Big difference in your time taken to shoot with the orange , also the blue shot consistently high giving the impression that it may not be sighted in correctly . The orange is supposedly more accurate out of the box but can’t really agree that this was a accurate comparison between the 2 remembering this is only my opinion for what it’s worth . I have just purchased a blue and look forward to shooting it . Being an average shooter as far as accuracy I am hoping I can improve it a little . Thanks for taking the time to make this video .
I bought a Shadow 2 Blue today, my first legal handgun (I worked & lived in South America). Going to shoot some steels on Friday morning, and IPSC on Saturday & Sunday. Have subbed to your channel.
Thanks for your support and positive comments. Just so you know I am now selling @eemanntech spring kits for the shadow 2. I didn't think I would have to put one in my Orange but the standard one didn't compare to the upgraded one. If you are interested please send me an email at azzatac7@gmail.com with your name and postal address and your order and I will email you an invoice. Because you are a subscriber you are eligible for a 10% discount off RRP or any price you can find online in Australia. Thanks again for the encouraging comment I appreciate it!
Mine shot well, my groupings were better than a Sig and Walther PPQ. But I don't like the top slide. It's not tall enough, not much grooves to help with grip, and it's hard to rack it back. Thank you for making this comparison, especially that there's a huge price difference.
Thanks for your comment Paul O. I found the same with my slide. I put a lighter recoil spring in it (10lbs) and it is heaps better to rack. The price difference makes it not really worth it if you are just shooting IPSC. If you are shooting matches that require you shoot over 50m I think it would be worth it. What discipline are u shooting with yours?
Me pareció que le ponia mas tiempo en apuntar con la naranja que la azul , no digo que son iguales pero no hay tanta diferencia yo tengo una azul con un solo brazo y la posición parado a 25 metros no sale del 9
Very good presentation. This is an objective (scientific) approach. I have found CZ Shadow 2 Blue a good gun, perhaps this summer I can try the Orange as well. CZ pistols are the best value for the money. The craftmanship of these firearms is second to none.
G'day and thanks for the great feedback I appreciate it. I hope you do get to have a go of a S2 orange, but I tell you what the TS2 is a very good pistol especially over 50m. My mate has a TS orange and it is outstanding. I use a Tanfoglio gold match it is also good.
The Blue Bullets truncated 147 gr. Felt recoil is low with 130 PF. Good all around bullet for paper or steel. Enjoying the comparisons with the two models. I believe the Accuracy all comes down to lock up with the barrel and slide and the tolerance with the bushing.
The orange Shadow2 costs $1,000 more than the blue Shadow2. We've tried them both, with 4 different types of ammunition, and haven't noticed any difference in accuracy...
I am not an expert, but there is a significant difference in how long you take to aim between different ammos, and in general it looks like the longer you take to aim, the more accurate are the shots.
Thanks for the feedback Alex. It was not a concious thing I was doing, usually I would take longer because there was something wrong with the sight picture and other times the sight picture was good. I just wanted to make a video for people to see how I went with my 2 guns so it could help them make the choice between the 2. Have you got a CZ?
Thanks for your comment. That's good to here that you are doing so well with your shadow. I will keep your advice in mind. What discipline do you shoot?
Thanks for this comparison video; I've been curious as to what I'm missing with my Shadow 2 (Black). There are not much content out there where shooters actually bench or try to minimize the human element to test a gun's accuracy. I am happy to see you also shoot 10 round groups and then just account for the occasional flyer. My Shadow shoots 125 grain best (Hornady HAP, LOS, or really any decent hollow point). With Power Pistol, 5 shot groups will consistently group (benched) at 1.5 inches at 25 yards (with the occasional 1 inch group), but 115s and 147s are fine too. The Shadow seems to be just a hair less accurate than a comparable 1911 9mm, but that still beats 98% of the other guns out there.
Thanks again for your comments AC. I think my Shadow 2 Blue is only a little bit less accurate than the orange. A comparison like this is hard to do. I aim to do more at some different distances. Honestly you are not missing out on much over 25m. I think 50m is where I will see the most difference. 115 HAP is a really good projectile and works well with all my pistols but they are quite expensive. What discipline do you shoot?
"I am happy to see you also shoot 10 round groups and then just account for the occasional flyer." As a statistician, ignoring the occasional flyer out of a sample of 10 is called … cheating.
That's good grouping mate. I'll have to have another go at groups with mine I don't think the video did not do the shadow blue the proper justice. It is easier to shoot groups with a dot. Thanks for the comment. How did u go on the weekend?
@@azzatac9763 i am just shooting for pleasure. I am doing pistol target shooting (25 yds) with my Canik TP 9 Elite Combat or HK VP 9 (I’ve also shot quite often with a CZ Shadow 2 from a friend and I plan to buy one as well as a 1911), sort of longer range shooting with my Ruger Precision Rifle but also winchesters (not that long range here, though…). I also do CAS. I am based in Europe.
You can't reliably report which pistol has better precision - group size measures precision, not accuracy - without measuring and reporting group sizes including so-called flyers. If you want to report relative accuracies, total up the score for each target, or determine the centroid of each group and measure its distance from the target center.
Hey Voxfan, thanks a bunch for your thoughtful comment - I really appreciate it. The primary goal of the video was to assist those contemplating a Shadow 2 purchase by offering insights into the different options available. While I acknowledge there's room for improvement in the video, it's essential to note that my passion lies in shooting, and this video is an extension of my commitment to helping fellow enthusiasts in Australia delve into the sport. Just to clarify, I don't generate any income from these videos, and that's not the goal, especially given TH-cam's stance on such content. It's all about contributing to the shooting community and aiding anyone I can. Thanks for tuning in, and I hope this sheds more light on the intent behind creating these videos.
I have a CZ Shadow 2 Orange. Love everything about it. Trigger is great right out of the box. I have a small problem. I'm 68 years old and don't have the grip or hand strength I use to have and the CZ Shadow 2 is really hard for me to rack. Any suggestions on what can be done to make it easier to rack? Maybe different springs. I don't know as I am not a firearms tech. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Love your videos!
Gday mate thanks for the kind words. Yes you can change the springs. EemannTech have light recoil springs. I have some in stock if you are in Australia. I have 10, 9 and 8 lbs.
@@azzatac9763 Won't a lighter recoil spring, without changing out your ammo, just cause the slide to smack into the end stop for each shot, increasing felt recoil and potentially increasing wear on the gun? Mind you I'm no gun tech either so I'm happy to be told I'm wrong on this ;)
@chw52 I am 78 years old and a cancer survivor. I have absolutely no feeling or strength left in my hands. I could not rack the slide of my 1911, or my CZ75. So, I have replaced the recoil springs in my handguns with the lightest springs I can buy. And no, it does not hurt the gun at all. In fact, most handguns are over sprung anyway. Glocks especially. A trick I have learned, is, instead of trying to pull the slide back with my left hand, I hold the slide steady, and push the frame forward with my right hand. That seems to be easier.
@@texnorthman @chw52 I am 78 years old and a cancer survivor. I have absolutely no feeling or strength left in my hands. I could not rack the slide of my 1911, or my CZ75. So, I have replaced the recoil springs in my handguns with the lightest springs I can buy. And no, it does not hurt the gun at all. In fact, most handguns are over sprung anyway. Glocks especially.
The technique of using your right hand more than your left is something I teach new Shooters. Because it makes it easier like you said. Hope you have fun this weekend. 👍🏼
Very good videos, I have enjoyed all of them. Have you done a video on the upgrades to the CZ Shadow 2 orange? i.e. springs etc. and the difference it makes?
Gday Wayne funny you say that I filmed that video yesterday. Thanks for the comment and for joining my website. Your support is appreciated. What pistol do you shoot?
@@azzatac9763 I was a member of the Submarine Squadron Pistol Club back in the day, we fired Browning HP 9mm, S&W 38, F1 submachine gun and Styers. Well I have been itching to join a club for awhile, however my better half was always against it. But recently she brought me time on a range and said if I wanted to join a club go for it, get out and enjoy, I think it is just to get rid of me for awhile.. So I am in the process now of joining the Cairns Pistol Club. From my research I am interested in the CZ Shadow 2 orange, which is how I came across your videos. Thanks.
@@azzatac9763 Haven't thought that far ahead for the disciplines. Yes I am ex Navy, 12 years Oberon Class Submarines then Destroyer Escorts. Paid off as a CPO. No I have not heard of AASPA.
I would like to connect with you on a more private platform. Do you have Facebook or send me an email at azzatac7@gmail.com and I would like to dicuss AASPA further and other club options for you up in the North.
Do yourself a favor, install the 10X bushing from Cajun Gunworks on a Shadow 2 Blue and you'll get just as good results if not better than the CZ S2 Orange. The Orange while nice is overpriced and for USPSA/IPSC is not needed, the regular CZ S2 will suffice...
@@azzatac9763 Yes, I have both of them the blue and Orange, tested the Blue with the Cajun 10X bushing and it offers extreme tight groups. Also, when removing the barrel you need to wiggle it out of the slight due to the tight bushing. So the bushing makes the barrel a tad bit more accurate, it's basically accurizing the Blue for $60 USD vs an Accu Bushing of $350 plus labor cost, etc... But for IPSC/USPSA it's not truly needed the Blue is plenty accurate enough... What makes the pistol is the shooter, not the gadgets or aftermarket stuff.... Does it help? Yes, is it needed? That's debatable... But as with any competitive sport you want just as much as every advantage as you can obtain... Best of luck to you... Check out Cajun Gunworks and look for the 10X bushing! You'll thank me laters!
Thanks mate for the detailed reply. I agree with you again, but the aftermarket bushing puts the blue into standard technically, doesn't it? But it doesn't matter because I would just buy blue if I was starting out again.
@@azzatac9763 No it does not! You're simply replacing the stock factory bushing with an aftermarket one to increase accuracy and it's not a noticeable difference. Nobody can tell whether you have an aftermarket bushing or a stock one, unless of course you get your pistol Accurized by CZ customs and that requires a visible bushing, this does not!
Appreciate you making the video and shooting from a rested position to try and remove shooter skill from the equation, although I'd like to note for others that some shooter error did make its way into the video since you're flinching a bit on the trigger squeeze (check out 3:36 when the gun doesn't go off when the hammer drops, you can see the flinch perfectly there). Maybe some more dry fire training (and live fire with some dummy rounds in the mag) might help with this, but let's be real, even the best shooters sometimes flinch when shooting pistols, and it's a really difficult issue to try and eliminate completely. At least for me, I find that some days I don't flinch and can shoot great, and other days I'm flinching and pulling shots without noticing it. Just wanted to mention the issue since it does affect the quality of the results a bit and should be taken into account, but hope this doesn't come off as too nitpicky.
Thanks Stephen for your comment. It's not to nit picky. I did the best with what I had at the time. I am always training and I find training to be the best part of shooting. Where are you from my friend?
Thanks Dan. Which company makes them or where do you get them from? Or do you make them yourself? When I used to shoot lead I liked to size at 357 definitely makes a difference for accuracy.
Sorry brother but some of those groups have nothing to do with the gun or ammo. Both of those CZ are extremely accurate if the shooter is doing everything correctly!
Listen, in-accuracy or accuracy has little to do with the gun, provided both guns are sighted or calibrated properly; and yes the orange might be more accurate for "you" it might not be for others. In the end, it's not the gun itself; ( yes ammo can be a factor) it's the person pulling the trigger.
Thanks Alexander Mar for your comment I agree with you, I have just tried to provide my experience with both the pistols. To be honest sometimes I shoot better with the blue but I still think the orange is the accurate of the two pistols for anyone, mainly because of the barrel to slide fit. What pistol do you shoot?
G'day the OAL changes with different projectiles. My general rule is as long as I can make them and not touch the lans, and also works in the magazine. Difference between match loads and Practice loads is powder my match loads are what ever powder that I am running that is the most accurate and Practice loads are a powder which doesn't group so well. Hope this helps, what powder do you use?
Hey Azza, what are your thoughts on the accuracy of the 2 pistols after shooting them for a few years now? Do you think the orange is worth the extra $1000?
Don't have anything at the moment. Two more painful months to go... Been looking for a pistol that I can shoot bullseye with but also do ipsc with in the future. The shadow seems to fit the bill. The bullseye shooting was why I was wondering about the orange moreso. In reality the blue will outshoot me but there's not much info on the two other than your video and a few threads so didn't want to buy twice and cry twice. I handled a shadow 1 today at a gun shop, theyre a very nice gun so the blue will do id say and can mod the parts I want to then.
The aftermarket barrel bushing increases the accuracy of the Blue to the Same if not better than the orange. The main difference really is the Orange is made by KMR and the blue is not. I would go on used guns and pick up a blue from there and then upgrade from there. When you are ready send me an email and I'll sort out all your upgrade parts. 😉
Thanks Azza, going to buy new but will do. I handled an s1 at the shop the other day and I dont think I need a comp trigger and short reset disc etc to be honest now i've felt how nice the gun is. Maybe in the future I will play around but a bit overkill at the moment. Do you have any dramas posting to WA?
Good, informative comparison video. Clearly, the Shadow 2 Orange performs better at 25m from a prone, supported shooting position but, I'd like to see how you shoot them standing, offhand at 10-15m? I'm running a CZ Custom Shadow Orange SP-01 I got back in 2017 for Steel Challenge matches and have considered switching to the Shadow 2. Now that I've watched this video, it seems like it would be worth upgrading to the Shadow 2 Orange. I don't reload my own ammo but, for factory ammo, my CZ likes Geco, S&B, Winchester White Box NATO, and Magtech 124gr. FMJ. Thanks, mate! Cheers!
Gday mate. Thanks I am glad you got value out of this video. I thought the same my self so I filmed another video of some more range comparisons at different distances with the same ammo. After filming I feel that there is not as much difference as first shown. But the S2O is still more accurate. I think some testing at 50m would really show the difference. Thanks for your comments and look out for my new video. I should get it uploaded in the next couple of days.
True mate. I have a couple things I would do different if I did the video again. The video was just to show what can be done to the pistols and what results I got from it. Now that I have put over 20k through the Shadow 2 orange it is really out performing the Shadow 2 blue. What do you shoot?
@@azzatac9763 You're claiming the factory ammo failed to fire? That's BS. Your tampering with the firing pin is a more logical explanation @1:20. Why did you mess with it to begin with? Here in the states, NO one shoots a pistol lying down...nobody. The fact that you used a sand bag is even more comical.
Have you ever watched Biachi Cup? Action match? There was nothing tampered with the pistol straight out of the box apart from putting lighter springs in it. Armscor ammo over here is not that reliable through CZ of any description. Some won't even chamber. Believe it or not mate that's what happened. Thanks again for your replies and comments.
Gday mate, the orange in this video was straight out of the box and the blue was heavily modified. I have made another video th-cam.com/video/KuOfDog7eUM/w-d-xo.html where both of them have the same grips. In the end I had to put all the same springs in the orange as the blue to get the trigger to feel the same! What do you shoot?
There is a difference, yes. But is it a thousand dollar difference? Not at all. More like a $100 - $200 difference at most. The Shadow 2 Blue is the winner due to performance - to - price ratio.
I prefer the 124 grain projectiles because they preform the best with powder that I have and tested the other projectiles with. I am also a big fan of hollow points.
Wow a foreigner shooting a handgun. I thought you guys were only allowed to shoot 22 rifles and then you had to have some good connections to be allowed that. 🤣🤣🤣
In a match it doesn't make as much of a difference as the comparison. IMO it is 80% in your head when it comes to game day about which Pistol is better. If you think that your Pistol is the best Pistol for you it will be.
G'day Jeff I mainly use Tiger Shark 123 grn hollow points. The orange does have a better slide to frame fit. When u first get an orange u get a tool and you need to use it. I don't need to use it any more. This video is about the orange. th-cam.com/video/bwkbM7Rw144/w-d-xo.html
Gday Blair, the trigger spring kit is from EEMANNTECH, competition spring kit. I have some currently in transit. I am doing 10% discount for subscribers if you are interested?
@@azzatac9763 Thanks mate. Yet to buy a pistol lol. What pull weight does the kit get the trigger down to ? I have Jewell triggers in all my rifles, so I’m spoilt.
Oh lol. Gets it down pretty low but still within regulations for Production. I have not measured mine yet. Main thing is the reset is over half what it was factory.
Hi there, I'm between the s2 and the s2 orange but also considering the ts2 blue. I'll be using it mostly for accuracy shooting standing still and with one hand, target at 25m. I don't mind paying the extra for the s2 orange or ts2 blue but is it really worth it? Btw I'm very new to guns. Thank you!
G'day mate. If you are just using it for accuracy shooting I would go with the TS2 any model. Thanks for your comment and I hope my answer has helped? If you would like more info please ask.
Gday no I am not doing dry fire drill that is live ammo. It is my practice ammo, which is made up of different powder and primer than my competition ammo. I do have a video about CoolFire though, which is a Co2 operated divice that cycles your action. I will post a link for you in another reply. Thanks for your comment.
Off topic but watching a few of your cz videos as a new shooter in Aus... I should get the single action blue over double action? Bit confused why so many for sale are DA maybe I'm missing something in the competition rules
G'day mate. The simple answer is that they are meant to be DA. They have been modified to be single action. To give you some clarity on the the rules. If it is DA it will be able to be shot in Production and Stadard. If it is SA only you can only shoot it in Standard same as a CZ TS2. This is not the preferred Pistol for standard as 2011 chambered in 357 sig is what the top guys are shooting Standard division. Hope this helps mate let me know if you have any other questions? What are you planning on shooting?
@@azzatac9763 great reply thanks, gave me a lot more to research and a few of your other vids helped. There doesnt seem to be active IPSC clubs in Central QLD so im shooting other disciplines with a mix of club guns, but want to have the option and potentially travel to do IPSC in future. So-far DA cz shadow 2 optics ready seems like it might do it all for me for a few years
😐 why in the world would you do an accuracy test with a handgun in the prone.. 🙄 if anything I'd do it in the sitting, but seriously what in the world..
G'day I have always shot my test groups in prone. It is the most stable shooting position. With out using any other equipment. NRA Action Pistol Shooters use the prone position most of the time when they shoot. I use to shoot Action Pistol before I started shooting IPSC. What discipline do you shoot?
Just managed to snap up the Shadow 2 Orange new, couldn't believe my luck, can you tell me if the standard cz 75 magazines fit the orange? Or do I need to get the shadow 2 mags?
I used to be in construction and range Time is what gave me insentive to get up in the morning. I hop you like your shadow mate. Are you going to shoot IPSC? Or another discipline?
Thanks for that, but now I’m concerned. I’ve just bought a S2 blue (get it soon) and I will be appalled if it groups like that at 25 metres. If that’s the best I can get out of it after trying various loads, it’ll be going straight to OZ Guns classifieds.
@@azzatac9763 No IPSC - I’m a paper puncher. Since I posted my comment, I have got my S2 and been to the range a couple of times. My CZ is capable of about four to five centimetre groups at 25 metres, so that’s good enough at this early stage of load development. I really like the trigger and the overall feel of the gun. Mine is a SAO.
G'Day from WA mate ;) I have just purchased a Shadow 2 Orange (still waiting for it to get here...) and am already looking for any possible improvements/accessories I can get. I really like thumb rests TS models have (I imagine it would help with recoil control too), would that make gun illegible for Production Division in IPSC? Also do you use progressive press for reloading and if so what model? thanx for the vid - always wondered how they compared :)
G'day GF First improvement would be to upgrade the springs Check out my product! www.azzatac.com/product-page/eemann-tech-upgrade-kit-for-cz-shadow-2 Link to my store for the spring kit I use. The thumb rest would put the Pistol in standard. But it would help with recoil control, however I use armanov grips to help with that they are also available at my store. Two more things I would do is mags and mag bases and a reduced mag release spring. Unfortunately I don't have mags for sale, but the best ones to get are metgar or tanfoglio and I have bases for both. Thanks for the comment and I hope you get your new Pistol soon! Have you got a Pistol at the moment or is this your first?
@@azzatac9763 Hey mate! Springs are now on the way too! :) What are we doing to mags? Swapping to aftermarket ones? At the moment I own Sig Sauer Mosquito and Tanfoglio Force 99, but am looking to step up and hopefully get into IPSC. Who knows, might discover a true calling?! :)
Hey GF oh awesome! I would swap out the mags to aftermarket if you can. What sort of Tanfoglio mags do you have now? Full metal or do they have the plastic crappy base? IPSC is super enjoyable mate regardless of your skill level!
@@azzatac9763 Just a standard steel with plastic base, but to be honest never had any mag issues! Tanf lacks weight as it is as it has polymer lower and only a steel slide. Barrel is great, all polished up, ramp is shiny as, but recoil is an issue... I shoot 20/20/20 at a local club and during those last speed rounds at 25 meters , you get shotgun-like dispersion XD that was the main reason for going full steel for me. I did wand (badly!) Sig P320 X5 Legion, but they are on the back order for around a year, so Shadow it is! :)
Holy moly. Someone doing a accuracy test on a pistol and actually resting it. refreshing.
Thanks mate. What discipline do you shoot? With what Pistol?
The real test would be to remove human error out of the equation & maybe use a bench vise to run the same tests.
Big difference in your time taken to shoot with the orange , also the blue shot consistently high giving the impression that it may not be sighted in correctly . The orange is supposedly more accurate out of the box but can’t really agree that this was a accurate comparison between the 2 remembering this is only my opinion for what it’s worth . I have just purchased a blue and look forward to shooting it . Being an average shooter as far as accuracy I am hoping I can improve it a little . Thanks for taking the time to make this video .
I bought a Shadow 2 Blue today, my first legal handgun (I worked & lived in South America). Going to shoot some steels on Friday morning, and IPSC on Saturday & Sunday. Have subbed to your channel.
Gday James. That's really good news mate and cheers for the sub. So do you still live overseas or are you here in Australia?
@@azzatac9763 I'm back in AUS. GCPC.
Very cool mate. I am at IPC. I'll probably see at the range then.
Great comparison videos picking up my shadow 2 orange Monday keep up the great work
Thanks for your support and positive comments. Just so you know I am now selling @eemanntech spring kits for the shadow 2. I didn't think I would have to put one in my Orange but the standard one didn't compare to the upgraded one. If you are interested please send me an email at azzatac7@gmail.com with your name and postal address and your order and I will email you an invoice. Because you are a subscriber you are eligible for a 10% discount off RRP or any price you can find online in Australia. Thanks again for the encouraging comment I appreciate it!
Mine shot well, my groupings were better than a Sig and Walther PPQ. But I don't like the top slide. It's not tall enough, not much grooves to help with grip, and it's hard to rack it back. Thank you for making this comparison, especially that there's a huge price difference.
Thanks for your comment Paul O. I found the same with my slide. I put a lighter recoil spring in it (10lbs) and it is heaps better to rack. The price difference makes it not really worth it if you are just shooting IPSC. If you are shooting matches that require you shoot over 50m I think it would be worth it. What discipline are u shooting with yours?
Me pareció que le ponia mas tiempo en apuntar con la naranja que la azul , no digo que son iguales pero no hay tanta diferencia yo tengo una azul con un solo brazo y la posición parado a 25 metros no sale del 9
Nice video mate.... I shoot my CZ 75 Tactical Sports... almost stock except different sights.... what a design these 75s :)
Thanks mate. Czshadow2 are awesome the TS are even better, to bad they don't take the same mags. What are you shooting with your TS?
Very good presentation. This is an objective (scientific) approach. I have found CZ Shadow 2 Blue a good gun, perhaps this summer I can try the Orange as well. CZ pistols are the best value for the money. The craftmanship of these firearms is second to none.
G'day and thanks for the great feedback I appreciate it. I hope you do get to have a go of a S2 orange, but I tell you what the TS2 is a very good pistol especially over 50m. My mate has a TS orange and it is outstanding. I use a Tanfoglio gold match it is also good.
Wow glad I found this and a Aussie as well! Hopefullynpick up my shadow 2 soon as soon as I picked one up I just knew I had to have one. Cheers
Thanks for your comment have you picked up your new shadow yet? Don't forget to check out my online store www.azzatac.com
Oh I love the Tactical sport 40 in Orange with that scrumptious gas pedal,something beautiful about those Orange grips lol...
The custom barrel bushing of the orange seems to give it just a slight edge of the shooter does their part.
The Blue Bullets truncated 147 gr. Felt recoil is low with 130 PF. Good all around bullet for paper or steel.
Enjoying the comparisons with the two models. I believe the Accuracy all comes down to lock up with the barrel and slide and the tolerance with the bushing.
Thanks for the comment and yes it comes down to those couple of things.
Put orange grips on the blue one and it will be accurate.
Thanks for the comment. What pistol do you shoot?
@@azzatac9763 S-500.
Just looked up S 500, Internet comes up with a Russian missile system? So a Smith and wesson 500?
@@azzatac9763 No, Russian ones.
Expensive hobby then?
This is a real test, thank you ! new subscriber here.
The orange Shadow2 costs $1,000 more than the blue Shadow2. We've tried them both, with 4 different types of ammunition, and haven't noticed any difference in accuracy...
I am not an expert, but there is a significant difference in how long you take to aim between different ammos, and in general it looks like the longer you take to aim, the more accurate are the shots.
Thanks for the feedback Alex. It was not a concious thing I was doing, usually I would take longer because there was something wrong with the sight picture and other times the sight picture was good. I just wanted to make a video for people to see how I went with my 2 guns so it could help them make the choice between the 2. Have you got a CZ?
hmmmm... just seeing the barrel bushing on the orange would tell you its more accurate without even firing a shot.
I did think the tolerance would be tighter considering the way it is installed. Still a very accurate pistol though.
Fed 124g lipsticks out of my sti omni.
I put a red dot on my TSO 40s&w for metcil.
Very bad shooting. U need to practice more. I’m making 2 inch group consistently with factory ammo from Shadow blue.
Thanks for your comment. That's good to here that you are doing so well with your shadow. I will keep your advice in mind. What discipline do you shoot?
25 meters standing position with both hands. 124grn Factory ammo
I meant what do you shoot, like IPSC or Service Pistol or do you just shoot and not compete in any competitions?
Thanks for this comparison video; I've been curious as to what I'm missing with my Shadow 2 (Black).
There are not much content out there where shooters actually bench or try to minimize the human element to test a gun's accuracy. I am happy to see you also shoot 10 round groups and then just account for the occasional flyer.
My Shadow shoots 125 grain best (Hornady HAP, LOS, or really any decent hollow point). With Power Pistol, 5 shot groups will consistently group (benched) at 1.5 inches at 25 yards (with the occasional 1 inch group), but 115s and 147s are fine too. The Shadow seems to be just a hair less accurate than a comparable 1911 9mm, but that still beats 98% of the other guns out there.
Thanks again for your comments AC. I think my Shadow 2 Blue is only a little bit less accurate than the orange. A comparison like this is hard to do. I aim to do more at some different distances. Honestly you are not missing out on much over 25m. I think 50m is where I will see the most difference. 115 HAP is a really good projectile and works well with all my pistols but they are quite expensive.
What discipline do you shoot?
"I am happy to see you also shoot 10 round groups and then just account for the occasional flyer."
As a statistician, ignoring the occasional flyer out of a sample of 10 is called … cheating.
125 DR conical. Because I can get plenty of em. And I’ve grouped 1.83” at 20 meters with them.
That's good grouping mate. I'll have to have another go at groups with mine I don't think the video did not do the shadow blue the proper justice. It is easier to shoot groups with a dot. Thanks for the comment. How did u go on the weekend?
Well, for me a true comparison would be between stock pistols direct ou of the box, without changing anything…
Thanks thats what I had at the time, looking back I probably should have returned the blue to stock. What pistol or disipline do you currently shoot?
@@azzatac9763 i am just shooting for pleasure. I am doing pistol target shooting (25 yds) with my Canik TP 9 Elite Combat or HK VP 9 (I’ve also shot quite often with a CZ Shadow 2 from a friend and I plan to buy one as well as a 1911), sort of longer range shooting with my Ruger Precision Rifle but also winchesters (not that long range here, though…). I also do CAS. I am based in Europe.
Awesome mate. I have just recently shot my first NRL22 match and really enjoyed it. What cal RPR do you run? Or long range cal do you use?
@@azzatac9763 Hi. 308 win.
For more consistency, you might try shooting off bags. I routinely get sub 4" groups at 100 yds off bags with my TSO.
Thanks Steven. I think I will try to get a rasom rest for any future accuracy videos. Shooting bags would be good though.
I doubt u are shooting sub 4in. at 100 yards with open sight on tso lmao. Where is video link proving it?
@@Matt-xy6cf exactly
Oh ya, I get sub 2" at 300 yds!
Top that!
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Please do a Steyr L9A2 MF. They have great barrels.
Out of the box which one is most reliable… would trust your life to which pistol ?
G'day mate I would trust shadow 2 blue mate. What discipline do you shoot atm?
Arm chair ,.. discipline. But that’s a honest question
I think the blue shoots better than what I saw,, mine does anyway
The blue shoots well mate. I love shooting my blue and have my Orange as my back up gun. Do you shoot IPSC?
Something's wrong with my vision. Which one is blue again?
You can't reliably report which pistol has better precision - group size measures precision, not accuracy - without measuring and reporting group sizes including so-called flyers.
If you want to report relative accuracies, total up the score for each target, or determine the centroid of each group and measure its distance from the target center.
Hey Voxfan, thanks a bunch for your thoughtful comment - I really appreciate it. The primary goal of the video was to assist those contemplating a Shadow 2 purchase by offering insights into the different options available. While I acknowledge there's room for improvement in the video, it's essential to note that my passion lies in shooting, and this video is an extension of my commitment to helping fellow enthusiasts in Australia delve into the sport. Just to clarify, I don't generate any income from these videos, and that's not the goal, especially given TH-cam's stance on such content. It's all about contributing to the shooting community and aiding anyone I can. Thanks for tuning in, and I hope this sheds more light on the intent behind creating these videos.
I have a CZ Shadow 2 Orange. Love everything about it. Trigger is great right out of the box. I have a small problem. I'm 68 years old and don't have the grip or hand strength I use to have and the CZ Shadow 2 is really hard for me to rack. Any suggestions on what can be done to make it easier to rack? Maybe different springs. I don't know as I am not a firearms tech. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Love your videos!
Gday mate thanks for the kind words. Yes you can change the springs. EemannTech have light recoil springs. I have some in stock if you are in Australia. I have 10, 9 and 8 lbs.
@@azzatac9763 Won't a lighter recoil spring, without changing out your ammo, just cause the slide to smack into the end stop for each shot, increasing felt recoil and potentially increasing wear on the gun? Mind you I'm no gun tech either so I'm happy to be told I'm wrong on this ;)
@chw52
I am 78 years old and a cancer survivor.
I have absolutely no feeling or strength left in my hands.
I could not rack the slide of my 1911, or my CZ75.
So, I have replaced the recoil springs in my handguns with the lightest springs I can buy.
And no, it does not hurt the gun at all.
In fact, most handguns are over sprung anyway.
Glocks especially.
A trick I have learned, is, instead of trying to pull the slide back with my left hand, I hold the slide steady, and push the frame forward with my right hand.
That seems to be easier.
@@texnorthman @chw52
I am 78 years old and a cancer survivor.
I have absolutely no feeling or strength left in my hands.
I could not rack the slide of my 1911, or my CZ75.
So, I have replaced the recoil springs in my handguns with the lightest springs I can buy.
And no, it does not hurt the gun at all.
In fact, most handguns are over sprung anyway.
Glocks especially.
The technique of using your right hand more than your left is something I teach new Shooters. Because it makes it easier like you said. Hope you have fun this weekend. 👍🏼
Very good videos, I have enjoyed all of them. Have you done a video on the upgrades to the CZ Shadow 2 orange? i.e. springs etc. and the difference it makes?
Gday Wayne funny you say that I filmed that video yesterday. Thanks for the comment and for joining my website. Your support is appreciated. What pistol do you shoot?
@@azzatac9763 I was a member of the Submarine Squadron Pistol Club back in the day, we fired Browning HP 9mm, S&W 38, F1 submachine gun and Styers. Well I have been itching to join a club for awhile, however my better half was always against it. But recently she brought me time on a range and said if I wanted to join a club go for it, get out and enjoy, I think it is just to get rid of me for awhile.. So I am in the process now of joining the Cairns Pistol Club. From my research I am interested in the CZ Shadow 2 orange, which is how I came across your videos. Thanks.
That's good to hear. What discipline are you thinking of shooting?
Were you in the Navy back in the day? Have you heard of AASPA?
@@azzatac9763 Haven't thought that far ahead for the disciplines. Yes I am ex Navy, 12 years Oberon Class Submarines then Destroyer Escorts. Paid off as a CPO. No I have not heard of AASPA.
I would like to connect with you on a more private platform. Do you have Facebook or send me an email at azzatac7@gmail.com
and I would like to dicuss AASPA further and other club options for you up in the North.
Do yourself a favor, install the 10X bushing from Cajun Gunworks on a Shadow 2 Blue and you'll get just as good results if not better than the CZ S2 Orange. The Orange while nice is overpriced and for USPSA/IPSC is not needed, the regular CZ S2 will suffice...
Thanks mate I agree. I will have a look into the bushing. Do you have the blue?
@@azzatac9763 Yes, I have both of them the blue and Orange, tested the Blue with the Cajun 10X bushing and it offers extreme tight groups. Also, when removing the barrel you need to wiggle it out of the slight due to the tight bushing. So the bushing makes the barrel a tad bit more accurate, it's basically accurizing the Blue for $60 USD vs an Accu Bushing of $350 plus labor cost, etc... But for IPSC/USPSA it's not truly needed the Blue is plenty accurate enough... What makes the pistol is the shooter, not the gadgets or aftermarket stuff.... Does it help? Yes, is it needed? That's debatable... But as with any competitive sport you want just as much as every advantage as you can obtain... Best of luck to you... Check out Cajun Gunworks and look for the 10X bushing! You'll thank me laters!
Thanks mate for the detailed reply. I agree with you again, but the aftermarket bushing puts the blue into standard technically, doesn't it? But it doesn't matter because I would just buy blue if I was starting out again.
@@azzatac9763 No it does not! You're simply replacing the stock factory bushing with an aftermarket one to increase accuracy and it's not a noticeable difference. Nobody can tell whether you have an aftermarket bushing or a stock one, unless of course you get your pistol Accurized by CZ customs and that requires a visible bushing, this does not!
Thanks for the info. Have ever had any of your pistols accursed by cz custom? Is it better than the orange bushing fit?
Appreciate you making the video and shooting from a rested position to try and remove shooter skill from the equation, although I'd like to note for others that some shooter error did make its way into the video since you're flinching a bit on the trigger squeeze (check out 3:36 when the gun doesn't go off when the hammer drops, you can see the flinch perfectly there). Maybe some more dry fire training (and live fire with some dummy rounds in the mag) might help with this, but let's be real, even the best shooters sometimes flinch when shooting pistols, and it's a really difficult issue to try and eliminate completely. At least for me, I find that some days I don't flinch and can shoot great, and other days I'm flinching and pulling shots without noticing it. Just wanted to mention the issue since it does affect the quality of the results a bit and should be taken into account, but hope this doesn't come off as too nitpicky.
Thanks Stephen for your comment. It's not to nit picky. I did the best with what I had at the time. I am always training and I find training to be the best part of shooting. Where are you from my friend?
What state are you in man? Good to see some more aussies armed
Gday I am in Queensland. How about you? Also what do you shoot?
Try hitek coated 122 flat points sized to 357. My 2 s2 blues would shoot under 2 inches at 25. With a red dot, I suck at irons.
Thanks Dan. Which company makes them or where do you get them from? Or do you make them yourself?
When I used to shoot lead I liked to size at 357 definitely makes a difference for accuracy.
@@azzatac9763 i make my own but im pretty sure blackwidow and susan island have the moulds.
What company makes the mould?
@@azzatac9763 magma engineering.
@Dan M thanks I'll look them up.
Sorry brother but some of those groups have nothing to do with the gun or ammo. Both of those CZ are extremely accurate if the shooter is doing everything correctly!
Thanks for your feedback. I did the best I could with what I had. What pistols do you shoot?
@@azzatac9763 #CZLIFE
Yer just had a look at your channel mate. If I could carry I would carry a CZ.
Also have you seen my latest video? I have put together a more detailed comparison.
100 percent
Listen, in-accuracy or accuracy has little to do with the gun, provided both guns are sighted or calibrated properly; and yes the orange might be more accurate for "you" it might not be for others. In the end, it's not the gun itself; ( yes ammo can be a factor) it's the person pulling the trigger.
Thanks Alexander Mar for your comment I agree with you, I have just tried to provide my experience with both the pistols.
To be honest sometimes I shoot better with the blue but I still think the orange is the accurate of the two pistols for anyone, mainly because of the barrel to slide fit.
What pistol do you shoot?
I shoot the blue. But my friend asked to try his orange. I was shocked by the tighter groupings of the orange.
Would love to know what OAL you use, and what velocities you are shooting. Also, what's the difference between your match and your practice rounds?
G'day the OAL changes with different projectiles. My general rule is as long as I can make them and not touch the lans, and also works in the magazine.
Difference between match loads and Practice loads is powder my match loads are what ever powder that I am running that is the most accurate and Practice loads are a powder which doesn't group so well. Hope this helps, what powder do you use?
Huge difference for me from stock to stock...s2o is much much better imo after thousands of rounds
Agreed. CZS2O feels much better now after over 10k rounds fired through it.
Hey Azza, what are your thoughts on the accuracy of the 2 pistols after shooting them for a few years now? Do you think the orange is worth the extra $1000?
Thanks for your question. I think you are better off spending the 1000 on the normal shadow 2 to be honest. What have you got at the moment?
Don't have anything at the moment. Two more painful months to go... Been looking for a pistol that I can shoot bullseye with but also do ipsc with in the future. The shadow seems to fit the bill. The bullseye shooting was why I was wondering about the orange moreso. In reality the blue will outshoot me but there's not much info on the two other than your video and a few threads so didn't want to buy twice and cry twice. I handled a shadow 1 today at a gun shop, theyre a very nice gun so the blue will do id say and can mod the parts I want to then.
The aftermarket barrel bushing increases the accuracy of the Blue to the Same if not better than the orange. The main difference really is the Orange is made by KMR and the blue is not. I would go on used guns and pick up a blue from there and then upgrade from there.
When you are ready send me an email and I'll sort out all your upgrade parts. 😉
Thanks Azza, going to buy new but will do. I handled an s1 at the shop the other day and I dont think I need a comp trigger and short reset disc etc to be honest now i've felt how nice the gun is. Maybe in the future I will play around but a bit overkill at the moment. Do you have any dramas posting to WA?
Good, informative comparison video. Clearly, the Shadow 2 Orange performs better at 25m from a prone, supported shooting position but, I'd like to see how you shoot them standing, offhand at 10-15m? I'm running a CZ Custom Shadow Orange SP-01 I got back in 2017 for Steel Challenge matches and have considered switching to the Shadow 2. Now that I've watched this video, it seems like it would be worth upgrading to the Shadow 2 Orange. I don't reload my own ammo but, for factory ammo, my CZ likes Geco, S&B, Winchester White Box NATO, and Magtech 124gr. FMJ. Thanks, mate! Cheers!
Gday mate. Thanks I am glad you got value out of this video. I thought the same my self so I filmed another video of some more range comparisons at different distances with the same ammo. After filming I feel that there is not as much difference as first shown. But the S2O is still more accurate. I think some testing at 50m would really show the difference. Thanks for your comments and look out for my new video. I should get it uploaded in the next couple of days.
Factory loads shot a little low out of the box on mine .
Thanks for the comments mate.
Ransom rest them both....
Thanks mate. Will do!
So how are you getting a fair comparison. When both have been modified?
True mate. I have a couple things I would do different if I did the video again. The video was just to show what can be done to the pistols and what results I got from it.
Now that I have put over 20k through the Shadow 2 orange it is really out performing the Shadow 2 blue.
What do you shoot?
@@azzatac9763 I bought the CZ shadow 2 OR a few weeks ago. I can't quit smiling when shooting it! Br safe 👍😁
Nice comparison ! Is you competition-ammo selfloaded ?
Thanks mate. Yes it is hand loaded on my dillion 650. Do you load or do you shoot Factory ammo?
Why is it necessary to have music constantly in the background? Distracting and annoying. See ya!
Thanks for the feedback. Where would u like to hear music?
@@azzatac9763 Here is one of many good examples: th-cam.com/video/SAeokJwVpWE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks heaps mate for the info appreciate it.
@@azzatac9763 You're welcome.
@@azzatac9763 We're here to listen to firearms reviews.
Malfunction, Failure to Fire @ 3:35. What's up with that?
And why are you laying down to shoot off a sand bag? Is that a Euro thing?
Ammo issue not the pistol. Prone is the most stable position to shoot a rifle or pistol. Thanks for your comments. What do you shoot?
@@azzatac9763 You're claiming the factory ammo failed to fire? That's BS. Your tampering with the firing pin is a more logical explanation @1:20. Why did you mess with it to begin with? Here in the states, NO one shoots a pistol lying down...nobody. The fact that you used a sand bag is even more comical.
Have you ever watched Biachi Cup? Action match?
There was nothing tampered with the pistol straight out of the box apart from putting lighter springs in it. Armscor ammo over here is not that reliable through CZ of any description. Some won't even chamber. Believe it or not mate that's what happened. Thanks again for your replies and comments.
i thought its just the grip that make the difference
Gday mate, the orange in this video was straight out of the box and the blue was heavily modified. I have made another video th-cam.com/video/KuOfDog7eUM/w-d-xo.html where both of them have the same grips. In the end I had to put all the same springs in the orange as the blue to get the trigger to feel the same! What do you shoot?
To many variables to make accurate decisions !!
There is a difference, yes. But is it a thousand dollar difference? Not at all. More like a $100 - $200 difference at most. The Shadow 2 Blue is the winner due to performance - to - price ratio.
I agree totally. At the time of buying mine that was the price difference.
@@azzatac9763 Those are some awesome toys you have there Azza!
Thanks mate!
Are you in Australia? I thought civilians couldn’t have guns there
Yes mate. I live in Australia. We can have firearms here, we are heavily restricted on what we can own though.
Orange in .40 sw is a tack driving machine
Yer mate, I wish I could have one here in Australia 🇦🇺. What is the mag cap for .40SW?
Just picked up a shadow 2 orange. Is 124 grain the preferred grain from this gun. Need to get into reloading
I prefer the 124 grain projectiles because they preform the best with powder that I have and tested the other projectiles with. I am also a big fan of hollow points.
Wow a foreigner shooting a handgun. I thought you guys were only allowed to shoot 22 rifles and then you had to have some good connections to be allowed that. 🤣🤣🤣
Yer mate we shoot real guns just not with full capacity mags. Do you shoot ipsc?
Can't believe the blue is so much worse than the orange
In a match it doesn't make as much of a difference as the comparison. IMO it is 80% in your head when it comes to game day about which Pistol is better. If you think that your Pistol is the best Pistol for you it will be.
Mate where are you getting pistol powder from to reload?
Tiger shark Ballistics mate. They the only guys I know of in QLD bringing it in.
Perhaps loading the mags beforehand would make things move a little better
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Thanks for the visit and the comment mate!
where the all 124 g bullets ?does the orange have better slide to frame fit than the blue?is the orange barrel bushing tight enough to need a wrench?
G'day Jeff I mainly use Tiger Shark 123 grn hollow points. The orange does have a better slide to frame fit. When u first get an orange u get a tool and you need to use it. I don't need to use it any more.
This video is about the orange.
th-cam.com/video/bwkbM7Rw144/w-d-xo.html
@@azzatac9763 thanks for the reply. has the gun stayed tight.
What’s the name of the aftermarket trigger you have in the Blue?
What pull weight does it give you?
Gday Blair, the trigger spring kit is from EEMANNTECH, competition spring kit. I have some currently in transit. I am doing 10% discount for subscribers if you are interested?
@@azzatac9763
Thanks mate. Yet to buy a pistol lol.
What pull weight does the kit get the trigger down to ?
I have Jewell triggers in all my rifles, so I’m spoilt.
Oh lol. Gets it down pretty low but still within regulations for Production. I have not measured mine yet. Main thing is the reset is over half what it was factory.
AzzA from DFX?
G'day Lucas I am unsure what if DFX? So I am probably not the person you are thinking?
And no word about bushing barrel? A bit weird, I must say.
The person holding the pistol equals the accuracy, especially between the Blue and Orange.
Hi there, I'm between the s2 and the s2 orange but also considering the ts2 blue. I'll be using it mostly for accuracy shooting standing still and with one hand, target at 25m. I don't mind paying the extra for the s2 orange or ts2 blue but is it really worth it? Btw I'm very new to guns. Thank you!
G'day mate. If you are just using it for accuracy shooting I would go with the TS2 any model.
Thanks for your comment and I hope my answer has helped? If you would like more info please ask.
Hi there. At 6:05 you are showing a dry-fire drill. What were you using that made the action cycle?
Gday no I am not doing dry fire drill that is live ammo. It is my practice ammo, which is made up of different powder and primer than my competition ammo.
I do have a video about CoolFire though, which is a Co2 operated divice that cycles your action. I will post a link for you in another reply. Thanks for your comment.
@Funky Munky here is the link - th-cam.com/video/A2g7RhzVEtM/w-d-xo.html
@@azzatac9763 Awesome. Thanks
@@azzatac9763 Haha. This is the video I was looking for from that clip at 6:05
No worries mate. Happy to help.
Off topic but watching a few of your cz videos as a new shooter in Aus... I should get the single action blue over double action? Bit confused why so many for sale are DA maybe I'm missing something in the competition rules
G'day mate. The simple answer is that they are meant to be DA. They have been modified to be single action.
To give you some clarity on the the rules. If it is DA it will be able to be shot in Production and Stadard. If it is SA only you can only shoot it in Standard same as a CZ TS2. This is not the preferred Pistol for standard as 2011 chambered in 357 sig is what the top guys are shooting Standard division. Hope this helps mate let me know if you have any other questions? What are you planning on shooting?
@@azzatac9763 great reply thanks, gave me a lot more to research and a few of your other vids helped. There doesnt seem to be active IPSC clubs in Central QLD so im shooting other disciplines with a mix of club guns, but want to have the option and potentially travel to do IPSC in future. So-far DA cz shadow 2 optics ready seems like it might do it all for me for a few years
😐 why in the world would you do an accuracy test with a handgun in the prone.. 🙄 if anything I'd do it in the sitting, but seriously what in the world..
G'day I have always shot my test groups in prone. It is the most stable shooting position. With out using any other equipment. NRA Action Pistol Shooters use the prone position most of the time when they shoot. I use to shoot Action Pistol before I started shooting IPSC. What discipline do you shoot?
Just managed to snap up the Shadow 2 Orange new, couldn't believe my luck, can you tell me if the standard cz 75 magazines fit the orange? Or do I need to get the shadow 2 mags?
Standard mags fit mate and also tanfoglio. What pistol are u running at the moment?
First purchase, held A+B but wanted to get into comp shooting for fun
Nice one mate. It is a definite stress relief for me too. What work do you do?
@@azzatac9763 project management, this whole covid fiasco has everyone in a tail spin, my range time is like pure gold at the moment
I used to be in construction and range Time is what gave me insentive to get up in the morning. I hop you like your shadow mate. Are you going to shoot IPSC? Or another discipline?
Thanks for that, but now I’m concerned. I’ve just bought a S2 blue (get it soon) and I will be appalled if it groups like that at 25 metres. If that’s the best I can get out of it after trying various loads, it’ll be going straight to OZ Guns classifieds.
Thanks for the comment. Let me know how you go? What are you planning shooting with it? IPSC or something else?
@@azzatac9763 No IPSC - I’m a paper puncher. Since I posted my comment, I have got my S2 and been to the range a couple of times. My CZ is capable of about four to five centimetre groups at 25 metres, so that’s good enough at this early stage of load development. I really like the trigger and the overall feel of the gun. Mine is a SAO.
Factory ammo you shoot very fast not a real test
G'Day from WA mate ;) I have just purchased a Shadow 2 Orange (still waiting for it to get here...) and am already looking for any possible improvements/accessories I can get. I really like thumb rests TS models have (I imagine it would help with recoil control too), would that make gun illegible for Production Division in IPSC? Also do you use progressive press for reloading and if so what model?
thanx for the vid - always wondered how they compared :)
G'day GF
First improvement would be to upgrade the springs Check out my product! www.azzatac.com/product-page/eemann-tech-upgrade-kit-for-cz-shadow-2
Link to my store for the spring kit I use.
The thumb rest would put the Pistol in standard. But it would help with recoil control, however I use armanov grips to help with that they are also available at my store. Two more things I would do is mags and mag bases and a reduced mag release spring. Unfortunately I don't have mags for sale, but the best ones to get are metgar or tanfoglio and I have bases for both.
Thanks for the comment and I hope you get your new Pistol soon! Have you got a Pistol at the moment or is this your first?
@@azzatac9763 Hey mate! Springs are now on the way too! :) What are we doing to mags? Swapping to aftermarket ones?
At the moment I own Sig Sauer Mosquito and Tanfoglio Force 99, but am looking to step up and hopefully get into IPSC. Who knows, might discover a true calling?! :)
Hey GF oh awesome! I would swap out the mags to aftermarket if you can. What sort of Tanfoglio mags do you have now? Full metal or do they have the plastic crappy base? IPSC is super enjoyable mate regardless of your skill level!
@@azzatac9763 Just a standard steel with plastic base, but to be honest never had any mag issues! Tanf lacks weight as it is as it has polymer lower and only a steel slide. Barrel is great, all polished up, ramp is shiny as, but recoil is an issue... I shoot 20/20/20 at a local club and during those last speed rounds at 25 meters , you get shotgun-like dispersion XD that was the main reason for going full steel for me. I did wand (badly!) Sig P320 X5 Legion, but they are on the back order for around a year, so Shadow it is! :)
G'day mate the legion is pretty good, but IMO the CZS2 is better even without any spring kits or mods.
I would buy an uplula loader,I got a different for each gun now.
Gday @darryl b I am unsure what you mean by uplula loader. Can you send me a link please? Thanks for your comment.
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