Beyond Evolution: Unraveling the Origins of Life with Stephen Meyer and James Tour | UK

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  • Stephen Meyer is the author of Return of the God Hypothesis and the director of the Discovery Institute. James Tour is a synthetic organic chemist and professor at Rice University, renowned for his work in nanotechnology and his skepticism toward the current scientific models explaining the origin of life.
    In this wide-ranging conversation, Meyer and Tour contrast biological evolution with the more complex challenge of chemical evolution, where modern science still struggles to explain how nonliving chemicals could give rise to life. They critique early experiments like the Miller-Urey experiment, emphasizing that producing basic molecules is far from creating life itself. Meyer and Tour also argue that as scientific understanding deepens, the complexity of life's origins becomes more daunting, raising both scientific and philosophical questions about the adequacy of the current mainstream scientific explanations and theories for the origin of life.
    Recorded on May 26th, 2024 in Fiesole, Italy.
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  • @intrepidus3378
    @intrepidus3378 หลายเดือนก่อน +137

    I love the dynamic of having Dr Meyer and Dr Tour on the same panel. They're both quite brilliant but really have a unique approach to debating the questions of origin of life. Dr Meyer is more measured while Dr Tour is more polemic. I had to pause at Dr Tour "a stinking pond" and laugh a little while I get ready for the rest of this.

  • @dillpickler5700
    @dillpickler5700 หลายเดือนก่อน +285

    Another fantastic show--thanks for having them on! Meyer (PhD Cambridge) and Tour (Rice chemistry prof, >650 research papers, >200 patents, H-index > 170) are highly intellectually credible. They deserve to be heard! So let's ignore the pro-cancellation comments from folks who want to suppress academically credible people like Meyer and Tour simply because they disagree with the majority. Let's stop the viewpoint suppression of dissenting scientific voices!

    • @user-pt6ug5ug3m
      @user-pt6ug5ug3m หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are being refuted. Because their research papers and ideas have no substance and are constantly found to be lacking. They are led by faith and not evidence.
      If they had credibility, then they would be listened to by the general scientific community.
      They are as credible as Terrance Howard.

    • @praxitelispraxitelous7061
      @praxitelispraxitelous7061 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      No way to stop it I think but you can still ignore it

  • @marshalbass7098
    @marshalbass7098 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Peter please keep these coming! This content is contributing to a paradigm shift.

  • @walterbrown8694
    @walterbrown8694 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    In the mid 40s, I remember the proverbial "primordial soup" model of life origin when I was still in grade school. No one questioned it. Same in high school science and biology classes of the late 40s and early 50s. In college, however, I just went on and studied mathematics, chemistry, physics, and electrical engineering. I like Dr. Meyers' statement about "undirected processes" which abound in the natural world versus the processes which occur in laboratories and manufacturing facilities. I think that point is central to all the origin of life questions. As an 89 year old retired engineer and mechanical guy who spent a lot of his lifetime fixin', repairin', buildin' old autos, auto engines, electric motors, washing machines, desktop computers, and my house. I have one pretty consistent observation from my years of getting stuff from auto junkyards. The stuff that's been in the junkyard the longest has rusted or deteriorated the most. Always reminded me of a fundamental "law" - No matter what you start with, if it is left without something continuously or repeatedly added in some organized ("directed") manner, it will decay, run down, stop working and absolutely end up becoming less than what you started with. Have never observed any exception to this.

  • @masterninja4010
    @masterninja4010 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I love these two guys. You should invite them on your podcast at least once per month.

  • @brooktrout5990
    @brooktrout5990 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    A discussion like this requires a room like that!

    • @galileog8945
      @galileog8945 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Or a couple of REAL experts on the topic.

    • @ayekaye8055
      @ayekaye8055 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@galileog8945like the ones in the video?? 😂

    • @Sergiuss555
      @Sergiuss555 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@ayekaye8055evolutionary biologists

  • @lynnetx5521
    @lynnetx5521 หลายเดือนก่อน +182

    Peter is one of the all time best interviewers. Loved hearing Dr Tour and Dr Meyer

    • @zachmaddocks545
      @zachmaddocks545 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      Mate he’s brilliant I found him so unintentionally funny aswell, the interviews with Thomas sowell are incredible!!

  • @dalehinds8008
    @dalehinds8008 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I have tons of respect for both of these men. And no one can match Peter as a host. Dr. Tour said what he hoped is that a younger generation will lay aside the prejudices of rank materialism and move in a more scientific direction. But I ask how can this happen so long as they are all immersed exclusively in the classroom with a single materialist cause for the origin of life.

  • @kevinberry9981
    @kevinberry9981 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Peter Robinson is the greatest interviewer I have ever seen. An intense listener, and a mind so agile that he can receive almost ANY new contention and turn it into a point of clarity.

  • @bumpkinskill
    @bumpkinskill หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Thank you, Peter, for bringing this VERY IMPORTANT discussion to the public. HIGHLY IMPORTANT.

  • @mrkingcat2
    @mrkingcat2 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

    A discussion challenging the concensus, popular culture and the scientific dogma. Thank you hoover institute

    • @bernardfox9078
      @bernardfox9078 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      How does this discussion challenge scientific convention. No one is claiming to be able to explain how the cell evolved. What scientific convention are they challenging? This is just arguing against nothing and proposing nothing. Can he ask them both what their alternative is ? No because it would immediately shut down this discussion.

  • @knaupp
    @knaupp หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Best part is at 44:30 where Tour explains that we still don't know what makes a call function. The top scientists can't explain what is "lost" from a cell seconds after the cell "dies" because it still has all the chemical components, yet something is lost. That something is not found in DNA or anywhere else. Its like "the force" in star wars because we don't know what it is, we just know it makes things tick.

    • @robertrice7952
      @robertrice7952 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Ah yes, another example of we don't know yet, therefore, God did it.

    • @aJones-hv5ny
      @aJones-hv5ny หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@robertrice7952 - Ah yes, another example of "We don't have a scientific explanation, but it can't be God."

    • @dj_d
      @dj_d หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@robertrice7952 no mention of God, you’re just projecting.

    • @rubiks6
      @rubiks6 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@robertrice7952 - Kind of reminds me of "Oh, we don't know, therefore evolution ...". Give me a break. Is that the best you can do?

    • @jozvlcko7103
      @jozvlcko7103 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@robertrice7952This is a pure strawman. Tour says we need a better theory of the origin of life. We’ll never get it if we just keep saying this and stay at the same place.

  • @marynunn1708
    @marynunn1708 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Easily the most profound and important issues facing today’s study of origins. Yet the willingly ignorant majority of the science community will proceed straining at gnats while swallowing camels because that’s where the research funding is focused. Bravo to all three of you for shining the light into the darkness and demonstrating the emperor of this world truly is naked. You all rock!

  • @user-bw1dv3iq9x
    @user-bw1dv3iq9x หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Yessss!!! I will fall asleep listening to this. And will listen to it again tomorrow when I am awake. I cannot get enough of this topic.

  • @wrippley103
    @wrippley103 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    The real myth busters, thank you, gentlemen.

  • @tim2muntu954
    @tim2muntu954 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    I have yet to hear of anyone attributing the inscriptions on the Rosetta stone (discovered by Bouchard) to random processes. To attribute those inscriptions to intelligent agency is not only a scientific observation, but any attribution of these inscriptions to random processes instead would be regarded as laughable.
    The DNA code in the cell (discovered by Watson & Crick) is far more complex, and FAR more unlikely than the inscriptions on the Rosetta stone. To prefer random processes to explain the DNA code, over the other explanation, that the ONLY known source of code is intelligent agency, is not only laughable, but clearly motivated by deeper imperatives; probably dominance contestation.

    • @stevengeorge4322
      @stevengeorge4322 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Then what is the other, or any, other explanation? You dismiss this theory without giving an alternative.

  • @rondamaycraig
    @rondamaycraig หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This is the first time I’ve heard someone other than myself make the time objection - the idea that the first structure would be able to survive this supposed primordial soup and form the ability to replicate enough that they all survive and kick off the arc of life seemed ridiculous to me - and stumped every professor of biology and chemistry I had.

    • @nuggsrocks1
      @nuggsrocks1 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      i think you're underestimating how easily bacteria replicates itself

  • @parochial2356
    @parochial2356 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

    One of the best, if not the best, UK episode I have yet watched. Peter Robinson is an excellent interviewer. Meyer and Tour are 2 fantastic minds and make for an excellent episode.

    • @Sergiuss555
      @Sergiuss555 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's a very mid level pedaling of the same old creationists "arguments".

  • @ikemiracle4841
    @ikemiracle4841 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

    The fact is that the universe screams out that there's a designer, this is something that was 100% obvious in the far past until recently some scientists began to convince us that a garden had no gardner, a code had no coder and a car had no machanical engineer.

    • @nohandle257
      @nohandle257 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      And maggots spontaneously arose from rotting meat.

    • @guydegroof2217
      @guydegroof2217 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      But apparently stupidy can arise from a complex brain.
      There is no god,, grow up.

    • @dustinstewarttexas
      @dustinstewarttexas หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Who designed your alleged creator then? Lol

    • @idiotproofdalek
      @idiotproofdalek 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What other universes can you compare it to, to say it is designed rather than anything else?

    • @saturdaysequalsyouth
      @saturdaysequalsyouth 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I’m not hearing that from the universe. You can believe that if you want but I don’t see it.

  • @itsmatt2105
    @itsmatt2105 หลายเดือนก่อน +103

    Scientist here, I've been saying for years that the evolutionists have put the cart before the horse with their theory. They have built extremely elaborate fantasy castles in the air.

    • @thilinagamage2569
      @thilinagamage2569 หลายเดือนก่อน

      true that!

    • @BHFWaterloo
      @BHFWaterloo 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, for sure they are the one who believes in fairy tales I actually believe in the one true living God who created all things

    • @billyruffian1426
      @billyruffian1426 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Not really. Biological evolution - Darwinism - is a phenomenon in and of itself, and can be studied and understood without consideration for the origin of life; in the same way that physicists are allowed to study, model and attempt to understand the universe in the absence of an explanation for its origin.

    • @radwanabu-issa4350
      @radwanabu-issa4350 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      How you explain or what is your best guess of the diversity among extant and extinct organisms for the last 3.8 billion years on planet earth?

    • @Grantman-wy6zl
      @Grantman-wy6zl 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      What is an evolutionist😮

  • @drchristopherjsernaque
    @drchristopherjsernaque หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    Dr. Meyer and Dr. Tour are awesome!

  • @savebyj
    @savebyj หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    "James Tour is performing chemical accounting on the OOL researchers." Well said, and it explains their disdain for him revealing that they are cooking the books.

  • @Third_Camp_fellowship
    @Third_Camp_fellowship หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Love them together. The philosophy of science and science. Biology and Chemistry. Beautiful.

  • @SherryApanay-oi9bw
    @SherryApanay-oi9bw หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Loved this very interesting conversation between such learned men. Thank you!

  • @tiffanymagee2700
    @tiffanymagee2700 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Such an incredible discussion!! I learn somethingvevery time I listen to Dr. Meyer and Dr. Tour!!

  • @sonofode902
    @sonofode902 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    The problem is those who claim to know how life begin not only stall but also discourage and deter those who try to know.
    Contrary to many false accusations, those who believe God is the final cause, they are the ones who try to know how God did it. They do not settle with, God did it, therefore no need to know how. God ordered them to seek to know. To know how is the step to know why.
    The why is the hole that every sages from the past to the present driven to fill.
    On the other side, to those who believe it is random, the question of why is already answered which is no reason
    Thus why really bother to spend the time and effort to know the how. Just get those money, grants to sustain their meaningless existance (by their own admission just ask them yourself, what is the meaning of life)
    The random dudes get in the way of the design dudes.

    • @bangrojai4868
      @bangrojai4868 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      😂😂😂, a brutal honest opinion. They dont have right to do something but do that because the money is good.

  • @DARDA360
    @DARDA360 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    "The notion that not only the biopolymer but the operating program of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial organic soup here on the Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order." -- Fred Hoyle -- he likened the theory to "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein"

    • @Lancet75
      @Lancet75 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hoyle's remark is obsolete: Boeing 747 is a bad simile.

    • @WayneLynch69
      @WayneLynch69 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Lancet75 th-cam.com/video/xIHMnD2FDeY/w-d-xo.html
      Dawkins sits mute/deaf/sub-moronic as actual achieved biologists, 2 Nobel laureates
      and Craig Venter ALL say: "it is IMPOSSIBLE that humans will EVER know life's origin".
      NOTHING about "abiogenesis" has advanced in the most utterly de minimis since Hoyle's
      metaphor. Chpt. 4 of The God Delusion, Dawkins invokes it only to elide out of ignorance
      or duplicity to existing life...CONVENIENTLY skipping addressing Hoyle's immutable truth.
      Other perhaps than Lee Cronin's famous; "origin of life science is a SCAM"

    • @dennisward43
      @dennisward43 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Actually just the opposite. A thousand tornados would break down a junk-yard into almost atomic elements. Life and evolution began from basic materials that existed at the time. Why is this so hard to contemplate?

  • @rightsidewarrior2010
    @rightsidewarrior2010 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    In the origin of life there must be specific purposeful information which gives rise to that life. Where did the information, the epigenetic coding in the cell, originate?

  • @HarryVerey
    @HarryVerey หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    We do not seem to hear much mention of the work of Sir Fred Hoyle these days who published his book the "Intelligent Universe" in 1983. .To quote Hoyle: Did life start as a random process? No. "Imagine a blindfolded person trying to solve the Rubik cube. The chance against achieving perfect colour matching is about 50,000,000,000,000,000,000, to 1. These odds are about the same as those against just one of our body's 200,000 proteins having evolved randomly by chance" . Great interview.

  • @b52-hnukesr69
    @b52-hnukesr69 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    This chemical engineer hit the nail on the head, the scientist in the field of origin of life keep it going for the funding. To believe in intelligent design takes out the science. But it doesn’t, it still gives man a goal to unravel how it works. We may not figure out who designed life until we die, but faith helps get past that.

  • @bobsmith-ji2uh
    @bobsmith-ji2uh หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    Oh boy the comment section is upset. Take it easy. People can have different ideas and share them. If you don’t think they have any validity so be it.

    • @PlzNo25
      @PlzNo25 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Very much agree.

    • @ifyoureadthisyoudi
      @ifyoureadthisyoudi หลายเดือนก่อน

      There is a difference between conflictingn viewpoints and being plain wrong. I can say gravity doesn't exist, is that a different idea?

  • @NoiTuLovE64
    @NoiTuLovE64 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    One hundred and sixty five years later since "Origin of Species", and we're right back to where we started from, God said.

    • @jraelien5798
      @jraelien5798 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      No, we are definitely not.

  • @whosweptmymines3956
    @whosweptmymines3956 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I love this kind of discussion!

  • @JamesFoard-le3nz
    @JamesFoard-le3nz 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    We get an unnerving insight into Darwin's character from an entry he made in his personal ledger during his voyage on the Beagle. While he was journeying through the Argentine pampas in South America there was a bloody slaughter of the indigenous natives taking place, conducted by the rogue General Juan Manuel de Roses, a self proclaimed despot, in 1833. Indian women and children were thrust through with saber and shot down like hunted animals.
    Darwin traveled through the territory as a guest of the General, and he wrote of the war in his diary:
    " . . . women who appear over twenty years of age are massacred in cold blood while the children are sold into slavery" however he was also able to write on a lighter note: "This war of extirmination (sic), although carried on with the most shocking barbarity, will certainly produce great benefits, it will at once throw open four or five hundred miles in length of fine country for the produce of cattle." Beagle Diary, by Charles Darwin, edited by R.D. Keynes, 1988, pp.180-181, pp177; and The Correspondence of Charles Darwin, Vol. 1, pp.326, 1821-1861, F.H. Burkhardt and S. Smith ed., Cambridge University Press, University Library, Cambridge, 1983-1984
    Practical man that he was, Darwin could definitely see the positive side of this genocide. Perhaps if there had been electric lighting back then Darwin might have also come up with some novel ideas for interior design with the by-products of this slaughter, as some of his followers in the twentieth century did during the holocaust.
    Desmond and Moore wrote that "Darwin shook a hand soaked in blood" when he struck up his acquaintance with General Rosas, whom he decribed as "a perfect gaucho." Desmond and Moore, Darwin, pp. 141.
    While Darwin was a guest of the General, who had loaned Darwin some of his horses to go exploring on during his sojourn in Argentina, he received a correspondence from Fitzroy back on the ship, who desired to know how Darwin's "campaign with General Rosas" was going.
    Desmond and Moore report: "Well armed, with fresh horses and ruthless companions, he had little to fear from the hostiles. Indeed he was beginning to appreciate the 'great benefits' of General Rosas' 'war of extermination ." (Ibid, pp. 141)
    In Darwin's mind it was all fairly simple: "Less Indians => more cattle => healthier Spaniards: Survival of the fittest!" (Although the term "survival of the fittest" was not coined until the 1850's by another rogue, Herbert Spencer, founder of the modern pseudo-science of sociology and from whose work the communists and national socialists in the twentieth century built their dark machinations with, Darwin clearly had the concept buttoned down in his notes years before)
    Apparently the slaughter of the Indians didn't weigh too heavily on his conscience, for Darwin boasted when describing his living conditions while riding with Rosas' men: "I . . .drink my Mattee; smoke my cigar, then lie down & sleep as comfortably with the Heavens for a canopy as in a feather bed." Charles Darwin, The Correspondence of Charles Darwin, Vols.. 1-9, (1821-1861), Cambridge University Press, See also Browne, pp. 256-257 and Desmond and Moore, pp.141.

  • @DrBrianKeating
    @DrBrianKeating หลายเดือนก่อน +54

    Very thought provoking. Thanks.

    • @jamesmiller7457
      @jamesmiller7457 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Wow! Nice comment from Dr. Keating. It must have been good. "Professor " Dave must be next!

    • @notloki3377
      @notloki3377 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@jamesmiller7457 professor dave is too busy shouting at his webcam

    • @jamesmiller7457
      @jamesmiller7457 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@notloki3377 good point

    • @PoulStaugaard
      @PoulStaugaard 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Actually, Professor Dave has already made a huge effort debunking James Tour: th-cam.com/play/PLybg94GvOJ9HzCxBR9f4oi7MvfVcKAS6O.html
      The one who tends to shout is in actually James Tour, as in his debate with Dave Farina: th-cam.com/video/KvGdllx9pJU/w-d-xo.html

  • @borneandayak6725
    @borneandayak6725 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    This will open the question about the divine origin of life.

  • @Serguil
    @Serguil หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    This is strong. Thank you

  • @leezhou2199
    @leezhou2199 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    This is a great discussion, even though it takes a lot of background knowledge to understand the topics being discussed.
    Time will reveal the importance of this series of discussions.

  • @the1joyster
    @the1joyster หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Every theory must be reexamined as new science and studies develop. If something is true it should stand scrutiny. This is the true essence of debate and therefore the cornerstone of a civilized enlightened society.

    • @KPICW
      @KPICW หลายเดือนก่อน

      but nothing has been proven true about the origin of life, that's why research and experiments continue, these 2 are just saying "it's too hard for US to understand, so God or aliens must have created life on earth". Intelligent design is not science, it offers no testable hypothesis.

    • @kipnich
      @kipnich หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are we a “civilized and enlightened society”?

    • @ricklambert9856
      @ricklambert9856 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But if that scrutiny is squeed with mega $$$ being thrown into the questioning process in order to direct the outcome to a predetermined result how can true answers come to light. Scientist know in their heads & hearts the fakery of evolution BUT they must play "the game" so they can get paid on Friday. There's no courage in science. And who suffers ... the next generation being feed the lies and worked into the system.

  • @sapatomaluco
    @sapatomaluco หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Towards the end, when Stephen mentioned the students saying "no waaayyy" while learning what's happening inside the cell I wanted to laugh out loud, because that was ME in the early 90's, so over 30 years ago, in high school, learning biology. I remember clearly when I learned mitosis and the duplicated DNA chromosomes being pulled apart and then the cell dividing itself in two. That totally blew my mind. And it is just one of the millions of possible examples. As Dr James pointed, it's not just the DNA information storage. The whole thing SCREAMS design, wherever you look. If so many scientists weren't pushing their atheist religious dogmas so blindly, we could be making more progress. But then, would they be willing to confess they just don't know and they are even more clueless about it, the better microscopes get?

  • @geotech6
    @geotech6 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Tour and Meyer are brilliant gentlemen, and i like millions of others became a believer (Christian) from a scientific perspective, not indoctrinated as a child (grew up in an agnostic family). The complexity and the evidence of design cannot be denied anymore, something created our species and all life on earth.

  • @josephrieger4224
    @josephrieger4224 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Loved it. Peter, Stephen and James give us a pretty good place to start, honesty and humility sparking fresh amazement.

  • @ryanaustin-11
    @ryanaustin-11 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    James Tour is so Great by the highest standards and yet he is still trying to tell everybody about Jesus Christ.. that’s incredible and it totally Strengthens my faith

  • @geneballay9590
    @geneballay9590 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Wow, what a fantastic, well done, educational and informative video. Thank you for all the work (Peter Robinson & Guests) and for then sharing.

  • @seaknightvirchow8131
    @seaknightvirchow8131 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really treasure what Tour and Meyers are providing apologetics. Peter reminds me of Socrates as presented by Plato. Socrates claims to know nothing but knows his limitations of knowledge. These are three men who are not only intelligent but also wise. I could only wish that everyone would realize that all the pillars of neo Darwinian evolution have crumbled: abiogenesis, mutations plus natural selection, and the fossil record. Nevertheless, it is all the atheist has to cling to. The late Stephen J Gould knew that much of textbook orthodoxy was not supported by the data.

  • @praxitelispraxitelous7061
    @praxitelispraxitelous7061 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Thank you for bringing together Meyer with Tour. That was a fantastic discussion

  • @Eternal1811
    @Eternal1811 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Another awesome discussion. Please host more!!!

  • @robertbeniston
    @robertbeniston 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    The problem is,life is not physical it is spirit. So any scientific theory that confines itself to only the physical will fail.

  • @raymondswenson1268
    @raymondswenson1268 หลายเดือนก่อน +155

    People who cannot contemplate the scientific facts discussed here are AFRAID of scientific truth. They are suffering from Creator-phobia.

    • @DouglasLippi
      @DouglasLippi หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      A creator is not the answer. It just poses more questions in infinitum. Who or what created the creator? I believe this is unknowable. Just like the creation of the universe. Unknowable.

    • @chrispark2698
      @chrispark2698 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      ​@@DouglasLippi Nothing created the Creator. The Creator is the Prime Reality, the First Mover, the Uncaused Cause.
      If you're asking that question, you really need to read some more philosophy.

    • @galileog8945
      @galileog8945 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@chrispark2698 You need to study philosophy. A creator does not explain anything more than "we have no idea". Then let us stay with " we have no idea" and the Occam razor.

    • @johnglad5
      @johnglad5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@DouglasLippi God created time, space and matter. He exists outside of these. 27:27 This is impossible for us to comprehend.

    • @floydfanboy2948
      @floydfanboy2948 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Exactly, the idea of a Creator scares them. Because a Creator implies a LOT of things that they just can't accept.

  • @SA61977
    @SA61977 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I never tire of listening to these two men.

  • @poetmaggie1
    @poetmaggie1 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    We can't find answers if we refuse to accept evidence because we don't like it.

  • @1969cmp
    @1969cmp หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a former materialistic evolutionist and atheist, it was evidence for catastrophic fluvial geomorphology that opened the door for me to explore Genesis from the view that its primarily an historical text.
    Genetics and microbiology, ancient accounts, the fossil record and so much more points to Genesis as being plain history.

    • @collin501
      @collin501 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Do you hold to theistic evolution?

    • @casparuskruger4807
      @casparuskruger4807 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      // As a former materialistic evolutionist and atheist //
      Was that lobotomy painful?

    • @1969cmp
      @1969cmp 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No. It's a waste of time both in terms of science, history and theology. ​@@collin501

  • @jeffwolfe191
    @jeffwolfe191 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm not a big evolution guy but I enjoy watching these debates.

  • @bumpkinskill
    @bumpkinskill หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    "For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse."--Romans 1:20

  • @pq2667
    @pq2667 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    exquisite!
    Thank you so very much.

  • @ToddClemmer
    @ToddClemmer 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Humanity will never unravel the origins of life. Ever .

  • @themeek351
    @themeek351 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We can barely comprehend lifeless nanotechnology, let alone the advanced biotechnology that we are!

  • @peterockbx
    @peterockbx หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Once again a great conversation from the Hoover Institution basically showing how science disproves a self organizational process and how clueless we are when it comes to origin of life questions.

    • @analogia_entis
      @analogia_entis หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      but I don't think it is clueless. You can't know that someting exists without any further info. I know you had a father but his existence IS absolutely all I know.

  • @jwilson9096
    @jwilson9096 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    great session

  • @b.alexanderjohnstone9774
    @b.alexanderjohnstone9774 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Not only is Peter the best interviewer but he is prepared to cover these, er, rather important things, otherwise all but ignored.

  • @lgsbharv5221
    @lgsbharv5221 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I really enjoy these talks main stream science is finally coming around to intelligent design

  • @MichaelMcDonald-lu3et
    @MichaelMcDonald-lu3et หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    Can get enough of this topic. Its tte least talked about most important topic. We ve been dumbed down to barely think about by the Marxist educational system

    • @KPICW
      @KPICW หลายเดือนก่อน

      Are you high? This is the opposite of thinking. These dopes are just saying "we haven't been able to figure it out so it must have been inexplicable divine forces or aliens"

    • @jamesmiller7457
      @jamesmiller7457 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Way down!! A lot of Mr. Smith's in the comment section.

    • @klouis1886
      @klouis1886 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      How is our system Marxist?

    • @user-pt6ug5ug3m
      @user-pt6ug5ug3m หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is not taught in schools as science, for the same reason that flat earth is not taught.
      It has no relevance.

    • @jamesmiller7457
      @jamesmiller7457 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@klouis1886 Wow! There are literally books 📚 written on the topic. It is SO easy to research.

  • @woodlyz
    @woodlyz หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Fascinating conversation. Thank you for sharing

  • @chrisfrench8323
    @chrisfrench8323 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    When Steven Meyer and James Tour arrive in heaven, God is going to say to each, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant." These two men have taken such abuse for stating the obvious. Such courage is inspiring, amazing and worthy of honor and respect.

  • @maryspencer4274
    @maryspencer4274 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Delightful, honest, thrilling discussion.

  • @edenrosest
    @edenrosest หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Beautiful conversation!

  • @Anmathews
    @Anmathews หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    "The Spirit moved over the waters". Life came from the Spirit of God the Father and the Son.

  • @CdA_Native
    @CdA_Native 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I want to thank the three of you for an extremely lucid discussion about the most amazing subject in the universe: Life.
    Long will it remain a mystery, and the subject of study.

  • @nelsonantolin4806
    @nelsonantolin4806 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Great interview!

  • @RodMartinJr
    @RodMartinJr หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Three men with whom I would be delighted to have a conversation... or two. *_Wonderful._*
    😎♥✝🇺🇸💯

  • @michaelasciencbrooke9826
    @michaelasciencbrooke9826 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I sympathize with ignorance, not knowing, but not knowing as an argument favouriing the interposition of intelligent design seems fantastically syolgistic.

    • @collin501
      @collin501 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you have two options, designed or not designed, and you’re ignorant in either direction, do you put designed as equally plausible?

    • @mickeymckenna4869
      @mickeymckenna4869 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't think you know what the word syllogistic means. A syllogism is just a form of reasoning. All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore Socrates is mortal. It sounds like you think the argument is fantastically fallacious.

  • @danielduarte5073
    @danielduarte5073 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Outstanding interview and information. !!!!!

  • @shuikuan
    @shuikuan 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    1) “intelligent design is the best explanation for the ultimate origin of biological information” 33:24 … it’s not an explanation, it’s an label / excuse for not having one

  • @Bedlam_6
    @Bedlam_6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you so much for this amazing discussion. Thank you for your courage and honesty. All three of you are using the talents given to you by your Designer to the utmost.

  • @tim2muntu954
    @tim2muntu954 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Why does Robinson seem to have so much difficulty imagining there may be people who care more for the truth than their own careers? That's what ACTUAL science requires.

    • @johnl5316
      @johnl5316 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He gets it. It is an interviewing style

  • @tizza963
    @tizza963 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    These two men are BASED. Thank you for this great video!

  • @robertandpauline
    @robertandpauline หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Great conversation.

  • @duelingdualities9
    @duelingdualities9 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    True scientists ❤. Dr. Tour is the best! Thank you for having these two future Nobel Peace Laureates on your show. The world needs more men like these. Thank you, gentlemen

  • @janed811
    @janed811 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Oh this is going to be good! My favorite scientists and philosopher!

  • @WhosMolly
    @WhosMolly หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a fun discussion. Love these guys.

  • @eltomas3634
    @eltomas3634 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A living cell occurring on Earth would be like a three story house occurring in the desert. But not just a three story house, but also finding the blue prints for how the house was built and maintained. And the house would have had to have builders that could read the blueprints and have arms and legs and a bunch of tools. And of course, these builders would need very specific materials at certain times and in a particular order. And also there is a danger of rain, fire, drought and other conditions while the building was going on.
    There is just no way possible something like a cell or a house just came about on it's own and for no reason to come about.

    • @nuggsrocks1
      @nuggsrocks1 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      this is a dramatic misrepresentation of abiogenesis theory

  • @TheWildColonialBoyAus
    @TheWildColonialBoyAus 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Absolutely fascinating these gentlemen have a wonderful way of explaining something that is mind boggling, thank you for sharing your knowledge and passion with us all

  • @ymma2230
    @ymma2230 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A great discussion. Very, very elegant.

  • @simonbassett818
    @simonbassett818 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How the first cells appeared is a bigger mystery than we think.

  • @kathyhentschel8104
    @kathyhentschel8104 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for this very thoughtful conversation!

  • @yeshualifeorg918
    @yeshualifeorg918 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Peter is a master at what he does. How much homework does this dude do prior to these interviews?

  • @8028rsj
    @8028rsj หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fall to our knees everyday !!! Powerful stuff guys....the modern athiest is on shaky ground...this is almost like Jonah telling Nineva to repent and they beleiving him and doing it.

  • @JamesFoard-le3nz
    @JamesFoard-le3nz 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Much has been said by historians of Darwin's observations of the finches on the Galapagos islands while sailing on the Beagle, but little is mentioned of another incident Darwin had with some less fortunate birds on a different island during his voyage. We have three accounts of an excursion made by Darwin and the Captain from the Beagle to St. Paul's Rocks between the Cape Verde Islands and the coast of Brazil.
    First we shall read Darwin's version of the episode: " We found on St. Paul's only two kinds of birds-the booby and the noddy. The former is a species of Gannet, and the latter a tern. Both are of a tame and stupid disposition, and are so unaccustomed to visitors, that I could have killed any number of them with my geologic hammer." The Voyage of Charles Darwin, Charles Darwin, pp.10, The American Museum of Natural History, The Natural History Library, Anchor Books, Doubleday & Co., Inc., Garden City New York, 1962.
    Browne mentioned the appalling incident in her biography of Darwin: " Uninhabited except for dense flocks of seafowl, and previously unvisited by any scientific recorder, they were an alluring target for a restless naval man and an eager friend . . . Darwin and Fitzroy had a marvelous time of it, whooping and killing birds with abandon". Browne, pp.204. See also the original, Narrative of the Surveying Voyage of H.M.S. Adventure and Beagle, Vol. 2:56.
    Fitzroy recorded the bloody scene in his personal narrative as well. According to him, one of the seamen asked if he could borrow Darwin's hammer to kill some of the birds with, to which Darwin replied, "No, no, you'll break the handle." Then, apparently struck by the novelty of this idea, Darwin himself picked up his hammer and began killing the peaceful birds in this manner, as Fitzroy related "away went the hammer, with all the force of his own right arm." Narrative of the Voyages of the Adventure and Beagle, by Admiral Fitzroy, 1839. See also Amabel Williams Ellis, "The Voyage of the Beagle, Adapted from the Narratives and letters of Charles Darwin and Captain Fitzroy, pp. 26, J.B. Lippencott Co., Philadelphia and London, 1931.

  • @johnbrown4568
    @johnbrown4568 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for posting this interview

  • @Layefamax
    @Layefamax 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I was so hooked. This is so enlightening😊

  • @susannaemmerich1166
    @susannaemmerich1166 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In plain language, the more we know, the more we dont.🙃🙏💕🇿🇦

  • @kimhelton5514
    @kimhelton5514 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank You

  • @Eagleeye3200
    @Eagleeye3200 หลายเดือนก่อน

    am addicted to Hoover Videos now

  • @nil1473
    @nil1473 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for this amazing interview 🙏🙏❤

  • @gabrielderman974
    @gabrielderman974 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Peter, well done !! What a program you have made with Estelar guests and how much you know about the subject at hand.
    No layman there !!
    Mazal Tov !!!!!

  • @stellarwind1946
    @stellarwind1946 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Evolutionary biologists have never been able to explain why sexual reproduction was naturally selected over the much more efficient (50%) asexual reproduction in a highly competitive world.

    • @nuggsrocks1
      @nuggsrocks1 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      sexual reproduction has other advantages over asexual reproduction, most notably the genetic diversity that it leads to.

  • @homewall744
    @homewall744 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If it didn't require intelligence to create the universe, solar system, Earth and its moon, why are you so sure intelligence is required to create life on Earth?

    • @peterwapel
      @peterwapel หลายเดือนก่อน

      Please watch this interview again!

    • @nielsqbc4
      @nielsqbc4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Who says intelligence was not needed for the universe?

  • @jeff3olsen
    @jeff3olsen หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I believe: "all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth, and all things that are upon the face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there is a Supreme Creator."
    - Alma 30:44

  • @joebeatty7961
    @joebeatty7961 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great discussion.

  • @FrederickNewirthIV-jd5cs
    @FrederickNewirthIV-jd5cs 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A most fascinating & highly rejuvenating discussion. Enlightening. Inspires an inward assessment of self. Inspires one to reconsider our scientific foundation & brings about intrigue, potentially drawing connections between areas of impasse in fields of science & fundamental reconsideration as ontological shock overcomes those who flaunted immunity. Foundations crumbled overnight & all this without weaving “ Disclosure “ into this fun sweater we underestimated the itchiness of.
    ‘How to think’ is a learned skill which became (dulled) in recent history in those aspects in which ‘the line of reason’ diminished so greatly that this evaporation suddenly found humankind & scientific establishment to re-hone the thinking talents which exponentially ushered in THE AGE OF ADVANCEMENT to begin with.
    Not only has the sharpener itself been lost, nobody recalls a manual or mode of operation.