The ONLY Way Sith Can Become Force Ghosts - Star Wars Explained
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I never got the impression Ben had an illusions he could best Vader. I think he knew his time was up, and his battle with Vader had more subtle motives, distracting the Dark Lord to ensure he didn't confront Luke or the others and perhaps unnerving him when he surrenderd himself prior to Vader striking him.
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So basically he wanna troll anakin one last time
Vader was kenobi's bitch
@@xdsmile5359 yea exactly. Just mind fucking vader lol
I agree, I'm sure Obi Wan could have beaten him in the duel. He did beat him by sacrificing hinds and becoming a force ghost; there to guide Luke.
“The chains of the grave cannot hold a Dark Lord of the Sith…”
-Marka Ragnos, “Tales of the Jedi”
The story goes...
Ajunta pall was a sith spirit for a thousand years, bound to his tomb. But he regretted betraying the jedi, finding peace and becoming one with the force. So was he sent to "Chaos" or do sith just need to let go of their hatred and greed for power to return to the force?
I love how Lucas had to go back later and invent all this extra stuff to explain things that didn't make sense in the original movie. Like the parsec thing or why Kenobi put his saber up and let himself be cut down
He had worked out why obi wan would be cut down. The overall plot of Star wars was thought out
@@Ryukikon he was winging it ffs, either that or he was up for incestuous behaviour
Legends for the most part wasn’t written directly by George Lucas, which is why we call them “Legends”. Now we’re lucky enough to have Dave Filoni
@@colz848 I think he was winging it at first because he had no idea that it would turn into what it did. Back then films didn't explode the way that one did and take on a life of their own like that. Like the parsec thing. It sounded spacy but didn't make sense so they had to make up this planet surrounded by anomalies just to explain it lol
metachlorians? lololol
1:45 the first film actually came put in 1977
Sith are just as amazing with the force. Just with different values.
Qui Gon did return in spirit form in the clone wars talking to obi Wan in the Crystal Cave and at the end of the Obi Wan Series?? Not too sure where you got that he didn't learn the ability fully when he clearly has..?
The first film came out in’77 but awesome video regardless
I always understood that scene as Obi Wan's goodbye.
It would be interesting to see if Anakin had any interaction with Padme once he transcend after doing what he needed to as a force ghost
Technically there is no way around it. They must have met, sooner or later after Anakin died.
@@davidhimmelfahrt3732 yeah thats what I was thinking I wonder exactly what went down I mean she probably knew what happened in the 20 years I'm wondering how she felt as well as knowing exactly all he went through. I mean what he did was wrong but he wasn't exactly 100% at fault. Tbh it just makes me want even more a series where he didn't burn lol
Padme would have never met Anakin. She became part of the cosmic force and lost her individuality.
@@danielthestonejohnson4733 well if it's done that way then yeah totally sucks he'll never see her again but it all depends how they would want it to work. I mean if there was some sort of after life which could be possible since atleast force users are able to be force ghosts but then again I'm not to sure
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Yep I remember reading something about this back in 1999, concerning the sith and all unrepentant darkside user's ending up in eternal chaos-hell and damnation.
Great vid. Thanks.
Saint Anger.
Can I start by saying Vader looks mean as hell in that thumbnail. For 1977 this movie was amazing. It defied a lot of limitations Hollywood put on films back then. Plus George knew Hollywood was racist against Jews and Dark-skinned people so he did things his way which proved EO be better because Hollywood used his inventions in almost all their movies nowadays. I’ll always love George Lucas and Mel Brooks for taking extraordinary risks and telling the truth through their films.
It seems like the sith are trying to prevent the grim reaper from guilding them to whatever fate they have which in this case is chaos or the star wars version of hell (to be clear the grim reaper's sole duty is to guide those that have passed on to the next life the grim reaper does not determine what fate you have after death he only guides you to whatever fate awaits you and the grim reaper is neither good or evil but rather a force of nature)
Imagine if Discworld Death existed in Star Wars.
So my curious question is, since darth Marr was a selfless sith and also Lana, are they doomed to chaos as well, because Darth Marr was made a force ghost.
If your destiny after death is based off what you've done I would think it would assess your actions like a judge would a crime. That means checking intent versus impact so I would think that even if you basically caused the Holocaust and murdered 1000s of people you could go to the nether realm instead of chaos because you had pure intent. Especially if you try to stone at the end of your life when you realize what you did.
After his death, Marr had a very long time to converse with Satele Shan to create a unique viewpoint on the Force that they would later impart to the Outlander. In this process, he adopted the Jedi belief that “there was no death, only the Force.” Marr was also peculiar for a Sith because before all of that, he didn’t try to evade death, and spent most of his life trying to preserve the Empire. He might have avoided Chaos because of these factors.
Lana Beniko might also have avoided that fate for much of the same reason. She has a unique version of the Sith philosophy, and also worked for the benefit of the Sith Empire as a whole and later the Eternal Alliance, which both played a role in helping preserve the galaxy as a whole. Though she did some undoubtedly shady stuff in her job, she wasn’t excessively cruel or power hungry.
@@cobalt968 thank you for your insight, Marr is my favorite Sith Lord of all Sith and I was extremely happy to see him return as a force ghost, hence why I’ve pondered on how he became said force ghost. And I hope Lana has escape the fate of chaos. Both of them share a common alignment, serving the Empire and its citizens sith or imperial over themselves.
He became one through the Light Side of the Force
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Isn’t darth nihilus a sith spirit cause he bonded himself to his mask and robes
One thing i do not like about Star Wars is that there is no final judgement. If Chaos exists as a type of Hell who is the Just Judge who determines they should suffer? The Force is also called the Living Force but is not a personal being. It’s not even “Living” in that it’s not a personal being which also means there is no Will of the Force either. A Will is indicative of a being endowed with Free Agency. Basically it makes no sense but I suspend my disbelief and enjoy the mythos nonetheless.
Narratively, I think having a heaven and hell in Star Wars is a really bad idea.
When a jedi accepts death they become one with the force itself
I think they're desperate attempts at immortality is a combination of the 2 reasons highlighted
I love that there is kotar storyline in here! I absolutely loved kotar and explored all 4 of these ancient sith lord tombs!
Off topic question what's the likelihood of you making an in depth video about nom anor? He's my favorite Star wars character and I think he is a great character for sticking true to himself matter what even choosing death instead of fleeing with Luke and the twins. Instead of believing Luke would honor what he said in the end of the new Jedi order books and choosing death instead because he knew it would be his own choice. I have great respect for him because he was the one vong we saw outside the slave caste actively question the nature of vong hierarchy and put his own survival over all of his people's beliefs (the warrior that allied with Anakin solo doesn't fully count because he only fully went against his people's hierarchy after being shamed and demoted from warrior to slave caste)
There were others who questioned it, notebly the Shapers and Priest classes, a few of which were main characters. Nom made some bad decisions but it was always interesting when he was in the picture.
This is very dark and creepy. I knew this before but nice to see it again :D May the Force be with you too :)
Then how do you explain Darth Marr, who in Legends became one with the Force as Jedi do, but was Sith to the end?
He was so real the Force had to oblige lol. He also put the Empire above his own needs and was selfless in that way.
I believe that both outcomes are correct. The Sith wish to gain as much power as possible in the physical world, to the point where they can transcend death and become immortal Sith Gods, while at the same time they can escape from the judgement that awaits them after their death. In other words, these 2 reasons are best described as 2 birds with one stone.
The sith reject the will of the force and seek freedom from it so I can see why they would be reluctant to join it in death
Some Sith finds a way to bring themself back from the dead.
Farth Sion - cough
This is so very Swedenborgian. It reminds me of a very old book written by a mystic from the 1700's "Heaven and Hell" by Emmanuel Swedenborg. He believed every being actualizes, ultimately choosing good or evil (in stages). Their eternal destiny reflects that choice much like the Sith and the Jedi.
What happens if a non force user commits the same atrocities as a sith but just couldn't touch the force? Would they also be sent to chaos?
Yes. Just about everyone in the universe is force sensitive in some ways. Force binds everyone.
They'd have to make greater atrocities
Or have ridiculously good balance In the light side
Because they lack force sensitivity
The Christian’s call this…Hell 😂
@@jacobg2081 well ya but there's no reason to assume the SW afterlife follows the same moral laws of our world
So about that Tarkin guy.
Does blowing up a whole planet count? LOL
I mean he needed Palpy's machinations to build the Death Star but he gave the order...
Chaos?!
Heresy intensifies
Aaah yes. My friend, the emperor of mankind. Had a lot of fun times torturing heretics and Jedi together.
Actually the spirit of Darth Bane was just an illusion conjured by the dark side itself on Moraband in an attempt to drive away Yoda.
Jinn can be a force ghost now according to the Obi show, which is really dumb that they didn’t pay attention to the fact that Jinn didn’t finish his training.
It can be assumed Yoda taught him as a force ghost.
@@bolg892 I think that is a way to explain it but my understanding is that is not how the ability worked. You’re training needed to be done while alive in order to save the visual form but I could be wrong.
In books confirmed he finished the training while dead
@@davidhannum9017 may I ask what books? Because everything I have seen/read stated it was not finished, ever.
Angecy of the force would be attached to the heart of the soul and the mind of a jedi, especially with the spiritual species of yodi would already have. That means their life force and spirit would become one in a spiritual realm of all jedi masters. Other hand, chaos realm of hellfire spirits from sith lord's and dark forces in play forever be coursed angecy to be forever in pain. Only some not all could be coursed within both realms just like ankin Skywalker only half his human spirits went to realm of jedi masters and his other darker side went to chaos realm of hellfire spirits.
Vader's concept mask in the thumbnail almost makes him look like a Predator
Can there be a video explaining where Anakin ended up after his time as a force ghost? While I know I'll get a comment about how he should of went to the force nether that to me seems like it wouldn't exactly make a whole lot of sense,as he spent most of his life as a Sith Lord not a Jedi meaning he did a great deal of atrocities that should in context make him ineligible of passing onto anywhere but chaos
you have to treat the force as a place of peace rather than a judgement. Anakin was able to be one with the force because he finally let go of his sith ways and decided to risk his life for his son. Chaos is for those who refuses to transcend, even if you force them at will to transcend it might corrupt the eternal peace so they go to chaos to let go of their old ways.
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You are wrong sith lords such as marka ragnos freedon nadd exar kun vitiate sidious didn't need to artifacts or places to bind their spirit to return from the spiritual world, the ritual exar kun performed is estate by the source to have make him all powerful if it wasn't for the interruption of a combination of over 2000 jedis doing the wall of light, exar kun return from chaos the same way valkorion and papaltine reborn did those 3 were the only sith lord to become one with the dark side of the force and turned into nexus of pure black energy
Well I think that like in our world there could be what some considered to be a third relm basically where spirits of either light or dark side can be when they have unfinished business does anyone else agree with me
What is the name of the sinister background theme playing at 3.30 ?
Amon from Starcraft 2 comes from The Void, Sith call Chaos "The Void". Coincidence? I think not. Crossover when? KEK.
I've always wondered how things would of turned out for vader if padme was able to come back as a force ghost ( yes I know she isn't a jedi and isn't able to) but how would vader be if she could would he still serve palpatine or would he go back to the light
Weird how Qui Gon had to vigorously train and not finish, but Anakin gets a freebie.
it came out in 77 but still
Can you do one about darth marr
Pretty sure qui gon came back as more than just a disembodied voice
I think and believe personally that when Anakin/Vader died his light side and dark side split and both of his force ghosts lived on his Anakin half and Vader half are both equally powerful and I believe that the pic of the Vader half that’s part of this video is guiding Kylo Ren towards the dark side but his Anakin half is doing the opposite at the same time so that’s why I’m that scene in the force awakens he’s talking to Vaders spirit or force ghost and is receiving answers on how to become more powerful with the dark side but at the same time the Anakin half is talking to him and telling him to do the opposite(and I will add that if you disagree with me please don’t comment on this post but if you do agree I’d love to hear what you think also)so that’s that
With all this Sith possession... One would think someone would come up with Force Exercism and finally rid the Galaxy of these Evil beings and their literal presence once and for all.
We just call a priest an read from holy books in our reality almost makes one wonder if anyone in theirs ever tried.. an if so, how it went
All sith to some degree share my pity whether they deserve it or not
The original Star Wars came out in 1977 not 1974 guys.
1:30 Obi Wan truly was the jedi without fear. Even when accepting defeat. His mind is clear.
The acception maybe being Dooku out of respect.
Correct me if I am wrong, didn't Qui Gon appear at the end of Kenobi.
He did
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Where does Ulic's spirit fit?
So the Sith ghosts are more like disembodied liches and the items they use to anchor them would be their phylactery. Cool
To me Jedi "force ghosts" are more akin to a projection after they ascend and their consciousness expands, their anchor being the living force. I bet they "reincarnate" once their mission is complete or maybe stick around for a little bit more before they choose what to do.
5:33
The rule of two , is the secret to immortality
In training luke he had way more important priorities than pretending he could take vader on alone in his home territory. He may have known vader would sense him & fully expected the encounter but that's not at all like what you suggested. Just doesn't make sense whatsoever & if it did it would be a huge mistake on his part & something he & yoda would likely personally disagree with, let alone probably go against the Jedi code with Luke in tow
Darth Marr became a Force Ghost.
Ben had no allusions he could beat Vader. He knew his time had come and he didnt have a chance with Vader. He was so much at peace with the force he already knew what was coming.
I look at it this way, the Jedi give themselves to the force in life and in return are free in the force after death. The Sith dominate the force in life and in death are slaves to the force.
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So Sith ghost, can only exist attached to object or place and suffer from loneliness or chaos. Jedi ghost exist only for specific task and time, with limited abilities to interact with others, if they doesn't finish their training. They become one with force or/and go to their own Jedi underworld.
Darth mar: am I a joke to you
Why the Force tolerates the existence of the unknown regions?
but... we've SEEN Qui-Gon's ghost before tho: near the end of KENOBI's final episode.
My question is (if it was ever answered) - is Force Ghost like an actual 'soul' of the Jedi? Or is it like, hmm, hologram/replica/image/reflection of what the Jedi was, made by the Force, but it's technically 'not him'.
And if so, what happens once the Jedi can't show up anymore? Is there Star Wars afterlife? What about those who can't use force? If, I don't know, Han dies, he's gone and lost forever, nothing of him remains?
Not quite unlike Jedi normal people who are not force-wheelers their life essence their Force essence will be spread across the universe through the cosmic Force giving life essence to anything new does that make sense?
So what about that part in Obi-Wan that breaks the canon where Qui-Gon appears as a ghost on Tatooine
Wondering the same thing.
@@iFanchi tell ya who didn’t tho, Disney+ when they saw $’s in their eyes at the thought of bringing Liam Neeson back for a cameo
Wait.. What if star wars battlefront 2, heroes vs villains, is what force ghosts do in their freetime?? (just a joke)
5:25 Then Obi Wan show made Qui Gon physical... ... wtf
🤔 I thought Luke seen Ben standing alongside Yoda and Anakin at the end of the og trilogy?
Here's one thing a don't get how can the Sith not beable to become force ghost. Jedi was formed by siths so it wouldn't exist without them right? Even as you said there's been Sith lords who've become force ghost sush as Darth nilhius and Naga sadal.
I once wondered about sith holocrone darth Crayt found. Did it contained darth's Andeddu, Bane and Nihilus souls? I read the comic long time ago, and I'm not sure if there was a clear explanation (correct me if I'm wrong), but by the fact the sith used certain artifacts to come back, why wouldn't it be their holocrones fulled with sith knowledge?
74?
Wait what about darth nihilus he is a forces spirit and he can only come if someone wear his mask
Obviously you never saw Kenobi bevae Qui-Gon jinn comes back as a force ghost
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Sometimes sith happens and who you gonna call?
So In other words the sith are star wars version of Demons.
NGL i do not really like the idea of sith going to "chaos". One of the cool aspects of the force was that both the sith and jedi tap into the same power source in different ways, and molded or became with it in differing ways. If there is judgement, why does this somewhat neutral source become judging in the afterlife.
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star wars came out in 1977 not 1974 as you say at 1minute, 47 seconds
1974? Don't you mean 77?
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Wait. Wait. Wait. 1974?
Didn’t the creator of Star Wars say Obi Wan was stronger at that fight?
1977 not 1974!!!
The Original was 1977 not 74.
1974? You're a few years off.
I dont think all sith are evil, they are just unbound by silly jedi codes and they dont take anyones shit 😂 i mean whats the point in having all these powers just to limit yourself... doesnt make sense to me
Only a sith deals in absolutes
True. Jedis proven to be more of the villains. They went out of their way to kill all pure-blooded sith.
@@batsy087 the empire brought peace and security until the rebels came along
"I don't think all Sith are evil" is a nonseniscal statement in and of itself. Intentionally embracing a philosophy that requires a person to accumulate power at the expense of other life forms and treat those life forms as expendable matter in pursuit of that power inherently makes someone evil.
What about a sith possession? Like a “demonic posession”
Wrongful death… what about a sith spirit returning due to a wrongful death?
The darkside of the force played the jedi “the ends justify the means” or perhaps a reckless execution of a suspected sith
8:10 settling a score
The void and hell arent the same. The void is a deletion. Hell is a punishment
Im getting a …
The jedi were theives.
And the sith brutalized them
Loved ones swore retribution
They achieved it and sent sith underground and out of sight
Both causes however just, are unbalanced… is a theft = to a murder? Many would say no…
But the persistence of the sith… a “wrongful death”
If you think that Obi-Wan's mission on the Death Star was to defeat Lord Vader then you know nothing about Star Wars!!
The original star wars came out in 1977 not 74
If I want to look at this simplistically, it doesn't make sense. You are constantly hearing about a balance in the force. If there is a balance to the force, then one would think that what the Light side can do, so should the dark side. That is balance! 100 pounds on one side of the scale, and 100 pounds on the other side of the scale = Balance.
Well chaos is just bad writing. If there is a hell that can be objectively shown to be real, and the path to go there is well laid out there would be no sith. Nobody would choose eternal suffering for temporary gains.
I clicked on this. Video because I thought op knew what he was talking about. Turns out he knows next to nothing.
Explains why he has so few followers.
This whole chaos thing is just nonsense they just cant find peace and they are tormented by their own actions, being one with the force is what they fear, they dont want to be nothing, immortalility is what they want
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@@TheGOAT.696You are nothing but a userper, a false Jango
@@TheGOAT.696 Yesss
The show Kenobi made a shit show of the "new hope" duel.
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