What I love about this episode is earlier, worf was asked about his father (who is considered a criminal at the time) by Satie and he said that is no one’s business. But here, he says if one were not hiding something, he would be forefront and honest.
@@kblarghWhile that may be important to the story, it still can be considered hypocrisy, but it could also mean that Worf listened to Picard & understood what he meant.
Nowadays, there are a ton of people who think they are Picard in this instance, but are in all actuality playing the role of Worf. People with good intentions, being fooled and used by Satie. Unfortunately, they may never come to see that they were really playing the role of the villain.
I love the way this show uses musical cues. When Worf declares that someone is guilty by omission, the rising strings are something straight out of a horror film. A growing tension as a great threat looms large in the darkness, just out of sight.
Don't you miss the days when Sir Patrick could be sooo forthright with his line delivery ,there was life in his voice energy in his voice , ,"There are 4 lights damnit 4 lights ! ! 😮😢
The greatest part of this scene is the very end when Picard walks out. You can see the look on Worf's face. He's torn because he knows Captain Picard is always on the right side of the moral argument and he has disappointed him by investigating the crew.
It's more that Worf has a deep respect for Picard and believes him a man of exceptionally strong moral character (an honorable man)... but Worf also firmly believes he's in the right here. So he's very conflicted.
Strictly speaking, Worf was right. If a person is not afraid of the truth, they won't hide it. *But* what he's missing is that there are many, many reasons a person might be afraid of the truth, and not all of them involve guilt of a crime.
Questions always invite more questions. It's a fishing expedition. That's why lawyers advise not to answer a police officer's questions even if you think the answers are harmless. Plus the truth can easily be "twisted" by those in power.
@@otakurocklee Right. The ability of someone to take truth and twist it to promote a falsehood is one of the possible reasons a person might fear the truth.
Don't mind me. Just a random dude who's sure to learn something useful from this already productive exchange, despite being in a TH-cam comment thread. I guess then that being afraid of expressing the truth because of how it may be spun is a seriously healthy fear to have.. And to speak to the point about answering officers' questions, I'm afraid I'm gullible enough to actually fall for it.
@@ntr10me It's an odd paradox because I don't think you're quite right, either. The ideal we should strive for is to be unafraid of the truth because the truth is both good and required. The more honest we can be, the more good we can do. I think the resolution is actually further up the line: the healthy fear to have is one when you make your choices. You should have a healthy fear of how your choices will be perceived and what impact they might have. If your actions are honorable and above reproach, then you won't have any fear of the truth. _But_ when it comes to judging others, some mercy and grace are warranted. Having made a poor choice in the past, we can understand another person's fear of how the truth might be used against them, even if their actions don't warrant any punishment. And when it comes to legal matters, I think there's some healthy fear that you might speak the truth in a way that doesn't represent it correctly to authorities, and that's where advocacy (lawyers) come into play.
@@BladeOfLight16 Well, as people of my generation used to say ...30 years ago... 'word!' Y'know, dude, your comment has all the makings of a Plato's Republic-type feel to it. All the best.
"That's how it starts. The road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think". Queue in the discord in the US Presidential election and the recent events in DC. It never ceases to amaze me how much we can truly learn from Star Trek. To bad so many people today see learning as almost a cuss word.
@DriftZ TwoSeven Where does ST teach you to be fearful of power and to let others take it? There's an entire episode that looks into how droll Capt. Picard's life would become if he was not as impetuous as he was when he was younger. The lesson is not to let others take command, it's to be careful of who you let take command, and if you take command, to treat such responsibility with the gravity it demands. Power is a tool, and can be used for good or ill.
You can’t really have a human first organization when you’re the head of what’s essentially the interplanetary government though. It would be like forming a country of many nationalities and ethnicities and then having a group within the government that only looks out for the interests of a specific race.
To be fair, crimes and shame pass from father to children among Klingons, that's why Worf was briefly exiled. Probably that's why he sees no problem with that.
@@graywayfarer And that's how it can seem one you favor one side over the other already or when one side is being more in your face about it... The sad reality is they're both against the rights and liberties of regular people.
@@ntr10me I’ve not seen Picard yet outside of the first episode (and the first episode has a VERY good speech from Picard, so, I suppose so), and I don’t think Discovery has but it is very different from old Trek, I like it a lot though, for what it is.
Worf is conflicted between thinking like a Federation representative vs like a Klingon - the Klingon empire wouldn't hesistate for one moment in immediately comdemning Tarsis for declining to answer. ESPECIALLY in the case of a Romulan relative.
Maybe he did, once... but times have changed. 30 years of propaganda by every media outlet on the planet is pushing us further down the dystopian path with every day that passes.
Except McCarthy wasn't wrong. The US government has been full of communists since before WWII. FDR's original VP was replaced by Truman shortly before FDR died. Why? The original VP was an outright commie and they knew the American people wouldn't stand for it. The only reason "McCarthyism" is a word today is because the Marxists who run the media laid down cover fire for their ideological brethren in the DOD and State Department.
Besides even if the suspicion was legitimate the damage done by McCarthy trying to fix a problem that may or may not even real, was more damage then any communist can/would ever do
What McCarthy had basically done is force the communists underground (As in just not talking about communism).I don't really care of anyone is communist or not, both sides of the aisle agree that McCarthy went way too far
@0:59 Really Mr. Worf? You mean where you stood before the Klingon empire and accepted discommendation based on an outright lie and perpetuated that lie as well?
Did you hear what Picard said, "a right granted by the federation." The right to remain silent and the right not to incriminate one's self is a God given right. The purpose of the 1st ammendment to the US Constitution is not to grant that right to the citizens, but to prevent the government from abridging that right. How the writers of the Star Trek series have seriously misunderstood the importance of a bill of rights.
Couple things. First: The Federation isn’t America. They may have a totally different set of rights in their constitution. Second: By enshrining rights in the constitution they ensure those rights are guaranteed to new planets joining the Federation as well as their own existing ones. And finally: You’re thinking of the 5th amendment for not being compelled to testify against yourself. The 1st guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of the press amongst other things.
While it is true that the US Constitution as interpreted by the US Supreme Court does not create rights, but rather recognizes those that are already present, under this interpretation they are not "God-given". They are "self-evident" - not given by anything, but intrinsic to the human condition. To that end, "granted" does not mean created. It means permitted, allowed, defended, or admitted, which is completely in line with this philosophy. The alleged self-evidence of human rights has not stopped grievous infringements upon those rights throughout US history, as underscored by the Atlantic slave trade and the civil rights movements of the mid-1900s. Picard recognizes that Worf's refusal to allow a suspect to remain silent without self-incrimination degrades his "right" to a privilege. And indeed, history shows us that all human rights are just privileges that put on airs.
The creator of Star Trek did not believe in the American model. He, and other writers in Hollywood believe in the French model of Governance, where rights are granted by the State (effectively privileges that can be revoked). Gene Roddenberry was a socialist. One of the primary principles of socialism is there being no power higher than the State, thus there can be no God.
@eagleeye0078 A government that grants rights is an intellectual step closer to rescinding those rights, than a government which is protecting natural tights.
@@MYOB990 Pretty sure no one is calling for Dave Chappelle's arrest. As for the 1/6 comittee, you're in favour of letting people break into your nation's capital, try to steal an election, murder a cop, and commit a number of other crimes, and then not prosecute anyone involved?
@@technology5979 And here we go. If the phrase, "Mostly Peaceful Protest" ever came pouring out of your Pie Hole,you need to just STFUp about 1/6 and all the hyper bloviating of the Democrats AND stop lying about a murdered cop. Tear yourself away from the teat of CNN.
@@MYOB990 Jesus Christ. You actually believe what you're spouting, don't you? What on Earth is is that you believe happened then, if not the reality of what happened that day? And for the record, I've seen like seven minutes of CNN in my life.
I don't see what is wrong with Warf's reasoning. if the truth doesn't hurt someone then they feel free to say it but if they know it will hurt them then they are reluctant to say it. Their could be other reasons why someone doesn't tell the truth all the time but not telling the truth, no matter how innocent the reason could be, does make someone suspicious.
Me at age 12 : Meh, this episode is boring AF.
Me at age 40: Damn, this episode is scarily on point.
Me too!
Exactly
Yup!
Legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is a slippery slope - Indeed
You talking about Among Us?
What I love about this episode is earlier, worf was asked about his father (who is considered a criminal at the time) by Satie and he said that is no one’s business. But here, he says if one were not hiding something, he would be forefront and honest.
Great point. Worf’s hypocrisy on display here. He could easily have been a suspect.
Wasn't that _after_?
@@kblarghWhile that may be important to the story, it still can be considered hypocrisy, but it could also mean that Worf listened to Picard & understood what he meant.
Nowadays, there are a ton of people who think they are Picard in this instance, but are in all actuality playing the role of Worf. People with good intentions, being fooled and used by Satie. Unfortunately, they may never come to see that they were really playing the role of the villain.
I love the way this show uses musical cues. When Worf declares that someone is guilty by omission, the rising strings are something straight out of a horror film. A growing tension as a great threat looms large in the darkness, just out of sight.
Oops, it more when Worf offers justification for the continued investigation.
Don't you miss the days when Sir Patrick could be sooo forthright with his line delivery ,there was life in his voice energy in his voice , ,"There are 4 lights damnit 4 lights ! ! 😮😢
The greatest part of this scene is the very end when Picard walks out. You can see the look on Worf's face. He's torn because he knows Captain Picard is always on the right side of the moral argument and he has disappointed him by investigating the crew.
It's more that Worf has a deep respect for Picard and believes him a man of exceptionally strong moral character (an honorable man)... but Worf also firmly believes he's in the right here. So he's very conflicted.
Strictly speaking, Worf was right. If a person is not afraid of the truth, they won't hide it. *But* what he's missing is that there are many, many reasons a person might be afraid of the truth, and not all of them involve guilt of a crime.
Questions always invite more questions. It's a fishing expedition. That's why lawyers advise not to answer a police officer's questions even if you think the answers are harmless. Plus the truth can easily be "twisted" by those in power.
@@otakurocklee Right. The ability of someone to take truth and twist it to promote a falsehood is one of the possible reasons a person might fear the truth.
Don't mind me. Just a random dude who's sure to learn something useful from this already productive exchange, despite being in a TH-cam comment thread.
I guess then that being afraid of expressing the truth because of how it may be spun is a seriously healthy fear to have.. And to speak to the point about answering officers' questions, I'm afraid I'm gullible enough to actually fall for it.
@@ntr10me It's an odd paradox because I don't think you're quite right, either. The ideal we should strive for is to be unafraid of the truth because the truth is both good and required. The more honest we can be, the more good we can do. I think the resolution is actually further up the line: the healthy fear to have is one when you make your choices. You should have a healthy fear of how your choices will be perceived and what impact they might have. If your actions are honorable and above reproach, then you won't have any fear of the truth. _But_ when it comes to judging others, some mercy and grace are warranted. Having made a poor choice in the past, we can understand another person's fear of how the truth might be used against them, even if their actions don't warrant any punishment. And when it comes to legal matters, I think there's some healthy fear that you might speak the truth in a way that doesn't represent it correctly to authorities, and that's where advocacy (lawyers) come into play.
@@BladeOfLight16 Well, as people of my generation used to say ...30 years ago... 'word!'
Y'know, dude, your comment has all the makings of a Plato's Republic-type feel to it.
All the best.
"That's how it starts. The road from legitimate suspicion to rampant paranoia is very much shorter than we think". Queue in the discord in the US Presidential election and the recent events in DC. It never ceases to amaze me how much we can truly learn from Star Trek. To bad so many people today see learning as almost a cuss word.
@DriftZ TwoSeven Where does ST teach you to be fearful of power and to let others take it? There's an entire episode that looks into how droll Capt. Picard's life would become if he was not as impetuous as he was when he was younger. The lesson is not to let others take command, it's to be careful of who you let take command, and if you take command, to treat such responsibility with the gravity it demands. Power is a tool, and can be used for good or ill.
You can’t really have a human first organization when you’re the head of what’s essentially the interplanetary government though. It would be like forming a country of many nationalities and ethnicities and then having a group within the government that only looks out for the interests of a specific race.
For the world is but a stage
@DriftZ TwoSeven Let me guess, you're a regressivist ("conservative") braindead boomer?
I don' truss no one wid dat "booklarnin'!
To be fair, crimes and shame pass from father to children among Klingons, that's why Worf was briefly exiled. Probably that's why he sees no problem with that.
This feels relevant lately no matter what your political party
It's always relevant. Most people just don't realize it until it's too late
Villains who twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.
Not so much. I see only one party being heavy-handed, breaking the rules, and cheating to get their way...
@@graywayfarer And that's how it can seem one you favor one side over the other already or when one side is being more in your face about it...
The sad reality is they're both against the rights and liberties of regular people.
@@Anarchist86ed
Pelosi doesn't have a Mustache....at least that we know of.
One of the very best episodes of Picard, and all to relevant to the current state of affairs in this nation.
It is for the prosecution to prove guilt.
It is not the accused to prove their innocence.
THIS is the Picard we SHOULD have had in the latest ST
This is so unbelievably applicable in modern life
Yep, said the same thing on another video of the episode a few months back.
I miss this Picard from the new show.
Brilliant Episode . Brilliant Series
Sounds like the typical discord server experience. Except Picard gets permabanned anyway.
Great video . I love star Trek . This episode is awesome .
I knew one day we’d be living out an episode of Star Trek; just a shame it’s this one.
Justice and madness. Stand on a dune and feel the wind until the wind tells you the truth.
"nothing to hide"... We need a seventh grantee don't we.
I love tng so much
Has Discovery or Picard had any moments like this one yet? I seriously can't really recall any from the 1st two seasons.
@@ntr10me I’ve not seen Picard yet outside of the first episode (and the first episode has a VERY good speech from Picard, so, I suppose so), and I don’t think Discovery has but it is very different from old Trek, I like it a lot though, for what it is.
I'm hoping that a consequence of the fallout from this farce of a witch hunt in this episode was the quiet reinstatement of Tarses in Starfleet.
15 seconds, he says the name of the title, everyone stand up and clap.
Worf is conflicted between thinking like a Federation representative vs like a Klingon - the Klingon empire wouldn't hesistate for one moment in immediately comdemning Tarsis for declining to answer. ESPECIALLY in the case of a Romulan relative.
if only patrick stewart had the mindset of picard
Maybe he did, once... but times have changed. 30 years of propaganda by every media outlet on the planet is pushing us further down the dystopian path with every day that passes.
Well done.
So you haven’t seen him speaking out against violence towards women and his charity stuff, then?
@@welshie6313 considering what y ou call women these days id say they deserve it.
I'm not sure I understand. I've never seen him or heard him say anything horrible about anyone
This is 2024 America, exactly.
No, this has always been an issue, everywhere.
Awesome video great episode.
And yet the people with the same mindset say that slippery slopes are fallacies.
A slippery slope argument isn't inherently fallacious, but there is a way argue fallaciously but using a slippery slope argument.
What an idiotic statement.
McCarthyism
Except McCarthy wasn't wrong. The US government has been full of communists since before WWII. FDR's original VP was replaced by Truman shortly before FDR died. Why? The original VP was an outright commie and they knew the American people wouldn't stand for it.
The only reason "McCarthyism" is a word today is because the Marxists who run the media laid down cover fire for their ideological brethren in the DOD and State Department.
@@a2ndopynyn Didn't "McCarthyism" became a word after he "Investigated" the army and both the army and the president both shot him down?
Besides even if the suspicion was legitimate the damage done by McCarthy trying to fix a problem that may or may not even real, was more damage then any communist can/would ever do
What McCarthy had basically done is force the communists underground (As in just not talking about communism).I don't really care of anyone is communist or not, both sides of the aisle agree that McCarthy went way too far
@@cyanpenguin-games7796 given the 100 million-plus body count of communism, you probably ought to care, yeah...
This scene is so fucking important, especially in our social climate. And more people need to realize the spirit behind this scene.
@0:59 Really Mr. Worf? You mean where you stood before the Klingon empire and accepted discommendation based on an outright lie and perpetuated that lie as well?
1:24
This is what I think about gitmo it's the same thing.
Please send this to President Potato.
A right granted by the Federation is no right at all. The grantor can revoke the grant at will.
I misread that as "we cannot allow our selves to think" period.
2021: YOU ARE HERE
Too bad people don't learn from Star Trek, Ok too bad people don't learn from real Star Trek.
Did you hear what Picard said, "a right granted by the federation." The right to remain silent and the right not to incriminate one's self is a God given right. The purpose of the 1st ammendment to the US Constitution is not to grant that right to the citizens, but to prevent the government from abridging that right. How the writers of the Star Trek series have seriously misunderstood the importance of a bill of rights.
Couple things. First: The Federation isn’t America. They may have a totally different set of rights in their constitution. Second: By enshrining rights in the constitution they ensure those rights are guaranteed to new planets joining the Federation as well as their own existing ones. And finally: You’re thinking of the 5th amendment for not being compelled to testify against yourself. The 1st guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of the press amongst other things.
While it is true that the US Constitution as interpreted by the US Supreme Court does not create rights, but rather recognizes those that are already present, under this interpretation they are not "God-given". They are "self-evident" - not given by anything, but intrinsic to the human condition. To that end, "granted" does not mean created. It means permitted, allowed, defended, or admitted, which is completely in line with this philosophy.
The alleged self-evidence of human rights has not stopped grievous infringements upon those rights throughout US history, as underscored by the Atlantic slave trade and the civil rights movements of the mid-1900s. Picard recognizes that Worf's refusal to allow a suspect to remain silent without self-incrimination degrades his "right" to a privilege. And indeed, history shows us that all human rights are just privileges that put on airs.
Your god doesn't exist, stop vomiting bullshit.
The creator of Star Trek did not believe in the American model. He, and other writers in Hollywood believe in the French model of Governance, where rights are granted by the State (effectively privileges that can be revoked). Gene Roddenberry was a socialist. One of the primary principles of socialism is there being no power higher than the State, thus there can be no God.
@eagleeye0078 A government that grants rights is an intellectual step closer to rescinding those rights, than a government which is protecting natural tights.
which episode is this from?
The Drumhead, season 4.
Worf is from a primitive species. He is more like today’s primitive ape like species, not the fictional humans in Star Trek.
Especially poignant in these times of the Democrat's Witch Hunts and the Media's virtual Drumhead trials.
Right. Would you please tell me who's unjustly been prosecuted?
@@technology5979
LOL See Dave Chappelle for a current example.
Then wander over and look at the 1/6 committee
@@MYOB990 Pretty sure no one is calling for Dave Chappelle's arrest.
As for the 1/6 comittee, you're in favour of letting people break into your nation's capital, try to steal an election, murder a cop, and commit a number of other crimes, and then not prosecute anyone involved?
@@technology5979
And here we go.
If the phrase, "Mostly Peaceful Protest" ever came pouring out of your Pie Hole,you need to just STFUp about 1/6 and all the hyper bloviating of the Democrats
AND stop lying about a murdered cop. Tear yourself away from the teat of CNN.
@@MYOB990 Jesus Christ. You actually believe what you're spouting, don't you? What on Earth is is that you believe happened then, if not the reality of what happened that day?
And for the record, I've seen like seven minutes of CNN in my life.
And here we are... watching the Democrats..
I don't see what is wrong with Warf's reasoning. if the truth doesn't hurt someone then they feel free to say it but if they know it will hurt them then they are reluctant to say it. Their could be other reasons why someone doesn't tell the truth all the time but not telling the truth, no matter how innocent the reason could be, does make someone suspicious.