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Watch the BBC first on iPlayer 👉 bbc.in/iPlayer... The Dragons are put to the test by a virtual escape room business - will they unlock their coffers and strike a deal?
Budding entrepreneurs get three minutes to pitch their business ideas to five multimillionaires who are willing to invest their own cash.
Dragons' Den | Series 18 Episode 6 | BBC
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Brutally honest. It looks terrible. And he's extremely lucky to make that much from something that looks like it was made from powerpoint.
Couldn't agree with you more I was expecting virtual reality not a PowerPoint presentation. Hopefully he's now got gaming designers on board.
I guess Im kinda randomly asking but do anybody know a good place to stream new tv shows online?
@@zahirsonny7689 Kodi with the Venom addon and Real Debrid.
oh but corporate would go for it. Those non tech savy people making tech decision would definetly pick something like that for team building :P
yes ''virtual room'' being a text based question is poor in my opinion
Jenny must love these escape rooms - the entire goal is to get out
Ooh that’s a good one 🤣🤣🤣
loooolllll
Yeah, she's the real mastermind of this game, laughing at the dragons still trapped in the den. 😂
I bet right now, as we speak, she is developing hundreds of new ideas of escape rooms for this game!
LOOOOOL I've missed a good Jenny joke
Hahahaha
Poor touker was so enthusiastic just to be completely shut down :(
shut down by sara as well lmao, such rejection
Yes. Disappointing for Touker. He deserved to be treated better on this
After giving his vision with the kids etc and how he’d scale it, this lad should of been more grown up & counter offered at the very least
He had such high hopes in using his office units as options for the escape rooms.
He should have went with Touker, he was very enthusiastic, had vision!
I love that this guy has come up with an idea to make a profit out of people's boredom, but I can't stop wondering... Have people who bought this product ever played videogames before?
Yes I had one of these bought for my birthday as due to lockdown I couldn't celebrate there are many Applications I don't think your thinking off.
It was flat to start off with but as you get into it, it does get better
@@TheChampVK7 u joking
@@vargheesejoseph6729 why would I need to joke maybe try one and you'll find out if there good or not
Not exactly the same is it
If I liked escape rooms and I thought of this idea, I would have loaded Unity and created a great looking game. Problem is, I would have inadvertantly made it inacessible in the process.
Without playing this game, I think it's USP is that you can easilly access it from any device that has a web browser.
I can't see myself playing this game with my gaming friends, but if I liked escape rooms, I could potentially see myself playing this with my family.
What a fool for not partnering with Touker. By the way, don’t they already have thousands of virtual escape rooms? They are called video games.
Touker would've countered with 15% but free office space for a year. and the kid doesn't need office space to make more shitty power point slide shows.
Yeah and if I'm not mistaken,it's a billion dollar industry with development companies like EA and Activision who basically own it all
Oh... but can you play video games in schools and corporate team building events?
It's like the metaverse
Why are people buying this? This kind of riddle games exist since the beginning of the web and for free 😂
This entrepreneur would delete your comment if he could ! Lol
The thing is that not all users of the Web know that. Films, music, software, it is all there for free (I know, not exactly the same). Lots of new/inexperienced users aren't aware of this.
Totally agree poorly executed and looks like PowerPoint presentation.
I think he captured the moment where most of them wouldn't work anymore because they were made in Flash. I don't even know if new one are being made in e.g HTML 5.
@@AwesomeMetalBands I think it was literally made in Google Forms. It must have gone viral somewhere if people paid for it but it's not obvious where, it's not even mentioned in most places.
He should have taken toukers offer, he had few ideas quickly targeting children, Disney characters etc. Plus, he's got office space in London.
Sara already has deals in place with Disney for licensing and a number of other companies with children's characters.
Those leases are winding up big T.
Lol office space
He should be happy he made that much money with such a simple app. I honestly can't believe people are paying for this...
As a web developer, this hurts to see
Same I'm a Web Developer and could easily replicate this game. But fair play to the guy!
to call this an app is a bit out there, it is basically one step away from some power point slides.
I'm currently playing it with my family and it really isn't good at all. It's all text based and there are no interactive puzzles, the pictures they give you as part of the clues are often too small to properly see them, We only got halfway through before we turned it off and downloaded a better escape game with actual fun puzzles, for free.
@@AllsortPassport the guy's obviously a marketing genius if he still gets people to play it
@@MF_JONES My mum knew I watched dragons den, saw that particular pitch in her news feed and figured she would buy it. I got roped into playing 😬 we still haven't finished it 😅
When touker mentioned the potential the children's input would make ,you could see by their faces they we're gutted , they had not thought of that ! .
Exactly especially tej, kids could be playing escape across England across the world. Their repeat players new levels add-on costs for New e-gear, etools e-snacks, ...
That was fools gold! If anything that’s too good to be true..well. I am surprised that the experts didn’t see through this. I think Peter, Tej and Deborah were spot on for rejecting it outright! This was BS of the highest order.
Make a game where you go out into the ocean to hunt seaweed! Rory would be all over that!
The humble seaweed man 😂👍
How could he have not gone with Touker he even increased the money and had fresh ideas
£50k in 2 weeks must be insane. I would be through the roof
For a power point presentation as well. He did really well lol.
Get into crypto
It’s a joke people
With that kind of money he should be able to finance stuff himself.
@CIA Nah for CIA it's not good
With escape rooms, you don't normally come back and do it again, but you do recommend it to other people.
Yeah, I think they've missed the point that it'd need to have different/new content in order to have people return more.
They meant order another product, another game or something (meaning different content).
Exactly my thoughts, I know he offers other games but I wouldn't keep buying game after game at £9 a pop. It's something you'd try for a bit of fun once (or twice maybe), I think 30% is pretty good.
Touker’s counter offer: “you can have office space in central London too”
Brilliant😅
That is a BRILLIANT observation, made about...three years too late.
Kid didn't have a clue, when a Dragon becomes engrossed in the business, 15% or not, Toukar was by far the best choice.
Think touka would be someone I could work for, love his enthusiasm and passion when dealing with the entrepreneurs.
Also why does Deborah always look like she rolling a bugga lol
We did one of these cheap online escape rooms with my team (from another provider though and it was more advanced than the one presented in the den). The interface was quite cheap and nothing suuuuper special but it didn't really matter because the riddles were nice. The price was great 30€ for a group of 5. We spent around an hour in the escape room and had a fun time. We work for an IT company but the lack of a fancy interface didn't really matter. Of course, virtual reality etc would be amazing but also increase the price. I bought other tickets for an online girls night with my friends and another for my family. I think it is a fun thing to do for team building activities or after work events
I would've gone with Touker, it isn't always about the %.
So the guy has no technical skills, made the most basic, shitty website with no apparent redeeming features and used internet adverts to sell it for £8 a pop?! Good on him!
I think he should've waited for Touker to counter an offer!
Deborah saying the idea fell flat well duh it's virtual what did you expect shooting lasers?
Most escape rooms are pretty boring and extremely corny. He made something topical for them to screw around in. That's really not bad and people pay for a lot of stupid crap. I can see people blowing money on that regularly.
It's a virtual game, shooting lasers wouldn't be so strange to be honest.
Since it's virtual I would expect to see something the real world can't offer, not a white page with some text and clickable things
I give him credit for the profits he made. But as others have said, many of these free online games already exist!
I just went to his webshite - it was like going back 30 years to geocities.
I can't believe they thought it was such a good idea. He had a website with 2 photo's that would take all of 10 minutes to do. If it wasn't for lockdown he wouldn't have made anything lol
Exactly what I thought.
I felt that Touker was slighted here... He gave really good ideas for the business.
Surely when lockdown is over, nobody will want to play
Nah.
@dj enty because they can go play the real thing??
Exactly what I thought
lockdown is perpetual ya dope.
Just make it virtual and put it in an arcade machine
Didn't escape the room games start online in the first place? The fun bit was being able to do a computer game in real life when they transferred to physical escape rooms. He's selling an overcomplicated version of the 100s of free games online, without improving the excitement of the user experience, as he puts it.
Agreed. They even had one of these for the first Mission Impossible movie (1996) with full video clips.
I have no idea what they are didn’t get this at all
Peter is absolutely genius.
That's why he's a billionaire now
touker was so excited. he would have helped not only fund, but developed and build the product. kid's smart and dumb at the same time. But good on making some scratch.
The dragons are much nicer than the sharks. Often times the sharks get offended if you don’t accept an offer right away and back out. Nice to see the dragons allowing the inventor time to think about offers.
@Toni Roberts I actually just made a comment yesterday almost saying the opposite lol. I did notice that Shark Tank seems much faster with snappier decisions (and no wall talks), but they don’t seem to get personally offended over imagined slights like some of the dragons tend to do. I’ve seen so many Dragons’ Den clips where an offer will be suddenly retracted over silly things (like the pitcher asking a different dragon if they would be willing to negotiate on equity, for example). They also seem to berate the entrepreneurs more over minor details.
It’s just interesting seeing the differences between the two shows. Makes me want to check out the Canadian and Aussie ones to see what’s going on there lol
@@michaelh9649
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen either shows actually. I’ve never seen a ton of either shows as I didn’t have internet back when these shows got started.
However it just seemed to me that the sharks REALLY don’t like it if one makes an offer and the entrepreneur wants to just hear possible other offers. But yes I’ve seen Dragons do it too.
I’ve actually watched a few episodes of other countries version of the show but I just couldn’t get into them.
They are WAY too nice and mello lol. I’m American, guess I’m use to Mr Wonderful bragging about his intelligence, money and making fun of entrepreneurs that come on and try to sell a junk product 😂
I’ve ALWAYS thought it would be SOOOO cool to see guest dragons on shark tank. I want to see Mark Cuban, Mister wonderful, Daymond, with Peter Jones, Deborah, and Duncan Banantine all on one show!! That would be soooo friggin cool.
I found a 50p coin today in a car park :)
niiiiiiice
@@looneyirish007 i was very pleased! 😁
50p? I've not used a coin in 18 months, I miss them... good find sir!
@@Greenpoloboy3 I was decorating the house in 2016 and took a wooden border off the wall in the hallway, behind it was a Pingin/Penny coin put from the year 1936 the house was built.
Congratulations 🥳
He accepted the worse offer Sara’s offer valued his business less than touker’s
That depends on how much you value your equity.
i dont get it, he rejected touka's offer of 50k for 15%, which is better ratio than saras 30k at 10%, with touka's enthusiasm as well
Dave was worried to get trapped in one of Tuker's offices...
I seriously don't believe the £50K numbers he talks about, considering the massive amount of escape room games on the app that are available to buy and free. If he did make that £50k in two weeks, very well done. But with lockdown over and things starting to get back to normal, this virtual escape room business isn't going to last. Really surprised by some of the dragons, feel like they've listened too much to the gift of the gab and been sucked right in, into something that's going to fade away very quickly now as we get back to normal.
This is a very temporary business. Huge interest from its launch, but dies down extremely quickly.
After lockdown, the LAST thing we want is to be trapped in any room?!?!?
Dragons are quite out of date! I was playing free online escape rooms 20 years ago!!
Viridian Room, Crimson Room... All those rooms... All Free... All bells and whistles and graphics.
This looked about as challenging and as technically advanced as Granny's Garden. Talk about being in the right place at the right time and making a quick buck lol.
That’s what I thought! Charging 300 quid for that? It looks like something I could make in Microsoft PowerPoint.
@@rudolphtheteddy9644 go do it then and then sell it 👍 always people talking nonsense, the guy made over 100k profit, why are you not doing it ?
OMG Granny's Garden! I haven't remembered that game for years!
@@-b8683 Bc i'm not an entrepreneur who wants to start a business. This dude is selling something a primary school kid could make better, and is charging 300 for businesses? Mate, you can't tell me you'd actually invest in this steaming pile of actual manure.
@@rudolphtheteddy9644 people with their last 30k in the world wouldnt but these guys don’t care about 30k
Is it me or tuker kind of honestly reviews the business really way better than the other dragons but he doesn’t get the deal later on.
Jenny, still stuck in the escape room. Cannot get out.
Idk if its a good representation of the real product but his demo looked like something from a not that great school project. Basically this is just a really bad video game. Good idea to make it for fun, but not a good product
Boy created a powerpoint "quiz" and wanted £ for it.
This was filmed September 2020, the last game to be released was November 2020, 1 or 2 games out of 9 were made after the den.
I'm pretty sure touka has a lot of Office Space couldn't they be converted into escape rooms?
Maybe if Touker offered his office space, he would’ve secured the deal
30k at 10%= 300k Evaluation. 50k at 15% 333k. He lost 33k valuation because of "lower shares".
Yea, but if he makes 400k next year he'll have already made back the 20k extra that Touker offered while still owning an extra 5% of his company for future years. (not that I'm saying it will make that, but I'm sure that's his mindset)
Touker has offices in London you could escape from!😂.
Im jenny im out
Sara you are awesome and a great edition to the show.
Addition*
I love that the BBC uploads new episodes, but man, they always have such good entrepeneurs.
I need guys that forget the egg in the cooker, olive salespeople who hate the Spanish and first and foremost I want a woman on every building site in the UK.
Don't forget about the greatest job in the world, a seaweed hunter.
@@Alec_Reaper Rory, never forget, without seaweed there's not profit
I would be aiming for Deborah every time. So real and business like.
It really depends on the type of business and the experience the dragon has in that field. In this case Touker was his best option, he was the most enthusiastic on the business idea and was suggesting fresh ideas too.
This is like a 1980’s computer game, you can’t be serious.
I know it's edited for time, but I hope when he received those offers he discussed it a bit more than it shows.
For example, I would want to know if the dragon would give me any mentorship or guidance in their partnership with me personally or if I would just be accepting their money and continuing in business alone using some of their current contacts. What are those contact exactly?
The fella was going to offer with a partnership (had the lady not already rejected it), so I believe his counteroffer would have been 50k for 11 to 14% of the business.
'Make hay / haste while the sun shines' That's what my Dad used to say when we were younger and faffin about😴😀
I think he should have gone with Tourer. He was full of ideas and offered more money too.
Touker wondering if the escape rooms could be held in his office space?
Not enough people repeatedly 'play' Escape Rooms for them to be a viable business, 90% of people do it once only.
Would be popular if it was a high end escape rooms video game. Not a PowerPoint presentation, these type of puzzle solving games are in their millions all the web and in mobile apps
Touker would've been the better suit for this with his ideas and enthusiasm.
The website he's showing off looks garbage, for £8.99 you could get so many good group online experiences already, if this makes any significant money (enough to be a good return on investment), then there will undoubtedly be copycats of this, that will almost definitely do it better!
well there is a couple of people who´ll be praying that the virus doesn´t clear up anytime soon.
Well done Dave.
Fair play to him, but to get that to a high quality product is going to take a small team of developers a few months I would think, 30k definitely wouldn't be enough. Then also if/when the lockdown ends, people will want to do escape rooms in person again.
Every clips:
Entrepreneur: Hello Dragons.
Sara: *nods*
I can’t believe how excited and smiley they are about this basic point and click game lmao. I think if they saw Mario Kart or UNO they would shit their pants! Lmao
wtf did i just watched, he didnt let him counter, he was soooo in it
Touka actually offered a better deal with an offer valuing the business @ £333k compared with Sarahs £300k
Jenny: I’m out
I would’ve DEFF gone with touker. But I would ask both Dragons to join
dragon fusion and wield that power from beneath it like a fist of lightning
Wow, this is the game they had us playing at work while working from home lol.
any good?
@@Jaypes1 yeah it was fun and competitive because we were divided into teams but we only played once then we never played it again.
@@KabbaModern03 nice. If it's work you got paid to do it so... take it lol.
He was a fool- Toucher was bursting with enthusiasm and ideas while Sarah ( or whoever that eventual bankrupt is) just saw dollar signs
Loads of this in internet. Just a fab
Dragon: "How many have bought a second game?"
Dave: "30%"
Dragon: "What about the other 70%?"
Dave: "Well...we set the first game in one of Touker's office buildings and for some reason they can't get out."
Dragon: "Out of the building?"
Dave: "Out of the lease."
😂
15% is too much for a freaking board game???
Tuoker got a perfect office space for that
Touker just saved 50k
Rick Harrison from pawn stars should be dragon “I’d offer you 10 bucks but want %99 I’m taking a huge risk and I’d have to get it framed”
He looks like the male version of sue Perkins lol 😂 has
Loooool
I thought that the moment I saw him
Good pitch but he could have added a flow signal to help the dragons.
I knew it would happen one day Harry Potter meets the Dragons of Greedor
Peter is just a giant child sometimes lmao.
>Sees this is kinda fun.
>Immediately stands up and runs to the screen to participate.
He looks like Sue Perkins and now I can't unsee it...
There's so much potential and avenues to explore.
This business is at a very early phase and profiting as well as capturing and positioning towards a healthy proportion in the market is a objective that should be pursued!
But at the end of the day it is a business with a short deadline to make cash on an idea that cannot be protected from other publishers who are ready to do this right now and to a massive audience if they see proof that it'll make money. You could own the brand or even perhaps the escape room ip but who is to say that if I do an escape prison lockdown game that's not my own idea?
He missed an office at Tourka's
The main problem with this is that there are so many of these online escape rooms and other games. Many of them are free or really cheap. My co-workers and I play these things every week.
The corporate market makes more sense long-term as a lot of people will still be working remotely and from home in the future. But then they should make it much more personal and exclusive as companies often don't care if it costs $200 or $500 or $2000. We did this sort of escape room thing online with some company that actually hired actors to be part of it for an hour and mess with us. This may seem less scalable, but it's super easy to get these actor (students) and you get to charge a few grand extra for one or two hours. And for the corporations it's much more interesting as the actors will use the company name, values, story, etc.
Since he's not a developer, there's no way he's going to upgrade the site significantly in time before competition out-competes him.
That went south so quick.
who buys a game 2 or 3 times??
Not many people
I think that was his point. People are only going to buy it once so it will be a flash in the pan.
He is just a really nice guy with a great idea.
His idea isn’t great
Once you've put the tape in to the Spectrum and waited for it to load, this game would seem brilliant.
Peter giving him shit because of a 30% re order rate. It's a new business dude, perhaps judge him on recurring customers once a sensible window has passed
He figured out how to trick people into paying for a shitty browser puzzle video game
Good on the guy for trying something, this is one of those limitless ideas only problem is keeping it real enough. You can play video games or real world virtual games or am i seeing this idea as to good cause its been around for a long time already and a child could do a basic webpage these days
I played this sort of thing before except its a full game. Its called Saw and it was on the Xbox 360. You can get it on ebay for a couple of £
wait did he just repackage a flash game escape room into a corporate event?
Peter's looking rough isn't he. Bad sleep. The price of selling your soul to make riches, they always collect.
How many of your customers returned to buy again? 30%. How many of them returned again? He didn’t know but let’s imagine he said 50%. Would Peter have then asked how many of them returned and gave him a grilling for not knowing.
Or the time after, the time after the time after that. Even better. And he gives the same response.
A kid according to his laughter? Tf man
As an American in a southern state that did not lock down , I don’t see the appeal. But I imagine if u were trapped in ur home , this would be nice
I must be dense. I just don't get what this is all about.
Peter Jones lol. Understand repeat sales are important, but what about the rest of the world. If his sales have done so well in such a short period with limited marketing, the business is definitely going places.
I played call of duty and some soccer game with my mates and brother during lockdown. Now it was good craic. But the gaming was really all that interesting for me. I like this a whole house hold could be involved. Few beers have a laugh