This makes sense to me... if there are many Dark Side users/orders that are not the Sith... same can be said of the LIght side... the Jedi and Sith are not exclusive users/owners of The Force.
Basically Plo Koon was so OP, trained with the Baron Do sages to learn precognition and the ONLY JEDI to beat Yoda in a duel, he was so OP they had to give him a stupid death otherwise he would've stopped Darth Sidious.
@@godspeedhero3671 haha got some bad news for you bf3 is an fps game about Americans Oh you mean battlefront yeah so after elder scrolls 6 comes out we will see
@@Whiskers4169 LOL what? What does Elder Scrolls have to do with Battlefront? not related at all and EA/Dice confirmed there will be no Battlefront 3 anytime soon.
@@kangtheconqueror8359 Yeah, but those companies lie all the time. After the absolute failure that was Squadrons, we'll see if EA changes their mind about capitalizing on a more "sure" product.
@@godspeedhero3671 They don’t lie about projects being canceled though,in-fact it’s proven many devs from Battlefront II left especially the creative leads and they definitely are not lying about these things.
The kel-dor sages actually went underground so they weren’t rediscovered until Luke restarted the Jedi order. Though Luke didn’t exactly ask any of them to join a few did join the new order on their own terms and serve with distinction in the Vong war and the second civil war. Luke never gave them actual membership just saying if you would like to join but on your own.
These other light side organizations sound really interesting. They each figured out how to understand and use the light side in ways that worked for them. The fact that some of them didn't like how the Jedi did things or even that the Jedi took Force sensitive children to train. I didn't know that there so many different light side organizations besides the Jedi. I think it makes sense that the others don't have light sabers, or even know how to build them. Great video.
I've always wondered if there were more "expressions," of the Force. Like you had the witches of Dathomir, and the way *they* used the Force was different from the Sith, and yet they were both Dark Side users. And then you had the magic used in the Ewok movies(yes, I know they're not regarded as canon, but it would be interesting if that one element be canon), where the Ewok elder showed an image of the giant beast. So I had figured there must be different ways in which different groups used the Force. I'd love to see more of that.
The Je'daii were not a light side order. Thython forced them to balance dark and light and any je'daii drifting too far towards ashla would have been forced to meditate the bogan and vice versa.
@@maadtee6281 Technically... The jedi order that we know today came from that order as did the sith. Jedi like revan windu and Luke Skywalker fall under the label of the Je'daii than the Jedi order that we all know. Examining their code you can see that had they kept various aspects of their order than the Jedi order wouldn't have been destroyed by Vader. In fact Luke's Jedi order that he started to establish before his nephew threw a lightsaber into the wheel went back to more of the Je'daii way of using the force. Using aspects of both for his new Jedi order.
There was another organization that used both the Jedi and Sith, they were the Jensaarai. More like the Grey Jedi in outlook. They hoped to achieve a balance while using the Force. They created imbued Armor instead of building a Lightsaber.
They also sided woth the sith as they saw the jedi as evil. They canonical assisted the empire during the rebellion as they saw the sith as a by product of the jedi hoarding knowledge
@@The_winds_of_change They tried to sideing with the Sith but the Sith saw them as no different then Jedi so they were attack leading them to go back into hiding. Anyway all this was because they got access to a Sith Artifact that was telling them warped and altered history of the Jedi and Sith to trick them to joining the Dark Side but it was destroyed before it could fully corrupted them so that why they have element of Sith teaching but are not Dark Siders.
Wait a second.... why didn’t anybody ever make forcefields out of kyber crystals? All you’d have to do is hit someone with the shield and they’d die, I don’t remember the name of those robot things that rolled around but they should have used light saber crystal for the force fields and had it cover the entire body, they’d practically be unstoppable, you don’t even need them to shoot or anything just have them roll into its enemy’s......
Just asking because armor made of kyber crystal sounds a lot more useful than the saber itself. You could literally just walk through things at that point
There are many viewpoints to the Force. And each Lightside aligned organization is is valid in their specific beliefs. Jedi orthodox is not the only truth to the Lightside of the Force.
@@jmgonzales7701 The Borgatin (or however you spell it) they didn't have to join the order officially to take part if they didn't want too, and they spent more time just chilling and being around the common folk. The Jedi had an issue of not being as connected on average with the regular commonfolk of the Republic.
The Star Wars Galaxy is a vast place and there is no doubt that there probably hundreds of thousands different interpretations of the light side of the force. It would be interesting to see Luke seeing or interacting these other force sects.
I wish there was more grey Jedi stuff in cannon. When I was a kid I loved using all grey stuff on kotor games. Who doesn’t wanna use dark side powers without being even? And also wouldn’t that serve the balance of the force better than anything?
Me too, I'd love to see a Zeison Sha in canon. It'd make a great contrast to the jedi since they're gray leaning towards the light side but they DESPISE the jedi.
There is at least one (possibly two) groups of force users I'd be curious to know more about, but I don't know how much information is available at this time (since I think they're fairly new additions to SW cannon). I really like the Chiss navigators (introduced in the new Thrawn trilogy), and they appear to be either a light-side or neutral group that focuses one or two specific powers. The other is whatever was going on with the Lassat in Rebels. The method Zeb used to find the new homeworld really looked like force-use to me, but I don't know if that's discussed anywhere else.
All views of the force are valid to those whose practice them. Just because they are not Jedi, it does not mean their viewpoint or traditions in the Force are any less meaningful or advantageous compared to Jedi orthodoxy.
Yes, the force is a tool to be wielded, akin to a knife or sword, it only harms who the user chooses, and can't do anything on its own (ignoring the sentient force beliefs)
@@epmcgee Is Entropy evil in nature , is emotion evil, is destruction and death truly evil? It is called the Darkside of the Force simply because it’s practitioners study it in secret, not that the entropic nature of the Bogan is indeed evil or insidious by its design.
@@makisonoda7925 and morality is a fluid concept, since good and evil aren't definite in any means, merely the perception of those things in an individual
They were major rivals with the brotherhood without banners, the people's temple, the talamascans, the greybeards, space Australia, and scientologists.
both the modern Jedi and sith are flawed, to create true balance you need a balance between light and dark. not all light like the modern Jedi believed. the ancient Jedi, before the split of of the sith, did practice this.
There's the Matukai too. They're my personal favorite; they don't really use the Force extrinsically, instead channeling it through their bodies and doing things like enhancing their speed, strength, agility, stamina, even their immunity to poisons. They were basically whirlwinds of melee combat that never got tired, and the most experienced of them could actually physically harden their own bodies so it'd be like you're punching Colossus from the X-Men. They could superheat their hands too and melt shit that they touched. Best part was that, unlike Jedi, they viewed martial arts as a form of meditation, so they'd probably be inherently good at Form 7 if they ever picked up a lightsaber. Though, their giant twirling Force halberds are probably just as effective of a weapon, so I'm sure they're fine without them. Not to mention, it kind of makes them the perfect Light Side Force-Users to actually fight in a war and not fall to the Dark Side. They'd basically just enter a meditative battle trance every time they got into combat. If anything, it might even strengthen their connection to the Light Side.
I find it hilarious that I've met people who unironically believe that a powerful Force user can't be killed by his/her/its own Force abilities outside if Disney despite the fact Legends also having no shortage of abilities that are literally stated in those same works to be "powered by the user's life force". Hell, sone authors practically implied it to be partially related to how "Dark Side degradation" works.
You forgot to include Luka Sene, the Force organization of Miraluka, especially for individuals who have stronger connection with the Force, with the purpose as an academy to develop the sense-related powers of its members and protect Miraluka from falling into the dark side of the Force, but it doesn't dictate a member's personal life.
According to the Zeffo force vision Kal had on Bogano, the sage in the vison said that they have gathered all that was left of the Zeffo people and fled into unknown space (dunno if they meant the unknown regions or just outside their own galaxy). So I wouldn't say that they have been extinct. Unless there is anything to back that up in canon content.
I think Disney should look into doing this with Star Wars. Make movies about Force users not the Jedi. It probably would have helped with Rey and people’s view of her not having Jedi training. They could even make a kind of cinematic universe of different Force users, then come together in an Infinity War-type event.
I think my own favorite us the Aang-tii Monks, though I guess they really are a true neutral ground, so I can kind of see why they didn't make it into this video. Their "flow-walkng" ability is neat, as is their strange aversion to directly handling certain objects; they use TK, or they I occaaional ally, to do so. This seemed to be one of the best, yet most problematic, powers Jacen Solo picked up, trying to reacquire his kwisatsz hadarak status, after the Vong War. Barring them, I was always a fan of the incredibly stealthy Faalanasi. However, I think one of my overall favorite powers, which isn't really associated with any one tradition, wad Anya Kuro's teleporting ability. When I was playing Star Wars Saga Edition RPG, my Padawan specifically had the Dark Woman as his Master, so I could have that ability. He later did also learn flow-walking, which allowed him to go back to the point where she died, and sag good bye to his master, before the Dark Womab was slain.
The Baren. Dooo sages...... You mean the Barman Do Sages? Also the Empire didn’t destroy them, they ignored them as well as the Sages going underground for a time
There was a New republic EU book where Luke encounters a group of neutral force wielders who could use the force to relocate objects. They used this power to teleport their ships. And objects. I can't remember the specifics or the name of the book. Does anyone know what I'm talking about 🤔😅
I have recently been reading the book, star wars the clone wars: no prisoners written by Karen Traviss. In the book they talk about a splinter group of the Jedi order called the Altisian jedi lead by former jedi master atlis, I was wondering if you know much about them as I found their "existence" to be very interesting.
Aing-Tii monks? I remember them from legends. They had the ability referred to as Flow-Walking. One of Skywalker's or Solo's descendants seeks them out to learn the ability in order to change the past. Not sure what they Aing-Tii monks overall connection and relationship with the force is though.
Does anyone know what the force users in the novel "I, Jedi" were called? They could make themselves invisible to other force users, hide a star destroyer, and even their homeworld using this power.
Wow! Great video! I have so many questions. First, where did you get your information? Can you list or link them to this video? Second, what about the dark side users who were not Sith? I’m really interested in that as well.
did he just try to justify the bs death of Luke in the Last Jedi and making it look like the creators of the last 3 films are actually well-studied hardcore Star Wars fans? yeah I'm out.
Jedi should've had some of these light side users as Allies to fight back against the dark side sith.. and the Sith should've allied to work with weaker dark side users.
The point is many of these organizations opposed the Jedi in one way or another. Some did ally with Luke during the Yuuzhan Vong wars. Additionally, the Sith Order in its current form is led by the rule of 2. A master and an apprentice. However, they have armies that likely have force sensitives that weren't as powerful, as well as employing some mercenary style force users.
@@coppertopv365 that is an apt way of putting it. Both sides believe their way is the right way to interpret the force, both are at opposite extremes in their views.
The Bouncers mentioned in the first Darth Bane book were force users also. Much simpler beings but sentient enough to use the force to communicate telepathically with others not of thier race
Disney didn’t need writers at all, just needed to convert the “Legends” books into films/TV series’s. Mickey Mouse Wars is very a very choppy Frankenstein Monster of Star Wars. They could have just made Dark Empire into Episodes 7-9 since it was a much better version of the fake episode 9. Don’t get me wrong, they were good stand alone movies but as part of the the Saga? Rubbish!
@@mburg33 Exactly. Take some parts from Legends, put your name on it and say it's your idea, whatever. But NO! NO! NO!. They stuck and sunk with that pile of shit.
More content like this man, not making the same videos about dookis lightsaber or something 10 plus times, I get that it may be from Eu and now new cannon sources however it's a little repetitive, but this one was refreshing
I think they should have done this in the sequel trilogy. Take some ideas from the expanded universe, but they can still do their own thing. The New Republic defended by Luke and Leia's Jedi order, now trying to preserve their republic from the Knights of Ren, a theocratic dark sided council working with Snoke and his esoteric force users, using dark science and magic, and Palpatine being behind it all. Other dark sided orders would join in and Luke and his Jedi order find other groups to ally with, like the Guardians of the Breath, Imperial Knights, Order of Revan, ect. and they all have their own beliefs and agenda and it's up to the new Jedi order to unite the warring factions to combat the growing threat.
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Huh how about that. I kept hearing a weird sound while listening. Anyone else? The sound was hard to describe but I think it could best be described as “Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney…” over and over. It was an extremely annoying buzz sound.
so, the barandu sages we meet during the quest for answers taken by ben and luke skywalker, was they people that survived the empires attack or did the empire kill all the sages, or do it changes in legends and cannon? alteast in legends it was aparently quite hard to acctualy manage to get true the area of space that was around the planet of this species the barandu was part of. it looked like luke and ben had problems getting past it, and if i remember my lore correctly they sufferd from illusions and there was the danger of some type of storms in space that could damage or destroy ships or atleast seriously mess with the system on the ships.
The sages were waiting for the perfect time to act?? they literally waited until order 66 and all the Jedis to get murder then get hunted down one by one by the inquisitors because they were such good allies of the Jedi
The Bendu, or at least the creature shown in rebels, was aligned to the middle of light and dark, he could sway to light or darkness but never primarily used one over the other
Also mattered where it came from, emotionally. Plo Koon could used Force Judgement - a Lightside type of Force Lightning - and the Council originally didn't really like him using it, but tolerated it when it became obvious that it wasn't coming from hatred or anger.
Plo koon learn lightning abilities from Barand Doo sect on his home planet. I hope we some pilgrimage to other force sects in High Republic by jedi knights and masters. Hope to see more historian, archeologist in HR era too.
I would wield a grey lightsaber. I never saw an orange saber in any of the films, I wonder what personality traits came to those who lightsabers were orange, or even black, not unlike the Dark Saber.
Yaddle used to have (and technically still has canonically) an orange lightsaber, and the color meant true pacifism and self-sacrifice. Yaddle died embodying these traits when she saved Anakin from a bio-bomb, if I'm remembering correctly.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Sorry to catch your comment late. However, thank you for digging that up for me. I never went deep into SW except all the movies and tv shows including Clonewars, Rebels, Mando. I did read a short paperback about a crew tracking a distress beacon. Turns out it was an abandoned DeathStar. They explored, scavenged and had a run in with the garbage chute monster. It could not have been canon because the DeathStar(s) were either under construction, fully populated or entirely destroyed. Made no sense. It must of been a George Lucus approved fan fiction. Full colored cover and back. Just curious, what color saber would you wield? And would you be light side Jedi, dark side Sith...or a mix of both and then go your own way out into the galaxy with your force sensitivity?
It is odd how the books are never descust fate of the jedi has more on most of this the movies are terrible the tv shows i miss the books this was interesting Appreciate the video
Hey great list, but you missed one group that are arguably more powerful then any other. The Aing-Tii monks. In Legends Yoda sent sent Jorj Car'das to be healed by them. They used a non leathal but powerful Vor'cha sticks. They could flow-walk - a type of mental time travel Jason Solo learned from them. And they could teleport their semi organic ships using the force.
So I have general question for all Fandoms, what is with the head cannon becoming reality because the Baron Do sages survive into the legacy Era and never had to deal with the empire because they have such good precognitive ability and the empire had no way of stopping them as Travel to Doran is extremely difficult for non force users. This is discussed in the 'Fate of the Jedi' books at length.
I am ok with them at the beginning, or at the end, but ads that keep popping up during the show are horrible. Please, you are ruining your own content with these interruptions.
Many force users had side orders or no orders at all. Think about religion, how many people have a faith that doesn't work within a religion, or have their own form of a religion. Then you have the fact the force was within many people, not all found by the jedi or sith , but learned how to touch and use the force in their own way with no religion what so ever. It makes more sense then all force users being one or the other. The jedi worked hard to keep all force users within their ranks from birth, even if weak, but it would have been impossible to find them all. The jedi were criminals in that way, taking children from parents and family and forcing their beliefs upon them.
It's interesting how many different groups, both light and dark, claims to speak for the force. What if the force could speak for itself for once? Maybe through a possessed medium? It would be funny if the force would school all those followers and told them the are all wrong 😆
My favorite thing about videos like this is the people that come to comment on how they love gray jedi and they'd love to be one. But don't realize they'd just end up being a dark jedi or sith
It is interesting to see how these connect in various ways. It seems like when you look at various religions there are a lot of things that you discover about the routes of the religion and how they came to what they are today. Some claims that there religion is the way. There are a lot of intertwining of this force, whether or not it is good or bad. It seems like you can see that in today's religions and values. Of beliefs.
I often wondered as no amount of killing or molestation at all for that matter is of the light, shadow or mundane as it is perverse this violent hence it being corrupt to kill or molest at all for that matter as instinct denotes not to mention intuition.
Church of The Force... Imagine the Yoda an Pre Yoda Republic Council's response to being worshipped. Imagine they'd be near horrified or appalled judging from all the problems such a thing can bring.
They worshipped the force and the force in balance. They believed the jedi to be keepers of the force and didn't directly worship them, simply believed they would be the only possibility for the universe to regain balance. They were just the Jedi Order for non force sensitives
This makes sense to me... if there are many Dark Side users/orders that are not the Sith... same can be said of the LIght side... the Jedi and Sith are not exclusive users/owners of The Force.
Night sisters, inquisitor and sith
Majority of dark side users are evil
Blackguard too.
In an infinite universe there would be many expressions of the force
Good job but what the di bendo
Sry not intrested in anything 7-9 . They assassinated Luke . They Disrepected canon.
... Well said 👍
Basically Plo Koon was so OP, trained with the Baron Do sages to learn precognition and the ONLY JEDI to beat Yoda in a duel, he was so OP they had to give him a stupid death otherwise he would've stopped Darth Sidious.
If BF III doesn't have Plo Koon we riot.
@@godspeedhero3671 haha got some bad news for you bf3 is an fps game about Americans
Oh you mean battlefront yeah so after elder scrolls 6 comes out we will see
@@Whiskers4169 LOL what? What does Elder Scrolls have to do with Battlefront? not related at all and EA/Dice confirmed there will be no Battlefront 3 anytime soon.
@@kangtheconqueror8359 Yeah, but those companies lie all the time. After the absolute failure that was Squadrons, we'll see if EA changes their mind about capitalizing on a more "sure" product.
@@godspeedhero3671 They don’t lie about projects being canceled though,in-fact it’s proven many devs from Battlefront II left especially the creative leads and they definitely are not lying about these things.
The kel-dor sages actually went underground so they weren’t rediscovered until Luke restarted the Jedi order. Though Luke didn’t exactly ask any of them to join a few did join the new order on their own terms and serve with distinction in the Vong war and the second civil war. Luke never gave them actual membership just saying if you would like to join but on your own.
Hopeful in the new canon they join luke to fight the Vong with Kal and Ezra as members
Use some punctuation
So, they were allies of the Jedi.
@@jbjb3360 They did. You didn't. Ironic.
@@epmcgee Congratulations, you caught the joke. Have your giant brain plated in gold.
These other light side organizations sound really interesting. They each figured out how to understand and use the light side in ways that worked for them. The fact that some of them didn't like how the Jedi did things or even that the Jedi took Force sensitive children to train. I didn't know that there so many different light side organizations besides the Jedi. I think it makes sense that the others don't have light sabers, or even know how to build them. Great video.
Lukes still alive, the sequals were actually a giant prank!
To my head canon it’s a nightmare alternate timeline dimension.
I've always wondered if there were more "expressions," of the Force. Like you had the witches of Dathomir, and the way *they* used the Force was different from the Sith, and yet they were both Dark Side users. And then you had the magic used in the Ewok movies(yes, I know they're not regarded as canon, but it would be interesting if that one element be canon), where the Ewok elder showed an image of the giant beast. So I had figured there must be different ways in which different groups used the Force. I'd love to see more of that.
We're just going to ignore the Je'daii?
The force sensitive order that existed before the Jedi or the sith.
Thank you!
The Je'daii were not a light side order. Thython forced them to balance dark and light and any je'daii drifting too far towards ashla would have been forced to meditate the bogan and vice versa.
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Good point.
Weren't they like gray or something
@@maadtee6281
Technically...
The jedi order that we know today came from that order as did the sith.
Jedi like revan windu and Luke Skywalker fall under the label of the Je'daii than the Jedi order that we all know.
Examining their code you can see that had they kept various aspects of their order than the Jedi order wouldn't have been destroyed by Vader.
In fact Luke's Jedi order that he started to establish before his nephew threw a lightsaber into the wheel went back to more of the Je'daii way of using the force.
Using aspects of both for his new Jedi order.
There was another organization that used both the Jedi and Sith, they were the Jensaarai. More like the Grey Jedi in outlook. They hoped to achieve a balance while using the Force. They created imbued Armor instead of building a Lightsaber.
They also sided woth the sith as they saw the jedi as evil.
They canonical assisted the empire during the rebellion as they saw the sith as a by product of the jedi hoarding knowledge
@@The_winds_of_change They tried to sideing with the Sith but the Sith saw them as no different then Jedi so they were attack leading them to go back into hiding. Anyway all this was because they got access to a Sith Artifact that was telling them warped and altered history of the Jedi and Sith to trick them to joining the Dark Side but it was destroyed before it could fully corrupted them so that why they have element of Sith teaching but are not Dark Siders.
Wait a second.... why didn’t anybody ever make forcefields out of kyber crystals? All you’d have to do is hit someone with the shield and they’d die, I don’t remember the name of those robot things that rolled around but they should have used light saber crystal for the force fields and had it cover the entire body, they’d practically be unstoppable, you don’t even need them to shoot or anything just have them roll into its enemy’s......
Just asking because armor made of kyber crystal sounds a lot more useful than the saber itself. You could literally just walk through things at that point
There are many viewpoints to the Force. And each Lightside aligned organization is is valid in their specific beliefs. Jedi orthodox is not the only truth to the Lightside of the Force.
Yes however, one wonders how many of these orders were wiped out by Sidious
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I'm sure the Empire would hunt them all under the title of "Jedi"
True, some low key kinda better than the Jedi Orthodox beliefs of the Clone Wars Era Jedi Order
@@thalmoragent9344 like who?
@@jmgonzales7701
The Borgatin (or however you spell it) they didn't have to join the order officially to take part if they didn't want too, and they spent more time just chilling and being around the common folk.
The Jedi had an issue of not being as connected on average with the regular commonfolk of the Republic.
The Star Wars Galaxy is a vast place and there is no doubt that there probably hundreds of thousands different interpretations of the light side of the force. It would be interesting to see Luke seeing or interacting these other force sects.
I wish there was more grey Jedi stuff in cannon. When I was a kid I loved using all grey stuff on kotor games. Who doesn’t wanna use dark side powers without being even? And also wouldn’t that serve the balance of the force better than anything?
Me too, I'd love to see a Zeison Sha in canon. It'd make a great contrast to the jedi since they're gray leaning towards the light side but they DESPISE the jedi.
That's why Starkiller was so baddass, he literally had the balance of the force
@aber dunsky no he wasn't
@@Delta_2209 no he didn't, he just used the dark side for good
I don't, grey jedi make no sense. You don't just use both sides of the force willy nilly. The dark side is like heroin, easily addictive
There is at least one (possibly two) groups of force users I'd be curious to know more about, but I don't know how much information is available at this time (since I think they're fairly new additions to SW cannon). I really like the Chiss navigators (introduced in the new Thrawn trilogy), and they appear to be either a light-side or neutral group that focuses one or two specific powers. The other is whatever was going on with the Lassat in Rebels. The method Zeb used to find the new homeworld really looked like force-use to me, but I don't know if that's discussed anywhere else.
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Why are you praising a hack that ripped off a better done SW Channel?
All views of the force are valid to those whose practice them. Just because they are not Jedi, it does not mean their viewpoint or traditions in the Force are any less meaningful or advantageous compared to Jedi orthodoxy.
And you're saying use of the the dark side is also valid, in spite of the danger to universal life it poses.
Yes, the force is a tool to be wielded, akin to a knife or sword, it only harms who the user chooses, and can't do anything on its own (ignoring the sentient force beliefs)
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I definitely agree with that statement. “The Force” has no “will” of its own, merely being used by the will of those who use it.
@@epmcgee
Is Entropy evil in nature , is emotion evil, is destruction and death truly evil?
It is called the Darkside of the Force simply because it’s practitioners study it in secret, not that the entropic nature of the Bogan is indeed evil or insidious by its design.
@@makisonoda7925 and morality is a fluid concept, since good and evil aren't definite in any means, merely the perception of those things in an individual
They were major rivals with the brotherhood without banners, the people's temple, the talamascans, the greybeards, space Australia, and scientologists.
both the modern Jedi and sith are flawed, to create true balance you need a balance between light and dark. not all light like the modern Jedi believed. the ancient Jedi, before the split of of the sith, did practice this.
what about the Luka Sene from the miraluka people??????
There's the Matukai too. They're my personal favorite; they don't really use the Force extrinsically, instead channeling it through their bodies and doing things like enhancing their speed, strength, agility, stamina, even their immunity to poisons. They were basically whirlwinds of melee combat that never got tired, and the most experienced of them could actually physically harden their own bodies so it'd be like you're punching Colossus from the X-Men.
They could superheat their hands too and melt shit that they touched. Best part was that, unlike Jedi, they viewed martial arts as a form of meditation, so they'd probably be inherently good at Form 7 if they ever picked up a lightsaber. Though, their giant twirling Force halberds are probably just as effective of a weapon, so I'm sure they're fine without them. Not to mention, it kind of makes them the perfect Light Side Force-Users to actually fight in a war and not fall to the Dark Side. They'd basically just enter a meditative battle trance every time they got into combat. If anything, it might even strengthen their connection to the Light Side.
Star Wars needs to explore jedi rivals in the uncharted planets
Jal Shey, Zeison Sha, Matukai, Mabari, Altisian Jedi, Ossus Keepers
Where are the Corrunai, Zeison Sha or Tyia?
Yeah, I was hoping for the Zeison Sha too. Disc blades are cool
The Jensaarai became lightsiders during the Era of the New Academy under Luke, also.
Woah this is so interesting! Thank you for teaching me so many new factions that had a great effect in the galaxy!
I wonder if they fought vader and wonder if there are gray force users besides ezra, bendu and in a way Windu in canon
Jedi are like insects, flying toward the light all the time. Not smart. I'd rather be a member of the Bright Side.
The Force is; making distinctions between dark and light created all the suffering in the Galaxy.
Mmmm not really. It's mainly the dark side wielders that inflict suffering on everyone
wait I there's another video about lightside orders that says the Baren Do survived order 66 and out lasted the empire
I find it hilarious that I've met people who unironically believe that a powerful Force user can't be killed by his/her/its own Force abilities outside if Disney despite the fact Legends also having no shortage of abilities that are literally stated in those same works to be "powered by the user's life force". Hell, sone authors practically implied it to be partially related to how "Dark Side degradation" works.
You forgot to include Luka Sene, the Force organization of Miraluka, especially for individuals who have stronger connection with the Force, with the purpose as an academy to develop the sense-related powers of its members and protect Miraluka from falling into the dark side of the Force, but it doesn't dictate a member's personal life.
All light side organisations of the force are insignificant compared to those the of the dark side, long live the sith!
You all are a bunch of emotionally unstable crybabies.
Notice the severe lack of footage for the various examples. NOT CANON!
Does that mean...order 66 wouldn't have worked on these other orders because they weren't Jedi?
No mention of the Jal Shey? The Empire considered it a waste of time hunting them down
Yeah, people tend to forget that the Sith and the Empire hated other force users as well not just Jedi.
According to the Zeffo force vision Kal had on Bogano, the sage in the vison said that they have gathered all that was left of the Zeffo people and fled into unknown space (dunno if they meant the unknown regions or just outside their own galaxy). So I wouldn't say that they have been extinct. Unless there is anything to back that up in canon content.
The force is open to interpretation. Just cause the Jedi and sith do it their way their can be differences
I think Disney should look into doing this with Star Wars. Make movies about Force users not the Jedi. It probably would have helped with Rey and people’s view of her not having Jedi training. They could even make a kind of cinematic universe of different Force users, then come together in an Infinity War-type event.
I think my own favorite us the Aang-tii Monks, though I guess they really are a true neutral ground, so I can kind of see why they didn't make it into this video. Their "flow-walkng" ability is neat, as is their strange aversion to directly handling certain objects; they use TK, or they I occaaional ally, to do so. This seemed to be one of the best, yet most problematic, powers Jacen Solo picked up, trying to reacquire his kwisatsz hadarak status, after the Vong War.
Barring them, I was always a fan of the incredibly stealthy Faalanasi. However, I think one of my overall favorite powers, which isn't really associated with any one tradition, wad Anya Kuro's teleporting ability. When I was playing Star Wars Saga Edition RPG, my Padawan specifically had the Dark Woman as his Master, so I could have that ability. He later did also learn flow-walking, which allowed him to go back to the point where she died, and sag good bye to his master, before the Dark Womab was slain.
The Baren. Dooo sages......
You mean the Barman Do Sages? Also the Empire didn’t destroy them, they ignored them as well as the Sages going underground for a time
There was a New republic EU book where Luke encounters a group of neutral force wielders who could use the force to relocate objects. They used this power to teleport their ships. And objects. I can't remember the specifics or the name of the book. Does anyone know what I'm talking about 🤔😅
Super interesting video. Thank you so much for the information.
I have recently been reading the book, star wars the clone wars: no prisoners written by Karen Traviss. In the book they talk about a splinter group of the Jedi order called the Altisian jedi lead by former jedi master atlis, I was wondering if you know much about them as I found their "existence" to be very interesting.
Aing-Tii monks? I remember them from legends. They had the ability referred to as Flow-Walking. One of Skywalker's or Solo's descendants seeks them out to learn the ability in order to change the past. Not sure what they Aing-Tii monks overall connection and relationship with the force is though.
I have a feeling that some of these Light Side-oriented groups will make appearances in The High Republic.
Does anyone know what the force users in the novel "I, Jedi" were called? They could make themselves invisible to other force users, hide a star destroyer, and even their homeworld using this power.
Wow! Great video! I have so many questions. First, where did you get your information? Can you list or link them to this video? Second, what about the dark side users who were not Sith? I’m really interested in that as well.
I realize this is probably an unpopular option but I kind of find the Jedi as a whole kinda boring 😴
Luke died because of terrible writing, nothing else, they afterwards half assed some bad excuse for why he died.
did he just try to justify the bs death of Luke in the Last Jedi and making it look like the creators of the last 3 films are actually well-studied hardcore Star Wars fans? yeah I'm out.
Oh no, talking about sequel trilogy, me mad
@@roky7772 we are in agreement then
What about the Rodar Wizards
What about the Aiing-ti monks?
It's really cool that the lore is so rich. I didn't know there were so many organisations.
Jedi should've had some of these light side users as Allies to fight back against the dark side sith.. and the Sith should've allied to work with weaker dark side users.
The point is many of these organizations opposed the Jedi in one way or another. Some did ally with Luke during the Yuuzhan Vong wars. Additionally, the Sith Order in its current form is led by the rule of 2. A master and an apprentice. However, they have armies that likely have force sensitives that weren't as powerful, as well as employing some mercenary style force users.
@@epmcgee other words it's like a gang war, no other gangs want to join in or take sides.
Let the gangs destroy themselves..
@@coppertopv365 that is an apt way of putting it. Both sides believe their way is the right way to interpret the force, both are at opposite extremes in their views.
The Bouncers mentioned in the first Darth Bane book were force users also. Much simpler beings but sentient enough to use the force to communicate telepathically with others not of thier race
Jedi temple and knowledge could be a mix of different light side orders and some light side orders may have been absorbed into the jedi.
You mean you did a rip off with 2 LESS orders then what SW reading club has already done
Are u ok
I love this analogy, but at the same time it pissed me off. So much material, so much potential.
WASTED!
Disney didn’t need writers at all, just needed to convert the “Legends” books into films/TV series’s. Mickey Mouse Wars is very a very choppy Frankenstein Monster of Star Wars. They could have just made Dark Empire into Episodes 7-9 since it was a much better version of the fake episode 9. Don’t get me wrong, they were good stand alone movies but as part of the the Saga? Rubbish!
@@mburg33 Exactly. Take some parts from Legends, put your name on it and say it's your idea, whatever.
But NO! NO! NO!. They stuck and sunk with that pile of shit.
@@andy2200 on the stealing ideas part, Disney has been called out for using fan art in their official stuff without giving credit.
@@mburg33 Then give credits. Anything is better than that pile of shit they made.
More content like this man, not making the same videos about dookis lightsaber or something 10 plus times, I get that it may be from Eu and now new cannon sources however it's a little repetitive, but this one was refreshing
You find a rip off artist refreshing? th-cam.com/video/eVGu5xMoncM/w-d-xo.html done 4 YEARS ago and better by SW Reading club.
@@madhatter1057 Hey kid, that youtube channel doesn't have exclusive rights to talk about this stuff. Grow up and quit whining.
I think they should have done this in the sequel trilogy. Take some ideas from the expanded universe, but they can still do their own thing. The New Republic defended by Luke and Leia's Jedi order, now trying to preserve their republic from the Knights of Ren, a theocratic dark sided council working with Snoke and his esoteric force users, using dark science and magic, and Palpatine being behind it all. Other dark sided orders would join in and Luke and his Jedi order find other groups to ally with, like the Guardians of the Breath, Imperial Knights, Order of Revan, ect. and they all have their own beliefs and agenda and it's up to the new Jedi order to unite the warring factions to combat the growing threat.
What abut the Luka Scene?
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What about the jal shey?
Quite a few left out here.
Huh how about that. I kept hearing a weird sound while listening. Anyone else? The sound was hard to describe but I think it could best be described as “Disney, Disney, Disney, Disney…” over and over.
It was an extremely annoying buzz sound.
I wish your B-roll footage wasn’t just random stuff and focused more on the things you are talking about. It’s pretty distracting.
so, the barandu sages we meet during the quest for answers taken by ben and luke skywalker, was they people that survived the empires attack or did the empire kill all the sages, or do it changes in legends and cannon? alteast in legends it was aparently quite hard to acctualy manage to get true the area of space that was around the planet of this species the barandu was part of. it looked like luke and ben had problems getting past it, and if i remember my lore correctly they sufferd from illusions and there was the danger of some type of storms in space that could damage or destroy ships or atleast seriously mess with the system on the ships.
The sages were waiting for the perfect time to act?? they literally waited until order 66 and all the Jedis to get murder then get hunted down one by one by the inquisitors because they were such good allies of the Jedi
I thought the Bendu were an organization. Also the Baran-Do Sages use a form of force storm in canon. Fate of the Jedi: Omen.
The Bendu, or at least the creature shown in rebels, was aligned to the middle of light and dark, he could sway to light or darkness but never primarily used one over the other
star wars fan fiction is not necessarily cannon.....
doesn't suck as bad as people think. fan fiction tends to suck.
Do you really have to use massive spoilers from the show as background scenes? Come on man.
3:40 Why do you say Maz Kanata’s name so f*cked up? Have you actually seen the movies?
I am guessing all light side and all dark side had similar and different “powers” some would seek the different powers to make their force better.
Also mattered where it came from, emotionally. Plo Koon could used Force Judgement - a Lightside type of Force Lightning - and the Council originally didn't really like him using it, but tolerated it when it became obvious that it wasn't coming from hatred or anger.
Plo koon learn lightning abilities from Barand Doo sect on his home planet. I hope we some pilgrimage to other force sects in High Republic by jedi knights and masters. Hope to see more historian, archeologist in HR era too.
I would wield a grey lightsaber.
I never saw an orange saber in any of the films, I wonder what personality traits came to those who lightsabers were orange, or even black, not unlike the Dark Saber.
Yaddle used to have (and technically still has canonically) an orange lightsaber, and the color meant true pacifism and self-sacrifice. Yaddle died embodying these traits when she saved Anakin from a bio-bomb, if I'm remembering correctly.
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 Sorry to catch your comment late. However, thank you for digging that up for me. I never went deep into SW except all the movies and tv shows including Clonewars, Rebels, Mando.
I did read a short paperback about a crew tracking a distress beacon. Turns out it was an abandoned DeathStar. They explored, scavenged and had a run in with the garbage chute monster. It could not have been canon because the DeathStar(s) were either under construction, fully populated or entirely destroyed. Made no sense.
It must of been a George Lucus approved fan fiction. Full colored cover and back.
Just curious, what color saber would you wield?
And would you be light side Jedi, dark side Sith...or a mix of both and then go your own way out into the galaxy with your force sensitivity?
It is odd how the books are never descust fate of the jedi has more on most of this the movies are terrible the tv shows i miss the books this was interesting Appreciate the video
Bummer no paladins who were featured in the coruscant nights books
Luke didn't die. He ascended.
Disney sequels are just a nightmare parallel dimension.
Hey great list, but you missed one group that are arguably more powerful then any other. The Aing-Tii monks. In Legends Yoda sent sent Jorj Car'das to be healed by them. They used a non leathal but powerful Vor'cha sticks. They could flow-walk - a type of mental time travel Jason Solo learned from them. And they could teleport their semi organic ships using the force.
The Jedi council forbids a wife and children. No force babies. Makes no sense
So I have general question for all Fandoms, what is with the head cannon becoming reality because the Baron Do sages survive into the legacy Era and never had to deal with the empire because they have such good precognitive ability and the empire had no way of stopping them as Travel to Doran is extremely difficult for non force users. This is discussed in the 'Fate of the Jedi' books at length.
Disney keeps dropping the ball with this wealth of good lore.
No.
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There you are!
Ya I still don't buy luke dying so randomly like that.
Would the Chiss Skywalkers not also count?
I am ok with them at the beginning, or at the end, but ads that keep popping up during the show are horrible. Please, you are ruining your own content with these interruptions.
Just get adblock
The Imperial Knights of the Fel Empire.😎
Many force users had side orders or no orders at all. Think about religion, how many people have a faith that doesn't work within a religion, or have their own form of a religion. Then you have the fact the force was within many people, not all found by the jedi or sith , but learned how to touch and use the force in their own way with no religion what so ever. It makes more sense then all force users being one or the other. The jedi worked hard to keep all force users within their ranks from birth, even if weak, but it would have been impossible to find them all. The jedi were criminals in that way, taking children from parents and family and forcing their beliefs upon them.
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It's interesting how many different groups, both light and dark, claims to speak for the force. What if the force could speak for itself for once? Maybe through a possessed medium? It would be funny if the force would school all those followers and told them the are all wrong 😆
I think this guy never heard half these words spoken. Mispronouces many names.
Probably
My favorite thing about videos like this is the people that come to comment on how they love gray jedi and they'd love to be one. But don't realize they'd just end up being a dark jedi or sith
It is interesting to see how these connect in various ways. It seems like when you look at various religions there are a lot of things that you discover about the routes of the religion and how they came to what they are today. Some claims that there religion is the way. There are a lot of intertwining of this force, whether or not it is good or bad.
It seems like you can see that in today's religions and values. Of beliefs.
I often wondered as no amount of killing or molestation at all for that matter is of the light, shadow or mundane as it is perverse this violent hence it being corrupt to kill or molest at all for that matter as instinct denotes not to mention intuition.
Does anyone know the music at the end of the video?
Church of The Force... Imagine the Yoda an Pre Yoda Republic Council's response to being worshipped. Imagine they'd be near horrified or appalled judging from all the problems such a thing can bring.
They worshipped the force and the force in balance. They believed the jedi to be keepers of the force and didn't directly worship them, simply believed they would be the only possibility for the universe to regain balance. They were just the Jedi Order for non force sensitives
The degoyion aren't wrong about the jedi.
I wish the Matukai were still canon. That was a badass order and I actually preferred them over the Jedi.
Literally just had a debate with a friend that involved this topic a few weeks ago.
shizney doesn’t know this,
or they only recognize the woke side of the Force, the thing even the Sith loathes
The Jedi weren't the most correct, simply the ones with the least aversion to the flavor of boot.