@@notnormal419 ohhhh that makes a lot more sense why they were being so stupid and soldier boy seemed to be the only person with eyes that could tell Venezuelan from Russians.
*SO MANY* commenters not understanding that what the sargent sees is very different from what actually happened. The supes were intentionally targeting their own soldiers to make room for the Russians and prevent witnesses. They could all easily have wiped out the "enemy" but the point was to get Soldier Boy disabled and packaged away.
This is a solid theory, except that Gunpowder was the only one that wouldn’t have gone along with the plan and this is stated by Noir talking to Edgar. Yet he is the one who probably killed the most on their side. I think they just took advantage of the fact that they killed everyone and it was a good opportunity to get rid of SB. Edgar even says he doesn’t want to know the details - he just said get it done however you can do it. I don’t think this was planned, but they realized it was a good opportunity and Gunpowder wasn’t in on the plan. The twin even screaming “Fucking stop!” also proves that this wasn’t some plan that was put in place ahead of time.
@@blakehelms7430 Yeah its not really explained why Gunpowder wasn’t in the cartoon flashback when it showed them all betraying Soldier Boy, but maybe Mindstorm put him to sleep or something? It’s never really stated or shown how they dealt with that.
@@blakehelms7430 But they go out of their way to kind of show that all of this team were pieces of shit, SB was just the biggest one. None of them really seemed to know wtf they were doing in an actual combat scenario, even before Edgar spoke to Black Noir about getting rid of SB. Who knows though, maybe that was their plan? We can nitpick and theorize all day long lol
Despite what is said by people, Soldier Boy was highly competent and aware. He has actual military training, so he may not have been as decorated of a hero as people think from WW2 but Soldier Boy wasn't the worst supe. A lot of what is said against him is hearsay.
According to Black Noir cartoon flashback, the Payback team gang up on SB to get him captured as per Edgar plan is because SB has been an asshole and a tyrant to his comrades.
Definitely an intentional shot. I can't remember is this before or after they reveal he is Homelander's biological dad? If before nice foreshadowing. If after, nice nod.
from the looks of it, Soldier Boy was the only one actually engaging hostiles. Least we know at this point his IFF codes weren't buggy. Though it is likely payback was intentionally killing witnesses
That was cool! Altho I still would have liked to have seen that play out properly. But I suppose they thought it was far less brutal they thought turning it into a cartoon in Noirs head lol.
@@Coldkrollhis power involves locking you away in your head so he can control you but you die from rapid dehydration and you can see him giving gunpowder some water
2:04 - the actress playing young Mallory did a great job representing a normal human being on the brink of collapse, but she held her tears only to turn into disgust at 2:50 towards the Supes
@@flemch6136 Zero proof? First proof: Noir said to Stan Edgar that everyone was on the plan to sell Soldier Boy to the russians EXCEPT Gunpowder. Second proof: Mindstorm was giving water to him after the whole thing, and he says that everyone he mind-control gets dehydrated over time. There's your proofs.
When you really look at it, most supes powers suck. But it's a good thing, keeps the show a bit more grounded and gritty and makes supes with real power(most of the 7, the magneto chick, Victoria) stand out.
Was Soldier Boy the only one actually fighting the Russians? All the other Payback supes seemed to kill Mallory's men so I want someone to clarify what's happening here.
That's correct. Soliderboy is handed over to the Russians by his own team. That's why noirs face is burnt because while mallory was unconscious, solider was attacked by his own team and ends up burning noirs against a burning vehicle Stan edgar made a deal with noir to sell off solideeboy
Another theory is that Mindstorm brainwashed his own team members to kill off all the resistance members that was under Grace Miller so they wouldn't have any Witnesses what happened to Soldier Boy. That way they can maintain plausible deniability saying the Russians took Soldier Boy.
largley i think thats the case, but gunpowders gone full on dakka dakka on everyone with the jeep gun, so not only are they cowards they cant tell their own side appart
@@belliappa8408 Thanks for clearing things up. That means Soldier Boy even though an arrogant douche, could have actually been able to be a good asset in the military.
Literally did that on purpose don't know who but someone said he'd be more likeable with his mask cause he was black. I don't agree and its wrong but they didn't plan on it but we're fine with it to market him more
Yes and no. They attacked everyone not because they couldn’t bother to tell them apart but because they needed to eliminate any witnesses before betraying soldier boy.
They're not incompetent but they like to show off too much especially Soldier Boy. Crimson Countess, Mindstorm and Black Noir imo were the coolest among them.
You know, with context (spoilers) it actuslly makes sense that the other sups were taking out friendlies left and right. They knew what the plan was for soldier boy, and wanted to eliminate all witnesses
@@ZeonEons na fan the set hi up because he was getting all the light and they where trying to make homelander lol and he only attack noir because well... this was old times black guys vs white remenber...
Holy shit swatto has to be the dumbest out of the entirety of PAYBACK, Grace says Soldier Boy's the most idiotic but when he literally flew a second time without clearance despite Stan Edgar's warning tells me otherwise lmfao.
0:55 In this scene, shouldn't Soldier Boy with those go through and kill those soldiers? It seems like he has the strength of a human in that fight until he throws his shield at that guy.
They were purposely gunning down her men apart from gunpowder, who was being mind controlled When she arrived on camp she already despised them because they were loud, open and arrogant. Especially soldier boy
Looking back, maybe soldierboy was an asshole with his team because of how incompetent they were, only exception being noir tho, maybe he saw him as a rival that could take the leadership away or sm
Nope he was abusive to them because he didn’t want them taking the spotlight that he spend years making he’s like homelander only if he was emotionally and mentally stable
@@ryanlozano9086 soldier boy was strong, but not invincible, so no god complex i think, just some brutal celebrity narcism created by Vought - and maybe a better childhood?
Soldier boy wouldn't allow any of his team members to be anything but his team. Noir went for an audition (TV commercial or something) but soldier boy already sabotaged it and then beat the hell out of noir
they were not incompetent...they were in the process of betraying soldier boy, they did this on purpose. They needed to kill all the witnesses, this is not "oh we are so stupid" this is "we are betraying you"
that was a fake payback (excluding soldier boy who they betrayed and excluding gunpowder who was simply mind controlled in this scene) were conspiring with the russians to get rid of soldier boi
I think soldier boy was misunderstood and wasn’t given a chance to grow. He was racist but he was raised in a different time and could have probably been taught better. He stood by word and was willing to bring homelander down so maybe in the last season we will get that redemption
He hasn't even acknowledged that he was a bad guy yet, that's like the first step to redemption. He was abusive towards his team, very much implied he molested gunpownder, and gave zero craps about the lives of the innocent that he killed. He is just like homelander but on a slightly smaller scale.
Grace is a fackin supe and Ryan didn’t kill her and he knows he didn’t watch and see I mean look at the shit she survives here she’s a supe at least with buffed speed and durability
Imagine spend years of your life building an police operation to get everything destroyed by clowns in pajamas.
Imagine all the people, living for some payback
Isn't that the experience of every bad guy in an action movie?
To be fair. The actions from Payback were intentional.
The CIA was down there Traffiking Drugs and giving the proceeds to guys literally convicted of Crimes Against Humanity.
The police operation was evil anyways. It was to smuggle drugs into minority neighborhoods
Funny how Noir and Soldierboy were the only actually useful ones there.
Noir was somewhat as he was still killing Mallory's men to continue the actual plan but I get what you mean
@@notnormal419 ohhhh that makes a lot more sense why they were being so stupid and soldier boy seemed to be the only person with eyes that could tell Venezuelan from Russians.
@@gezenews Those were nicaraguans, not venezuelan lol
Yeah. Soldier being an offensive grunt on the frontlines as an infantry unit, while Black Noir is a infiltration unit for assassination and espionage
you are assuming Crimson Countess was playing for the nicaraguans, but she was playing for the russian
*SO MANY* commenters not understanding that what the sargent sees is very different from what actually happened. The supes were intentionally targeting their own soldiers to make room for the Russians and prevent witnesses. They could all easily have wiped out the "enemy" but the point was to get Soldier Boy disabled and packaged away.
This is a solid theory, except that Gunpowder was the only one that wouldn’t have gone along with the plan and this is stated by Noir talking to Edgar. Yet he is the one who probably killed the most on their side. I think they just took advantage of the fact that they killed everyone and it was a good opportunity to get rid of SB. Edgar even says he doesn’t want to know the details - he just said get it done however you can do it. I don’t think this was planned, but they realized it was a good opportunity and Gunpowder wasn’t in on the plan. The twin even screaming “Fucking stop!” also proves that this wasn’t some plan that was put in place ahead of time.
@@jeff8509It’s believed that Mindstorm was controlling Gunpowder into doing that making it so he cooperated with the plan and didn’t get in their way.
@@blakehelms7430
Yeah its not really explained why Gunpowder wasn’t in the cartoon flashback when it showed them all betraying Soldier Boy, but maybe Mindstorm put him to sleep or something? It’s never really stated or shown how they dealt with that.
@@blakehelms7430
But they go out of their way to kind of show that all of this team were pieces of shit, SB was just the biggest one. None of them really seemed to know wtf they were doing in an actual combat scenario, even before Edgar spoke to Black Noir about getting rid of SB. Who knows though, maybe that was their plan? We can nitpick and theorize all day long lol
@@jeff8509 Mind control causes dehydration - you can see Mindstorm giving him water here after everything is finished.
Whoever casted the younger versions should get a raise!
Thank you! That was me
@@borris3768 really? Or are you just pulling our leg?
@@abhay4147it’s true I was there with Borris helping decide who to cast
Thank you borris, thankyou obiwan, you did great
@@condori4366 where's my thanks 😡
Actress playing young Malory did a great job
did
@@ComradeStroggur mom di
@@ComradeStrogg stop talking to people
@@TheHellyeahmen I will continue talking to people
@@ComradeStrogg you don't have to torture people like that
I like that recognition from SB when Mallory shoots those guys at 1:00
Despite what is said by people, Soldier Boy was highly competent and aware. He has actual military training, so he may not have been as decorated of a hero as people think from WW2 but Soldier Boy wasn't the worst supe. A lot of what is said against him is hearsay.
yea bruh i really hate how hard they want us to see sb as the bad guy th dude was chilling
@@blacky8987 Yeah, he did do things that are morally apprehensable but in terms of what other supes did or the Boys, he wasn't the biggest player.
According to Black Noir cartoon flashback, the Payback team gang up on SB to get him captured as per Edgar plan is because SB has been an asshole and a tyrant to his comrades.
Soldier Boy launching an enemy into the air and impaling him reminds me of Homelander in the first scene of The Boys.
Like father like son
Definitely an intentional shot. I can't remember is this before or after they reveal he is Homelander's biological dad? If before nice foreshadowing. If after, nice nod.
@@OddNess9339 Before.
Homelander threw someone in to a car that was in the distance. I don’t get it
@@lamarpray5324 I remembered that, but it’s still symbolic of their similarities.
3:03 - "That's impossible."
I like how despite her disgust for Soldier Boy she acknowledges how OP he is.
More like came to the realization that supes were frauds. Especially soldier boy.
1:00 Soldier Boys point of "hey thata girl" is low key wholesome.
from the looks of it, Soldier Boy was the only one actually engaging hostiles. Least we know at this point his IFF codes weren't buggy. Though it is likely payback was intentionally killing witnesses
It shows how strong old Noir is, being able to survive such a beating from Soldierboy
He was getting whooped bro if soldierboy wasnt focused on the others he woulda done much more
Just barely. And he probably stopped only because he was distracted or stopped by the others on his team. .
You mean young Noir?
It left him severely brain damaged tho.
@@alpha5664”old” noir, meaning the previous noir. The noir we see in season 4 is “new” noir.
Best of luck
Cool how they animated what really happened..poor black noir
That was cool!
Altho I still would have liked to have seen that play out properly.
But I suppose they thought it was far less brutal they thought turning it into a cartoon in Noirs head lol.
@@ArnoldJudasRimmer.. we are probably gonna see what happed in live action in the series Vought Rising
@@olivechakraborty8407maybe buts it’s supposed to be set in the 50s
Mentalist was controlling Gunpowder at that moment
Why you think so?
@@ColdkrollThey said they could convince everyone in the secret plan but gunpowder, so it is believable
@@Coldkrollhis power involves locking you away in your head so he can control you but you die from rapid dehydration and you can see him giving gunpowder some water
@@ColdkrollAt 1:19 you can hear the TNT Brother say _"Mindblast, stop!"_
@@wdcain1 he says "Will you please fucking stop" But its also my headcanon mindstorm was controlling him.
She survived all that just to be done in by a stupid kid
2:04 - the actress playing young Mallory did a great job representing a normal human being on the brink of collapse, but she held her tears only to turn into disgust at 2:50 towards the Supes
soldier boy was cooking
indeed he was cooking noir for real
He was already cooked @@bruhmoment748
Man that gunpowder made me laugh. He went nuts on that thing.
He was mind-controled
@@varric Why do people keep saying this? There's zero proof.
@@flemch6136 Zero proof? First proof: Noir said to Stan Edgar that everyone was on the plan to sell Soldier Boy to the russians EXCEPT Gunpowder. Second proof: Mindstorm was giving water to him after the whole thing, and he says that everyone he mind-control gets dehydrated over time.
There's your proofs.
@@varric100%
@@flemch6136 *1.19*
The TNT twins literally say 'Mindstorm, STOP!'
Young Mallory was a PURE badass, I’d love to see a mini series dedicated to her.
Old Mallory was pretty badass herself.
RIP.
Maybe in vought rising well see
The tnt twins power kinda sucks 😭
Kinda? It fully sucks lol
@@angads.9819how it was powerful enough to knock down soldier boy
I like how they’re a parody of the wonder twins from DC. Their powers only work if they hold hands
Starlight did that herself 😂 they both suck and are dependent on each other or else they are fodder. Simple as @@Lumantrix
When you really look at it, most supes powers suck. But it's a good thing, keeps the show a bit more grounded and gritty and makes supes with real power(most of the 7, the magneto chick, Victoria) stand out.
0:49 she kept warning him about the dangers of flying and there he goes 🙄
It’s better to have a smart enemy than a foolish friend’-this is perfect example of what a foolish teammate can do to you
Not foolish, this was their plan
Why would it be a good thing to have a smart enemy tho
Technically these were “smart enemies”
1:38 holy shit she turned into Conan O'Brien
LOLOLOLOL
@@danieltaylor9459 xd Do you want to see a real war scene?💀
@0:24 her reaction to her own men getting blown up was kinda underwhelming 😂😭
Was Soldier Boy the only one actually fighting the Russians? All the other Payback supes seemed to kill Mallory's men so I want someone to clarify what's happening here.
That's correct. Soliderboy is handed over to the Russians by his own team. That's why noirs face is burnt because while mallory was unconscious, solider was attacked by his own team and ends up burning noirs against a burning vehicle
Stan edgar made a deal with noir to sell off solideeboy
Another theory is that Mindstorm brainwashed his own team members to kill off all the resistance members that was under Grace Miller so they wouldn't have any Witnesses what happened to Soldier Boy. That way they can maintain plausible deniability saying the Russians took Soldier Boy.
@@belliappa8408True, Payback (excluding Soldier Boy) was killing Mallory's men intentionally instead of accidentally so to cover up their betrayal.
largley i think thats the case, but gunpowders gone full on dakka dakka on everyone with the jeep gun, so not only are they cowards they cant tell their own side appart
@@belliappa8408 Thanks for clearing things up. That means Soldier Boy even though an arrogant douche, could have actually been able to be a good asset in the military.
I hope in season 5, for the comeback of soldier boy, we can see the fight in live action soldier boy vs payback
I just wanna see that Noir Soldier Boy fight
don't mess with us the boys fans, we don't watch our own show
@@ZoomOfficialYTthat phrase doesnt apply here dumby
@@ZoomOfficialYT yeah.. it's unlikely they will show it again.
Prolly not in S5 but in the prequel.
They can make supes but couldn't engineer noir a new face?
They probably preferred him controllable, it wasn’t like his combat abilities were decreased
Literally did that on purpose don't know who but someone said he'd be more likeable with his mask cause he was black. I don't agree and its wrong but they didn't plan on it but we're fine with it to market him more
I guess you also can't have too many black guys on the team. Not with homelander at the head.
They either create them from birth like homelander or inject them with serum
They could, but that's the whole point of noir, Edgar said it to him before this fiasco happened.
Gunpowder was like Tom Cruise in "its beautiful man its beautiful" :)
1:01 why did he point at her 😂
Think of it as like a gesture of acknowledgement: “I’m remembering that”. SB may be a huge douche canoe but he was a soldier
Actually I find it funny that a lot of people still don't understand that Payback killed Mallory's men on purpose.
Bet we see more young malory with the new prequel show coming out. She did a great job.
Unfortunately no as that show will take place in the 50s
These superheroes are totally uncompetent 😢
Yes and no. They attacked everyone not because they couldn’t bother to tell them apart but because they needed to eliminate any witnesses before betraying soldier boy.
Yep, mind storms controlling gunpowder because he was the only one they wouldn't be able to bring in. @@thatguy1272
They're not incompetent but they like to show off too much especially Soldier Boy. Crimson Countess, Mindstorm and Black Noir imo were the coolest among them.
@@erueru6101 Crimson countess is shit, I would avoid have her around me... her aim sucks
They knew what they were doing; they were eliminating witnesses for when they take on Soldier Boy
This is not a team of heroes this is a team of children
i love how this scene feels after you know what really happened, 10/10
You know, with context (spoilers) it actuslly makes sense that the other sups were taking out friendlies left and right. They knew what the plan was for soldier boy, and wanted to eliminate all witnesses
Tbh Soldier Boy lives up to his name he actually can tell who the enemy is unlike the others 😭
Haha soldier boy turned noir into freddy fucking kruger 🤣🤣
And now we know it's actually a story.
Why was Soldier Boy the only one correctly fighting who he was supposed to be fighting lol
coz he was being crossed by his own squadmates
@@ngari117 well dam
It was setup this way. He had become so violent and cruel that his own team members snapped & wanted him gone
The rest of payback team deliberately murder Mallory's men to make way for russians and to cover their betrayal.
@@ZeonEons na fan the set hi up because he was getting all the light and they where trying to make homelander lol and he only attack noir because well... this was old times black guys vs white remenber...
Holy shit swatto has to be the dumbest out of the entirety of PAYBACK, Grace says Soldier Boy's the most idiotic but when he literally flew a second time without clearance despite Stan Edgar's warning tells me otherwise lmfao.
0:55 In this scene, shouldn't Soldier Boy with those go through and kill those soldiers? It seems like he has the strength of a human in that fight until he throws his shield at that guy.
Big ups to the lady who plays the younger version of Mallory!
I’m Noir even survived being beaten the shit by Soldier Boy
0:56 isnt he almost as strong as homelander why is his punches hitting like a regular person lol
1:02
This is the event that made Grace hate supes. Ironic because they were supposed to be on her side but they caused more ruin than the Russians.
They were purposely gunning down her men apart from gunpowder, who was being mind controlled
When she arrived on camp she already despised them because they were loud, open and arrogant. Especially soldier boy
I want this scene in live action
this scene kinda reminds me of rambo 4
Pena que malory foi morta talvez agora com a volta do soldier boy ela conseguisse um macho
if it was planned then why was swatto killed ridiculously?? lol
Cause he's a dummy
Not everything goes according to the plan
@@ComradeStrogg he could've just hide like a coward...lol...i mean he knew the plan
@@CommanderBacaraswatto was running for his life because he could only do flying not fight like the others
He was the actul joke. Lol
So actually thry did it on purpose so no Eye witness
The only supes that didn’t suck or completely useless were Soldier Boy and Black Noir.
Grace was a criminal
huh?
How so?
More like a corrupt CIA operative who helped snuggle drugs into minority parts of the US. She wasn't a hero thats for sure
@@xsh4dw they fully show how she was aiding the Contras in drug trafficking lmao
@@xsh4dwthey were supplying drugs into black neighbourhoods
Looking back, maybe soldierboy was an asshole with his team because of how incompetent they were, only exception being noir tho, maybe he saw him as a rival that could take the leadership away or sm
Nope he was abusive to them because he didn’t want them taking the spotlight that he spend years making he’s like homelander only if he was emotionally and mentally stable
@@ryanlozano9086 soldier boy was strong, but not invincible, so no god complex i think, just some brutal celebrity narcism created by Vought - and maybe a better childhood?
@@MyBrainGlows yeah exactly like homelander only a bit different
Soldier boy wouldn't allow any of his team members to be anything but his team. Noir went for an audition (TV commercial or something) but soldier boy already sabotaged it and then beat the hell out of noir
they were not incompetent...they were in the process of betraying soldier boy, they did this on purpose. They needed to kill all the witnesses, this is not "oh we are so stupid" this is "we are betraying you"
1:01
They could’ve continued to attack the Russians when they attempted to leave.
that was a fake
payback (excluding soldier boy who they betrayed and excluding gunpowder who was simply mind controlled in this scene) were conspiring with the russians to get rid of soldier boi
@@alechandro89 I know. It was an area where they slipped up.
They could just say that they were too injured from the fighting to catch up (which is only like 50% untrue)
Swatto is such an irrelevant character he didn't even talk (from what I remember) in the brief time he was shown.
I think soldier boy was misunderstood and wasn’t given a chance to grow. He was racist but he was raised in a different time and could have probably been taught better. He stood by word and was willing to bring homelander down so maybe in the last season we will get that redemption
How and when was he racist?
he was homophobic,not racist
@@ngari117 not even actually homophobic iirc (beyond the vocabulary), he was just notoriously an asshole (plus the PTSD and issues with his father)
He's irredeemable but likeable, just like Stormfront.
He hasn't even acknowledged that he was a bad guy yet, that's like the first step to redemption. He was abusive towards his team, very much implied he molested gunpownder, and gave zero craps about the lives of the innocent that he killed. He is just like homelander but on a slightly smaller scale.
Russians are always powerful💪💪💪
😂😂😂😂 it was plan
No wonder soldier boy hunted his ex team members one by one.They are the most lame superhero group ever.
and because they all jumped him and sold him off to the russians while Mallory was unconscious
Even Homelander as partner would be better than that entire team
Yeah im sure the cia had loads of strong women in frontline positions everywhere lmao
They did
They showed one fucking woman and you're bitching. 🤣🤣
@@Starman256😂
Every CIA agent in every modern movie ever be like
@@johnmurdoch8534 Your mom is a strong woman for taking the loads I sent to her frontline positions.
First
Grace is a fackin supe and Ryan didn’t kill her and he knows he didn’t watch and see I mean look at the shit she survives here she’s a supe at least with buffed speed and durability