Many thanks for helping out our customer from Switzerland! Really great work on the bike (and the video is great too!) We've changed all "pins" from aluminum to steel.
I'm pretty sure Uncle Bumle asked for nothing at all, as the helpful Canadian he is, and the beer was just the symbolic gesture he would accept. There is also no warranty on repairs made in trade for beer.
Translation of the greeting as performed by the owner of that bike: "For all swiss mountain bikers - don't ever come to british columbia. It's garbage I tell you! People are unfriendly as frick, there are no trails whatsoever. Don't ever visit Canaderp!" For some reason I think he is in on the conspiracy.
I can hear the conversation with that poor woman on the lift: so your bike is hoopajooped wah? Im something of a machinist myself, cut to the clip of breaking mills on the haas!
@@PD-we8vf well its a scumbag offset. Something tells me the 8 week-er has no clue what the scoundrel and that poor disappointed or extremely pleased woman. And dont ya tell me its anything else, its never average😁😜
Isn't that a laugh? I've been saying that for years and no-one -NO-ONE - has ever cracked a smile because ordinary people, ya know what? They don't hear anything they are not already expecting to hear. I'll burn that bridge when I come to it. Duh? So are we going to the pub or not? Sigh.
Steve W Yeah but most appropriately Uncle Bumblefork used "burn" to facilitate that on a workpiece you can really cross that bridge only once, so you could just burn it down aswell after going that far.
Until you roll the front tire into something that resembles a taco Bell taco, and the rims are about as crunchy as well 😂 my trust goes to Royce Union for bicycles.
I got a Huffy! It's a fukking tank, I love it. It even still has the American flag on the badge.🇺🇸💪 I dig German stuff too, especially aircraft and women.
A few years back I had to stick Helicoils in a bunch of long aludidlium pieces, some 500 messed up threads I had to fix. Then they were sent for anodizing. And they came back with all the Helicoils corroded right out of them. Fun times.
Yes! And you'll have to take off both wheels and the seat, get a special tool to hold the chain and sprocket. Better make sure everything is lined up before letting out the pin in the tensioner! Or else you'll throw off your timing and it'll never run the same again! And all to change the water pump!
Yeah, basically any sound which doesn't come from a human is either considered music or applause, one would figure googled have lifted their game by now
Oh-o Black Moly, Bam-a-lam Oh-o Black Moly, Bam-a-lam, Black Moly in da can, Bam-a-lam Shake it hard as y'can Bam-a-lam, Partey like hot dam, Bam-a-lam, Gotta git it out da can, Bam-a-lam, Shake it hard as y'can Bam-a-lam, Git it out of da can, Bam-a-lam. Oh-o y'gotta do that thang, Bam-a-lam, Black Moly in da can, Bam-a-lam! Et cetera.......
me too, but it didn't really save the frame as if f**ked up the slots in the swingarm. if you gotta replace that too when this happens, might as well get a new bike.
Deus Vult. It depends on the persons region aswell as social status. African children score much lower than say an Asian kid growing up in America however they do have a higher life value than that of a pedophile so personal life choices also alter value of the human life. It’s really a case by case basis.
NickyJay7 My old GM would go from site to site spreading between friend jokes. Fucking love that guy. Ehh, what’s an 1/4 between friends. Good times :)
@DefinitelyNotDan I'm having trouble understanding what you mean. We "commie" europeans (lmao) have no issue using metric in day to day life just as much in engineering, science etc. US customary units just seem messy and illogical, in my opinion.
"Usually when you bottom out, someone screams" I just pissed myself I laughed so hard. And yes, BC *SUCKS*... spent two weeks there.... it sucks so had I can't wait to go back!
AvE got royally shafted on that exchange! There is a beer economy in the Land of Auz but the base unit is a 'Slab', ie a case, iie 24 bottles... Of Good beer! Was it ignorance or insult do you think?
here are the 2 known spellings copied from the original AvE dictionary, so here's your hat :) Vijayo 5/5 (5) 1. An encoded series of images, displayed in sequence, and synchronized with the recorded sounds of the images’ origin;Video Vidjayo 4.71/5 (24) A video
Out of all your “talents” I think your word play is your best credentials.... I often ponder while dribbling over the shear entertainment of your vids, “why haven’t I ever been paired up with a work buddy somewhere along the line where a can talk true factual crap all day long”.... With you mr AvE, maybe it’s just some sorta molsen magic or!! Maybe you are the guy that’s been everywhere, magivered everything that ticks or gurgles and gathered an inspiring amount of knowledge along the way.... Makes me envious, borderline jealous!!!
I think I watch AvE for the hidden little nuggets of wisdom. The offhand comments are truly valueable bits of info. Aluminum cutting shmoo has no sulpher because sulpher reacts with aluminium....
Long time fan, I love your channel! Please don't wear those gloves around the lathe, if on the off chance they snag they wont come off (and if they do they're bring parts of you with them). As a fellow machinist I'd recommend those extra thick (5-8 mil) nitrile gloves (I'm sure you know the ones), they'll keep the chips off ya and if they snag they'll rip clean off (had a run in with a mill I got a little to handsy with where this fact saved my bacon).
thats a good piece of safety advice. One day when i get a home setup this might save my bacon. electric motors dont care - electric motors just want to torque. Your arm being in the way is a non factor. So much respect for the power behind large shop tools. In addition people need to have a foot mounted kill switch for machining equipment. if in doubt , kick it off
@@OneMouseGaming seen a 300lbs gorilla get sucked into one lathe and made into soup within seconds..then I realized why you dont wear gloves or sleeves or anything...foot kill switch sounds like a damn good idea. Also the video kinda gave me PTSD but I think its a necessary evil for people who work with these tools..to make the connection of how bad it can be..because it is probably one of the worst possible ways to die. The other workers looked very disturbed by the aftermath.
Bearing surface in that bore of the shock, as already pointed out as being chowdered, is the next point of failure. Other than that, you'd more than likely need unrealistic forces to damage either the shock or frame. Aluminum pin was fine, except where the diameter shrunk for the threads, which also sacrificed the threads in the frame when the pin was damaged; which is also why threading into composites is not a good idea and not a good design choice. Unless you have a whale riding this bike through a trail with substantial drops, it should be fine for the rest of it's usable life. Though, if the shock is frequently being bottomed out, it more than likely needs replaced, or adjusted assuming this one can be, but judging by how the bearing surface is already wearing, it probably needs replaced. The pin itself should've gone through the frame completely and secured by either a nut or retaining clips. Aluminum would have still worked without issue in this case. This bike just has very poor design choices.
@Captain MufDyven While true, you have to keep in mind manufacturing costs. Those two parts would be more expensive than the one used. And the one used is more expensive than either through-pin design.
@@xaytana From what I saw in the video the frame had a threaded aluminium bushing insert that was half eaten from the failure, so he could have done another threaded bushing and use some epoxy glue...
Especially when working on German gear, expect the depth of thread to be 1.5xDiameter. If the process is designed for mass production, that's what it'll be 99% of the time as it's the minimum thread depth to get full strength. I like to go a bit deeper for one offs but what's another quarter turn?
Except thread engagement length for optimum joint strength depends on material. Steel is typically 1x to 1.5x diameter, and softer materials need a longer length for optimum strength Problem here is that the aluminum-composite joint was only to keep the pin in place, so strength really wasn't a factor; you could achieve the same pin using a through-frame design with retaining clips, thread engagement does not matter in this use. On the manufacturing side of things, sure, 1.5x diameter might be fairly typical. But again, this joint wasn't designed in that way, so it doesn't necessarily follow optimal thread engagement. And if it does follow optimal thread engagement, that number for carbon composites is more than likely more than 1.5x. Threading into composites in a high-force application is a bad idea anyways, as proven by this product's failure. And this isn't a German-only manufacturing decision, any product with proper engineering would follow optimal numbers for thread engagement, Chinese products more than likely also target optimal thread engagement; anything not doing this is either bad engineering, laziness, or planned obsolescence.
@@xaytana I'm sure you know this based on your thorough comment, but a clip-retained through pin would always cause a God awful rattle in this application. They needed the rigid mechanical connection offered by the threads. Best.
@@xaytana that's how reinforced concrete is designed; anchorage is based on embedment. More embedment equals more force required to pull it out. Bar shape type would equal type of thread in this situation
@Mitchell Pearce Easy solution would be a weather/water resistant material that the retaining clips can crush against. Still a better solution than what was originally used. Or you could go with the other suggestion I had of putting threads on the through-pin and using an external nut to keep it in place. Either way, threading into composites is a bad idea, and the diameter reduction in the aluminum pin is what caused the initial failures here. @hphoto Reinforced concrete is much different than what's mentioned here. Any length beyond the optimal number is just excess and a waste of material, hence why it's referred to as optimal. Not to mention the entire geometric difference here, reinforced concrete typically uses lattices of material tied in place, while threads are only a helix. You can't just compare the two.
Best video in ages. Love AvE's videos. But I do miss the messing around in the Empire of Dirt ones. I was laughing out loud with my beer on this one. Cheers :)
One of your best videos in a long time! I didn't see the cnc once! I was laughing so much I almost woke the boss. The humor and the knowledge is fantastic!
40+ years as an industrial/commercial machine mechanic working on all kinds of different machinery located in some of the harshest environments I learned early on that the Ol' Smoke Wrench was one of my most important tools, although how you would use one on a carbon fiber frame is beyond me (old school just enough to not have encountered these new materials).
i think carbon fiber has higher melt than red locktite whife got a piece of fighter plane tha went through extreem heat test looked un fazed,x117 ithink, cool stuff carbon fiber.yea i maried a rocket sicencetest and cant spell well,got a big vice though sometimes it matters,lol
@@Benedocta FWIW, Radon specifically makes very affordable bikes for what they are. Not "cheap", but a lot cheaper than, say, a bike with the same specs from most other well known brands (for people from the US, think Trek, Specialized etc). So all the Tschörman Enginerding must be done in the design phase because the bike is straight from Taiwan like any other brand.
cerebellum, Specialized USA brand changed and sent all their design work to Taiwan. That is why the US engineering director at that time, quit and did his own stuff. Eventually he started his own helmet company called Kali.
Great video as always. It's only from seeing vids like this and people like you that even give me a shred of hope for humanity. I personally commend you sir, just for helping someone when you didnt have to.
The Boart Longyear sticker on your tool box caught my eye, I used to work for them as a driller's assistant. My first job site was a camp job on the Pogo gold mine in Alaska doing exploration core drilling on a 20 day hitch before moving to a different site in Neveada. At Pogo we would fly to our drill pads in a little bell helicopter every day. Pilot's name was Jim, he was a great guy. Vietnam vet. Working the drills was a cool if back-breaking job, a lot of hard work. Much respect to the people that make drilling their career. RIP Jim.
@18:50 "welcome to the home shop machine shop where you never have the right tool for the job" let me tell you brother, it's the same way at the professional shop machine shops. an entire warehouse size tool crib that is capable of having every single tool except the one i need at that moment.
I was a motorcycle mechanic...BMW Motorrad? No. Thanks. I saw scary things...BTW Mr. AvE, I´ve found an interesting solution for spinning lenses. We don't need a huge bearing. I´ve made a prototype...Thanks for your videos!
Get a 127 gear for the screw cutting lead screw for your Boxford ...... Standard conversion thats been done on the UK since the year ..... (dot that is 🤣) p.s. ... my grandfather was taught the metric system at school in the early 1910s as in Kent, near the Port of Dover they had alot of trade with France 👍
@@CMC-NFG it goes into the gear set on the lead screw drive 👍 it adapts between metric at 127 ( ie 1" = 25.4mm 127 as a ratio ..... it allows for turning metric pitches on an imperial machine..... all the info is available.... you'll find them on the usual scumbags (Ebay) new or used as well 👍
er, sort of. If done this way, you have to unwind the screw at the end of every pass. it's a work-around. you can't go back and pick up. The only true way to cut metric threads is with a metric lead screw and matching split nut...
Yeah, it's a work around. But it does work. It would be nice to have a brake to stop the spindle but you Can disengage the half nut, stop, reverse then drop in on the same number as you pass it on the reverse.
In Germany there is the: Verkomplizierungsamt für einfache Sachen. (Ministry for complicating easy things) Jokes apart, I hate when I cannot repair things that should be supposed easy to be repaired. Now having a freshly ground coffee...coffee!
Interesting how that "sacrificial part" as you put it nearly scrapped the frame from ovaling out the hole. Note how AvE said he was biting into the carbon from when he was tapping out the hole. Carbon doesn't thread well. It's a temp fix that may end up keeping the pos on the trails longer than the guy riding it keeps his interest in the hobby.
@@noanoxan Wasn't trying to bring no smoke on AvE, he is hilarious and good at what he do. Just the work he put into tha chrome molly pin is a lot stronger than the carbon frame. The ride didn't realize the until he was bombing down a trail and crushed his pudendal artery that his bike was broken.
@@noanoxan Maybe it wasn't meant to save the frame from the scrap heap, but instead meant to save the rider from the hospital. Yeah the hole might be ovaled out, but better that than the frame slowly cracking at a critical point and then going kablooey at the end of a big jump?
Many thanks for helping out our customer from Switzerland! Really great work on the bike (and the video is great too!)
We've changed all "pins" from aluminum to steel.
Ave needs more beer to keep the National friendship going :)
Or Cheese...
Very cool
Holy crap a company that actually cares about the quality of their products . . . what is this world coming to?
A good company would dutifully compensate our canadian friend with a carefully considered quantity of beer.
I thought we weren't going to bring up the couch incident ever again.
Are you sure it was the Molly and not the curry?
I'd be been there...
It's the door dents in your vintage roller which must never again be spoken of.
@@tommypetraglia4688 "Couch"!? I've gravely mis-understood.
@@LynxSnowCat ohh no... Yikes xD
That pin you made is worth a lot more than a 6 Pack of beer.
It's really nice of you to made it for him.
I bet he got some Canuckistani kopeks for the trouble too. The beer was just the tip
well good thing ebay pays him lol
5 hours of shop time... $3 in parts...
That'll come to a 300pack of beer please.
I'm pretty sure Uncle Bumle asked for nothing at all, as the helpful Canadian he is, and the beer was just the symbolic gesture he would accept.
There is also no warranty on repairs made in trade for beer.
Tis life, do what you gotta do
"...Family planning in a can. Make your dingus end fall off"
DYING! 😂
Translation of the greeting as performed by the owner of that bike: "For all swiss mountain bikers - don't ever come to british columbia. It's garbage I tell you! People are unfriendly as frick, there are no trails whatsoever. Don't ever visit Canaderp!" For some reason I think he is in on the conspiracy.
thanks brother. being a saupreißn myself I literally did not understand one word of that. not even one!
@@pdittrich Dann haste aber ganz andere Probleme
@@DMarko22 ich geh schule, kauf tüte deutsch. hat main kusenk auch gehilft
Hella cool to hear Swiss german at the end . Greetings from Switzerland from an American that lives there
@@pdittrich ✌🏼😅
I can hear the conversation with that poor woman on the lift: so your bike is hoopajooped wah? Im something of a machinist myself, cut to the clip of breaking mills on the haas!
Samwho? Everything is a broach if you have big enough hammer.
@@PD-we8vf well its a scumbag offset.
Something tells me the 8 week-er has no clue what the scoundrel and that poor disappointed or extremely pleased woman.
And dont ya tell me its anything else, its never average😁😜
Lol .. " hoopajooped wha...." I just nearly spit beer all over the fuckin' healing bench, man.
@@PD-we8vf in my mind.. "let me show yer the dings hopper and the shaft tickler over at the shop, why I have the biggest haas ya ever saws!" 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😆
"We'll burn that bridge when we get to it." Love it. LOL
Isn't that a laugh? I've been saying that for years and no-one -NO-ONE - has ever cracked a smile because ordinary people, ya know what? They don't hear anything they are not already expecting to hear. I'll burn that bridge when I come to it. Duh? So are we going to the pub or not?
Sigh.
@DefinitelyNotDan You mean "We will cross that bridge when we get to it."
Steve W Yeah but most appropriately Uncle Bumblefork used "burn" to facilitate that on a workpiece you can really cross that bridge only once, so you could just burn it down aswell after going that far.
I had a teacher who would always say we’ll jump of that bridge when we come to it. Liked that one
Chris Hegan I got it from a country song back in the late 80’s or early 90’s
If you go with this to a bike shop, 11 out of 10 will sell you a new bike.
@@BlackEpyon or are willing to drill into a carbon fibre frame.
or don't know how to do anything
To understand that joke, you need to take off your socks!
@@BlackEpyon i know 2 bike shops around here and both could do it.
Its hilarious watching uncle bumblefuck destroy stuff until it works again
Bbeaucha88 hell ya
+1 for the T-shirt
Don't hit it harder. Find a larger hammer. Focus you £@ck!!!
@Captain MufDyven Well, german has a word for that "Verschlimmbesserung"
I'll take 1 in large
THIS is the old school AvE that I fell in love with. There's no place like home.
Heck yeah!
Ride a Huffy. Cast out of a single piece of solid lead. Great workout, and nothing breaks.
Until you roll the front tire into something that resembles a taco Bell taco, and the rims are about as crunchy as well 😂 my trust goes to Royce Union for bicycles.
I got a Huffy! It's a fukking tank, I love it. It even still has the American flag on the badge.🇺🇸💪
I dig German stuff too, especially aircraft and women.
Captain Fucking misses the point right here.
Doesnt break but it wont brake either
@@DerpCraftDudes from an ex bmx rider 1st thing you with a huffy is remove the brakes lol.
A few years back I had to stick Helicoils in a bunch of long aludidlium pieces, some 500 messed up threads I had to fix.
Then they were sent for anodizing.
And they came back with all the Helicoils corroded right out of them. Fun times.
Fun times.
Derp..everyone knows time-serts are king 😜
ANO.. THEN inserts, always. You can't anodize stainless steel
Being a German bicycle, I'm sure the $600 water pump will be the next part to fail
Yes! And you'll have to take off both wheels and the seat, get a special tool to hold the chain and sprocket. Better make sure everything is lined up before letting out the pin in the tensioner! Or else you'll throw off your timing and it'll never run the same again! And all to change the water pump!
If it were a Yamaha it would be the £900 ignition lock.
Don't piss-off the Germans! 8)
Good luck figuring out the oil level without that dipstick.
‘Twas “fixed” with a software update.
Auto generated captions read lathe noise as "applause"
Entirety appropriate
Similarly appropriately, it reads motorcycle engine sounds as "music"
It's applause from God himself
Yeah, basically any sound which doesn't come from a human is either considered music or applause, one would figure googled have lifted their game by now
BritishColombian u should leave British columbia
The old "light , cheap, strong , you can only pick two" axiom came to play .
Oh-o Black Moly,
Bam-a-lam
Oh-o Black Moly,
Bam-a-lam,
Black Moly in da can,
Bam-a-lam
Shake it hard as y'can
Bam-a-lam,
Partey like hot dam,
Bam-a-lam,
Gotta git it out da can,
Bam-a-lam,
Shake it hard as y'can
Bam-a-lam,
Git it out of da can,
Bam-a-lam.
Oh-o y'gotta do that thang,
Bam-a-lam,
Black Moly in da can,
Bam-a-lam!
Et cetera.......
Das German engineer: zat vas a sheer pin intended to break and save zeh carbon fiber frameverk
AVE: hold my beer
Exactly what I was thinking ya
me too, but it didn't really save the frame as if f**ked up the slots in the swingarm. if you gotta replace that too when this happens, might as well get a new bike.
It was intended to break and fucking kill the cyclist.
Deus Vult. It depends on the persons region aswell as social status. African children score much lower than say an Asian kid growing up in America however they do have a higher life value than that of a pedophile so personal life choices also alter value of the human life. It’s really a case by case basis.
All this German engineered talk. How do we know that it's not just a generic frame from a Taiwanese catalog? 🙃
“What’s a hate crime amongst friends” 😂 I think I woke up the entire house howling at that one!
NickyJay7 My old GM would go from site to site spreading between friend jokes. Fucking love that guy.
Ehh, what’s an 1/4 between friends. Good times :)
"odd ball sizes.....like 8mm" hilarious (from Ireland!)
@DefinitelyNotDan I'm having trouble understanding what you mean. We "commie" europeans (lmao) have no issue using metric in day to day life just as much in engineering, science etc. US customary units just seem messy and illogical, in my opinion.
@@vedran5582 they are that’s why we like them
@@vedran5582 they are that’s why we like them
@@vedran5582 they are that’s why we like them
1999 me really needs AvE's "focus you fuck" every 5 minutes on loop whenever I'm doing homework.
"First we break the chip, then we break the tap"
New favourite quote
Nightmare Potato break the chip... walk away.
Should be on a shirt!
As poetic as Cohen.
I remember that game! Played it a lot back in the day.
It's funny because it's true!
"German engineering" these days means planned obsolescence, and massive repair bills.
But god damnit they are fun to drive.
To my eye you did a perfect job. Abom would probably need a Xanax to watch the whole vid, though.
Abom79 would be cringing watching you attack that with hand tools hand drill ha ha
First we break the chip and then we break the tap! Too funny, thanks for another great video.
"What's a hate-crime between friends?"
Dying. 😂😂😂
I actually got that reference.
The premise of a Seth Rogan movie.
I'm really curious about that one
Love the safety label on the blue fluid: “not booze” 😂🤣👍🏻
"Usually when you bottom out, someone screams" I just pissed myself I laughed so hard. And yes, BC *SUCKS*... spent two weeks there.... it sucks so had I can't wait to go back!
Did the same this summer, hate that place.....😊
As a bike shop owner who encounters this problem all the time this was definitely a good watch. Thanks for the upload.
Cheers!
ApolloRocket92 Yeah well I betcha don't get paid in German beer ;)
@@carlosmatos9848 dude I had so much shitty American beer under my workbench from past repairs I ended up giving out to other customers
@@carlosmatos9848 ..was belgium beer
I throw away the carbon parts that come on old Bikes I rehab, and I buy steel ones...
Standing ovation for the right chuck. The universe shines but a ray of sunlight on the ole boxford.
"First we break the tip then we break the tap" pure gold
Break the chip, then break the tap😂
You're killing me with the bongo drums in the background!
Beer is the universal currency of men. 🍻
I didnt know the beer to machine shop time index was so far off in canada. I'm coming with a couple cases of labat's and my napkin drawings.
Ed Lomonaco Yeah seems like a bargain!
currency of *man*
@@edlomonaco Yea we always get fukt on the exchange rate.
AvE got royally shafted on that exchange! There is a beer economy in the Land of Auz but the base unit is a 'Slab', ie a case, iie 24 bottles... Of Good beer! Was it ignorance or insult do you think?
Man at the OG shop, its ben a minute since ya filmed your lathe running. Very cool. Old skool AvE vidja.
All his vidjayos are skookum
@@fourteencrows1244 indeed.
v-j-o
here are the 2 known spellings copied from the original AvE dictionary, so here's your hat :)
Vijayo
5/5 (5)
1. An encoded series of images, displayed in sequence, and synchronized with the recorded sounds of the images’ origin;Video
Vidjayo
4.71/5 (24)
A video
I never thought I'd hear Swiss dialect on your channel😂
"What's a hate-crime between friends?" xD
damn man i really missed regular vids this is exactly what the doctor ordered
+1 for the Spaceballs reference and +1 for the Aussie Root mate!
c'mon Schwartz
Out of all your “talents” I think your word play is your best credentials....
I often ponder while dribbling over the shear entertainment of your vids, “why haven’t I ever been paired up with a work buddy somewhere along the line where a can talk true factual crap all day long”....
With you mr AvE, maybe it’s just some sorta molsen magic or!! Maybe you are the guy that’s been everywhere, magivered everything that ticks or gurgles and gathered an inspiring amount of knowledge along the way....
Makes me envious, borderline jealous!!!
Replace that pin with something far more skookum...
... Like cheese, for example.
I think I watch AvE for the hidden little nuggets of wisdom. The offhand comments are truly valueable bits of info. Aluminum cutting shmoo has no sulpher because sulpher reacts with aluminium....
due to this, eggyolk works as aluminium specific loctite alternative for sticky situations.
You made the part look much bigger than it was with the camera work, I take it you've been practicing that?
Small hands have that advantage
That comes from running the tool up and down the shank. Nothin' like an AvE video to give you the real deal. And a good vijayo.
Long time fan, I love your channel! Please don't wear those gloves around the lathe, if on the off chance they snag they wont come off (and if they do they're bring parts of you with them). As a fellow machinist I'd recommend those extra thick (5-8 mil) nitrile gloves (I'm sure you know the ones), they'll keep the chips off ya and if they snag they'll rip clean off (had a run in with a mill I got a little to handsy with where this fact saved my bacon).
thats a good piece of safety advice. One day when i get a home setup this might save my bacon.
electric motors dont care - electric motors just want to torque. Your arm being in the way is a non factor. So much respect for the power behind large shop tools. In addition people need to have a foot mounted kill switch for machining equipment.
if in doubt , kick it off
What’s the saying.... Safety third 😆
👍
@@OneMouseGaming seen a 300lbs gorilla get sucked into one lathe and made into soup within seconds..then I realized why you dont wear gloves or sleeves or anything...foot kill switch sounds like a damn good idea. Also the video kinda gave me PTSD but I think its a necessary evil for people who work with these tools..to make the connection of how bad it can be..because it is probably one of the worst possible ways to die. The other workers looked very disturbed by the aftermath.
Coworker got his hand pulled into an impregnator due to the leather work gloves he was wearing. Broken fingers and bad burns in an instant
Half the time I don’t even watch the videos. I just listen to your narration. Hilarious!
“Some family planning in can”
😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂
Is there a drum circle behind you while you're taking this video?
Nah, that was the lens cap.
had to check if a parade was outside of my apartment lmao
Checked for knocking on my door twice before I got wise...
Clickedie clackedy
I figured it was Jumanji
I swear at times you sound like Frank Zappa's trade-savvy alter ego.
LOL. Felching tube.
Being Swiss I'm feeling extra jealous that he got to met AvE - Maybe I should spent more time outside the shop.
Another jealous swiss guy here 😀 did you notify the folks from Velotob already?
+1!
"this is a blind hole, meaning it don't go all the way through"... Yet...
Love this guys humor. Freaking cracks me up.
AvE in cracking form here! That was a friggin' good show. Guten werken.
Radon is popular in Europe. Most rear shock mounts I’ve seen have a steel bolt. Dude needs a volume spacer or more air pressure in that shock.
Well, d'ya think Uncle Bumblefuck would shy away if it was just a blown seal? Au contraire! Hon hon hon!
Next one will be arsenic....
Being a perpetually drunk Australian guy, I do like me a good root gag
come on, bloke. "perpetually drunk Australian" is just using three words when you could use one, eh?
A Kiwi eats roots shoots and leaves.
@@moyadapne968 had that on a t-shirt 🇳🇿
Radon. Marketing: Let's name our product after a toxic radioactive gas.
Ununseptium is by favorite.
Radon crap engineering. Invented for one season then buy new model.
I find something incredibly satisfying about fitting helicoils, love em!
So now that that pin is unbreakable, what’s the next point of failure? The expensive frame or the expensive shock?
Frame will bust on next big jump, that pin is zthere for reasonn.
Bearing surface in that bore of the shock, as already pointed out as being chowdered, is the next point of failure.
Other than that, you'd more than likely need unrealistic forces to damage either the shock or frame. Aluminum pin was fine, except where the diameter shrunk for the threads, which also sacrificed the threads in the frame when the pin was damaged; which is also why threading into composites is not a good idea and not a good design choice. Unless you have a whale riding this bike through a trail with substantial drops, it should be fine for the rest of it's usable life. Though, if the shock is frequently being bottomed out, it more than likely needs replaced, or adjusted assuming this one can be, but judging by how the bearing surface is already wearing, it probably needs replaced.
The pin itself should've gone through the frame completely and secured by either a nut or retaining clips. Aluminum would have still worked without issue in this case. This bike just has very poor design choices.
I'd say the pin that's topwise of the shock.
@Captain MufDyven While true, you have to keep in mind manufacturing costs. Those two parts would be more expensive than the one used. And the one used is more expensive than either through-pin design.
@@xaytana From what I saw in the video the frame had a threaded aluminium bushing insert that was half eaten from the failure, so he could have done another threaded bushing and use some epoxy glue...
Dude has no idea that a legend just fixed his bike. Schooch
Your workbench is as cluttered as my workbench so I subscribed immediately.
@@BlackEpyon I'd subscribe
Dude, I just love how this man speaks.
Especially when working on German gear, expect the depth of thread to be 1.5xDiameter. If the process is designed for mass production, that's what it'll be 99% of the time as it's the minimum thread depth to get full strength. I like to go a bit deeper for one offs but what's another quarter turn?
Except thread engagement length for optimum joint strength depends on material. Steel is typically 1x to 1.5x diameter, and softer materials need a longer length for optimum strength
Problem here is that the aluminum-composite joint was only to keep the pin in place, so strength really wasn't a factor; you could achieve the same pin using a through-frame design with retaining clips, thread engagement does not matter in this use.
On the manufacturing side of things, sure, 1.5x diameter might be fairly typical. But again, this joint wasn't designed in that way, so it doesn't necessarily follow optimal thread engagement. And if it does follow optimal thread engagement, that number for carbon composites is more than likely more than 1.5x. Threading into composites in a high-force application is a bad idea anyways, as proven by this product's failure.
And this isn't a German-only manufacturing decision, any product with proper engineering would follow optimal numbers for thread engagement, Chinese products more than likely also target optimal thread engagement; anything not doing this is either bad engineering, laziness, or planned obsolescence.
@@xaytana I'm sure you know this based on your thorough comment, but a clip-retained through pin would always cause a God awful rattle in this application. They needed the rigid mechanical connection offered by the threads. Best.
@@xaytana that's how reinforced concrete is designed; anchorage is based on embedment. More embedment equals more force required to pull it out. Bar shape type would equal type of thread in this situation
I wonder is that why they went for the finer thread pitch: They were compensating for a lack of depth, trying to get those extra turns in?
@Mitchell Pearce Easy solution would be a weather/water resistant material that the retaining clips can crush against. Still a better solution than what was originally used. Or you could go with the other suggestion I had of putting threads on the through-pin and using an external nut to keep it in place. Either way, threading into composites is a bad idea, and the diameter reduction in the aluminum pin is what caused the initial failures here.
@hphoto Reinforced concrete is much different than what's mentioned here. Any length beyond the optimal number is just excess and a waste of material, hence why it's referred to as optimal. Not to mention the entire geometric difference here, reinforced concrete typically uses lattices of material tied in place, while threads are only a helix. You can't just compare the two.
Best video in ages. Love AvE's videos. But I do miss the messing around in the Empire of Dirt ones.
I was laughing out loud with my beer on this one. Cheers :)
One of your best videos in a long time! I didn't see the cnc once! I was laughing so much I almost woke the boss. The humor and the knowledge is fantastic!
It was a joy to watch the machining with those beautiful long tailings
40+ years as an industrial/commercial machine mechanic working on all kinds of different machinery located in some of the harshest environments I learned early on that the Ol' Smoke Wrench was one of my most important tools, although how you would use one on a carbon fiber frame is beyond me (old school just enough to not have encountered these new materials).
i think carbon fiber has higher melt than red locktite whife got a piece of fighter plane tha went through extreem heat test looked un fazed,x117 ithink, cool stuff carbon fiber.yea i maried a rocket sicencetest and cant spell well,got a big vice though sometimes it matters,lol
Apreciate the swiss german advice in the end
You’re like my hero man. I wish you had a podcast.
I am gonna name my new car design "Asbestos"
@@mandowarrior123 No, it'll be perfectly fireproof, but then 30 years later you'll wind up in a respiratory ward with shredded lungs.
"Oh Bicycle Repair Man, how can I ever thank you?"
'No worries Ma'am . . . there are many of us, but all the others Palin comparison' . . . (thud : )
26:37 ooh nice you got a pack of Leffe. One of my favorite Belgian beers. Greetz from The Netherlands AvE
I've not been back in the workshop in a little while. Been in my own empire of dirt. Happy to be back. Great vid.
Damn if I don't love your vids Ave! Keeping me cracking up while learning, best thing ever!
No one else has heretofore perfected being slightly out of frame, except maybe the paranormal activity at skinwalker ranch
The saying goes: You have choices with bicycle components. They can be inexpensive, light, and strong - but you can only pick two attributes.
And in this case, only one of the three was chosen.
@@Benedocta FWIW, Radon specifically makes very affordable bikes for what they are. Not "cheap", but a lot cheaper than, say, a bike with the same specs from most other well known brands (for people from the US, think Trek, Specialized etc). So all the Tschörman Enginerding must be done in the design phase because the bike is straight from Taiwan like any other brand.
@@ska042 Okay, didnt know that, thanks.
cerebellum, Specialized USA brand changed and sent all their design work to Taiwan. That is why the US engineering director at that time, quit and did his own stuff. Eventually he started his own helmet company called Kali.
Search Kali founder Brad Waldron podcast
Great video as always. It's only from seeing vids like this and people like you that even give me a shred of hope for humanity. I personally commend you sir, just for helping someone when you didnt have to.
Very nice of you to help out another fellow biker 👍
I'm never going to get the search term "feltching" removed from my Google history!
😂😂😂
I can get it out of my history, I can't get it out of my mind
Geez, I thought it was the feathers on an arrow.... =8^O
fruitydudexD ha lol. I have number of a good therapist if need be 🤣
No wonder they look at you sideways down at the ol' archery range.
Yet another video ear and eye candy. Keep doing what u do best bro, as every vid is a heavenly experience
The Boart Longyear sticker on your tool box caught my eye, I used to work for them as a driller's assistant. My first job site was a camp job on the Pogo gold mine in Alaska doing exploration core drilling on a 20 day hitch before moving to a different site in Neveada. At Pogo we would fly to our drill pads in a little bell helicopter every day. Pilot's name was Jim, he was a great guy. Vietnam vet. Working the drills was a cool if back-breaking job, a lot of hard work. Much respect to the people that make drilling their career. RIP Jim.
THAT... Was actually pretty awesome.
That was some really great work. Love watching this kind of thing!
@18:50 "welcome to the home shop machine shop where you never have the right tool for the job"
let me tell you brother, it's the same way at the professional shop machine shops. an entire warehouse size tool crib that is capable of having every single tool except the one i need at that moment.
You are a very kind individual AVE, and kudos to the manufacture for responding, wish they where all like that. but kindness doesn't equal profit.
You never fail to entertain, you could make paint dry interesting 👍🏻😂
This was classic AvE. (As in, it reminded me of AvE from the good ole' days.)
Every time I hear one of your analogies I burst out laughing.
What an awesome episode. AvE you're a rockstar duder!
This is becoming my favorite channel ever
Secretly I’ve been dreaming about a bike video from you for long time....
I was a motorcycle mechanic...BMW Motorrad? No. Thanks. I saw scary things...BTW Mr. AvE, I´ve found an interesting solution for spinning lenses. We don't need a huge bearing. I´ve made a prototype...Thanks for your videos!
Really enjoyed some OLD school AvE content. TYVM
5:00 "when you bottom out, 'somebody' normally yelps"...
Yup, I've noticed that too.
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Get a 127 gear for the screw cutting lead screw for your Boxford ......
Standard conversion thats been done on the UK since the year ..... (dot that is 🤣)
p.s. ... my grandfather was taught the metric system at school in the early 1910s as in Kent, near the Port of Dover they had alot of trade with France 👍
Hey, I think I've got one of them - always wondered what it was for!
@@CMC-NFG it goes into the gear set on the lead screw drive 👍 it adapts between metric at 127 ( ie 1" = 25.4mm 127 as a ratio ..... it allows for turning metric pitches on an imperial machine..... all the info is available.... you'll find them on the usual scumbags (Ebay) new or used as well 👍
er, sort of. If done this way, you have to unwind the screw at the end of every pass. it's a work-around. you can't go back and pick up. The only true way to cut metric threads is with a metric lead screw and matching split nut...
Yeah, it's a work around. But it does work. It would be nice to have a brake to stop the spindle but you Can disengage the half nut, stop, reverse then drop in on the same number as you pass it on the reverse.
"The" metric system lol.
Ahhhh let me get a swig of thee ol "NOT BOOZE" im feelin low after watchin the madness u call a video!!!.. As always great stuff!!! Thanks!!!
Hey AvE, I'm visiting Ucluelet Bc soon. Great fishing and beautiful area.
I never expected a bike related video on this channel. Love it😂
In Germany there is the: Verkomplizierungsamt für einfache Sachen. (Ministry for complicating easy things)
Jokes apart, I hate when I cannot repair things that should be supposed easy to be repaired.
Now having a freshly ground coffee...coffee!
You seem to be overlooking the huge benefit of saving the whopping 18 grams of unsprung weight by using an aluminium shock mount pin.
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it is not unsprung technically, the front shock exists
Chuck Beef
HAHAHAHA! 👍🏽
New oldstyle AVE vid, love it...
Haha the very end of the vidjeo... I busted out laughing. Cheers with your new beers AvE!
Could you have possibly just AvE engineered out the built in weak point? Seem like that pin was a sacrificial part to the carbon fiber frame
Interesting how that "sacrificial part" as you put it nearly scrapped the frame from ovaling out the hole. Note how AvE said he was biting into the carbon from when he was tapping out the hole. Carbon doesn't thread well.
It's a temp fix that may end up keeping the pos on the trails longer than the guy riding it keeps his interest in the hobby.
Sacrificial parts are meant to take up momentary overloads, not fail in a fatigue crack
@@noanoxan Wasn't trying to bring no smoke on AvE, he is hilarious and good at what he do. Just the work he put into tha chrome molly pin is a lot stronger than the carbon frame. The ride didn't realize the until he was bombing down a trail and crushed his pudendal artery that his bike was broken.
Rolvaag Thorsen sheer pin.
@@noanoxan Maybe it wasn't meant to save the frame from the scrap heap, but instead meant to save the rider from the hospital. Yeah the hole might be ovaled out, but better that than the frame slowly cracking at a critical point and then going kablooey at the end of a big jump?