your repression under the guise of freedom lmao. ;)
I'm laughing because it hurts
He's clearly sponsored by Mohgwyn with how much he loves bleed.
Didn't expect an elden ring reference in my tf2 vidya, a most welcome suprise.
MOHG WAS MIQELLESTED
We thought Mogh was the moghlester, but he was the one being miqellested😔
NIHIL
Fuck Miquella. And that bitch of the final boss. Give them a haircut and vow of silence.
"maybe people are over reacting" -famous last words before 8 seconds of bleed damage 2:27
The biggest issue with the eureka effect change:
The taunt teleports you to the teleporter exit.
The teleporter exit. Which is two-way.
Oh yeah this is exactly where you wanted to be
This is why i hate the eureka effect in mvm
Plus two ways can let people straight up nope out of fights in some situations and get full hp and ammo
I guess it ought to make the engineer immune to teleportation for a bit after every taunt teleport.
Perhaps also allow taunt teleporting to the teleporter _entrance_ directly, as well.
The funny thing is you can literally see how non functional it would be because there's a 2 way tele upgrade in MvM.
@@BinaryBoliasThat already exists, it's called teleporting to spawn, because who would build the entrance that far away from the spawn doors?
i cannot see anyone choosing to make a sniper mildly annoyed for a few seconds over just killing them with a few revolver shots
Well then he’d respawn slower, trust the process
I mean, people will Scorch Shot spam instead of just swapping to Sniper themselves to deal with him.
That's basically the same thing.
No you see your not accounting for the psychological damage your inflicting. I mean have you ever been shot before? It's very traumatic, and with each shot your imparting more and more trauma onto the player till they get PTSD. It's really a buff depending on your point of view
@@elizabethopoussm facts
@@mythmage8231 Beating them as Sniper requires you to actually be a better Sniper than they are, or some way to reach a sneaky spot where they won't see you
the booties are OP so im cutting off demo's legs *but* it makes you die on respawn so the character doesn't have to suffer the psychological effects of bleed during the match
Buffed
“psychological effects of bleed” youre saying that like its damn cthulu. Getting a papercut exposes you to god (real)
"Shahanshah is bad"
_proceeds to make it the worst melee in the game_
"name a game where a riot shield has been fun"
Splatoon. Basically the game has umbrellas and they're very fun
I like the shields in Gundam evolution
Heavy riot shield in TF2 is actu- oh, wait...
on the other hand Splatoon found a way to make snipers even more annoying than TF2
I wish you a retrograde ejaculation for using the umbrella
Was about to say Rainbow Six Siege but the fun ends when Montagne corners himself behind the shield that FULLY COVERS his hitbox
Videos like his are still a permanent reminder of just how rebalance-thirsty TF2 is.
For real
Seriously some weapon need some buff to make less terrible to use or nerfs like the vaxx to make them more manageable
mym killed everything
Me when i liked unnerfed bison and agreed it needed light hitbox trim by like 15% or something and they raped it in the street, wouldve rather seen ammo or something weird.
It's a reminder that the community shouldn't have control of balance because 90% of them are retarded
Based of valve in this area
Not bow down to current nomie gaming crowd, obsessed with universal hyper equality just to water a game into dullness
When every option performs the same, there's no opinions
Sharpened volcano fragment makes zero sense because if you get cut with ORAGE HOT MOLTEN ROCK, then you'll probably gonna instantly cauterize the cut anyways, so how do you bleed??
The lava is now cosmetic. It would be a good buff it needs
You're asking the guy that nerfed sniper, then made half of his weapons ignore the nerf
I mean painting your boxing gloves with flames doesn't make you run faster. It's a shitty "buff" but don't act like TF2 weapon stats abide by logic.
In tf2 piss makes you take more damage.
In TF2 soda makes your gun shoot harder
You are walking home when a methead attempts to rob you.
You resist and they shank you.
You are bleeding out on the sidewalk in the middle of the night.
*BUFFED*
I do not want a Hitman's heatmaker sniper jumping higher than a Scout to reach absurd places that spies can't reach to backstab him as he's able to shoot us from literally Mount Olympus and just jump over a rocket if someone tries to shoot it his way.
Nothing that the throwing kunai and the l'executeur couldn't handle... lol
''That's like the biggest problem with the bison'' No. The biggest problem is and has always been the HITBOX! THE HITBOX IS MICROSCOPHIC. THE SPEED IS FINE, THE HITBOX IS NOT. FIX THE BISON'S HITBOX!!
If anything it being pitifully slow is a bonus because it deals more damage thanks to that
@hexorth3580 Yeah, this is not like the pomsom since being a piercing projectile actually kinda benefits from being slow
@@peterpanther23 The Pomsons main problem is the fact the projectile is completely broken nearby teammates at ANY distance it will be deleted. No other projectile acts this way. It used to penetrate teammates and buildings before Valve somehow messed it all up. Rn it forces you as the Engineer to stay away from your teammates which is very very bad. The projectile being slow was never the problem.
@@Fatsaver and it has a delay as if you have 400 ping
@@hexorth3580 in the past, not anymore. It used to be able to hit the same enemy multiple times, but that was changed to no longer be the case ages ago.
When I saw the enforcer stat change I was like "surely the caveat to these nerfs is something cool like you don't lose disguise on shooting" so you sacrifice killing power for the ability to be an annoying mosquito in secret. No it's just a straight downgrade with no niche
Yeah exactly this is why I think the video is a joke
mosquito is not that far off
That would actually be interesting change to see. Being able to fake fire at your teammates while disguised might make acting a bit more viable at the cost of reliable damage might (key word: might) be cool.
I think we ought to be a bit fair to his change to the sharpened volcano fragment: he was saying that having it inflict burn was pointless, but a seperate DOT means you could combo bleed with the burn of your flamethrower so that both were in effect at the same time: it's not as dumb as it sounds, but it sounds so dumb that they didn't listen to him explain it. Bleed+burning would actually be a scary combo to be able to inflict.
Fair enough, but the problem is that if you’re pulling off a melee combo with pyro, why not just use the axetinguisher
@@ausar4148or just use your primary to kill even faster than the axe
possibly add the ability to change DOT types? maybe?
Diamondback Change:
100% more ammo
100% more damage
Doesn't need reloading
Every shot landed causes an automatic backstab on every enemy player in the server regardless of location.
No random crits.
NERFED
Not my random crits!
@@CoffeeHype7356 I need my rare high moments!
Yknow what's funny. It doesn't even have random crits in the first place
I hate how it took me a little over half of the comment to realize you're making a joke, not quoting a change he wanted
And no bleed bro. The most op ability
Southern Hospitality: talked about, unchanged.
Classic? Nah.
It was perfect, it had bleed!
"Say the line bart!"
*Sigh.*
"Bleeding for 8 seconds."
the way this comment is formatted is amazing. The simple addition of having the “bleeding for 8 seconds.” Right there when you click the “read more” button adds a layer of suspense, leading you to wonder what would happen if you clicked that button. One of the most innovative comments I’ve seen this decade.
YAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
B U F F E D
Edge. For 8 seconds.
I’ve buffed the caber. When it’s used not only does it kill you no matter what health you’re at it also sells the entirety of your backpack to scalpers for a single strange caber while also signing you up for a escape room where they kidnap you within the next 2 hours
The Darwin was the god damn tipping point in this video, it just went off the deep end after that
Pretty much.
The danger shield was. I just started laughing.
I honestly love that one for being so incomprehensibly BATSHIT. Just… Please. Idk, have it replace his primary.
Tell me a bunch of moon jumping SMG or Jarate Chop Snipers wouldn’t be fucking hysterical to watch.
I don’t think this guy knows that bleed just… stops when you get a health pack…
Grouch was trying to cook the same spaghetti the TF2 devs did, but ended up lighting the kitchen on fire.
bro gotta watch more cooking tutorials
TF2 is an oily, greasy game. Fuck up once and the whole thing lights on fire.
Bro should never cook he burned down the kitchen
he is on the same cooking level as Papyrus and Undying
@@Adir-Yosef Same cooking skills as that guy from Final Destination 2 who killed himself in a dumb way
I just want to post a little update, not that anyone will see this:
Grouch made a follow-up video where he apologized for two things. One was the first video's title, he says that the video was only meant for his personal server -- a server which does whacky events like "everyone's keybinds are randomized each life" -- and should have been named "Experimenting with TF2's weapons."
The second was the Enforcer. He admits right out the gate that yeah it was a horrendous nerf and completely reverts it
Ok hold on, I'm main Heavy and the Dalokhos Bar gives you +50 MAX health more, but it actually heals you for 25 health per second during the 4 seconds of animation.
It ACTUALLY heals you for 100 health.
They did say they don't play heavy much, after all
@@M4x_P0w3r i thought he mained heavy???
@@pissedoffbucketguy9115the people reviewing the video don’t play heavy much
Which makes the vids rework of the Dalokhos bar so much worse, it only ticks 50HP once, which is still worse than the second banana even with the fast animation, because of how many times you have to disrupt yourself to eat every 4 seconds and rev up again.
In the clip he uses the Tomislav but imagine the pain on the stock minigun or dear god the brass beast.
I mean a quick 50(350) bite when after you hug pack is nice
I knew the Scorch shot change would give fish an Aneurysm.
The video sounds like an AI generated script the way it just forgets the things it said 15 seconds ago
also the lame ass jokes
Scout eviction in 7 seconds
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i understand most of these changes were the sake of going wild in his own private little servers, but man there’s a lot of these edits that just do not sound fun to use or fight against even without tryharding in mind