10mm VS .357 Magnum in Revolvers - Hornady Critical Duty
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- Testing the Hornady Critical Duty ammunition in 10mm and .357 Magnum through my 4" S&W revolvers (model 686 & 610) into a 10% Clear Ballistics gel test. The .357 Magnum is a 135 gr FTX bullet rated at 1,275 FPS through an 8" V barrel and the 10mm is a 175 gr FTX bullet rated at 1,160 FPS through a 5" barrel. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
If anyone was curious, my 5.3" Glock 41 10mm conversion ran this 10mm ammo at 1,134 FPS. BTW I have noticed that people stopped complaining about my 10mm handgun malfunctions. It's almost as if the S&W 610 is more reliable than a Glock. Nah nah nah, "revolvers malfunction too and when they do, you are out of the fight, Glock 20's don't malfunction, but when they do just tap rack bang".
Yep !!
Almost? I have a G20 and I carried it on duty before most Glock fanboys were born. Unless I used single stack magazines it was not reliable. I would say the revolver is definitely more reliable for “reasons”.
It's not a Glock 20!!!! It doesn't count!!!! Because reasons
Carrying two revolver's make sense 😊. The G41 is a remarkable firearm. In your life time Sam. Shooting guns is a hobbie. Or part of your character 🤔
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I have said this before, but it is wroth repeating. You test with the clearest best prepared gel blocks on TH-cam! I really appreciate it.
I'm not going to argue with that ammo. Good stuff.
Cant go wrong with either but i do prefer .357, good test Sam!
All the power the av dude needs on the av day
Impressive results from both rounds. I would carry either revolver as a service weapon with this ammunition.
I enjoy your videos.
Good stuff.
Elmer and his boys wanted S&W to make a revolver slightly larger than a K frame in a rimmed 10mm with a 200 gr SWC at 900 fps. They got the 41 magnum in an N frame.
41 magnum is underrated
Hi Sam, there are two things I really like about these loads, first of all, penetration is consistent, and second bullets travel straight through the gel meaning that the ball goes where you put it
Both of these rounds are performing PERFECTLY.
Both performed in a very uniform and consistent manner. I'd say either of these loads would be good for defensive purposes.
A .357 revolver has more ammo options. In addition to .357, Hornady Critical Defense has .38 Lite, .38, and .38+P.
To be fair, you can run .40 S&W in a 10mm revolver. Plenty of light options in .40 S&W.
@@GunSamAnd due to less power…less bullet jump! 😂
And the 40 takes moon clips!
The 610 is an amazing gun if you already own guns in 40 or 10mm.
You have the best job
Impressive comparison 👍 keep em coming!
Thanks, that was very interesting. I still carry a 3" .357 Magnum occasionally, and I do not feel under-gunned when I do. I'm becoming more and more interested in this 10mm revolver. I'm looking forward to when you shoot .40S&W in it.
Excellent comparison Sam. This is good info. I know both calibers have "hot" ammo but this ammo was designed for 2 legged critters, not law suits. People still complaining in the comments about the lack of power.
I have been enjoying the 10mm test. Thanks
GS. Good video. As you said, looks like really good ammo. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Man, I'm so glad I found your channel! Always informative.
So many people on the internet calling those rounds "underpowered" but I don't see any of them lining up to volunteer and take one in the 10 ring!
How about great job Sam. I enjoy all your content and hard work. Good job buddy!
The consistency of those 10mm rounds was remarkable! I'd feel well armed with either gun.
Nice work!
Great hands on review. Thank you, well done.
Love the realness of your videos. Tks.
Gun Sam. Lee makes a crimp die that works very well. I use them on my 44 mag. It's called factory crimp die. It's advertised to be able to crimp without a channular on bullet. They may make a die for 10 mm. In your revolver it would be worth looking into. Probably not for semi pistol😊
Excellent video! I would love to see a comparison between hornady critical defense 357 magnum 125 grain vs the critical duty 357 magnum 135 grain, from 2" and 4"
Thanks for another great video. It would be interesting to see how the 357 does from a snub with your current testing method.
WOW! I really didn't expect bullet creep, but it did. Good video!
I recently brought some of these in 357 mag and 45 acp. Got some in 40 s&w ordered.
I think you could probably put the 357 mag version in a lever gun and go hunting with it. I know that's not the intent of the design but being a tough bullet like it is I would say it might do okay out of a rifle on a deer. I would prefer hardcast for a hog but it might still work for that too.
It's the ftx bullet. They are damn good at high velocities.
Very informative presentation. As a regular 357 carrier and 10mm I appreciate you testing these rounds. Good alternative to carry in my opinion. Does what it is supposed to do if I do my part. 👍
A bit less power than I would prefer. But these are good results.
Not bad all things considered. Thank you.
The best part of the Auto round in a Revolver Testing , when a round has moved out a little , seems not much of a change in Vel !
Velocity change depends on overall casefill percentage. If you have 100% fill or even a compressed load, then a little bit of bullet creep will make significant pressure variation
@@michaeldoe4805 That's what we were all told ! I guess the 610 didn't read the book . Not to get too far into the weeds , I don't think this round is 100% or compressed . If the ammo was hand loaded for a 4" barrel = faster powder , not a long barrel 8" or a rifle = slow powder Sam thinks is likely used in the 357 & 44 mag common loads . They might be more user friendly in a 4" . It looks like with mid range loads , seating depth may not be too much of an issue . Same with the Gap ! Not a Huge issue .
Some defensive hollow point ammo in .38 Special +P are like this also; lower power but with less recoil - for better shootability... Perhaps we could see some .38 Special +P versus .40 S&W comparisons in the near future (just a thought)?
I did a series like that already, but in larger guns. I did like 4 or 5 videos, this was my first one: th-cam.com/video/dDydJGsBS4Y/w-d-xo.html
Sam is having fun with his new toy :)))
Gun Sam good shooting as always. 😊
Thanks, I have both although 10 mm thru an auto (Colt Delta Elite)
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Thanks again
I am impressed Sam 👍🏿
great video Sam
I've tested .357, .45+, & both 9mm + loads. I think the .45 and 10mm Critical Duty are pretty good, the rest meh. As civilian I prefer HST, for Duty/Security Gold Dot, but Critical Duty is good if you carry a reload or extra in car if fmj isn't used. If I do carry a 3" .357 then I think the Critical Duty is a nice reload & goes into chambers smoothly for speedloader or strips. I Tested it vs old Underwood 125 Gold Dots from 3". I compared the two 9mm +ps both short & long barrels: one is better for pistols, one is better in longer PCC PDW type stuff IMO. Time for FBI to go back to 10mm 😊
The Critical Duty .45 ACP is actually more powerful than the .357 Mag and 10mm Critical Duty. 503 ft lbs energy in my 5.3" Glock. The 10mm in the same Glock was 500 ft lbs energy.
@@GunSam haha watch my Modern Meat Target vs hst blew the mag out of my crappy Khar
kinda similar energy. interesting thing is a local store has a s&w model 610 for sale like yours around 800$. s&w has a 610 has a 6 inch version too i think. s&w 310 is blued scandium revolver for 10mm.
Decent price really. I went to the store around me that was like $80 cheaper and it still was like $1,130 before tax.
Another wonderful test. honest, you get what you got. I don't on a 10mm but greatly considering some. 357mag and 10mm to wonderful calibers. papa wishing you well 😊
Couple of things. The two cartridges are roughly equivalent in ballistics, with the advantage going to the .357 because of case capacity. The main issue with 10mm in a revolver is the moon clips. These will always negatively affect trigger pull--it's going to be heavier just to ensure ignition with the clips. They will improve reload speed. That's a judgement call depending on what is important to you. I'm not a fan of moon clips. I learned my lesson with the S&W 625. Auto rim cases were far superior for any use other than action shooting. Somewhat ironically, I found half-moon clips more convenient for field use.
I never noticed a trigger pull issue, in fact my 10mm here has a lighter and smoother trigger press than the 686.
@@GunSam It's a matter of having to deal with the moon clip. All other things being equal, the clip will require more force to ensure reliable ignition. Individual guns vary a lot, but when it comes to trigger jobs this is something that has to be accounted for. My own 625 had a pretty good trigger, but it wasn't as good as any of my M57s.
I have shot this model 610 with the moon clip VS my 686. Even brand new, the 610 has a lighter and smoother trigger than the 686 I been shooting for 7 years. There's no reason a moon clip would require more hammer strike force. With or without the moon clip in place, the primers sit at an identical distance from the breech face. The 610 is not cut for moon clips.
@@GunSam There's every reason. The clip is spring steel. It flexes. They may or may not sit flat on the cylinder face. You need more force to ensure ignition. It's going to vary from gun to gun and even from clip to clip. It becomes really apparent when you get a bent clip.
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The 45+p critical duty are the tits. Interested to see how they keep up with it
I have ran it before. A tad more powerful than these two.
My least favorite ammo and the results are still unimpressive. I don't care for low velocity "light" 357Mag and prefer the Remington 125gr SJHP 357mag. In 10mm I still haven't seen any better than Buffalo Bore.
True story.
I don't mean to be rude, but your comment doesn't seem experience induced. Specifically with this ammo, it performed perfectly. With the hard lead alloy, more power would not have caused greater expansion, rather it would have made them over-penetrate. One might say, well then make the bullet less hard - but that would defeat the purpose of it being able to defeat hard barriers, hence the name "Critical Duty". At the end of the day, the power levels are spot on if you know why they need to be at the velocity they are at!
@GunSam I understand the purpose and in the extremely rare occasion LE will use them against hard barriers they definitely do well however, like all Critical Duty ammo, their expansion is literally the bare minimum on non handed targets and that's where almost every other JHP or SJHP out performs Critical Duty. It's also one of the reasons the majority of LE users dropped this ammo.
@@GunSam Sam, he’s right.
In the world of “do all” projectiles, Critical Duty has come the closest. But what we have learned is that for every take there is a give.
Can’t do everything well. …yet. Still, hats off to Hornady. I personally couldn’t have done what they have done, much less better.
Are there revolvers in sizes smaller than an N frame that use 10mm ammo? It seems all these revolvers with 10mm are much larger than the usual J and K frame revolvers that use .357
They load the 10mm soft compared to what it was intended to be.
That's because they use the 40s&w bullets, which work better than 9mm in every scenario. They load it in 10mm to work as best as it can, which is near the velocity of the 40s. Same thing with 357/38. The same bullet can't work best at both velocities!
I bet that 357 must be a good load in the ruger sp101 snubby
If they would load that 10mm bullet to max velocity I would call it a winner. But as is for carry both would be just fine.
Maybe you could fix the bullet creep by running them (even factory loads) through a crimping die. Wondering if anyone has tried this.
I have debated trying it, but generally I just review ammo, 99% of it I don't carry. If I was gonna carry it, I probably would roll crimp it and make sure to never take out of a moon clip to differentiate it so it don't get loaded in a semi auto somehow.
I don't understand why Ruger made the 10 mm in the frame of the gp100, instead Smith and Wesson preferred to do it in the N frame.
The GP100 is bigger than a Smith L frame from what I understand. Smith already had a history of making .45 ACP 6 shot N frames, no reason to change it. If the GP100 is big enough for a 6 shot 10mm, no reason to go up to a Redhawk.
Holiday is weak sauce I would not use it for a two-legged cryptic
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Shoot at 75 yards with a bit hotter loads both calibers, see if you hit the 18:52 steel better ?
Mild loads should not have bullet creep ?
Like your channel . ♡10mm♡
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Pretty weak loads for both cartridges
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Those are some weak rounds.. any under 550ft pounds for 10mm and 357mag is sad.
They're just made to have the bullet penetrates and expand as the bullet is designed.
If you want bad ass ammo,.just do jacketed soft points.
@@logangodofcandy I do like Remington 125 grain jsp in my 357mag I use it when I deer hunt.
Well done. Good testing methods, valid results. Thanks.