A battle scene with deception, a sucker punch, revenge, a counter punch, point blank weapons fire, and all of it with great music. I never get tired of seeing this scene.
I'd don't care what critics say. Montalban was epic in this movie. He acted like a man who had been wronged for 20 years and stewed in rage all that time. Emotional, cunning, savouring every second of pain he inflicts.
Plus he was basically acting "solo" - he never meets Kirk in the film and delivers most of his dialogue straight to a camera. Also he was pretty buff for a 62-year-old.
haha I saw this in Houston too Summer of 82, I was 12 North Oaks mall northwest Houston. The theatre was cheering when the Enterprise blew away Reliant
And totally unbelievable. I mean, literally, no longer of Kirk's experience or rank would have entered into range of Reliant without shields and weapons up and at the ready.
@@kurthaas4331This could happen anywhere. Similar to how that French frigate approached that English "whaler" in that other movie. Kirk even addresses this in his comment about his britches. It's a good learning experience.
@kurthaas4331 Man what are you on?? These are 2 ships in the Federation, no one aboard has any idea that a ship has been stolen. Therefore there is absolutely no reason for Kirk to think there is anything wrong more than a comm failure. What would be totally unrealistic is if Kirk put his shields up just because of his comand "instinct" that something seems wrong.
No fancy CGI, no gigantic battle, just good dialogue, good acting, sharp editing and great music to create drama and tension. Fantastic. This is a lost art.
Great summer of movies that was (1982). ET, Poltergeist, First Blood, Star Trek, The Thing (John Carpenter), Rocky 3. Check that; a Spectacular Summer of movies. 😀
New ST fans can't understand why I was disappointed with the new Khan. His character should've been permanently retired after this classic...it just can't be topped.
@@jstriker623 I could not be more disappointed from a critic on the actual reboot. New Kahn is designed as good as an sci-fi/action-adventure movie allows, and he has some touching backgrounds which do not permit you to ignore his behaviour and agenda. I think many technical-cinematographic flaws of the 70's and 80's movies have been fixed by next generation movies (including 90's series and films). Old Kahn appears, to my eyes and ears, just like an irrational being aiming to reach the (abused) control of the universe. New Kahn is looking for vengeance over an hypocritical Federation Of The Planets who enslaved his crew. I must also say that I admire the work who stand beside the psychological development of Mr. Spock (who can stand proudly his heritage) and, particularly of Uhura, who is characterized as a competitive member of the enterprise having troubles with some obvious problematic aspects coming from the engagement with a colleague and his troublesome relation with the captain. Other members of the crew left me quite satisfied. Kirk needs a discussion à part. I think they needed to sacrifice something from the original franchise's lore to clarify that those were a reboot. In the 60's show Jim is the man, meaning a mannish boy. He's like a Sean Connery shot in outer space. Everything's gonna be alright this morning... He break out on the quest like a kid who's playing without getting involved in moral issues (considering the franchise's standards)... but getting older (mainly in movies) he become more conscious. He reach the knowledge of his mortal clothes, of his crew's mortal clothes. He keeps being the good ol' boy who loves travelling through stars and finding stupor facing new facts and situations, but no one can doubt he has grown mature when he faces a self proclaimed god, or lose his son, or confronts with all he sacrificed to the Starfleet in the Nexus. New Kirk, at this point, missed the opportunity to face loss, death, deception. We are expecting the fourth movie... I hope he will be guided by more cool purposes, lucky stars, rational behaviours, without losing the marvellous instinct to go exploring, since, first of all, we are explorers (with the iron, vulcan-forged, morality typical of the Federation). I must also say that the old Bones is difficulty substituted, mainly for his actor playing skills, which kept credible lines not always satisfying. New Bones, on the other hand, is not an alcoholic, is not depressed, doesn't spend time to criticize Vulcan's logic, and, I guess, has less problems to find a partner (which I don't consider a step back).
This is arguably one of the best scenes in all of the Star Trek movies. It isn’t a surprise this movie ranks as one of the highest in the entire franchise. Simply spectacular on every level, I still come back to watch this sequence.
I will never forget the audience in the packed theatre going absolutely nuts when the Reliant shields began dropping, Kahn going crazy searching for the override and Kirk saying "fire" and the Enterprise firing on the Reliant. This is among the greatest thirty seconds of science fiction ever made.
Michael Lazarus ..Yes. I'll never forget that classic sound +display of shields dropping 🖖🛰🚀 So, years later I worked as an animator in video games industry--films like this got the intrested in CG, technical art and VFx. 📽📺🎬
"...packed theatre going absolutely nuts when the Reliant shields began dropping, Kahn going crazy searching for the override ..." I was watching this very scene with my Dad back in 1991 and after Reliant's shields dropped and the Enterprise returned fire, my Dad literally said in Farsi, "He tricked on him!" To which I beamed a smile to him and nodded my head saying in effect, "Yes! Welcome to Star Trek Dad!"
Saw it as a 9 year old kid in the theater back in '82. The moment the audience heard "Sir, our shields are dropping. Raise them! I can't!" The whole theater lost their minds. Greatest movie moment I was ever a part of!
Definitely, it is difficult to comprehend how much weaker this whole scene becomes when you take the music away which says so much about what is actually missing from modern movies. Even John Williams doesn't seem able to produce the finished product he could once before. I can remember every track and see the scene in my head in Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, but its all just so generic and detached in the newer movies.
Ricardo Montalban's acting here is simply magnificent!! The way his snide smile turns to abject terror when he learns that the Enterprise has disabled his shields.....absolutely brilliant!
@@mm-gl7sz I'm now trying _not_ to imagine the Leslie-Nielsen-on-Star-Trek appearances that might have been, because I'd only make myself sad. It wouldn't even have been comical -- he'd have been playing it 100% straight, right? (Yes. Surely.)
X-ref. the dynamics between Khan and Joachim here, vs. later, in the nebula. Joaquim announced he's slowing down; Khan looks like he's about to yell something to the effect of "No! Full power!!!"; Joaquim just glares at him, and he shuts up. By this point, they're in over their heads, so deep that even Khan himself can no longer deny it. His melodramatic command style is by now just barely keeping up with reality. And that's *before* Chekov takes over the tactical console.
@@southy98 it's science fiction the way Star Wars is science fiction. After TMP, the Trek films became much more about the characters while they abandoned the kinds of big ideas the crew used to encounter in the original series. The idea of exploring strange new worlds and boldly going where no one had gone before pretty much went out the window after TMP
@@cashewnuttel9054 My guy look up what Eugenics is, Khan is not just racist, he's speciesist. He believes the augments are the next evolution and Homo Sapiens is inferior.
I saw that as a kid, with my big sister and I still remember the feeling of incredulity and panic, when that PHASER started chiseling through the hull 😶
I love that this movie wasn't afraid to show a Kirk who was rusty and out of practice. It makes the moment when he gets his groove back all the more impactful.
I don't really think the implication is supposed to be that Kirk is "rusty and out of practice" despite him questioning whether he's become senile. He simply has a disregard for a general regulation due to his veteran status. This is something that actually happens with commanders of naval vessels. As they get more experienced they tend to disregard regulations that they see as useless or bureaucratic. In this situation it cost him because he couldn't fathom being fired upon by a Federation vessel of lower class or the reasons for such an attack. This ruse may not have worked on a less experienced captain due to their strict adherence to regulation.
@@jackcoleman1784 Reminds me of Star Trek 6 - when Lieutenant Valeris quotes regulations just as Saavik did in this clip... ...Except Valeris gets shutdown hard 😁
Plus Kirk was told there were no ships in that area which is why they were sent to investigate things. SO why did he not get suspicious right away when a ship that was not suppose to be there suddenly comes out of nowhere like that!
@@PRHILL9696 First thought would be perhaps Starfleet sent a second available ship into the system to assist Enterprise. Enterprise had just come out of warp and entered the star system - Can't pick up comms while in warp, if message sent by Starfleet of a change in orders and to rendezvous with Reliant. First action would be to enquire by establishing communication, which is disregarded by Reliant. It all plays out in less than two minutes - And the game is on.
I just noticed Scotty saying "Use your respirators, lads" & "Get back to your posts". He was trying to maintain order in his engine room despite all hell breaking lose.
Also lots of movies today are filled with meaningless WOKE garbage which has NOTHING to do with the plot. If Star Trek 2 was remade today here's an example of what we would be seeing: 1. The nephew of Scotty would be gay and 2 minutes with him kissing his gay partner with likely a scene of them sharing a bed. 2. Another 5 minutes wasted on explaining the Genesis project is needed because of climate change. 3. Saavik (the female vulcan) would actually be a drag queen and 2 minutes wasted where Spock learns from her about treating the different genders. 4. Uhura would have a 4 minute scene explaining how her great ancestors struggled with racism from white men. 5. There would be 4 minutes or more wasted showing how the Star Trek crew is eating bugs because that's what expected today.
Ricardo Montalban was *fantastic* in this film - after years of Fantasy Island, finally, he got the opportunity to play a character he could really sink his teeth into! You could tell, all the way through, that he was having a marvelous time.
Even just sat in that chair and simply talking and hardly moving, he is exuding charm, malice and charisma all at once and through every pore on his body. Unfortunately not something Benedict Cumberbatch could match.
What's remarkable about Ricardo is if you hear the stories from the crews filming these sequences is that he was in so much pain from his permanent back injury during a great majority of shots it was remarkable he could sit much less move around in a great many of the scenes. Especially the final battle bridge scenes with him crawling around on his hands and knees. He was truly an amazing, dedicated artist. Still I think as far as storyline and acting goes, one of if not the best of the original Trek crew movies.
@@kimothy1701 I agree, Benedict Cumberbatch kicked ass as Dr. Strange, but I consider it poor casting to have him in Into Darkness. There are a lot of top tier Latino actors that would have taken Khan in another direction as opposed to having Cumberbatch, not really offering anything new. It's not entirely his faulty. I though all of the reboots were shit. I'm speaking from a 35 year love affair with Trek. Not just the movies but every series, books, trading cards, action figures, comic books. You name it, and I've either experienced it, read about it, or know about it in some way.
@@michaelfields2416 same here. Bit longer than you with Trek though. Lol. The first reboot I did like the story concept and the casting wasn't too bad. For me Karl Urban killed it as McCoy. Keeping the Crotchity characteristics without parodying De Kelley's original performance. The sequals not so much. Also didn't like how they kept trashing the Enterprise.
What I love about this scene is that, unlike so many modern action scenes, there are consequences. People die. Both ships are damaged. What happened affects the rest of the movie and is critical to the final battle. That's how you plot, man.
@@markforster6457 ....which also played into the theme of his character-arc about aging and feeling "old and worn-out" in some aspects, yet not ready to retire.
@Pumpkin Spice I wouldn't necessarily say 'true fans', as much as I'd say people who have never seen Wrath of Khan. If it were me, I probably just wouldn't have used Khan in the Kelvin timeline. I would've had it be a different villain. Then we could have had variations of the scenes we had and it would have probably been fine.
Modern Star Trek generally has left alot to be desired. That said, I am cautiously optimistic about Strange New Worlds. There is potential there, and the first episode made a good impression. If they keep doing the series like that, we might be in good shape.
One of the finest scenes in all of Star Trek, from unquestionably the greatest movie. Kirstie's performance as Saavik is simply magnificent. Rest in Peace to the incomparable Kirstie Alley💔
In the origanal treatment she is supposed to be half human or half Romulan, hence the emotionality, and the throwing herself at Kirk in the turbolift, lol.
Best battle scenes of the entire Star Trek franchise. You just can't beat how good 20-foot models look on camera, even the best CGI. This movie is 35 years old, and truly stands the test of time.
Dont think they were 20 feet, but models look so much better than CGI. In addition years in the future you still have interesting props. With CGI you have nothing. One day I will go to the Air & Space Museum and see the original Enterprise model and feel some connection with the creaters who have long since passed. Nothing like touching an old Ironclad from the CIvil War as opposed to looking at a just a 3D image.
Paramount likely had more money to refine the visual FX: if you look at Star Wars, the effects weren't as sharp. But great direction & drama used to overcome that.
@@magius-jo2gl but where the writers blew it was having Khan quote Klingon. He was in suspended animation for centuries without knowledge of their existence. Then he is marooned for another 15 years on the same 20th century earth ship that has no volumes on alien cultures and civilizations but he is well versed in Klingon proverbs.
@@ghostwriter8897 that is true. The only thing that I can think of is when during his time on the Enterprise when he was taking over the ship, he may have had time to review their database. Also, who knows what Provisions and equipment was given to them when they were marooned on Ceti Alpha 6. And Marla Macgivers was also with him (albeit she dies a few years into their marooning). While it’s not a smoking gun as to where he could have known Klingon, these are possibilities into how he knew about the Klingon empire. Where they messed up was when he recognizes Chekhov. He wasn’t onboard during the episode Space seed, unless he reviewed the manifest and maybe he was just not a bridge officer at that time (highly unlikely)?
@@jcb3933 Supposedly it has been explained in one or more of the Star Trek novels that Chekov was on the ship at the time and had met Khan, just was not a bridge officer yet so he never got any "screen time". And of course Khan would remember him (superior intellect and all). And it's established in _Space_ _Seed_ that Khan was given access to the information in the Enterprise's computers during his time in Sickbay. He no doubt studied a lot more than "technical manuals" in that time (Klingon culture, for instance).
I remember the Mad Magazine parody- Khan: "I give you 60 seconds" Kirk: "You gotta give me more time. 1 minute at least." Khan: "Alright, 1 minute. But don't push me."
It actually takes like 1:56. Its not a mistake, Kirk is stalling and confusing him and every time he does, you can see his incredululity that it works.
I was 12 when this movie came out. I saw it on the 4th of July....the previews for it had captivated me for months. I must have drawn 100 pictures of the phaser battle in the previews....movie was even better than my expectations....pure magic....I walked home after the movie in the twilight with fireworks going off because of the holiday....one of the best memories of my childhood.
Ditto, only I was 13 that summer. Seeing it on the big screen (as that was the ONLY way to see a movie in 82) was magnificent. While I love rewatching it at home, nothing compares to seeing (and hearing it) in a large theater with hundreds of other fans.
Saw it when it first came out. Always wondered why Scotty didn't bring up a crewman who was really bloody, like cut in half or maybe just an arm or two.
That's because the point of the new movies is the anti-America, anti-defense message. For Into Liberal Darkness, JJ just remade scenes from Wrath of Khan and Space Seed. He did the same thing with the Liberal Force Awakens.
Just so I understand, the new ones are liberal anti-american junk, but the originals, about a post-military, post-capitalist society, founded on the principles of unity and equality, aren't? I think you're into Star Trek for all the wrong reasons. This is still miles better than the new ones though.
+Crabby Old Gamer I only wish that you understood that the original Trek films were also full of liberal messages. Do you not understand what Roddenberry's vision was? He was super ahead of his time. Pretty much what Grant Menmuir said.
Sort of full of liberal messages: the original crew all got to where they were based on their skill & expertise & NOT on their 'diversity'--I mean seriously Sulu was THE MASTER Helmsman of Starfleet; what did that whiny know it all Crusher bring to the table? That's why Next Gen had problems--Old Gene seems to have been in the thrall of Barrett who stroked his ego & kept him drunk & stoned as well so he was a bit 'around the bend'.
True & I am really bugged by the whole 'star ships' dogfighting like jet fighters & I can't really stand why the other ship has to practically park on top of the other ship to shoot. BUT then again, the idea of 'point defense' weapons to destroy projectiles like photon torps & missiles before they impact.
Back in the early 90s we had this thing at school called Film Appreciation and you could bring a film in to show the class. After multiple requests I was finally allowed to bring in Star Trek II. I was mocked by most of the class. Back then, Star Trek was considered something for nerds (this was in Australia). They laughed and jeered as the movie commenced, making fun of Spock's ears and the techno babble. But all of that STOPPED when we got to this scene. From that point on they were GLUED to the screen. In fact, near the end of the film some of them grabbed their school bags and were half way out the door when, of course, the whole SPOCK thing happened. Not one single student left the auditorium. They sat there and watched the whole thing. Some in their seats. Some half way down the aisle trying to be gung-ho. When the credits started to roll, all their nerdist bullshit comments subsided and they came up to me with questions like: "So what happened to Spock? Did he die?". They just got a whole lot of smug looks from me. Not so tough with your nerd comments now eh. Was absolutely worth it and I felt a sense of accomplishment in bringing some sci-fi to some so called "hardened" school kids.
Whether you are a die hard Star Trek fan or not, this is undeniably a great film on any level.. Certainly one of the greatest science fiction films ever.
"Here 'it' comes..." Hot damn this movie just never ceases to thrill. 37 years later this scene...heck the entire movie...gets my adrenaline going. A masterpiece!
"Here it comes" was the best line in the movie. The way he says it, and makes that almost undetectable cocky head tilt right before he says it. That was SOOO totally James T Kirk in every way. I'd say it was his greatest moment ever.
@@erichoffman2243 Apparently, they had Shatner redo this line so often until he became bored and tired with it. Only that way they could get that subdued delivery from him.
What's great about this scene, arguably one of the greatest battle scenes in Trek ever, is it's not just a shoot-em-up, it's literally like a submarine battle, based on strategy and leadership. It's not who had the bigger guns or best shooting.
Yes! The best Trek battles were emulations of ancient sea vessels in a mighty, roaring ocean firing canons at each other. Not the modern Trek we have now with no style, just mayhem.
True. And it wasn't some huge, anonymous battle with gazillions of ships popping like balloons. This was just two smart captains and two roughly equal ships trying to blow the snot out of each other.
He still should have gotten the Oscar. He was fucking brilliant and I could feel his hate and passion through the screen when I saw this in theaters while in high school. I left the theater in awe.
Acting. Editing. James Horner's score. Nailed it all. This was my first jaw dropping / on the edge of my seat moment in Star Trek. And it's still about the best one there is.
I like how Nicholas Meyer got a superior performance out of Shatner in this scene by tiring him out with a lot of takes. The "here it comes" part got less and less hammy until it became what we saw in the final cut.
I will never forget watching William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy on an afternoon variety show (Dinah Shore or Mike Douglas) before the movie came out. They were hamming it up (Wrath of Khaan, Caan, shtick) and then the trailer with the tail end of the battle scene with explosions and the "terms of our surrender" bit.
Its impossible to ever fully appreciate the dynamic between Shatner and Nimoy. The Interplay between the two of them is just so natural when explaining prefix codes to Savik. So great!
These have got to be my absolute favorite Federation Uniforms in all of Star Trek, not only do they look good but they are also practical and look like actual Naval command uniforms
Always enjoyed how Star Trek treated space like an ocean. Vast, deep, cold and unpredictable. Then we have these ships duke it out submarine warfare style. Absolute perfection
This is actually closer to 18th century naval warfare; he’s doing an almost literal “false flag”, where you fly a friendly flag until you’re almost point-blank them fire off a bull broadside and cripple them for your next go-around, with intent particularly on shooting their rudder. In fact, that’s almost exactly what happens here when he blows apart their impulse engine power.
By the same token both ships are stuck in the middle of nowhere. In the 18th Century the two crews would have tied their ships together, consolidated supplies and started fishin' big time while saying lots of prayers.
My millennial friends things these movies are a joke cause the ships move so 'slow'. I explain to them they're treated like submarines essentially. And if you see a ship in the distance on the ocean, it looks like it's hardly moving but in reality it's hauling ass through the water.
Strongly agree. The only thing I saw in all of canon that even competes would be DS9 with their dominion war scenes but I don't think even those large scale battles can compete with the tension in this small action.
Really? The Battle of Yavin? I mean that might be the most perfect sci-fi battle sequence ever filmed. And I positively LOVE both this first Battle of Regula and the later Battle of the Mutara Nebula. But the Battle of Yavin is as good as scenes get. It's high praise to both franchises that the acting, special effects, and sound score made such worthy comparisons of one to the other.
02:05 It is impossible to overemphasize the shock and drama of this moment for us who saw this back in 1982. This was the first time in over 13 years that one Star Trek ship fired phasers at another ship in battle. After the sleepy first movie, this moment was quite stunning.
That is not true in the original series M 5 commanding the Enterprise destroyed a Constitution class in battle. Training exercised turned into real combat in the blink of an eye.
I was in college, the campus newspaper had a review on Friday. So...I knew that Spock would die. No hint of this battle so in the theater next afternoon we all went nuts over this engagement.
Relic of a bygone era in filmmaking... so sad. This cast had the best character development, TNG was kinda OK I guess but nothing will ever come close to this Golden Age of Star Trek. Edit: most recent wave of ST movies were just awful, sorry to say so.
I remember there was an interview with a Naval veteran that had been a consultant on this film. He actually survived a submarine attack that inspired the engine room scene in this clip. In the interview the guy said that when their sub was hit with a depth charge the engine room happened to be filled with really young inexperienced guys not ready for war. They all panicked as in this scene and this consultant said there was one sailor screaming "I need air" over and over cuz he was hysterical.
wow i didnt know that, im not sure i would be able to keep my cool in a submarine, the idea of being in a metal container that's slowly filling up with water is terrorizing
This, imho, is probably the best ten minutes of science-fiction ever committed to film. The whole movie is absolutely spellbinding from start to finish.
Nebagram Agreed, gotta love the underlying parallels to literature. Good Star Trek films were great with subtext. Although I've talked about yearning for practical effects of old over CGI in my other videos, I adore this movie's 'spirit' and many underlying messages of passage of time, revenge consuming a person, mortality, sacrifice...
Craig Hicks Per other's responses: Star Wars is *fantasy* (specific sub-genre: Space Opera); Star Trek is science fiction (specific sub-genre: Futuristic Adventure/Morality Play). All geeks should know their business... ;)
The music when Reliant's shields go down, plus those panicked expressions and zoom ins... absolutely brilliant! Still the best Trek film, alongside First Contact.
These days, the idea of a military remote access lock code that's anything less than a 100,000-character string of random ASCII characters is somewhat laughable. It tells us how far computing has come in 30+ years to see that, back then, six numerals were considered a nearly-impossible to break password.
Dude, when Sulu fires he aims for the Reliant's bridge. The man doesn't play around. Just a few meters to the right and it would have been a pretty short movie!
Was just thinking that myself. They only had a few shots so they needed to make them count. Would the Reliant’s bridge have an additional defense field that the prefix code couldn’t disable? Or was the phaser lock not as accurate given the damage the Enterprise computer sustained?
I love Spock closing his eyes at the end and frowning when Scotty brings his nephew up to the Bridge. That one subtle look keys the audience that for a Vulcan, Spock is working through a deep sense of shared grief and loss. Nimoy was a master in understatement expression to convey powerful feelings.
An iconic movie scene. Also, there is no doubt that Mr. Montalban should have received at least an Oscar nomination for his portrayal. He was brilliant in this role.
The space battles in this film is like watching a great naval battle, the "slowness" and the pattern of movement in addition to James Horner's theme is a classic.
neohubris And the second battle in the nebula is like two submarines trying to find and attack each other before the other detects them. The result is also a classic.
This is proof that better special effects don't make for better space battles. There is little in recent sci-fi that can match the drama and intensity of this.
I thought Reliant was the best looking ship model they built for the franchise. It was bigger, yet smaller in outer volume. It looks like someone improved the engineering of an older, bulky design. TOS Enterprise was the most picturesque. I'd day the 2019 rendering was second best in aesthetic both inside sets and out. TMP was OK but the original look or the 2019 look was better to me. TNG looked like it was drawn in a comic book. Too graphic and far too colorful to look like a real thing. I could never suspend disbelief. Just MY aesthetic. Not anyone else's.
Smart casting Kirstie Alley in this movie. Her first big role. The movie is 40 years old now in 2022, and it’s a classic. She was great in the part, and always remains memorable in the movie. Gone too soon! RIP Kirstie.
Can’t believe that 40 years later, this scene is just as fantastic. The tension of the battle, the exciting score, Khan’s look when he hears the shields are down and realizes Kirk has outsmarted him.
“Her prefix code?” “It’s all we’ve got..” “Reliants prefix number is 1 6 3 0 9..” “Each ship has its own combination code... to prevent an enemy from doing what we are attempting.” This whole sequence is just brilliant to me.
wow that is some great writing , thanks for sharing. il never forget being in the theater when this movie first came out, even back then as a kid this movie brought so much emotion out of you
John Spence, The original line is as fitting. They are attempting to force Reliant to lower her Shields, Prefix Codes exist primarily to prevent such infiltration.
@@CapLP-yt7hd doesn't make sense. The prefix code in this case is used to essentially hack the reliants control system. So really the prefix code is used to prevent Kahn from controlling reliant. So its really used to prevent Kahn from doing what hes doing. When they say the prefix code is to "prevent an enemy from doing what were doing", it implies you would use the prefix code to prevent an enemy from using the prefix code. It doesn't work.
John Spence, My thought process had been the following. Kirk had been speaking of ordering Reliant to lower shields, as opposed to utilizing the Prefix Code. However, I understand your logic. Good Day.
It's a great point of contrast between Kirk and Khan. Kirk owns his mistakes and recognizes the competency of his subordinates. Khan, on the other hand, brushes off his first mate Joaquim (who serves as the level-headed voice of reason on the Reliant) and fails to acknowledge his sound advice throughout the rest of the film.
They don't appreciate it takes 5 hours to get the right luminosity on screen. You must play the movie 3 times all the way through and THEN you sit down to watch the 4th screening. During the first 3 screenings, the image is too cold and isn't a great projection. Warm up your dvd player and system for 4 hours, before you watch it.
When Khan yells "Fire!" the reaction the other followers have looks genuine, as if they had no idea he was going to do that. They all jump as if caught off guard. Hats off to Ricardo Montalban for doing that.
This NEVER gets old. It's a masterclass of suspense and build up, where one starship strike can make the difference, something Nemesis never learned with its plethora of potshots.
This, right here! Space combat is filmed terribly in the whole TNG era, with ships several hundred meters long doing fighter-style maneuvers around each other before even bothering to fire. Completely ridiculous. The Enterprise-E should've been a massively armored beast that strolls in and knocks other ships' blocks off, not spending time doing "Evasive Pattern Alpha". Bleh!!!
@Alexander Kerensky TNG itself, maybe. Only because they were using models. But as soon as they started using Babylon 5's old CGI team for DS9 and Voyager, it was "wee, look at all the fun maneuvers".
Actually, Nemesis did a very good job of depicting a Fed v Romulan slugfest, and had it been against a D'deridex warbird or other equivalent vessel, it would've been a bit less cartoony. What I always found ridiculous was scenes like Yesterday's Enterprise, when a wartime Galaxy-class fires like one, maybe two shots at a trio of BoPs instead of engaging at full impulse and putting those phaser arrays to use. Nemesis got starship fire and maneuver exactly right.
For those who did not see this magnificent film on the big screen in 1982. TCM is bringing Star Trek 2 back to theaters for 3 days. The last day in theaters is Sept 8, 2022.
Agreed - had ST2 not been greenlit, that would pretty much have been it for the franchise - only TOS reruns and low sales of old TMP tapes; there would have been no TNG, DS9, Voyager or Enterprise; the massive Paramount Star Trek juggernaut would never have been....
This one scene better than the entire last 2 Star Trek films with all their running and screaming and explosions that make you feel absolutely nothing. And that music's just amazing. James Horner and Jerry Goldsmith really held the whole series of films up.
***** If you can't go for more than 10 minutes without an explosion, and talking for more than 30 seconds kills your brain cells, then yeah, the new movies are the best.
+Solid Snake This isn't just the best Star Trek movie ever filmed, it's easily one of the best science fiction movies ever, it's up there with 2001 and Blade Runner. Something that's lost on modern movies is that action scenes should service the story, not the other way round. There's the obvious literary parallel with Moby Dick, Khan being the vengeful Ahab and the Enterprise being the white whale and this scene serves as an expression of Khans blinding lust for revenge rather than pReTy PlosiON BoOm bOoM lENSe flArE. Most people miss the other literary allusion and parallel with a Tale of two cities. The movie opens with the first lines of the novel and ends with it's closing lines, however, unlike in the novel it's the Charles Darney analog (Spock) that sacrifices himself for the redemption of the Sydney Carton analog (Kirk). It's an incredibly intelligent movie that's almost certainly too high brow for the modern 'general' audience. Modern movies are kinda like porno movies, in the sense that they're just money shot after money shot, loosely tied together with some laughably thin connective tissue. Good movies make you think, mediocre make you feel and crap movies are usually directed by JJ Abrams. LeNse fLaRe - leNSe flaRE - KaBOom - sExPLosIoN - BOOOOM - lenSe FlaRe - thoughtless platitude - BOOM Bad Robot
Dr. Robert Bruce Banner Ah yes. The new Ghostbusters is hated because we're all sexist. The new Trek is hated because we're all bitter. Absolutely ridiculous argument.
Still the best all-around Star Trek movie ever made. This movie's sub-themes about regret, aging, sacrifice, death, and the overall human condition give it a depth that few sci-fi movies before or since have achieved. Even Kirk's little moment here with the reading glasses is priceless -- he doesn't want to put them on in front of the crew, because he still wants to be "young, invincible Kirk," and maintain that image with his crew, so he glances around first and hesitates... but: "damn," he needs them to see. Because even the legendary Captain Kirk is not immune to aging and falling apart, just like the rest of us. As Kahn reminded him only a moment before: "Time is a luxury you *don't* have, Admiral." James Horner''s score also makes this movie incredibly re-watchable... love that score. Funny thing is, I've probably watched the scene in this clip 50-60 times over the years, but I still couldn't help but click on the link to watch it again. Unlike us humans, this movie never gets old. :)
I don't know if the filmmakers knew about it, but the glasses thing from an authority figure is a real moment in history. After the American War of Independence, a deeply indebted Continental Congress was thinking of reneging on its payment obligations to officers in the Continental Army. A conspiracy between officers began to directly challenge the political authorities. George Washington found out about it and went to address his officers. He spoke a bit, urging them to show restraint, but wasn't getting anywhere with them; they were exceedingly angry. He had a letter from Congress to read to them. However, he needed glasses, too, though he'd hid that from most of his officers. As he got them out, he said, "Gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have grown not only gray but almost blind in the service of my country." Apparently, that had a far larger impact; a number of the officers present burst into tears at hearing that from their vaunted commander in chief. Washington read the statement, left the officers to think it over, and they voted to repudiate the calls of the conspirators. The Newburgh Conspiracy was a pretty important moment in the early history of the American republic. A similar theme, though.
@@shadekerensky3691 I'd never thought of that. I'd always wondered why there was damage on the opposite side of the stardrive section from the main attack. But it definitely makes sense that one(or a couple) of the phaser shots from the Reliant punched clean through the ship, especially considering the phasers Reliant was firing were the big cannons, not the relatively small turrets both ships had. Things were probably designed to punch through Klingon or Romulan ship like they did here.
The *"FIRE!"* from Khan contains so much long-awaited joy of revenge. You see it in that rictus tooth-filled smile on his face. He has been anticipating this moment for decades. He probably dreamed about it. All of that emotion is crammed into one word. It gives me goosebumps to this day.
I also find it so interesting that some of the background characters got startled when khan said it. I guess the actors weren’t anticipating that he would put so much passion in that simple word.
Captain Ahab is going after his white whale. No seriously this entire movie is basically moby dick but in space, but instead of revenge for crippling him, Khan wants revenge for the death of his wife
Another thing I really love that doesn't get mentioned very often is the ending of the scene. Sulu says "Sir you did it!"and he immediately snaps back "I did nothing! "Except get caught with my britches down." "I must be going senile!" "Mr. Savaik you keep right on quoting regulations!" He knew he screwed up by not realizing the threat quickly enough and it almost cost the ship and crew. Knowing that , he was not going to take any accolades for finding a way to wiggle out of the Trap he fell into. He also must realize that they are still in serious trouble because Reliant caused them much more damage than they in turn caused her.
The *TENSION!* God I love it. This is what modern Trek is lacking; the quiet moments, the slow builds, it makes the action all the more satisfying. Not to mention the impact the weapons have and the speed they move at, you can tell these things weighs hundreds of THOUSANDS of tonnes
This is so true. The new shows and all are way too fast paced and overdone. It's not the same anymore. At least mostly. Sometimes a certain director knows how to do this, but rarely.
When Uhura informs Kirk of Khan's Request of terms of surrender, it takes the breath out of the bridge and just breaks the moral of everyone on the bridge and us the audience and only moments later to have a resounding Victory. This is truly one of the greatest scenes in all Cinema. Great Stuff
A chess master vs a guy who knows how to hack Starfleet computer systems, manage a crew, and win space battles. Yeah, Khan is smarter, but winning starship battles is Kirk's JOB.
What's even funnier about the Reliant's chairs is that they're the Enterprise chairs from THE MOTION PICTURE. They just gave the Enterprise new mint green ones so when they rearranged the bridge set pieces and changed the paint jobs, they'd create the illusion of two different bridges.
Puke green Corinthian leather!! I remember seeing this the 1st time & recognizing immediately that they'd decorated Reliant's bridge with the same foam stuff they used as padding when we had our house carpeted!
The best Star Trek movie ever made - nothing else compares to this one. Brilliantly directed with absolutely incredible acting especially on the part of the late Ricardo Montalbán. Leonard Nimoy, Deforest Kelly, and even William Shatner all deliver excellent performances also. Great script, awesome idea, and amazing special effects for the time. They simply don't make good movies like this anymore (pity). For the cast to come off of Star Trek I - the blah motion picture and make *this* is incredible. R.I.P. Mr. Montalbán - we are lessened at your departure. GOD speed to you sir.
The somewhat ironic thing is that this was made on a fraction of the first movie's budget, mainly used a Paramount TV crew, had a very restrictive shooting schedule and was helmed by a relatively (at the time) unknown writer/director (Nick Meyer). This was also James Horner's first big-studio cinematic score. I think all the old hands knew it was "make or break" time and decided to give it everything they had.
Although I like TWoK, I still don't think it's as good as The Motion Picture. TWoK definitely writen to satisfy the critics crying for "More Action" from TMP, and they certainly did a good job on that, but it also come with massive logical and technical deficiency. Not just "I-never-forget-a-face-Mr.-Chekov", but also the existence of Genesis device, which lack credibility at all level. The crew are somewhat over-reacting to situation, and the fact that...why no engineering crew do anything to fix the engine at all until Spock come down there, then they just screaming outside the engine room while Spock do all their jobs. It is emotional scene, but stupid. They lack the careful writing of TMP, and that's what deficient about TWoK.
There was no "careful writing" for TMP. They did not even have a solid ending for the script WHILE SHOOTING THE MOVIE. What about the Genesis device lacks credibility? As for why the trainee crew wasn't saving the ship in the end? Most of them were suffering from acute radiation poisoning and were all but completely incapacitated. Scotty and McCoy were the only two to notice Spock was even doing anything. The rest of the engineering crew were sitting and laying around because they were all incredibly weak.
Part of the reason TMP was of higher budget was that a failed TV project, Star Trek Phase II, was put there. Part of the lower budget for this one and the second was that they recycled ship scenes. Leaving dock especially. II was a far better bang for the eventual buck, but TMP was visually impressive for the time, as intended.
When my brothers and I were kids, this was one of the few movies we had on VHS... and we watched the crap out of it. Wore the friggin tape out. One particularly hot summer... we watched it 3 times in one day. It just NEVER gets old. It's a perfect film.
I totally relate this was one of my favorite films to watch repeatedly along with Robocop back in the late 80s early 90s. Still to this very day I can rewatch it and enjoy it at the same level I did as a child. The soundtrack is phenomenal as well and I recently added tracks from this one and the search for spock to my playlist which I blast in my car just about every time I go anywhere.
I miss this kind of movie. Where its slow paced and all the characters feel real and like they are living breathing creatures. Where every action is building upon itself. Where its okay to go long periods of time without an explosion or action sequence. Where its okay for a fight to be replaced with a verbal standoff. Where its okay to spend 10 minutes having people talk around a table. Where the enemies don't die insantly like they are insignificant adds. Where the spacefights don't involve 1 hit ko's and then plot armour for any main characters ships ( a problem for series like deep space nine somtimes, and more readily seem in other sci fi like Andromeda or SG1 or whatever other mainstream scifi).
I love the two "oh crap" moments: Moment one: Spock: They're locking phasers. Kirk: Raise shields! Moment two: Khan: Where's the override? THE OVERRIDE?!?!?
@@emperorconstantine1.361 That is what he actually says (meet, not eat). Though, either works, "eat" just doesn't match 1980's lingo. "Meet", on the other hand, works in either context. Plus, I'm pretty sure the script says "meet".
It was cheaper than the first Star Trek movie, that's the only reason it got made. TMP went ridiculously over budget. They saved money by reusing shots in II.
I like how everything on any starfleet ship is heavily damaged or barely operational during a battle but the self destruct sequence is working perfectly
I saw this film in the theater as a kid in 1982 and this scene never gets old. The best space battle of any film ever....and it involves a grand total of two ships, two tactical geniuses, and zero CGI.
I agree about the ship battle...pretty sure all the phasers and photons were traditionally animated...but don't forget the Genesis demo...first proper use of CGI in a movie.
One of the points of this Meyers rewritten script was to add over ten years to TOS. TMP was supposed to be 2272. Just one year in drydock since the return of Kirk's crew from the 5 yr mission. Myers and Bennett didn't think Shatner could pull off 39 and it was obvious in TMP that Nimoy and the others could not pull off their ages in the early 1970s. So the Face It You're Older script was written starting with the birthday. Kirk became 50 and started making rookie mistakes.
@Sam Soofi I always thought he said Damn because he had to use them period. Like "man everybody is looking at me and I cant put in the codes without these."
@Meanie Panini No. Sorry. At best they are equally equipped. Reliant lacks the prodigious Deflector dish of the Constitution refit. This logically infers that power output and capacity are simply higher. It's akin to comparing the Nebula vs Galaxy Class. Glaxy Class was the crown jewel of Starfleet while the Nebula was intended to be the workhorse with modularity to be missions specific. The Galaxy needed no such adaptability, as it was fully equipped to handle most situations.
@@KH4444444444N The deflectors are not in the same category as the shields. Deflectors are used to prevent debris from entering the warp field, not defend against enemy vessels. The Miranda was originally named Avenger class by fans who noted the vessel is 20% larger than Constitution class vessels, equipped with four torpedo launchers, phaser cannon which the Constitution lacks altogether, and larger hangars for carrying fighter craft. The only advantage the Enterprise had was a better crew and a couple extra phasers on the secondary hull.
@@collectornick4270 ikr? Lol! Sad...there will never be an equal to Star Trek II, 3, 4, 5(go ahead and hate but it had it's moments) and 6-which was on par with II.
He would add that fucking lens flare a horrible sound beat when he could. Fire everything muh krew muh krew roll credits you'll see if you hadn't walked out after the theme.
2:48 I love the detail of the chaotic, overlapping comms transmissions, someone saying "prime torpedoes", etc before Kirk tells Uhura to turn the channels off. Really gives the impression of all the damage control and battle station activity that's going on throughout the ship, outside of the bridge and engineering.
FilmFlaw Ds9 on its greatest day could not hold a candle to this scene... so much of ds9 had potential unfortunately most of it was forced, not to mention the chemistry of the cast kinda lacked.. because they were on a damn station and only so much can happen on it!
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A battle scene with deception, a sucker punch, revenge, a counter punch, point blank weapons fire, and all of it with great music. I never get tired of seeing this scene.
Here it comes.
@@annabelleboluda8539 Great line!
James Horner was an amazing composer. He scored some of the most legendary films of all time like *_Aliens, Titanic, and Avatar._*
@@D2Kprime A Beautiful Mind, The Perfect Storm...
The score as well, is just perfect
I'd don't care what critics say. Montalban was epic in this movie. He acted like a man who had been wronged for 20 years and stewed in rage all that time. Emotional, cunning, savouring every second of pain he inflicts.
That's exactly what Montalban said in this interview: th-cam.com/video/yxxSzt49cYw/w-d-xo.html
Plus he was basically acting "solo" - he never meets Kirk in the film and delivers most of his dialogue straight to a camera. Also he was pretty buff for a 62-year-old.
But why did he have to look like an old rock star mixed with someone from WWE dressed by the flintstones wardrobe department?
IIRC he hurt his back in a horse riding accident, so he had to rely on his upper body more to compensate.
leftcoaster67 great villan hero
"Sir, our shields are dropping." Theatre goes nuts. (Houston 1982)
haha I saw this in Houston too Summer of 82, I was 12 North Oaks mall northwest Houston. The theatre was cheering when the Enterprise blew away Reliant
Funny. That’s what I remember too (Louisville 1982); not being able to hear any of the dialog after that moment.
@@davidkeatting5061 ya the place was packed, it was a special time
I was there and can vouch.
Ricardo Montalban - best villain ever!
THIS is how you do a space battle. Real mounting tension, great atmosphere, every shot, every move matters. Not a second is wasted. It's perfect.
And totally unbelievable. I mean, literally, no longer of Kirk's experience or rank would have entered into range of Reliant without shields and weapons up and at the ready.
@@kurthaas4331This could happen anywhere. Similar to how that French frigate approached that English "whaler" in that other movie.
Kirk even addresses this in his comment about his britches.
It's a good learning experience.
@@kurthaas4331you failed to take into account human factors with your condemnation
Captain Kirk Killed Tortured Murdered Kahn's Mother ALIVE ; Many don't know Kahn was Canadian also as Kirk , but Quebec French Canadian , IS TRUE
@kurthaas4331 Man what are you on?? These are 2 ships in the Federation, no one aboard has any idea that a ship has been stolen. Therefore there is absolutely no reason for Kirk to think there is anything wrong more than a comm failure. What would be totally unrealistic is if Kirk put his shields up just because of his comand "instinct" that something seems wrong.
No fancy CGI, no gigantic battle, just good dialogue, good acting, sharp editing and great music to create drama and tension. Fantastic. This is a lost art.
Hmst Agreed!
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Great summer of movies that was (1982). ET, Poltergeist, First Blood, Star Trek, The Thing (John Carpenter), Rocky 3. Check that; a Spectacular Summer of movies. 😀
Except feom the bit where they are doing star jumps across the screen xD
writers today just dont have the imagination this days
R.I.P. Ricardo, James, Leonard, Nichelle, and now Kirstie
And before any of them, Deforest.
@I don't think so HaHa No not quite yet. Haha He's currently 91 yrs old. He'll turn 92 in March 2023.
Most of the crew except Captain Kirk himself
Also RIP Paul Winfield aka Captain Terrell of USS Reliant and RIP Merritt Buttrick aka Admiral Kirk's son David.
@@herondelatorre4023 Kirk's son is dead too?? WTF? How is everyone except Kirk dead??
Ricardo Montalbán will always be the true Khan. R.I.P.
Shatner will always be the true Kirk.
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New ST fans can't understand why I was disappointed with the new Khan. His character should've been permanently retired after this classic...it just can't be topped.
@@jstriker623 I could not be more disappointed from a critic on the actual reboot. New Kahn is designed as good as an sci-fi/action-adventure movie allows, and he has some touching backgrounds which do not permit you to ignore his behaviour and agenda. I think many technical-cinematographic flaws of the 70's and 80's movies have been fixed by next generation movies (including 90's series and films). Old Kahn appears, to my eyes and ears, just like an irrational being aiming to reach the (abused) control of the universe. New Kahn is looking for vengeance over an hypocritical Federation Of The Planets who enslaved his crew.
I must also say that I admire the work who stand beside the psychological development of Mr. Spock (who can stand proudly his heritage) and, particularly of Uhura, who is characterized as a competitive member of the enterprise having troubles with some obvious problematic aspects coming from the engagement with a colleague and his troublesome relation with the captain.
Other members of the crew left me quite satisfied. Kirk needs a discussion à part.
I think they needed to sacrifice something from the original franchise's lore to clarify that those were a reboot. In the 60's show Jim is the man, meaning a mannish boy. He's like a Sean Connery shot in outer space. Everything's gonna be alright this morning... He break out on the quest like a kid who's playing without getting involved in moral issues (considering the franchise's standards)... but getting older (mainly in movies) he become more conscious. He reach the knowledge of his mortal clothes, of his crew's mortal clothes. He keeps being the good ol' boy who loves travelling through stars and finding stupor facing new facts and situations, but no one can doubt he has grown mature when he faces a self proclaimed god, or lose his son, or confronts with all he sacrificed to the Starfleet in the Nexus. New Kirk, at this point, missed the opportunity to face loss, death, deception. We are expecting the fourth movie... I hope he will be guided by more cool purposes, lucky stars, rational behaviours, without losing the marvellous instinct to go exploring, since, first of all, we are explorers (with the iron, vulcan-forged, morality typical of the Federation).
I must also say that the old Bones is difficulty substituted, mainly for his actor playing skills, which kept credible lines not always satisfying. New Bones, on the other hand, is not an alcoholic, is not depressed, doesn't spend time to criticize Vulcan's logic, and, I guess, has less problems to find a partner (which I don't consider a step back).
Agreed.
This is arguably one of the best scenes in all of the Star Trek movies. It isn’t a surprise this movie ranks as one of the highest in the entire franchise. Simply spectacular on every level, I still come back to watch this sequence.
One of the best scenes in the history of the franchise.
@@Will87 absolutely
The best scene you mean.... and don't forget to mention the music. Awesome.
Same here, Robert.
Totally agree best Star Trek movie made by a Mile
I will never forget the audience in the packed theatre going absolutely nuts when the Reliant shields began dropping, Kahn going crazy searching for the override and Kirk saying "fire" and the Enterprise firing on the Reliant.
This is among the greatest thirty seconds of science fiction ever made.
Michael Lazarus ..Yes. I'll never forget that classic sound +display of shields dropping 🖖🛰🚀 So, years later I worked as an animator in video games industry--films like this got the intrested in CG, technical art and VFx. 📽📺🎬
"...packed theatre going absolutely nuts when the Reliant shields began dropping, Kahn going crazy searching for the override ..." I was watching this very scene with my Dad back in 1991 and after Reliant's shields dropped and the Enterprise returned fire, my Dad literally said in Farsi, "He tricked on him!" To which I beamed a smile to him and nodded my head saying in effect, "Yes! Welcome to Star Trek Dad!"
Yes,I saw when new. Audiance went nuts clapping and cheering. During the death scean later everyone was was crying it was amazing
Saw it as a 9 year old kid in the theater back in '82. The moment the audience heard "Sir, our shields are dropping. Raise them! I can't!" The whole theater lost their minds. Greatest movie moment I was ever a part of!
wow i envy you guys able to watch this classic on the big screen
James Horner's brilliant score sells this scene as much as any acting does.
Amen brother. Soundtrack is EPIC and integral to how great these scenes were. If you have Spotify, you have access to the music - totally awesome.
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There's a guy on TH-cam who made a point about how soundtracks don't really punch up the action scenes anymore.
Definitely, it is difficult to comprehend how much weaker this whole scene becomes when you take the music away which says so much about what is actually missing from modern movies. Even John Williams doesn't seem able to produce the finished product he could once before. I can remember every track and see the scene in my head in Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, but its all just so generic and detached in the newer movies.
I can still see the whole movie just by listening to the soundtrack
Ricardo Montalban's acting here is simply magnificent!! The way his snide smile turns to abject terror when he learns that the Enterprise has disabled his shields.....absolutely brilliant!
One of the most gifted and underrated actors of all time. He always dominated the scene and never played the stereotype. He was truly exceptional
@@Hoeech He was also the best bad guy for Frank Drebin as well, Although Robert Goulet was pretty good too
@@mm-gl7sz I'm now trying _not_ to imagine the Leslie-Nielsen-on-Star-Trek appearances that might have been, because I'd only make myself sad.
It wouldn't even have been comical -- he'd have been playing it 100% straight, right? (Yes. Surely.)
X-ref. the dynamics between Khan and Joachim here, vs. later, in the nebula. Joaquim announced he's slowing down; Khan looks like he's about to yell something to the effect of "No! Full power!!!"; Joaquim just glares at him, and he shuts up.
By this point, they're in over their heads, so deep that even Khan himself can no longer deny it. His melodramatic command style is by now just barely keeping up with reality.
And that's *before* Chekov takes over the tactical console.
@@voidstarqDon't call me Shirley 😂
Forget being the best Trek movie, this is one of best sci-fi movies ever made.
Totally agree it’s a great movie
It's alright, but it's barely science fiction. It's action adventure with some cool technology in it.
@@christheghostwriter Why not both?
@@southy98 it's science fiction the way Star Wars is science fiction. After TMP, the Trek films became much more about the characters while they abandoned the kinds of big ideas the crew used to encounter in the original series. The idea of exploring strange new worlds and boldly going where no one had gone before pretty much went out the window after TMP
Always thought this battle was the best fight scene in cinematic history.
35 years old and still kicks the ass of what's passing for Trek now.
agreed never get tired of watching this trek film emotion great effects action drama excellent
Clovers You need to be locked up for spelling his name as “Kahn”. It’s KHAN for fucks sake, come on....
Project Named Unicorn 5:36 he he he he
@Clovers Or maybe he may kill himself, given time, due to that out of control obsessive anger...
Wait.
Absolutly 100% correct
I've seen it a million times over the decades and it STILL gives me chills to watch this scene play out.
In the theaters...the crowd went nuts...all was said.."oh..oh..wow...sh*****"
Is Khan and his crew racist? I've just noticed that there aren't any black people in his crew...
@@cashewnuttel9054 My guy look up what Eugenics is, Khan is not just racist, he's speciesist. He believes the augments are the next evolution and Homo Sapiens is inferior.
Me too. I have chills ever now.
I saw that as a kid, with my big sister and I still remember the feeling of incredulity and panic, when that PHASER started chiseling through the hull 😶
I love that this movie wasn't afraid to show a Kirk who was rusty and out of practice. It makes the moment when he gets his groove back all the more impactful.
I don't really think the implication is supposed to be that Kirk is "rusty and out of practice" despite him questioning whether he's become senile. He simply has a disregard for a general regulation due to his veteran status. This is something that actually happens with commanders of naval vessels. As they get more experienced they tend to disregard regulations that they see as useless or bureaucratic. In this situation it cost him because he couldn't fathom being fired upon by a Federation vessel of lower class or the reasons for such an attack. This ruse may not have worked on a less experienced captain due to their strict adherence to regulation.
@@jackcoleman1784 Reminds me of Star Trek 6 - when Lieutenant Valeris quotes regulations just as Saavik did in this clip...
...Except Valeris gets shutdown hard 😁
He got caught with his pants down. It happens to us all. We learn from it, as he does after he realizes exactly who's coming for him.
Plus Kirk was told there were no ships in that area which is why they were sent to investigate things. SO why did he not get suspicious right away when a ship that was not suppose to be there suddenly comes out of nowhere like that!
@@PRHILL9696 First thought would be perhaps Starfleet sent a second available ship into the system to assist Enterprise. Enterprise had just come out of warp and entered the star system - Can't pick up comms while in warp, if message sent by Starfleet of a change in orders and to rendezvous with Reliant. First action would be to enquire by establishing communication, which is disregarded by Reliant. It all plays out in less than two minutes - And the game is on.
2:27 Never noticed how Scottie's nephew ran TOWARD the trouble, rather than away from it. His heroism allowed the Enterprise to fire phasers.
An unsung hero... the original theatrical version kinda omitted the fact that he was Scottie's nephew.
Also a great setup for the final sequence
We forget that enterprise engine department is important until Spock makes the ultimate sacrifice
He stayed at his post… when the trainees ran. 😢
I just noticed Scotty saying "Use your respirators, lads" & "Get back to your posts". He was trying to maintain order in his engine room despite all hell breaking lose.
"He stayed at his post! When the other trainees ran!"
Back when movies bothered building tension & drama rather than bombarding the audience with pictures & noise.
Bay-splosion era
The winter soldier elevator scene is good for this
Spot on.
Also lots of movies today are filled with meaningless WOKE garbage which has NOTHING to do with the plot. If Star Trek 2 was remade today here's an example of what we would be seeing:
1. The nephew of Scotty would be gay and 2 minutes with him kissing his gay partner with likely a scene of them sharing a bed.
2. Another 5 minutes wasted on explaining the Genesis project is needed because of climate change.
3. Saavik (the female vulcan) would actually be a drag queen and 2 minutes wasted where Spock learns from her about treating the different genders.
4. Uhura would have a 4 minute scene explaining how her great ancestors struggled with racism from white men.
5. There would be 4 minutes or more wasted showing how the Star Trek crew is eating bugs because that's what expected today.
Ricardo Montalban was *fantastic* in this film - after years of Fantasy Island, finally, he got the opportunity to play a character he could really sink his teeth into! You could tell, all the way through, that he was having a marvelous time.
They cut the best line from the film, though:
“The Enterprise! The Enterprise, I see the Enterprise!”
Even just sat in that chair and simply talking and hardly moving, he is exuding charm, malice and charisma all at once and through every pore on his body. Unfortunately not something Benedict Cumberbatch could match.
What's remarkable about Ricardo is if you hear the stories from the crews filming these sequences is that he was in so much pain from his permanent back injury during a great majority of shots it was remarkable he could sit much less move around in a great many of the scenes. Especially the final battle bridge scenes with him crawling around on his hands and knees. He was truly an amazing, dedicated artist. Still I think as far as storyline and acting goes, one of if not the best of the original Trek crew movies.
@@kimothy1701
I agree, Benedict Cumberbatch kicked ass as Dr. Strange, but I consider it poor casting to have him in Into Darkness. There are a lot of top tier Latino actors that would have taken Khan in another direction as opposed to having Cumberbatch, not really offering anything new. It's not entirely his faulty. I though all of the reboots were shit. I'm speaking from a 35 year love affair with Trek. Not just the movies but every series, books, trading cards, action figures, comic books. You name it, and I've either experienced it, read about it, or know about it in some way.
@@michaelfields2416 same here. Bit longer than you with Trek though. Lol. The first reboot I did like the story concept and the casting wasn't too bad. For me Karl Urban killed it as McCoy. Keeping the Crotchity characteristics without parodying De Kelley's original performance. The sequals not so much. Also didn't like how they kept trashing the Enterprise.
What I love about this scene is that, unlike so many modern action scenes, there are consequences. People die. Both ships are damaged. What happened affects the rest of the movie and is critical to the final battle. That's how you plot, man.
Yes, and Kirk was slow to react and people died because of it.
@@dan_hitchman007 Like he said-"I did nothing, except get caught with my britches down. I must be getting senile"
@@markforster6457 ....which also played into the theme of his character-arc about aging and feeling "old and worn-out" in some aspects, yet not ready to retire.
@Pumpkin Spice I wouldn't necessarily say 'true fans', as much as I'd say people who have never seen Wrath of Khan. If it were me, I probably just wouldn't have used Khan in the Kelvin timeline. I would've had it be a different villain. Then we could have had variations of the scenes we had and it would have probably been fine.
Modern Star Trek generally has left alot to be desired.
That said, I am cautiously optimistic about Strange New Worlds. There is potential there, and the first episode made a good impression. If they keep doing the series like that, we might be in good shape.
One of the finest scenes in all of Star Trek, from unquestionably the greatest movie. Kirstie's performance as Saavik is simply magnificent.
Rest in Peace to the incomparable Kirstie Alley💔
I'm sorry she passed..on Monday
Seeing Savik in tears at the end of the movie... Even my wife thinks she is hot!
In the origanal treatment she is supposed to be half human or half Romulan, hence the emotionality, and the throwing herself at Kirk in the turbolift, lol.
Indeed. She was a beautiful soul. Then and in later years. A tragic loss.
She was a Scientologist. She's leaping into a volcano with dolphins on Zeenu right now.
Fare thee well.
Best battle scenes of the entire Star Trek franchise. You just can't beat how good 20-foot models look on camera, even the best CGI. This movie is 35 years old, and truly stands the test of time.
"20 foot models" I had no idea they were so big! that being said, a few more years, and the CGI lighting and materials will look "authentic" enough.
NameCallingIsWeak No amount of CGI now or in the future will look "authentic" enough compared to real actual models. It will always look fake.
Dont think they were 20 feet, but models look so much better than CGI. In addition years in the future you still have interesting props. With CGI you have nothing. One day I will go to the Air & Space Museum and see the original Enterprise model and feel some connection with the creaters who have long since passed. Nothing like touching an old Ironclad from the CIvil War as opposed to looking at a just a 3D image.
This movie cost just 8.5 million to produce in 1982, as opposed to a JJ Abrams turd costing 150 million plus !!!
Paramount likely had more money to refine the visual FX: if you look at Star Wars, the effects weren't as sharp. But great direction & drama used to overcome that.
7:31 "Oh I've given you no word to keep Admiral. In my judgement you simply have no alternative."
Khan really had some awesome lines in this film.
most insidious line: let them eat static...( trying to hold back the savergy)
@@magius-jo2gl but where the writers blew it was having Khan quote Klingon. He was in suspended animation for centuries without knowledge of their existence. Then he is marooned for another 15 years on the same 20th century earth ship that has no volumes on alien cultures and civilizations but he is well versed in Klingon proverbs.
@@ghostwriter8897 that is true. The only thing that I can think of is when during his time on the Enterprise when he was taking over the ship, he may have had time to review their database. Also, who knows what Provisions and equipment was given to them when they were marooned on Ceti Alpha 6. And Marla Macgivers was also with him (albeit she dies a few years into their marooning). While it’s not a smoking gun as to where he could have known Klingon, these are possibilities into how he knew about the Klingon empire.
Where they messed up was when he recognizes Chekhov. He wasn’t onboard during the episode Space seed, unless he reviewed the manifest and maybe he was just not a bridge officer at that time (highly unlikely)?
@@jcb3933 Supposedly it has been explained in one or more of the Star Trek novels that Chekov was on the ship at the time and had met Khan, just was not a bridge officer yet so he never got any "screen time". And of course Khan would remember him (superior intellect and all).
And it's established in _Space_ _Seed_ that Khan was given access to the information in the Enterprise's computers during his time in Sickbay. He no doubt studied a lot more than "technical manuals" in that time (Klingon culture, for instance).
Sir they still haven’t raised their Shields….”Of course! We are one big happy Fleet!” 🤣🤣🤣
I remember the Mad Magazine parody-
Khan: "I give you 60 seconds"
Kirk: "You gotta give me more time. 1 minute at least."
Khan: "Alright, 1 minute. But don't push me."
you are forbidden to touch any of the buttons on the control thingy until further notice!
I effing loved the MM version!
It actually takes like 1:56. Its not a mistake, Kirk is stalling and confusing him and every time he does, you can see his incredululity that it works.
@@springbloom5940 You must have seen a different movie.
Lmao!
I was 12 when this movie came out. I saw it on the 4th of July....the previews for it had captivated me for months. I must have drawn 100 pictures of the phaser battle in the previews....movie was even better than my expectations....pure magic....I walked home after the movie in the twilight with fireworks going off because of the holiday....one of the best memories of my childhood.
That must have been very special. ❤️🖖
Ditto, only I was 13 that summer. Seeing it on the big screen (as that was the ONLY way to see a movie in 82) was magnificent. While I love rewatching it at home, nothing compares to seeing (and hearing it) in a large theater with hundreds of other fans.
I was 13 when my dad took us to see it. A very special memory.
Saw it when it first came out. Always wondered why Scotty didn't bring up a crewman who was really bloody, like cut in half or maybe just an arm or two.
Thanks for sharing
This scene is a million times more tense and engaging than anything in the newer movies.
That's because the point of the new movies is the anti-America, anti-defense message.
For Into Liberal Darkness, JJ just remade scenes from Wrath of Khan and Space Seed. He did the same thing with the Liberal Force Awakens.
Just so I understand, the new ones are liberal anti-american junk, but the originals, about a post-military, post-capitalist society, founded on the principles of unity and equality, aren't? I think you're into Star Trek for all the wrong reasons. This is still miles better than the new ones though.
+Crabby Old Gamer I only wish that you understood that the original Trek films were also full of liberal messages. Do you not understand what Roddenberry's vision was? He was super ahead of his time. Pretty much what Grant Menmuir said.
Sort of full of liberal messages: the original crew all got to where they were based on their skill & expertise & NOT on their 'diversity'--I mean seriously Sulu was THE MASTER Helmsman of Starfleet; what did that whiny know it all Crusher bring to the table?
That's why Next Gen had problems--Old Gene seems to have been in the thrall of Barrett who stroked his ego & kept him drunk & stoned as well so he was a bit 'around the bend'.
True & I am really bugged by the whole 'star ships' dogfighting like jet fighters & I can't really stand why the other ship has to practically park on top of the other ship to shoot. BUT then again, the idea of 'point defense' weapons to destroy projectiles like photon torps & missiles before they impact.
Back in the early 90s we had this thing at school called Film Appreciation and you could bring a film in to show the class. After multiple requests I was finally allowed to bring in Star Trek II. I was mocked by most of the class. Back then, Star Trek was considered something for nerds (this was in Australia). They laughed and jeered as the movie commenced, making fun of Spock's ears and the techno babble.
But all of that STOPPED when we got to this scene. From that point on they were GLUED to the screen. In fact, near the end of the film some of them grabbed their school bags and were half way out the door when, of course, the whole SPOCK thing happened. Not one single student left the auditorium. They sat there and watched the whole thing. Some in their seats. Some half way down the aisle trying to be gung-ho.
When the credits started to roll, all their nerdist bullshit comments subsided and they came up to me with questions like: "So what happened to Spock? Did he die?". They just got a whole lot of smug looks from me. Not so tough with your nerd comments now eh. Was absolutely worth it and I felt a sense of accomplishment in bringing some sci-fi to some so called "hardened" school kids.
I was in school in early 80s they showed us this film and everyone loved it from start to finish. Different times I guess
well, at least you had a cool class like that.
Whether you are a die hard Star Trek fan or not, this is undeniably a great film on any level.. Certainly one of the greatest science fiction films ever.
in the late 90's my english teach made watching this optional after reading Mobey Dick.
And then the whole school clapped
"Here 'it' comes..."
Hot damn this movie just never ceases to thrill. 37 years later this scene...heck the entire movie...gets my adrenaline going. A masterpiece!
"Here it comes" was the best line in the movie. The way he says it, and makes that almost undetectable cocky head tilt right before he says it. That was SOOO totally James T Kirk in every way. I'd say it was his greatest moment ever.
@@erichoffman2243 Apparently, they had Shatner redo this line so often until he became bored and tired with it. Only that way they could get that subdued delivery from him.
I'm 50 years old and this brilliant movie still gets the adrenaline going
the way he said "it's coming through now, kahn." makes him sound like a librarian talking to an impatient kid who wants to see if a book is in.
"Sauce for the 🦆 goose Mr.Savikk" the ODDS ARE ABOUT TO BECOME EVEN
RIP Kirstie Alley...sexiest Vulcan ever.
RIP Ricardo Montalban...one of the coolest, bad ass villains ever!
If Kirstie Alley, hadn't been abit Greedy, She would've been in another Star Trek movie.
RM deserved an Academy award for this. I'm dead serious.
Why she wasn't in the next 2 films?
@@astro837She was replaced with Robyn Curtis.
@@SRS_-wu3gx Whom Spock banged during his Pon Farr on Genesis
What's great about this scene, arguably one of the greatest battle scenes in Trek ever, is it's not just a shoot-em-up, it's literally like a submarine battle, based on strategy and leadership. It's not who had the bigger guns or best shooting.
Exactly. And both men's flaws exposed during the scene. It's a masterpiece.
Yes! The best Trek battles were emulations of ancient sea vessels in a mighty, roaring ocean firing canons at each other. Not the modern Trek we have now with no style, just mayhem.
True. And it wasn't some huge, anonymous battle with gazillions of ships popping like balloons. This was just two smart captains and two roughly equal ships trying to blow the snot out of each other.
I concur with your comment.
@@DeathReviews They weren't two equally matched ships. The Enterprise was caught off guard and was a way more powerful ship than the Reliant.
I love the way Khan says "Fire!" with fury and hate
Just like Captain Ahab. Cheers.
Ricardo gets an Oscar for this role if it wasn't a sci fi.
do you see how everyone jumps around him... like the actors are genuinely surprised by his scream!
He still should have gotten the Oscar. He was fucking brilliant and I could feel his hate and passion through the screen when I saw this in theaters while in high school. I left the theater in awe.
What's funny is, if you watch the trailer for Wrath of Khan there's an even more over the top take where he's really roaring the line.
Acting. Editing. James Horner's score. Nailed it all. This was my first jaw dropping / on the edge of my seat moment in Star Trek. And it's still about the best one there is.
I like how Nicholas Meyer got a superior performance out of Shatner in this scene by tiring him out with a lot of takes. The "here it comes" part got less and less hammy until it became what we saw in the final cut.
This film would have been my choice for the first movie to have re-booted the Franchise.
I will never forget watching William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy on an afternoon variety show (Dinah Shore or Mike Douglas) before the movie came out. They were hamming it up (Wrath of Khaan, Caan, shtick) and then the trailer with the tail end of the battle scene with explosions and the "terms of our surrender" bit.
Into Darkness is an atrocity
Ab-so-fn-lute-ly! It's perfection before CGI. It exhumes with emotion. Not even close to matched on the screen (not yet).
Its impossible to ever fully appreciate the dynamic between Shatner and Nimoy. The Interplay between the two of them is just so natural when explaining prefix codes to Savik. So great!
Especially when he points out a switch setting to Kirk while the exposition is taking place.
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These have got to be my absolute favorite Federation Uniforms in all of Star Trek, not only do they look good but they are also practical and look like actual Naval command uniforms
Always enjoyed how Star Trek treated space like an ocean. Vast, deep, cold and unpredictable. Then we have these ships duke it out submarine warfare style. Absolute perfection
This is actually closer to 18th century naval warfare; he’s doing an almost literal “false flag”, where you fly a friendly flag until you’re almost point-blank them fire off a bull broadside and cripple them for your next go-around, with intent particularly on shooting their rudder.
In fact, that’s almost exactly what happens here when he blows apart their impulse engine power.
By the same token both ships are stuck in the middle of nowhere. In the 18th Century the two crews would have tied their ships together, consolidated supplies and started fishin' big time while saying lots of prayers.
@@TheBType This is also the same strategy pirates used to attack unarmed merchant vessels at the time.
My millennial friends things these movies are a joke cause the ships move so 'slow'. I explain to them they're treated like submarines essentially. And if you see a ship in the distance on the ocean, it looks like it's hardly moving but in reality it's hauling ass through the water.
@@brockbaby sometimes they're depicted as slow moving because the camera is following the ship at a slightly slower speed
As a huge Star wars fan there's no scene like this one that compares. This is my favorite scene in the Star Trek series
Despite it not being in the originals my favorite scene is in Star Trek into darkness when the enterprise rises out of the lake
i like both
The closest they ever came to recreating this, was the battle with the cloaked Bird of Prey in VI.
Strongly agree. The only thing I saw in all of canon that even competes would be DS9 with their dominion war scenes but I don't think even those large scale battles can compete with the tension in this small action.
Really? The Battle of Yavin? I mean that might be the most perfect sci-fi battle sequence ever filmed. And I positively LOVE both this first Battle of Regula and the later Battle of the Mutara Nebula. But the Battle of Yavin is as good as scenes get. It's high praise to both franchises that the acting, special effects, and sound score made such worthy comparisons of one to the other.
02:05 It is impossible to overemphasize the shock and drama of this moment for us who saw this back in 1982. This was the first time in over 13 years that one Star Trek ship fired phasers at another ship in battle. After the sleepy first movie, this moment was quite stunning.
That is not true in the original series M 5 commanding the Enterprise destroyed a Constitution class in battle. Training exercised turned into real combat in the blink of an eye.
I was in college, the campus newspaper had a review on Friday. So...I knew that Spock would die. No hint of this battle so in the theater next afternoon we all went nuts over this engagement.
@@wesxander4329 That's why he said the first time in over 13 years...
>sigh< This movie is nearly 40 years old.. and still blows the doors off any of the new re-boot trek flicks..
It's 35, don't try to age me.
@@3Rayfire now 37 soon close to 40
@@G-TV_TheOneManArmy Now. My comment is a year and some change old.
Relic of a bygone era in filmmaking... so sad. This cast had the best character development, TNG was kinda OK I guess but nothing will ever come close to this Golden Age of Star Trek.
Edit: most recent wave of ST movies were just awful, sorry to say so.
@@MisterVolts 2009 version isn't so bad
I remember there was an interview with a Naval veteran that had been a consultant on this film. He actually survived a submarine attack that inspired the engine room scene in this clip. In the interview the guy said that when their sub was hit with a depth charge the engine room happened to be filled with really young inexperienced guys not ready for war. They all panicked as in this scene and this consultant said there was one sailor screaming "I need air" over and over cuz he was hysterical.
wow i didnt know that, im not sure i would be able to keep my cool in a submarine, the idea of being in a metal container that's slowly filling up with water is terrorizing
So you would feel better in a can that fills fast with ... nothing?
That is very interesting, I didn't know that
That makes complete sense. Had there been an experienced crew power would have been up in minutes.
they panicked because it was a cadet training cruise
This, imho, is probably the best ten minutes of science-fiction ever committed to film. The whole movie is absolutely spellbinding from start to finish.
Nebagram Agreed, gotta love the underlying parallels to literature. Good Star Trek films were great with subtext. Although I've talked about yearning for practical effects of old over CGI in my other videos, I adore this movie's 'spirit' and many underlying messages of passage of time, revenge consuming a person, mortality, sacrifice...
I can only assume you've never seen The Empire Strikes Back.
The Empire Strikes Back is more space opera/space fantasy than science-fiction.
Craig Hicks ESB is a fantasy movie in a space setting, this is science fiction!
Craig Hicks Per other's responses: Star Wars is *fantasy* (specific sub-genre: Space Opera); Star Trek is science fiction (specific sub-genre: Futuristic Adventure/Morality Play). All geeks should know their business... ;)
The music when Reliant's shields go down, plus those panicked expressions and zoom ins... absolutely brilliant! Still the best Trek film, alongside First Contact.
Yeah, that wonderful Uno Reverse moment. I'm damaged and unable to fight, but I'm going to superior tactics to hack your ship and take a pot shot
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CRocketSlim remote management, not remote desktop
More like phishing malware in the 23rd century.
These days, the idea of a military remote access lock code that's anything less than a 100,000-character string of random ASCII characters is somewhat laughable. It tells us how far computing has come in 30+ years to see that, back then, six numerals were considered a nearly-impossible to break password.
Dude, when Sulu fires he aims for the Reliant's bridge. The man doesn't play around. Just a few meters to the right and it would have been a pretty short movie!
Precisely.
Made the few shots left in the phaser banks count. Damages the torpedo area and the warp drive so they can’t just get away.
Was just thinking that myself. They only had a few shots so they needed to make them count. Would the Reliant’s bridge have an additional defense field that the prefix code couldn’t disable? Or was the phaser lock not as accurate given the damage the Enterprise computer sustained?
Great observation, he did manage to hit the bridge eventually
Never, ever, fuck with the Sulu. Not in the original movies, not in Abrams' movies. He will wreck your shit.
I love Spock closing his eyes at the end and frowning when Scotty brings his nephew up to the Bridge. That one subtle look keys the audience that for a Vulcan, Spock is working through a deep sense of shared grief and loss. Nimoy was a master in understatement expression to convey powerful feelings.
Probably wondering why Scotty took him to the bridge instead of sickbay.
I was thinking the same thing Ricky lol
I know! Such extravagant displays of emotion are most illogical.
@@ricky302v8 It's one of the few instances in a movie I've ever seen that is equally baffling and appreciated.
It's kinda hard to see but the nephew was the one rescuing the man who was going to be trapped behind the containment barrier
An iconic movie scene. Also, there is no doubt that Mr. Montalban should have received at least an Oscar nomination for his portrayal. He was brilliant in this role.
Had it not been in a sci-fi, he would have. But back then (as now) movies that make audiences cheer never get considered for Academy Awards
The space battles in this film is like watching a great naval battle, the "slowness" and the pattern of movement in addition to James Horner's theme is a classic.
neohubris Nicholas Meyer wanted a "Hornblower in space", so this was totally intentional.
He did it again in ST VI
Correct, Meyer read the script and immediately said oh, this is like a navy film... which is why much of it is reminiscent of a naval battle
neohubris And the second battle in the nebula is like two submarines trying to find and attack each other before the other detects them. The result is also a classic.
Ash Krikorian As Meyer's late wife said "Nautical, but nice."
neohubris The battle at the end was more like a Submarine battle would be
This is proof that better special effects don't make for better space battles. There is little in recent sci-fi that can match the drama and intensity of this.
I subscribed to you in honor of your TH-cam name. :)
Yep so sad all the new Trek space battles are just a CGI mess that you can't really follow what's going on and it has no emotional impact at all.
Wrath of Khan was made for 11 million after The Motionless Picture had wasted over 40 million
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Not really, there are plenty of good sci-fi movies. Interstellar for instance....
The old girl, riddled with phaser fire...Still the most regal Starship ever...
But 'spore drive' is the superior...
Warrior princess of the fleet.
I thought Reliant was the best looking ship model they built for the franchise. It was bigger, yet smaller in outer volume. It looks like someone improved the engineering of an older, bulky design. TOS Enterprise was the most picturesque. I'd day the 2019 rendering was second best in aesthetic both inside sets and out.
TMP was OK but the original look or the 2019 look was better to me. TNG looked like it was drawn in a comic book. Too graphic and far too colorful to look like a real thing. I could never suspend disbelief.
Just MY aesthetic. Not anyone else's.
She was a good ship
@@STho205 Mine too my dude, mine too.
Smart casting Kirstie Alley in this movie. Her first big role. The movie is 40 years old now in 2022, and it’s a classic. She was great in the part, and always remains memorable in the movie. Gone too soon! RIP Kirstie.
Hard to believe after this film, they offered her far less of a salary to work in the next film. That's why she didn't take the role.
---and Scientology got much money
Can’t believe that 40 years later, this scene is just as fantastic. The tension of the battle, the exciting score, Khan’s look when he hears the shields are down and realizes Kirk has outsmarted him.
Will never tire of this movie. Every moment is a moment worth experiencing again and again. They just don't make movies like this anymore.
saulzmon .... and never will again. :\
Amen brother. Absolutely epic fight scenes with a kickass soundtrack that puts it so over the top.
“Her prefix code?”
“It’s all we’ve got..”
“Reliants prefix number is 1 6 3 0 9..”
“Each ship has its own combination code... to prevent an enemy from doing what we are attempting.”
This whole sequence is just brilliant to me.
wow that is some great writing , thanks for sharing.
il never forget being in the theater when this movie first came out, even back then as a kid this movie brought so much emotion out of you
Except the line should really be "To prevent an enemy from doing what Kahn is doing."
John Spence, The original line is as fitting. They are attempting to force Reliant to lower her Shields, Prefix Codes exist primarily to prevent such infiltration.
@@CapLP-yt7hd doesn't make sense. The prefix code in this case is used to essentially hack the reliants control system. So really the prefix code is used to prevent Kahn from controlling reliant. So its really used to prevent Kahn from doing what hes doing.
When they say the prefix code is to "prevent an enemy from doing what were doing", it implies you would use the prefix code to prevent an enemy from using the prefix code. It doesn't work.
John Spence, My thought process had been the following. Kirk had been speaking of ordering Reliant to lower shields, as opposed to utilizing the Prefix Code. However, I understand your logic. Good Day.
9:12 - This is Kirk's direct applogy to Saavik - He regrets not listen to her at 0:21 - Took me 40 years to realize it.
Same. I didn't realize this for a long time.
It's a great point of contrast between Kirk and Khan. Kirk owns his mistakes and recognizes the competency of his subordinates. Khan, on the other hand, brushes off his first mate Joaquim (who serves as the level-headed voice of reason on the Reliant) and fails to acknowledge his sound advice throughout the rest of the film.
I don't think people appreciate how well this movie is put together. Probably the best Sci fi movie of all time.
But critically, it's so much more than "just" sci-fi ... There's a lot going on in this relatively short adventure ...
They don't appreciate it takes 5 hours to get the right luminosity on screen.
You must play the movie 3 times all the way through and THEN you sit down to watch the 4th screening.
During the first 3 screenings, the image is too cold and isn't a great projection.
Warm up your dvd player and system for 4 hours, before you watch it.
Starwars came first in movie theaters before startrek . I like them both equally unless you want to add episodes 7-9, then startrek would be on top.
Indeed i agreed to the fullest 💯💯🤘🏾🖖🏾
It literally in the top 10 best sci fi movies of all time!!
It cannot be overstated just how vital the incredible filmscore by Jamers Horner is for this movie in making it so special.
Amen to that!
When Khan yells "Fire!" the reaction the other followers have looks genuine, as if they had no idea he was going to do that. They all jump as if caught off guard. Hats off to Ricardo Montalban for doing that.
It was more then having waited for revenge with him are having their moment
8:04 I always love how total control turns into sheer horror in a matter of seconds 😂. Ricardo Montalban was an amazing actor.
" Let them eat static" Me. Montalban should have received an acting nomination for his understated rage of his performance as Khan. Brilliant.
I love that line
“Let them eat static”, people during lockdowns when someone tries to FaceTime them
meet... not eat.
Understated rage. BOOM ! You nailed it.
he says "Let them meet static"
The music in this is so vital. RIP James Horner.
This NEVER gets old. It's a masterclass of suspense and build up, where one starship strike can make the difference, something Nemesis never learned with its plethora of potshots.
This, right here! Space combat is filmed terribly in the whole TNG era, with ships several hundred meters long doing fighter-style maneuvers around each other before even bothering to fire. Completely ridiculous. The Enterprise-E should've been a massively armored beast that strolls in and knocks other ships' blocks off, not spending time doing "Evasive Pattern Alpha". Bleh!!!
@Alexander Kerensky TNG itself, maybe. Only because they were using models. But as soon as they started using Babylon 5's old CGI team for DS9 and Voyager, it was "wee, look at all the fun maneuvers".
This build up was mostly possible due to the Reliant being a friendly ship. In open war and combat, it would rarely play out like this fight did.
Kirk vs Khan is the best
Actually, Nemesis did a very good job of depicting a Fed v Romulan slugfest, and had it been against a D'deridex warbird or other equivalent vessel, it would've been a bit less cartoony. What I always found ridiculous was scenes like Yesterday's Enterprise, when a wartime Galaxy-class fires like one, maybe two shots at a trio of BoPs instead of engaging at full impulse and putting those phaser arrays to use. Nemesis got starship fire and maneuver exactly right.
For those who did not see this magnificent film on the big screen in 1982. TCM is bringing Star Trek 2 back to theaters for 3 days. The last day in theaters is Sept 8, 2022.
Too bad it cannot be real film projection in stead of crappy digital.
This movie brought Trek back from the brink for many happy years.
First Contact was pretty good though
+Paleface Friend Insurrection was fairly bad too. Shame we only got 1 decent Nex Gen film and even that was full of plot holes because time travel.
I'll fess up to being in the minority here, but I kind of have a soft spot for Insurrection. Like most, I hated Nemesis.
Agreed - had ST2 not been greenlit, that would pretty much have been it for the franchise - only TOS reruns and low sales of old TMP tapes; there would have been no TNG, DS9, Voyager or Enterprise; the massive Paramount Star Trek juggernaut would never have been....
Nemesis was terrible. TNG topped out on First Contact.
This one scene better than the entire last 2 Star Trek films with all their running and screaming and explosions that make you feel absolutely nothing. And that music's just amazing. James Horner and Jerry Goldsmith really held the whole series of films up.
*****
If you can't go for more than 10 minutes without an explosion, and talking for more than 30 seconds kills your brain cells, then yeah, the new movies are the best.
+Solid Snake
This isn't just the best Star Trek movie ever filmed, it's easily one of the best science fiction movies ever, it's up there with 2001 and Blade Runner.
Something that's lost on modern movies is that action scenes should service the story, not the other way round. There's the obvious literary parallel with Moby Dick, Khan being the vengeful Ahab and the Enterprise being the white whale and this scene serves as an expression of Khans blinding lust for revenge rather than pReTy PlosiON BoOm bOoM lENSe flArE.
Most people miss the other literary allusion and parallel with a Tale of two cities. The movie opens with the first lines of the novel and ends with it's closing lines, however, unlike in the novel it's the Charles Darney analog (Spock) that sacrifices himself for the redemption of the Sydney Carton analog (Kirk).
It's an incredibly intelligent movie that's almost certainly too high brow for the modern 'general' audience. Modern movies are kinda like porno movies, in the sense that they're just money shot after money shot, loosely tied together with some laughably thin connective tissue.
Good movies make you think, mediocre make you feel and crap movies are usually directed by JJ Abrams.
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+Bobby Newmark I need to read tale of 2 cities again. I forgot
Always you bitter assholes have to take shots at the new series for being new. We can't just enjoy one or the other. Bitter people. Salty people. Smh
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Ah yes. The new Ghostbusters is hated because we're all sexist. The new Trek is hated because we're all bitter. Absolutely ridiculous argument.
Still the best all-around Star Trek movie ever made. This movie's sub-themes about regret, aging, sacrifice, death, and the overall human condition give it a depth that few sci-fi movies before or since have achieved. Even Kirk's little moment here with the reading glasses is priceless -- he doesn't want to put them on in front of the crew, because he still wants to be "young, invincible Kirk," and maintain that image with his crew, so he glances around first and hesitates... but: "damn," he needs them to see. Because even the legendary Captain Kirk is not immune to aging and falling apart, just like the rest of us. As Kahn reminded him only a moment before: "Time is a luxury you *don't* have, Admiral."
James Horner''s score also makes this movie incredibly re-watchable... love that score. Funny thing is, I've probably watched the scene in this clip 50-60 times over the years, but I still couldn't help but click on the link to watch it again. Unlike us humans, this movie never gets old. :)
I don't know if the filmmakers knew about it, but the glasses thing from an authority figure is a real moment in history. After the American War of Independence, a deeply indebted Continental Congress was thinking of reneging on its payment obligations to officers in the Continental Army. A conspiracy between officers began to directly challenge the political authorities. George Washington found out about it and went to address his officers. He spoke a bit, urging them to show restraint, but wasn't getting anywhere with them; they were exceedingly angry. He had a letter from Congress to read to them. However, he needed glasses, too, though he'd hid that from most of his officers. As he got them out, he said, "Gentlemen, you will permit me to put on my spectacles, for I have grown not only gray but almost blind in the service of my country." Apparently, that had a far larger impact; a number of the officers present burst into tears at hearing that from their vaunted commander in chief. Washington read the statement, left the officers to think it over, and they voted to repudiate the calls of the conspirators. The Newburgh Conspiracy was a pretty important moment in the early history of the American republic. A similar theme, though.
This is the ST movie that I hoped would be chosen to re-start the Franchise.
"Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan" was the best money that I've ever spent on a movie.
Perfectly said!
Well said.
Shields down. Point blank range. And the Enterprise took those phaser shots like a champion. Such a great ship.
And not just that, if you look at the damage report, one of the Reliant's phaser blasts punched out through the other side of the stardrive section.
@@shadekerensky3691 I saw that too.
She's a character in her own right. One things sci-fi movies miss out is crews becoming attached to their ships.
@@shadekerensky3691 I'd never thought of that. I'd always wondered why there was damage on the opposite side of the stardrive section from the main attack. But it definitely makes sense that one(or a couple) of the phaser shots from the Reliant punched clean through the ship, especially considering the phasers Reliant was firing were the big cannons, not the relatively small turrets both ships had. Things were probably designed to punch through Klingon or Romulan ship like they did here.
The *"FIRE!"* from Khan contains so much long-awaited joy of revenge. You see it in that rictus tooth-filled smile on his face. He has been anticipating this moment for decades. He probably dreamed about it. All of that emotion is crammed into one word.
It gives me goosebumps to this day.
Agreed. It is POWERFUL.
I also find it so interesting that some of the background characters got startled when khan said it. I guess the actors weren’t anticipating that he would put so much passion in that simple word.
02:04 Not just you buddy! *watch his entire bridge crew JUMP!*
@@blacknapalm2131 LOL I never noticed before!
Captain Ahab is going after his white whale.
No seriously this entire movie is basically moby dick but in space, but instead of revenge for crippling him, Khan wants revenge for the death of his wife
Gotta love how the music goes hand and hand every step of the way RIP JAMES HORNER
Damn right. Great composer. RIP
Epic soundtrack which put this scene WAY over the top- it STILL gets me excited!
RIP Uhura you beautiful human being.
Truly the golden days of ILM and special effects. This scene is a classic!
Did anybody else see Khans face after Joachim told him that their shields were dropping? His reaction was priceless.
Ummm... it's a movie, of course we have all seen it.
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Couldn't miss it. It was the climax of the scene.
Joachim has the best line in this film -- "Yours...is a superior..." [dies]
@@silkwesir1444 lol🤣🤣🤣
Another thing I really love that doesn't get mentioned very often is the ending of the scene.
Sulu says "Sir you did it!"and he immediately snaps back
"I did nothing!
"Except get caught with my britches down."
"I must be going senile!"
"Mr. Savaik you keep right on quoting regulations!"
He knew he screwed up by not realizing the threat quickly enough and it almost cost the ship and crew.
Knowing that , he was not going to take any accolades for finding a way to wiggle out of the Trap he fell into.
He also must realize that they are still in serious trouble because Reliant caused them much more damage than they in turn caused her.
As soon as he puts on his space-battle hat, it's over. James Kirk came here to chew bubble gum and kick ass and he is all out of bubble gum.
The *TENSION!* God I love it.
This is what modern Trek is lacking; the quiet moments, the slow builds, it makes the action all the more satisfying. Not to mention the impact the weapons have and the speed they move at, you can tell these things weighs hundreds of THOUSANDS of tonnes
Well, of course !
Nobody wants an STD !
This is so true. The new shows and all are way too fast paced and overdone. It's not the same anymore. At least mostly. Sometimes a certain director knows how to do this, but rarely.
This is true for every new movie
True. On the other hand, the new characters are so bad that the quieter tension-building moments wouldn't work.
But how can it be good without LENS FLARE?!?
When Uhura informs Kirk of Khan's Request of terms of surrender, it takes the breath out of the bridge and just breaks the moral of everyone on the bridge and us the audience and only moments later to have a resounding Victory. This is truly one of the greatest scenes in all Cinema. Great Stuff
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Do it! …. While we still have time
That music hitting that ominous tone when he appears on screen
I always loved how they gave the Reliant’s lights that faint reddish tint that gave off that “evil heart” just ever so subtly!!
Intelligence vs wisdom. A chess master vs a poker champion. Ship vs ship in a winner take all fight. Damn this is a great movie.
R.I.P. Kirstie Alley.
A chess master vs a guy who knows how to hack Starfleet computer systems, manage a crew, and win space battles. Yeah, Khan is smarter, but winning starship battles is Kirk's JOB.
@@charlesbaer9971Intelligence vs Experience
I love the Reliant's interior...upholstered with rich, *Corinthian* leather.
What's even funnier about the Reliant's chairs is that they're the Enterprise chairs from THE MOTION PICTURE. They just gave the Enterprise new mint green ones so when they rearranged the bridge set pieces and changed the paint jobs, they'd create the illusion of two different bridges.
"upholstered with rich, Corinthian leather" A nice touch, an always welcome upgrade for the DISCERNING Star Fleet captain.
Nice spy kids reference.
@@koolgame224 Spy Kids referenced this Chrysler commercial from the 80s starring...Ricardo Montalban. th-cam.com/video/E_HMIN0nGl0/w-d-xo.html
Puke green Corinthian leather!! I remember seeing this the 1st time & recognizing immediately that they'd decorated Reliant's bridge with the same foam stuff they used as padding when we had our house carpeted!
The best Star Trek movie ever made - nothing else compares to this one. Brilliantly directed with absolutely incredible acting especially on the part of the late Ricardo Montalbán. Leonard Nimoy, Deforest Kelly, and even William Shatner all deliver excellent performances also. Great script, awesome idea, and amazing special effects for the time. They simply don't make good movies like this anymore (pity). For the cast to come off of Star Trek I - the blah motion picture and make *this* is incredible. R.I.P. Mr. Montalbán - we are lessened at your departure. GOD speed to you sir.
The somewhat ironic thing is that this was made on a fraction of the first movie's budget, mainly used a Paramount TV crew, had a very restrictive shooting schedule and was helmed by a relatively (at the time) unknown writer/director (Nick Meyer). This was also James Horner's first big-studio cinematic score. I think all the old hands knew it was "make or break" time and decided to give it everything they had.
Although I like TWoK, I still don't think it's as good as The Motion Picture.
TWoK definitely writen to satisfy the critics crying for "More Action" from TMP, and they certainly did a good job on that, but it also come with massive logical and technical deficiency. Not just "I-never-forget-a-face-Mr.-Chekov", but also the existence of Genesis device, which lack credibility at all level. The crew are somewhat over-reacting to situation, and the fact that...why no engineering crew do anything to fix the engine at all until Spock come down there, then they just screaming outside the engine room while Spock do all their jobs. It is emotional scene, but stupid. They lack the careful writing of TMP, and that's what deficient about TWoK.
There was no "careful writing" for TMP. They did not even have a solid ending for the script WHILE SHOOTING THE MOVIE.
What about the Genesis device lacks credibility?
As for why the trainee crew wasn't saving the ship in the end? Most of them were suffering from acute radiation poisoning and were all but completely incapacitated. Scotty and McCoy were the only two to notice Spock was even doing anything. The rest of the engineering crew were sitting and laying around because they were all incredibly weak.
I heard TUC was also shot on a shoestring budget. Nicholas Meyer is a master at maximizing what budget he's given
Part of the reason TMP was of higher budget was that a failed TV project, Star Trek Phase II, was put there. Part of the lower budget for this one and the second was that they recycled ship scenes. Leaving dock especially. II was a far better bang for the eventual buck, but TMP was visually impressive for the time, as intended.
The more time passes, the more I appreciate the original star trek movies. Legendary!
Tho tos movies are the best Star Trek ever
R.I.P. Kristie Alley. You were lovely
When my brothers and I were kids, this was one of the few movies we had on VHS... and we watched the crap out of it. Wore the friggin tape out. One particularly hot summer... we watched it 3 times in one day.
It just NEVER gets old. It's a perfect film.
I totally relate this was one of my favorite films to watch repeatedly along with Robocop back in the late 80s early 90s.
Still to this very day I can rewatch it and enjoy it at the same level I did as a child.
The soundtrack is phenomenal as well and I recently added tracks from this one and the search for spock to my playlist which I blast in my car just about every time I go anywhere.
Glad I'm not the only one
It's just a fantastic scene.How can one not watch it over and over.
You should have been out playing in the sun
3 times in 1 day...that's just crazy man but if any movie could merit this...i guess this is one of them!!!
I miss this kind of movie. Where its slow paced and all the characters feel real and like they are living breathing creatures. Where every action is building upon itself. Where its okay to go long periods of time without an explosion or action sequence. Where its okay for a fight to be replaced with a verbal standoff. Where its okay to spend 10 minutes having people talk around a table. Where the enemies don't die insantly like they are insignificant adds. Where the spacefights don't involve 1 hit ko's and then plot armour for any main characters ships ( a problem for series like deep space nine somtimes, and more readily seem in other sci fi like Andromeda or SG1 or whatever other mainstream scifi).
"Where its okay to go long periods of time without an explosion or action sequence."
A-Men.
To be fair to DS9 they were fighting a massive interstellar war. Also the Defiant didn't have plot armor it had actual armor...lol
I love the two "oh crap" moments:
Moment one:
Spock: They're locking phasers.
Kirk: Raise shields!
Moment two:
Khan: Where's the override? THE OVERRIDE?!?!?
Possibly one of the best scifi space battle scenes of all time.
One of the best spaceship battle scenes of all time. Everything about it was awesome!
ILM shot the models to give them weight and scale, which is missing in today's sci-fi.
@@dan_hitchman007 The Trek spaceship models were always works of art, going right back to the '60s.
The Music here is Brilliant
When they get it right 1st time
This is probably the best moment in any science fiction thing (tv or movie) of all time
Nicolas Natalini AGREED!!!!
The feline smug self satisfaction of Khan played by the awesome Ricardo is a moment of cinematic wonder.
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+ColTaylorDyath Yes! 😉
"Let them eat static."
I always thought he said “let them meet static”
Static, though unsettling, is high in fiber. And radio waves...
@@emperorconstantine1.361 That is what he actually says (meet, not eat). Though, either works, "eat" just doesn't match 1980's lingo. "Meet", on the other hand, works in either context. Plus, I'm pretty sure the script says "meet".
Really outstanding SFX by 1982 standards...
Compared to CGI nonsense, its better than anything in movie theaters these days.
+Dietmar Pichler i agree entirely
It's okay. It felt cheaper than the first Star Trek movie.
It was cheaper than the first Star Trek movie, that's the only reason it got made. TMP went ridiculously over budget. They saved money by reusing shots in II.
Better than any cgi ever
I like how everything on any starfleet ship is heavily damaged or barely operational during a battle but the self destruct sequence is working perfectly
I mean it has to right? The only time you would use it is to scuttle the ship
That was Star Trek III - The Search for Spock
Don't forget about the vending machine on deck 8 which is always fully operational.
@@desertdude8274 For some reason if the ship is too damaged the self-destruct sequence doesn't work occasionally.
LEGENDARY! James Horner's score made it all the more!
I saw this film in the theater as a kid in 1982 and this scene never gets old. The best space battle of any film ever....and it involves a grand total of two ships, two tactical geniuses, and zero CGI.
Agreeed 110% !
There's nothing inherently wrong with CGI, just to be clear. Also, the computer displays had CGI. Vector graphics, but still.
I agree about the ship battle...pretty sure all the phasers and photons were traditionally animated...but don't forget the Genesis demo...first proper use of CGI in a movie.
Kirk fumbling, while putting on his reading glasses: " damn!"
One of the points of this Meyers rewritten script was to add over ten years to TOS. TMP was supposed to be 2272. Just one year in drydock since the return of Kirk's crew from the 5 yr mission. Myers and Bennett didn't think Shatner could pull off 39 and it was obvious in TMP that Nimoy and the others could not pull off their ages in the early 1970s. So the Face It You're Older script was written starting with the birthday. Kirk became 50 and started making rookie mistakes.
@Sam Soofi I always thought he said Damn because he had to use them period. Like "man everybody is looking at me and I cant put in the codes without these."
@Sam Soofi Don't you mean Shatnered 😁
@@chrisram678 Exactly. That's how I see the scene.
A huge part of the dramatic tension in this clip is provided by the music.
The only time a Miranda-class Light Cruiser actually seemed scary.
Any ship is scary when your shields are down. Phasers and photon torpedoes are nasty weapons
@Meanie Panini No. Sorry. At best they are equally equipped. Reliant lacks the prodigious Deflector dish of the Constitution refit. This logically infers that power output and capacity are simply higher. It's akin to comparing the Nebula vs Galaxy Class. Glaxy Class was the crown jewel of Starfleet while the Nebula was intended to be the workhorse with modularity to be missions specific. The Galaxy needed no such adaptability, as it was fully equipped to handle most situations.
@@KH4444444444N The deflectors are not in the same category as the shields. Deflectors are used to prevent debris from entering the warp field, not defend against enemy vessels. The Miranda was originally named Avenger class by fans who noted the vessel is 20% larger than Constitution class vessels, equipped with four torpedo launchers, phaser cannon which the Constitution lacks altogether, and larger hangars for carrying fighter craft. The only advantage the Enterprise had was a better crew and a couple extra phasers on the secondary hull.
It got the first shots in. A good sucker punch can really mess you up.
@Meanie Panini Reliant is more of a scout ship. Enterprise is a heavy cruiser. More weapons, better defense.
J.J. Abrams wishes he could do something like this.
Instead he just ruins star wars and adds lens flares
@@collectornick4270 ikr? Lol! Sad...there will never be an equal to Star Trek II, 3, 4, 5(go ahead and hate but it had it's moments) and 6-which was on par with II.
He would add that fucking lens flare a horrible sound beat when he could. Fire everything muh krew muh krew roll credits you'll see if you hadn't walked out after the theme.
*These people never understand*
It's ny opinion to like what i like
So Let me like movies
He doesn't wish. He takes already present elements and moves the pieces around to "reimagine" it.
This still looks amazing in 2019! Truely a classic
It's now 2021 and we're all Covid fatigued. And ITS STILL FREAKING AWESOM!!
not really but maybe for the time...especially bad is how the stars move when the spaceships move
2:48 I love the detail of the chaotic, overlapping comms transmissions, someone saying "prime torpedoes", etc before Kirk tells Uhura to turn the channels off. Really gives the impression of all the damage control and battle station activity that's going on throughout the ship, outside of the bridge and engineering.
"It's coming through now Khan." I love the way he says it, like they are best mates.
Greatest Star Trek ever, of any branch of the franchise, of any project type. Period.
Thrill Biscuit Nah, Deep Space Nine had better moments than this in my opinion.
FilmFlaw No, it didn't.
I was only giving my own opinion. I respect yours, too. DS9 is superb.
FilmFlaw Ha ha, how amusingly erroneous of you.
FilmFlaw Ds9 on its greatest day could not hold a candle to this scene... so much of ds9 had potential unfortunately most of it was forced, not to mention the chemistry of the cast kinda lacked.. because they were on a damn station and only so much can happen on it!