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The Aussie guy fell into a pitfall common all over the world. If you sell a business in the west, and the purchaser agrees to pay the debts, you the business seller are still responsible for the debts if the purchaser doesn't pay. The way I would do it, is to have contracts with the lenders where they agree that the seller now bears no responsibility for the debts. The contract is called a novation. In other words, get a lawyer, especially in other countries. An honest lawyer can steer you around the scary pitfalls in their jurisdiction.
@Pixel Storm Well not all products are made in China but I was talking about organizations etc associated with china. If some chinese "investor" wants to partner with you in a business be very wary they know how to game a lot of western legal systems too theyll even try and play the racism card. And not "China" in general Im specifically talking about the modern "peoples" "republic" But yeah if you can avoid buying stuff made in red china you should if at all possible.
@Pixel Storm Here in BC people (and a bunch werent white) got called racist for pointing out that some chinese were essentially discriminating against all non chinese people illegally (not just whites either)
Oh those poor oppressed Tibetans, Uguyiars, Falun Gong etc etc Oh I have a great idea I’m a westerner with a sense of impunity. I’ll just start up a business in this brothel and take my cut! Errr we want some of your cut......... Wailing...crying.... I demand rights, justice Sorry Dude this is China as advertised on the pack
@SAMURAI K9S Lol is that that sovereign citizen conspiracy theory? Bud I hate to be the one to tell you this but an Internet forum has given you brain worms.
I was busted for a joint in Indonesia and could have walked away for a c note.. they even gave me the opportunity...but I panicked and ended up in the police station...they never locked me up. It was bizarre and a little scary to say the least. They wore me down..I slept on a bench for three nights. I ended up paying twenty million.......rupiah...two large...US...but it didn't end there. .six months later I was in a coffee shop in Makassar. A person at the next table who had heard my name mentioned showed me his newspaper... I was now wanted for ecstacy...I never went near the stuff...the Indonesian said that because I had paid once they would be after me again and I'll never forget he said it would end up with their congressman coming for me...I was out of the country within twelve hours...I freaked...
That's a lost cause. My dad spent all his money his house his everything playing with the chinese justice system. You will never win. Better spending that money smuggling him out.
@@SW-ii5gg Does it also show weird like/views numbers? I also get this problem often, especially after using "Translate this page" function. Just refresh and it goes away.
@@benoitbvg2888 When I refresh, or worse click on other videos, it gets worse. It can be hilarious. I've seen Zs in the like numbers and trillions as well.
Lesson for the rest of us seems to be (this is from China Law Blog, referring to JG's video) This video is Exhibit A for why you should not do business with China (at all) without good legal advice from day ONE.
China has a really large border. He can ship his belongings out and pay around $100 for a hiking guide to get out. I won't name the locations but you guys can figure it out.
Also I think I heard of a thing on the news where smugglers were throwing people overboard So instead of getting them to the Islands close to Australia. They just kill them.
No they wouldn't be. They aren't little crying bitches like we are here in the west. Yes China is hyper nationalistic and they could be a little mellower but the fact that they at least stand up for their own people isn't a bad thing per se. It just doesn't have to be to the EXTREME.
@Gary Holden Do you have dyslexia? I clearly mentioned in my post that the Chinese are a little extreme in their actions. That said. fuck Canadians, the laughing stock of the world.
the american founder of beijing's first quality pizza joint was muscled-out of his very successful business by a chinese partner as well, and there was nothing he could do about it. chinese people are for chinese people, dont get any illusions about fair and equal treatment when you are on their territorial ground.
@@TheCoolestRob it's not that their nationalism is good, it just is, and it is particularly strong given chinese ethnocentrism and their sense of historical humiliation from western imperialism.
@@TheCoolestRob nationalism is a chess piece for the communist party. it is the backbone of the regime's legitimacy in ruling the massive country. in other words, the government is not elected and the head of state is basically an emperor, he does whatever he likes and kill whoever doubts his actions. so how would you tell the people to accept an emperor? simple, you tell them that the rest of the world is hostile to china and only the communist party is willing and able to protect the race and its culture.
He could escape through Kinmen Island. An island that belongs to Taiwan, but is only 5km away from Mainland China. Get a little bit money to take boat from mainland to Kinmen Island and then to Taiwan to the Australian embassy in Taipei
Exactly. Lots of boats and alternate routes out. But, they may execute him if caught trying to board a ship. But that’s a risk you take if you’re trapped abroad and tapped on bribe money.
Democracy consists of four key elements: 1. a political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections 2. the active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life 3. protection of the human rights of all citizens 4. a rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens. So 0 out of 4!
As an American Chinese person, I'm very embarrassed of Chinese people in the Urban areas. Most suburban and rural areas are filled with very homely, nice people. Unfortunately, there are many regions where "cheating the system" or "bendings laws" are highly applauded. A lot of these Urban Chinese people also look down upon other different Chinese people, let alone foreigners. I urge you guys to stay away from China if possible.
This people have no values in life. No ethic or honor or how you want to call it. In africa they are importing rice made of plastic then packaging it in bags that are labeled like a local brand and when people eat it they die, especially kids.
No! First rule: read and understand a contract before signing! Or make a video about it, where it falsifies the claim, the Chinese would have broken the contract. Actually usually grannies get scammed this way. Read or get help reading a contract if you cannot. Would have saved a lot of trouble.
@@larsradtke4097 First off: Are you sure that you saw the same video as the rest of us? Second of all: The 1st Ferengi Rule of Acquisition is: Once you have their money... you never give it back.
I copied this comment from one of the replies here from @x. su. "Basically you couldn't read that contract and just got suckered by the story. That contract is a contract for a 4 days loan in the amount of 217000 RMB, between the Chinese person and the Australian person. It uses the gym and the equipment as collateral, but it's NOT a contract for selling the gym. Legally, this is as straight forward as it gets. If he can't produce a receipt showing he paid the money back, he would lose the case in any country, any court." I just looked at the contact again, apparently this Australian guy was scammed by the Chinese guy because he didn't or couldn't understand the contract but signed it anyway. This is the lesson people should learn. Be careful when you are going to sign a contract! Try to understand every detail in the contract and get help if you couldn't understand it.
The "contract" with all the red finger-prints shows: 1.5%/月 (1.5% / month) 4日 (4 day) a date: 2016/1/15 another date: 2016/1/19 For a foreigner who has been in china for few years, he must have known this contract is not a sale contract. I suspect the Australian dude is not telling the whole story.
@@johnpokl9380 From reading the doc., my interpretation is the Aussie borrowed money to open the Gym, but didn't have money to repay the bank when he sold the business. The buyer gave him a short term loan to repay the bank, so the transaction will be clear. The buyer had paid the seller but who knows if the seller use the money repaying the bank. Actually it should be the bank to go after him, not the buyer; but could be the buyer repaid the bank already so he went after the Aussie.
We left China in 2017 after 17 years working in various charities. Because of Visa law we cannot work anymore. They own you . I remember adoptive parents not breathing until plane took off. I remember a baby being removed from plane before takeoff. The government owns you.
That is sad! China is hurting itself with such behaviour, but I suppose Chinese Gov't just doesn't care about own citizens! Why would they remove a child? The Chinese Gov't gets paid a lot of money for adoption!
I escaped. I got out 9 months ago. THANK GOD! Country nearly killed me. I love watching these guys try to be "fair" so that they themselves do not get into trouble. It's a fine line.
I'm 4 minutes into this sob story and I can already tell you the ending and moral of the story. "Don't start a business in China with a bunch of get rich quick con men" LOL
That entire country is like a bunch of teenagers who discovered alcohol for the first time... All a bunch of ignorant greedy animals getting hard-ons over making a profit.
You guys are awesome. Family people with honor. Business people, teachers and educators. All the while, modern day superheroes to folks in need. I'm a big fan and appreciate the work that you two are doing. Stay safe.
I just wanted to say, in my opinion (2 years exp in China 2010 -2012), there is no problem studying in China (except for bureaucratic illogicality and cheating : ) ). I agree about business as discussed in the video, but on the other hand, 2 foreigner friends of mine have a number of bars in Guangdong and are doing quite well. The situation of an individual is more nuanced than just black and white. However, usually any educational qualification gained is meaningless in the West, but the experience of living in China is quite interesting.
There is no issue living or working in China. How many foreigners are in China right now? A hell of a lot! How many of them are barred from leaving? Not many. Yes, it is unfair how this guy has been treated by the Chinese court system, but that's a risk you take when starting a business in China without having a close Chinese friend/partner on board. For normal people who aren't getting involved in this kind of stuff, there is no problem with living here. I think there are many reasons why people want to live in China and to say that 1.5 billion people are bad just because of where they are from is just crap. Since being in China I have only met nice and friendly people. If you mess around with girls then you will get yourself into shit... relationships aren't viewed in the same way here as they are in the West. Most girls don't want to just fool around and then never talk again.
@@MopppppzzooooRRRRRR His risk was actually signing over a business with a debt he signed for without payment. Which is a no no. He should have sold it outright, making the other guy take out a loan, because if the scammer guy couldn't raise the capital, then you know something is amiss. In conjunction notifying the financial institution he took the loan out with of his intention to pay off the debt. Remember when financial institutions lend money they do a financial check on you as a person, not the other guy you try to pass the debt onto. He left himself wide open.
khwaac Ditto. Contrary to the retards calling racism and islamophobia and homophobia in the west that dont want to go away and back to their countries, people usually flee countries where theres actual racism or persecution like in this case. If you stay it means you are just there looking for trouble.
In the west it's headline news if say, a barista is slightly rude to a black person. Huge racism scandals have come of that. While in China, hardcore racism and xenophobia is practically written into law. Crazy
China will flip out about someone who even looks Chinese possibly being treated rudely in another country. The 50 centers on here also love to talk about how black people are treated in the US. It's fun to ask how black people are treated in China. Or Muslims.
From what I understood, this person signed a contract in China, written in Chinese, not understanding the terms mentioned in the contract, not consulting a lawyer first and not doing any due diligence on the new business partner. From a business point of view, this guy should not be doing business anyway, as these things are basic, no matter in which country you run a business. There are a lot things missing in this story, but for sure it is an expensive lesson.
@@ezioauditore5616 @ The problem still is China. It is Scam Central! They are only allowed because the CCP want the foreign investment; little guys like him don't matter/count.
China always seems to want it both ways; that is, "China wins, you lose" no matter the situation with regard to foreigners. BTW, I really appreciate all the info and links in the description panel of each video. Saves time and it allows me not to miss something. ;-) (Donated, and wish him luck!)
You donated without actually reading that contract, didn’t you? That contract is a personal loan document showing the Australian guy borrowed 217000RMB and was supposed to pay it back in 4 days. NoWhere does it say a sale of the business was to take place. Based on that, he would lose the case anywhere in the world.
My friend , a company owner was invited for an investment of her brand two weeks ago in China. Turned out be a big scam, money of flight tickets and first payment of their "fees" of bank transfers of investment was done . Luckily she and me figured it out early . If someone is investing in your company you shouldnt pay a nickle. Be aware . They invited her to a we presume their office . Payed hotel stays, and dinners. We called the police and talked to them in Mandarin . They said they cant help, even we got address and phone numbers correct to the scammers. So.. if something sounds like an amazing thing from China. be aware. They are dirty rats who can ruin you
Erik Tillkvist You sure you own a business? How much do you value your enterprice that you are willing to pay for someone to invest in you? If i had got a mail from some no one saying they want to invest, first how much for what % of the company, and then who the fuck are you? Why would you even take money from people you dont know, have no idea of their connections or morals? I always thought businesses were all about trust, why are you giving yours away for so cheap them? You are either too stupid or dont value your business nor your work the way you should.
In light of recent events, absolutely avoid China. Each and every foreigner visitor is viewed as a potential bargaining chip in negotiations with the foreigner's government.
Winston, I have watched your channel for years and 2 things I really remember, 1. Chinese people are very friendly, and 2. Watch out for any business of any kind no matter what. Stay clear, there is no justice for any foreigner. That said I feel sorry for the guy, but at the same time you're really putting a knife to your throat. Visit China but no business dealings. I learned a lot of that from watching you. Good luck to the guy
@ I agree. No business is the best business in China, so deal with another country that treats foreigners fairly. Is Singapore a fair and just society; one would think so or business would not have been so good there.?
I think the fact that he has all the legal documentation to prove his innocence will pressure the filthy Chinese court system. If he becomes more public then the Chinese could waive the charges to save face.
I've been following the adventures of these guys for two years or so and they had me wishing I could go to China as a tourist . Now in the last few weeks they've completely changed my mind.
I was arrested for using a drone in Guangzhou (which I hadn't, I just took it out of my bag) and spent five intimidating, terrifying hours in the police station with no ability to contact anybody. In general you're safe as a foreigner here but if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time it can be bloody scary!
@Ebreeze84 50 cents much? Guess you went to troll school in Shanghai, obviously you aced on using stupid insults to damage foreign criticism of beloved "people's" republic. Yeah, you have a green uniform with one stripe.
Got detained last time I was in China for reasons I don’t know. Now I was granted the opportunity to spend an exchange semester in China... Maybe I should reconsider that …
Japanimated Japan, as a country, is the only place outside of Europe/NA that has livable conditions, you know the things like rule of law and freedom of expression. In many cases, can’t find it outside of the western world sadly... Good luck and take care of yourself in Japan mate.
@@opl500 i spent 4 years for Chinese and I speak it nearly fluent now, but the problem is that i don't want to speak with these people after living in China during this time
Japan law is full of issues... Maybe you just don't know any better.. They can hold you in jail indefinitely without solid charges or proof. It's rated as the lowest on human rights for first world countries. Freedom of speech, tainted news, gender, discrimination, etc. Etc..
@@Sean.Q Yeah I already know that, no country has perfect laws, I can tolerate Japan's laws much better than China's. But if you follow the laws, mind your own business, and be respectful, you will generally be ok. I've been in Japan more than 12 years and not had one single problem. Use common sense and you wont get involved with the law in the first place.
Donated AUD14.65 to Aussie gym bro or $10 US. Best of luck. Interesting my Chinese in-laws didn't want to sign a partnership contract here in Australia in English, the business turned out poorly due to an old extortioner scammer business partner (from HK originally we refer to him as evil uncle) because they had no defense because this document wasn't signed in the beginning as they should have. I can only hope the parents know better to listen to me next time instead of being so arrogant in another country. I tried my best to help them initially as I'm a CPA and Australian I knew it was dodgy business practice taking too much risk but they didn't listen ultimately I just said "it's your money". No longer. It's like your situation but a little less expensive (still expensive!) and gives me insight why they didn't want to sign anyways. Upside down story.
“Foreigners will never win a legal battle” is a very dodgy statement. My friend managed to get custody of his daughter - mixed race - in the Chinese courts. Admittedly his lawyer said, “I’m surprised you won”.
As a Canadian I am concerned about travelling to China right now. Probably best for us just to stay away. It's unfortunate because exploring China was amazing ... but not worth going to Chinese prison.
@@kidsperspectivefamilytrave9184 I'd also stay away from Thailand at the moment. Used to be a great country to visit but it's well on it's way to becoming just another dictatorship now.
I don't have experience with China. But I can say to also be wary of Russia for the same reasons. Russia requires that you have a valid visa to exit the country and if for any reason you wind up on someone's bad side (debt, employment/contractual dispute, pissed off someone with connections, etc...), your visa will be invalidated and you are prohibited from leaving the country until you can resolve the reason for your visa being cancelled. Even overstaying your visa by leaving one minute past midnight on your visa expiration date will create a visa issue preventing you from leaving (and your flight/train being delayed is not a valid reason for overstaying). Then to top it off, you as the foreigner can't resolve your own visa issue. Instead your visa sponsor (travel agency for tourist visas, employer for work/business visas) must resolve your visa issue on your behalf.
Scary story about the Australian gym guy, things like that happened to Taiwanese business men in China in the early days as well, I meant 1980's ,Chinese official made a joint venture with you, provided nothing but some land, eventually they squeeze you out, took all your investment and you could never win in the court. unless you have some very powerful Chinese friend, who can influence the scammer. actually some time the scammer already bribed the judge.
Frank Liu Yes. I heard of those same stories from my Taiwanese college juniors back in the the late 80s early 90s too. China = big scam fraud fake scheme ponzi everything.. People to biz to products. Just the commie way.
@splinkster1 What? Canada is just following orders. It's an extradition treaty with the US and we can not break that agreement. Huawei was arrested in Canada in her multimillion dollar home because she broke international law. Unlike China Canada follows it's laws and doesn't break them and do whatever they want.
@splinkster1 The US is our Ally. We stand with them. Yes they have done horrible things in the past and I condemned it. But Canada had no extradition treaty with any country for the war Crimes that Dick Cheney did. China is influencing Venezuela as well buddy. Russia, China and the US are all trying to influence Venezuela.. This has happened throughout history. It's about power and control. If one side doesn't act the other will. Get over it. IF China breaks international law all the time and never follows any rules. Devalues their currency, causing a huge imbalance in the global markets and housing markets. Handing out loans like candy. Of course you can expect Western powers to stop being pushed over and stand up against a country that doesn't follow any rules by breaking a few of their own.
@splinkster1 And like I said, the US is our Ally. Who is China's Ally? Russia? Iran? Get fucked! HAHAHA China can't do shit. The entire world will come down on them.
I asked Chinese person about this and all they said was “how do you know the foreigner isn’t lying and signed over the gym without informing the native about the loan?” Which is a valid point. But it can be invalidated just by looking at the contract. Which I showed them. Still didn’t believe the Chinese Business man was in the wrong
Isn't this a bit contradictory that you guys are saying Chinese court always in favor of Chinese citizens? what's the point of raising the money for him if the whole case is going to the Chinese court. It's just another 8000 yuan wasted.
That's a fair point but at the same time he needs a lawyer of some kind right? Worse case scenario I'm sure someone could come through with some bribe money to a judge or something to get this person out.
@@demonkogure99 It does not work like that, I am telling you. If he could bribe or something, the other party would do more. The best way to do is to raise the attention of the media so that more people will know it. Mostly people in China I believe will stand on the side of justice.
@@roskeyhou5327 iono man... our company had two containers of atlantic mackerel bascially swindeled by a firm there and the authorities wouldn't give us the time of day so... :|
As an american who lived here for a few years, I agree with you. It'd be pointless. You'd better have the best guanxi in the world. But if he did, he wouldnt be in this problem to begin with. It'd just be wasting money. contact embassy, and find a new way out.
Looking at the boy's face, I'd say he's a typical pampered Vietnamese child (chubby and rude). The father looks like a mid-level government administrative officer. Also, it's illegal now to have more than 2 people on a scooter, so the family is not the most law-abiding citizens. Just my view as a Vietnamese. Pay no heed to them, as there are way more friendly people in Vietnam than those 3.
I got stuck at the crossing going out of China back to HK at a Chinese border crossing in Shenzhen back in the mid 80s ( around the time when it become a special economic zone) it was a lot smaller city back then .. .but I was stuck at the crossing because the border people had not seen a New Zealand passport before and did not know if it was a real country/passport! Even through it had a large Chinese visa on one the pages. It took my Chinese wife (a Hong Konger ) around 20 min. of shouting back and forward before they let me through rather reluctantly. Not sure what would have happened if my wife had not been there and I was alone ..maybe still be there :) :)
It seems China learned from Africa. About two months ago a South African resort owner was jailed (and died in that jail within three days) in Mozambique. His Mozambican partner collaborated with the police because this partner was greedy enough to want everything. Obviously the South African government refused to help.
It is to bad about the bloke and his problems. But also he is not a very savvy businessman You can have all the contracts in the world that say the buyer of the business assumes all debt of the business it makes no difference. He had a loan with a bank. The bank does not care what he does with the business. The fact is he is still obligated for that loan. The buyer may have been a scam artist but, and in China contracts, if not done right are worthless, when he sold the business he should have made himself completely free of all debt against him. Yes, China is notorious for its' business practices. This is all the more reason to not trust anyone and do everything you can to protect yourself.
@boshi liu Everything you said is wrong except one thing, Hong Kong is not real China, but slowly becoming, which is sad, because China is such undeveloped society and country.
So nice to see you guys in Vietnam. I've had enough of Southern China for a while. Looking forward to see you guys riding in Japan, Thailand, India and elsewhere. And please come here to Norway, with our crowded streets and wild and dangerous traffic I'm sure it'll fit right in to your channel.
Chris H. Interesting Country. Having travelled through Europe, Africa, and America prior to Chinese visit. Visited Beijing, Shanghai, and Tianjin. The first was how wide the streets were in Beijing by Tiannemen square. Many Chinese rode black bicycles, and snow on ground in December. The air was full of Coal dust. Dirty breathing the air. I actually was sick from the breathing the coal dust. Went to Beijing hospital (no one speak English), the doctors knew exactly what my problem was. Solved it quickly. Two thumbs up for healthcare. The subway system was crazy. When everyone pushes on/off the subway, no one moves. Need duck, push, etc just to get on/off. No order, just chaos. They also sold roasted sweet potato at the subway stations. Cheap and tasty. Not many high rises downtown. No visitors, because of Tiannamen square incident one year earlier. Five star hotels were cheap. Met a few Beijing girls whom were same age (22), and they all seemed young (15 year olds), and naive. They were nice. Went to some old War bunkers for New Years celebration parties. It was good, and my Asian hosts were excellent. Many schools had ping pong boards propped up against the outer wall (similar to America basketball courts. At school), and you can play against yourself, or competition. The China wall was steep, those men/women whom built the China wall would have been in excellent condition. Now I see all the high rises, and vehicles. This didn’t exist 30 years ago. The communist service at restaurants then was not good back then. The food was spicy and hot. Everyone drank tea, and many had these large thermos full of hot water for tea. The pollution looks less than 30 years. However difficult to assess from video. Biggest part congestion of people. There are billions of Asians, in small area. You see why when Asians come to Canada, there is space. Individual space, livable space, clean quality oxygen to breathe, and crystal clear water to drink. Keep up good videos. Thank You PB43
Go to a rural area, and bribe a border guard and/or local person doing trade across the border with any of the southeast asian countires instead. Don't go the white collar route with the officials.
Sounds like ominous times in China. Seems like the government has decided that their domestic economy has achieved enough and now its time to batten down the hatches and devolve back to the bad old days. The same old recurring iterations of opening up and then shutting down again. Sad for the people. Any society that cannot embrace basic business law is doomed to never truly prosper long-term. If contracts can't be trusted, then no business deal can really be trusted.
Yep. They're starting to show their colors BECAUSE of the social credit system and AI/Survelliance is in place to monitor the population. They now have the means to achieve complete control and they since they have some wealth they can keep majority of the population docile.
We keep hearing the news about companies moving their tooling, computers and other equipment to China, hire a Chinese factory manager to employee people to produce their product. Only later to learn that the manager pocketed a lot of money, didn't pay the bills and failed to bribe the local gov't and the factory and contents are seized. That seizure includes inventory, tooling and computers. Everything! Now it is tied up in the Chinese courts for 5 years or more. That company goes bankrupt because they have no product and no equipment to make the product. There is no recourse unless the company has funding reserves to start over elsewhere. I keep hearing that Apple has had enough of China is relocating to India. Of course Apple's technology was also stolen.
@@ironfistarrival it's a cost they knew beforehand and one they paid as a result of cheap labor. it was always a part of the plan. any company screaming foul play had anticipated that foul play LONG ago. they've made their profits, paid their dues (IP theft) and reinvested into making new technologies they plan to produce elsewhere... it's always been the plan, China wasn't going to be the cheapest labor market forever.
Without a lawyer representing in court, it is guaranteed loss. The law does not favor a person who isn't in court. Default judgements happen in the USA and other countries. In Mexico, I helped a former girlfriend who's brother and sister inlaw got provisional custody of her child in a trial she was not informed of. She didn't know about the case because he had the court notification sent to himself. I paid a lawyer to represent her. She was a foreigner and her brother was naturalized Mexican. The lawyer got the brother's case suspended with and anti-corruption process called "amparo". That didn't get her son back, but stopped his trial days before he obtained definitive custody. The brother got criminally denounced for child abduction when he moved with her son out of the state illegally. The brother decided to return her son after he and his wife were put on the front page of the newspaper for being denounced (with case number) for child abduction. His employer told him to clean his name or lose his career. There are anti-corruption measures in Mexico that work. However, you need a lawyer who is a good person.
This was fantastic, I've been considering starting a business in China, and I learned a lot from this about what to be careful of. Any more videos about business starting in China, whether it be a small local thing or a real estate (if that's even possible/a good idea) thing would be really cool!
My friend started a private school in China, and told me that every month he had to entertain the local education minister, watch him get drunk, and sing songs with him and pay for every thing, and also slip him quite a bit of money under the table, and this was just so he would be allowed to continue operating! Remember, my friend was NOT a foreigner, he was CHINESE!
Even worse in Cambodia. A guy had married a Cambodian girl and started a shop in PP. A connected military guy came in one day and looked around and said he would be back for the keys in a couple of days and that the business was his now. They ignored the threat and soon after a hand grenade was tossed into the shop which killed the cambodian grandmother. They split ASAP.
I've gone through court in South Korea. I told Winston my story when I met him here in the US. It may seem like the west(USA, UK, etc.) is lawyer happy sometimes. But its a stark and scary contrast when you go out and find that many countries do not follow their own laws if they do not feel like it. And being a foreigner there is little you can do.
Ben Ralston live in Korea myself. Haven’t had any problems yet. But I’ve hard friends who were attacked by Koreans be the ones who get in trouble. Even though it was on video. You can’t protect yourself here in Korea. Also have other friends who’s business were ruined by their Korean partners stealing money from companies and basically told by the courts to **** off.
@@hexapuma12 There are many parallels you can draw between the legal systems in many asian countries. I still love Korea and the time I spent there. I have many friends there still. But they have a lack of following the law. I don't know if it's from their culture of shame towards wrongdoing. Which is good and bad. I feel there is less violent crime due to this. But you are also correct in that the law will often side with locals rather than yourself. Korea had an interesting take in that the party with the most damage after an altercation seemed to be the one who got compensation, regardless of wrongdoing. If it was Korean vs Korean for example. As for business dealings, I don't feel it was as bad as China, but still I think the lack of recourse comes from the way their law system is setup. Lawyers are more like fact finders and advocates. They don't really seem to defend a case. I did find their idea of 3 judges to decide a case interesting. But useless when they side with there other government agencies over the letter of the law. Add to that the fact of favors and knowing the right people. And also their ability to threaten you while you are not supposed to show any extreme emotion, to keep calm at all times. It really is quite frustrating and hopeless at times.
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the picture shown at 4:52 says that the Australian dude borrowed 217000 RMB from that Chinese dude with an interest of 1.5% per month. does the Australian not read any Chinese? Or is there not a English version of the contract that he could have show?
Love the commercial! Lol love love love love.🤣🤣🤣 I also donated to John. My heart goes out to the poor fellow. Any one of us could be easily stuck in a situation like that when you're abroad. I also sent the link to a few people that may donate.
I'm from taiwan and I really enjoy your films about Vietnam. I'm surprised that Taiwan and Vietnam look a bit alike. But the Vietnam streets have a lot of trees, that's really nice. Thinking about visiting Vietnam now.
Had a friend who was a lawyer in this global law firm. He had a branch in Beijing and the shady stuff this law firm did, took a toll on him. He wanted to get out and for months he was attached to this law firm until he closed all his accounts and just packed up and left. To this day they still refuse to let him go.
Took a lot of notary services and had to go to 3 courts in Shanghai. Basically they created a fake profile about me being some technical wizard and used my photos for years after I was originally told it was a 2 year contract just to be a pretty face on a package. Total payment was 100k+ in cash in a knapsack. Took a while for ICBC to count it.
apparently so. I had to take my case to 3 different courts including on on an island @@brannoninhd2249 The factory owner strutted in to court like he had done nothing wrong and the judge just looked at him and matter of factly told him, that if she had to rule today it would be everything i asked for including a public apology in the Shanghai news papers. He then came to the small town I was living in bringing wine and made an insulting offer to settle, so i asked him face to face what his problem was and why couldn't he see the advantage of settling with a reasonable offer and let's fix the false Technology stuff. The knuckle head could not make a deal, so I went back to court and came out with the aforementioned knapsack of money. Needless to say, I don't think you'll find my photos associated with them.
tl;dr: Is it worth learning Chinese? I recently started learning Mandarin, since I really like the language and I find China's culture and history very interesting and I would love to study there in the future. But I have to be honest and say that I'm getting a little put off by the political situation and how it seems like China is closing down more and more. So is it still worth learning Chinese? or would I be better off learning something else?
I'm my experience, if you like the language and you get a sense of accomplishment from learning it that keeps you motivated, go for it. You could be learning Uzbek, but if you like it, you like it. However, I wouldn't let the current political situation deter you. China is still growing, despite inevitable growing pains (which may keep coming) and I think you'll find plenty of use for it.
Its not a bad language to learn but its really over hyped i have been learning many languages but i mostly use them online i found that i use european languages way more even languages like polish are better for what i do but it is still way better than something like dutch or Swedish and if you care about Chinese culture and history and not about european culture and history it will be worth it also it is really hard to learn how to read Chinese i can watch Chinese videos if they don't talk too fast but i can't read anything i have been trying to learn for over a year now.
My cynical answer would be: I would learn for the simple fact that Chinese are fleeing China as fast as they can... If they can get out, they do! Those are usually only the very wealthy ones, so it might be useful to be able to talk to them. My serious answer would be: You should learn Chinese because EVERY company you know does business with China! Every single company's product is now made in China! Every single company's liaison is Chinese, because they are the only ones that know both languages. Companies might pay a premium for a non-chinese who speaks fluently.
@@mickfitz76 - Then they are pretty much useless. The only thing I can think of is to get his case on the news in Australia to 'encourage' them to get involved. They could cover the cost and then bill the guy later.
I have not been seeing your videos pop up in suggested.. and to be honest I've been distracted with things closer to home lately... Good to see you guys are still making videos!
I read the description on John Graham GoGetFunding page, but it actually contradicts what you guys are saying. He says that the judicial system is actually really fair but he wants to stop the scammer from being able to do this in the future.
You can pay money to a guys that will smuggle you from Xinjiang to Kazakhstan or Russia. Why would you spend 8000$ for a case that he will potentially lose?
He will lose it you cannot even beat the US govt in court so no chance of beating the Chinese govt who would kill you off if you had any chance of winning.
Just last week, i got stopped leaving Vietnam. I was in a smaller town up north and they said i had to get to the immigration office way down south in Saigon. Long story short i ended up spending another two weeks in Vietnam because i missed renewing my previous visa by 1 day as the entry stamp was mis-stamped from 30 days to 28 days. Had to pay equivalent $500 to the immigration guy to get an new exit stamp. Asked him for a receipt, he laughed. Said i would get a receipt for the $10 stamp in passport though!! Had to buy all new plane tickets ($900), hotels, food, traspo...($300).
I feel for the guy but as you said in the video Westerners just don't win in Chinese courts so it seems futile to help pay for his lawyer. It's throwing money away.
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The Aussie guy fell into a pitfall common all over the world. If you sell a business in the west, and the purchaser agrees to pay the debts, you the business seller are still responsible for the debts if the purchaser doesn't pay. The way I would do it, is to have contracts with the lenders where they agree that the seller now bears no responsibility for the debts. The contract is called a novation. In other words, get a lawyer, especially in other countries. An honest lawyer can steer you around the scary pitfalls in their jurisdiction.
Lesson to be learned....
Never invest in China! 🇨🇳
@Pixel Storm
Never even trust anything associated with China
@Pixel Storm
Well not all products are made in China but I was talking about organizations etc associated with china. If some chinese "investor" wants to partner with you in a business be very wary they know how to game a lot of western legal systems too theyll even try and play the racism card.
And not "China" in general Im specifically talking about the modern "peoples" "republic"
But yeah if you can avoid buying stuff made in red china you should if at all possible.
@Pixel Storm
Here in BC people (and a bunch werent white) got called racist for pointing out that some chinese were essentially discriminating against all non chinese people illegally (not just whites either)
@Pixel Storm Chinese calling others raciest - that is the pot calling the kettle black.
That is your pharking lost. Don't invest if you have no monies
Go to a brutal dictatorship with a happy go lucky attitude. What could go wrong?!
Lol
Oh dear...that's possibly a fair observation
Oh those poor oppressed Tibetans, Uguyiars, Falun Gong etc etc
Oh I have a great idea I’m a westerner with a sense of impunity. I’ll just start up a business in this brothel and take my cut!
Errr we want some of your cut.........
Wailing...crying.... I demand rights, justice
Sorry Dude this is China as advertised on the pack
What’s with these videos? Did they pre shoot 1000 videos before the left China? Are they pretending to be in China now? I don’t get it.
Don't touch Whinnie the Poo's honey.
Democracy = hard to get in
Dictatorship = hard to get out
SAMURAI K9S America is a republic
Recent USA National Survey - Millennials and Gen X prefer Communism....they demand it in the USA
@SAMURAI K9S Lol is that that sovereign citizen conspiracy theory? Bud I hate to be the one to tell you this but an Internet forum has given you brain worms.
@@randydicotti3975 Bullshit - they prefer socialism, not communism - two different things that often get confused.
Hope John Harper uses the $8K to get on a fast boat out of China vs wasting time in Court.
I hope thats what they intend to use it on lol, they probably cant say it out loud on vid
You said it amigo!!
I was busted for a joint in Indonesia and could have walked away for a c note.. they even gave me the opportunity...but I panicked and ended up in the police station...they never locked me up. It was bizarre and a little scary to say the least. They wore me down..I slept on a bench for three nights. I ended up paying twenty million.......rupiah...two large...US...but it didn't end there. .six months later I was in a coffee shop in Makassar. A person at the next table who had heard my name mentioned showed me his newspaper... I was now wanted for ecstacy...I never went near the stuff...the Indonesian said that because I had paid once they would be after me again and I'll never forget he said it would end up with their congressman coming for me...I was out of the country within twelve hours...I freaked...
There are many illegal ways to slip out of the country. If you are willing to spend some cash but be careful of scams and traps.
That's a lost cause. My dad spent all his money his house his everything playing with the chinese justice system. You will never win. Better spending that money smuggling him out.
My screen is showing a comment made on an AK channel, when I click on it it shows a different comment.
No idea why decent people go to China so many other great nations where you are a person not property of the government.
@@SW-ii5gg Does it also show weird like/views numbers?
I also get this problem often, especially after using "Translate this page" function.
Just refresh and it goes away.
Yea. Just take the 2 grand and pay a local who knows the boarder system pretty well.
@@benoitbvg2888 When I refresh, or worse click on other videos, it gets worse. It can be hilarious. I've seen Zs in the like numbers and trillions as well.
This whole thing could have been avoided if only Winston had married a lawyer instead of a doctor.
Chief Enumclaw You made me spit coffee on my screen!
Sounds like a pitch for a 90s TV show... "Wang JD MD" ^^
He married a doctor? I had no idea. No idea at all.
@@GamesFromSpace it's good for role play
hahaha
Lesson for the rest of us seems to be (this is from China Law Blog, referring to JG's video)
This video is Exhibit A for why you should not do business with China (at all) without good legal advice from day ONE.
The only good legal advice in china is having powerful connections and greasing palms.
. . . until your "Connections" lose THEIR Connections
That happened to me too, but the bill was only RMB 30000. The US Consulate told me they could issue me another passport, but I could never come back.
I’m glad you are ok. Hopefully you can return one the communists lose power.
Why would you want to go back to that shit hole. Fuck China.
@@dennisp8520 why the fuk would anyone want to go there in the first place to live?
Google User because it is an amazing place to live. Food is super good and technology is advanced in China.
Asian countries are becoming overpriced for living
Perhaps a stupid question, but China is huge. Can't he sneak out at a remote border area?
@indiapale, Illegally enter another country and then visit the local embassy.
Well at lease someone will listen to you
@indiapale so fucking what, they will deport you. Big deal
@mrgerminaro And then the ccp will grab a few americans like they did canadians!
China has a really large border. He can ship his belongings out and pay around $100 for a hiking guide to get out. I won't name the locations but you guys can figure it out.
drug smugllers have same idea as you, then they failed.
I'm subscribe to facebook posts from the Australian Federal Police. It looks like these days this type of thing can be easily discovered.
Also I think I heard of a thing on the news where smugglers were throwing people overboard
So instead of getting them to the Islands close to Australia. They just kill them.
Dig a hole and you end up in Australia
@@haoye8210 Drug smugglers goes in and out of China instead of just leaving it.
Funny thing is, if the shoe was on the other foot, all of China would be offended.
No they wouldn't be. They aren't little crying bitches like we are here in the west. Yes China is hyper nationalistic and they could be a little mellower but the fact that they at least stand up for their own people isn't a bad thing per se. It just doesn't have to be to the EXTREME.
@Gary Holden Do you have dyslexia? I clearly mentioned in my post that the Chinese are a little extreme in their actions. That said. fuck Canadians, the laughing stock of the world.
@Gary Holden like canadians and americans never abused foreigners... pot calling the kettle black...
Weren't they offended by the Huawei princeling (princessling?) who was picked up due to the US Interpol warrant in Canada?
@nfw meanwhile you sound like you learned English from a parrot. What are you even saying?
the american founder of beijing's first quality pizza joint was muscled-out of his very successful business by a chinese partner as well, and there was nothing he could do about it. chinese people are for chinese people, dont get any illusions about fair and equal treatment when you are on their territorial ground.
Why is their nationalism OK and everyone else's isn't :/
@@TheCoolestRob it's not that their nationalism is good, it just is, and it is particularly strong given chinese ethnocentrism and their sense of historical humiliation from western imperialism.
the problem is they cant do anything against the nationalism, nobody really can
@@TheCoolestRob nationalism is a chess piece for the communist party. it is the backbone of the regime's legitimacy in ruling the massive country. in other words, the government is not elected and the head of state is basically an emperor, he does whatever he likes and kill whoever doubts his actions. so how would you tell the people to accept an emperor? simple, you tell them that the rest of the world is hostile to china and only the communist party is willing and able to protect the race and its culture.
China thief.china thief. Someone please write a song about it.😆😆😆
He could escape through Kinmen Island. An island that belongs to Taiwan, but is only 5km away from Mainland China.
Get a little bit money to take boat from mainland to Kinmen Island and then to Taiwan to the Australian embassy in Taipei
👀
You are teaching him to sin
@SwissArmy1984 Yes, there used to be bombardings, but today, it is safe
Well at least he's a "gym boy", he should be able to swim 5K.
Exactly. Lots of boats and alternate routes out. But, they may execute him if caught trying to board a ship. But that’s a risk you take if you’re trapped abroad and tapped on bribe money.
Democracy consists of four key elements:
1. a political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections
2. the active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life
3. protection of the human rights of all citizens
4. a rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens.
So 0 out of 4!
As an American Chinese person, I'm very embarrassed of Chinese people in the Urban areas. Most suburban and rural areas are filled with very homely, nice people. Unfortunately, there are many regions where "cheating the system" or "bendings laws" are highly applauded. A lot of these Urban Chinese people also look down upon other different Chinese people, let alone foreigners. I urge you guys to stay away from China if possible.
another great reason to stay out of China
This people have no values in life. No ethic or honor or how you want to call it. In africa they are importing rice made of plastic then packaging it in bags that are labeled like a local brand and when people eat it they die, especially kids.
We've gotten so many now that we could write a book on the topic, hahaha!!
'1000 reasons why you shouldn't go to China'
I can think of about 1.4 billion other reasons right off the top of my head.
@@robbirobson7330 A kilo of plastic rice cost ten times more the real rice. lol
@@kongwee1978 yea its possible but if its the only rice that you can buy what can you do
ever heard of being Shanghai'd? It's now Shenzhened!
This reminds of Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #17: "A contract is a contract is a contract (but only between Ferengi)."
Lol!... but accurate. Beware of foreigners eyeing your Latinum!
@Nikolaij Brouiller Well China does say "Resistance is futile" quite a lot...and I don't think they're referring to Ohms Law.
No! First rule: read and understand a contract before signing! Or make a video about it, where it falsifies the claim, the Chinese would have broken the contract. Actually usually grannies get scammed this way. Read or get help reading a contract if you cannot. Would have saved a lot of trouble.
@@larsradtke4097 First off: Are you sure that you saw the same video as the rest of us?
Second of all: The 1st Ferengi Rule of Acquisition is: Once you have their money... you never give it back.
@kristof polleunis That dose sound like the CCP.
The same games happen in Kyrgyzstan, where I lived for 4 years. I left because I could see the writing on the wall.
Glad your safe now.
The fact that you chose Kyrgyzstan is all on you!
Can you talk about your experiences there?
I copied this comment from one of the replies here from @x. su.
"Basically you couldn't read that contract and just got suckered by the story. That contract is a contract for a 4 days loan in the amount of 217000 RMB, between the Chinese person and the Australian person. It uses the gym and the equipment as collateral, but it's NOT a contract for selling the gym. Legally, this is as straight forward as it gets. If he can't produce a receipt showing he paid the money back, he would lose the case in any country, any court."
I just looked at the contact again, apparently this Australian guy was scammed by the Chinese guy because he didn't or couldn't understand the contract but signed it anyway. This is the lesson people should learn. Be careful when you are going to sign a contract! Try to understand every detail in the contract and get help if you couldn't understand it.
The "contract" with all the red finger-prints shows:
1.5%/月 (1.5% / month)
4日 (4 day)
a date: 2016/1/15
another date: 2016/1/19
For a foreigner who has been in china for few years, he must have known this contract is not a sale contract. I suspect the Australian dude is not telling the whole story.
@@johnpokl9380 From reading the doc., my interpretation is the Aussie borrowed money to open the Gym, but didn't have money to repay the bank when he sold the business. The buyer gave him a short term loan to repay the bank, so the transaction will be clear. The buyer had paid the seller but who knows if the seller use the money repaying the bank. Actually it should be the bank to go after him, not the buyer; but could be the buyer repaid the bank already so he went after the Aussie.
If he is going to lose in court, wouldn't the money be better spent bribing his way out.
8K could get him to HK and out to taiwan I bet
Yes, bargain and bribe him out.
@ He isn't Chinese; it would never work.
maybe if he pretended to be chinese...
We left China in 2017 after 17 years working in various charities. Because of Visa law we cannot work anymore. They own you . I remember adoptive parents not breathing until plane took off. I remember a baby being removed from plane before takeoff. The government owns you.
That is sad! China is hurting itself with such behaviour, but I suppose Chinese Gov't just doesn't care about own citizens!
Why would they remove a child? The Chinese Gov't gets paid a lot of money for adoption!
I will go back after there is a change of government.
This is so sad!
Its communist government what do u expect ? Things like this will not happens in Taiwan
I escaped. I got out 9 months ago. THANK GOD! Country nearly killed me. I love watching these guys try to be "fair" so that they themselves do not get into trouble. It's a fine line.
what happened to you?
Yeah that's exactly it.
@@tonylaoshi-8990 he just wants likes
you escaped? like people really need you to be there? you are talking about China not NK, just buy your ticket and gtfo
May God bless you !
I'm 4 minutes into this sob story and I can already tell you the ending and moral of the story. "Don't start a business in China with a bunch of get rich quick con men"
LOL
That entire country is like a bunch of teenagers who discovered alcohol for the first time... All a bunch of ignorant greedy animals getting hard-ons over making a profit.
Robert Harvilla Do not invest in China . . . . PERIOD!!
You idiot, the guys he started it with were fine.
@@sammyd7857 Yeah, bullsh*t .!
You guys are awesome. Family people with honor. Business people, teachers and educators. All the while, modern day superheroes to folks in need.
I'm a big fan and appreciate the work that you two are doing. Stay safe.
My daughter wanted to move to China and study. This is exactly why l raised hell and convinced her not to.
I just wanted to say, in my opinion (2 years exp in China 2010 -2012), there is no problem studying in China (except for bureaucratic illogicality and cheating : ) ). I agree about business as discussed in the video, but on the other hand, 2 foreigner friends of mine have a number of bars in Guangdong and are doing quite well. The situation of an individual is more nuanced than just black and white. However, usually any educational qualification gained is meaningless in the West, but the experience of living in China is quite interesting.
There is no issue living or working in China. How many foreigners are in China right now? A hell of a lot! How many of them are barred from leaving? Not many. Yes, it is unfair how this guy has been treated by the Chinese court system, but that's a risk you take when starting a business in China without having a close Chinese friend/partner on board. For normal people who aren't getting involved in this kind of stuff, there is no problem with living here. I think there are many reasons why people want to live in China and to say that 1.5 billion people are bad just because of where they are from is just crap. Since being in China I have only met nice and friendly people. If you mess around with girls then you will get yourself into shit... relationships aren't viewed in the same way here as they are in the West. Most girls don't want to just fool around and then never talk again.
@@MopppppzzooooRRRRRR His risk was actually signing over a business with a debt he signed for without payment. Which is a no no. He should have sold it outright, making the other guy take out a loan, because if the scammer guy couldn't raise the capital, then you know something is amiss. In conjunction notifying the financial institution he took the loan out with of his intention to pay off the debt. Remember when financial institutions lend money they do a financial check on you as a person, not the other guy you try to pass the debt onto. He left himself wide open.
I’m going to do that this year. Shouldn’t be afraid as long as you follow the laws and be smart about decisions.
So she doesnt take a loan out for a gym?
omg that VPN advert you guys did was hilarious. 1st sponsor moment in a youtube vid I have actually sat through in at least 2 months. Great idea!
Why try to fight for justice in a rigged system. I'd just try to sneak out.
khwaac
Ditto. Contrary to the retards calling racism and islamophobia and homophobia in the west that dont want to go away and back to their countries, people usually flee countries where theres actual racism or persecution like in this case.
If you stay it means you are just there looking for trouble.
In the west it's headline news if say, a barista is slightly rude to a black person. Huge racism scandals have come of that.
While in China, hardcore racism and xenophobia is practically written into law.
Crazy
Only pasty-pale Western countries even HAVE the concept of multiculturalism. The rest of the world is openly ethnocentric and they think we're nuts.
@@edennis8578 Totally agree. It's our mistake
China will flip out about someone who even looks Chinese possibly being treated rudely in another country. The 50 centers on here also love to talk about how black people are treated in the US. It's fun to ask how black people are treated in China. Or Muslims.
From what I understood, this person signed a contract in China, written in Chinese, not understanding the terms mentioned in the contract, not consulting a lawyer first and not doing any due diligence on the new business partner. From a business point of view, this guy should not be doing business anyway, as these things are basic, no matter in which country you run a business. There are a lot things missing in this story, but for sure it is an expensive lesson.
problem is not china, but the user
btw, tons of starbucks, walmarts, mcdonalds/kfc in china owned by foreigners/locals
@@ezioauditore5616 @ The problem still is China. It is Scam Central! They are only allowed because the CCP want the foreign investment; little guys like him don't matter/count.
China always seems to want it both ways; that is, "China wins, you lose" no matter the situation with regard to foreigners. BTW, I really appreciate all the info and links in the description panel of each video. Saves time and it allows me not to miss something. ;-) (Donated, and wish him luck!)
Donated. It's not GoFundMe by the way. Its "GoGetFunding." LOL it sounds like a Chinese knock-off but still I donated.
I am sure he appreciates it! Thanks!
@@laowhy86 do not take this wrong young man.
Commerce is a fraud in this day and age.
Be safe kiddo!
Maybe buy him a rocket so he can shoot himself over the border?
Scott Humphreys That sounds like a better plan.
You donated without actually reading that contract, didn’t you? That contract is a personal loan document showing the Australian guy borrowed 217000RMB and was supposed to pay it back in 4 days. NoWhere does it say a sale of the business was to take place. Based on that, he would lose the case anywhere in the world.
My friend , a company owner was invited for an investment of her brand two weeks ago in China. Turned out be a big scam, money of flight tickets and first payment of their "fees" of bank transfers of investment was done . Luckily she and me figured it out early . If someone is investing in your company you shouldnt pay a nickle. Be aware .
They invited her to a we presume their office . Payed hotel stays, and dinners. We called the police and talked to them in Mandarin . They said they cant help, even we got address and phone numbers correct to the scammers. So.. if something sounds like an amazing thing from China. be aware. They are dirty rats who can ruin you
Erik Tillkvist
You sure you own a business? How much do you value your enterprice that you are willing to pay for someone to invest in you? If i had got a mail from some no one saying they want to invest, first how much for what % of the company, and then who the fuck are you? Why would you even take money from people you dont know, have no idea of their connections or morals?
I always thought businesses were all about trust, why are you giving yours away for so cheap them? You are either too stupid or dont value your business nor your work the way you should.
In light of recent events, absolutely avoid China. Each and every foreigner visitor is viewed as a potential bargaining chip in negotiations with the foreigner's government.
Winston, I have watched your channel for years and 2 things I really remember, 1. Chinese people are very friendly, and 2. Watch out for any business of any kind no matter what. Stay clear, there is no justice for any foreigner. That said I feel sorry for the guy, but at the same time you're really putting a knife to your throat. Visit China but no business dealings. I learned a lot of that from watching you. Good luck to the guy
@ I agree. No business is the best business in China, so deal with another country that treats foreigners fairly. Is Singapore a fair and just society; one would think so or business would not have been so good there.?
Asking for money to fight a case, but 'The Chinese courts always take the side of the Chinese'
What?
May be if he has a Chinese lawyer he'll have a chance
@@Visions-by-J everybody should have a right for a better life
I think the fact that he has all the legal documentation to prove his innocence will pressure the filthy Chinese court system. If he becomes more public then the Chinese could waive the charges to save face.
He thinks they will be "exposed" for their corrupt bullshit and go in his favor. He forgets they don't care if the world knows they are corrupt.
@@Visions-by-J Aren't you Chinese living in China with a government paycheck?
I've been following the adventures of these guys for two years or so and they had me wishing I could go to China as a tourist . Now in the last few weeks they've completely changed my mind.
disgustedvet
Because they fled from China 🇨🇳 and they can’t return to their wife’s
@@ibrahimzamil6986 What are you talking about? They are with their Chinese families! They travel for the videos!
I was arrested for using a drone in Guangzhou (which I hadn't, I just took it out of my bag) and spent five intimidating, terrifying hours in the police station with no ability to contact anybody. In general you're safe as a foreigner here but if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time it can be bloody scary!
@Ebreeze84 50 cents much? Guess you went to troll school in Shanghai, obviously you aced on using stupid insults to damage foreign criticism of beloved "people's" republic. Yeah, you have a green uniform with one stripe.
@Ebreeze84 LOL you're a fucking idiot. be a sheep slave for your dictators. clap when you're told. dumbass.
Such an underrated channel. I love your discussions and I've learned a lot from you guys before traveling to China and now travelling their regularly.
Got detained last time I was in China for reasons I don’t know. Now I was granted the opportunity to spend an exchange semester in China... Maybe I should reconsider that …
Someone might be reeling you in. Not a farfetched idea.
So glad I chose Japan as my destination. Unless you're willing to accept this kind of nonsense in China, you should not go there.
Japanimated Japan, as a country, is the only place outside of Europe/NA that has livable conditions, you know the things like rule of law and freedom of expression. In many cases, can’t find it outside of the western world sadly... Good luck and take care of yourself in Japan mate.
I refuse to learn Mandarin. I'll happily learn Japanese, German and Russian but I'll be damned if I'll ever have to talk to the Chinese
@@opl500 i spent 4 years for Chinese and I speak it nearly fluent now, but the problem is that i don't want to speak with these people after living in China during this time
Japan law is full of issues... Maybe you just don't know any better..
They can hold you in jail indefinitely without solid charges or proof.
It's rated as the lowest on human rights for first world countries. Freedom of speech, tainted news, gender, discrimination, etc. Etc..
@@Sean.Q
Yeah I already know that, no country has perfect laws, I can tolerate Japan's laws much better than China's. But if you follow the laws, mind your own business, and be respectful, you will generally be ok. I've been in Japan more than 12 years and not had one single problem.
Use common sense and you wont get involved with the law in the first place.
Donated AUD14.65 to Aussie gym bro or $10 US. Best of luck. Interesting my Chinese in-laws didn't want to sign a partnership contract here in Australia in English, the business turned out poorly due to an old extortioner scammer business partner (from HK originally we refer to him as evil uncle) because they had no defense because this document wasn't signed in the beginning as they should have. I can only hope the parents know better to listen to me next time instead of being so arrogant in another country. I tried my best to help them initially as I'm a CPA and Australian I knew it was dodgy business practice taking too much risk but they didn't listen ultimately I just said "it's your money". No longer. It's like your situation but a little less expensive (still expensive!) and gives me insight why they didn't want to sign anyways. Upside down story.
Wow! Not being able to leave the country. That insane!
3:35 is an amazing shot you guys i appreciate the production you guys put into even b roll.
“Foreigners will never win a legal battle” is a very dodgy statement. My friend managed to get custody of his daughter - mixed race - in the Chinese courts. Admittedly his lawyer said, “I’m surprised you won”.
Probably more telling about the mother than anything.
The child was half Chinese not good enough to them.
A Westerner would be crazy to set up a business in China.
They are always lured in by the "over one billion customer untapped market" angle.
There are hundred thousands of crazy westerners , if your logic holds.
no, just greedy.
Barred from leaving is being kept prisoner. That's kind of not surprising, china is a quirky place.
I think quirky might not be the most fitting adjective.
As a Canadian I am concerned about travelling to China right now. Probably best for us just to stay away. It's unfortunate because exploring China was amazing ... but not worth going to Chinese prison.
Just go to Taiwan instead. China without the cultural degradation.
@@ivarlosna6516 I think we will take your advice! We were planning a return trip to China but now we are looking at other destinations.
@@kidsperspectivefamilytrave9184 I'd also stay away from Thailand at the moment. Used to be a great country to visit but it's well on it's way to becoming just another dictatorship now.
Yeah China doesn’t really like us Canadians right now.
Kids' Perspective Family Travel come on how can you end up in prison if you are only traveling? Does anybody really believe this shit?
Why are people always surprised when it is revealed that the function of legal systems actually has nothing to do with justice?
Because they've never had actual dealings with courts. When they do, it's a shock. Thank Hollywood for that.
I don't have experience with China. But I can say to also be wary of Russia for the same reasons. Russia requires that you have a valid visa to exit the country and if for any reason you wind up on someone's bad side (debt, employment/contractual dispute, pissed off someone with connections, etc...), your visa will be invalidated and you are prohibited from leaving the country until you can resolve the reason for your visa being cancelled. Even overstaying your visa by leaving one minute past midnight on your visa expiration date will create a visa issue preventing you from leaving (and your flight/train being delayed is not a valid reason for overstaying). Then to top it off, you as the foreigner can't resolve your own visa issue. Instead your visa sponsor (travel agency for tourist visas, employer for work/business visas) must resolve your visa issue on your behalf.
A lot of Arabian Gulf countries including Saudi Arabia require exit visas. It's a nightmare.
You guys have now become one of my favorite channels! Love the realness and down to earth vibe your guys give. Can't wait for next episode!
Scary story about the Australian gym guy, things like that happened to Taiwanese business men in China in the early days as well, I meant 1980's ,Chinese official made a joint venture with you, provided nothing but some land, eventually they squeeze you out, took all your investment and you could never win in the court. unless you have some very powerful Chinese friend, who can influence the scammer. actually some time the scammer already bribed the judge.
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Yes. I heard of those same stories from my Taiwanese college juniors back in the the late 80s early 90s too.
China = big scam fraud fake scheme ponzi everything.. People to biz to products. Just the commie way.
I'm Canadian and there is a travel advisory for all Canadians to not travel to China. Completely insane what they are doing in China.
@splinkster1 What? Canada is just following orders. It's an extradition treaty with the US and we can not break that agreement. Huawei was arrested in Canada in her multimillion dollar home because she broke international law. Unlike China Canada follows it's laws and doesn't break them and do whatever they want.
@splinkster1 The US is our Ally. We stand with them. Yes they have done horrible things in the past and I condemned it. But Canada had no extradition treaty with any country for the war Crimes that Dick Cheney did. China is influencing Venezuela as well buddy. Russia, China and the US are all trying to influence Venezuela.. This has happened throughout history. It's about power and control. If one side doesn't act the other will. Get over it. IF China breaks international law all the time and never follows any rules. Devalues their currency, causing a huge imbalance in the global markets and housing markets. Handing out loans like candy. Of course you can expect Western powers to stop being pushed over and stand up against a country that doesn't follow any rules by breaking a few of their own.
@splinkster1 And like I said, the US is our Ally. Who is China's Ally? Russia? Iran? Get fucked! HAHAHA China can't do shit. The entire world will come down on them.
WTF is that driving? How the hell can they keep a conversation over that mayhem?
Its heaven for bikers, because EVERYBODY is on a bike lol. People in cars get complacent, all these other bikers are hella aware too
You clearly never been to India.
Driving in a car is hard mode here
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I asked Chinese person about this and all they said was “how do you know the foreigner isn’t lying and signed over the gym without informing the native about the loan?”
Which is a valid point.
But it can be invalidated just by looking at the contract. Which I showed them.
Still didn’t believe the Chinese Business man was in the wrong
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They not let you go bac
Seriously, everybody leave ..
Isn't this a bit contradictory that you guys are saying Chinese court always in favor of Chinese citizens? what's the point of raising the money for him if the whole case is going to the Chinese court. It's just another 8000 yuan wasted.
That's a fair point but at the same time he needs a lawyer of some kind right? Worse case scenario I'm sure someone could come through with some bribe money to a judge or something to get this person out.
@@demonkogure99 It does not work like that, I am telling you. If he could bribe or something, the other party would do more. The best way to do is to raise the attention of the media so that more people will know it. Mostly people in China I believe will stand on the side of justice.
@@roskeyhou5327 iono man... our company had two containers of atlantic mackerel bascially swindeled by a firm there and the authorities wouldn't give us the time of day so... :|
Yes. And not just 8000 yuan, but 8000 dollars!
As an american who lived here for a few years, I agree with you. It'd be pointless. You'd better have the best guanxi in the world. But if he did, he wouldnt be in this problem to begin with. It'd just be wasting money. contact embassy, and find a new way out.
There's a family of 3 on a scooter, all giving C-Milk the stink eye at 16:16
Looking at the boy's face, I'd say he's a typical pampered Vietnamese child (chubby and rude). The father looks like a mid-level government administrative officer. Also, it's illegal now to have more than 2 people on a scooter, so the family is not the most law-abiding citizens. Just my view as a Vietnamese. Pay no heed to them, as there are way more friendly people in Vietnam than those 3.
Maybe they don't like the camera on them
I got stuck at the crossing going out of China back to HK at a Chinese border crossing in Shenzhen back in the mid 80s ( around the time when it become a special economic zone) it was a lot smaller city back then ..
.but I was stuck at the crossing because the border people had not seen a New Zealand passport before and did not know if it was a real country/passport!
Even through it had a large Chinese visa on one the pages.
It took my Chinese wife (a Hong Konger ) around 20 min. of shouting back and forward before they let me through rather reluctantly.
Not sure what would have happened if my wife had not been there and I was alone ..maybe still be there :) :)
It seems China learned from Africa. About two months ago a South African resort owner was jailed (and died in that jail within three days) in Mozambique. His Mozambican partner collaborated with the police because this partner was greedy enough to want everything. Obviously the South African government refused to help.
It is to bad about the bloke and his problems. But also he is not a very savvy businessman You can have all the contracts in the world that say the buyer of the business assumes all debt of the business it makes no difference. He had a loan with a bank. The bank does not care what he does with the business. The fact is he is still obligated for that loan. The buyer may have been a scam artist but, and in China contracts, if not done right are worthless, when he sold the business he should have made himself completely free of all debt against him.
Yes, China is notorious for its' business practices. This is all the more reason to not trust anyone and do everything you can to protect yourself.
@Joe Blow agreed. It's insane that a country abuses human trust to this extent. I guess they desire to be king of the hil....
I really can't understand why anyone would want to live there.
@boshi liu Everything you said is wrong except one thing, Hong Kong is not real China, but slowly becoming, which is sad, because China is such undeveloped society and country.
@boshi liu fuck off, rice boy.
So nice to see you guys in Vietnam. I've had enough of Southern China for a while. Looking forward to see you guys riding in Japan, Thailand, India and elsewhere. And please come here to Norway, with our crowded streets and wild and dangerous traffic I'm sure it'll fit right in to your channel.
@Ebreeze84 and China is a shithole no one likes :) embarassing that time your king had to kneel and sign over Hong Kong. LOL.
This is just as good as your china videos.
You should know before go China
May be needed to watch China uncensored
Since China owns the Australian Govt. he is out of luck on the diplomatic front.
Happy I visited China in the 90’s. Not going back.
Imtada what was it like back then compared to what you’ve seen in videos more recently?
Chris H. Interesting Country. Having travelled through Europe, Africa, and America prior to Chinese visit. Visited Beijing, Shanghai, and Tianjin. The first was how wide the streets were in Beijing by Tiannemen square. Many Chinese rode black bicycles, and snow on ground in December. The air was full of Coal dust. Dirty breathing the air. I actually was sick from the breathing the coal dust. Went to Beijing hospital (no one speak English), the doctors knew exactly what my problem was. Solved it quickly. Two thumbs up for healthcare. The subway system was crazy. When everyone pushes on/off the subway, no one moves. Need duck, push, etc just to get on/off. No order, just chaos. They also sold roasted sweet potato at the subway stations. Cheap and tasty. Not many high rises downtown. No visitors, because of Tiannamen square incident one year earlier. Five star hotels were cheap. Met a few Beijing girls whom were same age (22), and they all seemed young (15 year olds), and naive. They were nice. Went to some old War bunkers for New Years celebration parties. It was good, and my Asian hosts were excellent. Many schools had ping pong boards propped up against the outer wall (similar to America basketball courts. At school), and you can play against yourself, or competition. The China wall was steep, those men/women whom built the China wall would have been in excellent condition. Now I see all the high rises, and vehicles. This didn’t exist 30 years ago. The communist service at restaurants then was not good back then. The food was spicy and hot. Everyone drank tea, and many had these large thermos full of hot water for tea. The pollution looks less than 30 years. However difficult to assess from video. Biggest part congestion of people. There are billions of Asians, in small area. You see why when Asians come to Canada, there is space. Individual space, livable space, clean quality oxygen to breathe, and crystal clear water to drink. Keep up good videos. Thank You PB43
I say bribe a customs agent to leave and never come back.
That would involve ALOT of money for a bribe and if it fails it could even lead to more problems.
Go to a rural area, and bribe a border guard and/or local person doing trade across the border with any of the southeast asian countires instead. Don't go the white collar route with the officials.
Honestly, that's probably the simplest response, considering how corrupt China is.
there's got to be a way to sneak across into Vietnam
That actually might get him out, I hope that's considered as an option
Anyone who is considering visiting or moving or doing business in China needs to watch this and their other recent videos.
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Sounds like ominous times in China. Seems like the government has decided that their domestic economy has achieved enough and now its time to batten down the hatches and devolve back to the bad old days. The same old recurring iterations of opening up and then shutting down again. Sad for the people. Any society that cannot embrace basic business law is doomed to never truly prosper long-term. If contracts can't be trusted, then no business deal can really be trusted.
Yep. They're starting to show their colors BECAUSE of the social credit system and AI/Survelliance is in place to monitor the population. They now have the means to achieve complete control and they since they have some wealth they can keep majority of the population docile.
Anyone else spend half the video watching the gauge on C-Milk's bike go nuts?
I had to watch it for a month
probably made in china.
Guilty, it was hard to focus on the video, because I was so nervous for them in that crazy traffic.
We keep hearing the news about companies moving their tooling, computers and other equipment to China, hire a Chinese factory manager to employee people to produce their product. Only later to learn that the manager pocketed a lot of money, didn't pay the bills and failed to bribe the local gov't and the factory and contents are seized. That seizure includes inventory, tooling and computers. Everything! Now it is tied up in the Chinese courts for 5 years or more. That company goes bankrupt because they have no product and no equipment to make the product. There is no recourse unless the company has funding reserves to start over elsewhere. I keep hearing that Apple has had enough of China is relocating to India. Of course Apple's technology was also stolen.
it's simple they shouldn't be allowed to import anything here
@@ironfistarrival it's a cost they knew beforehand and one they paid as a result of cheap labor. it was always a part of the plan. any company screaming foul play had anticipated that foul play LONG ago. they've made their profits, paid their dues (IP theft) and reinvested into making new technologies they plan to produce elsewhere... it's always been the plan, China wasn't going to be the cheapest labor market forever.
Without a lawyer representing in court, it is guaranteed loss. The law does not favor a person who isn't in court.
Default judgements happen in the USA and other countries. In Mexico, I helped a former girlfriend who's brother and sister inlaw got provisional custody of her child in a trial she was not informed of. She didn't know about the case because he had the court notification sent to himself. I paid a lawyer to represent her. She was a foreigner and her brother was naturalized Mexican. The lawyer got the brother's case suspended with and anti-corruption process called "amparo". That didn't get her son back, but stopped his trial days before he obtained definitive custody. The brother got criminally denounced for child abduction when he moved with her son out of the state illegally. The brother decided to return her son after he and his wife were put on the front page of the newspaper for being denounced (with case number) for child abduction. His employer told him to clean his name or lose his career.
There are anti-corruption measures in Mexico that work. However, you need a lawyer who is a good person.
This was fantastic, I've been considering starting a business in China, and I learned a lot from this about what to be careful of. Any more videos about business starting in China, whether it be a small local thing or a real estate (if that's even possible/a good idea) thing would be really cool!
My friend started a private school in China, and told me that every month he had to entertain the local education minister, watch him get drunk, and sing songs with him and pay for every thing, and also slip him quite a bit of money under the table, and this was just so he would be allowed to continue operating! Remember, my friend was NOT a foreigner, he was CHINESE!
China: Beautiful place, long and deep history, and I'll never go there because of shit like this.
A long and deep history of death
@@TheRealRusDaddy the Dragon
Even worse in Cambodia. A guy had married a Cambodian girl and started a shop in PP. A connected military guy came in one day and looked around and said he would be back for the keys in a couple of days and that the business was his now. They ignored the threat and soon after a hand grenade was tossed into the shop which killed the cambodian grandmother. They split ASAP.
@Shaun G Cambodia is in Asia
I would have took everything I could, buy two plain tickes and set that store on fire.
I've gone through court in South Korea. I told Winston my story when I met him here in the US. It may seem like the west(USA, UK, etc.) is lawyer happy sometimes. But its a stark and scary contrast when you go out and find that many countries do not follow their own laws if they do not feel like it. And being a foreigner there is little you can do.
Ben Ralston live in Korea myself. Haven’t had any problems yet. But I’ve hard friends who were attacked by Koreans be the ones who get in trouble. Even though it was on video. You can’t protect yourself here in Korea. Also have other friends who’s business were ruined by their Korean partners stealing money from companies and basically told by the courts to **** off.
@@hexapuma12 There are many parallels you can draw between the legal systems in many asian countries. I still love Korea and the time I spent there. I have many friends there still. But they have a lack of following the law. I don't know if it's from their culture of shame towards wrongdoing. Which is good and bad. I feel there is less violent crime due to this. But you are also correct in that the law will often side with locals rather than yourself. Korea had an interesting take in that the party with the most damage after an altercation seemed to be the one who got compensation, regardless of wrongdoing. If it was Korean vs Korean for example. As for business dealings, I don't feel it was as bad as China, but still I think the lack of recourse comes from the way their law system is setup. Lawyers are more like fact finders and advocates. They don't really seem to defend a case. I did find their idea of 3 judges to decide a case interesting. But useless when they side with there other government agencies over the letter of the law. Add to that the fact of favors and knowing the right people. And also their ability to threaten you while you are not supposed to show any extreme emotion, to keep calm at all times. It really is quite frustrating and hopeless at times.
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the picture shown at 4:52 says that the Australian dude borrowed 217000 RMB from that Chinese dude with an interest of 1.5% per month. does the Australian not read any Chinese? Or is there not a English version of the contract that he could have show?
Love the commercial! Lol love love love love.🤣🤣🤣 I also donated to John. My heart goes out to the poor fellow. Any one of us could be easily stuck in a situation like that when you're abroad. I also sent the link to a few people that may donate.
Prozzie got out just in time
He's in the real China now.
@mtopper66 There's two Canadians being held in response to the US/Canada holding the Huawei finance director. I think it is one of them.
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He is perfectly safe in Taiwan. Check his channel. He just posted one.
I'm from taiwan and I really enjoy your films about Vietnam. I'm surprised that Taiwan and Vietnam look a bit alike. But the Vietnam streets have a lot of trees, that's really nice. Thinking about visiting Vietnam now.
really? I've always wanted to visit Taiwan. We should team up, in solidarity against historical Chinese oppression and agression against us :)
Had a friend who was a lawyer in this global law firm. He had a branch in Beijing and the shady stuff this law firm did, took a toll on him. He wanted to get out and for months he was attached to this law firm until he closed all his accounts and just packed up and left. To this day they still refuse to let him go.
1 Rule: dont enter china
2 If you are there get the hell out ! As long you still can
I won a court case against a large PVC pipe company in Suzhou
How'd you get that lucky? You must have been connected or the company was so plainly screwing you
Tell us the story.
Took a lot of notary services and had to go to 3 courts in Shanghai.
Basically they created a fake profile about me being some technical wizard and used my photos for years after I was originally told it was a 2 year contract just to be a pretty face on a package.
Total payment was 100k+ in cash in a knapsack.
Took a while for ICBC to count it.
Is Shanghai the friendliest to foreigners?
apparently so. I had to take my case to 3 different courts including on on an island @@brannoninhd2249
The factory owner strutted in to court like he had done nothing wrong and the judge just looked at him and matter of factly told him, that if she had to rule today it would be everything i asked for including a public apology in the Shanghai news papers. He then came to the small town I was living in bringing wine and made an insulting offer to settle, so i asked him face to face what his problem was and why couldn't he see the advantage of settling with a reasonable offer and let's fix the false Technology stuff.
The knuckle head could not make a deal, so I went back to court and came out with the aforementioned knapsack of money. Needless to say, I don't think you'll find my photos associated with them.
tl;dr: Is it worth learning Chinese?
I recently started learning Mandarin, since I really like the language and I find China's culture and history very interesting and I would love to study there in the future. But I have to be honest and say that I'm getting a little put off by the political situation and how it seems like China is closing down more and more. So is it still worth learning Chinese? or would I be better off learning something else?
I'm my experience, if you like the language and you get a sense of accomplishment from learning it that keeps you motivated, go for it. You could be learning Uzbek, but if you like it, you like it.
However, I wouldn't let the current political situation deter you. China is still growing, despite inevitable growing pains (which may keep coming) and I think you'll find plenty of use for it.
Go to Hong Kong or Taiwan.
Its not a bad language to learn but its really over hyped i have been learning many languages but i mostly use them online i found that i use european languages way more even languages like polish are better for what i do but it is still way better than something like dutch or Swedish and if you care about Chinese culture and history and not about european culture and history it will be worth it also it is really hard to learn how to read Chinese i can watch Chinese videos if they don't talk too fast but i can't read anything i have been trying to learn for over a year now.
My cynical answer would be:
I would learn for the simple fact that Chinese are fleeing China as fast as they can... If they can get out, they do!
Those are usually only the very wealthy ones, so it might be useful to be able to talk to them.
My serious answer would be:
You should learn Chinese because EVERY company you know does business with China! Every single company's product is now made in China! Every single company's liaison is Chinese, because they are the only ones that know both languages. Companies might pay a premium for a non-chinese who speaks fluently.
@@bottleofwatero1 Isn't Taiwan likely to get overtaken in the coming 10 years?
Shouldn't the Australian embassy help him out?
@splinkster1 No man ! Embassies should try to help him legally and see
if he was Swindled ...
Embassy won't do anything. They only good at getting you emergency travel documents. Hire a lawyer is the only advice they give.
@@mickfitz76 - Then they are pretty much useless. The only thing I can think of is to get his case on the news in Australia to 'encourage' them to get involved. They could cover the cost and then bill the guy later.
Embassies don't help you if you get into legal trouble in a foreign country. They won't interfere. Many an American has found that out the hard way.
The aus guy in china is only likely to be helped financially by friends/ relatives, previous employers etc
I have not been seeing your videos pop up in suggested.. and to be honest I've been distracted with things closer to home lately... Good to see you guys are still making videos!
Good going guys, the journey is just begun, thank you..
John is a good guy, he is a personal friend of mine. He got a real rough deal. help him if you can.
I read the description on John Graham GoGetFunding page, but it actually contradicts what you guys are saying. He says that the judicial system is actually really fair but he wants to stop the scammer from being able to do this in the future.
should he be saying the China legal system is corrupt, then go before them for a positive verdict?
Man, well done for keeping the commentary going with that traffic!
You can pay money to a guys that will smuggle you from Xinjiang to Kazakhstan or Russia. Why would you spend 8000$ for a case that he will potentially lose?
Vassiliy, I would be willing to contribute to help him escape, there is no way I would donate money for a Chinese political science experiment.
He will lose it you cannot even beat the US govt in court so no chance of beating the Chinese govt who would kill you off if you had any chance of winning.
Just last week, i got stopped leaving Vietnam. I was in a smaller town up north and they said i had to get to the immigration office way down south in Saigon. Long story short i ended up spending another two weeks in Vietnam because i missed renewing my previous visa by 1 day as the entry stamp was mis-stamped from 30 days to 28 days. Had to pay equivalent $500 to the immigration guy to get an new exit stamp. Asked him for a receipt, he laughed. Said i would get a receipt for the $10 stamp in passport though!! Had to buy all new plane tickets ($900), hotels, food, traspo...($300).
Please keep us updated about this case
will do
C-Milk: ... first time in history where it's bad to be a Canadian
Winston: I know, it's weird *eh?*
I feel for the guy but as you said in the video Westerners just don't win in Chinese courts so it seems futile to help pay for his lawyer. It's throwing money away.
This channel has talked me out of ever visiting China 👍