Dr. James Tour: How Did Life Come into Being?
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- A conversation between Dr. James Tour and Socrates in the City host Eric Metaxas on the topic "How Did Life Come into Being?" Dr. Tour is presently the T. T. and W. F. Chao Professor of Chemistry, Professor of Computer Science, and Professor of Materials Science and NanoEngineering at Rice University. He is widely regarded as among the leading nano-scientists in the world.
This event took place at the River Oaks Country Club in Houston, Texas in October 2022. Learn more about Socrates in the City at socratesinthecity.com. - บันเทิง
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Im not being scientific here, but Dr Tour's enthusiasm and love for science and Jesus is adorable.
His legacy will be his braying claque of science hating morons.
It's honestly motivating for me, I'm a new Christian and a millennial and I'm so happy God revealed this wonderful man to me ❤
@@daMillenialTrucker What science have you learned, being motivated by this lying fanatic?
Is god running TH-cam now ?
@Edward Armstrong What evidence do you need? What would convince you?
I hadn't realized that Socrates in the City was back. This is wonderful.
What is happening today to Dr Tour happens to a lot of scientist who dare to question Darwinism. It was through this documentary by Ben Stein called 'Expelled' that I realized how science become politicized to favor a materialistic/atheistic view. it is very sad. I hope that more and more scientist speak up.
Thank you Dr Tour for your courage and may the Lord bless you more and take care of you!
It's a propaganda film. It was derided as such.
@@davidbutler1857 You're so full of it. Oh! Us atheists called it propaganda so it's what I say it is.
I studied for a summer class under Lynn Margulis and she despised Neo-Darwinism mainly she said was how wrong it was. Although I think it was also because of how the dogmatists hated her hypothesis of Endosymbiosis and berated her. She was right and Neo-Darwinism is an unfalsifiable pile of nonsense. Cancel culture began in academia.
@@MountainFisher Margulis had many problems and she wasn’t right about everything she believed
@@MountainFisher Margulis was an evolutionary biologist- not a creationist. Her theory was rejected- then accepted.
What was that about cancel culture? Surely you don’t mean teachers being fired from religious schools for teaching the science of evolution? Surely not…
@@mcmanustony Read what I said about her, you're trying to blow smoke and talking about something I didn't write about. Lynn by the way despised Neo-Darwinism, but not Darwin. Go educate yourself, I took her class in 1973 on a sabbatical. See how the orthodox dogmatists of her day treated her. Read her biography by her son Dorion Sagan.
The Life and Legacy of a Scientific Rebel
In complex organisms, each cell appears to have its own consciousness and they all follow collective consciousness. I once watched a video of a white blood cell hunting a single cell parasite, to my shock, the parasite was "running" away and actually appeared to seek a hiding place!
Life is truly amazing far from the protoplasm I studied in the early age...
You should read "The Secret Language of Cells" by Dr. Jon Lieff. He doesn't claim sentience/consciousness on the cellular or molecular level, but that's definitely what his work outlined in that book shows.
Dr. Lewis Thomas describes similar in “The Lives of a Cell.”
@@shirleymason7697 Thank you for the book reference.
You mentioned protoplasm. And, materialistic scientists will NOT be able to create a protoplasm from lifeless molecules. Because Life is Not Inherent in mechanistic atoms and lifeless molecules.
@@steveflorida8699 If a single living cell just died and all its components are still intact and in order, they couldn't bring it back to life. They still don't know what life is.
Thank you for all your hard work Dr James Tour!
NONE of it involves Origin of Life research.
@@mcmanustony Yes it does
@@user-tl3ev1gv9s Here's a list of every peer reviewed publication from Tour's catalogue of research involving origin of life research.
1.
That's it.
You're wrong.
@@user-tl3ev1gv9s Can you tell us about Tour's research into Origin of Life? What's his most significant contribution to our understanding of the emergence of the biosphere?
He is a national treasure. Keep up the fight for Truth, Dr. Tour. Bravo!
Actually a relentless liar and a disgrace to his profession.
truth???? wow
@@mcmanustony care to elaborate?
@@tylerconrad453 His attacks on Origin of Life research are deeply dishonest and motivated purely by religion.
He claimed to have found fatal flaws in peer reviewed research of Professor Jack Szostak, Nobel Prize winner and leading Origin of Life researcher. Had he actually done this his professional obligation would be to submit a rebuttal or correction to the journal in question- top tier publication "Nature", THE most prestigious journal in the life sciences. He didn't do that. Instead he headed off to a gathering of creationists organised by the anti-science Christian fundamentalist pressure group, the Discovery Institute where, in front of a congregation of Southern Baptists- not a demographic known for scientific literacy- he proceeded to have an unhinged screaming fit smearing the entire field and slandering Szostak in particular. He proceeded to ridicule a branch of science of which he has ZERO experience making great pains to point out that the paper he was screaming about was the peer reviewed literature. He informed the congregation at ear splitting volume that Szostak was lyin.....excuse me......ahem...."HEEEEEZZZ LIEEEEEYINNNNNNGGGGGG TOOOOOOOOO YOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!" As he basked in the guffaws and cackles of the "experts" in the audience
Of course it turned out it was Tour who was LIEEEYINGGGGGG. The article in Nature (all of 2 pages) was in an expository edition highlighting, for a non-specialist audience, some of the important areas of scientific research. It was NOT PEER REVIEWED research and Tour knew damn fucking well it wasn't.
Tour was reamed by several scientists (ones with better professional ethics) and Tour called Szostak to "apologise". He has since LIED ABOUT THAT CALL, claiming falsely that Szostak basically conceded that Tour was right and that Szostak blamed the journal for including misleading illustrations. This is a pack of lies and confirmed as such by Jack Szostak.
His antics are an utter disgrace. His attacks on areas of science that he does not work in- evolutionary science- are despicable. They amount to narcissistic publicity stunts. He made a song and dance about buying lunch for any scientist willing to come to Rice and "explain evolution". Apparently there's a piano strapped to his arse and he can't walk across his own campus and ask any of SEVEN professors of evolutionary biology to help with his remedial education. Biologist Dr Nick Matzke took up his offer- Tour ran away.
His misrepresentations of the work of scientists like Szostak, Donna Blackmond, Lee Cronin, Steven Benner etc. are utterly shameful and have seriously damaged his reputation.
His legacy will not be his impressive body of peer reviewed research (not that he's above dishonestly inflating even that), it will be his cult, his braying claque of noisy, pig-ignorant, science hating morons.
@@tylerconrad453 Clear now?
Thank you for this discussion! I ran into Dr. Tour on TH-cam and have enjoyed him immensely. Beyond brilliant, he is kind, generous, humble...and FUNNY! When the battle over truth, especially scientific truth, is so infected with untruth, being able to laugh helps the brain relax and think about the big ideas. Thanks, Eric. Thanks, Dr. Tour!
JT is not a Christian, you have been deceived.
Jews and Christians believe in the same God. Why are you wasting your time here?
@@jimdandy9118 ,...Yes, both Jews and Christians believe in the same god, the god of the world. Neither of them believe in the God of the Bible. Both the Jews and Christians are 100% apostate from the God of the Bible.
Again, JT is not a Christian. His god is the false god of the Godless world. His religion is scientism, not Christianity.
@@seedsower678 Put down the crack. What is wrong with your brain?
@@jimdandy9118 ,.....I have given you the truth. The problem is the people of the church as well as the rest of the Godless world have all been taken so far away from Biblical truth, Biblical understanding, and Biblical reality that when confronted with some actual Biblical truth they will react just as you have.
You are steeped in deception, but of course those who are steeped in deception have no ability to recognize this fact, all they can do is revile the bringers of actual truth just as their fathers did to Jesus.
This is the difference between the few Jesus came to save, his chosen ones, his elect, that are spiritually alive, and those who fill all the 100% apostate churches who Jesus did not come to save, that all remain spiritually dead and blind. These react just as you have upon hearing actual truth. They are not of the truth and the truth is an offence to them.
Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
I love Dr Tour because he loves Jesus, who I believe inspires his work. ✝️🙏
*Insert vomit emoji*
@@MOSMASTERING Yes, Satan & many woke professors hate Jesus!
Appreciate this interview/discussion. Dr Tour is fantastic, what a smart man. So thankful that he is following God.
He is a dishonest, malignant fanatic. His attacks on Origin of Life research and his slanderous screaming fits at specific scientists are an utter disgrace to him.
Always a pleasure to take the Tour.
Love Brother Jim! Certainly appreciate his work and his TH-cam channel. Thank you, Eric for another great chat! Blessings
His work, that stuff he's employed to do, is in synthetic organic chemistry. Which of his many peer reviewed papers in that field was your favourite.....since you appreciate his work so much.....?
@@mcmanustony thank you for the question. I would have to say that Dr Tour's work with graphene is what I find most interesting in his area of science. More specifically the use of graphene ribbon, and it's potential uses to benefit people suffering from spinal injuries. Otherwise, I also appreciate his stance against the tide of false narratives in science. The fairytale of primordial ooze is not scientific, not merely because it is unobservable, but because it is mathematically impossible. Same goes for macroevolution, proven by the work of mathematics chair at Oxford, Dr John Lennox, and Dr Douglas Axe. A question that you might want to consider is this: why is the Hubble space telescope named after Edwin Hubble, even though it has been chronicled that his "great ideas" in science, were actually stolen from other scientists?
@@markmorris8410 thanks for the very depressing answer. I'd actually asked which actual paper of Tours. I doubt you've read any.
" I also appreciate his stance against the tide of false narratives in science."- you mean his screaming lies and abuse about Professor Jack Szostak to then bask in the cackles and guffaws of his congregation of scientifically illiterate Southern Baptists? That stance? That event when he slandered the entire field of Origin of Life research. That stance?
"The fairytale of primordial ooze is not scientific"- it was a valid hypothesis the testing of which led to a huge amount of further research. Perfectly scientific. The Miller Urey experiment showed the relative ease with which 20+ amino acids could be synthesised from very simply and abundant molecules- ammonia, methane, hydrogen and water. The focus has shifted to deep sea vents where life can exist in conditions of extreme pressure and temperatures.
" it is mathematically impossible."- according to whom? You?
" Same goes for macroevolution,"- I doubt you could define macroevolution with a gun to your head but since it's been observed in real time it would appear that you're wrong.
"proven by the work of mathematics chair at Oxford, Dr John Lennox," He is emeritus professor- meaning "retired". He was never chair of the dept- just professor. A legitimate credential, unlike so many of his creationist ilk but he hasn't published anything in mathematics in many years and his work was on the theory of infinite soluble groups- groups formed by successive abelian extensions. This is a branch of pure algebra of absolutely NO relevance to biology. NONE.
Douglas Axe likewise hasn't done any science in years and now works for a Christian fundamentalist pressure group that attacks science education. He did a ludicrous calculation about the formation of proteins- a comical, ex post facto exercise in generating Big Numbers by applying a nonsense probability distribution, ignoring selection and working backwards from the EXISTENCE of a particular protein. This is just laughable. It would rule out the existence of this deal of cards in front of me as the probability of this PARTICULAR order occurring is 1 in 8x10^67- an infinitesimally small number. The probability of *A* deal occurring is ONE. The probability of *A* protein forming is ONE. He is now reduced to giving presentations on "toddlers see design therefore design". How embarrassing.
Getting back to Tour. He is distinguished in his field of research- which is NOT Origin of Life or evolution. Outside of that he is an unhinged, unethical lying fanatic and an utter disgrace to his profession.
@@mcmanustony it didn't take long for you to show yourself insecurities.
@@markmorris8410 what a pathetic snotty response. Your inability to engage with the facts is duly noted.
Take a seat and work on your manners.
James Tour: He is one of the pillars of my preparation as a Self-Taught Apologist
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JT, is not even a Christian. You have been totally deceived.
@@seedsower678 seems quite a Christian to me. th-cam.com/video/A0uq727Fjbw/w-d-xo.html
@@panjan77 ,...All fake christians appear to be Christians. The appearance of something means nothing. The fact is, no matter how much one appears to be a Christian, the appearance means nothing and is not an indication of authentic Christianity. The whole 100% apostate church appears to be Christian, but the truth is, it is not and there are no Christians in the church.
JT's and the entire churches real religion is the Godless worlds false manmade religion of scientism, absolutely not the bibles Christianity. You have been deceived. JT and the whole apostate church are nothing but satan casting out satan.
@@seedsower678 sure
I'm just a normal person who was saved by grace and I believe, " In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". Thank you Dr. Tour and Socrates in the city.
Normal people don't watch Socrates in the..but your secret is safe with us 😆🤣
So..... nothing scientific whatsoever then. Just some words and blind belief in what you've been told.
God bless Tour and God bless Metaxas!! To be in the same room was such a delight.
Wow! This was really great, Eric! You knocked it out of the ballpark with this guest! What a delight to listen to and learn from! Absolutely loved it!
Have you ever thought about learning about Origin of Life research from scientists like Jack Szostak, Lee Cronin, John Sutherland, Matthew Powner, Nick Lane, Robert Hazen.......who, unlike that lying fanatic above, actually WORK IN IT?
@@mcmanustony Tour has debated a few of those men you mentioned. It’s interesting how gentlemen like Cronin can’t even define life, but insist that they will find a way to create it in a lab. Doesn’t that seem a bit illogical to you?
Besides, Tour’s whole point is that biology is not the answer to the beginning of life. Biology necessitates life in order to study life. Chemistry is how we learn about how life came to be, and more and more we see that God has his fingerprints all over it.
@@willdaugherty2842 who other than Cronin, whom Tour misrepresented and slandered, has he debated?
@@mcmanustony did you even finish this video all the way through? He mentions debates and conversations with multiple different people you have mentioned. just because he goes against your previously held worldview doesn’t mean he is a malicious slanderer. You seem to be coming into this issue with a lot of preconceived notions, unwilling to follow where the evidence leads. Fairly unscientific of you, don’t you think?
@@willdaugherty2842 he is a slanderer because he engaged in slander.
When did he debate Jack Szostak? I can give you the date he slandered him. When did he “debate” him?
When did he “debate” John Sutherland?
You made precise claims. Seems you’d rather not back them up.
When did he “debate” Prof Nick Lane?
When did he “debate” Addy Pross?
When did he “debate” Nita Sahai?
So Good to see James getting exposure, his work on ool and current discourse with the scientific field are well worth digesting. Thank you for this upload 🙏✝️
RM,.....The problem is, JT is not a Christian. His real religion is scientism same as the rest of the Godless world.
Ool?🎑
@@robynmarler1951 ,....I have no idea what you tried to say? Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
@@robynmarler1951 Origin Of Life, I believe. (And repent if appropriate.)
The Truth can not be stopped Dr. Tour. We stand with You. We stand with Science. We stand for the Truth.
Then you're standing with the wrong person. "DR" Tour is a con man pushing religion, not truth or real science.
He's arguing nonsense.
Dr. Tour ... wow... Love listening to him and thankful to YHVH that I'm blessed and proud to be on the same Team!
He's a lying fanatic who doesn't work in this field.
@@mcmanustony a youtube scrub calling a widely cited research professor a “lying lunatic” 😂
@@SKgyebaek
Given your exquisite sensitivity to people being identified as liars I can't imagine your horror and discomfort when Tour screamed his tits off to an audience of Southern Baptists that *Nobel Prize winning Harvard professor Jack Szostak* was lyin......excuse me.....ahem......"HEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZ LIEEEEEYINNGGGGGGGGG TOOOOO YOOOOOOO!!!!!!" Spare me the sanctimonious posturing. Tour is a relentless liar.
I post under my own name, have a public profile in the real world and can be easily identified and would happily call Tour a liar to his face and I'll happily share the details with you- if you can quit sneering long enough.
Tour is a distinguished professor of chemistry at Rice University, TX. He has an impressive body of peer reviewed research (though he's not above dishonestly inflating that). His fame has nothing to do with that work. He is well known in creationist circles because of his smear campaign aimed at evolutionary biology and Origin of Life research. His work involves neither. His 700 odd papers have at least two things in common- NONE has anything to do with OoL or evolution- and NONE has been read by his claque of drooling sycophants.
He claimed to have found serious flaws in peer reviewed research by Jack Szostak. Had he a shred of professional integrity he'd submit a rebuttal/ correction to the journal in question- in this case THE top tier journal "Nature". Did he do that? Of course he didn't. He headed to a congregation of Southern Baptists to bask in their pig-ignorant cackling, whooping and hollering as he "debunked" those liars in lab coats whose discoveries contradicted their myths. He called the ENTIRE FIELD liars! He singled out Jack Szostak for special abuse. Pointing to a Nature article he proceeded to have a hysterical screaming fit that this PEER REVIEWED PAPER was so simplistic and insubstantial only in OoL could they get away with it. "THOSE ARRRRR NAAAAHT SHOOOOGARRRSSSS!!!!!!" "HEEEEZZZZZ LIIEEEEEYYYINGGGG TOOOO YOOOOO". An utterly disgraceful and despicable spectacle from any grown adult let alone a professional scientist.
Of course, it turned out that Tour was LIEEEYIIINGGGGGG. The paper in question was an expository TWO PAGE piece in a special section of Nature for a GENERAL AUDIENCE and NOT peer reviewed research. Tour was rightfully reamed by many scientists for his scandalous antics.....and he called Szostak to "apologise"....and then LIED ABOUT SZOSTAK'S RESPONSE. Tour has since doubled down on the lies about Szostak and added a new whopper claiming Szostak conceded the diagrams in the article were wrong and blamed the journal. Szostak said nothing of the sort- saying simply that the diagrams were simplified to where a general audience could get the gist of his research.
Tour is or maybe WAS a distinguished scientist in his field. Outside of it- and OoL is FAR outside- he's an utter disgrace to his profession.
The explanation of how n why the nerves reconnect through Sheer force was so helpful. This stuff is mind blowing and so beyond me and the illustration of logs travelling down stream and realigning themselves was immensely helpful. Thank you!
Yes! And forces us to ask: Why is graphene present in the Covid vaccines?
@@denali9643 That's actually magnetic graphene, known as mGO. There are plenty of papers written on the use of such environments. That said, the substance is toxic and departed the areas they claimed it would reside.
Love Dr. Tour. Enjoy his TH-cam channel, don't understand a lot of it but it is great information.
The awesome thing about Truth is that; no matter how complex the subject matter, Truth, itself, is very and simplistic in nature. It's either yea or nay.
For instance; I don't need to understand the intricacies of the modern engine in order to know that it is highly unlikely that it assembled by chance, rather than by brilliant minds who designed it.
It's no surprise that Christ/The Word of God, who is the very essence of Truth, puts forth this concept.
2 Corinthians 11:3 KJVS
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the *simplicity that is in Christ*.
James 3:17 KJVS
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and *easy to be intreated*, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Delightful! It's fun to see Dr. Tour honored on this platform and to see his humorous side alongside his passion for truth. I thank God for this!
70 years is nothing it has been over 2000 years and nothing has developed in the biblical origin myth.
If you stop looking you will never find it
Indeed, jasonwiley, if you stop looking for God you will never find Him. People who sincerely follow Jesus Christ are passionate about telling the truth. Not just their own truth, but universal objective scientific truth.
Thank you Eric for having this very informative conversation with Dr. Tour. I learned so much and I’m very grateful that Dr. Tour continues to speak out and proclaim the scientific truth!
He is speaking on a field he doesn't work in and never has. Have you listened to the proclamations of those who do?
Jack Szostak? Addy Pross? John Sutherland? Nick Lane? Matthew Powner? Robert Hazen?
Anyone?
Im guessing the answer to my question is “no”….you listen to this hysterical lying fanatic and don’t bother with those who work in the field
What did you learn, I’m curious??
One of the best SITC episodes we have seen! Thank you!
100% agree!
What made it so good?? I’m curious.
@@myopenmind527 informative whilst being entertaining and simplified for understanding that nano technology has the wonderful potential for cures in health where there was no hope and in many other areas of our world. He was also able to put into perspective, the incredible complexity involved in developing a single molecule. As I understood it, the more they uncover, the more intricacies they find.
@@rose5566 oh he’s and expert in the specialty of chemical nanotechnology but he’s close to clueless about origin of life research.
I most watched because it’s such a laughter watching these guys be the laughingstock of humanity.
@@myopenmind527 I prefer to laugh at things that are actually funny. A scientist/researcher, of his stature, on the cusp of groundbreaking research that can change people’s lives, does not need to be sidetracked unless he sees something that needs to be clarified to the general population. I have great admiration for him, in that he has the courage to speak out against his colleagues while always remaining humble and respectful .
Great, wonderful talk ! We love dr Tour because of his wisdom and courage to name things properly ! God bless !
No, you love Tour because he denies the same science you do: knowledge that threatens your religious myths
@@mcmanustony Bruh you are under every comment spaming nonsense. Looks like you attacking something that threatnes your faith xD
@@RozkminTo I don't have any faith. I also don't need your permission to comment. The algorithm suggested this video so I watched it.
I despise Tour for his nauseating dishonesty and his disgraceful attacks on fellow scientists.
I notice you don't seem capable of addressing anything of substance.
@@mcmanustonywhat nonsense are you spewing?
@@Success1-xc4by not “spewing” anything- nonsense or otherwise. What is wrong with you?
What facts do you dispute- or do you not deal in facts?
Wow. Just wow.
And if God is with us, who can stand against us?
And I thought, Oh boy, an hour and a half video; this is going to be LONG! But in fact it sailed by very quickly and I find myself wanting more of it.
My thoughts exactly!
Thank you Eric. Thank you Dr. Tour. Totally made my day ! 🙂
Why, I’m curious?
I will be praying for you, Dr. Tour. Always be truthful.
Allay be truthful….a bit late for this disgraced, lying fanatic.
Great discussion. I know Dr. Tour's You Tube channel is growing but it is still no where near what I would expect for an explosive and important topic as this. I hope that more people become aware of his work through efforts like this. Thank you.
Didn't know and don't care. Theists watching the video are already primed to swallow anything that supports their belief regardless of and despite its disconnect with intellectual and scientific credibility. Theist approach is always grounded in confirmation bias - first believe and then try to manufacture reasons to justify what you already believe so they will eat up the garbage served by Tour. A closed mind gathers no knowledge.
However those with an open mind might note some of the negative comments thereby motivating them to check out PD videos from which thy can educate themselves. And just to show there are no hard feelings on my part, I hope for your sake that this surge of new visitors doesn’t stumble across the thread of our exchanges as that would just result in exposing how you kept flaunting the magnitude of your limitations to a greater audience. You’re welcome.
@@coniferviveur3788 Are you claiming that you have no bias whatsoever?
@@chrisreimers84 I doubt if it is possible for anyone to have ‘no bias whatsoever’ so in that context I don’t claim or imply my position can be without any bias whatsoever. However my comments about bias have been in the context of the logical fallacy of confirmation bias. This occurs when a position or belief is justified as a result of specifically selecting evidence or specifically formulating reasons with the preplanned purpose of only supporting the position or belief that had already been accepted at the outset. As well as a dishonest, confirmation bias is inherently intellectually fallacious thereby rendering the justification of any position or belief supported like this to be devoid of credibility or validity.
In opposition to this is rational thinking. Here a position or belief is reached based on and only after application of reason to objective evaluation of rationally credible evidence. While this approach cannot claim to assure validity its objectivity makes its outcomes indisputably more reliable and credible than the those arising from the predetermined charade masquerading as justification inherent with confirmation bias.
That’s why Tour’s position is intellectually and ethically fraudulent. His starting position is to prevent science from undermining his religious beliefs. This is a forlorn folly seeing as how science has delivered the entire modern world though the objectivity inherent in its methodology whereas his religious beliefs are grounded in the ancient mythology invented by superstitious peasants whose ignorance was so great they were mystified by where the sun went at night.
As scientific understanding continually progressed it kept confirming there is neither need nor basis for any god to account for the world in which we live. Believers have found themselves left with nothing but their ever shrinking god of the gaps which they posit as the basis for explanation anything science has still not fully explained. For thousands of years god(s) would have been the only explanation conceivable for the world but with the advance of science it became obvious how the world came to be without the need for any god(s). So claiming god as an explanation is just the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance and hence intellectually worthless. Abiogenesis along with the big bang antecedent state are the two front runners where theists resort to the argument from ignorance fallacy as the excuse to justify belief in god.
But those who still are still psychologically wedded to this ancient mythology cannot accept explanation without a god. So people like Tour try to denigrate or undermine any aspects of science that are not compatible with their mythologically based beliefs. Hence they try to construct justification of their beliefs cloaked in a specious veneer of a science framework. But this is just naked confirmation bias because the conclusion has not been reached but already determined from the outset.
There is a critical, fundamental and unbridgeable difference between theist thinking and rational thinking. Theists are enclosed in their self-imposed bubble of belief and because they are psychologically committed to their beliefs they will not go outside their bubble nor let reality in. Rational thinking people on the other hand are open to whatever is supported by objective evaluation of evidence. Hence they have neither a psychological problem or intellectual barrier to changing their views if warranted by new or revised evidence . Theists are always confident in their arguments because the answer was already known before the argument was even constructed so they don’t have to worry about getting an uncomfortable answer. Rational thinking people on the other hand only decide what the answer is after the arguments have been evaluated and have to accept the answer even when it’s uncomfortable.
From a young age I have always been interested in trying to understand and make sense as much as I can of the reality in which we find ourselves embedded. I go about this by accepting at least provisionally that for which there is credible objective evidence, rejecting that which lacks credible objective evidence, and changing my views whenever evidence makes it appropriate to do. If this is a bias, well then I guess I’ll have to own up.
@@coniferviveur3788 Even though our conclusion on the God question is completely different, I appreciate that you are willing to admit that you may be biased. I disagree with you that Dr. Tour's position is "intellectually and ethically fraudulent." He has not ruled out that man may someday create life in the lab, he is only trying to illustrate with clarity the situation as it stands now. I think he is doing a very good job of this.
You stated, "There is a critical, fundamental and unbridgeable difference between theist thinking and rational thinking." Then you go on to describe the "self-imposed bubble of belief" that causes theists to not "let reality in." There is, of course, some of this but I find there are many atheists who do the same thing. Before I ever knew of Dr. Tour I would read the latest headlines about fantastic scientific achievements lending credibility to the Darwinian view. Upon reading these articles, printed for the masses, I would find that the title of the article had been severely overstated. Articles like these, for mass consumption, continue to be printed at a constant pace and the result is always the same. The overstated title is always accompanied by a following article that contains phrases like "may have," "could have happened," "is possible," etc.
I really like your last paragraph and it lines up nicely with my thinking as well. It is obvious that we are both seeking the truth and that, to this point, that search has led us to very different conclusions.
@@chrisreimers84
Tks for the reply. An important technicality to start with. When discussing the reality in which we find ourselves embedded, we try to describe it as best we can but whatever exists at some fundamental level does so independently of the accuracy or relevance of our descriptions. Therefore I do not believe it is possible to reach a conclusion that can accurately be called ‘truth’ since we can never be certain that whatever is called ‘truth’ now might not need to be changed or discarded at some point in the future. So I am not seeking ‘truth’ as such but looking to describe and understand our encompassing reality in the most reliable and credible way.
It is an indisputably demonstrable fact of human experience that the only reliable way found so far to do this is through reason applied to objective evaluation of evidence so that is how I approach the search for understanding. Relying on objective evidence is why all the myth based explanations of the ancient past have been discarded and replaced with evidenced-based scientific explanations. That is, all the myths except for one.
Labelling anything as ‘truth’ can often be an excuse for keeping a closed mind because once you think you know the ‘truth’ then there is no reason to entertain anything in conflict with what you hold as ‘truth’. I find theists often label their belief as ‘truth’ as a psychologically comforting prop because it enables them to feel completely confident in their belief since their ‘truth’ cannot be challenged. So I don’t hold that what I believe about the external world as ‘truth’ but rather hold my views with varying degrees of confidence in proportion to the supporting evidence.
I don’t understand your comments that atheists do the same thing as not ‘letting reality in’. Atheism arises from and is founded on ascribing belief in accordance with supporting evidence so I don’t know what the reality is that you think atheists are not letting in. If you mean entertaining belief is some supernatural entity then it is not a matter of not letting reality in but simply not accepting that for which there is no credible evidence. So in the case of god for an atheist there is no reality to let in. If you mean something else then perhaps you can clarify.
Articles for the mass media are exactly that - for the mass media. But anyone interested in such matters as evolution or abiogenesis (which had nothing to do with evolution) or the origin of the universe etc etc should do some basic research from academically credible sources. These will provide a much more reliable and even handed explanation of the topics in question distinguishing between what has been verified and accepted as science such as evolution, what is thought may well be the case but not yet verified such as inflation, and what is still in the realm of hypothesis awaiting confirmation or rejection from testing such as the various multiverse ideas. Also note that science does not claim or aim to discover ‘truth’ but rather seeks to validate conformance of theoretical models with the external world. Your comments about mass media articles sound to me more like you are looking for an excuse to denigrate the credibility of things you would prefer to not to accept.
My position that there is no god is a conclusion reached through and after application of reason to objective evaluation of evidence. Throughout the many stages of human of human development belief in gods underwent changes from being natural phenomena gods -storm god, wind god etc etc, to anthropomorphic super-human entities - yaweh, marduc etc then morphing into undetectable platonic ethereal entities. However there is zero evidence that any of these god concepts are anything other than the inventions of ancient ignorant (but not stupid) human minds trying to explain their world in ways that made sense to them. Even more ‘recently’ people believed in unicorns, leprechauns witches etc but again objective investigation made it clear they are all just human inventions. I see absolutely no rational justification for considering god as anything other a human invention. There are however very powerful psychological reasons for wanting to believe in god but as I said above reality makes no concessions to conform with how we think it is or how we would like it to be. That’s why the most credible and reliable explanations have been derived through reliance on objective evidence.
If you believe there really is any credible evidence for belief in god, feel free to let me know which particular god, the justification for that belief, and why that justification does not equally apply to all the other gods you don’t believe in.
I love the relaxed, funny approach, so refreshing, entertaining and yet so seriously informative. You're great Dr. Tour and you seem to genuinely enjoy Eric, such a great host!
Love this! The discussion is profound with eternal implications and elucidates the awesomeness of God. Thank you!
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Well said!
So you don’t need to hear the truth??
You just want to hear what you want to hear?
@@myopenmind527 Remember, the religious nuts need to deny science to justify their beliefs and claims. Let them be, they're just afraid of death
Dr Tour fearlessly speaks the truth about the state of Origin of Life research. Truth is something that will benefit all humans, if it is embraced. Burying the truth with Lies will harm humanity, if those lies are embraced.
Thank you, Dr James Tour, for helping ordinary people know about the lie that some scientific communities have been passing off as truth to the rest of the world.
May Christ Our Lord defend your noble cause.
PAJ,....JT is not a Christian. His religion is the same religion as the rest of the Godless world.
@@seedsower678 do you know what God's word say a person must believe to be born again of the Holy Spirit of God and therefore obtain eternal life?
@@edbrackeen5979 ,....You have this all backwards. If we believe in order to become born again, then salvation is of our will and works. It is 100% based on what we do. This is not the gospel of the Bible, it is the false gospel of the 100% apostate church.
The way the Bibles gospel works is, first God makes one of his chosen ones spiritually alive (born again) then AFTER they have already been saved they begin to believe.
Actual belief only happens after one has already been saved by God. Repenting and believing is a result of one already being born again (saved). It is not what initiates or causes salvation as the 100% apostate church has deceived everyone to believe. Nothing that a person does initiates salvation.
@@seedsower678 "JT is not a Christian." This is not true. He said he was a Christian in so many words in this interview, and his conversion testimony is available on YT (Jews for Jesus I think). Moreover you had no reason to suppose it was true. In other words you stated as a fact something you had no evidence to support. In other words, you lied.
"Actual belief only happens after one has already been saved by God."
Your statement is in direct contradiction to Scripture:
Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
(in the context of the conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch) Acts 8:35-38 " Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him."
Belief is a PREREQUISITE for salvation. There is not a scintilla of a hint in Scripture that the Holy Spirit gives the saved a new sort of BELIEF. Your soteriology is unscriptural, so I urge you to search the Scriptures regarding salvation to ensure that you are saved. If you need guidance in this matter, post your request on this thread. And ever after refrain from presuming to verbally excommunicate professing Christians with whom you disagree on peripheral matters. That both turns outsiders away from the kingdom and endangers your own soul. ""Judge not, that ye be not judged."
The term "works" in the New Testament is shorthand for "works of righteousness", further defined as "good deeds that cost the doer something". Belief is not a "work" (Jas 2:19 "You believe that there is one God, you do well; even the demons believe and tremble.") Baptism is not a "work". Faith is not a "work". (It is a wonder that the last of these three should be confused given the lengths to which the New Testament goes to contrast faith and works.) The term is from the Pharisaic rabbis who, during the exile, devised an answer to what to do to atone for sin when there was no temple at which to offer sacrifices. Their answer was "works (of righteousness)". Paul had studied Pharisee theology (rabbinical Judaism today) under Gamaliel the elder (the most revered of rabbis). The Jews who were typically made elders in the churches the apostles planted also studied this curriculum. That is what "works" meant to them. Even today, in common parlance, we don't regard everything that can be done as "work" as you seem to construe it.
@@digitalnomad9985 ,...So, if someone says they are a Christian, then they are a Christian? You cant really be that Biblically illiterate can you?
I have every reason to believe JT is not a Christian, and the fact is, he is not a Christian.
I lied? Really?
Yes, absolutely, actual belief only happens AFTER one has already been saved. The problem is, you do not at all understand the Bible. You only understand the 100% apostate churches false gospel and fake christianity.
If belief was a prerequisite for salvation then salvation is of the will and works of man. The exact opposite of what the Bible clearly teaches. Without mans actions (works) they would not be saved. Your fake salvation is 100% based on what you do. Without you doing something (working) you would not be saved.
You have taken Jesus/God out and have put yourself in his place. Your fake salvation does not rely on God, it relies on you. How do you not understand this?
You have no understanding what grace is nor what saved by grace actually means. This is because you remain spiritually dead and blind with no ability to understand scripture. You only know how to pervert scripture and misunderstand it.
Everything you have stated here is unbiblical nonsense that has come from just another Biblically bankrupt counterfeit christian snared into the 100% apostate church and its counterfeit (antichrist) christianity.
Again, JT is not a Christian nor is anyone that thinks he is. You are steeped in darkness, deception, and a 100% counterfeit (antichrist) christianity. Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!
Forget the topic,these two personalities could be a hit comedy show. They both are great!
Love James he brings the science that backs up all my arguments!! Love it!!!
James is like the silly detective that discovers a dead body and when he cant determine cause of death, arrests the butler for murder because, "whom else could it have been?". #thebutlerdidit
@@Sciences0311you’re totally more of an authority on this than the leading scientist
@@cooperthatguy1271 tour has repeatedly made a fool of himself babbling about branches of science he does not work in and knows little about. He had also disgraced and discredited himself by lying his ass off about those who do.
@@mcmanustony meh, even so. The question and points he makes still stand.
@@cooperthatguy1271 so the fact the he’s a serial liar on the subject with a vile record of screaming abuse at researchers in subjects he’s never worked in and regularly makes blunders in and……sure he’s still credible……
Read again what James Goethe wrote down below. Dr. Tour is so knowledgeable it's almost impossible to follow him. But here's the good news: the overarching principles can indeed be understood. Stick with this. Don't give up when your brain starts to break. Pretty soon you can grasp what he is really saying. This is great stuff!
Have you tried learning this subject from scientists who unlike Tour actually WORK in OoL?
I am already reaping the benefits of Graphene in the form of automotive detailing products. This may seem very basic, and it is when compared to Dr. Tour’s other achievements, yet it is so useful. Many can theorize however, it’s the great minds who improve the world for everyone. Maximum Positivity
I’m definitely one of the masses, and want to hear Dr Tour. And want him to be funded !
What I love about James Tour is the focus on causal explanation, which differentiates science from non-science.
This is where we begin to reach the limit of what can be discussed in a forum like this. Tour is beyond advanced. Even a genius would struggle to understand Tour without good chemistry knowledge.
JT..has definitely won me over! Where's the proof! Many in science community is Spoof!.. not proof! Show me the Life...they can't! JT honesty is Love of truth..not lies!
Tour does not work in Origin of Life Research.
Chemistry Professor John Sutherland, disgracefully slandered by the lying fanatic Tour, does.
In this subject he is not advanced.
@@simonebest6013 Do you know how books work?
@Simone Best Well I think we know what happened!
@@simonebest6013 What do you know?
Amazing discussion with lots of humour I’m just an ordinary person and found it fascinating. I believe that God created everything thank you
Have you tried books?
@@mcmanustony Have you tried baklava?
@@Mr196710 a bit sweet for me. And Tour is a bit too much of a lying, hysterical fanatic….for me
@@mcmanustony Well, we know who he is and what his accomplishments are. What is your story? Atheist?
@@Mr196710 he is accomplished within his field. Significant number of papers and an impressive citation index- though nowhere near as high as his drooling sycophants would tell you.
Outside of his field he is an utter disgrace: an unhinged lying maniac given to screaming fits and disgusting smears of fellow scientists, in fields to which he’s contributed nothing and does not study.
His dishonest antics heave severely damaged his reputation- and rightly so. He will be remembered not for his work- in which his fans have zero interest- but for energizing a claque of pig-ignorant, science hating morons.
Stunning and amazing. Thanks Eric for bringing on Dr Tour
I'm so glad Eric is letting the world know what a genius Dr. Tour is.
I just wish he would let the genius talk more; a lot more.
WOW, WOW, WOW,!! God bless you Dr. Tour and Eric M. 🙏✨. Love this.
Thanks to "Socrates in the City" administration, and special thanks to Dr. J. Tour.
Best regards from a greek family in Brazil.
Thank you so much, Socrates In The City! The guests who you choose to interview are the most Amazing people imaginable. Other people get Niel DeGrasse Tyson or Bill Nye, who are excellent communicators, by the way. But I have to say, your society gets the people with the more profound insight. I feel so fortunate to know about this channel. Thank you, Thank You, THANK YOU!
It's easy to be "excellent communicators" when they don't bother to tell the truth
@@onionflower3733 Well, they get a lot of facts right, but they are so very wrong in their interpretations much of the time! They should be studied and taken with a Huge grain of salt. They present the most shallow understanding of history and contemporary culture in relation to science, and they are insidious this way. In my opinion, they get people interested in science, and then a portion of those people go on to listen to the actual experts in the fields, and are able to see the deeper picture. Others, however, never develop beyond the shallow understanding, and that is where they have the potential to be very, Very dangerous. So, yes, you are right. Also, I like your User Name.
Dr Tour is my Christian Scientist hero with his brilliance, humility and his faith; Eric Metaxas is brilliant and a wonderful host and moderator
Tour is a lying fanatic and a disgrace to his profession.
How much of your hero's scientific work have you read? It's none isn't it? You don't give a fuck about his actual work. You drool because of his hatred of science that contradicts your shared religious fanaticism.
Eric talks way too much!!
@@lindalucas6318 and precisely none of it worth listening to
@@mcmanustony, why? How do we learn if we don't listen to others including those we don't like?
A couple of my favorite guys( in the area of philosophy and science) on the same stage makes for a great show.
Eric always cracks me up - genuinely funny guy, with a knack for simplifying complex topics for layman consumption. And James Tour - a passionate world class chemist who isn't afraid to call out the scientific community on their nonsense.
Great video!
@EXPOSING.THE.SATURNISTS Fallacies are Facts now? This is EXACTLY the kind of nonsense that is passed down from materialism/scientism.
Name ONE invention that requires the belief in materialism or Darwinism in order for it to be made. Go on, I'll wait...
The irony is that EVERY invention proves their theory wrong, in that it shows that mind/intelligence/thoughts(all metaphysical concepts) are absolutely required to make any sophisticated/complex system.
Your views came about because you, whether purposely or subconsciously, associate scientific discovery with a particular scientific BELIEF(that everything can be explained via a materialistic worldview), and those are actually completely seperate things.
You probably don't know that many of our greatest scientists were deeply religious/Christians. That's not a limitation. Recognizing that everything in this universe is beautifully designed is the REASON to investigate it! But here, maybe it's best put in Isaac Newton's own words:
"This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being..."
"I believe the more I study science, the more I believe in God."
@EXPOSING.THE.SATURNISTS My my, for people who believe absolute nonsense such as a universe popping out of nothing, or that non-living matter gave rise to life... you guys sure are full of chatter. I'd be ashame to let anyone know I hold/support such a silly, illogical, utterly unscientific worldview. I'm glad that virtually all the great scientists of the past recognized design when it was right in their faces, rather than foolishly tried to explain it away.
[Mary Schweitzer is as much a materialist Richard Dawkins, but we're not here to talk about her, or Mr Behe. Stay on topic].
I asked you to name ONE invention where its creation requires materialistic or Darwinian principles. Just one. It's an observable fact that "mind/intellect" plays a part in EVERYTHING we create. Without an intelligence acting on matter, it has no desire to move toward life or complex purpose-driven systems.
Then there's information, a metaphysical reality that is necessary for the software that runs most of our technology. It's a scientifically observable and repeatable fact that "minds" are the only known cause for the TYPE of information(language-based/code-based) we see in computer code or DNA. Who's the 'unscientific' one here again?
You're the one who made the bold assertion that we owe the very technologies we now enjoy to the junk science these materialist scientists spout. So, you should have THOUSANDS of examples. I'm asking for JUST ONE!
You're dilemma is that; junk science has no basis in reality. It's makes for nice grown-up fairy tale, and cute little images in texts books of half-fish-half-mammal creatures slithering out of the sea unto land, but it has no use in the reality we occupy. None whatsoever! That's WHY you can't give me a valid answer.
@EXPOSING.THE.SATURNISTS
Still waiting for that ONE example...
While I wait, I'll entertain your comments one last time. I'll even throw in a real-time simulation/experiment for you.
"A binary system. A series of electronic off and on switches. It is not a metaphysical state."
The metaphysical reality of what drives our software is completely lost on you. It's right in your 'face,' and you are unable to acknowledge it.
What do you suppose is missing from your little description? INFORMATION, perhaps?! You are making the same mistake most materialists do. They see the medium as the information. On/off switches don't ascribing meaning, neither the chemical composition of paper & ink, nor chalk and chalkboards, nor nucleotides along the double helix. Minds do! Those are all mediums on which MINDS inscribe meaningful information. No mind = no intelligent information. So when ever you see intelligent information, it is a scientifically proven fact that a mind was present. Let's test this...
Here's a string of character...
"eHt itapmecylhas fanritinomo s!i eyk"
Here's another string...
"The metaphysical information is key!"
Nothing about how the binary switches - in our computers - work suddenly changed. Even the size of the data in both strings, and the electrical energy to send it would have been virtually identical. Yet, somehow, there was a MONUMENTAL DIFFERENCE in the information sent.
One is gibberish, and the other conveys intelligence information typically associated with language and code. We can't even quantify that difference, or why such an incalculable difference would take the same effort to inscribe as the gibberish. This is the metaphysical nature of information.
Whether you realize it or not, there's something fundamentally flawed (intentionally foolish, even) when anyone attempts to explain the phenomenon of purposed information while denying the one entity we KNOW is able to convey and interpret that type of information. Mind!
I'm doing you a friendly favor here by even entertaining beliefs/ideas that are contrary to reality. You can continue to deny the very reality you live in, what intelligent information alludes to... or, you can pause for a minute, and actually think deeply about what you believe, and what others have shared/contested. I have to move on.
And no, I never actually expected to get that ONE example.
I grew up there too. Great place.
Which of Tours papers was your favourite?
Eric giving Origins of Life scientist's a pep talk: You guys are doing good, 70 years and you've got nothing, nada...uh...less than nothing! That's huge! Keep it up boys!
such a delight listening to Dr. James Tour
I can't believe it took you this long to get around to Dr. Tour!
He’s talked to him before.
Outstanding! Thank you for having this presentation and posting it on TH-cam!
I appreciate Dr. Tour. I just missed getting to meet him and possibly become friends. He did graduate work at Purdue U and attended a particular church. Soon after, I attended the same church for two years.
JASF,....JT is not a Christian. His religion is scientism, the same false manmade ungodly religion of the rest of the Godless world.
Dr. Tour is phenomenal, and it's a yrue privilege to hear him speak. It's a shame that so much time in this discussion was wasted on the comedy routine stuff, instead of letting Dr. Tour have the stage.
One of the BEST SITC!! Thank you for this!
Thanks Eric Metaxas for this astute guest choice!
Excellent work, Eric and Dr Tour, for standing for the truth! You inspire us to do the same!
Tour is a lying ethically challenged fanatic.
How much work on Origin of Life Research have you actually read? It isn’t Tours field.
@@mcmanustonyso true! He’s way out of his depth.
Amazing talk. One fundamental aspect of the Origin of Life research and contemplation thereof, is the shared value placed on TRUTH. Progress in this field can only be appreciated if those involved have a common quest of TRUTH and there is no underlying subversive goal, such funding or notoriety on the subject. As I have followed Dr. Tour over the years, it is quite surprising, the population of people who are not in pursuit of TRUTH and do not place TRUTH above all else. This misplacing of TRUTH in the hierarchy of advancing science seems to doom potential progress and derails arguments. This subject exposes who submits to TRUTH and seeks to declare TRUTH. Creating a truth is not the same as arriving at "the" truth.
Do you believe Tour applies the same rigorous devotion to science/evidence when he proclaims his belief in Biblical truth? Or, do you believe be accepts what appears to be a collection of myths in the old testament without critical examination? The Origin of Life scientists are wrong to inject their own "faith" in their research and exaggerate their findings/evidence. But isn't it interesting that Tour chooses to use a different measure when evaluating Christianity? If he believes in God, I get it. His research points to perhaps a Godly origin - which is cool. But to proclaim he believes he knows exactly which God did it? Wow. How is Tour, as you phrased it, not "creating a truth" himself?
@Rich Rocket As far as I know, Dr. Tour is not publishing scientific papers proclaiming there is a God and he knows which God it is and how God created life. As far as I know, Dr. Tour systematically refutes scientific papers and opinions that are not based on what the evidence reveals. From what I have seen, Dr. Tour intentionally leaves God out of the discussion of origin of life. I believe Dr. Tour approaches all of his decisions and beliefs with a scientific approach and evaluates the evidence as it is revealed.
@@eltomas3634 That is all well and good. But I truly disagree with Tour's calling out his colleagues for having "garbage evidence" and for having FAITH in their eventual success. Yet, he has a similar FAITH in the Christian God eventually being revealed as the one, true God. I also wonder if he believes his evidence for his belief is based on "garbage evidence". I support Tour's efforts, and I genuinely like him. But that doesn't mean I'm supposed to ignore this contradiction.
Congrats Eric on your 26th Anniversary, and the restarting of SITC.
Why does Eric's wife look so grum?
Thank you Dr Tour
Eric's intros are always a treat, topped only by his guests, his audience, and the run down venue's SITC is often hosted in. Thank you for another great discussion.
Excellent interview. So sad when institutions refuse to fund when they don't like you telling the truth.
Who’s not being funded? Tour has no shortage of funding. What are you talking about?
"I am not trying to reach origin of life researchers. I am trying to reach the masses."
James Tour on why he doesn't publish his "research" in actual peer reviewed journals instead of on the discovery institute.
This is all you need as a takeaway here.
@@mcmanustony No one other than the discovery institute will fund him...Science hates liars
@@surfsnow1371 Tour is an embarrassment and a disgrace to his profession
'Creation deniers' don't want to be unpopular and or lose their standing in the 'origin-life' community. So they either die liars or give up and admit defeat. Then they're really winner because they admit there is a God. I applaud Dr Tour and I admire his stength and courage to live for the Truth.
"there is a God" ......Tour says so!
Nobody denies creation. It is self-evident. The debatable question is how did creation occur. Let you know later.
Wow Eric did a wonderful job with this interview. Really enjoyed watching the whole thing.
Absolutely fantastic interview. But I saved the last five minutes to my "Watch later" list so I can watch it again and again. It was great.
Wonderful interview, thank you Eric ,thank you Dr Tour
I graduated with BA degree in microbiology back in the dark ages (1977). The origin of life was a given. Somehow life originated through random processes in a prebiotic soup. We don’t know how that happened, but it happened. Then life evolved into four-legged creatures and finally us.
I didn’t think about it then, but the formation of amino acid chains referred to as proteins or polypeptides was an impossibility in water. When two amino acids join, they lose a molecule of water.
Those two amino acids, called a dipeptide, will immediately split into single amino acids because one of the surrounding water molecules will cause the reverse reaction (called hydrolysis). This reaction is thermodynamically favored.
The formation of amino acid chains (polymerization) goes against the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Polymerization won’t happen. Similar barriers prevent the formation of DNA and RNA from a soup of nucleotides.
Dr. Tour spared the audience most of the details. What was important to note was the reason practicing origin-of-life scientists cannot abandon their belief that life arose from non-life, but that upcoming scientists are likely to reject the abiotic formation of life held by their mentors. Even if this is true, as long as they persist in barring intelligent design, they will invent another fruitless theory for a materialistic origin of life.
*Jon:* _"This reaction is thermodynamically favored. The formation ... goes against the 2nd law of thermodynamics."_
Those who have faith in abiogenesis and microbe-to-man evolution dismiss the application of thermodynamics to their beliefs. They call anyone stupid who even mentions it.
@@KenJackson_US So true. Many of them believe the universe is eternal even though the 2nd law of thermodynamics means the universe would have died infinite eons ago, reaching thermodynamic equilibrium.
So you are saying an intelligent designer can violate the laws of rhermodynamics
@@jasonwiley798 Prior to the creation of the universe, there were no physical laws. God created the universe by his power. He also imbued the universe with necessary physical laws when he created it. When he created life, he used the same power, wisdom, and intelligence he used to create the universe. The laws of thermodynamics became operational at some point in his creation.
God is the uncaused cause, the first mover. He is the source of all being, including the physical laws.
"Wisdom is the principal thing. Therefore get wisdom and with all thy getting get understanding" Solomon. You've started the journey in the right direction. The road leads to Jerusalem!
The most substantive and important part of this whole interview process with Dr tour is from minute 42:00 to 49:30. This in my opinion is the meat and substance of the whole interview. If one doesn’t take anything else away this will suffice for a comprehension of the issue.
RS,....Nevertheless, JT is not a Christian, he is in/of the same ungodly religion as everyone else.
I, at 88-years-old, remember their creating amino acids in appx. 1952.
God bless this man.
I believe God already has.
Which god?
@@JD-ro7xe The God of the Bible. The one true God.
@@thaDARKW0LF
The same God who sent the flood and drowned every living thing, burned down cities, condoned slavery, genocide, killing entire towns , ordered non-virgins to be stoned to death on the morning after the wedding night, favoured animal sacrifices....?
Then later on arranged himself to be sacrificed so that he can forgive us our so called sins?
God bless you Dr. Tour 🙏 and God bless you Eric 🙏✨
Dr. Tour is brilliant and brave. Thank you!!
AMEN. PRAISE GOD OF CREATION.
Great discussion! This question of what do evolutionists say about how did the first life form get created has been on my mind for the last few weeks. Great timing. The other day, I mentioned to my family that I felt that neither evolutionists nor believers have a satisfying answer to this question of how did life begin. In the case of evolutionists, their theories appear utterly impossible from many perspectives. Also, how impossible it is to me to intellectually grasp how The Divine is without beginning and without ending. However, I trust the Holy Spirit, which has testified to me many many times of the reality of The Divine and of His love.
This might help you grasp God intellectually: either everything came from nothing (impossible), or something always existed by necessity of its own nature. Whatever always existed by necessity must be infinite in nature, since only something infinite can exist eternally, as being eternal is itself an infinite quality. So we know with certainty something infinite/eternal/necessary exists, and is the basis for all other contingent/dependent/finite things, such as our existence and universe which had a beginning. So, we can conclude with absolute certainty God exists, necessarily and infinitely, and is the cause of the universe and by extension, life itself.
@M Holla If you think there is a reason outside of God's own necessary nature for God's own existence, then that greater reason would be greater than God, and that would be God, not God himself, which is impossible logically. God's own reason for existing, and the answer you seek, is found in the nature of God itself. The nature of God is existence itself, God is the great "I am" (Exodus 3:14), He is, that is the nature of His being, and why He can cause other things to exist that previously did not. God is pure being, the ultimate reality, and without God, there would no reality. It might also help you to realize 'nothing' can not exist, only something that does exist can exist, so if you are wondering why does anything exist rather than nothing, it is because nothingness can not exist by its own definition, it is non-existence. Only things with existence as a necessary quality would exist necessarily by its own nature (God), and all other things that exist but do not do so necessarily derive their existence from that necessary being that does exist and can give existence to things that are not necessary, such as the universe.
The WAY leads to TRUTH and the TRUTH leads to LIFE.
Dr Tour you are a living legend!! You are most certainly one of the most consequential human beings that has ever lived. Next time I see an origin of life researcher I am going to offer to give them a million litres of "primordial soup" and ask them to document the progress until a fully formed human being is made!
You should show them how your god POOFS things into existence! That will teach them!
I will do it right after you explain how life got started. Not who but how.
Sorry but the Scripture doesn't have a verb like poof. Rather, it says He spoke things into existence . He said, Let there be...and there was. He is very powerful
My eyes did not blink when watching this. Thank you.
Thanks James and Eric!
Just great!!!!!
Miracle maker. Science and technology haven't "delivered" anything for 50 plus years....until today. James Tour and graphene will change our world.
Wonderful interview. Thanks so much to both of you!
"And of course, It bothers the community." I laughed outloud. My brother introduced me to this vid. Great stuff. That's from a 6-day Biblical Creationist.
As always an excellent presentation. Thank you for your passion to bring truth back in science Dr. Tour!!!
What truth was that??
Thank God that Dr. James Tour loved truth more than approval of men. It doesn’t hurt that he’s extremely knowledgeable and accomplished in his career. The fact that many agree, but don’t speak openly because they fear being cancelled shows the state of our culture.
The man is an utter disgrace to his profession.
Tour is a lying fanatic who does not work in Origin of Life research. He does indeed show the state of his end of academic culture. He made a song and dance about buying lunch for any scientist willing to come to Rice U and "explain evolution" to him. Why he can't simply walk across his own campus and ASK any of SEVEN professors of evolutionary biology for help with his remedial education is a mystery. Perhaps there was a piano strapped to his ass, who knows.
Dr Nick Matzke took up the offer- Tour ran away.
His utterly despicable slander of Prof. Jack Szostak will shame him every day of what's left of his career.
This reminds me of one of my favorite verses, starting out at Romans 11:33:
Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” 35“Who has ever given to God, that God should repay them?” 36 For from him and through him and for him are all things. To him be the glory forever! Amen. Or of course, that other one you might already be thinking of Isaiah 53:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
I always enjoy listening to Dr Tour, and Eric Metaxas
Thank you for this video. "It is operationally impossible to separate reality and information." -- Professor Anton Zeilinger, 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics
What’s your point?
Dr. Tour is amazing, and is a source of a wealth of information. Instead of listening to what doctor tour has to say, this interviewer apparently enjoys hearing himself talk and make jokes. So much more could have been made of this interview but the interviewer just couldn't let it happen.
Yes, a narcissistic clown interviewing a lying fanatic.
Dr Tour's view on the tiny things like viruses would be interesting to hear as some say they don't exist due to not seeing them and yet here Dr Tour is making tiny machines.
**In the beginning God, clear and simple 👍
I love Dr. Tour's passion but it is a manifestation of his toughness which is indispensable.
I would love to see Dr. Tour and Jordan Peterson together talking about how graphene reconnects nerves and how the brain remaps the circuits.
Dr. Tour, you are so cool! Love watching you speak.
When you don’t go along with what the world system is teaching, that the only things that are important are money, power and fame, they insult you and ostracize, and shun. But you will sleep well with the agreement that makes peace with God possible.
Thank you!
The part about cutoff of federal funding is interesting. More proof of the Satanic cabal that runs our government and academia. Truth will come out in the end.
Try the decaf
Bravo to you both.
My favorite one yet🎉
Dr Tour is amazing and spot on about the scientific community
Actually he's a discredited lying fanatic who has damaged his reputation considerably with ludicrous publicity stunts and despicable slander of fellow scientists.
"spot on about the scientific community"- he slandered Professor Jack Szostak in a hysterical screaming fit to an audience of drooling cackling, southern Baptissts- not a demographic known for scientific literacy. He then called Szostak to "apologise", then dug in on the lies and added more lies about Szostak "conceding" his points in the call.
He is an utter fucking disgrace to his profession.
Try to raise your standards.
The Bible has already said it: "We do not fight against flesh and blood, but against dark principalities and powers". It's a "spiritual battle". God bless you Dr Tour.
You’re supposed to be pretending it’s all about the science. Didn’t you get the memo?
Which specific version of the bible are you talking about? The Protestant versions or the Catholic versions or the Mormon versions?
Have been waiting for this. Thank you Dr. Tour for shining a light on the corrupt and self-serving OOL research field. I pray that many more will see just how bankrupt these claims made actually are.
What were you waiting for and what did you get?
Thank you DR Tour for " dumbing down " to my level of understanding of your adopted scientific subject . Thanks also to Socrates in the city and Eric a fine host and moderator .👍
It isn’t his subject. He’s a synthetic organic chemist. He has published absolutely NOTHING on Origin of Life Research. He has debased and disgraced himself lying about the scientists who do work on it and sneering at work that, despite his lies, is WAY outside his field of expertise.
He is an utter disgrace to his profession
For the record, Dr. James Tour's breaks are fine, his health is fine, and he is not suicidal.
Thank you for this information