.32 H&R Mag VS .38 Special Episode 3: Buffalo Bore +P
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- Another installment of .32 H&R Mag VS .38 Special in snub nose revolvers and today I have the Buffalo Bore +P ammunition. The .38 Special is a 125 gr+P Gold Dot bullet rated at 1,072 FPS in a 2" barrel and the .32 H&R Mag is a 100 gr+P XTP bullet rated at 1,054 FPS in a 2" barrel. I am testing for actual velocity and accuracy and terminal ballistics with my Taurus 605 2" barrel for the .38 Special+P and the Ruger LCR 1.875" barrel for the .32 H&R Mag+P. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.paypal.me/...
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I wanted to point out that Buffalo Bore says DO NOT use this .32 H&R Magnum+P ammo in any revolver that is an H&R BRAND revolver. This ammunition is safe for all other .32 H&R Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum chambered revolvers such as Charter Arms, S&W, Ruger or any other modern production .327 Federal Magnum or .32 H&R Magnum revolver.
H&R Brand revolvers would be the last of these revolvers i would use +p ammo out of, don't get me wrong i love those revolvers!
i have an old H&R in 32 SW long, i wonder how that compares to 32 ACP or 25 ACP, very dependable little gun that i would like to give to my sister
@@robertfarris9357 Actually the S&W long can be pretty effective. Remember it was the standard police caliber for many years. Do not expect jacketed bullets or hollow points to perform well at all though. You want lead (preferably soft) with flat nose. Wad cutters at the highest practical velocities and go for the vitals as always.
It seems to me that given the effectiveness of buffalo bores 32 h&r +p and the fact that modern revolvers can handle it, there may not have been a need for federal to develop the 327 magnum after all. A +p saami spec for this round may have been enough to revive it as a good alternative for 38 spl +p
The charter arms tech man, Nick, said you must not use any buffalo bore ammo in their .32 revolvers even tho the revolvers say magnum on them. Both BB .32 s&w long and BB .32 magnum jam tight in the cylinder after firing. So tight I need to pull them out with a wrench. But then Fiocchi .32 s&w long also jams just as tight in the Charter Arms.
I would really like for .327 and 32h&r to rise in popularity.
It would be nice. Definitely worth hand loading as actual material is low, less lead for bullets, less powder etc. Funny how factory ammo is more than others.
It raised up a bit once Henry made the lever actions in the caliber. But then it kind of dropped back down. I think if companies would apply the typical benefits of a .32 to more revolvers they would rise up some. Like how in a 5 shot .38 you can hold 6, well now we got 7 and 8 shot .357's so why cant we get an 8 shot .32 or a 9 maybe even 10 shot one?
I think my ultimate dream gun would be a Chiappa Rhino in .327 Federal Magnum. 7 shots in the Rhino would be perfect. Would be nice if they made a .44 Magnum Rhino too, as that could open the door to an 8 shot.
@@Predalien195 For a decade I begged North American Arms to make a four-shot tip-up mini revolver in .32 H&R Mag as a serious pocket carry piece, but they never agreed...…………………………..elsullo
@@elsullo2 There's a 4 barreled derringer in .32 H&R Magnum out there on the market or there was a proposed idea of one. Trying to remember who made it but think it was along a similar idea to one of those volley fire type guns, one pull fires 2 barrels kinda deal.
I'd rather NAA revive the .32 NAA and bring it in a package like the SIG P365, that would be a serious contender.
Lipsey is doing a S&W 632 and 432 in 32 H&R mag that look awesome!
1200+fps out of a snubby, WOW! I expected the .38 to be excellent but was impressed with the .32h&r, a caliber I am becoming more impressed with. Great demonstration of two very effective rounds for revolvers.
Thank you. It's funny how most brands I test are 100 to 250 FPS below listed, but Buffalo Bore with the .32 H&R was giving me as much as 200 FPS above listed velocity with some of those single readings.
327_FEDERAL sounds more tempting everyday..
Do it. Likely the most versatile chambering EVER for a snubbie. And the LCR is a very nicely executed EDC.
It has become my primary! Glocks, Smiths, other Rugers now safe queens! Buf Bore +P is the way to go for me!
Randy Souse-Git yeah love it! It’s my winter coat pocket gun. 👍🏻
I agree. Just do it. You won't be disappointed at all.
Again a nice comparison. The 32 H&R is catching my interest more and more.
Thanks. I really like the low recoil aspect of most of them, there's something fun about them.
Good video - great tests. I've been re-watching a lot of your older videos here lately. It is a lot of information to absorb, but I've changed some of my carry rounds from watching them.
Thanks for watching. Take it with a grain of salt and make sure it does well for you in your accuracy testing!
I regret that I have but one like to give for each of your videos. As always, great work
Heck yeah man! I just bought a 3" .32 h&r mag. I will def. Be carrying B. Bore in it. Thank you for doing test like these. They are very helpful.
Thanks for watching! I don't know 100% about +P in an H&R Mag as I didn't worry about it with my revolver being a .327 Magnum, so I would double check on Buffalo Bore's website to see what they say about it.
Was it the Charter Arms Professional?
From what I've heard charter arms professional claims to be +p over pressure safe
Buffalo Bore never lets me down. They do some ballistic magic with .38 special.
I love Gold Dots, and BB gets max performance from them. Good times. It doesn't get any better in a 38 snubby load. The 32 H&R would be very useful too, as a concealable trail gun or the smallest possible 6 shot revolver with a very good power level- and centerfire too. Very nice work. If i was still in LE, i might use one as a backup.
Thanks for standing in the cold and testing these rounds for us while we are sitting inside. Looks to me like I'm going to be purchasing some of this BuffaloBore for my .38LCR edc. Merry Christmas!
Thanks for watching! I have a good feeling about these .38 Special rounds as they seem perfect. I can't wait to test them in the 4" barrel as I have no doubt that 1,250 to 1,300 FPS+ will be what I see. I have never fired a .38 Special round that was within normal weight range (125 to 158 gr) that was also jacketed that was close to the 500 ft lbs range, any .38 Special+P rounds I have tested in that energy range were either so light they fragment and won't penetrate, or are pure lead and also fragment, or are hard cast and overpentrate. These 125 gr bullets should fix all of those issues. Out of the 4" barrel these 125 gr+P's will exceed the .357 Mag Gold Dot 135 gr in the 2" barrel by probably 75 ft lbs energy, so I am exited to see that test when I do it.
Relatively new gun owner, here. When I bought the first guns of my current era (I had a rifle as a kid, but it got lost in one or another of my moves...), 9mm semi-autos seemed the easiest to acquire and feed. I have a few 9mm CZ products, and there's a P365XL in the arsenal, and an M&P Shield 9.
My hands are fairly large, and the Sig doesn't feel right (too narrow). The only reason I still have the Shield 9 is that shortly after I bought it, the Shield Plus came on the market, and nobody wants the older one. I also keep it for its concealability, but I am not over-fond of the thing.
Out of curiosity--and succumbing to the N+1 thing--I recently bought a CA Undercoverette in .32 H&R Magnum. My prior experience with a revolver was a S&W Airweight in .38, and the felt recoil was unpleasant. This .32 is really nice!
Seeing the muzzle velocities from BB ammo out of a snubbie is astonishing. I don't have wherewithal to do the testing you and others do, so have to rely on watching a range of video feeds to choose my carry ammo.
Been carrying .32 Buffalo Bore for several years and, after running a few of my own tests, have never felt under gunned.
I Practice with .32 longs or wad cutters and carry only Buffalo Bore.
Yeah, Buffalo Bore makes some really powerful ammo!
Another good video!👍👍
Thanks!
Every one of my several revolvers is stoked only with Buffalo Bore, no other ammo, in my opinion, touches it
Just added a 327 Federal barrel to my Bond Arms collection. Hopefully soon a SP101 will be in my future. Thank you for all the work you’re doing. Hopefully this round will gain in popularity
That 32 was hot! I’ve done some testing with xtp... and that was about right expansion. I’ve done a little range time in -10 F weather, and not really noticed anything significant with handguns.
Keep up the videos!
I was told to go with this caliber 5 years ago. It took time for the idea to sink in. Man, I am so glad I finally saw the light. No more bruised hand with .38s out of my airweight. Now I can shoot .32ACP, .32 Long, all day long at the range and then carry the Buf Bore Mag +P for SD. What a GREAT caliber. I just ordered the CT green laser for my Ruger 327, and cannot wait to add that feature. If you're on the fence, JUMP on this one.
I lot of people will tell you that it shoots 5 cartridges, and this is in a sense true as people do it, but keep in mind that Ruger recommends the use of only .327 Federal Mag, .32 H&R Mag and .32 S&W Long from their .327 Federal revolvers because unlike the .327 Federal, .32 H&R Mag and .32 S&W Long that have a rim thickness of 5.5/100th of an inch, the .32 S&W(Short) and the .32 ACP have a rim thickness of 4.5/100th of an inch, so there will be more wobble room behind the rim against the frame, which _can_ cause the cartridge to jump back, essentially causing the firing pin to hit the primer harder, causing a pierced primer, also the .32 ACP is a bullet diameter of .3125" as where all the others are .3120". So the .32 S&W(short) and the .32 ACP while being compatible enough to usually get away with shooting them, are not _truly_ compatible. I would say that since .32 S&W Long is just as affordable as .32 ACP, that this is probably the better economy cartridge to run through it instead of .32 ACP. Thanks for watching!
That little .32 H&R Mag is really trucking!
It's not bad!
No need to even buy 327 federal mag ammo at 1,200+ it’ll do the same job!👍🏻
First, the revolver is the best defensive carry pistol, and the Ruger LCR in .327 Fed Magnum is the BEST of the lot. Quit being so defensive about promoting revolvers----those that complain are not informed or experienced.
32 H&R is a fantastic round
Minimal recoil, sound & flash and great round for close quarters home defense
I've always been impressed with the .32 H&R Magnum but I was also under the impression it was really intended as a rifle cartridge. Factory loads always worked well in my S&W 431PD but sometimes I would get very light primer strikes.
Yes, that why my new Charter Arms 7 shot 32 H*R Mag. is my new CCW, with two or four (R7) FIVE STAR speed loaders. Again sweet video.
THANKYOU! I was hoping that you might get to this test, and you did not fail my request despite the cost! I too am impressed with the velocities; more than I hoped! I have shot two boxes of Buffalo Bore through my 3 inch Airweight S&W .32 Magnum, and the revolver shows absolutely zero wear or damage. Now I can be confident that this is a really effective load for my six-shot snubby…………………………….elsullo
I honestly don't remember requests but I did see it online and decided to try it. If you requested it and I forgot I apologize, either way here it is! What I like with .32 H&R is the same thing I like with the .38 Special. If you noticed I used the .357 Magnum Taurus and .327 Magnum LCR as the way I see it, you can go as hot as you want with .32 H&R Mag+P and .38 Special+P and still be very far below what those revolvers are rated for. Ammunition companies might not all stick to SAAMI or CIP specs, but they have to at least try to be close so they don't blow up guns and get sued. So in reality the .327 Mag revolver is rated at 45,000 PSI and the .357 at 35,000 PSI, but even these cartridges are probably 23,000 and 20,000 PSI so very very safe.
Great video! I always felt that if manufacturers such as Taurus had invested in the 32acp/magnum instead of the .380 this round would have taken off.
Thanks! I know that at some point Taurus had some revolvers for it, including Charter and S&W and others but for some reason they quit. I think maybe the creation of the .327 Federal might have killed revolvers chambered in .32 H&R because who's going to want one when they think that company should be making a .327 which Taurus, Charter and S&W don't make either. Sort of how a lot of revolvers in straight .38 Special in some respects disappeared until recently because why not make it in .357 Mag sort of thinking. All in all the the semi auto popularity is probably the biggest reason to not go with it, the .380 makes more sense to a company trying to make money.
@@GunSam can't seem to find them yet but now Taurus has a 327
Late to the party, here!
A video from Chris Baker at Lucky Gunner got me to thinking about a wheel gun in .32. I didn't find one in .327, but I did find a Charter Arms Lavender Lady in .32 H&R Magnum, and after a little practice, I find it as accurate for me in "rapid target acquisition" drills as my beloved CZ 75D PCR, and easier to hide in summer clothing.
I don't know whether I'll buy any Buffalo Bore ammo. An online contact is trying to talk me into reloading, especially for my .32 stuff, and I'm pondering it. At the expected muzzle velocities, I'm not sure JHP projectiles will expand to do the damage that SWC projectiles would do, but I'm thinking carefully about the differences.
Thanks for posting this educational video, especially considering it was made in cold weather.
Sounds like you found a good load for the 32 caliber pistol that you can pocket carry
It's an alright round, and interestingly enough the .327 Federal Magnum Federal Hydrashok had less power than this .32 H&R round.
Wow! That is an unexpected finding and good to know.
Heyy-o ! I bought a CA .32 H&R revolver w/3" bbl. Can't wait to try this BB stuff out. Have to order some next payday. I found one box of Federal in a small town gunstore (they only had the one, dang it!) and the CA shoots well. Wish ammo was in better supply.
You’re starting to be the best revolver channel on TH-cam. Seriously man very underrated channel and very knowledgeable
I handload the 100 grain XTP in 32 H&R to "Ruger-only" levels which is almost identical to those BB rounds (both, incidentally, very close to original black powder 32-20 from a rifle). I haven't tried them through clothing to see how they perform, but I use them for predators, so no need in my case. If one were considering it for a carry load, it might behoove him to test through cloth. The XTP is a very good bullet- especially for hunting- but some sizes/weights can be inconsistent through barriers, although the 9mm/ 90 grain XTP is possibly the finest 380 ACP bullet available.
I have tested that 90 gr bullet once by testing the American Gunner .380 ammo. I do recall it performing pretty well.
@@GunSam That XTP deep penetrating load used to be only from Fiocci, but Hornady caught on with the .380 American Gunner line! Did I learn that here?...…………………………..elsullo
Just want to remind people that Gun_Sam has done some fine work with the S&W long as well. Worth the time to search his channel
Right now we carry .38, but i've been looking hard at .32 as we get older...the .32 h&r ammo has been on the shelf around here lately, and .32 s&w also...it is a little high priced, but first i gotta convince the better half it is a decent idea...she is a committed revolver person, so that part of the battle already won, trying to determine exactly which revolver would be best...
Thanks alot, i was looking for this ammo test for long time.
On the verge of 10k subs. Congrats Sam!
Thank you. Just another number. But still kind of cool.
That was just awesome. I bet both those rounds out of a 4 inch Barrel would be approaching 357 Magnum territory. Most excellent video again Sam. Thanks
Thank you, and that's definitely in the territory of thought. I would estimate 1,300 FPS in a 4" based on the increase over rated in the snub of adding 40 FPS. BB rates it at 1,258 FPS in a 4" S&W. That would be around 470 ft lbs if I am right with the 1,300 FPS. Be a funny sarcastic video to claim how awesome 9mm is, test the hottest I have which is the Gold Dot +P just shy of 400 ft lbs, and act confused how the worthless .38 Special tricked the chronograph, then dismiss what I see in the ballistic test as a fluke lol.
@@GunSam that would be a very awesome video for all the revolver lovers like myself that always have to hear how anemic and obsolete the 38 Special is always coming out of the mouth of a hipster tactifool.lol
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ if you could get ahold of one I’d love to see your test in a 6” GP100 for the H&R Buffalo bore!👍🏻
Your videos are great
Always look forward to see what you got going on
Learn a lot from what you do
Thanks
Thank you.
Buffalo bore is fantastic ammo. I personally prefer it over Underwood and many of the factory offerings for their performance in advertised velocity, quality control is also great (I’ve never had any of their ammo not perform as advertised) and their selection is great also.
Great test, Their advertised velocity is usually spot on. Their website also gives the actual firearm used for testing for a lot of their loads which is nice.
Any plans on testing Buffalo bores standard pressure .38 special 158 grain Lead SWCHP? I know their plus P offering in that load is wicked, but in my limited testing so far the standard pressure is meeting advertised velocity and also expanding for me out of a 2” snub. Would like to see your results on that cartridge.
Keep up the great work.
Thanks. I have been looking more at Buffalo Bore recently. I have tested the +P version but it was too much power for how soft the lead was. I might test the standard pressure version, but I am also looking at their hard cast wadcutter ammo and others.
@@GunSam I would really like to see the hard cast wadcutter tested. I've been looking at that ammo myself.
Both of those kicked ass! Also both of those had more than the advertised energy of the Sig 365 ammo from a 3" barrel in 9mm. Both were clearly in 9mm short barrel territory with any 9mm loading. Toe to toe penetration. Less damage to the bologna pack, but who cares? That's just surface damage. Getting to the vitals is where it's at and these both did it! I'm impressed,
I would love to see the .32 H&R in a 100 gr Gold Dot bullet, and if I remember right the Speer Gold Dot ammo in .327 Federal Magnum used that bullet, so I know it exists.
@@GunSam I wonder if it can hold together at that velocity. Although, for all I know, Speer uses different alloys of lead and different plating thicknesses for their different Gold Dot bullets.
@@Fudmottin When I tested the .327 Federal Magnum Speer Gold Dot ammunition 100 gr (that's a mouthful) it was averaging 1,398 FPS and expanded to a perfect flowering .537", so I have no doubt that the 1,238 FPS of this load would do just fine. There wouldn't be any reason why there would be two different .312" 100 gr Gold Dot bullets as far as I can think of, and the Speer Gold Dot .327 is using the short barrel bullet, not the deep curl HP bullet.
@@GunSam Given that info, I would definitely like to see how the Gold Dot would have performed in that BB load. My general impression of the XTP bullets is that they are made for, and require, high velocity to work and have a bit more emphasis on penetration over expansion. I think they have been used in loads that were simply not pushing them fast enough to perform as intended. I'm sure you could rattle those right off as you've got more experience than I do with the different XTP loads out there. You know I'm a big fan of the Gold Dots. So you can imagine the wee bit of awkwardness I feel defending XTP bullets. LOL.
@@Fudmottin Just wanted to stop by and say "HI!" to my buds. Can't think of much to add to the convo down here. BB is pretty damn good at what they do. I trust their ammo more than anyone else's.
Charter Arms makes the 'Undercoverette' in .32 H&R.
Unfortunately, only anodized steel, not high-polished steel, is available.
Love Buffalo Bore and love your channel. Good video. Thanks!
Thank you!
In snub nose revolvers, this is where the .32 caliber tend to shine. They offer similar power, flatter trajectories, less felt recoil, and an extra round vs the .38/.357/9mm revolvers. When you step it up to 4 inch barrels, they remain fairly comparable with the .38/.357/9mm pulling ahead usually however but often not to such significant numbers.
Major downside can be sourcing ammo... finding .32 H&R is becoming harder and harder. Even online many sources are only carrying Cowboy load stuff or Federal LSWC loads for target practice. But... .327 Federal however seems to be a bit easier with more variety AND it can fire the .32 H&R and .32 S&W Long or .32 S&W Short if you can find that.
For commonality purposes, I dont blame people who want to stick to .38 Special. However, most people I encounter dont realize they need to push their .38's to a certain velocity to get reasonable expansion AND penetration. They just assume they will open up and do just fine. Where as I've seen plenty of .32 caliber JHP's that open up good in snub nose barrels from the factory or they at least open up moderately well.
I guess the major take away here is if you want the advantages a .32 brings to the table it's worth investing in. But if you dont see any of those reasons as being an advantage then just stick with the more common .38's.
In my opinion it's really not a gigantic step to go to something like a .32 H&R or .327 Federal as all of what's needed is easily obtainable for slightly more money, and anyone serious about this stuff knows there's a lot of money involved in the shooting sports. I mean, I do understand why guys buy a $300 9mm and only 9mm ammo, but once you step into .38 and .357 territory you might as well take one more step to .327 lol
@@GunSam I think there's a lot of people who are just infatuated with numbers on paper and see only that. However, I will say this... for hunting application I do believe the .357 has a potential edge. With the ability to run hard cast loads with heavier bullets is a big deal to a lot of people. But the number of cases that are increasing of people killing things like bears using 9mm hard cast loads are slowly proving that the need for larger calibers and heavier projectiles to be a bit false.
It seems more like you are firing buffalo bore 327 100 grain. They rate that version at 1300 out of a 3inch barrel and the 32+p is 1100 out of a 2 inch barrel. I could see the 327 falling to 1200 in a 1.8 inch barrel but gaining 100+ft is a stretch considering most manufacturers claim the best performance numbers on the box and what you get in real world is equal or less
If that's not worth buying a man a cup of coffee, what is. Stay warm! Best regards Sam and Merry Xmas!
Thanks! When it's all edited it looks easy, but then I think back to all the prep and work of the day lol
I like these wheel gun ammo comparisons ..
Thanks! I don't see much .32 caliber revolver tests out there either, so I have to do my best!
Awesome test! I enjoyed this video very much.
Thank you and thanks for watching!
I'm gonna grill me a bison steak in honor of this series. Because I like it. The series that is. And the steak. And the Buffalo Bore. And Grizzly Adams--I mean Gun Sam.
I am probably too young to know who Grizzly Adams is, but I remember watching Happy Gilmore and the mean guy says something like "yeah, that will be the day, and Grizzly Adams had a beard", and a random guy says, "Grizzly Adams DID have a beard". Anyways, I been debating on whether to do more content with more traditional ammo, or less quantity of content and more Buffalo Bore ammo.
Thanks for your hard work need some more of the"Buffalo".
Thanks for watching. I have been looking at their whole line and am probably going to test more of it.
Thanks for the awesome vid. I have the Ruger LCR 327 Fed Magnum. I've concluded that 327 Fed Magnum ammo is too much and 32H&R Magnum is the way to go. And the Buffalo Bore ammo looks like a very good choice.
Thanks. The Hydrashok .327 is a good round too, even less energy andxrecoil than this .32 H&R.
@@GunSam K, I will check it out.
Some good info as always...really like 38+p in my 442
Thank you.
Love your videos and testing methods. Any chance on seeing some newer 44 mag videos
Thank you. I don't currently own and .44's but would love to in the future.
Do the Racoons watch you film waiting for the Bologna ?
I have no idea. It's always missing on the next trip out.
Hey it’s better than throwing it out. 🤷♂️
timmybmn yeah I’m sure raccoons or a fox/coyote are getting it.
Wow! That .38 round seems to be pretty amazing for what it is. I have a couple questions, if you ever answer questions (I don’t know, I’m a new subscriber).
My carry round is the Underwood 125-grain +P Gold Dot. I know it’s sufficient and then some. It does kick almost .357 hard (both my carry revolvers are .357 snubbies, and I have tried the ‘real’ stuff in them), and it’s .357 deafening and blinding to boot. You said it didn’t feel anything like .357 usually does, and I didn’t see a tremendous fireball. No way to know how it sounds, because I know recording equipment quiets loud sounds and boosts quiet ones.
Have you tested the 125-grain Underwood Gold Dot stuff? If so, how would you say it compares? Obviously, in a self-defense situation, I’m not going to feel recoil or notice immediately if my eardrums rupture, but the flash genuinely is kind of a problem, and if you can enjoy practicing with a cartridge, you’re ALWAYS going to hit better with it. I might want this as my new carry load, it seems almost a bit good to be true. Thanks for the awesome work!
Personally, I don't see the point of 32 H&R. 327 basically gives you 9mm+P power in a Snub nose plus an extra round in small frame revolvers, and 32 long gives you low recoil, high accuracy, and enough power to drive solids deep enough to be usable for defense. 32 H&R doesn't have enough power to expand most hollow points and too much power to use solids. If you have to use a boutique load like Buffalo Bore +P to get expansion, there is a problem with the cartridge. Same as the 380, but unlike the 380, 32 H&R doesn't really benefit from the new tech bullet designs.
I was worried for your safety there for a second Sam! Thought the bologna was going to attach you. Then I remembered... it was already dead... it just didn't know it!!
I get attacked on here with people full of bologna daily!
Thanks, didn't occur to me about the date(s) of your videos.
Well done !! ⛄🎄❄❄❄
Man I’m gonna have to get some of that H&R ammo for my LCR and GP 100! 👍🏻
Excellent video ! 👍
Thanks!
You know how .38 Spl is heavily marketed towards women, for example: the Lady Smith line of model 60 snub nosed revolvers. I think it would be better if they switched that up to .327 Fed Mag or .32H&R Mag, which would improve sales of the .32 line. I will end by adding that I do not believe revolvers are a female only firearm. I am just pointing out that there are entire lines of revolvers targeted towards women in sales. I know part of the reason for this is limp wristing jams, which revolvers do not suffer from, plus purse carry and revolvers may fire while inside a pocket or purse. Anyway, marketing for .32 needs to be better overall. Edited to add I do not own any .32s. I do rock a S&W model 60 3” barrel .38spl.
Good video. Thanks👍!
Thank you.
Great work Sam! It is a shame finding a 32 Magnum revolver is like looking for a snake in the grass. It's a very fine caliber. But I am curious. Would you test a 38 Special wadcutter against a conventional jacketed hollowpoint and a lead round nosed for comparison?
Thanks! I have been wanting to get more into wadcutters again including more inverted hollow base ones that have a harder lead alloy than my previous test. Wadcutter VS HP is definitely on my radar, however FMJ or RN are difficult for me to judge damage.
Interesting! Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
@@GunSam my pleasure. thanks for making good vids on the guns and calibers i own.
I shot 5 rounds of Buf.Bore 38+p through my ultra-lite Taurus and it shook it out of timing....
wow! those H&R Magnums are moving at Federal Magnum velocities! did they load it that way on purpose?!
I really like that you have developed a standard testing protocol, it lets us compare what you did this week with something you did last month. There is another channel I like to watch that is even further North and colder than you are. Like I said I like the channel but the bullet testing drives me up the wall. Sometimes he has a watermelon in front of the water jugs, sometimes it’s a cantaloupe or a dinner plate or an empty propane cylinder or a . . . Well you get the picture. No way to compare rounds from one test to the next.
Sounds like Chuck! Sometimes I do get bored with the exact same testing, but I also really like it too. I need to get creative again and do some more cool stuff like backwards wadcutters and .32 ACP in the LCR and fun stuff, maybe a 10mm barrel for my Glock 41!
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ , what would be interesting is a series using the same Ammo in 2” vs 4” barrel. For example take 9mm HST and shoot it in 2” DB and 4” Ruger. You have the guns to do the same thing with 38 and 357.
I do carry .38 SPL+P in one of my GP 100, 6" barrel carry guns. I carry .357, 125 grain hollow points in the other. However, despite the fact that my second back-up gun, the S&W Model 638, is rated for .38+P I do not carry +P ammo in it because when I have fired that ammo in it at the range I've experienced way too much recoil. In fact, its "Airweight" frame seems as though it is going to explode - laterally, that is.
Also, will you please do a review of that new .357 magnum that Rock Island Armory will begin selling next month? I don't know how much they will be asking for it, but the gun is going to be a stainless steel snubbie with a six round capacity. Thank you.
I will not have the ability to obtain that revolver. I would have to eliminate content for 3 months in order to save for it, which I won't do.
Oh no I bought my wife a 638 w/pink grips & black also, for Christmas. Might be to much recoil. Bright side might be mine someday !
38 special is the Magic caliber
I called Charter Arms about using the Buffalo Bore ammo in my 7 shot Professional chambered in .32 H&R Magnum. They do NOT recommend it, and told me it would ruin the gun. I certainly would like to know the truth of the matter.
Charter Arms gun are not built for +p ammunition. they are lightly built and wear out quicker than a gun using more robust parts.
I also called CA re their .32 snubbie. Their tech guy told me Buffalo Bore h&r magnums can cause "catastrophic failure" in their . 32s.
I’d love to see this test with your gel blocks!
My second newest video I run this very .32 H&R Mag.
Buffalo Bore ammunition is some hot loads.
Thanks. Didn’t think you could get those velocities out of snubbies. I do not know if you are familiar with Fortunecookie45LC’s channel but he recently got some surprising results with reloading 38 short Colt. I think you would enjoy that video or not:)
I know of him. I used to watch but have not in a couple of years. I have not seen his video on .38 Short Colt, but I do know some guys will essentially load them to similar powder charge as a 9mm as the case lengths are pretty much identical, then fire them through .357 Magnum revolvers. That way you have some 35,000 PSI Short Colts ready to make a bad day in someone's .38 Special revolver lol, that's why I never up-load rounds.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ He was using 4 grains of Universal Powder. With a 105 grain wadcutter and was getting velocities of around 1040FPS. He didn’t seem to have any pressure issues and the primers did not bulge. But I’m not much of a reloader.
I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "is that a 38 caliber revolver or only a 32"?
I wonder if Buffalo Bore and Underwood Ammo understand that a pistol is not a rifle?
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Sam, how was the recoil on the .32 H&R compared to the .38 sp +p?
.32 H&R Mag recoil is always lighter than .38 Special+P. In these guns though it was similar just because the .357 revolver is 3 oz heavier than the .327 revolver.
Good video, Because of your last video on 32 H&R MAG. I picked up two 7 shot Charter arms, 32 H&R MAG. 3'' pro's kick on it is less then my Ruger Mark II 22 LR. I got them for two older family members, Now I want one lol. Trying to see if anyone has speed loaders for them. With my duty 586 -4'' or my off duty 64-snub nose I carry 3 speed loaders. You look cold. Thanks again for your videos.
Thank you. I have been asked a lot about those Charter Arms .32 H&R revolvers, especially the pro version. I'd be interested to know how well made those Charter's are.
Hey John - Being an older revolver guy, I was fascinated that you duty carry a 586. Are you security, L.E. or some type of special duty officer?
@@LionquestFitness Well I got the job , on May 2, 1988 AT that time you were told to buy , Smith and Wesson, Colt or Ruger 38 or 357 - 4'' I picked S&W 586 and still carry it I am a Cook County Sheriff, 2nd largest county in the United States. Chicago and all the other cities in Cook County. We went to Autos in 1992, I am grandfathered in, me and about 40 others out of 7,000 the county has no age limit, the City of Chicago top age is 62, I am on the job 31 years, I was 36 when I started , 67 now, still going . In 1989 we were told our back ups had to be, 2'' -6 shot snub nose 38s I picked a S&W 64.
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Nothing better than an old revolver LEO. The two inch 64 is one I'm still looking for to add to my collection of K-frame revolvers.
How do you like the quality of those Professionals? I want one but have not seen it advertised anywhere, and it is not on the Charter Arms website. There is only ONE video introduction review of it on all of TH-cam---and it does not even show the gun, just the guy's grinning face! Ewwwww…...…...……………….elsullo
Nice video but I am disappointed there was no mention of felt recoil comparisons. I would expect the H&R to be less than the 38, but still wondering...
I’ve loaded 100 grain xtp in 32h&r mag to 1150fps and it’s more recoil than a 38 spec 158 grain at 850 fps
There's just something about the .32 caliber that has always appealed to me. I have a J-frame S&W 30-1 in .32 S&W Long that I've long considered having the cylinder reamed to take .32 H&R (it was made in the '70s so steel is good and I've seen others done this way that seemed fine). That would give me another, more powerful option for carry, other than warmed handloads in .32 S&W Long (not really a whole lot of room in that case to boost it much before you start seeing flattened primers, in my experience). Or .. hey .. maybe I just need to budget for a new gun? :D
When I was looking at Buffalo Bore ammunition last night I did notice that there are a a couple good options for .32 S&W Long. The one is a 100 gr hard cast wadcutter rated at 900 FPS and the other is a 115 gr flat point hard cast rated at 800 FPS. I don't know the barrel length and yeah they are not hollow point, but they are in the .32 H&R mag energy range.
I would imagine the wadcutter would be decent for self defense.
I currently carry a 115 gr Lead Flat Point (hard cast I'm pretty sure) that seems to be what Buffalo Bore is offering now. I bought mine a while back from a now defunct company and when I run out I'll likely be buying some of that Buffalo Bore 115 gr HCLFP ammo. I may have mentioned this before, I don't remember, but shooting water jugs once that 115 gr. LFP I carry penetrated more jugs (3 liter soda bottles, which are tough and therefor pretty much meaningless, I guess) than even .40 S&W JHP (which actually penetrated least. Most "good" JHP rounds would go into or maybe through the 2nd water bottle (like I said, 3 liter bottles are tough) but that .32 S&W Long made it into the 7th jug and did so pretty much sideways the whole way, making some pretty impressive (for caliber and power) holes. Not sure if that has any correlation at all to your water jug or ballistic gel (that was the last time I used soda jugs, too), but I figure it'll at least break bones that get in the way and reach vital organs, and it does that with quite low recoil, relatively low noise, and with the panache of a .32! ;)
Any chance you can weigh the bologna pack before and after it gets shot to see if some types of ammo blast away more meat?
I haven't shot bologna packs for years now
I would rather carry the .38 Special. I know .32 H&R Magnum has less recoil, higher velocity and a higher capacity, but I like that the .38 Special hits harder. But that's just me.
This is a good .38 Special round for sure. I have noticed in comparison the 9mm, that the tiny jump from .355" to .357" with the slightly larger hollow cavity and steeper profile of a lot of .38 Special bullets does seem to hit harder and do more damage with any given energy vs a 9mm. The 342 ft lbs energy of this round is really equivalent to a 9mm bullet hitting with 375 ft lbs energy.
@@GunSam I wouldn't want to be hit with .32 H&R Magnum or .38 Special. I think Hornady is adding .327 Federal Magnum to their Critical Defense line.
@@podsmpsg1 Yes, I saw that and it was supposed to arrive at Midwayusa on 11-3 but never did and is still awaiting. I been on top of that one!
Question on case extraction: after you fired first gun and set it down, fired 2nd gun and immediately tried to extract, there was the problem pushing out the spent rounds. But the 1st fired gun they fell out fine. Is it because the hot casings had time to cool and shrink?
Once cases expand they won't shrink on their own. The heat on the brass is hardly any, its a split second and not enough heat to expand them its the blast that expands them from pressure, not heat.
Great video! That Taurus is all still. What do you think about the 125 +p Buffalo Bore in a light weight 442 or 642 regarding recoil and stress on the frame assuming limited shooting?
Stress on the frame shouldn't be an issue as it's still .38 Special+P. Recoil would be a bit much, so I suppose the distance used would matter. Up close recoil isn't going to matter if the shots are all over, 7 yards+ it will start to matter if you can't get good control of the recoil.
@@GunSam Thanks. My main concern is the wear and tear on the gun. I will test out recoil and how accurate I can shoot this round. I appreciate your revolver videos. I've owned many handguns over the years but I find myself constantly drawn to revolvers. They just feel right and provide confidence to me over semi autos.
How can Buffalo be so far off. If they advertised 1200+ fps it would be to their advantage. Perhaps some follow up testing on BB to see if this the norm.
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I have a mand a 32 love my mag it's the josb done i dont to cafch one lol
I have to wonder if you were always the same distance from the microphone? The .32 sounded... loud!
20,000 PSI is the max pressure for .38 Special+P and 21,000 PSI for standard pressure .32 H&R. That means for sure the .32 H&R has some higher pressure, but probably a little less powder.
Play it again Sam, lol....
hi, From this episode onward you did not add them to the "32 vs 38" playlist. Are you not using the playlists anymore?
TH-cam has been giving me trouble with adding videos to playlists, it won't allow me to anymore for whatever reason.
27 degrees?🏔 greetings from the 87 degrees South Florida winter
It was actually 23 and wind chill too lol
@@GunSam I would gladly swap 30 degrees with you
@@mitubogoogle Where I am is interesting as it averages about 84 in July with lots of humidity and we all sweat, but in January the average in about 30. We get August highs on rare days of 98 degrees and February lows on rare days of minus -10.
@@GunSam Here in the Appalachian foothills of western WV, exactly the same, except we always have at least a handful of 100+ degree days, usually in August. Your woods look a lot like ours, too. We must be sorta close. Gotta be pretty tough to live and work outside around here, all year long, haha!
Can you describe the difference in recoil? 32 less ???
The .32 H&R is a little less recoil with this ammo. With standard pressure in both the .32 H&R is a lot less recoil than .38 Special.
Gun Sam _Revolver Aficionado_ what 32 h&r magnum not +p do you recommend for ruger lcr 327?
Goes to show factory ammo has zero powder consistency
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Do you like the LCR in 327 federal ?
Yes, it's a nice revolver. I been reading a little more into ammo that it can fire as some people say it's 5 caliber .32 ACP, .32 S&W, .32 S&W Long, .32 H&R Magnum and .327 Federal Magnum....however under closer reading about cartridge dimension and along with Ruger's manual, the only cartridges it can reliably safely fire are .327 Federal Magnum, .32 H&R Magnum and .32 S&W Long. The .32 S&W and .32 ACP have thin rims and slightly different neck and or base diameters. They will fit and fire, but not 100% reliably or safely. But back to the answer, yes I like it lol.
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Thanks G.S., I just don't see the need to go to.32 H&R Mag
It's not for everyone, but there are two main advantages. One is that you get a 6 shot revolver with the same size cylinder as a 5 shot .357, .38 or 9mm. The other advantage is that typically .32 H&R Mag and .327 Federal Magnum have less recoil than their .38 Special and .357 Magnum counterparts. Such as this ammo, the .38 Special had 342 ft lbs and the .32 H&R had 340 ft lbs, but the .32 H&R felt like less recoil to me even with the LCR revolver being 4 oz lighter than the Taurus.
@@GunSam It does make me think i's a viable option for my wife who now has trouble racking a slide; I was leaning towards .38 with +P but it's another option to consider.
I really enjoy your videos, but with all respect,you kinda mumble sometimes, have to listen several times on occasion. Thanks
I get comments like this from time to time, not on this topic, but more or less advice to change something. In this case it would be a mic. Which was already changed months ago. So back at you, with respect try watching current videos before offering advice.