Riker: Captan, with your permission I've decided I'd like to stay on the Enterprise. Picard: Any particular reason for your change of heart? Riker: You're 70 years old with an artificial heart. Being a poker player, I really like those odds. Besides I think I can bang Deanna again.
I have mixed feelings about that. I like Riker as well, but given that he shot up from ensign to commander in only 7 years, it made little sense for him to suddenly stay put. Hell, even Picard was practically stuffing him out the airlock by "Best of Both Worlds".
@UCMzsdsn7JGL70n-CbYBk6bQ Nah, he was just secretly in love with Picard, and was too scared to leave all his friends for a command of his own, despite being ready for it. The whole idea of being a first officer, is to groom someone for a command of their own, sitting on the envious position of first officer of the flagship is rather selfish minded, against the ideals of the federation. Also he threw a massive tantrum when Picard was captured by the cardassians and Jellico was acting captain, just because be made Troy wear a uniform, and made the others actually do some work.
@shafta99 Spock was chief science officer, which is usually a terminal position. command duties secondary. riker was executive officer which is solely a leadership position to learn the skills needed to run the operation themselves one day. huge difference.
Chris Lucas it wasn’t that Riker didn’t get along with Jelico because he was passed over for control of the Enterprise despite the fact that he i don’t know saved the federation from the Borg when he was in command of the Enterprise
Riker was smart, he knew it was better for his career to be the first officer of the federation flagship, than the captain of some more or less unknown vessel. He wanted his choice of command, not taking what he could get. It was a better idea to hold out for the Titan.
Hard to say for sure. Riker was always an ambitious person, moving his way upwards. I'm sure he could still have done the same after a short stint on the Aries and having the benefit of the captain rank. By the Dominion war, he could have well been commanding his own Galaxy class vessel.
The Enterprise D was the flagship at the time so... it's not silly. As for Riker, Best of Both Worlds tackled this topic of Riker's ambition. And as Troi noted, he was happy aboard the Enterprise. Peter David's New Frontier books delved further into Riker's mind through the eye's of Shelby... to some insightful and comedic effect
Once again I ask you to open at least wikipedia and stop embarrassing yourself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-D) "The Enterprise-D is a Galaxy-class ship and the fifth Federation starship in the Star Trek universe to carry the name Enterprise.[2] Enterprise-D is the flagship of Starfleet.[3] For majority of the ship's service in the Star Trek universe, the commanding officer of Enterprise-D is Captain Jean-Luc Picard. "
:-D who the fuck cares about your bullshit, in the story they called it a flagship, so, according to the story, it is a flagship. Maybe the requirements changed during the 300 years into the future, you know. Let me tell you another secret: Warp is not real, no Galaxy class starship has ever existed, Picard is a fictional character... ;-)
Picard was in his 60s. Humans in the 24th century can easily live for 125 years. There is no way Enterprise-D would be in service long enough for Picard to reach 120.
I love the interaction at the beginning, especially the part about taking months to reach somewhere at high warp, with no guarantee of discovering anything at the end of the journey. It highlights the distances involved in space travel, even with advanced technology. It's a fact that often gets glossed over.
I actually would think that most Klingons would have a difficulty with explaining how they feel about their fellow crew members without it feeling awkward
I've always headcannoned it that Riker was banking on Picard being promoted up into the Admiralty at some point before Season Five, this would then allow Riker to become Captain of the Federation Flagship by default. He must have assumed that after 25 years as a starship captain and pushing close to 70 Picard would welcome a slower pace. I think Riker changed his plans when in Season One Picard was offered promotion to Rear Admiral and to take the post of Commandant of Starfleet Academy and turned it down flat. Even when it was offered by a very senior four star Admiral who had been his friend for decades and Riker knew Picard would have loved that job. He decided to stay as XO of the Federation Flagship and bare in mind the plan ALMOST worked when Picard was assimilated. From the Season Seven episode "Parallels" we know that most of the alternate Picard's in the multiverse died when Riker destroyed the Borg Cube over Earth in "The Best of Both Worlds" so after the battle he kept his field commission as captain and took permanent command of the Enterprise. So when taken as a whole (all the universes) Riker's plan to wait out Picard and grab the Enterprise worked.
Riker should have been given full PERMANENT command of the Enterprise after the "Best of Both Worlds". At the time, Starfleet knew very little about the Borg. So even with Picard getting rescued, Picard should have NEVER been given command back (especially not right away in the same episode) of the Enterprise. Picard needed a full psychological evaluation, and even be quietly retired by Starfleet command.
That's not how promotions work. You ever wonder why Riker was being given command of the Ares instead of the Ares's own XO? Similarly if Picard was promoted (or retired), Star Fleet would promote a senior-ranking Captain to take his place, not promote the ship's Commander.
@@koalabrownie true to the word. the Enterprise was one of, if not the biggest, space faring asset the federation had. it's going to the best and most skilled leader out there. look at how Picard got the job, he had decades of captaincy of the stargazer on his resume. someone of equal calibre would get the job. Not some first officer only candidate.
koalabrownie But when Picard was captured by Q in a shuttle and was far away from the Enterprise with no hope of getting back without Q’s help, Picard said the Enterprise would continue with Riker as captain, so if anything were to happen to Picard then Riker would captain the enterprise.
@@BadWolfSilence Sure, but I wouldn't put too much weight to that. I think in that situation, Picards response was the one most understandable to the audience, rather than him saying "then starfleet will find an appropriate replacement". Realistically we can't say for certain because the show doesn't spell out it explicitly, but Riker's various offers suggest they follow modern military practice. Also Shellby in Best of Both Worlds wanting RIker's job suggests that even his position could come from outside the Enterprise crew.
"Suck it Star Fleet. We will leave for Beta Coopsic (?), right now Mr Crusher. I will stay XO of this ship as the Captain decided. Screw that Captainless ship on the other side of the galaxy. They will exactly know what happened when I just won't show up 3 months later. Words are overrated! Make it so!"
I like to assume it turned out the Aries was a Miranda class ship and Riker changed his mind when he realized he would have a much higher chance of randomly exploding in the background of some battle
I quite like that idea. I remember from the Star Trek encyclopaedias that it was supposed to be a Renaissance-class ship. Never seen, but around the age of the Ambassador-class, maybe a tiny bit newer, smallish.
The Ares is the type of command that Starfleet dangles in front of their very best commanders. They don't expect, nor even want them to take the command. If they take it, whatever - They are capable of the job. If they refuse it? They clearly want to retire as an Admiral, not as a Captain.
Robb Dark Some admirals do stay in command of ships, but these are usually their flagships, like the Bellerophon for Admiral Ross. Still, many lower half rear admirals do stay in command of starships.
Anthony Clauser However, I imagine that the brass at Starfleet would not look kindly on a commander who said yes he’d take the command, only to change his mind a few hours later........
@@SwordsmanRyan It shows the strength of character to not leap at greater power, which many look on as an indicator to be better able to handle power down the line. If you refuse a promotion to stay on with a Captain to continue to learn, especially like Picard, it shows you're intelligent enough to know when you *don't* know something, and wish to continue to grow before taking others' lives in your hands.
One of the things about the Riker and Troi relationship that I think isn't commented on enough, is the fact that they were in a serious relationship, then spent most of the run of the show becoming extremely close friends, until they were both ready to rekindle their relationship in Insurrection... which I've started to think is underrated.
The relationship of Worf and Troi was much healthier; Riker at his best is still only two seconds away from straddling a chair. Worf would at the very least bear his teeth first, and give it an opportunity to respond to his desire to mate
its extremely underrated and I love that they were former lovers who became close friends and colleagues and then revived their relationship thereafter. its actually beautiful, super mature, assumes well established boundaries for healthy relationships, and shows that people can break something off and still have a mature, professional, and healthy relationship thereafter. Its awesome.
That's because Frakes and Sirtis decided they remain close. All the writers did was write they were in a relationship until Will prioritized his career. They way they played the relationship is why in the movies they started it again and were married.
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@@johnw2026 no, they never said how specifically, if was a passing comment later on in the series when everyone was on the bridge....wesley made a comment.
@@AlyssMa7rin I must disagree, in TNG it was brought up in a random bridge conversation that it was destroyed and that commander riker was offered if, I don't remember the specific episode. It could have been another ship or something like that.
Riker: They are asking me to lead Troi: Look around, isn't this enough? Crusher: He will never be satisfied Troi: What would be enough? Crusher: He will never be satisfied, satisfied Picard: HISTORY HAS ITS EYES... ON... YOU...
This was only the first time Commander Riker was offered command of a starship. The next one he was offered was command of the USS Melbourne, but that ship was destroyed at Wolf 359. It's a good thing he decided to remain first officer of the Enterprise. He probably would have been killed or assimilated by the Borg at Wolf 359 had he decided to take command of the Melbourne.
Actually he mentioned in an earlier episode that he was offered his own ship at the same time he was offered the first officer position on the Enterprise but turned it down cause he thought it would be more advantageous for his career at the time to join the Enterprise.
Late to this one, but i hope you made the right choice for youself Phillippi. When a job becomes routine, and no longer stimulates or challenges us, it's time to move on. But if there's an opportunity to take on a greater role in a company, seize it, even if you aren't sure you'll do the best at it.
Promotion can be a rough thing to accept in certain professions. As Riker found out here. It can be lonely at the top and you may have to leave your past behind you.
People bash riker for staying on the enterprise like a spoiled child but the truth is starfleets a military base organization that chose to offer him commands not order him to them. As we saw in the episode with captain jelico starfleets completely capable of ordering a officer to take command of they chose too. During peace time they operated as scientific organization and gave people the option to promote if they wanted or not & ordered them to when it was a must. Just like our jobs today. We all have bosses who won’t leave roles because they’re comfy we all have bosses we respect and prefer to work with more but if our job tells us we’re transferring we do it or we quit/ look for new job. That’s just how society is
Starfleet clearly has a military command and control structure. Historically, turning down a promotion is usually a risky endeavor. It raises questions, fair or not, that is generally frowned upon by the senior officers and Admiralty. Obviously, "Number One" means "Number Two", and turning down a position that is a promotion to a billet that needs to be filled, that fulfils one of the prime reasons of Star Fleets existence and rejected by the man they had singled out as their choice to assume these duties can easily be taken as a slight towards that endeavor. "Selfish self-interest" is NOT career enhancing. It's not necessarily a career death sentence, but the promotion boards will not forget it, either. Their view is 'better the (real) Number One on a Number Two ship', than a 'Number Two on a Number One ship', because you are considered serving in a lower position than qualified for.
Agreed. Being a first officer is just a bus stop to moving forward to greater positions. Resources were carefully spent on molding Riker to become a great leader of his own, to fill that job once he was ready. Well, he was clearly ready sooner than normal, being a quick learner and having all the qualities needed. Then to just thumb your nose and turn down something that the agency has just spent years of resources on you when they could have chosen someone else to fill the same roll does not bode well at all.
by real world standards Riker should have accepted the job, like Sulu did before him (no one explains how a Lt became a Captain so fast though). However the Enterprise has distinguished itself so often that pretty much everyone is a promotion waiting to happen.
I like to think that in some alternate universe Riker did take command of the Aries and, instead of promoting Data to First Officer, Benjamin Sisko came aboard as the new XO.
Riker: Captain…With your permission I’d like to stay on board the enterprise. Data: ..😐… (takes his third gold pin off, throws it over his shoulder, puts his LT.Cmdr pin back on.) 😆
I really like how they show the Rikers history with his father, who competed with him and pushed him down versus Captain Picard, who gave him respect acceptance and praise. No wonder Riker wants to stay on board the Enterprise. Also his attachment to Counselor Troi was deep. I think it was pretty interesting how Riker evolved from being a perfectionist who had to prove himself, to embracing his true nature.
He takes so much flak for not wanting to leave the enterprise but come the fuck on clearly staying was the right thing to do. Gotta follow your heart, especially when there's no monetary reward for taking a promotion.
I remember thinking the Riker career storylines were kind of silly when they first aired. Riker is an accomplished officer, well deserving of promotion, but this was an episodic show. Every episode *must* end with each character in the same situation they were in at the beginning of that episode. There can't be any real change. Consequently, writers have to come up with silly reasons to keep everyone exactly where they are. Yes, it's comfort food, and you feel warm and fuzzy seeing Riker take his seat and boss Wesley around again, but turning down a promotion in a military organization would be devastating to your career. It's clumsy writing at best.
But considering the prestige of being an officer aboard the Enterprise-D, it's a promotion by rank only. I'm sure Riker already wields more influence than he would if he became the captain of some science ship in the middle of nowhere.
@@b-chroniumproductions3177 But he was on the fast track. Meaning, he did not have to sit long before advancing further. This happens in the real world. I believe though Riker may have had to sit on an obscure science vessel for perhaps two to three years, he'd quickly be then offered a Galaxy class vessel of his own that would match everything and anything the Enterprise did. By the Dominion war, he could've easily have hit the senior flag officer ranks, perhaps have been where Admiral Ross was.
When Riker walked in and asked Picard if he can stay on Enterprise, even Mr Data looked relived 😂 Data is MORE human than even he knows. I know on some level Mr Data loves his friends and his crew
4:33 - "Any particular reason for this change of heart?" - "The producers and the actor who should have replaced me didn't find an agreement on money, Sir."
I think Riker should have taken the position. Not only for his own career, but for the benefit of the show. I think that having two parallel main plots to follow during the course of the show could have been fun - and then of course when they met back up from time to time.. maybe even a collaboration or two between the two captains and their respective ships.
I don't think Riker would have announced his decision on the bridge. I think he would have requested the Captain to meet with him in the ready room, tell him of his decision and the two would have returned to the bridge where the Captain would have made the announcement...at least that would have been the way I would have written it.
Tis better to be second on the best starship in the fleet as to Captain your own. Know your place so you can better serve for all around you. Strive for your own success to further your community as well as yourselves.
@@CountArtha Anything is possible, wouldn't know for sure without seeing a script. But since they also have the USS Titan and pegasus.... and I don't remember any other Zodiac signs getting ships, I'm inclined to think they went with the gods... similar to the way we've named our planets.
Riker: I can't leave the Enterprise. This holodeck, the Enterprise is one of the only ships in Starfleet with one. I need these hot babes. Deanna: You desire for lust is understandable. People need a release. Riker: Exactly Deanna. I'm staying! Hot women!
For Will Riker, he was meant to be with his love of his life and future wife, Deanna Troi. They loved each other from the beginning of when they met. If I were Will, I’d never leave Deanna. I’d stay with her forever.
While I do agree that for Riker to remain as First Officer is the best thing, at the time, for his career, there is nothing quite like holding the reins yourself.
@@NovaScotiaNewfie But he didn't until later. Again, it appears he was more comfortable working under Picard. Picard encouraged this for the most part.
Writers: We can't promote Riker! We'd lose one of our best characters. Just keep him on a growth track. Writers Later On: Riker is SUCH a loser for not taking his own command - TIMID!!!
@@Saiyanprince1114 True, but becoming the Captain of a far lesser ship with lesser priority missions might have also felt like a dead end, compared to being on a flagship vessel such as the Enterprise.
@@davidsloat1016 But it's just a bus stop to achieve greater positions. Riker had what it took, it wasn't a fluke that he was being offered his own command. He would have exceeded expectations and quickly be offered the next level above. For instance, he could have easily been in command of a Galaxy class vessel in the Dominion war. And quite frankly, he probably would have achieved the flag officer ranks by then. May have been the Admiral Ross replacement to run the entire war effort.
@@oldtwinsna8347 But, the Enterprise, as the flagship of the Federation kept being sent on important (and sometimes dangerous) missions where he had also had a chance to shine. It would have been far less likely to see the same quality of mission in the starships that he was being offered to command... and if he did, his chances of survival would probably have been less. Yes, Riker had the talent and guts to advance from a lesser ship, but sometimes it's best to bide your time when you are already in a position to do important work.
Riker was promoted Captain during the Best of Two Worlds, and then revert back to Commander after that, when he could easily pick his own Galaxy Class Starship to Captain for his role in stopping the Borg invasion. I know they wanted to keep Riker on Picard's side but they could of be creative about it the way original series was creative to keep both Kirk and Spock together despite their repeated promotion/demotion.
01:24. I love how screens of your devices are ultra-thin in the 23rd century. Hyper compact, check. Non-existent bezels, check. Ultra-wide aspect ratio, check. 3D, check.
One of these buildings is exactly as L'Hemisfèric from the City of Arts and Sciences in Valencia. It was built in 1998, so i guess they ripped off this episode.
Riker: Captan, with your permission I've decided I'd like to stay on the Enterprise.
Picard: Any particular reason for your change of heart?
Riker: You're 70 years old with an artificial heart. Being a poker player, I really like those odds. Besides I think I can bang Deanna again.
Kevin Eagle original draft for the episode 😉
Well wasn't he in hes 40s?
humans live to be 120-ish in startrek
I laughed out loud, god that was funny.
70 isnt all that old in the universe of Star Trek considering the advances in medicine have expanded human life spans to over 100 years.
"Words are not always easy for me. That is a fish you are holding." - Worf
"Waaaarrrgh!" - Worf
Haaris Qureshi
Always better in the original Klingon.
"Die" - Worf to Q
Well said
"I never played with boy-"
Riker was such a great character. I'm glad he was kept around.
I have mixed feelings about that. I like Riker as well, but given that he shot up from ensign to commander in only 7 years, it made little sense for him to suddenly stay put. Hell, even Picard was practically stuffing him out the airlock by "Best of Both Worlds".
I never really liked him tbh
But he has such a primitive laptop!!
@@bman2cool4u68 Hes actually one of my favourite characters in the series...
He looks like Haddock...
Riker did the right thing. There is more in life than chasing the highest career position. It's about finding a place where you are happy and fit in.
His stagnation hinders the career of other officers
@shafta99I don't recall Spock being offered multiple commands, but perhaps so. Also he was primarily a science man.
@UCMzsdsn7JGL70n-CbYBk6bQ Nah, he was just secretly in love with Picard, and was too scared to leave all his friends for a command of his own, despite being ready for it.
The whole idea of being a first officer, is to groom someone for a command of their own, sitting on the envious position of first officer of the flagship is rather selfish minded, against the ideals of the federation.
Also he threw a massive tantrum when Picard was captured by the cardassians and Jellico was acting captain, just because be made Troy wear a uniform, and made the others actually do some work.
@shafta99 Spock was chief science officer, which is usually a terminal position. command duties secondary. riker was executive officer which is solely a leadership position to learn the skills needed to run the operation themselves one day. huge difference.
Chris Lucas it wasn’t that Riker didn’t get along with Jelico because he was passed over for control of the Enterprise despite the fact that he i don’t know saved the federation from the Borg when he was in command of the Enterprise
Riker was smart, he knew it was better for his career to be the first officer of the federation flagship, than the captain of some more or less unknown vessel. He wanted his choice of command, not taking what he could get. It was a better idea to hold out for the Titan.
Hard to say for sure. Riker was always an ambitious person, moving his way upwards. I'm sure he could still have done the same after a short stint on the Aries and having the benefit of the captain rank. By the Dominion war, he could have well been commanding his own Galaxy class vessel.
The Enterprise D was the flagship at the time so... it's not silly. As for Riker, Best of Both Worlds tackled this topic of Riker's ambition. And as Troi noted, he was happy aboard the Enterprise. Peter David's New Frontier books delved further into Riker's mind through the eye's of Shelby... to some insightful and comedic effect
The Enterprise literally was a flagship, according to the story. Did you not watch Star Trek?
Once again I ask you to open at least wikipedia and stop embarrassing yourself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_(NCC-1701-D)
"The Enterprise-D is a Galaxy-class ship and the fifth Federation starship in the Star Trek universe to carry the name Enterprise.[2] Enterprise-D is the flagship of Starfleet.[3] For majority of the ship's service in the Star Trek universe, the commanding officer of Enterprise-D is Captain Jean-Luc Picard. "
:-D who the fuck cares about your bullshit, in the story they called it a flagship, so, according to the story, it is a flagship. Maybe the requirements changed during the 300 years into the future, you know. Let me tell you another secret: Warp is not real, no Galaxy class starship has ever existed, Picard is a fictional character... ;-)
I always liked how you could hear a light rumble of the ship in the background.
You know there are video loops of the engine sounds for the different starships, even the engine rooms? They are very cool.
@@sosumi_rogue another crysknife007 fan I see.
Sounds like this are regularly added. Phone calls, for example, have artificially-generated noise in the background.
Will "I like being No #1".
Jonathan "Don't cancel my contract just yet"
Riker: I want the Enterprise...you're not going to live forever and so I'm willing to wait for it.
Ironically, when the saucer section of the Enterprise crashed on Veridian III in "Generations" will makes the comment "I plan to live forever"
Picard was in his 60s. Humans in the 24th century can easily live for 125 years. There is no way Enterprise-D would be in service long enough for Picard to reach 120.
I love the interaction at the beginning, especially the part about taking months to reach somewhere at high warp, with no guarantee of discovering anything at the end of the journey. It highlights the distances involved in space travel, even with advanced technology. It's a fact that often gets glossed over.
thank god they retconned a spore drive in discovery, now everythings a blink away! /s
Wolf: "Words are not always easy for me. So I will express my feelings through interpretive dance."
You mean 'calisthenics'?
I actually would think that most Klingons would have a difficulty with explaining how they feel about their fellow crew members without it feeling awkward
It is perfectly alright to not be ready to move on, or, rather, to be satisfied for the time being with where you are.
I hope so
Nothing dries up a woman faster than a man with no ambition.
I've always headcannoned it that Riker was banking on Picard being promoted up into the Admiralty at some point before Season Five, this would then allow Riker to become Captain of the Federation Flagship by default. He must have assumed that after 25 years as a starship captain and pushing close to 70 Picard would welcome a slower pace. I think Riker changed his plans when in Season One Picard was offered promotion to Rear Admiral and to take the post of Commandant of Starfleet Academy and turned it down flat. Even when it was offered by a very senior four star Admiral who had been his friend for decades and Riker knew Picard would have loved that job. He decided to stay as XO of the Federation Flagship and bare in mind the plan ALMOST worked when Picard was assimilated. From the Season Seven episode "Parallels" we know that most of the alternate Picard's in the multiverse died when Riker destroyed the Borg Cube over Earth in "The Best of Both Worlds" so after the battle he kept his field commission as captain and took permanent command of the Enterprise. So when taken as a whole (all the universes) Riker's plan to wait out Picard and grab the Enterprise worked.
Riker should have been given full PERMANENT command of the Enterprise after the "Best of Both Worlds". At the time, Starfleet knew very little about the Borg. So even with Picard getting rescued, Picard should have NEVER been given command back (especially not right away in the same episode) of the Enterprise. Picard needed a full psychological evaluation, and even be quietly retired by Starfleet command.
That's not how promotions work. You ever wonder why Riker was being given command of the Ares instead of the Ares's own XO? Similarly if Picard was promoted (or retired), Star Fleet would promote a senior-ranking Captain to take his place, not promote the ship's Commander.
@@koalabrownie true to the word. the Enterprise was one of, if not the biggest, space faring asset the federation had. it's going to the best and most skilled leader out there. look at how Picard got the job, he had decades of captaincy of the stargazer on his resume. someone of equal calibre would get the job. Not some first officer only candidate.
koalabrownie But when Picard was captured by Q in a shuttle and was far away from the Enterprise with no hope of getting back without Q’s help, Picard said the Enterprise would continue with Riker as captain, so if anything were to happen to Picard then Riker would captain the enterprise.
@@BadWolfSilence Sure, but I wouldn't put too much weight to that. I think in that situation, Picards response was the one most understandable to the audience, rather than him saying "then starfleet will find an appropriate replacement".
Realistically we can't say for certain because the show doesn't spell out it explicitly, but Riker's various offers suggest they follow modern military practice.
Also Shellby in Best of Both Worlds wanting RIker's job suggests that even his position could come from outside the Enterprise crew.
As many times as Riker turned down the command chair you would think Starfleet would get gun-shy and start looking for other candidates.
There's a little button in the upper right corner of Ensign Crusher's console with the word "engage" on it. 😉
That button should come as standard on all computer keyboards. Or I could just put a little label on the Enter key. 8^)
watching this video out of context... makes me feel riker stayed cause he was in love with troi
That was a big part of it..
"Suck it Star Fleet. We will leave for Beta Coopsic (?), right now Mr Crusher. I will stay XO of this ship as the Captain decided. Screw that Captainless ship on the other side of the galaxy. They will exactly know what happened when I just won't show up 3 months later. Words are overrated! Make it so!"
I like to assume it turned out the Aries was a Miranda class ship and Riker changed his mind when he realized he would have a much higher chance of randomly exploding in the background of some battle
I quite like that idea. I remember from the Star Trek encyclopaedias that it was supposed to be a Renaissance-class ship. Never seen, but around the age of the Ambassador-class, maybe a tiny bit newer, smallish.
Worf: 'I trust you'll do the right thing'
Riker: 'Ok, Imma gonna stay'
worf: 'Blast! I was so close to getting a seat at last on the bridge..'
The Ares is the type of command that Starfleet dangles in front of their very best commanders. They don't expect, nor even want them to take the command. If they take it, whatever - They are capable of the job. If they refuse it? They clearly want to retire as an Admiral, not as a Captain.
Robb Dark Some admirals do stay in command of ships, but these are usually their flagships, like the Bellerophon for Admiral Ross. Still, many lower half rear admirals do stay in command of starships.
Anthony Clauser However, I imagine that the brass at Starfleet would not look kindly on a commander who said yes he’d take the command, only to change his mind a few hours later........
You all know this is not real and fiction. The Hollywood writers who WROTE it made it up LOL.
Nonsense. I don’t see how not taking a promotion results in better promotions.
@@SwordsmanRyan It shows the strength of character to not leap at greater power, which many look on as an indicator to be better able to handle power down the line. If you refuse a promotion to stay on with a Captain to continue to learn, especially like Picard, it shows you're intelligent enough to know when you *don't* know something, and wish to continue to grow before taking others' lives in your hands.
One of the things about the Riker and Troi relationship that I think isn't commented on enough, is the fact that they were in a serious relationship, then spent most of the run of the show becoming extremely close friends, until they were both ready to rekindle their relationship in Insurrection... which I've started to think is underrated.
The relationship of Worf and Troi was much healthier; Riker at his best is still only two seconds away from straddling a chair.
Worf would at the very least bear his teeth first, and give it an opportunity to respond to his desire to mate
its extremely underrated and I love that they were former lovers who became close friends and colleagues and then revived their relationship thereafter. its actually beautiful, super mature, assumes well established boundaries for healthy relationships, and shows that people can break something off and still have a mature, professional, and healthy relationship thereafter. Its awesome.
@@oVoidhawko to be honest, I love using the riker manuvre when sitting down.
That's because Frakes and Sirtis decided they remain close. All the writers did was write they were in a relationship until Will prioritized his career.
They way they played the relationship is why in the movies they started it again and were married.
He's the reason for the term growing a beard. TNG wouldn't be TNG without Riker
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He should be glad he didn't, the aries was destroyed later on in the series...
...borg?
@@johnw2026 no, they never said how specifically, if was a passing comment later on in the series when everyone was on the bridge....wesley made a comment.
That ship was the Melbourne at Wolf 359.
The U.S.S Aries was also present in Star Trek: Nemesis. So it definitely outlived the series!
@@AlyssMa7rin I must disagree, in TNG it was brought up in a random bridge conversation that it was destroyed and that commander riker was offered if, I don't remember the specific episode. It could have been another ship or something like that.
1:57 "That is a fish you are holding"
Worf, master of stating the obvious.
Tuvok is a professor in that field.
Riker did the right thing.
He followed the script.
Would he have left, Frakes would have been fired.
This feels like the most Picard smiled in a single scene the entire series! lol
Riker: They are asking me to lead
Troi: Look around, isn't this enough?
Crusher: He will never be satisfied
Troi: What would be enough?
Crusher: He will never be satisfied, satisfied
Picard: HISTORY HAS ITS EYES... ON... YOU...
When you read a comment and think.... I am amongst my people.
This was only the first time Commander Riker was offered command of a starship. The next one he was offered was command of the USS Melbourne, but that ship was destroyed at Wolf 359. It's a good thing he decided to remain first officer of the Enterprise. He probably would have been killed or assimilated by the Borg at Wolf 359 had he decided to take command of the Melbourne.
Actually he mentioned in an earlier episode that he was offered his own ship at the same time he was offered the first officer position on the Enterprise but turned it down cause he thought it would be more advantageous for his career at the time to join the Enterprise.
Dude got the titan anyways so better he held out.
I'm actually going through something similar right now; trying to figure out whether I should keep my job or not.
Late to this one, but i hope you made the right choice for youself Phillippi. When a job becomes routine, and no longer stimulates or challenges us, it's time to move on. But if there's an opportunity to take on a greater role in a company, seize it, even if you aren't sure you'll do the best at it.
Promotion can be a rough thing to accept in certain professions. As Riker found out here. It can be lonely at the top and you may have to leave your past behind you.
First officer of the flagship is a bigger job than captain of some random ship
People bash riker for staying on the enterprise like a spoiled child but the truth is starfleets a military base organization that chose to offer him commands not order him to them. As we saw in the episode with captain jelico starfleets completely capable of ordering a officer to take command of they chose too.
During peace time they operated as scientific organization and gave people the option to promote if they wanted or not & ordered them to when it was a must.
Just like our jobs today. We all have bosses who won’t leave roles because they’re comfy we all have bosses we respect and prefer to work with more but if our job tells us we’re transferring we do it or we quit/ look for new job.
That’s just how society is
Deanna's got that good stuff, apparently!
Crazy to think that if Riker had taken those earlier captain positions, Earth would have in all likelihood been assimilated by the Borg.
I'm glad will stuck around since he should be somewhere where he is happy
Starfleet clearly has a military command and control structure. Historically, turning down a promotion is usually a risky endeavor. It raises questions, fair or not, that is generally frowned upon by the senior officers and Admiralty.
Obviously, "Number One" means "Number Two", and turning down a position that is a promotion to a billet that needs to be filled, that fulfils one of the prime reasons of Star Fleets existence and rejected by the man they had singled out as their choice to assume these duties can easily be taken as a slight towards that endeavor.
"Selfish self-interest" is NOT career enhancing. It's not necessarily a career death sentence, but the promotion boards will not forget it, either. Their view is 'better the (real) Number One on a Number Two ship', than a 'Number Two on a Number One ship', because you are considered serving in a lower position than qualified for.
Agreed. Being a first officer is just a bus stop to moving forward to greater positions. Resources were carefully spent on molding Riker to become a great leader of his own, to fill that job once he was ready. Well, he was clearly ready sooner than normal, being a quick learner and having all the qualities needed. Then to just thumb your nose and turn down something that the agency has just spent years of resources on you when they could have chosen someone else to fill the same roll does not bode well at all.
by real world standards Riker should have accepted the job, like Sulu did before him (no one explains how a Lt became a Captain so fast though). However the Enterprise has distinguished itself so often that pretty much everyone is a promotion waiting to happen.
As I get older, Riker looks younger and younger. He's a got damn kid!
In the first season without the beard he looked like he was in his early twenties, but he was already 35.
He always looked in his 30s....
I like to think that in some alternate universe Riker did take command of the Aries and, instead of promoting Data to First Officer, Benjamin Sisko came aboard as the new XO.
Riker: Captain…With your permission I’d like to stay on board the enterprise.
Data: ..😐… (takes his third gold pin off, throws it over his shoulder, puts his LT.Cmdr pin back on.) 😆
Deanna to Will: Are you felling sad?
Will to Deanna: Yes, I am
This scene always makes me cry. ™
Please post only positive comments over here. ™
- Picard, Number 1 I'm sorry.
- Riker, so glad you didn't confuse me with Number 2. 💩
Riker wanted immediate access to late night Troi booty calls.
The teaaa!!! 😂☕
Hah!
Worf was hoping to get promoted to that spot.
1:22
That's the same motif that played in Measure of a Man when Data gave Picard the cybernetic implants analogy :)
Look how happy Deanna is in the last scene. Good stuff.
3:18 - 3:38 Awwww...
Riker was too comfortable in someone elses shadow.
Worf looks so pissed at the end. "This asshole isn't leaving? Maaaan..."
Picard looks like his son decided to skip College...at Harvard 😂
Best of both worlds: Shelby is a missed chance ! We are All looking forward for her capability to command Her ship.
Johnathon: I ain't leaving my paycheck!
Ryker: It hurts when I attempt to tug my nose out.
I took medications today... now I need to know if the world is going slow motion or that the video is badly uploaded...
When Riker says, "the best place for me to be is right here", what you didn't see was he was pointing between Councilor Troy's legs.
Riker was rather indecisive for a commander.
Top dog on the bench, or sub in the fray?
I'd take sub.
I really like how they show the Rikers history with his father, who competed with him and pushed him down versus Captain Picard, who gave him respect acceptance and praise. No wonder Riker wants to stay on board the Enterprise. Also his attachment to Counselor Troi was deep. I think it was pretty interesting how Riker evolved from being a perfectionist who had to prove himself, to embracing his true nature.
Troi - I can't read you right now.
Riker - Well, you're only human!
He takes so much flak for not wanting to leave the enterprise but come the fuck on clearly staying was the right thing to do. Gotta follow your heart, especially when there's no monetary reward for taking a promotion.
I like Riker, but it made more sense in terms of his character for him to move up in the world.
I remember thinking the Riker career storylines were kind of silly when they first aired.
Riker is an accomplished officer, well deserving of promotion, but this was an episodic show. Every episode *must* end with each character in the same situation they were in at the beginning of that episode. There can't be any real change. Consequently, writers have to come up with silly reasons to keep everyone exactly where they are.
Yes, it's comfort food, and you feel warm and fuzzy seeing Riker take his seat and boss Wesley around again, but turning down a promotion in a military organization would be devastating to your career. It's clumsy writing at best.
But considering the prestige of being an officer aboard the Enterprise-D, it's a promotion by rank only. I'm sure Riker already wields more influence than he would if he became the captain of some science ship in the middle of nowhere.
@@b-chroniumproductions3177 But he was on the fast track. Meaning, he did not have to sit long before advancing further. This happens in the real world. I believe though Riker may have had to sit on an obscure science vessel for perhaps two to three years, he'd quickly be then offered a Galaxy class vessel of his own that would match everything and anything the Enterprise did. By the Dominion war, he could've easily have hit the senior flag officer ranks, perhaps have been where Admiral Ross was.
03:33 For a man, losing the love of a good woman can be too much to bear.
The Aries…a ship named after “the god of war”. It seems out of place for the other names in the fleet.
Actually it's named after a sign of the zodiac.
When Riker walked in and asked Picard if he can stay on Enterprise, even Mr Data looked relived 😂 Data is MORE human than even he knows. I know on some level Mr Data loves his friends and his crew
One of the best things about the Star Fleet in this show, is that promotions, transfers, and the like are all voluntary
worf's head isnt always the exact same size
thats hilarious!!!
He only stayed for Deanna. It's kinda chivalrous though, he turned down his own command for that woman.
So... in a way, Deanna saved Picard from the Borg.
4:33
- "Any particular reason for this change of heart?"
- "The producers and the actor who should have replaced me didn't find an agreement on money, Sir."
I always thought Picard seemed a bit too eager to get rid of Riker 😂
Best Sega CD video I've ever seen. :P
What kind of HD is this supposed to be, looks so odd.
I think Riker should have taken the position. Not only for his own career, but for the benefit of the show. I think that having two parallel main plots to follow during the course of the show could have been fun - and then of course when they met back up from time to time.. maybe even a collaboration or two between the two captains and their respective ships.
I don't think Riker would have announced his decision on the bridge. I think he would have requested the Captain to meet with him in the ready room, tell him of his decision and the two would have returned to the bridge where the Captain would have made the announcement...at least that would have been the way I would have written it.
They needed to wrap up the episode in a few seconds
Diana certainly was a make-up diva. Sweet lil thing.
Troi: so am I......one last bonk...??
Tis better to be second on the best starship in the fleet as to Captain your own. Know your place so you can better serve for all around you. Strive for your own success to further your community as well as yourselves.
It strikes me strange how often they push starfleet as peaceful diplomacy and then name ship Ares after a god of war....
It may also be called _Aries_ after the ram.
@@CountArtha Anything is possible, wouldn't know for sure without seeing a script. But since they also have the USS Titan and pegasus.... and I don't remember any other Zodiac signs getting ships, I'm inclined to think they went with the gods... similar to the way we've named our planets.
@@phantom1592 It is, indeed, named after the constellation: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Aries
Riker: I can't leave the Enterprise. This holodeck, the Enterprise is one of the only ships in Starfleet with one. I need these hot babes.
Deanna: You desire for lust is understandable. People need a release.
Riker: Exactly Deanna. I'm staying! Hot women!
For Will Riker, he was meant to be with his love of his life and future wife, Deanna Troi. They loved each other from the beginning of when they met. If I were Will, I’d never leave Deanna. I’d stay with her forever.
William Riker the most overqualified first officer
he done it for troy
did you cull every other frame from this video?
Riker is the 24th century version of the Millennial who still lives at home.
Virtually no millennial is man enough to pull off the Riker Maneuver.
While I do agree that for Riker to remain as First Officer is the best thing, at the time, for his career, there is nothing quite like holding the reins yourself.
he arguably has more pull being XO of the Enterprise than captain of the Ares.
WHAT A STUD
Riker was afraid to work without a net. Picard did not see that.
He wanted to command the E-D . He admits it to Picard in Generations.
He was perfectly capable of moving to his own Command.
@@NovaScotiaNewfie But he didn't until later. Again, it appears he was more comfortable working under Picard. Picard encouraged this for the most part.
4:09 data is like "holy shit he's staying!"
More like, damn there goes my promotion to first officer....
2:59 Oooh! That rouge! A bit too much.
We’ve all seen how Riker mounts a chair ... and we all know that he and Troi get together in the end ... I wonder if there is correlation there?
I would be no good on that ship with troi around because all the time i would be feeling how hard i want to destroy here love box .
Riker should lead the away team to look for all the missing frames in this video.
Did the Romulans steal this video's frames
Writers: We can't promote Riker! We'd lose one of our best characters. Just keep him on a growth track.
Writers Later On: Riker is SUCH a loser for not taking his own command - TIMID!!!
When will that be on DVD
The chance of a lifetime.
Counselor Troy one of the top trek babes of all time! Maybe next to 7 of 9.
Saying no should have ended his career. Because no one would offer him another promotion after this. Biggest fool in startrek.
It nearly did. Janeway was the one who offered him the Titan, saying that if he didn't take it, he wouldn't be offered a ship again.
@@Saiyanprince1114 True, but becoming the Captain of a far lesser ship with lesser priority missions might have also felt like a dead end, compared to being on a flagship vessel such as the Enterprise.
@@davidsloat1016 But it's just a bus stop to achieve greater positions. Riker had what it took, it wasn't a fluke that he was being offered his own command. He would have exceeded expectations and quickly be offered the next level above. For instance, he could have easily been in command of a Galaxy class vessel in the Dominion war. And quite frankly, he probably would have achieved the flag officer ranks by then. May have been the Admiral Ross replacement to run the entire war effort.
@@oldtwinsna8347 But, the Enterprise, as the flagship of the Federation kept being sent on important (and sometimes dangerous) missions where he had also had a chance to shine. It would have been far less likely to see the same quality of mission in the starships that he was being offered to command... and if he did, his chances of survival would probably have been less. Yes, Riker had the talent and guts to advance from a lesser ship, but sometimes it's best to bide your time when you are already in a position to do important work.
Riker was promoted Captain during the Best of Two Worlds, and then revert back to Commander after that, when he could easily pick his own Galaxy Class Starship to Captain for his role in stopping the Borg invasion. I know they wanted to keep Riker on Picard's side but they could of be creative about it the way original series was creative to keep both Kirk and Spock together despite their repeated promotion/demotion.
No reason he couldn't have stayed Captain but remained First Officer. Kirk and Spock had that going for a while.
No spin off..... No Captain Riker
If he left. The borg would of won
01:24. I love how screens of your devices are ultra-thin in the 23rd century. Hyper compact, check. Non-existent bezels, check. Ultra-wide aspect ratio, check. 3D, check.
One of these buildings is exactly as L'Hemisfèric from the City of Arts and Sciences in Valencia. It was built in 1998, so i guess they ripped off this episode.