Can Big Ten Remove Underperforming Conference Football Schools?
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- Would the Big Ten ever cast aside its underperforming football schools? Everything regarding college sports has been about expansion. Could the Big 10 kick out schools like Indiana, Purdue, or Rutgers? Would the SEC kick out a school like Vanderbilt? The lower performing schools are not in a position to win championships and they don't bring in as much revenue or garner big TV ratings like some of their more popular counterparts. Yet, they still collect $75-100 million dollars a year from their respective conference media deals. It's something to ponder in the future but we will look at it today.
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To quote "The Incredibles": "If everyone is super, then no one is super."
If you have a conference full of Michigan's, then odds are all your teams will be around .500. The powerful schools do need some other teams to rack up those wins against. And sometimes, you'll get an upset or two. And every now and then, you'll get one of the "lesser" schools on a run for the championship or a high-end bowl game. That is what makes college football fun.
Big12 has that problem currently, though they aren't at the level of michigans, they all are at practically the same level with the exception of like 1 or 2 teams.
Those weaker schools give the Big Ten a presence in their area and that helps with the conferences recruiting reach.
Do it. The B10 will be the best two-team conference in FBS.
Always been a two team conference since I've been following college football in the early 1960s.
The Big Ten hasnt always been a 2 team conference. Ohio State isntba founding member. WTF are you talking about
@A1Googler He never said OSU was a founding school, learn to read before you hate. Dolt
"Can Big Ten Remove Underperforming Conference Football Schools?" Seriously? Based on recent performance, they would eliminate Illinois, Nebraska, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, etc. Pretty much most of the entire BIG-west and all but three of the BIG-east (MI, OSU, Penn St.).
When you think about it, that's probably why all these schools were put in the B10 West (llinois, Nebraska, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers)? It's basically a list of schools that are going to be jettisoned off as B10 brings in more successful teams from the West coast. The B10 west will have to either join other minor conferences or form their own conference, minus all the lucrative TV contracts.
You are are full of poop @vorlonAngel
Why does everyone come for Rutgers? They actually put football first and what to be a power. Indiana, Purdue, Maryland, Illinois and NW been getting B10 checks for decades. Rutgers just got there .
Maryland just got there also, remember when they entered with them, and mostly beats Rutgers.
NU has 2 division titles and 5 bowl wins since Rutgers arrived
@@fecat93wouldn’t have happened in the East division bro. Pound ur chest elsewhere
Purdue, the founding school of the BIG, has a solid program, increased attendance, many bowl seasons, most NFL QBs as any school in US. Rutgers is no where near Purdue in football. Indiana has the worst record in all NCAA history.
@@mic1240 Northwestern only has a winning football record against a single early member -- Indiana, although we are almost even with Illinois.
It used to be the Big 2 and the little 8. I think the "little 8" will consider any attack on one of them is an attack on all of them.
There have to be some bottom feeders and having resources to fund better facilities will help these schools to rise. Northwestern is doing a major rebuild of their stadium and they are challenged by their academic admissions standards. No one can refute the prestige of a degree from Northwestern University. No one conference should have all powerhouse teams. The problem is that the NCAA allowed too many teams to advance to the top division.
No one would be forced out however I could imagine my school Northwestern leaving if football became too professional and the athletes weren't students any longer.
@@fecat93It's NW, not Stanford or UC Berkeley.
@@gabeswitala2292 By your usage of NW you clearly know nothing about Northwestern. Beyond that what are you implying?
Berkeley is more of a bad football Michigan as they are politically/academically similar - public, leftist, and good academics.
Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Vanderbilt are very similar as the alumni, faculty, and administration have mixed feelings towards big $ athletics. I'm sure all considered following U of Chicago's lead at one time or another.
@fecat93 My point is that Stanford hates FB and UC Berkeley hates all sports in general. But because of the revenue they generate they will forever hypocritically suckle on the teat of sports and FB revenue. NW doesn't hate their FB team.
I wish the ACC would have left the two to their own athletic demise. It would have suited them right and gave them a healthy dose of justice.
@@gabeswitala2292the irony is, Cal and Stanford might still get left to their own demise if the ACC falls apart.
Look, yes, some of them suck. But, Ohio State has to have someone’s ass to kick. They can’t all be Alabama and Ohio State. The real beauty is this, Big10 schools get loads of credit for their reciting ratings. So the results on the field don’t really matter so much as long as they get the win. Getting the win requires some Purdue’s and North Westerns, along with some once great Nebraska’s and Penn States. Stack those wins and boom, respect. Put Alabama, Texas, OU, Georgia, OSU, Michigan, USC, PennState, Oregon, LSU in the same conference and that really is the big10. But… like I said, you have to have someone’s ass to kick.
Once great????? My Nittany Lions 🦁 in the same breath as Nebraska, you should get your comment card revoked!!!!! WE ARE 👍
The Big Ten is not dumping any university. There are more considerations in play such as the conference as a whole being worth more than the individual universities in terms of athletic dollars. Also, football dollars is chump change compared to academic dollars. UCLA and Washington generates around $2 billion per year and USC over $1 billion per year in academic dollars. The Big Ten faculty and university presidents love this and it dramatically increases the heft of the Big Ten Academic Alliance. If anything, the Big Ten is holding two seats open; one for Norte Dame and another university (Stanford?) to preserve rivalries and increase academic prestige and football dollars. In short, football isn’t everything.
northwestern should go. add FSU. don't drop Purdue or Indiana unless we add Notre dame. Rutgers was never a good add.
Athletics revenue totals roughly $1 billion per year. That's a lot. Research revenue totals nearly $1 billion per year PER SCHOOL. Big Ten is tops and it isn't even close. Football guys won't have a say here, guaranteed.
Your exactly right, and I guarantee you that my Nittany Lions 🦁, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Georgia, Bama, and LSU
percentage wise are the big bad dogs that bring in the big bucks!!!! WE ARE
Now way bro. There’s no possible way you can regulate the non money makers to Peacock, BTN+, BTN…. It absolutely blows my mind to do that.
Can you imagine OSU/USC on Peacock because the same presidents that voted on this deal, voted to kick out the teams that can take those time slots so everyone can $100 million…..
Not this crap again. 😂
Some schools are in the Big 10 because of reasons other than football.
It has just recently reached to the west coast.
All conferences have "bottom feeders".
This sounds nuts. Somebody has to loose for the other schools to make money.
The Big10 will continue to expand, but will not get rid of any of their current members. At the end of the current contract i do believe they will have eliminate equal revenue shares, but the Indiana's and Rutgers of the league will still get way more than they would out of the other conferences.
I don’t think they’ll ever get to 30. 24 max. However, they should put pressure on the teams to have a minimum recruiting budget or top 20 finishes across a number of sports.
They shouldn’t even consider it. This conference needs door mats
This narrative needs to end. No, B1G will not cur underperforming football schools. Reason being, those "underperforming" schools have been member institutions longer than Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State etc. Teams like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Minnesota will side with those lower schools for multiple reasons. One being, if they get chopped, it increases the change they do. The other is, all of the top tier teams need those lower games to bolster their egos.
The conferences are already to big. At 18 schools the teams will barely see each other excepted for protected games. No real chance to build new rivalries and those games are the most exciting.
I'm hoping a sub conference forms with the original big ten. Put all the western schools in a pac division and the eastern schools in an eastern division.
Reglation like Britsh soccer. A league & B league.
Only 5 continuous 1896 members UW NU IL PU MN. MI left and rejoined in 1917
No, as no team must be bad forever, and coaches and administrations both change and/or are replaced. Plus there is a history and familiarity in conferences.
The founding members have their place in the big ten guaranteed, was part of the original agreement to expand. So basically your topic can't happen at least to the original 10 teams.
Craig, college conferences are going away soon. NFL and NBA regional conferences will emerge cuz it's about $$$$$$$$$$! So, you're not far off, but still missing the real model! Look for a blend with soccer, if you can't compete you're dropped and replaced by hot school. Ratings! That's the game! Angel USC'78
Rutgers deserves 50 million period.
History and Tradition Matter. Did the Conference need to expand?, Yes. The additions made were all done to expand its reach. It is a true national Conference now. However, you don't relegate a historic member because of football history. The Conference probably needs Arizona and to add a Mountain time zone program. It probably needs a southern member for an even twenty.
The Big 12 would immediately swoop up the B1G rejects if the B1G kicks out any members.
Conference realignment feels like 1980’s cable bundling of something that should be about college sports not excellence based on business acumen.
Rutgers is a decent QB away from being a pretty good football program. They would have finished 10-3 with a huge upset win over Ohio State if they had one last season.
There is a reason a conference that has been around for more than 120 years has only one former member. The B1G will not kick anyone out!!!!!
It's impossible for all teams to have winning records. There will always need to be the floormats so the good teams staying winning 😊
If you kick out the patsies you’re left with about 6 teams
Tier 1 college football is coming. Mega money is there. Rivalry, regions as well as marketing does not matter.
Don't forget that football brings in money but the money that the research money makes the football look like you live in the poor side of town, Northwestern and the rest bring in money too.
None are getting kicked out. The top schools will leave to form a new conference. The Leaders or Legends or whatever and leave the Perdues or the world in the BIG. No litigation this way.
The Big Ten needs to dump Rutgers. Rutgers would probably get turned away from Conference USA.
Presidents make these decisions at the end of the day ..... how good is your med school matters more than your teams ...... research dollars ...... plus tradition .....however, if we had a worldwide depression? Ya never know ......... money and Title IX would rule the day.
NBC and espn will ultimately decide if the weak schools are removed. I’ve never watched a Rutgers game, no matter who they play, and I never will. Not entertaining in the least.
This comment feels like a black person telling me what it's like to be white after they just tell me I have no idea what its like to be black.
So, to all those who poo-poo the idea of jettisoning lower level teams, answer me this. How often have you watched an Indiana-Purdue football game? Or, Northwestern-Illinois game? Or, any combination of those teams?
this comment indicates you didn’t attend a Big Ten school, or never attended one of those “bottom feeder” games. Well, if you had, you would understand what Big Ten culture and Big Ten schools are actually like. It is about tradition, and those rivalries do matter. Having witnessed Purdue beat MSU and OSU in person, multiple times, it’s awesome for students who go there. This guy is an idiot.
When the college presidents are putting it out there, you can take is seriously.
More likely, a team would ask for unequal distribution first.
Nebraska also
How about ditching bottom feeder basketball programs while we're at it then. 🤣
Short answer NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NW and ILL are the Chicago market. Illinois has one of the largest alum associations in the country and Chicago is full of alum. Ill has one of the best NIL programs in the country right now. Indiana and Purdue Indi TV market. MN Minneapolis. Not to mention the AAU research dollars and collaboration from an academic standpoint. Now let me flip it, some of these "bad football" schools lead the conference in basketball. The only legit drop might be Nebraska b/c what is their T.V. market and they aren't AAU?
Thanks for watching. Appreciate your take.
Easier just to cut their share of the revenue. That is DEFINATELY gonna happen.
I doubt it will ever happen. At the conference level, there will never be the votes. Destabilizing the conference in this way would be nothing short of idiotic.
Northwestern and Rutgers are the bottom no one would reject
I get what you're saying, but every sport MUST have jobbers to beat up on. Why do you think big brand teams play the directional schools each year? Jobbers are worth having in the conference.
So does that mean that Nebraska would gwt the boot for theyre football performance? Ya i didnt think so.
Nobody said that.
No. I'm a PSU fan who visits Northwestern once a month. If you don't know the value that Northwestern brings to the B1G then I don't know what to say.
I am a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, and I see what you are saying buddy, and agree 👍!!@ WE ARE
Big Ten Schools are flagship institutions. I really don't see the hate against smaller football schools. I think the conference is more about shared vision in athletes and research than purely money. They make huge amounts of money, but they aren't going to kick out Northwestern for a college with poor research and a solely football based culture.
Indiana is number thirteen in athletic revenue nationally and USC and UCLA don't even make the top 25.
Indiana basketball is legendary
USC doesn't report. It's a private school
How would the top schools beat their chest, before falling short in a playoff against an evenly-matched opponent?
And good luck kicking a school out without plenty of litigation.
Go Ducks!!!
I knew this was coming
Do your homework. Northwestern and Purdue, as B1G charter members, are protected.
Why replace schools? If the B1G voted Indiana and Rutgers off the island, the payout for the remaining schools would go up.
Plus it helps to have a handful of "easy" in-conference games for the top schools to play.
Rutgers is trending upward under Greg Schiano. As well as many sports across the board. A far cry from the dumpster fire of 10 years ago. It's also located in a prime recruiting area. I see Rutgers becoming a mid-tier to upper half of the mid-tier school.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 It isn't about trends or wins. It is all about TV eyeballs aka $$$$.
What rights do charter members hold that Indiana and Iowa, for example, do not have (both of whom joined in 1899)?
Voting schools out just makes it possible for the next team up to be cut. It is all a stupid idea to begin with.
Maybe do some big ten research before going on TH-cam and wasting everyone's time
😂😂 this guy has no clue about the foundation of the big ten. IU and Michigan are the pillars of the Big ten. Good luck with this ridiculous premise.
Actually written in the bylaws that the original members cannot be expelled
IU isn’t a founder, Purdue is though
@@rjhall6055 I said Pillars not founders. Very different.
Iu should be in the sun belt
It has nothing to do with wins and losses. It has to do with viewership. IU has a viewership which is greater than many of the other members. Also not everyone can have a winning record in a conference. There has to be teams that lose. If everyone is great then half the great teams lose each week. You don’t want your big brands losing half the time. You want competitive games, but still want the Big Brands to win. Indiana and Purdue fill that niche.
Inevitable.
No
Haha you just knew this was next.
And The PAC-12 had better teams
Won't happen. Let's stop entertaining this.
All the monkeying around has caused me to lose interest.
Idiocy at its best
No, we are NOT kicking teams out of the Big Ten. Anyone suggesting such is a new fanboy far removed from what made this conference great.
And this poster's comment on "pulling your own weight" is the height of ignorance. SOMEONE HAS TO LOSE. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. The reason this conference formed and has been as stable over 100+ years with revenue sharing is because these teams want to play each other.
Lol...
Purdue should be the first to go.
They competed in the conference championship game two seasons ago. Their basketball program is the best in the conference. They have been a member institution longer than every top tier football school in the B1G. Don't be stupid.
Kick rutgers and northwestern out…seriously they blow
Both schools made and won their bowl games in 2023.
Honestly, dump Ohio state, can't beat an sec school if their life depended on it, look at the record, biggest disappointment in the big ten. For their place in the big ten hierarchy, truly the biggest disappointment. It's all relevant!
Lloyd Carr beat the sec as many times as Osuck has all-time
Get rid of the Fraud known as James Franklin and the Penn State pretenders...........
Big 10 used to pride itself on academics
Then They pissed that away adding worthless Oregon
Oregon is an AAU school with top-ranked faculty including Noble and Pullitzer Prize winners. Their research is top-notch: They are #1 among AAU schools in licensing/research dollars spent which is one good metric used to measure the importance of research generated. They just opened the first half of a new billion dollar research institute in Eugene and a half billion branch campus in Portland which will house law, architecture, and education students among others while generating additional research. The new research institute at Oregon has helped to generate 32 start-up companies with direct ties to the U of O, helping the state to a #3 ranking in innovation economy and business competitiveness. Oregon generates a 2.6 billion yearly return to the state of Oregon. You may be an osu beaver, your school left behind. For your own mental health, you need to stop obsessively disparaging Oregon on every site mentioning the Big-10 and Oregon. Oregon is moving onward and upward. You need to do likewise.
@@tallfir2520
Yes it’s true, somehow Oregon hasn’t been tossed from the AAU
They should be
Any school thst spends more on athletics than research isn’t a serious school.
Oregon is worthless to the big 10 and brings them down
Spin it how you want, Oregon state has a better research profile than Oregon