IMO, I think gateron switches are far better than outemu and cherry mx switches because they're smoother. Buying the gateron switches by themselves is also cheaper than buying the outemu switches by themselves so if you have the money and know how to solder, I'd suggest giving them a try.
I also have both Cherry blue and Outemu blue based keyboards, and prefer the feel of the Outemu for the same reasons. The tactility just feels more precise, somehow. Cherry keyswitches have always been overrated compared to common keyswitches of the past anyway (Alps, for example), so it's not really as surprising as it initially seems that knockoffs could improve upon them. It'd be like if Coke went out of business leaving Pepsi the only cola on the market, then a Chinese company made a cola that tasted more like Coke than Pepsi. A lot of people would prefer that Chinese Coke.
Modern Classic Good analogy. But, I feel that way about all switches with the same style as Cherry MX switches. Browns just feel like a rough linear switch when you are typing. Clear feel like a mushy rubber dome keyboard with a spring at the bottom instead of bottoming out. Blues have decent tactile feedback, but they feel sticky on the upstroke. That is an avoidable side effect of the Cherry MX design that comes out when Blues push the design to its limit of tactility. I have not tried Matias switches. However, the descriptions of them sounds very good. I can't find a reliable keyboard with them, though.
Well, I had to swap the Outemu switches that came with my keyboard for Cherry ones because over a third of them activated at a different height than the click/tactile bump. That kind of defeats the point of the tactile bump, since it meant absolutely bugger all.
motorbiker46 Even Cherry MX switches register the keypress in a different place than the tactile bump. Probably, you just had some severe variation issues with those switches. Kailh switches, for example, vary up to +-30%. I do not know about Outemu switches, but I tried Kailh Brown switches a few years ago. I found that they varied more than Cherry MX Brown switches, but they did not vary much. However, I just bought a Cherry MX Blue keyboard, and the keys vary a LOT. The specs allow them to vary up to almost 20%. So, maybe I just got lucky with my MX Brown keyboard or didn't notice it as much since they are so much less tactile than MX Blues. Another possibility is that Cherry is pushing the tolerance limit more to save costs.
Pepsi taste like crap, at least from where I'm from. Pepsi taste like someone tried to make a cheap Coke knockoff and added somekind of styrofoam and dumped a bag more of sugar into the mix. Coke is definitely the cola king here. Though I'm have always been a root beer/sarsaparilla or orange soda person rather than cola.
My Cherry Blues are LOUD, quite obnoxious really, but they are such a joy to use for typing. I had to go up to my parents' house and use a non-mechanical keyboard for some computer maintenance and it was not a very pleasant experience. It felt like I was typing through mud. You don't really realize how loud these things are until you're playing a quiet game and you're really immersed in the gameplay and then you hear *CLACK CLACK CLACK*. You also don't realize just how many keys you're pressing and how complex of a job your hands are doing until you start playing a game like that. When you can physically hear every key press, it's both amazing and a little freaky at the same time.
Outemu blues was awesome. Well, only for the first 2 weeks, even though I used it for around 3 years. I moved back to membrane because it was annoying the people I lived with and the loud click just gets old really quickly. Plus, I'm sure that those clicks will give you hearing problems down the line if you don't use earbuds with them. lol Recently purchased a board with Outemu Reds and I like it. It ddoes give you a mechanical feel but with way lower noise level. Strangely, the reds feel heavier in terms of actuation force than the blues I have, even though they are the same on paper. Also, feels like there's less travel distance as well than the blues. Probably because the switches are linear unlike the blue switches.
Bare in mind, the desk also makes a huge difference to the sound of the keyboard. If your desk is hollow (ikea linnmon/paper fill) all keyboards will sound damp with extra volume. Solid tops will sound what exactly the switches should sound like.
I hate it when people suggest what key you should get based on what you do, that doesn't make any sense in a real argumentative or a feel sense. Just buy the switch you like to use...
so do you even type without looking at the keyboard? because blue and brown switches both help with that. if you don't notice maaybe you should stick with the membrane keyboards... loooooooooooooool
David Velasquez What does looking at the keyboard having to do with the kind of keyboard you use? I've been gaming with cheap membrane keyboards for years and I can totally type without looking at it
You said that it's not just preference, but what you are describing sounds like preference. It's just that you explain why you prefer one type of switches over the others.
I tried a couple of keyboards with the outemu brown keys. The main observation is the consistency (or lack there of). And I am referring to the consistency between boards AND within the same board (disparity between the individual keys). Some feels really crisp and snappy while others are a little scratchy. So if you are going for the outemu keys, it really depends on your luck. A little like the silicon lottery for CPUs and GPUs but with the greater odds of picking the short end of the stick.
I think the cherries sound kinda like a dry rattley cough (the rattling seems to be from the upstroke) and the otemus sound sharper and pingier. My new otemu blue keyboard is also also a lot quieter and lower-pitched than the otemu board in this video. It's more clicky and clacky. This might be because it is a heavier, better-built board on a pad. My observations comparing a cherry and otemu blue board are similar to those in the video, except for the sound difference with the otemus. My otemu board is a Red Dragon K552 and the cherry board I tested was a Corsair K70. I hope this helps someone. I would llike to add that you should try out switches in person if possible because your preferences might be surprising. For example, when I tried MX Browns in person (which I was strongly considering) I couldn't stand them. This felt almost mushy and kind of sandy.
The difference wont be so much in feel but more so in performance over it's lifetime. Cherry MX's should last up to 50 million clicks since that's what they are stress tested for in their german lab. This is one of those cases where it's worth paying a little extra up front if you want you keyboard to last a good 5-10 years. If you don't care about that, then yeah, there are plenty of Chinese made switches that will work fine, but probably wont last very long compared to authentic cherry mx's.
I'm designing my own keyboard for "office and Office" use (definitely pun intended). I decided to mix different switches for different zones. The normal typing zone will be either Cherry red or brown, or Speed if I get them. Reason of this choice is purely about the noise, I don't want to be a statistics of workplace murders. Function keys and dedicated macro keys will be black, arrow keys will be blue, for different tactile on a no-gap keyboard. No number pad because I don't need it, and I don't know why people need a fix number pad. Should I really need one I'll make a standalone one with all red switches, because I use number pads with my left hand, and the less I need to fight with the switches, the better.
If you ever compare keyboards again, it might be worthwhile to get a bit cheesy and have someone else set them up for you, so you don't know which is which, and then wear a blindfold during the test so you can't identify the keyboard by sight, then you can have a more true comparison. You're a very rational guy, above all and that likely means that value is going to be first and foremost in your mind when you're evaluating products, because that is a very non-subjective value (the pressing of keys, on the other hand, is very subjective). One of these keyboards is quite a bit cheaper than the other (*HALF* the price), so in your mind, you're probably judging them based on that fact, even if it's not necessarily consciously done. If you didn't KNOW which keyboard was which, we would get a more accurate assessment, based solely on the feel of the keys (which would be more beneficial to me, anyway, you'd need to ask other people what they want).
I know we all have mixed opinions here but it really comes down to preference and budget. I recently bought a mechanical keyboard to upgrade from a membrane and I've had a wonderful time on it. It has Outemu switches and personally I think the feedback is wonderful and I personally like the kind of clinky metallic sound of the keyboard. It's satisfying and for my budget it was a great investment.
The switches aren't your problem if you want longevity. Old Model Ms were only rated for 20 million presses per switch. Less than half of Cherry's. But guess what? If you go on EBay right now and look for old Model Ms, you'll find thousands of examples that have been used for 20 years and are still going strong. If you find any old Cherry keyboards like G80s, chances are most examples you'll find will be problematic. Why? Because the build quality of the actual keyboards was hot garbage. A switch that's "only" rated for 40 million presses, or whatever the Outemus are worth, isn't your problem if the board bends and wobbles every time you press on it, or if the circuit board was designed by a toddler, or if the cable's connector is soldered cheaply onto the board, or if the capacitors are alkaline pieces of shit from the mid 2000s, or if the cable itself is shielded by tissue paper and dreams, or if your keycaps are thin and shitty ABS. Point is, switch longevity shouldn't be your major concern. I did some calculations. Spread across 26 character keys plus a spacebar, to wear out an otherwise perfect keyboard decked out with any cherry equivalent rated for 50 million presses, assuming an average of five letters per word and approximately equal use of every letter in the alphabet, you'd have to type out 2500 90000 word long novels in order to wear out those switches. To give you an idea of how long that would take, assuming you can type at a rate of 100 wpm, and assuming you can type for 12 hours a day absolutely non-stop at that speed without ever pausing for breath or even just to think, you'd have to keep going at that pace for approximately 8 years and 8 months before your switches wear out. Your average keyboard has a warranty of two years at most these days. Do you really think they're made to max out the longevity of your switches? Do you really?
I don't understand why people like the loud clicks from these keyboards... I'm a huge fans of silent ones... I like feedback, but you can feedback from the feeling of the keystroke - I don't need sound feedback.
I would say the reason the knock off blues sounded louder because its open on the sides where as the g.skill keyboard has lowered buttons. This is just a speculation.
You didn't put into account that the different cases make for different sounds. The G.SKILL had a higher pitched sound because it has an open chassis, allowing for sound to escape more easily.
I've only had experience with Outemu and Kaihl blues. I think I prefer Kaihl over as it felt smoother for some reason. I don't have experience with genuine Cherry's yet though.
Do you know any kaihl blue rgb keyboards? If it has media keys on the f keys that would be nice. And if I like a lighter click, which switch brand should I aim for? I’m thinking kaihl because I don’t want to pay $150 for a cherry mx keyboard just for more durability and smoother feeling and I heard that kaihl was smoother and lighter than outemu.
There's a lot to consider when comparing it to another knock off switch, you might wanna try to compare same switch (Cherry MX Blue) from one brand to the other, for example, compare a Cherry MX blue K70 to your G.Skill, they both sport same switch which are blues, but they have different PCB/Keyboard housing, it will all boil down to the material used on casing.. it directly affects the sound, switches on plastic housing or switches on an aluminum frame.. you might wanna check and try this out.
Mech-keyboard overall are longer lasting than membrane keyboards, but early outemu has QA spec issues, just cuz they were trying to make a cheaper switch. Today outemu has better build quality, and importantly different switch design than the scratchier and mushier cherry switch design.
You should try Gateron switches. I heard they were considered the best Cherry clone, and many are even better than Cherry switches, feeling a lot smoother, more consistent, and not as scratchy.
I just bought a keyboard called mechanical eagle m77. And man do I love it, the sound and click is very satisfying. They are blue switches, but they are not authentic and I think I like them better then cherry.
I'm able to type fastest on cherry mx clears which require considerably more force than any other switch. I don't think there's a correlation between force and speed of typing.
the last time I used outemu switches (blue) is a 40$ ish keyboard and the switches started to chattering in just a week after mild usage. Im using cherry mx brown switches now and I could not be any happier
I have been looking for a Mechanical Keyboard for some time but I do not have the bang to pay for an Expensive Brand with Authentic Cherry Switches and I have seen several options that appeal more to me regarding features like waterproof or cable length but the Switch type was keeping me away from buying. Now I know best. Thanks Greg!
My Cherry MX red switches barely make any noise if you only half press them. You don't have to smash them all the way down like a normal membrane keybaord. In fact, you can't hear the actuation in mid travel. You don't feel exactly when it turns the switch on, but its very light if you want to type for a long period of time while being efficient (or lazy, however you prefer to think of it). I would recommend trying out several different keyboards at a display in a store so you can hear the difference in real life. I'm actually much louder with a normal office keybaord, and that's something I wouldn't have guessed!
I have a 25€ keyboard with Outemo Blue switches (the worst part of it is the very noticeable ghosting, can't do a shout or bring up the weapon wheel while running in Skyrim and GTA V respectively), and I've noticed that the keys actuate just ever so slightly after the click. Not enough to be noticeable while typing, but still.
My experience with Outemu Blue: Not uniform, the pressure requirement is +/- 5 grams randomly among the keys. They wear out EXTREMELY quickly, which key is random but a few will lose the click and become more like a red or black. Save yourself from anger, go with Kailh in a Tesoro or something.
BearHoldingShark Depends on the location, here in eastern europe where income is on average ~ 300 euro / month cheaper alternatives even if they are 20 euros less they make a big difference in overall budget.
from what i know by others and my own experience, out of all the cheaper clones, the outemu switches are the best value for money choice. tested again and again and very few have complained. after 3 months of hard use, my switches sound the same as the first day. maybe you were unlucky and your piece was defective :/
Just got my outemu blue keyboard. haven't woken anyone up yet but paranoid and typing slowly as if it will help. haven't found faster typing than with membrane yet because i'm not used to the sound. Honestly slightly disappointed with the "feeling the actuation point" because you actually don't. It's not that precise. It clicks on activation, but can be raised to inactive without releasing past the detent, allowing multi press bumps. I may end up enjoying it as a feature; it's just not what I expected.
Actually I noticed on my outemu blue switches (all that I tested), that the actuation point is "under" click point, so you can actually press multiple times key before you passed the click/tactile part, Is it the same thing on cherry? Or this is only on chinese switches?
i know this is late and maybe somebody mentioned this but the fact the cherry mx keyboard has a enclosed case vs the outemu blues floating key design may play a difference in sound imo. Still a good video
@@v0idvvv843 cheap = spending less money on a keyboard of about the same quality. Seriously "gaming" keyboards are weak asf. They're built about the same as the decent quality cheap boards. Just the switches and stabs can be a little clunky.
i totally agree. I tested a Logitech with Cherry Blues and was honestly disappointed. Just got the mechanical eagle RGB z77 chinese keyboard with the Outemu blues a month ago and I'm in love. A superior blue switch and tactile feel along with RGB lighting and effects, and a metal frame for only 69.99 on Amazon. i couldn't beat it, very satisfied
All EVGA 1070 and 1080 SKU's are effected by this, the only exception is the Founders Edition cards. You will not know if the VRM's are overheating or not, there are no temperature sensors on that part of the board. I've got a base ACX 3.0 GTX 1070, and am doing the mod as a preventative measure. Ounce of prevention is a good thing with multi thousand dollar rigs ;-)
Sound is effected greatly by the keyboard design. Floating caps are going to be louder. To test the sound of the switches it would be better to remove them from the boards.
I have a Redragon K552 keyboard with the Outemu Blue switches and while I do think they sound a little "crunchy", I absolutely love how they feel compared to authentic Cherry blue switches. I know when a command is sent because not only can I hear it, I can feel it.
I would love for you to include them in future videos. Razer is the brand that comes to mind when I think of mechanical keyboards, and including Razer greens or their "mecha-membrane" keyswould make sense to compare to blue switches.
*Le Sigh* I should have removed the s in my previous statement, I meant for his redragon keyboard that the rubber domes were in a membrane keyboard (according to amazon anyway) and thanks to my phone's crappy autocorrect it prompted you to nerd rant :P sorry bout that, I do know the difference.
As a mechanical keyboard enthusiast, Outemu blues are known in the community to be significant clickier and higher-pitched. Not surprised at all with the results of this video. Great vid!
No I went back and looked. His videos are mixed between 4k and 1080@60. I just thought they looked better than normal, so I checked and it was at 4k. I have a chrome add on called youtube center that I set to play the highest quality available by default. It also removes ads and auto play/auto buffer.
I am typing this on a Redragon K580 VATA (brown switch.) I got it on Amazon for $61 a few weeks ago, I wanted media keys. This keyboard feels very satisfying compared to my old Romer-G keyboard. Also the switches can be swapped, they're cheap on amazon and my keyboard came with 7 extra switches anyways. I don't think cherry would be worth the premium, especially since browns are hard to find and expensive anymore.
Typing feeling should not be the only parameter considered when choosing a switch... Otemu do last shorter. They're definitely less durable than cherry, so choose wisely :)
Already got the 1STPlayer FireRose after watching your first video covering it. For $44 its a great keyboard really like the feel of these blue switches. The LEDs are a nice touch too.
What I love gaterons, especially the linear switches they just feel so much smoother it's like the stem has no contact with the housing of the switch. They are so buttery smooth. Gathering also has a couple unique switches like the yellows and the clears. The clears have only require 35 grams of force, I love them for games.
Ive had both Outemu blues and cherry mx blues... They feel the same but completely different if that makes sense, which it doesn't. I used a corsair strafe with cherry mx blues for about two years until i spilled liquid on it and shorted the board. decided to give the havit rgb mechanical a shot and i find myself liking this keyboard more. Build quality is lacking compared to the Corsair but it's more satisfying to type on.
I have a Redragon k556 with outemu browns and blues and I've used cherry mx blues before and I'd say that the reason why cherry mx are so expensive because you are buying the name of the brand also. The redragon have removable switches for diy so I'd say that the outemu switches are better and if I encounter any problems I can buy outemu switches online for about $8 for 10 switches, they are the same as cherry and I haven't experienced any issues.
I bought a used backlit TKL mechanical for $20 with blue switches (idk what "off-brand") and I love it even though everyone in the house hates it because it sounds like a typewriter lol
Sounds like the chassis affects the sound. The thicker chassis on the cherry keyboard makes the sound lower pitched. The otemu switches are on a lighter chassis so it sounds higher pitched. Are both keycaps the same material as well?
Cherry mx blues sound and feel terrible to type on, in my opinion. If you want a proper clicky switch go for matias/alps. Cherry mx dominate in mass production, not quality.
well, you can also have a look at Kailh BOX switches, maybe the best modern switches in terms of sound, and the tactility is fucking huge, it also has water and dust resistance
@@kacperuminski1547 I don't remember Zeal providing clicky switches, and Buckling spring is really good but it's not modern, as the design was invented decades ago
@@hikarii8758 No, but they sell Aristotles which can be modded together with the Zeal switches to make some excellent clickies (Zealiostotles). Also, is the fact that buckling springs are an old design a negative? If so, why?
@@kacperuminski1547 Aristotle and its modded variants are really good ones to, but Aristotle's housing is shit and some people don't like modding. Another thing to note is that Aristotle still uses clickjacket, while BOX switches use their own mechanics. I don't mean buckling spring being an old design is bad or anything, it just doesn't suit the concept of being modern.
The outemu keyboard sounds when you type on it sounds like you are beating a bad toy xylophone or some bad wood dominoes /pieces. Listening to that feels like someone is raping my ears. Meanwhile the cherry blues make a satisfying clic, even if i prefer and use reds because i prefer them without the clic.
I don't care about the sound because I don't hear myself typing over headphones, but the outemus can feel pretty good but they are very hard and clicky switches.
I own an Outemu Blue Switch Keyboard right now which I bought only 3 days ago. It definitely sounds better than other cheap Blue Switches like in the case of the AULA keyboards.
And in the end it comes down to preferences: some people like the way an otemu blue feels and some like the way a cherry blue feels. An otemu blue is not a knockoff from cherry blue, the stem color blue is universally agreed on clicky so the clicky otemu switch is called blue.
Honestly when it comes to key feel in your testing you should have been using the same set of caps for all the boards as cap plastic type and quality can make a HUGE difference int he way a switch feels.
I just recently purchased my first "gaming" keyboard. I saw that it outemu blue switches, and didn't really think much of it. Since then, I absolutely love them. At the time of writing this, I've had the keyboard for just a couple weeks so far. The keyboard I have is the Tecware phantom RGB.
I have Outemu blue switches for 4-5 months now, and they become less "clicky" over the time. You can definitely tell the difference between wasd keys and other keys which are not mostly used like print screen, home, end etc. Is this a problem with cherry blues too?
I just recently switched from an MX Blue mechanical keyboard to an Outemu Blue mech. It's fascinating as I have exactly the opposite experiences and observations. I found the Outemus to be harder to press/actuate. I also seem to have more typing errors with the Outemus than my old MX Blue keyboard. Not sure if it's because I used the MX Blues for a decade and just recently switched to Outemu, or the fact that I have used the MX Blues for a decade and the keys have worn out, therefore making the keys easier to press? I do have to agree with the Outemus being louder than the MX Blues. Anyways, great video comparing the two.
The keys have worn out. I've noticed this on my Outemu blues as well, after heavy heavy use of gaming for years. The WASD keys are much easier to press than the others I use less often
You also need to take into account the chassis. Also do be sure to try Kailh/NovelKeys BOX Jade switches, especially since you like clicky keys. If you like the light weighting, Kailh Blue or Kailh Speed Bronze are great. But honestly, nothing competes with Alps SKCM Blue switches.
I had a Cougar with Cherry Browns. It was nice, but when I bought the Redragon with Outemu Blues, is was much better! Nice video and explanation. Thanks!
Cherry Blues definitely sound and feel different from board to board - I've compared Blues in a G.skill KM780MX to the Blues in my Das Professional 4 ( yes, they are Cherry - I got the board before they offered greetech switches ). The Das is much louder and the keys feel remarkably "springier", if that makes any sense. Sound and feel seem like they're heavily influenced by how the keyswitch is mounted. Are the keys in the G.skill boards PCB or Plate mounted? I'd be interested in seeing a comparison video between different Cherry MX Blue boards to get your take on it.
From my own experience, I've found that cherry switches are just more consistent. I've had some issue with kaihl in that some switches don't feel the same. Cherry can have the same issue but I've found that it occurs in fewer switches.
One thing i have noticed on different keyboards with the same keys is when one has an aluminum plate. it feels less "mushy" and is audibly a bit less hollow, perhaps something you can test on volume differences between the two. Also on what VoxelFish said about an open keyboard, I did try removing the upper trim on my mech keyboard with blues and it most definitely had a different sound, perhaps not louder or quieter, but different. It may be hard to tell with just the keycaps off because you aren't typing, but it would be something to try too, even if only to see for yourself, not in a video.
Tried Outemu Reds before Cherry Reds, Cherry's were far more consistent for me. The Outemu switches felt different depending on the key I pressed, even after breaking it in over a month, so I personally stuck with the Cherry. That being said, the Outemu was half the price and I do think many would find it just as enjoyable as the Cherry switches, I just personally couldn't stand the inconsistency when playing games, since the D key felt off.
I have both as well. Outemu Blue on the Magiforce and Cherry Blue on Leopold. I have been fully won over to the Outemu switches. They are the clickiest switches in the world right now. Loud and satisfying! I won't swap again for anything less than a classic IBM Model M buckling spring keyboard.
Cherry MX Speed Switches (Grey) are my favorite. Satisfying click, fast actuation, distinct click noise, and extremely easy to push the keys. (My left thumb with the most gentle rest on the space bar clicks it lol not the keys fault)
My Outemo (not Outemu) blue switches are 80g of force, which I believe is higher than Cherry. Either way, I like them. I added silicone o-rings, but I'm not sure they're an improvement. I have to type more lightly to get that same tactile feel. Zealios' padded cherry tops inspired me to experiment with different materials to muffle the clack into something bassy while allowing a full stroke. Some thick PBT caps (ordered, to replace the ugly gamer-y font) should pitch the click and clack a bit lower.
When youre on a budget and wanna hear some good stuff about outemu switches 😂
Lol that's me
i got the brown pretty good ngl
@@RonLisMan you got the Royal Kludge Sink87g?
IMO, I think gateron switches are far better than outemu and cherry mx switches because they're smoother. Buying the gateron switches by themselves is also cheaper than buying the outemu switches by themselves so if you have the money and know how to solder, I'd suggest giving them a try.
Linghan Wei or unless u get smd versions of gateron switches, which I’m doing for the gateron Brown silets
I thought It said Pay More for Authentic Cherry Sandwiches
The best kind of sandwich.
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One of the funniest comments i've ever seen!
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cherry mx is like a click and outemu blues are like a clack
Perfect way to put it
I think cherry mx is like click and outemu is like CLICKK
They are pretty much the same thing
I also have both Cherry blue and Outemu blue based keyboards, and prefer the feel of the Outemu for the same reasons. The tactility just feels more precise, somehow. Cherry keyswitches have always been overrated compared to common keyswitches of the past anyway (Alps, for example), so it's not really as surprising as it initially seems that knockoffs could improve upon them. It'd be like if Coke went out of business leaving Pepsi the only cola on the market, then a Chinese company made a cola that tasted more like Coke than Pepsi. A lot of people would prefer that Chinese Coke.
Modern Classic
Good analogy. But, I feel that way about all switches with the same style as Cherry MX switches.
Browns just feel like a rough linear switch when you are typing. Clear feel like a mushy rubber dome keyboard with a spring at the bottom instead of bottoming out. Blues have decent tactile feedback, but they feel sticky on the upstroke. That is an avoidable side effect of the Cherry MX design that comes out when Blues push the design to its limit of tactility.
I have not tried Matias switches. However, the descriptions of them sounds very good. I can't find a reliable keyboard with them, though.
Well, I had to swap the Outemu switches that came with my keyboard for Cherry ones because over a third of them activated at a different height than the click/tactile bump. That kind of defeats the point of the tactile bump, since it meant absolutely bugger all.
motorbiker46
Even Cherry MX switches register the keypress in a different place than the tactile bump. Probably, you just had some severe variation issues with those switches. Kailh switches, for example, vary up to +-30%.
I do not know about Outemu switches, but I tried Kailh Brown switches a few years ago. I found that they varied more than Cherry MX Brown switches, but they did not vary much.
However, I just bought a Cherry MX Blue keyboard, and the keys vary a LOT. The specs allow them to vary up to almost 20%. So, maybe I just got lucky with my MX Brown keyboard or didn't notice it as much since they are so much less tactile than MX Blues. Another possibility is that Cherry is pushing the tolerance limit more to save costs.
Pepsi is much better than Coke
Pepsi taste like crap, at least from where I'm from. Pepsi taste like someone tried to make a cheap Coke knockoff and added somekind of styrofoam and dumped a bag more of sugar into the mix.
Coke is definitely the cola king here. Though I'm have always been a root beer/sarsaparilla or orange soda person rather than cola.
My keyboard has Outemu blue switches. I love the tactile feedback. They've been going strong for almost a year now.
JaycE Is the keyboard still holding up?
Any updates on the keyboard? thanks!
Plot twist, it finally broke and thats why he hasn't responded. Lol.
JaycE l z l
My redragon kumara rgb uses outemmu blues and it survived 2 years now
My Cherry Blues are LOUD, quite obnoxious really, but they are such a joy to use for typing. I had to go up to my parents' house and use a non-mechanical keyboard for some computer maintenance and it was not a very pleasant experience. It felt like I was typing through mud. You don't really realize how loud these things are until you're playing a quiet game and you're really immersed in the gameplay and then you hear *CLACK CLACK CLACK*. You also don't realize just how many keys you're pressing and how complex of a job your hands are doing until you start playing a game like that. When you can physically hear every key press, it's both amazing and a little freaky at the same time.
"My Cherry Blues are LOUD"
That's cute.
(Written from my IBM Model M)
@@ManoloDubidubi *CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK* Hello
@@ManoloDubidubi My beamspring literally has a solenoid in it to make it louder.
@@kacperuminski1547 you have me WISHING. I want.
@@numairsalmalin3552 You can sometimes find them in recycling centers or in thrift stores. Very rarely thought. Took me 5 years
the space bar in the white keyboard sounds a bit clinky
legos that's racist.
But black people can't be racist?
What are you talking about.
I read your comment in Shrek's voice...
It Is Actually. I have the same keyboard
Outemu blues feel more tactile and "smooth" than cherry. For tactile switches the order is Gateron>Outemu>Cherry>Kailh.
@Mehdi Bout
Linear, would, for stock switches be Gateron > Kailh > Cherry >> Outemu
(imo)
Clickies would be
Kailh BOX > Zealiostotle >>>>>> literally everything else
@@rynne7153 and for the last one...browns??
@@edmund8954 not talking about the switches, but the brand and the type of keypress feel
Outemu blues was awesome.
Well, only for the first 2 weeks, even though I used it for around 3 years.
I moved back to membrane because it was annoying the people I lived with and the loud click just gets old really quickly.
Plus, I'm sure that those clicks will give you hearing problems down the line if you don't use earbuds with them. lol
Recently purchased a board with Outemu Reds and I like it. It ddoes give you a mechanical feel but with way lower noise level.
Strangely, the reds feel heavier in terms of actuation force than the blues I have, even though they are the same on paper. Also, feels like there's less travel distance as well than the blues. Probably because the switches are linear unlike the blue switches.
Outemu reds sound and are better than outemu blues
8:18 dat pro hacking, i hope you were wearing a ski mask.
2years ago there's a whole review for a Cherry switch? Now switches are just for ASMR lol
Bare in mind, the desk also makes a huge difference to the sound of the keyboard. If your desk is hollow (ikea linnmon/paper fill) all keyboards will sound damp with extra volume. Solid tops will sound what exactly the switches should sound like.
I hate it when people suggest what key you should get based on what you do, that doesn't make any sense in a real argumentative or a feel sense. Just buy the switch you like to use...
Samuel Dureka the truth is all keys are preference not for specific task. yes i also hate people that says red for game and blue for typist
so do you even type without looking at the keyboard? because blue and brown switches both help with that. if you don't notice maaybe you should stick with the membrane keyboards... loooooooooooooool
Blue and brown switches don't help with touch-typing at all. Where did you get this idea. And not all membranes suck.
David Velasquez
What does looking at the keyboard having to do with the kind of keyboard you use? I've been gaming with cheap membrane keyboards for years and I can totally type without looking at it
David Velasquez I hope you know some of the best keyboards of all time are slider over membrane, ibm model m for example
You said that it's not just preference, but what you are describing sounds like preference. It's just that you explain why you prefer one type of switches over the others.
bruh that sound from the outemu is godlyyyy
I tried a couple of keyboards with the outemu brown keys. The main observation is the consistency (or lack there of). And I am referring to the consistency between boards AND within the same board (disparity between the individual keys). Some feels really crisp and snappy while others are a little scratchy. So if you are going for the outemu keys, it really depends on your luck. A little like the silicon lottery for CPUs and GPUs but with the greater odds of picking the short end of the stick.
I like blue switches
The louder they are the more important i feel *sob*
I use a membrane keyboard so I'm forced to sink in my sense of worthlessness. At least the case fans are a bit loud
Mrthemexgamer I don't even own a keyboard or pc case.... sometimes my desk makes nice creaking noises though....
what?
lmao
I think the cherries sound kinda like a dry rattley cough (the rattling seems to be from the upstroke) and the otemus sound sharper and pingier. My new otemu blue keyboard is also also a lot quieter and lower-pitched than the otemu board in this video. It's more clicky and clacky. This might be because it is a heavier, better-built board on a pad. My observations comparing a cherry and otemu blue board are similar to those in the video, except for the sound difference with the otemus. My otemu board is a Red Dragon K552 and the cherry board I tested was a Corsair K70. I hope this helps someone.
I would llike to add that you should try out switches in person if possible because your preferences might be surprising. For example, when I tried MX Browns in person (which I was strongly considering) I couldn't stand them. This felt almost mushy and kind of sandy.
The difference wont be so much in feel but more so in performance over it's lifetime. Cherry MX's should last up to 50 million clicks since that's what they are stress tested for in their german lab.
This is one of those cases where it's worth paying a little extra up front if you want you keyboard to last a good 5-10 years. If you don't care about that, then yeah, there are plenty of Chinese made switches that will work fine, but probably wont last very long compared to authentic cherry mx's.
I had 2 kailh boards, one barely lasted 1 week before one switch started to Chatter.
my reddragon kumara has 50 million keystrokes
william bui It won't last even to 20M, can assure you that.
86MhzPentium why is that? youve provided no evidence?
william bui It's a known fact chinese switches don't last that long.
I'm designing my own keyboard for "office and Office" use (definitely pun intended). I decided to mix different switches for different zones. The normal typing zone will be either Cherry red or brown, or Speed if I get them. Reason of this choice is purely about the noise, I don't want to be a statistics of workplace murders. Function keys and dedicated macro keys will be black, arrow keys will be blue, for different tactile on a no-gap keyboard. No number pad because I don't need it, and I don't know why people need a fix number pad. Should I really need one I'll make a standalone one with all red switches, because I use number pads with my left hand, and the less I need to fight with the switches, the better.
If you ever compare keyboards again, it might be worthwhile to get a bit cheesy and have someone else set them up for you, so you don't know which is which, and then wear a blindfold during the test so you can't identify the keyboard by sight, then you can have a more true comparison. You're a very rational guy, above all and that likely means that value is going to be first and foremost in your mind when you're evaluating products, because that is a very non-subjective value (the pressing of keys, on the other hand, is very subjective). One of these keyboards is quite a bit cheaper than the other (*HALF* the price), so in your mind, you're probably judging them based on that fact, even if it's not necessarily consciously done. If you didn't KNOW which keyboard was which, we would get a more accurate assessment, based solely on the feel of the keys (which would be more beneficial to me, anyway, you'd need to ask other people what they want).
I know we all have mixed opinions here but it really comes down to preference and budget. I recently bought a mechanical keyboard to upgrade from a membrane and I've had a wonderful time on it. It has Outemu switches and personally I think the feedback is wonderful and I personally like the kind of clinky metallic sound of the keyboard. It's satisfying and for my budget it was a great investment.
besides personal preference we have to account longevity of the switch/keys, I'll always prefer cherry just for that extra milage.
Hipocrates R.
Wish a white full size rgb keyboard with a wrist rest existed with cherry blues
Chinese mech kbs last long based on experience.
The switches aren't your problem if you want longevity. Old Model Ms were only rated for 20 million presses per switch. Less than half of Cherry's. But guess what? If you go on EBay right now and look for old Model Ms, you'll find thousands of examples that have been used for 20 years and are still going strong. If you find any old Cherry keyboards like G80s, chances are most examples you'll find will be problematic. Why? Because the build quality of the actual keyboards was hot garbage. A switch that's "only" rated for 40 million presses, or whatever the Outemus are worth, isn't your problem if the board bends and wobbles every time you press on it, or if the circuit board was designed by a toddler, or if the cable's connector is soldered cheaply onto the board, or if the capacitors are alkaline pieces of shit from the mid 2000s, or if the cable itself is shielded by tissue paper and dreams, or if your keycaps are thin and shitty ABS.
Point is, switch longevity shouldn't be your major concern.
I did some calculations. Spread across 26 character keys plus a spacebar, to wear out an otherwise perfect keyboard decked out with any cherry equivalent rated for 50 million presses, assuming an average of five letters per word and approximately equal use of every letter in the alphabet, you'd have to type out 2500 90000 word long novels in order to wear out those switches.
To give you an idea of how long that would take, assuming you can type at a rate of 100 wpm, and assuming you can type for 12 hours a day absolutely non-stop at that speed without ever pausing for breath or even just to think, you'd have to keep going at that pace for approximately 8 years and 8 months before your switches wear out.
Your average keyboard has a warranty of two years at most these days. Do you really think they're made to max out the longevity of your switches? Do you really?
I mean Kailh box switches are rated to last even longer than cherry switches in large part due to them being dust and water resistant.
@@GeorgePerakis damn
I have a Motospeed Inflictor, with Outemu blues, and the only problem with it is that others in the room really don't like the clicks.
I don't understand why people like the loud clicks from these keyboards... I'm a huge fans of silent ones... I like feedback, but you can feedback from the feeling of the keystroke - I don't need sound feedback.
Josh Yonathan
because I like the sounds of the keys clicking
yeah cuz you need to know that you pushed the reload button...
using clicky mouse and keyboards make me feel weird
Josh Yonathan I like it in the middle so browns are for me
Same those kind if keys anoy me. Especially for streaming .
I would say the reason the knock off blues sounded louder because its open on the sides where as the g.skill keyboard has lowered buttons.
This is just a speculation.
Hey greg, look to Gateron switches which are overtaking cherry in popularity and quality in the mech keyboard community
Kavin Intrada, sadly i never heard of them.. :( could you possibly link a website that sells that type of keyboard?
jung kim Ahem... Google it?
Overtaking? Hardly. They're competing, yes. But Cherry has dominated the scene for years.
Kevin Yoo He's talking about the mech keyboard community not the market as a whole
hi mate they are only really sold as individual switches and or pre filed in boards sold on massdrop.com
You didn't put into account that the different cases make for different sounds. The G.SKILL had a higher pitched sound because it has an open chassis, allowing for sound to escape more easily.
I've only had experience with Outemu and Kaihl blues. I think I prefer Kaihl over as it felt smoother for some reason. I don't have experience with genuine Cherry's yet though.
Do you know any kaihl blue rgb keyboards? If it has media keys on the f keys that would be nice. And if I like a lighter click, which switch brand should I aim for? I’m thinking kaihl because I don’t want to pay $150 for a cherry mx keyboard just for more durability and smoother feeling and I heard that kaihl was smoother and lighter than outemu.
bradylynne If you like lighter switches stay away from outemu.I like outemus hard click so I have them.
@@dogechallenger4994 no its not
There's a lot to consider when comparing it to another knock off switch, you might wanna try to compare same switch (Cherry MX Blue) from one brand to the other, for example, compare a Cherry MX blue K70 to your G.Skill, they both sport same switch which are blues, but they have different PCB/Keyboard housing, it will all boil down to the material used on casing.. it directly affects the sound, switches on plastic housing or switches on an aluminum frame.. you might wanna check and try this out.
I got both. For feeling, oetemu>Cherry, actual typing speed and long term typing cherry >>oetemu
But I recommend gateron blue over both of these switch
Mech-keyboard overall are longer lasting than membrane keyboards, but early outemu has QA spec issues, just cuz they were trying to make a cheaper switch. Today outemu has better build quality, and importantly different switch design than the scratchier and mushier cherry switch design.
You should try Gateron switches. I heard they were considered the best Cherry clone, and many are even better than Cherry switches, feeling a lot smoother, more consistent, and not as scratchy.
I just bought a keyboard called mechanical eagle m77. And man do I love it, the sound and click is very satisfying. They are blue switches, but they are not authentic and I think I like them better then cherry.
Good video too!
Ah I have the Eagle Z-77, first mechanical keyboard I own and I love it.
oops thanks for correcting me xD yes it is quite the keyboard I love it too bits.
The MechanicalEagle uses Outemu switches.
I own the same keyboard it's pretty good. Over here its branded as a xterme gaming but it's the exact same board. Looks super sexy
I tried the Cherry ones in-store and didn't like them. I impulsively bought a set of Outemu from Black Friday, and I love it
I'm able to type fastest on cherry mx clears which require considerably more force than any other switch. I don't think there's a correlation between force and speed of typing.
I think there is, but it depends on the typist.
There is for me. I type faster on Cherry reds vs blues
the last time I used outemu switches (blue) is a 40$ ish keyboard and the switches started to chattering in just a week after mild usage. Im using cherry mx brown switches now and I could not be any happier
This is easily one of my favorite channel's on TH-cam right now
I have been looking for a Mechanical Keyboard for some time but I do not have the bang to pay for an Expensive Brand with Authentic Cherry Switches and I have seen several options that appeal more to me regarding features like waterproof or cable length but the Switch type was keeping me away from buying. Now I know best.
Thanks Greg!
Mate, get some gateron switches, they're cheaper than cherry switches and they feel better. Don't get one of these
All this clicking would drive me crazy after a while. Are there mechanical keyboards that areren't as loud as these two?
My Cherry MX red switches barely make any noise if you only half press them. You don't have to smash them all the way down like a normal membrane keybaord. In fact, you can't hear the actuation in mid travel. You don't feel exactly when it turns the switch on, but its very light if you want to type for a long period of time while being efficient (or lazy, however you prefer to think of it).
I would recommend trying out several different keyboards at a display in a store so you can hear the difference in real life. I'm actually much louder with a normal office keybaord, and that's something I wouldn't have guessed!
Reds or browns.
Did you watch the fucking video?
I have a 25€ keyboard with Outemo Blue switches (the worst part of it is the very noticeable ghosting, can't do a shout or bring up the weapon wheel while running in Skyrim and GTA V respectively), and I've noticed that the keys actuate just ever so slightly after the click. Not enough to be noticeable while typing, but still.
My experience with Outemu Blue: Not uniform, the pressure requirement is +/- 5 grams randomly among the keys. They wear out EXTREMELY quickly, which key is random but a few will lose the click and become more like a red or black. Save yourself from anger, go with Kailh in a Tesoro or something.
Necris Or just with Cherry MX amirite?
BearHoldingShark Depends on the location, here in eastern europe where income is on average ~ 300 euro / month cheaper alternatives even if they are 20 euros less they make a big difference in overall budget.
kailh switches are considered to be one of the most inconsistent over time as well my friend
from what i know by others and my own experience, out of all the cheaper clones, the outemu switches are the best value for money choice. tested again and again and very few have complained. after 3 months of hard use, my switches sound the same as the first day. maybe you were unlucky and your piece was defective :/
The keyboard I just bought has outemu blues in it, so far so good. And btw, Kailh's are terrible.
Just got my outemu blue keyboard. haven't woken anyone up yet but paranoid and typing slowly as if it will help. haven't found faster typing than with membrane yet because i'm not used to the sound. Honestly slightly disappointed with the "feeling the actuation point" because you actually don't. It's not that precise. It clicks on activation, but can be raised to inactive without releasing past the detent, allowing multi press bumps. I may end up enjoying it as a feature; it's just not what I expected.
Stefan Bacon
You can always get reds or browns
Actually I noticed on my outemu blue switches (all that I tested), that the actuation point is "under" click point, so you can actually press multiple times key before you passed the click/tactile part, Is it the same thing on cherry? Or this is only on chinese switches?
i wanna know too, I currently own an outemu switch keyboard,, they're very useful for mashing keys.. never tried it on an MX
I have a Redragon Kumara k552 with outemu blue switches and the actuation point is right in the click sound, I don´t have that issue you are facing.
i know this is late and maybe somebody mentioned this but the fact the cherry mx keyboard has a enclosed case vs the outemu blues floating key design may play a difference in sound imo. Still a good video
Cheap gaming keyboard usually use Oetemu switch
Which is Good
cheap = low quality？
苏沉安 cheap as in it costs less
@@v0idvvv843 Cheap doesn't necceserry mean low quality. Some chinese keyboards can last longer than branded keyboards.
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Cheap = Smart
@@v0idvvv843 cheap = spending less money on a keyboard of about the same quality. Seriously "gaming" keyboards are weak asf. They're built about the same as the decent quality cheap boards. Just the switches and stabs can be a little clunky.
i totally agree. I tested a Logitech with Cherry Blues and was honestly disappointed. Just got the mechanical eagle RGB z77 chinese keyboard with the Outemu blues a month ago and I'm in love. A superior blue switch and tactile feel along with RGB lighting and effects, and a metal frame for only 69.99 on Amazon. i couldn't beat it, very satisfied
did you put the thermal pads on your 1070s to keep then from getting to hot
They don't get hot. They aren't FTW/SC and aren't severely overclocked.
Salazar Studio k I thought it was a general acx 3.0 thing
Salazar Studio k I thought it was a general acx 3.0 thing
All EVGA 1070 and 1080 SKU's are effected by this, the only exception is the Founders Edition cards. You will not know if the VRM's are overheating or not, there are no temperature sensors on that part of the board. I've got a base ACX 3.0 GTX 1070, and am doing the mod as a preventative measure. Ounce of prevention is a good thing with multi thousand dollar rigs ;-)
Its the vrm that gets hot on the acx 3,0 coolers,the gpu core temp could be 60c,but the vrm could be 120c.
I would check if your gpus are effected.
Sound is effected greatly by the keyboard design. Floating caps are going to be louder. To test the sound of the switches it would be better to remove them from the boards.
Well I found a new ASMR trigger lol
nice mate. typing asmr is popular and the triggers by the switches are good :)
I have a Redragon K552 keyboard with the Outemu Blue switches and while I do think they sound a little "crunchy", I absolutely love how they feel compared to authentic Cherry blue switches. I know when a command is sent because not only can I hear it, I can feel it.
What about the Razer Greens/Oranges?
Not as popular nor standardized, which is why they were not addressed.
Ok, Thanks.
I would love for you to include them in future videos. Razer is the brand that comes to mind when I think of mechanical keyboards, and including Razer greens or their "mecha-membrane" keyswould make sense to compare to blue switches.
Yes but the OEM is Kailh which is a very popular MX clone company
razer makes their own keys now, and kailh makes switches for numerous other brands.
I bought a cheep mechanical keyboard a couple years ago thinking it had cherry switches. Tbh, I'm really not mad finding out they're actually outemu
I have a redragon karura keyboard and the keys are almost flat with the base, its not a mechanical keyboard, what kind of keyboard it that called?
John wattson those are called scissor switches
membrane keyboard?
On your particular keyboard, they are simple rubber domes, AKA a membrane keyboard.
*Le Sigh* I should have removed the s in my previous statement, I meant for his redragon keyboard that the rubber domes were in a membrane keyboard (according to amazon anyway) and thanks to my phone's crappy autocorrect it prompted you to nerd rant :P sorry bout that, I do know the difference.
i hink its called a chicklet keyboard, like the ones on laptops
As a mechanical keyboard enthusiast, Outemu blues are known in the community to be significant clickier and higher-pitched. Not surprised at all with the results of this video. Great vid!
new camera? I noticed the videos are in 4k now.
Same camera.
Salazar Studio just uploading in 4k now?
Rick Dailey maybe your internet got fast ?
No I went back and looked. His videos are mixed between 4k and 1080@60. I just thought they looked better than normal, so I checked and it was at 4k. I have a chrome add on called youtube center that I set to play the highest quality available by default. It also removes ads and auto play/auto buffer.
don't block ads man. And balls to you to say it out loud, it's like "hey bro, nice video but i ain't letting you earn money"
Question about the switches. Sounded like one had a more... gritty... travel than the other. Can you confirm if you felt that?
Membrane keyboard is the best.Feels like breast.
sXebeast Ha no
sXebeast you guys don't make sense. Membranes are so unpleasant.
Actually, I'd say they're the second best. You just can't top the feeling of typing on a mushy, 1mm travel distance, laptop keyboard.
nice bait
monotron how is that bait?
I am typing this on a Redragon K580 VATA (brown switch.) I got it on Amazon for $61 a few weeks ago, I wanted media keys. This keyboard feels very satisfying compared to my old Romer-G keyboard. Also the switches can be swapped, they're cheap on amazon and my keyboard came with 7 extra switches anyways. I don't think cherry would be worth the premium, especially since browns are hard to find and expensive anymore.
Hes the guy from “you” the netflix series
Typing feeling should not be the only parameter considered when choosing a switch... Otemu do last shorter. They're definitely less durable than cherry, so choose wisely :)
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Already got the 1STPlayer FireRose after watching your first video covering it. For $44 its a great keyboard really like the feel of these blue switches. The LEDs are a nice touch too.
Umm Gateron?
Umm no.
What I love gaterons, especially the linear switches they just feel so much smoother it's like the stem has no contact with the housing of the switch. They are so buttery smooth. Gathering also has a couple unique switches like the yellows and the clears. The clears have only require 35 grams of force, I love them for games.
Why not?
Science Studio yes. Better than cherry mx lol
Gatorade
I'm personally a fan of Gateron Switches. They are in the same family as Cherry but I found the feel to be better. I use Brown switches regardless.
Typing with Corsiar Strafe Cherry MX Blues, great keyboard for $80!
i hate that non standard bottom of that strafe
Yashi Rin and subpar build quality.
I got the K70 LUX RGB with Reds. Tried Browns, but even for typing I like the reds more (i am used to bottom out the key).
Ive had both Outemu blues and cherry mx blues... They feel the same but completely different if that makes sense, which it doesn't. I used a corsair strafe with cherry mx blues for about two years until i spilled liquid on it and shorted the board. decided to give the havit rgb mechanical a shot and i find myself liking this keyboard more. Build quality is lacking compared to the Corsair but it's more satisfying to type on.
Why didnt you buy 2 1080 ?
Why buy 2 1080s?
why buy?
Why?
So his benchmark isnt at 80 degrees after 10 mins. Did you see the Battlefront benchmark this guy did? WAYYY TOO HOTTTT
I dont know , hes doing a super high end rig , so why not go to the end with the best graphics card
I have a Redragon k556 with outemu browns and blues and I've used cherry mx blues before and I'd say that the reason why cherry mx are so expensive because you are buying the name of the brand also. The redragon have removable switches for diy so I'd say that the outemu switches are better and if I encounter any problems I can buy outemu switches online for about $8 for 10 switches, they are the same as cherry and I haven't experienced any issues.
Glad I went red...Outemu blue sounded like a glass being tapped with a spoon.
I bought a used backlit TKL mechanical for $20 with blue switches (idk what "off-brand") and I love it even though everyone in the house hates it because it sounds like a typewriter lol
Those Otemu blues sound awful
I have them and I love them....to each their own
i don't care for the sound blue switches make in general. i like browns myself. nice middle ground, i find reds to be too "fast"
djancak man, you hurt my feelings
I personally like that sound over MX Blues, reminds me more of Razer greens which I personally like (but are just so loud D:)
Useless Dog cherry blues sound awful. Blue Alps are by far my favorite sounding switch. Buckling Springs are a close second.
Outemu switches sometimes don't activate when pressed. This is true with the low profile version of the switches.
I'll pay more for things made in Germany, USA or Japan. I don't want Chinese switches.
Why do you have a iPhone sir.
Orjon Zaganjori Burn of the Century
Orjon Zaganjori Nice!
mate, the new gateron switches are better than cherry switches
but you more often pay much much less when using Chinese keyboards, I got a Chinese mechanical keyboard for only 50 dollars
Sounds like the chassis affects the sound. The thicker chassis on the cherry keyboard makes the sound lower pitched. The otemu switches are on a lighter chassis so it sounds higher pitched. Are both keycaps the same material as well?
Cherry mx blues sound and feel terrible to type on, in my opinion.
If you want a proper clicky switch go for matias/alps.
Cherry mx dominate in mass production, not quality.
well, you can also have a look at Kailh BOX switches, maybe the best modern switches in terms of sound, and the tactility is fucking huge, it also has water and dust resistance
@@hikarii8758 ZealPC's switches are also decent, and don't forget the Unicomp Model M.
@@kacperuminski1547 I don't remember Zeal providing clicky switches, and Buckling spring is really good but it's not modern, as the design was invented decades ago
@@hikarii8758 No, but they sell Aristotles which can be modded together with the Zeal switches to make some excellent clickies (Zealiostotles). Also, is the fact that buckling springs are an old design a negative? If so, why?
@@kacperuminski1547 Aristotle and its modded variants are really good ones to, but Aristotle's housing is shit and some people don't like modding. Another thing to note is that Aristotle still uses clickjacket, while BOX switches use their own mechanics. I don't mean buckling spring being an old design is bad or anything, it just doesn't suit the concept of being modern.
The off-brand keyboard has a different sound click profile too, it has a higher pitched 'tick' noise than the cherry brand.
The outemu keyboard sounds when you type on it sounds like you are beating a bad toy xylophone or some bad wood dominoes /pieces. Listening to that feels like someone is raping my ears.
Meanwhile the cherry blues make a satisfying clic, even if i prefer and use reds because i prefer them without the clic.
The sound might be better on the MX Blues, but the tactile feedback, which many would argue is more important, is much worse.
Marrie Mccray or cherryMX snobs...
ur a cherry snob
i guess some just couldnt accept the fact that the outemu is cheaper and more satisfying than cherry.
Joha Shahrezza Joehari ikr. My new mechanical keyboard uses outemu browns with o rings and it sounds great!
I've used both. Cherry feels a bit "sticky" and I much prefer the cheaper Outemu but the click of Outemu sounds too loud.
I don't care about the sound because I don't hear myself typing over headphones, but the outemus can feel pretty good but they are very hard and clicky switches.
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I own an Outemu Blue Switch Keyboard right now which I bought only 3 days ago. It definitely sounds better than other cheap Blue Switches like in the case of the AULA keyboards.
I don't use a mechanical Keyboard at all #Thuglife
Your comment doesn't show up on TH-cam they banned all membrane keyboards sorry
Rare Person how about touchscreen keyboards
And in the end it comes down to preferences: some people like the way an otemu blue feels and some like the way a cherry blue feels. An otemu blue is not a knockoff from cherry blue, the stem color blue is universally agreed on clicky so the clicky otemu switch is called blue.
#cherryclearmasterrace
*ergoclear
then you find zealios and your life is complete
+THERAZORKILLE Productions zealios are much better than ergo clear unless you're talking about mx clear stem in gateron housing
*MOD-M.
cherrymxbrownwerunthistown
Honestly when it comes to key feel in your testing you should have been using the same set of caps for all the boards as cap plastic type and quality can make a HUGE difference int he way a switch feels.
ITS OW-TEM-U also try some tangerines those will change your perspective on clicky switches
I just recently purchased my first "gaming" keyboard. I saw that it outemu blue switches, and didn't really think much of it. Since then, I absolutely love them. At the time of writing this, I've had the keyboard for just a couple weeks so far. The keyboard I have is the Tecware phantom RGB.
Perhaps the difference in sound may have been down to the type of plastic used
I have Outemu blue switches for 4-5 months now, and they become less "clicky" over the time.
You can definitely tell the difference between wasd keys and other keys which are not mostly used like print screen, home, end etc.
Is this a problem with cherry blues too?
You have to take in the account of housing. The g skill will have a nice deep sound, the first player has no real housing to change the sound.
I just recently switched from an MX Blue mechanical keyboard to an Outemu Blue mech.
It's fascinating as I have exactly the opposite experiences and observations.
I found the Outemus to be harder to press/actuate. I also seem to have more typing errors with the Outemus than my old MX Blue keyboard.
Not sure if it's because I used the MX Blues for a decade and just recently switched to Outemu, or the fact that I have used the MX Blues for a decade and the keys have worn out, therefore making the keys easier to press?
I do have to agree with the Outemus being louder than the MX Blues.
Anyways, great video comparing the two.
The keys have worn out. I've noticed this on my Outemu blues as well, after heavy heavy use of gaming for years. The WASD keys are much easier to press than the others I use less often
You also need to take into account the chassis. Also do be sure to try Kailh/NovelKeys BOX Jade switches, especially since you like clicky keys. If you like the light weighting, Kailh Blue or Kailh Speed Bronze are great. But honestly, nothing competes with Alps SKCM Blue switches.
I had a Cougar with Cherry Browns. It was nice, but when I bought the Redragon with Outemu Blues, is was much better! Nice video and explanation. Thanks!
Cherry Blues definitely sound and feel different from board to board - I've compared Blues in a G.skill KM780MX to the Blues in my Das Professional 4 ( yes, they are Cherry - I got the board before they offered greetech switches ). The Das is much louder and the keys feel remarkably "springier", if that makes any sense. Sound and feel seem like they're heavily influenced by how the keyswitch is mounted. Are the keys in the G.skill boards PCB or Plate mounted? I'd be interested in seeing a comparison video between different Cherry MX Blue boards to get your take on it.
From my own experience, I've found that cherry switches are just more consistent. I've had some issue with kaihl in that some switches don't feel the same. Cherry can have the same issue but I've found that it occurs in fewer switches.
One thing i have noticed on different keyboards with the same keys is when one has an aluminum plate. it feels less "mushy" and is audibly a bit less hollow, perhaps something you can test on volume differences between the two. Also on what VoxelFish said about an open keyboard, I did try removing the upper trim on my mech keyboard with blues and it most definitely had a different sound, perhaps not louder or quieter, but different. It may be hard to tell with just the keycaps off because you aren't typing, but it would be something to try too, even if only to see for yourself, not in a video.
Tried Outemu Reds before Cherry Reds, Cherry's were far more consistent for me. The Outemu switches felt different depending on the key I pressed, even after breaking it in over a month, so I personally stuck with the Cherry. That being said, the Outemu was half the price and I do think many would find it just as enjoyable as the Cherry switches, I just personally couldn't stand the inconsistency when playing games, since the D key felt off.
I have both as well. Outemu Blue on the Magiforce and Cherry Blue on Leopold. I have been fully won over to the Outemu switches. They are the clickiest switches in the world right now. Loud and satisfying! I won't swap again for anything less than a classic IBM Model M buckling spring keyboard.
Just to point something out, there are Cherry MX Green switches which need a lot more actuation force than blues. Nice comparison video!
Cherry MX Speed Switches (Grey) are my favorite. Satisfying click, fast actuation, distinct click noise, and extremely easy to push the keys. (My left thumb with the most gentle rest on the space bar clicks it lol not the keys fault)
My Outemo (not Outemu) blue switches are 80g of force, which I believe is higher than Cherry. Either way, I like them. I added silicone o-rings, but I'm not sure they're an improvement. I have to type more lightly to get that same tactile feel. Zealios' padded cherry tops inspired me to experiment with different materials to muffle the clack into something bassy while allowing a full stroke. Some thick PBT caps (ordered, to replace the ugly gamer-y font) should pitch the click and clack a bit lower.
They're 80g switches - much higher than Cherry.