Skink attendant: Wise and mighty Slann, are you sure this action is part of the great plan?" Life Slann: "Of course Skink-thing. We shall destroy them with our defeats!" Later revealed to be three skaven in a fat suit.
Frog: "I'll be back.... right now!" XD Thinking about it, that's basically guerilla warfare, you attack, retreat as soon as things get dicy, then reattack XD
Loremaster: General, Carnosaurus approaching, shall we commence? General: No. This is a thing between the phoenix and the Saurus. No interference will be tolerated.
The Kroxigors are actually doing something really important here. They are being a bunch of balance of power to lose by retreating them which triggers the army losses earlier, making it a lot less likely you accidentally get the Carnasaur killed (it probably would have died in attempt #3 if the kroxs had not been there).
I love how silly the AI is. Elf Soldier: "Hey, general... our phoenix is being eaten alive by a dinosaur... maybe we should help?" Elf General: "Nah... it's fine." Phoenix: "Help me! For gods sake! Help! Me!" Elf General: "It's fine."
Mazdamundi: We're gonna lose Skeggi to Yvresse. Any idea guys? Life Slann: I might... No, that's utterly stupid. Although... No, it won't work. But if we... Mazdamundi: Don't worry, we're on a brainstorming, nobody will judge you. Life Slann: Alright, check this. When they come... Mazdamundi: Yes? Life Slann: We run away. Mazdamundi: *start applausing as the council is cheering* Genius. He's a strategic genius.
@Qubec Chibo yeah many people fled from him but a few times his tactic was to retreat and then get the attackers into an ambush situation. he litterally retreated to defeat them because they broke ranks and followed in no ordered fashion
"Sir they are retreating shall we follow them to ensure they can not regain their strength to fight us again". "Don't give chase it could be a trap". 30 fights later "I think this was the trap"
@@Nickzorner idk man i think hard is not as bullshit and you can still use all the infantry, just enemy infantry will be more tough to kill. as it should be. (because we outplay the AI a lot and thus the AI needs buffs) anyways, this is a very subjective topic and no matter my opinion, yours could differ 180° and it would still be legit for both of us. i personally like to play on vh / vh and for me just legendary battle diff is bullshit cuz it makes my infantry way too weak.
I actually use a similar cheese in my legendary very hard norsca campaigns. Losing battles as norsca has a chance of giving you a follower that has the leadership reduction effect. So farming losses as nosca is an actual tactic to build those doomstacks to instarouts enemies via leadership damage.
lol . Some may honestly think that cheesing is not playing the game the proper way but for me legendary is way too hard without cheese and I have a couple of world domination campaigns with different races on legendary difficulty. I wouldn't have been able to do it without cheese. The worst part is you don't even have ordinary saves so if you screw up so once you lose that lose is in that save file no matter what . .
@@angelicking2890 i learned back in the days of Diablo 2's hardcore characters that there is no such thing as a losing dozens of hours of play for one mistake, unless you want that to happen to you. When i play legendary i manually save every 10-15 turns or so (at least in the beggining), by COPYING the save file somewhere else on my drive ! Shocking, I know.
@@unqiuehandle Well, good. When you play MP against good players you lose and if you like the challenge you learn to be better at the game. Legendary should give you the same feel not just "Hi I'm the AI and 5 turns in your campaign I have 2-3 full armies that you can't kill unless you abuse the mechanics" bs. I love playing on normal where I can build balanced armies and playing the first 10 turns is awesome but the AI falls short and most times they start to get wrecked after turn 50.
@@unqiuehandle That's why we have dificulty settings. either way you would still manage as long as you dont screw up. smart enemy AI would only force you to play smarter (not only in battle but on the map too).
@@AwayWithYouVileBeggar the design issue goes beyond the AI. AI capable of playing the game doesn't even exist, so they have to deal with that by giving subpar AI cheats The actual problem is that TW games are too "open", there's too many choices to make and its impossible to program and AI to act intelligently with so many options.
I've had this sort of "broken leadership bug" before, during battles at sea, where a broken unit just decides to keep fighting cuz why not. In my case it would trigger on the AI's Kharibdysses, they just wouldn't actually rout when broken and would keep fighting. After a while they would actually stop being broken altogether... RIP to my poor peasant archers, didn't stand a chance
I've never faced such a thing and hope not to do so . I did however face a weird bug where in a quest battle the skaven left , litterally all units routed , but somehow the battle didn't give me a victory but that was only once. Warhammer is pretty much bug free for me.
The ai defensive position is something interesting and huge cheese potential, you can destroy multiple armies with just a couple of units if you are very careful. I just destroyed full skaven army with two cavalery units and a lord to bait one of their units at a time into a deadly trap. You Have to know: NO MISSILE and NO SPELL DAMAGE on both sides are allowed to exist for this to work, so forget yours and waste theirs first. You can heal and buff just fine. But only do that cheese if you really have to, I had to kill 3 armies in a row with level one lord and RoR units, so no choice. P.S. want more tips? ok units that are fast will atack first and will chase you down really far sometimes, and if you fight too close to the army they all will try to attack but if you are just on the edge of their agro they will turn back and forth as if they are not sure what to do so you can keep fighting for a bit longer.
"Death is shit!" I mean, Wind of Death? When used against your armies sure because that's trash against single entity units, but when against the AI, you CANNOT tell me there's something more satisfying than wiping out an entire battle line of infantry with a single spell.
it's really like Mellindirei - "I have the superior army, Victory is Mine" Bramak - "I will endure a thousands deaths before I Yield" Mellindirei - "....I guess I lose then"
The thing is, I was born without patience, you need patience for most of Legend´s cheese works. I already knew about the retreats, you can use them for arrow replenishment as well. In sieges you can pretty much win with siege weapons only by retreating once you are out of ammo and attacking again. Like I wrote though, I am a very impatient player :).
Don't worry, even mid-range, dedicated gaming rigs can have loooooooong loading times in this game, if the game is stored on a HDD instead of SSD... Or maybe it's just my 160+ mods doing it... XD
@@EagleScoutmano nah, it still takes a good while to load even on SSDs, I run a few moderate mods (respect button, reskinned banners and such) and most 20+ vs 20+ fights still take a good 15-30sec to load. You can get the occasional quick loaded fight that only takes 5sec, but what actually determines it I have no clue about, since the long loading times still occur with small early game armies.
Yes-yes Sending his friends to cheese-outsmart and be mocked-defeated repeatedly while simultaneously scratching-harassing the enemy. How very sneaky-wise of LegendOfTotalCheese, yes-yes.
*When the first SYDB he gets in Warhammer III will be either Ogre's or Khorne's, you can bet your ass he'll be doing this if it's against a missile faction*
Now I want to see MercyTheMad figure out how to get this to happen on like turn 10 and exploit it to get to level 40. Basically the vampire vassal cheese but with no downsides!
At first I thought he was going to describe a get-out-of-jail free tactic, but the life wizzard was so important here. It's still OP, but not as applicable as I hoped it would be. I think I might use it, but I feel like it's too much. If I see 4 armies, I'll use this to get rid of 1. Otherwise, I'll just take 3 good defeats and then go for the victory.
I am begining to think that it would be fun to use real cheese name (french ones :p) for certain type of cheese. "So today we will be doing a camember with a little Cantal twist!" x)
Saw this today and had the chance to use it immediately in my Norsca campaign against cothique. Start the battle, get two purple suns in, leave. Start the battle, get two purple suns in, leave. Over and over again till they were completely worn out. Kind of stupid but fun as well 😂
i did this with a single low lvl lore of metal wizard once, took an eternity. just ran enemy army in circles on max speed. retreat, get my magic back. over and over. they started with two armies lol
it healed, but there was still a good 30-45 seconds of combat left and it got whittled down again and right as the fight ended it got hit one last time and died.
Skink attendant: Wise and mighty Slann, are you sure this action is part of the great plan?"
Life Slann: "Of course Skink-thing. We shall destroy them with our defeats!" Later revealed to be three skaven in a fat suit.
Slaan: "Guys, we have to be careful. This is like, the fourth time this has happened."
I was about to say. "Skink-thing"? Doesn't that sound like Skaven?
"three skaven in a fat suit" gets you a like, sir.
Elves: "We won!"
Frog: "Well yes, but actually no"
Frog: "I'll be back.... right now!" XD
Thinking about it, that's basically guerilla warfare, you attack, retreat as soon as things get dicy, then reattack XD
And basing ourselves on Lizardmen lore, Lizardmen do A LOT of guerrilla
Loremaster: General, Carnosaurus approaching, shall we commence?
General: No. This is a thing between the phoenix and the Saurus. No interference will be tolerated.
(speak in Ken Watanabe voice)
Let them fight!
Legend loses 0 Defeats Campain.
Next video: Here is why Defeats are OP
he got defeated in that campaign? :O
@@darth0tator yes sadly. Part 16 if i remember correctly. And he lost with a doomstack of all things. maxed out irony lol
@@ALPH4RIUS You meant 1mpossible ?
“Flawless Victory”
IIRC, LoTW made a campaign where he'd have 0 wins in M2 lmao
The Kroxigors are actually doing something really important here. They are being a bunch of balance of power to lose by retreating them which triggers the army losses earlier, making it a lot less likely you accidentally get the Carnasaur killed (it probably would have died in attempt #3 if the kroxs had not been there).
200 IQ logic right here xD
@@robinekhoodekful exactly why I recruited them :DD
When your greatest value is your retreat
@@daviddavidson5961 Craventail approved.
Legend is once again channeling his inner Skaven
Nah, it's 200 IQ Slann thinking this time
it really should be clan rictus game mechanic (more fleshed out and on attack)
I love how silly the AI is.
Elf Soldier: "Hey, general... our phoenix is being eaten alive by a dinosaur... maybe we should help?"
Elf General: "Nah... it's fine."
Phoenix: "Help me! For gods sake! Help! Me!"
Elf General: "It's fine."
Yesterday: Infinite victories +1 defeat campaign.
Today: Infinite defeats to ensure +1 victory.
he's playing as the enemy armies in his last campaign
The Virgin skeptic: “Uuugh, Legend! This is Bullshit!”
The Chad Legend: “Yeah it is”
Mazdamundi: We're gonna lose Skeggi to Yvresse. Any idea guys?
Life Slann: I might... No, that's utterly stupid. Although... No, it won't work. But if we...
Mazdamundi: Don't worry, we're on a brainstorming, nobody will judge you.
Life Slann: Alright, check this. When they come...
Mazdamundi: Yes?
Life Slann: We run away.
Mazdamundi: *start applausing as the council is cheering* Genius. He's a strategic genius.
ah, napoleon's tactics. :D
@Qubec Chibo yeah many people fled from him but a few times his tactic was to retreat and then get the attackers into an ambush situation. he litterally retreated to defeat them because they broke ranks and followed in no ordered fashion
@@udozocklein6023 Ah, I can see you're a man of culture as well.
"Sir they are retreating shall we follow them to ensure they can not regain their strength to fight us again".
"Don't give chase it could be a trap".
30 fights later
"I think this was the trap"
When i started watching this video my neighbours began knocking on my door, complaining about the smell of cheese comming from my appartment.
"Shut-be quiet, neighbour-thing!!" ? :
That's amazing, I had no idea this was a thing. Thanks for continuing to show these little tricks Legend
*"Tyrion. I've come to bargain."*
This is the most Skaven thing I've ever seen Lizardmen do.
Man, it really puts the ai buffs in perspective watching the blessed carnosaur's hp melt the moment infantry touch it.
i think the burst damage came from the 2 archer units. the 2 infantry units just helt the carno in place.
but yeah.... i feel your point.
that is why, if you want a challenge that doesn't feel like bullshit you should just increase the campaign dificulty instead.
@@manofculture4938 you think VH is already bullshit? or just legendary?
@@udozocklein6023 the battle difficulty slider is bullshit. Legendary/normal is the way to go
@@Nickzorner idk man i think hard is not as bullshit and you can still use all the infantry, just enemy infantry will be more tough to kill. as it should be. (because we outplay the AI a lot and thus the AI needs buffs)
anyways, this is a very subjective topic and no matter my opinion, yours could differ 180° and it would still be legit for both of us.
i personally like to play on vh / vh and for me just legendary battle diff is bullshit cuz it makes my infantry way too weak.
This is Legend's masterpiece.
...id argue his undefeated high elf campaign was his greatest masterpiece to date... But this is one hell of a little trick
He did this all the time in his last Ikit Claw This Is Total War
Legend you're the only channel that can give us something as clickbait as "losing repeatedly is winning" and just deliver so hard
I actually use a similar cheese in my legendary very hard norsca campaigns. Losing battles as norsca has a chance of giving you a follower that has the leadership reduction effect. So farming losses as nosca is an actual tactic to build those doomstacks to instarouts enemies via leadership damage.
You could also use it to farm mercenaries for bretonnia. Any bit of extra replenishment is always welcome.
One of the most amazing things I discover via this channel is cheeses, bugs, and mechanics that CA is rarely clear on, but are, in fact, in the game.
That phoenix dying the last second possible was amazing. Ranald is truly on your side
"BuT LeGeNd ThAt'S cHeEsE" - Players that think the AI getting hax is cool game design (Probably)
lol . Some may honestly think that cheesing is not playing the game the proper way but for me legendary is way too hard without cheese and I have a couple of world domination campaigns with different races on legendary difficulty. I wouldn't have been able to do it without cheese. The worst part is you don't even have ordinary saves so if you screw up so once you lose that lose is in that save file no matter what . .
@@angelicking2890 i learned back in the days of Diablo 2's hardcore characters that there is no such thing as a losing dozens of hours of play for one mistake, unless you want that to happen to you.
When i play legendary i manually save every 10-15 turns or so (at least in the beggining), by COPYING the save file somewhere else on my drive !
Shocking, I know.
@@unqiuehandle Well, good. When you play MP against good players you lose and if you like the challenge you learn to be better at the game. Legendary should give you the same feel not just "Hi I'm the AI and 5 turns in your campaign I have 2-3 full armies that you can't kill unless you abuse the mechanics" bs.
I love playing on normal where I can build balanced armies and playing the first 10 turns is awesome but the AI falls short and most times they start to get wrecked after turn 50.
@@unqiuehandle That's why we have dificulty settings. either way you would still manage as long as you dont screw up. smart enemy AI would only force you to play smarter (not only in battle but on the map too).
@@AwayWithYouVileBeggar the design issue goes beyond the AI. AI capable of playing the game doesn't even exist, so they have to deal with that by giving subpar AI cheats
The actual problem is that TW games are too "open", there's too many choices to make and its impossible to program and AI to act intelligently with so many options.
I've had this sort of "broken leadership bug" before, during battles at sea, where a broken unit just decides to keep fighting cuz why not. In my case it would trigger on the AI's Kharibdysses, they just wouldn't actually rout when broken and would keep fighting. After a while they would actually stop being broken altogether... RIP to my poor peasant archers, didn't stand a chance
I've never faced such a thing and hope not to do so . I did however face a weird bug where in a quest battle the skaven left , litterally all units routed , but somehow the battle didn't give me a victory but that was only once. Warhammer is pretty much bug free for me.
I knew this would happen if units came on in reserve after Army Losses was inflicted, but didn't know this was a thing.
'Life over death, life wins. Death is shit.'
~Jeff the Philosopher
Whenever I think I must have seen all of Legend's cheese now, he reaches under the counter and pulls out a whole other cheesewheel.
Life over death, life wins, death is shit
Thank you for your inspiration sir
13:25 "AHH, Legend! This is bullshit!"
" Yeah it is, Yeah it is 😏"
Imma say it: this is possibly one of the best Legend videos of all time. It belongs in the Hall of Legend!
Chariots at 17:08 - Did I leave the iron on? Hang on, brb
The ai defensive position is something interesting and huge cheese potential, you can destroy multiple armies with just a couple of units if you are very careful. I just destroyed full skaven army with two cavalery units and a lord to bait one of their units at a time into a deadly trap. You Have to know: NO MISSILE and NO SPELL DAMAGE on both sides are allowed to exist for this to work, so forget yours and waste theirs first. You can heal and buff just fine. But only do that cheese if you really have to, I had to kill 3 armies in a row with level one lord and RoR units, so no choice.
P.S. want more tips? ok units that are fast will atack first and will chase you down really far sometimes, and if you fight too close to the army they all will try to attack but if you are just on the edge of their agro they will turn back and forth as if they are not sure what to do so you can keep fighting for a bit longer.
"Death is shit!"
I mean, Wind of Death? When used against your armies sure because that's trash against single entity units, but when against the AI, you CANNOT tell me there's something more satisfying than wiping out an entire battle line of infantry with a single spell.
it's really like
Mellindirei - "I have the superior army, Victory is Mine"
Bramak - "I will endure a thousands deaths before I Yield"
Mellindirei - "....I guess I lose then"
Average player: Legend, how much cheese are you going to use?
LegendofTotalWar: Yes.
The thing is, I was born without patience, you need patience for most of Legend´s cheese works. I already knew about the retreats, you can use them for arrow replenishment as well. In sieges you can pretty much win with siege weapons only by retreating once you are out of ammo and attacking again. Like I wrote though, I am a very impatient player :).
Same, especially as I play on a toaster and some loading times are longer than the battles, so I usually play a lot with just autoresolve XD
Don't worry, even mid-range, dedicated gaming rigs can have loooooooong loading times in this game, if the game is stored on a HDD instead of SSD...
Or maybe it's just my 160+ mods doing it... XD
@@EagleScoutmano nah, it still takes a good while to load even on SSDs, I run a few moderate mods (respect button, reskinned banners and such) and most 20+ vs 20+ fights still take a good 15-30sec to load. You can get the occasional quick loaded fight that only takes 5sec, but what actually determines it I have no clue about, since the long loading times still occur with small early game armies.
@@WondderWaffel 20-30 seconds... I'm talking about 3-5 minutes to load a battle, despite having absolutely zero lag/delay during the fight itself....
Yes-yes
Sending his friends to cheese-outsmart and be mocked-defeated repeatedly while simultaneously scratching-harassing the enemy. How very sneaky-wise of LegendOfTotalCheese, yes-yes.
Local Frog takes a series of Walks with his pet lizard.
fast carnisaur look like a really happy scaly doggo playing fetch.
*When the first SYDB he gets in Warhammer III will be either Ogre's or Khorne's, you can bet your ass he'll be doing this if it's against a missile faction*
This is some high quality cheese. Like, fucking artisanal, small batch, locally produced Italian cheese that costs you 200 dollars for a single wheel.
Now I want to see MercyTheMad figure out how to get this to happen on like turn 10 and exploit it to get to level 40. Basically the vampire vassal cheese but with no downsides!
At first I thought he was going to describe a get-out-of-jail free tactic, but the life wizzard was so important here. It's still OP, but not as applicable as I hoped it would be. I think I might use it, but I feel like it's too much. If I see 4 armies, I'll use this to get rid of 1. Otherwise, I'll just take 3 good defeats and then go for the victory.
Just when I thought I've seen every single one of Legend's tricks, he pulls another one out of his warpstone hoard.
Local Slann mage priest taking his purple carnausor for a walk.
Trying it out with vampire counts must be funny. Imagine summoning 50 zombie squads every battle until the enemy can't hold back anymore.
the hyperbolic time chamber of total warhammer
Great cheese. Loved when Legend did a version of this in the TiTW Ikit Claw campaign to defend/save Magritta.
Haha if legend ever changes the channel name it should be “how to cheese”! This is some grade A parm!
This technique is the extra topping on a quattro formaggi. Love it!
The stench of his cheese has got to be at least at Limburger.
Terradon riders coming in at the end like an A-10 warthog in 'nam.
I am begining to think that it would be fun to use real cheese name (french ones :p) for certain type of cheese.
"So today we will be doing a camember with a little Cantal twist!" x)
The most delicious of cheese, this is the crap I love where your hours just shows you neat little mechanics.
I occasionally go back to the orc immortulz doomstack just to get my cheese fix.
@@MrThedumbbunny yeah, the inmurtluz is what I use to check and rebalanced (if needed) my units of cheese.
This is what trech gameplay should have been
"Dormamu I've come to bargain"
Saw this today and had the chance to use it immediately in my Norsca campaign against cothique. Start the battle, get two purple suns in, leave. Start the battle, get two purple suns in, leave. Over and over again till they were completely worn out. Kind of stupid but fun as well 😂
Now that was the full caemembert of cheesiness. I did not know you could do that.
When The Great Plan works out.
I always wondered if you would be able to do something like this. Legend is truly a champion of the Cheese God!
At this point after watching over 100 of these videos, I'm certain CA is going to make WH3 harder to cheese lol, damn you legend!
Very fun and educational, thank you Legend.
never noticed the carnosaur wiggles his tail so much^^. almost like a cat video.
This is the tastiest cheese I have ever seen. 100% chef kiss
Was literally pooping this morning and was watching you last telcis ME campaign where you did this like 20 times to a DE army lol
This video almost made me uninstall warhammer2
Its all according to the Great Plan
-Great Slaan Prist Bramak
Not even Skyrim had this much cheese.
ffs he is more lethal in defeat than i am in victory ...
you know what insanity is ? doing the same thing over and over again and expecting another outcome
Slann:Heals
Carno:Speed/Damage
Bombers:Speed/Damage
Kroxis:Mascots.
"Any idiot can do this"... maybe. But very few would think about this cheese! 😁
Also, none of your forces can be unbreakable.
"A tiny little sliver of green"
He's definitely not tiny, and I'm pretty sure he's brown.
now this is some fucking cheese. love it Legend.
BuT LeGeNd ThAt'S cHeEsE :P. Lol you made a nice tasty Brie bowl if you ask me!
Only the very finest cheese served by Legend.
hey Legend are you going to do any livestreams any time soon?
How do you even find out about this shit?! It's brilliant in its stupidity. Love it.
really impressed of this, geges!
Legendoftotalwar, god of cheese.
This is not cheese this is how guerrilla warfare really works... especially the part about the enemy stealing your magic items...
That's the big brain strats!
> "Spirit Lich sucks"
Actually... it's really what it does.
Tiranoc, I've come to bargain!
Oh, so that's how this works! I did this accidently to defeat Rakath just off L'Anguile.
Blood for the blood god, comments for the algorithm
Lizardmen featuring skaven tactics.
All according to The Great Plan.
i did this with a single low lvl lore of metal wizard once, took an eternity. just ran enemy army in circles on max speed. retreat, get my magic back. over and over. they started with two armies lol
Legend of total Bannerlord
Basically what we learned here: wizards are OP, but life wizards are OP even amongst their fellows.
Thanks Legend now we're getting Legendary Cheese ! 😂
This is why Legend is the lord of Cheese
Holy heck, the carno would charge in on the Loremaster and end up losing more HP than he dealt, that seemed...unpossible.
this would be needed on the spiffing brit's channel. he will farm this to the bank. :) 😁
Ah yes, the game working just as CA intended 😂
what if he was trying an undefeated campainand now this
Definitely the king of cheese....
That Phoenix still had a ton of health left at the end of the battle, why in the world was it killed!
it healed, but there was still a good 30-45 seconds of combat left and it got whittled down again and right as the fight ended it got hit one last time and died.
Who would win?
An army or heavily equipped and expertly trained Elves?
or
one toothy boi...
There's Cheddar and Bree but topping it with TotalLegend :) gg