Just purchased a TSO and shot it for the 1st time yesterday. AMAZING pistol.This CZ #5. P01, 97B, SP01 Phantom and a P10S round out the CZ line up. All of them are a pleasure to shoot and extremely reliable. If you have never shot a CZ, do yourself a favor and try them.
One of the very few Utube pistol review videos that was actually informative comparison. I've been back and forth between both CZ models and several other companies now offering out-of-box competitive pistols for my next purchase compared to my normal expensive $2500 custom build to obtain an adequate competitive platform. I'm old school competitive shooter since the mid 80s and love the fact firearm industries finally started to offer custom builds. Until the last few years I have waited several months and 1000s of dollars for super match barrels and bore alignment builds to simply mount suppressors on pistols, rifles, and NFA registered machine guns. Back in the day I spent crazy money on high-end gunsmiths across the US to customize my competitive firearms, but now life as a fanatical gun nut has become as simple as finding the right information. I did notice your trigger pull test technique a little inconsistence with pull methods. You had a slight angle of pull 2nd attempt to last and you engaged very bottom of trigger. First attempt you test pulled horizontal level with pistol frame resulting 1.5lbs. and all other attempts producing 2+lbs. with slight downward angle pulls, which does not simulate finger direction travel also engaging most often center of trigger leg length. Use Trigger Gauge pull rod horizontal level with pistol frame method and try different areas of trigger leg length to calculate average of high, middle, and low trigger engagements. Width of the human finger actually engages the majority of curved triggers normally straight horizontal level pull with pistol frames. Overall good video comparison, Thanks.
Went down to my LGS that said they had the TSO. However, on arrival it was actually a SP-01 Shadow Orange and about $400 more than the TSO. I held off and am looking for some more info or a comparison on those. Thanks for this informative vid! --all your vids are top notch
The CZ Orange Tactical Sport is the most accurate pistol I’ve ever shot in my entire life and I’ve been shooting competitions for 30 years...The Shadow 2 is No slouch however.....either one and u are guaranteed a very, very fine pistol
As a lefty, it's depressing seeing really nice guns that scream "RIGHT HANDED ONLY!" The Shadow 2 seems a little more forgiving for us southpaws, however.
indeed. lefty too with shadow 2, im having troubles finding the extended safety for the right side. it came with extended one for the left side like in the video. wish they included both sides.
Thanks again Big Johnson. I took your advice and bought a 1441 Curve for my CZ 75B which incidentally I think is a better model than the shadow. Least in my hand.
Thanks for the great video Keep it up! Do you think the accuracy could be comparable if the Shadow had the same trigger characteristics as the TS? And do the have a similar felt recoil?
The safety on CZ Orange is heavier when you pull it up because in open devision you do not use a double action trigger and you need to have your gun on safe when you are holstered. When you are ready to shoot the safety is disengaged and while shooting you do not want to bump up your safety and lock your pistole in the middle of the stage, that is why it is harder to engage safety than to disengage it. CZ's are the best competition ready pistols on the market!!
@@BigJohnsonGG You can actually take an S2 safety and put it on the TSO. I had to do it with my Czechmate (which is a TSO Frame) because the stock safety was TOO easy to move and it kept getting bumped during recoil or quick draws and would be engaged.
Nice review! I had owned both. Both great guns! One thing I prefer about the S2 is the weight in the front of the pistol. I feel it helps tremendously.
I love my shadow tac 2, I own about 10 firearms now there are days when I go off-roading and just take my tac 2 and a couple hundred rounds to plink around with such a nice pistol! Have had my eye on the TSO for some time now... 👍🏽
I've always thought they had the cz names messed up on the TS lineup. Tactical should the the shadow. Since it has a DA/SA trigger and a tacrail. Never considered the TS tactical at all lol. Am I wrong? They should have named it the competition model etc. And the shadow as the tactical imo.
2 things that I think need to be clearer in this video. I have both of these pistols also and love them both : 1. The TS is considerable larger in the grip than the Shadow2. They do not even feel like the same brand of pistol. 2. The SHadow2 is not IDPA legal. I actually shoot a older Shadow in IDPA. I wish I could shoot the Shadow2!!!!
Oh my God, yes! I held them both yesterday and the 75 just felt too large for my small hands. But the shadow 2 seemed like perfect fit. Im really tempted to get one now.
badbilly429 I probably can use the orange, this is an IDPA ish club rules. But with the Orange I need an open holster because of the kick stand. I may run it one day. TFW BB, Carry On!
Its more important for him to put the puller consistently on the same spot, at the bottom of the trigger. You will always get different readings when you're putting the puller all over different positions of the trigger; because it has more leverage, the further down the trigger you are. People need to understand this when you're shooting long range rifles too; pull the trigger from the very bottom to get maximum leverage, the least weight of pull and keep it the most consistent.
Thank you for your review. When comparing the CZ Shadow 2 to the CZ TS Orange, is there any difference in the frame, more specific beaver tail and trigger guard undercut? In other words, can you grip the S2 as high as the TS?
Yes you can grip them both high. The grip size is a tad wider with stock grips on the TSO. You should ✔️out my Instagram, I have 3 S2’s 2 are optic ready & the TSO has an optic as well. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
I'd like to see a comparison video of all of the competition models offered by CZ. I have the Shadow 2 SA and can't decide what I want next between the Shadow 2 Orange, TSO, Accushadow, A01,etc. I love watching your channel, they're really informative. Keep up the good work.
Both great guns, but completely different triggers (DA/SA vs SAO) and usages. It all depends on what you’re using them for and if it’s competition, which division you’re shooting determines which you can use.
Love the TSO. Hoping to pick one up fairly soon. Quick question ?? I haven't held one yet. How much thicker (if any) is it than the Shadow 2? That's the one thing I love about the S2 is it's thin and fits my bad had really well. Thanks!!
+SevenTv 7 TSO I haven't measured it but they almost feel about the same to me. Maybe a tad thicker? I'll try to measure them for you when I get back in town & let you know. What part of TX are you In? Im in N Dallas Area! TFW Carry On!
Big J the p320 drop discharge is no joke ! My friends and I at fmj did our own drop test this am . The results where not good ( brand new out of the box ) it discharged several times .Alex called the sig rep told him to come pick up his inventory asap . Now to cover his ass he is contacting all folks he sold them to . Wow what a mess ! We never liked this gun from get go . Be careful if you own one , and just think they sig just won that big government contact . Scary stuff brother! Be safe K
I just bought a TS2 a couple weeks ago, and I've had a Shadow 2 for about the last seven months. I used the S2 at matches last year and it's awesome, but I found a good deal on a TS2, and I loved the trigger from dry firing one, so I figured I might as well just buy that instead of upgrading my S2. I've put about 5k rounds through my S2 but since I got my TS2, it's the only gun I've shot. I absolutely love my TS2. I only paid a hundred bucks more for it than my S2, but it feels like the barrel to bushing, barrel to slide, and slide to frame fitment are all way tighter on my TS2 than S2, and it seems more accurate too. At ten yards and under, it just shoots right where I'm aiming. It's awesome, and I can't wait to use it at matches!!!
@@BigJohnsonGG Have you seen that they are planning on selling the racing green version of the TS2 here in the United States? It has a frame mounted thumb rest, a green paddle mag release, green grip panels, and green mag base plates. The thumb rest is the main attraction for me. I can install the paddle mag release myself. I held and dry fired both the TSO and TS2, but they wanted $1900 for the TSO and $1750 for the TS2, and I had seen it advertised at Vance Outdoor for like $1530. I liked how the shape of the trigger guard and the slide profile were so similar between the TS2 and the Shadow 2 that I've been using. Then, after I found a local shop that offered to order one for me for $1430, I couldn't pass up that deal! I rented a Staccato P 2011 about a month and a half ago. It was really nice, and I liked how the bull barrel reduced the felt recoil, but it seems like my TS2 is better than the Stacatto! I'll have to try the Stacatto again, head to head with my TS2, but I think I prefer the TS2. My ultimate goal is to get a CZ Czechmate, and do USPSA Open Major Power factor and load my own ammo. It would be awesome if I could get sponsored, but I know that's a long shot.
Come in late to this but CZ Custom has an extended safety that you don't flip up or down. You just roll you thumb forward to turn off or roll back to turn on.
So which gun do you prefer? I saw that you made a more recent video saying that the only thing better than a shadow 2 is another shadow 2. In my opinion, the shadow 2 looks nicer, has a front serrations, a picatinny rail and seems safer to carry. I never had a double action gun. I have money for both. Which one should I get? If I get a TSO I would change the grip handel to black. And isn't a metal trigger better?
@@BigJohnsonGG Thank you. That is the answer I was looking for. The TSO only seems better because of a 20 round mag and SA but on the other hand, it is bigger, heavier, has no rail and serrations. That metal trigger on the Shadow 2 looks nice, kind of like a cowboy gun, while the TSO looks like a cannon.
@@BigJohnsonGG I watched your vid on the only thing better than a S2 is another S2. So you have 3 S2s and 1 TSO and prefer the S2 for competion although the SA and crazy light trigger on the TSO? I am not to the mods yet. I have only been three times to the range so far with my Canik TP9 SA, which I like but find the trigger kind of mushy. The next guns I plan to buy are the Cz P-10s, P-10f, TSO or S2. Good choice? In my country SIGs P226 made in Europe are popular but are super expensive.
So the Shadow 2 is IDPA legal in the USA, but the optic ready Shadow 2 is not Production optic legal because of the weight? That is just messed up. In Canada I can’t shoot an iron sighted Shadow 2 because it’s over the weight limit for IDPA. It’s time everyone standardizes. You guys should be allowed to shoot the CZUB OR Shadow 2 in the PO Division which is Carry Optics I guess, right? Which also doesn’t make sense because Carry Optics should be IDPA, not IPSC/USPSA.
I just got the Shadow 2 Orange. Supposedly it has tighter grouping and shorter trigger pull. Not sure about the poundage of pull. Wonder how the new Shadow 2 Orange stacks up against the A01 and TSO
Do they make a left handed safety and left handed magazine release. I should just switch to right handed because it is my dominant eye. it just feels odd hooting right handed.
I'm a lefty and right eye dominant. It's not a big deal. Line the sights up and go bang. As far as manipulating all of the right handed stuff using your left hand, it's not that hard to learn. It is, however, the reason I carry a VP9. It's truly ambi.
Changed recoil spring to 11 lb, and put moly lube on hammer and sear. Trigger pull is consistently 1 lb 2 oz. Pull to the wall and it breaks at 1/2 lb. I love it.
Yep, I shot the S2 in Outlaw. Now I have 3 S2’s and they are trimmed of weight & milled for red dots & I shot them in USPSA carry optics. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
When measuring trigger pull make sure you're pulling the trigger perpendicular to the trigger. These readings were done off angle and erroneous. Esp the TSO.
At this club It’s IDPA ish rules! Actually one of the guys also shoots reg IDPA and he cut the beaver tail off the S2, lighter grips, baseplates & he makes weight. TFW Carry On
Enjoyed your review thanks, BUT Please pull straight back on the trigger pull test and have the device in the middle of the trigger! You are pulling at all angles giving weird readings, and the device is on parts of the trigger that is not natural for you finger to be
I am confused. I just got what I thought was a CZ Shadow 2. Box and paperwork say it is so. However the grip is orange just like the tactical. It say CZ 75 on the slide yet it is DA/SA. The magazine is normal
Big Johnson Guns and Gear ok makes sense. I was actually borrowing the gun from a friend as my Beretta went to Wilson for some work. I just found out he bought it used on gunbroker. So it is tricked out orange or they just changed the grips. Beautiful gun. How was the orange model tricked out?
The previous owner may have kept them? Look a shadow 2 orange up & compare what yours has to what it says come on them. Someone also could have just put orange grips on it? Hard to know without seeing it? Carry on
Big Johnson Guns and Gear I've always had an affinity for the CZ75 design, they can definitely be carried concealed given the proper holster and atire ;-)
if you pull from the bottom of the trigger curve you will get a lighter pull. It would be more accurate if you measured it from the middle of the trigger.
Man I've been stuck on sig so long but the other day I got my hands on a steel frame cz.......btw, I'm changing everything over to steel frame cz's.....
You would think so, but I have never experienced that with either pistol while shooting or even while carrying the shadow 2 in an IWB holster for the last year. The mag release on both these guns are easy to access and manipulate yet they provide enough tension that your not going to accidentally depress either one easily.
I hate that we up here in Canada can only have 10 rounds in our hand guns. And i love the cz shadow 2 but i find the trigger way too sensitive for my tastes.
Personally think the shadow 2 is the sexiest gun out there and the TSO is butt ugly. Kinda strange for such similar guns, but I guess that is why you can find TSO anywhere but black shadow is impossible to find.
Eric Talenfeld buy one online/gunbroker and have it shipped to your local gun store or FFL. They are on gunbroker I’ll guarantee it. Everyday folks buy Shadow 2s and gun stores carry them for that reason. The TSO isn’t going to be in just any store because they have a much smaller market of competition and enthusiast shooters and production isn’t as plentiful as the Shadow 2. (Just looked it up and they are on gunbroker)
Halfdollar 86 I know I can do that, but since I haven’t had my hands on one and I know the grip is a little larger than the shadow 2 I wanted to feel one before committing to the purchase since I have smaller sized hands. I guess I can always resell before firing if it is not exactly what I am expecting it to be. I’m just a hands on kind of guy for guns I haven’t handled.
Big Johnson Guns and Gear i think the rules changed and the weight went up. I only do 3 gun right now but i want to get into some idpa i want to make sure i can shoot ssp for what i get since my glock is alredy an esp
+joseph danao Cool, I would look up the rules to be for sure. Someone said there to long so some guys grind off the beaver tail to be under the length. TWF Carry On
Xcalibur is also piece of cheap light plastic, Shadow is solid piece of steel and overall has the Xcalibur beat in performance. Oh and Shadow 2 trigger can be tuned to be better than any other DA/SA gun out there, only way to beat it is to go SAO :)
Asghaad xcalibur is anything but cheap plastic. For out of the box it has best sa/da trigger. Of course you can tune Cz trigger. But I'm talking about stock factory guns.
i own SHadow 2 and i had X-calibur in my hands and shot it, the two arent comparable mainly due the weight difference between them. X-calibur is polymer frame and is at nearly HALF of the weight of the Shadow (even with its oversized bull barrel) which has massive impact on felt recoil. Also the Shadow has much better ergonomics. and i didnt find plastic trigger of Xcal that groundbreaking either, i would have to borrow it again to make the real comparison but even if its better than stock Shadow 2 it would have to be miniscule difference and i would still prefer the polished slick and just about right curved trigger of the CZ over Xcalibur.
Asghaad i had a Shadow Target and switched to GP. You can see video on my channel where I compare both and decided to go with GP . CZ is a great gun , just felt better with GP
Just purchased a TSO and shot it for the 1st time yesterday. AMAZING pistol.This CZ #5. P01, 97B, SP01 Phantom and a P10S round out the CZ line up. All of them are a pleasure to shoot and extremely reliable. If you have never shot a CZ, do yourself a favor and try them.
One of the very few Utube pistol review videos that was actually informative comparison.
I've been back and forth between both CZ models and several other companies now offering out-of-box competitive pistols for my next purchase compared to my normal expensive $2500 custom build to obtain an adequate competitive platform. I'm old school competitive shooter since the mid 80s and love the fact firearm industries finally started to offer custom builds. Until the last few years I have waited several months and 1000s of dollars for super match barrels and bore alignment builds to simply mount suppressors on pistols, rifles, and NFA registered machine guns.
Back in the day I spent crazy money on high-end gunsmiths across the US to customize my competitive firearms, but now life as a fanatical gun nut has become as simple as finding the right information.
I did notice your trigger pull test technique a little inconsistence with pull methods. You had a slight angle of pull 2nd attempt to last and you engaged very bottom of trigger.
First attempt you test pulled horizontal level with pistol frame resulting 1.5lbs. and all other attempts producing 2+lbs. with slight downward angle pulls, which does not simulate finger direction travel also engaging most often center of trigger leg length. Use Trigger Gauge pull rod horizontal level with pistol frame method and try different areas of trigger leg length to calculate average of high, middle, and low trigger engagements.
Width of the human finger actually engages the majority of curved triggers normally straight horizontal level pull with pistol frames.
Overall good video comparison, Thanks.
+Steel Shrapnel Thanks for watching, Carry On
I have a Shadow 2 and I love it so far! I've only had it a couple weeks, but I've improved so much in the steel matches since I got my CZ!
Good deal, they are awesome for sure! #czlife Indeed, TFW Carry On
Love my Shadow 2, and because of this video the Orange is on my list of must haves. Cool video!
Thanks Brother, I appreciate ya! Carry on
Me too I just bought the shadow 2 blue..... and about to go get the cz sport orange they are both beautiful guns
Two phenomenal handguns
Currently waiting on my TSO and CZC SDP. Gonna be a good week.
Good deal, TFW Carry On
Went down to my LGS that said they had the TSO. However, on arrival it was actually a SP-01 Shadow Orange and about $400 more than the TSO. I held off and am looking for some more info or a comparison on those. Thanks for this informative vid! --all your vids are top notch
Thanks Brother, TFW Carry On
I just grabbed a accushadow 2. And love it! Whats the difference from a tso?
The CZ Orange Tactical Sport is the most accurate pistol I’ve ever shot in my entire life and I’ve been shooting competitions for 30 years...The Shadow 2 is No slouch however.....either one and u are guaranteed a very, very fine pistol
There both Awesome Indeed, TFW Carry On
Which one got the most slim / narrow grip?
Both about these same with the stock grips. I change all mine to lokgrips, Carry On
Big Johnson Guns and Gear what do you mean by “carry on” how it makes the handle of the gun more slim?
Apparently you don’t watch many of my videos? I say that to everyone in my videos, Carry On from me means Carry a Gun On you at all times. Carry on
I need a Shadow2 in my life..
+Devildog Minuteman S2 are great pistols for sure! TFW Brother, Carry On
CZ 75 SAO Rocks, the more it's shot the smoother it gets. But oh my, the CZ 75 Bull Shadow is precise, like a Swiss watch...
I'll be picking up my TSO tomorrow. Can't wait!
Sweet Congrats! Thanks for Watching, Carry On
As a lefty, it's depressing seeing really nice guns that scream "RIGHT HANDED ONLY!"
The Shadow 2 seems a little more forgiving for us southpaws, however.
indeed. lefty too with shadow 2, im having troubles finding the extended safety for the right side. it came with extended one for the left side like in the video. wish they included both sides.
Yes me too, that’s why I want a Target 2
Damn fine looking CZs you got there Big J!
KSGunGuy 01 Thanks KS, I appreciate ya. Carry On!
I need a TS Orange! Its a shame that they’re the cost of a Bren 805!
I giggled as soon as you said "Big Johnson coming..." I'm perpetually juvenile
Gun must be stationary for accurate trigger measure, use a vise, clamp etc. great vid! Amazing guns
Thanks for Watching, Carry On
I'd like to have a shadow for sure.
+TRprepper You want me to keep an eye out for one for ya? TFW Carry On!
Thanks again Big Johnson. I took your advice and bought a 1441 Curve for my CZ 75B which incidentally I think is a better model than the shadow. Least in my hand.
R Sjr So glad to hear Brother, I had tried to answer your other comments & they never would come thru? Enjoy it & TFW Carry On!
Thanks for the great video
Keep it up!
Do you think the accuracy could be comparable if the Shadow had the same trigger characteristics as the TS?
And do the have a similar felt recoil?
+Kevin Wolke there both accurate for me, recoil is very minimal on both! TFW Carry On
The safety on CZ Orange is heavier when you pull it up because in open devision you do not use a double action trigger and you need to have your gun on safe when you are holstered. When you are ready to shoot the safety is disengaged and while shooting you do not want to bump up your safety and lock your pistole in the middle of the stage, that is why it is harder to engage safety than to disengage it.
CZ's are the best competition ready pistols on the market!!
I have other buddies & there’s just flip up & down with one thumb..not mine! TFW Carry On
@@BigJohnsonGG You can actually take an S2 safety and put it on the TSO. I had to do it with my Czechmate (which is a TSO Frame) because the stock safety was TOO easy to move and it kept getting bumped during recoil or quick draws and would be engaged.
Yeah I knew that & May put one in it. TFW Carry On
Nice review! I had owned both. Both great guns! One thing I prefer about the S2 is the weight in the front of the pistol. I feel it helps tremendously.
+Jacob Chow Yes Sir, TFW Carry On
Good comparison of the two. I was disappointed, however, that you did not demo their trigger resets. How do they compare?
They are both short resets, however the TSO sort reset is one of the best out there. I have other vids on these as well, TFW Carry On
I love my shadow tac 2, I own about 10 firearms now there are days when I go off-roading and just take my tac 2 and a couple hundred rounds to plink around with such a nice pistol! Have had my eye on the TSO for some time now... 👍🏽
+Van HellChenyo TFW Brother, Carry On
I've always thought they had the cz names messed up on the TS lineup. Tactical should the the shadow. Since it has a DA/SA trigger and a tacrail. Never considered the TS tactical at all lol. Am I wrong? They should have named it the competition model etc. And the shadow as the tactical imo.
Very nice. Those slides seem so smooth. I think the green is my favorite though.
+Aaron Neumeyer Thanks Brother, it is a nice pistol! I appreciate ya, Carry On!
Enjoyed the video brother . Have you done a shooting video with them ?
Thanks, Yes it’s in the library somewhere.
2 things that I think need to be clearer in this video. I have both of these pistols also and love them both :
1. The TS is considerable larger in the grip than the Shadow2. They do not even feel like the same brand of pistol.
2. The SHadow2 is not IDPA legal. I actually shoot a older Shadow in IDPA. I wish I could shoot the Shadow2!!!!
+Stephen Trindall TFW Carry On!
It’s already been done a guy I shoot with cut the beaver tail off of his & lighter grips & baseplate & made the weight easy! TFW Carry On
I will see what I can do, yes Indeed! Carry on
Oh my God, yes! I held them both yesterday and the 75 just felt too large for my small hands. But the shadow 2 seemed like perfect fit. Im really tempted to get one now.
Just do it! TFW Carry On
Both are great. Looking forward to get to getting a metal framed CZ to go along with the P-09.
+Silent Bob Yes Sir, TFW Carry On!
great comparison, in your idpa are both of those pistols in the same class ? I know the kickstand will put you in a diff classs
badbilly429 I probably can use the orange, this is an IDPA ish club rules. But with the Orange I need an open holster because of the kick stand. I may run it one day. TFW BB, Carry On!
Couple of sweet looking guns!
Rich4150 Thanks Rich, #CZLIFE Carry On!
Can't do a trigger guage while holding pistol. Put it on the bench and hold it down while using other hand to operate the gauge, please. Good video!
Its more important for him to put the puller consistently on the same spot, at the bottom of the trigger. You will always get different readings when you're putting the puller all over different positions of the trigger; because it has more leverage, the further down the trigger you are. People need to understand this when you're shooting long range rifles too; pull the trigger from the very bottom to get maximum leverage, the least weight of pull and keep it the most consistent.
Thank you for your review. When comparing the CZ Shadow 2 to the CZ TS Orange, is there any difference in the frame, more specific beaver tail and trigger guard undercut? In other words, can you grip the S2 as high as the TS?
Yes you can grip them both high. The grip size is a tad wider with stock grips on the TSO. You should ✔️out my Instagram, I have 3 S2’s 2 are optic ready & the TSO has an optic as well. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
finally someone made this video,i really want to know which one is the king of CZ
TFW Carry On
i bought a TSO about one year ago,really love it.and i ordered one Shadow 2 at the last day of 2017,should be here on this Saturday
Cool, Congratulations! TFW Carry On
Great video. From my understanding, the Shadow 2 is an IPSC Production Class gun and the TSO is an IPSC Standard Class gun.
Thanks for watching brother, Carry On
Those both look great and I know they must shoot amazingly. Thanks for the eye candy brother!!
fumasterchu12 Thanks FU, I appreciate ya! Carry On!
The orange grips are just a bit more sexy.
Staticjm35 😜 TFW Brother, Carry On!
I'd like to see a comparison video of all of the competition models offered by CZ. I have the Shadow 2 SA and can't decide what I want next between the Shadow 2 Orange, TSO, Accushadow, A01,etc. I love watching your channel, they're really informative. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Brother! Carry on
Both great guns, but completely different triggers (DA/SA vs SAO) and usages. It all depends on what you’re using them for and if it’s competition, which division you’re shooting determines which you can use.
I’m aware of that, but I had a lot of demand to compare them! TFW Carry On
No worries, great guns
Love the TSO. Hoping to pick one up fairly soon.
Quick question ?? I haven't held one yet. How much thicker (if any) is it than the Shadow 2? That's the one thing I love about the S2 is it's thin and fits my bad had really well. Thanks!!
+SevenTv 7 TSO I haven't measured it but they almost feel about the same to me. Maybe a tad thicker? I'll try to measure them for you when I get back in town & let you know. What part of TX are you In? Im in N Dallas Area! TFW Carry On!
Big Johnson Guns and Gear
Really?! I live outside of Seagoville just south east of Dallas off of 175.
+SevenTv 7 I grew up in Kleburg 🤣 small world we ought to meet up sometime & shoot together! I got another TX Brother, that's Awesome! Carry On!
I live about 15 mins on down 175 from Kleberg. It is definitely a small world!
+SevenTv 7 👍🏻 Carry On
Big J the p320 drop discharge is no joke ! My friends and I at fmj did our own drop test this am . The results where not good ( brand new out of the box ) it discharged several times .Alex called the sig rep told him to come pick up his inventory asap . Now to cover his ass he is contacting all folks he sold them to . Wow what a mess ! We never liked this gun from get go . Be careful if you own one , and just think they sig just won that big government contact . Scary stuff brother! Be safe K
+keith kent Thanks Brother, I do own one & carry it all the time! Carry On!
I just bought a TS2 a couple weeks ago, and I've had a Shadow 2 for about the last seven months. I used the S2 at matches last year and it's awesome, but I found a good deal on a TS2, and I loved the trigger from dry firing one, so I figured I might as well just buy that instead of upgrading my S2. I've put about 5k rounds through my S2 but since I got my TS2, it's the only gun I've shot.
I absolutely love my TS2. I only paid a hundred bucks more for it than my S2, but it feels like the barrel to bushing, barrel to slide, and slide to frame fitment are all way tighter on my TS2 than S2, and it seems more accurate too. At ten yards and under, it just shoots right where I'm aiming. It's awesome, and I can't wait to use it at matches!!!
The TS slide is tighter for sure. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
@@BigJohnsonGG Have you seen that they are planning on selling the racing green version of the TS2 here in the United States? It has a frame mounted thumb rest, a green paddle mag release, green grip panels, and green mag base plates. The thumb rest is the main attraction for me. I can install the paddle mag release myself.
I held and dry fired both the TSO and TS2, but they wanted $1900 for the TSO and $1750 for the TS2, and I had seen it advertised at Vance Outdoor for like $1530. I liked how the shape of the trigger guard and the slide profile were so similar between the TS2 and the Shadow 2 that I've been using. Then, after I found a local shop that offered to order one for me for $1430, I couldn't pass up that deal!
I rented a Staccato P 2011 about a month and a half ago. It was really nice, and I liked how the bull barrel reduced the felt recoil, but it seems like my TS2 is better than the Stacatto! I'll have to try the Stacatto again, head to head with my TS2, but I think I prefer the TS2.
My ultimate goal is to get a CZ Czechmate, and do USPSA Open Major Power factor and load my own ammo. It would be awesome if I could get sponsored, but I know that's a long shot.
I put an optic mount with optic where my gas pedal went on my TSO. I’m really loving my Staccato’s & MPA 2011.
You have some nice pistols. Very good job on the reviews...I enjoyed it.
Glocked 17 Thanks my Brother, carry On!
Come in late to this but CZ Custom has an extended safety that you don't flip up or down. You just roll you thumb forward to turn off or roll back to turn on.
Cool, TFW Carry On
I really like the looks of the Shadow 2,...but I don't like the feel of the backstrap. I wish they hadn't done so much of an angle.
They did it so you can get even higher up on the Pistol for a better locked in grip. I prefer it over the On S1 frame, TFW Carry On!
Polish the safety innards. I’ve got a Checzmate and my safety is buttery.
A pair of beauties that I would love to own either as thanks for the info....Good stuff...
+Scott F. Thanks Brother, Carry On!
You mentioned that you used them IDPA but I thought that I read that they’re too heavy. I thought the max weight allowed for IDPA was 43 oz?
They are, This was in outlaw IDPA match’s. TFW Carry On
So which gun do you prefer? I saw that you made a more recent video saying that the only thing better than a shadow 2 is another shadow 2. In my opinion, the shadow 2 looks nicer, has a front serrations, a picatinny rail and seems safer to carry. I never had a double action gun. I have money for both. Which one should I get? If I get a TSO I would change the grip handel to black. And isn't a metal trigger better?
I like them both but out of the 2 the Shadow 2 is best for all around gun. Carry on
@@BigJohnsonGG Thank you. That is the answer I was looking for. The TSO only seems better because of a 20 round mag and SA but on the other hand, it is bigger, heavier, has no rail and serrations. That metal trigger on the Shadow 2 looks nice, kind of like a cowboy gun, while the TSO looks like a cannon.
Patrick Dole I have 3 S2’s now 2 are custom with optics. You should see my newer vids. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
@@BigJohnsonGG I watched your vid on the only thing better than a S2 is another S2. So you have 3 S2s and 1 TSO and prefer the S2 for competion although the SA and crazy light trigger on the TSO? I am not to the mods yet. I have only been three times to the range so far with my Canik TP9 SA, which I like but find the trigger kind of mushy. The next guns I plan to buy are the Cz P-10s, P-10f, TSO or S2. Good choice? In my country SIGs P226 made in Europe are popular but are super expensive.
I just got a smoking deal on a 2011 , but still maybe looking for a shadow 2.
So the Shadow 2 is IDPA legal in the USA, but the optic ready Shadow 2 is not Production optic legal because of the weight? That is just messed up. In Canada I can’t shoot an iron sighted Shadow 2 because it’s over the weight limit for IDPA. It’s time everyone standardizes. You guys should be allowed to shoot the CZUB OR Shadow 2 in the PO Division which is Carry Optics I guess, right? Which also doesn’t make sense because Carry Optics should be IDPA, not IPSC/USPSA.
This was an IDPA Outlaw match so you could shoot what you bring...not an official match. Thanks for Watching! Carry on
Can't find either of these pistols in my area.
They might show up once a year.
✔️ Grabagun TFW Carry On
I just got the Shadow 2 Orange. Supposedly it has tighter grouping and shorter trigger pull. Not sure about the poundage of pull. Wonder how the new Shadow 2 Orange stacks up against the A01 and TSO
Neither of these guns in this video are stock anymore. I have newer vids on them if you want to check them out. Carry on
I wanted to know which one was more accurate...
Depends on the shooter, but I would say TSO. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
Do they make a left handed safety and left handed magazine release. I should just switch to right handed because it is my dominant eye. it just feels odd hooting right handed.
+Brady Szabo no left handed version available. TFW Brother, Carry On
Tilt your head to the side like the rest of the world....
I'm a lefty and right eye dominant. It's not a big deal. Line the sights up and go bang. As far as manipulating all of the right handed stuff using your left hand, it's not that hard to learn. It is, however, the reason I carry a VP9. It's truly ambi.
Very nice thorough reviews. Those are nearing 3 pounds unloaded. Sounds like the trigger pull is pretty good.
Ohio Guns & Deals Thanks & Your right 3.5+ loaded, they do have a nice pull on both! TFW Carry On!
Did you change the trigger on the TSO?or is it 2lbs out of the box?
It’s actually 1.8 out of the box. It’s all stock, TFW Carry On
They are known for being 1.5-1.9 ozs
Changed recoil spring to 11 lb, and put moly lube on hammer and sear. Trigger pull is consistently 1 lb 2 oz. Pull to the wall and it breaks at 1/2 lb. I love it.
Just shot my shadow last week. What an amazing gun. Holy cow is it nice
+Joey Cuz Yes Sir, TFW Carry On!
correct me if im wrong, but are these too heavy to IDPA?
Yep, I shot the S2 in Outlaw. Now I have 3 S2’s and they are trimmed of weight & milled for red dots & I shot them in USPSA carry optics. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
Is the TSO $500 better tho
For a SA & red dot ready/ gas pedal..yes!
But I do love both of my S2’s. TFW Carry On
The trigger pull test should be on the center of the trigger shoe.
I pull from where my finger rest on it. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
Great information thanks for sharing Big Johnson.
+Luke DAWG Thanks LD, I appreciate ya Brother! Carry On!
So jealous! I hope to join the CZMafia this year.
Scott Coile Don't be Brother, we will be glad to have ya! TFW Brother #CZLIFE Carry On!
When measuring trigger pull make sure you're pulling the trigger perpendicular to the trigger. These readings were done off angle and erroneous. Esp the TSO.
Shadow 2 is heavier than the IDPA weight limit, are you sure you shot IDPA? Or maybe it wasn't weighed?
It was an outlaw club match, Carry On
Which one got the more slim-fit grip?
Killer comparison.
The shadow 2 too heavy for idpa rules....
Your club doesn’t weigh guns?
It’s ipsa legal.....
At this club It’s IDPA ish rules! Actually one of the guys also shoots reg IDPA and he cut the beaver tail off the S2, lighter grips, baseplates & he makes weight. TFW Carry On
How would the Shadow 2 compare to the Shadow Orange 2012 ?
Not sure I love the S2, TFW Carry On
Enjoyed your review thanks,
BUT
Please pull straight back on the trigger pull test and have the device in the middle of the trigger!
You are pulling at all angles giving weird readings, and the device is on parts of the trigger that is not natural for you finger to be
TFW Carry On
I am confused. I just got what I thought was a CZ Shadow 2. Box and paperwork say it is so. However the grip is orange just like the tactical. It say CZ 75 on the slide yet it is DA/SA. The magazine is normal
That is the Shadow Orange. It’s like a tricked out shadow but has the orange trim.
Big Johnson Guns and Gear ok makes sense. I was actually borrowing the gun from a friend as my Beretta went to Wilson for some work. I just found out he bought it used on gunbroker. So it is tricked out orange or they just changed the grips. Beautiful gun. How was the orange model tricked out?
The real shadow oranges have orange grips & mag ext & Trigger Kit & some have a barrel bushing. Carry on
Big Johnson Guns and Gear This one does not have orange mag extender
The previous owner may have kept them? Look a shadow 2 orange up & compare what yours has to what it says come on them. Someone also could have just put orange grips on it? Hard to know without seeing it? Carry on
I don’t care 🤷🏻♂️ if it’s loaded or not u can’t shoot me
This to be honest
"BIG JOHNSON COMIN AT CHA!"
Yes Sir, TFW Carry On
@@BigJohnsonGG Thank you for the review sir! Very detail oriented and informative.
Your welcome, TFW Brother! carry on
I am confused , how do you shoot theShadow 2 in IDPA? Isn’t it to heavy?
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It’s was an Unofficial / Outlaw version match.
The CZ SP01 is one of the most accurate semi auto pistols I've ever owned...
+Jared Green Its nice indeed! These have much better triggers so there even better On accuracy! TFW Carry On!
Big Johnson Guns and Gear I've always had an affinity for the CZ75 design, they can definitely be carried concealed given the proper holster and atire ;-)
+Jared Green Yes Sir indeed, carry On!
if you pull from the bottom of the trigger curve you will get a lighter pull. It would be more accurate if you measured it from the middle of the trigger.
I test from where I pull it, Carry On
great review big Johnson hey those are almost as nice as my Glocks!
Pops Quest Thanks Maybe some day, I can work up to those 😜..Not! #CZLIFE Carry On!
Pops Quest lol
😂🤣
Man I've been stuck on sig so long but the other day I got my hands on a steel frame cz.......btw, I'm changing everything over to steel frame cz's.....
There awesome For sure! #CZLIFE Carry On
could these be used as bear guns or field guns?
They are only 9mm but can carry a lot of rounds! TFW Carry On
Another worry is long may release begs to be pressed while shooting
Never has happened with me with either pistol..even under stress in competition! Carry on
You would think so, but I have never experienced that with either pistol while shooting or even while carrying the shadow 2 in an IWB holster for the last year.
The mag release on both these guns are easy to access and manipulate yet they provide enough tension that your not going to accidentally depress either one easily.
I would think, trigger-wise, that the Shadow 2 SAO would be a closer comparison to the TSO than the DA S2. Just sayin.
When I made this vid they didn’t have the SAO S2. Just saying, Carry On
@@BigJohnsonGG Oh, snap. I didn't even pay attention to the date of your vid. Imagine my embarrassment. Carry on.
No worries, it’s all good! These S2’s & TSO aren’t even the same now, I have more current vids of them now! 😉 Carry On
Can't lose with either of those fine pistols
+Keanon Gilliam I don't think so either, TFW Brother. Carry On!
Dear Big Johnson, what about the S2 Orange?
Have 1 that’s customized even a tad better with the bushing, CGW Kit & all plus it’s milled for a DPP. Carry on
@@BigJohnsonGG The Shadow 2 Orange, seems to be the winner. It even has a bigger mag...
I hate that we up here in Canada can only have 10 rounds in our hand guns. And i love the cz shadow 2 but i find the trigger way too sensitive for my tastes.
That does suck, thanks for Watching! Carry on
Very nicely done sir #CZLIFE
Thecrazy Scotsman Thanks Brother, #CZLIFE Carry On!
I want them both, can't wait until the giveaway ! Lol
+Paradox2311 You will be waiting awhile! 😜 TFW Carry On!
Nice very nice. Good info
Isyour6covered® Thanks Rick, I appreciate ya brother. #CZLIFE Carry On!
Great video thanks for the upload, its still very relevant.
Thanks for Watching, Is what still relevant? Carry on
@@BigJohnsonGG comparing these 2 models :) Much appreciated!
Zhanny you may want to ✔️ out my newest video..I think you will like it! Thanks for Watching, Carry On
I just got my cz sp01 tactical, idk exactly what upgrades to do to it, anybody out here can help?
You can do a basic spring kit to lighten up the DA. Thanks for Watching, Carry On
@@BigJohnsonGG thanks, Will do
What's the difference between the TS and TSO?
TSO lower is a Czechmate Frame with kickstand for left thumb or optic bracket & mag well, also Hand fitted & polished. TFW Carry On
I thought the shadow 2 is not IDPA legal... I have an SP01 that I am trying to cajunize for IDPA without the race hammer
+JimSigP226 The club I shoot at its IDPA is Rules! People have shaved the beaver tail to make length & done other thinks to make weight! TFW Carry On
+JimSigP226 IDPA ish rules at the club I shoot at!
Wish the TSO trigger could be swap into a cz p09
Thanks for Watching, Carry On
awesome review thanks a lot
Andy luxembourg Thanks, I appreciate ya! Carry On!
Can't go wrong with either one!😎ty
Abaddon 12 No Sir not at all! TFW Brother, Carry On!
Personally think the shadow 2 is the sexiest gun out there and the TSO is butt ugly. Kinda strange for such similar guns, but I guess that is why you can find TSO anywhere but black shadow is impossible to find.
+Royal Siths Thanks for watching, I like them both. Carry On
I think you got that backwards, with regards to availability anyway. Shadow2's I can find with no issues, The Tactical sport Orange not so much.
Have been looking for a TSO for over a year and have seen 15 shadow 2s in the process
Eric Talenfeld buy one online/gunbroker and have it shipped to your local gun store or FFL. They are on gunbroker I’ll guarantee it. Everyday folks buy Shadow 2s and gun stores carry them for that reason. The TSO isn’t going to be in just any store because they have a much smaller market of competition and enthusiast shooters and production isn’t as plentiful as the Shadow 2. (Just looked it up and they are on gunbroker)
Halfdollar 86 I know I can do that, but since I haven’t had my hands on one and I know the grip is a little larger than the shadow 2 I wanted to feel one before committing to the purchase since I have smaller sized hands. I guess I can always resell before firing if it is not exactly what I am expecting it to be. I’m just a hands on kind of guy for guns I haven’t handled.
Random question but will the TSO slide fit/function on the shadow 2 frame?
Not sure, they are both fitted so I won’t try it. Carry on
does anyone know if the cz 75 ts mags work with a cz75?
No They won’t, Carry w
@@BigJohnsonGG thanks for the reply!
Thanks for the video, good information
Thanks Brother, TFW Carry On
Isn’t the black and blue a 17+1?
You can use the shadow in idpa ssp correct? But you cant use tso in ssp?
+joseph danao The shooting club I go to uses IDPA ish club rules! With by the book IDPA it may to big for the box & weight! TFW Carry On
Big Johnson Guns and Gear i think the rules changed and the weight went up. I only do 3 gun right now but i want to get into some idpa i want to make sure i can shoot ssp for what i get since my glock is alredy an esp
+joseph danao Cool, I would look up the rules to be for sure. Someone said there to long so some guys grind off the beaver tail to be under the length. TWF Carry On
Big Johnson Guns and Gear oooo i see i read ppl modify it. Ok thank you!!
+joseph danao Yes Sir, TFW Carry On
Two very sexy pistols Big J #CZLIFE
THE SCAB UGLY CHANNEL Thanks Scab, I appreciate ya! #CZLIFE Carry On!
Xcalibur,has that Shadow2 trigger beat. :)
+Bald&curious Cool, TFW Carry On!
Xcalibur is also piece of cheap light plastic, Shadow is solid piece of steel and overall has the Xcalibur beat in performance. Oh and Shadow 2 trigger can be tuned to be better than any other DA/SA gun out there, only way to beat it is to go SAO :)
Asghaad xcalibur is anything but cheap plastic. For out of the box it has best sa/da trigger. Of course you can tune Cz trigger. But I'm talking about stock factory guns.
i own SHadow 2 and i had X-calibur in my hands and shot it, the two arent comparable mainly due the weight difference between them.
X-calibur is polymer frame and is at nearly HALF of the weight of the Shadow (even with its oversized bull barrel) which has massive impact on felt recoil. Also the Shadow has much better ergonomics.
and i didnt find plastic trigger of Xcal that groundbreaking either, i would have to borrow it again to make the real comparison but even if its better than stock Shadow 2 it would have to be miniscule difference and i would still prefer the polished slick and just about right curved trigger of the CZ over Xcalibur.
Asghaad i had a Shadow Target and switched to GP. You can see video on my channel where I compare both and decided to go with GP . CZ is a great gun , just felt better with GP
Was gonna get a TSO for $1500. Turned it down. Had no need for it.
Ok, thanks for Watching! Carry on
TSO at Firearms Outlet Canada (FOC) it’s $2,349.95