Hey my friends! I really wanted to make this video at your request. I still wish if he didn't burn then we would get an over powered Anakin...however to keep it realistic, I don't think we would get all that much of a difference other than the events that I mentioned which mainly take place at the end. What do you think would have happened? How would you have it written? Thanks for watching and enjoy your day!
AudioAndroid it didn’t though. When he was designed that battle had not been thought of. And merchandise from a single character has basically no impact on the economy as a whole so your comment is just kind of fucking stupid.
Idk Anakin was pretty intimidating whenever he taped into the dark side in the clone wars , with his emotions on full display I feel he could be just as threatening
I think it would be cool if he still wore a black lightly armoured suit with one of those masks that cover the bottom half of his face, so it will protect his identity but you can still see his eyes which, I think, are the most intimidating part of his face when he taps into the darkside.
@@mish2637 idk if he would want to protect his identity, though, because Palpatine’s original plan was for Anakin Skywalkwer to be at his side as a tool to help the takeover flow better and to help people to fall in line during the big transition from “Republic” to “Empire”. He knew he had to play that move very carefully. That’s why he spent all that time building Anakin up as a hero during the Clone Wars, and even then he manipulated situations to keep Anakin out of danger and had him be in right place at the right time to build him up to be the “ultimate hero” (since Palpatine essentially controlled both sides of the Clone Wars, he knew when to place Anakin where at any given time to have the best results. He helped make Anakin a celebrity that the people loved, and when he turned him, he was going to cash in on that and take advantage of his celebrity and hero status with the people to rally them behind the Empire. He could have eventually worn a mask but I don’t think Sidious would have wanted that. Sidious had to create a last minute plan B when Obi-wan defeated Anakin on Mustafar. With the chosen one broken and more machine then man, he has to switch up his tactics. He originally planned on using the Anakin’s hero status to rally the people and I’m not exactly sure if he was planning on having their identity as Sith Lords be out in the open, but I think he might have taken that step, had Anakin not burned. Idk about that part, though, I’m only speculating there. I do know he was going to use the hero worship and the people’s love of Anakin as a tool and had to settle for using “fear” instead. Palpatine was a psychopath, but he was brilliant, and he knew what a gift he had with the chosen one by his side. I know people would have gradually come to fear Vader more and more everyday, but Palpatine’s preference was for the chosen one, the People’s hero, to be standing by his side when he addressed the senate and the galaxy during the big transition. He planned on having Anakin “reluctantly” speak against the Jedi..that’s why Palps tried to hype Anakin up so much among the people and downplay the other Jedi. There is a reason Palps built him up as the ultimate hero of the people. I LOVE Palpatine...I think he is brilliant, cunning, patient, and the greatest villain in the history of villains. I don’t think he gets enough credit for his brilliancy. JMO 🤷🏼♀️ They touch on some of this in the RoTS novelization, if I remember correctly, and there is an awesome TH-cam video on this very topic but I don’t remember who made it. Maybe the Lore Master.
igitwams I mean tbf, and this is canon I’m pretty sure, the emperor had a suit designed to allow Anakin to fully live to his potential but decided not to out of fear that Anakin wouldn’t turn again and destroy him
*Luke:* how did my father die *Obi Wan Kenobi:* You know that thing they call lava? Well don't try swimming in it brother, cos man is it painful. When you don't have the high ground, it stings like a bitch! You also burn up like a crisp if you make it to land too.
If Qui Gonn had cut off Jar Jar's tongue, he would have talked with a speech impediment, but otherwise little difference. Now if Qui Gonn cut off Jar Jar's head, there would have been a disturbance in the force, like millions of voices sighing in relief, yelling in victory, and high-fiving each other. Also, people wouldn't hate the prequels and 20th Century Fox, George Lucas, and now Disney would no longer have to pretend that the prequels don't exist.
Doesn’t even need to push him in the lava. Palpatine could have Force levitated some lava from the river and dropped it on Anakin. “Oh, Anakin, that lava spout was so unfortunate, but don’t worry, everything will be alright!”.
RIGHT. Dude easily killed hundreds of men, women and children with his own hands over the years. Majority because he FELT like it. Killing Jedi was his pastime, not his actual mission.
You mean both times he got burned, right? Because even I felt the burn when our boi was laying down the moves and Padme said "Ani, you'll always be that little boy I knew on Tatooine."
I think vader still would've worn a helmet as he'd likely hate his own face as a constant reminder of anakin, as well as to keep his identity from the public. Though, the public seeing the poster boy of the jedi academy now being devoted to the emperor might get more people on board with the empire from the begining
Imagine Anakin wearing a black version of an early clone trooper helmet (not the later stormtrooper helmet). Along with a black version of the Jedi armour that Obi-Wan wore in the Clone Wars animated series, and a black cloak. That would be quite a cool look.
The thing you have to take into account is, the Empire..technically was still the republic. When Rome transitioned from a republic to principate It's not like your typical Roman felt they were under some new power. Only the senate really experienced a change here as they no longer had any "real" power. The reality is, under the empire...most people's lives WITHIN the republic now empire probably didn't change at all.
I never understood why palpatine didn't just use the cloning facility on kamino and grow vader a new set of Lungs and limbs, using Vaders DNA. he may not have been as powerful as before but possibly more powerful than with the suit
he was offered a suit upgrade but it was declined by vader. In the end vader and plaptine both didnt want to give him new lungs and a suit. the suit caused his dark side powers to be stronger and his burns and his body fueled him with hatered to obi wan. If he were to get new everything he would slowely forget all that obi wan did and thus not have a person to hate. He would then become weaker and maybe transfer to the light side
The Suit Vader wore would poke and prod him, causing pain which in turn brought about Anger- The Source of Power for The Sith. The Suit would inject small doses of Pain Medication to make Him more Comfortable, but (I think) Palpatine disabled it to inflict Pain to make Vader Stronger. Nothing like a Big Man in a Black Suit Whom is Pissed at the World while going through a Roid Rage from Being Forced to go through Withdrawls.
The GooseHunter Plays he wouldn't have lost his hand and completed his training and leia Chewie and Landon would have escaped just the same because Luke coming to save them did nothing to help them as he didn't even make real contact with them.
Damn when you hear James Earl Jones say that line "but you are not a Jedi yet." and you FEEL the nostalgia and the perfection of that line delivery....man how lucky are we, eh?
there is no reason to wear a helmet and their is no reason not to, he would not have need of all the additional life support functions to his suit how ever and he could have more time to develop his limbs to his specifications. it was no longer a rush to get him medical treatment.
Timm Blue he wouldmost likely do what Revan or Kylo ren did wear a hooded Battle mask or Helmet because Vaders armor was also made for the fear factor same way Nihlus,Revan and Ren all wear armor even tho their fashion choices aren't necessary like Vaders life support armor.
In Kylo Ren's case, it's because he wanted to look like grandpappy Vader. In the case of Vader, his choice of apparel probably wouldn't have differed too greatly from what he was wearing before he was put in the suit. Maybe something a little more ostentatious since he represented the Will of the Emperor/Empire, but nothing so immobilizing as the armor and respirator. He took pride in his fighting ability before, and I don't see him CHOOSING to make it strenuous.
ikr, I wish he never got burned lol, like when he was killing and with the orange sith eyes it looked so cool! (But yk the original trilogy came first)
For what? Remember that the galactic senate voted for palatine, he was popular in the galactic empire. In the public opinion it was the Jedi, who betrayed the Republic. So look at what Anakin did up to this point: He killed the Jedi who rebelled against the elected government, and he killed the Separatist leaders who waged war. Remember that it is the winners who write history.
Nikolai4567 He also murdered children and marched an oppressive Clone Trooper army through the streets of Coruscant. People would have definately known who he was and that he was responsible for the collapsation of the Republic
He marched the Grand Army of the Republic (the army of freedom not of oppression), through the streets of Coruscant in order to destroy the Jedi who wanted to overthrow the elected government. And it was not public knowledge that he killed the young-lings, that could have easily be covered up.
@@Snake-uu4yk I would imagine something else. Palpatine wouldn't have use force lightning (he mostly did it to show anakin the power of the dark side) so windu arrests him, and then Palpatine tries to convince the senate that the jedi attacked him and that they are the one to blame
Actually the problem was that when he burned chemicals from the soil his clothing and million other factors got into his blood killing his midichlorians so while anakin burned he could feel how he was loosing his blood
Plus vader never upgraded his suit as it fed into his hatred but now as the only annoying thing would be his cybernetics I don't see that angering him so much and he would see it as more annoying than practical so he most likely would have upgraded then in secret
Also he would definitely be tried for crimes against mankind for taking part in genocide. As well as war crimes during the civil war. Definitely would be executed if caught.
Antonio Stars I mean they have probably could, but Palpatine being the dick he is, put in budgetary limits on how much could be used to repair Vader. I wish I was kidding with that last part.but that did happen.
If palpatine wanted to spare no expense he could have made vader VERy close to how he was before with cloning, stem cells and top of the line cybernetics like the ones grevious had. Instead he gave him a totally obsolete Suit to make sure he never could overthrow him. On the other hand the suits uncomfortability and pain helped Vader become very powerful because physical and mental pain are useful ways to harness the dark side
I mean. He started being Darth Vader when he took the name way before he had the fight with Obi. When he choked Padme, he was Vader, when he fought Obi, he was Vader, he was no longer Anakin
Yea I agree the moment he knelt in front of sidious he was literally no longer anakin. Right after he caused the death of mace there was a moment when he said "what have I done" and then after pleading for sidious to help him save padme, vader took control, he still had anakin's face but anakin's personality had retreated deep into the subconscious. So Vader was the one who attacked the jedi temple, vader was the one who killed the younglings, vader was the one who force choked padme, and vader was the one who fought and lost to Obi-Wan.
Let's not forget, it's the pain that kept Vader going. The constant agony of his past, the pain of his suit and his disgusting broken body, that fueled his hatred of himself. And through this hatred, he was the dark side. You take away the pain, the agony, the suffering... there's nothing left to fuel his hate. And it's hate that gave him his power.
I think it’s a good concept, but the only reason they are, is because that What If is an actual comic book series that explore possible questions that could effect the timeline.The show is based off that comic book series.The Star Wars version would be cool,but Disney most likely wouldn’t go for it.
Can't say I understand or approve how they treat Darth Vader. I mean wtf outdated tech, and knowingly letting him feel constant pain? Emperor really biggest sob.
One thing you are forgetting. While Force users might be okay with the whole redemption story, I don't think the trillions of other beings traumatized by Anakin's rampages would be so forgiving. He would still be responsible for the death of MILLIONS if not more. People would still want justice. This need for justice was the most pressing reason people joined the rebellion in the first place. I doubt they would just en masse say, "Oh, so he changed sides? He's no longer evil? Well, I guess I can forget about my family he had killed then. Sweet".
Cmoth040 exactly as Darth Vader he shed way too much blood. killing the Jedi, murdering children, destroying planets, oh yeah wife beating etc no he would have to stand trial for high treason. Or he goes light but have to live in seclusion until his death.
well, in that case anakin is unstoppable. thanks to plaguis he is the one who have the most capable force user. Without any blocks, he should be even more stronger than Darth Plagius.
Just imagine Vader if he was not burned he would be dead silent. He just casually walks into a room of people and everyone is scared to make a sound because they knew the immense power he possesed. And he would just force choke anyone that started talking, i think people would be even more scared of him.
@@shanejones7391 "As defence arguments go, 'I died twice and wasn't the same man in between deaths as I am now, which is the same man I was before I died the first time' is very weak, Mr Vader or Skywalker or whatever you're calling yourself today."
Probably the Rebel Alliance would have lost the Galactic Civil War, since notwithstanding the HUGE resource sink that the Death Star represented, Alderaan's destruction inspired numerous systems to join the Alliance, giving them manpower they never would've otherwise had.
Without building the Death Star the Empire could have build thousands of Star Destroyers making the Empire's grip on the Galaxy tighter, the Empire just needs a few of them to completely scorch a planet's surface and the husk would have been a more intimidating reminder of the Empires's power than an asteroid field.
Also would Obi-Wan really have stood any chance on the death star? I feel like Anakin could have been much more powerful without the suit & more capable of more destruction
@@TTTTCJGKS if he wasn't burned then yes, but remember the suit was designed to limited him, Vader would probably have a chance as the suit could survive lightsaber attack, but Kenobi also could win as he has more mobility than Vader
If Lt. Zogg (also James Earl Jones) can destroy the world in two hours, Vader (assuming he either beats Obi-wan or doesn't burn) could lay Sidious to waste in about 15 minutes.
True but isn't it known that anyone that Has a purple lightsaber was someone who started to go down the dark path but got off nd came to light again Mace Windu is an example of someone escaping the dark sides temptation
Maybe so who caused this ? The Jedi if they wouldn't have treated anikan the way they did it would of never happened it's their faults I feel for anikan they destroyed him
xYuXDOOMFXuYx that’s not what he meant exactly he meant that you will stay with those memories and they will either haunt you or make you different. I think so at least lol if not please prove me wrong (not being sarcastic)
@@tokkirae6157 You're not wrong. Yoda was pointing out how strong the Dark Side has a hold on you, that and it will darken you, twist you. Which it did for Anakin. Short of family redeeming him.
What I don't get is....How come with all of Vader's free time, he never tried to search for people capable to changing his suit into something else to counter Palps?
I thought it was mildly implied Obi-wan was essentially on even terms in the fight. That him accepting death peacefully was so he might become a force ghost.
But. If he didn't die. Luke wouldn't have gotten instructions to turn off his targetting computer and wouldn't have done been able to hit the vent port. Nor the instructions to go to Dagobah.
Nate L thanks for the good answer, I was thinking though, if obi wan beat (killed) vader there on the DS I wonder what that would change. Much I think, I bet tarkin would be demoralized (no telling what palps would do, but itd be bad). But I don't think obi wan would have to tell him via the force, he could use a comm from Yavin.
"What if Darth Vader Never Burned?" Pretty sure that Obi Wan would have just finished him off on Mustafar. The reasons he didnt is that he was horrified at seeing Anakins immolation, and that he thought that Anakin was almost certainly going to die from the injuries.
Exactly. Anikin's burns saved him from being finished off by Obi Wan. When Obi learned Vader was still alive in some canteen on Tatooine he nearly crapped his pants. He wasn't expecting him to live.
It's the jedi's code to not attack anyone unarmed. Anakin wasn't a threat anymore to Obi-Wan and the battle was done for. Even if he didn't burn it would be against the Jedi code to just kill him off.
Obi-Wan was REALLY strict to the code. Unless the enemy was still a threat. But Anakin lost his limbs and was no threat anymore. IT would be against the Jedi code to kill Anakin.
To everyone saying. "Yeah but Obi Wan wouldnt hurt someone who was defenceless..." I am pretty sure if that Anakin didnt catch fire, and was just uncomfortably lying there, that Obi Wan would come to the conclusion that he could recouperate and continue to be a threat / menace to the entire galaxy. I mean run through the logic; -> Anakin is a dark lord of the sith -> He has no arms or legs but is otherwise fine and healthy... and the tech exists to give him mechanical limbs -> Most powerful force user of all time -> Just slaughtered thousands of his Jedi colleagues, murdered younglings, choked his pregnant wife and had a good old rant about ruling an empire. ... best just leave him there(!).
What if he never was injured at all? The Jedi wouldn’t accept him and neither would the the Empire because Palpatine would be too afraid of his power to overtake him, which might cause them to hunt him and he’d just be on the run, all the time.
Nah palpatine would still keep him as an apprentice. Palpatine wanted Vader to surpass him and was incredibly surprised that Vader never once tried to overthrow him
“Palpatine was surprised that Vader never once tried to overtake him” You just tried to dispute my statement by supporting it. Palpatine feared that Vader would overtake him so if Anakin was never injured on Mustafar, Palpatine wouldn’t have taken him in. The only reason Palptine made Anakin the now-known Vader is because he made him weak! Yet with enough power to support the empire; Vader’s suit was heavy, limited force abilities, limited his breathing and was very vulnerable to force lightening so if he ever tries to overtake Palpi he gets a zappi ⚡️
Todoroki Touya yeah, but a problem is how palpatine was incredibly disappointed with Vader after he got burned and stopped treating him like the loved apprentice that he was earlier.
Todoroki Touya in legends he was just a tool for the empire, sent on suicide missions till the emperor eventually found a worthy apprentice. In the canon Vader comics, palpatine admitted that he had people training to replace Vader. Especially after Vader failed to save the original Death Star.
Hey just wanted to clarify, my understanding was that the reason for Anakin's reduced Force connection was the lose of so much of his living tissue because of the burns (I.E dead skin tissue). I only say this because you make it sound like him losing his limbs were the main cause, which not to downplay that or anything, just makes it sound a bit off. No disrespect, I love your videos in fact, I just wanted to say something.
Yes mother minute he lost his limbs his connection to the force was severed burns or not. However he could have cloned his limbs or been cybernetics like grevious had That were so advanced they could match the speed of a force user but palpatine would never have allowed it
do what if darth vader captured Luke in episode 5 on cloud city and took him to the emperor. i think that would be a great vid. edit: episode 5, not 4 (thx for poiting it out, small typo)
Kevin Gareau *The details about his suit are no longer canon. Just look at the bacta tank scene in Rogue One. Vader can be removed from his suit, unlike in legends where it was like a prison. Did his injuries hinder his potential? Of course, but the idea that his pain/discomfort was "punishment" by Sidious is just silly. If that was true I can't imagine Vader just rolling over and being like, "yeah I f#%^ up so I'll keep this horrible suit to remind me of my failure forever."*
you could make a uncomfortable suit with higher strength too. Like general grievious with waaay more power. Vaders suffering was more psychical not physical anyway
I don’t buy that at all. He would for sure be tried and executed By the rebellion. If mon mothma granted him clemency How could she explain “oh he turned good” to all the people in the galaxy who suffered by his hand
It's my obsession to see a Star Wars "What If" series in which Darth Vader never burns on Mustafar. His former identity as Anakin Skywalker being known across the entire galaxy, and how some iconic scenes would have played out, such as when he meets and kills Obi-Wan in the Death Star, or when he tells Luke he's his father, and also the famous Rogue One hallway scene. Since he wouldn't be wearing the suit and mask, we'd be able to see his face and expression of hate and anger. We tend to think of Vader as a different character to Anakin (even though we know they're the same person), but having Vader with Anakin's face would be so impactful because we'd be shocked to see the change from Anakin's happy smiley face when he was with Padme and Obi-Wan to Vader's angry evil twisted face when he is working for the Empire. In the original timeline all we see is a mask, so we can't see the emotions on Vader's face. And Hayden Christensen is a great actor. He did a superb job in Episode III, but we see very little of Vader before he burns. I think fans deserve more of that. If I were Disney, I'd seriously consider making a What If series about this and hire Christensen. And I'd go for the scenario where Vader ends up overthrowing the Emperor, but only by the time Luke is an adult and Vader has already offered him to rule the galaxy together as father and son. Till then, I wouldn't change much of the timeline. Anyway, I love your videos. I really like how you empathize with Anakin/Vader instead of judging him like others do. I can totally relate to him. He's one of my favorite characters ever.
The biggest difference, I think, would be Vader's self-image. He would still see it as possible to live some kind of real LIFE. Yes, he would have cybernetic limbs but those could be concealed with clothing or upgraded to look more human. He would still fundamentally be a handsome, vital young man. Yes, he would mourn Padme and his children, but he would probably over time move on, and consider finding love again something that was possible for him. This would be a Vader who could drink and fuck and generally enjoy the perks of being the second most powerful man in the galaxy. In short, he would have less reason to be a singleminded obsessive who only cared about revenge and power. And with those options open to him, he wouldn't have the same mental blocks limiting his potential, the same incurable self-hatred. He'd have killed Palpatine and become Emperor years ago.
1:38 But I thought the reason padme was slowly dying despite the odds was because of the sith magic Palpatine used to heal Vader back from the brink of death just enough to still survive, but not enough to return to his full strength? Perhaps due to him not developing these injuries in his fight with Obi-Wan, perhaps Padme never died, and simply raised the Luke and Leia on her planet, with the help of nanny droids and any surviving family members?
I'm two years late to this discussion. There are two points I can think of where things could have gone differently when Obi Wan learned the truth: 1. The initial landing on Mustafar. Obi Wan could have convinced Anakin to come back with Padme and his soon to be born children. Anakin wanted power to right the wrongs he saw, but the other half of that equation was protecting Padme and his children. 2. After severing his limbs Obi Wan could have taken a helpless Anakin back to the ship and convinced Anakin to come back and be with Padme and his soon to be born children. He'd be in a wheelchair next to Padme seeing his children's birth, and might have forgiven a contrite Anakin. What Anakin would have done is debatable. What would his mood be after being reunited with Padme and his children? Would he proceed with his plan for galactic domination, or would he have turned back, rested to regain his strength and obtain better cybernetics to face the Emperor?
I do believe that Obi-Wan failed for Anakin . He coude convinces him , it's a deleted scene where Anakin is literally begging help , end Obi-Wan is turning his back . Luke said : Help me dad , end finally, they were both saved . End after Obi-Wan left Anakin burning , his eyes turn in red from blue . Every one failed Anakin , when he needs them . The idea that you can't be saved or giving a second chance its a big problem of the Jedi council. Sorry for my bad english.
i think that (theoretically along with this video) luke and anakin’s new jedi order would have focused more on acknowledging your emotions, rather than bury them deep. to think about what they meant and how to calm yourself and focus on the task at hand. all this being because anakin would have realized why he turned to the dark side (i think it was bc of his built up emotional trauma and damages and obi-wan having him bury them)
Hey my friends! I really wanted to make this video at your request. I still wish if he didn't burn then we would get an over powered Anakin...however to keep it realistic, I don't think we would get all that much of a difference other than the events that I mentioned which mainly take place at the end. What do you think would have happened? How would you have it written? Thanks for watching and enjoy your day!
Star Wars Theory what if emperor killed darth Vader in ROTJ
Star Wars Theory can you do a video on if darth Vader never choked padamai and sh serviced
What if the Younglings killed Anakin???
Star Wars Theory , he would probably wear a mask, similar to Kylo Rens. just to hide his identity and for intimidation
Why would he need a suit if he didn't get burned
If Vader never burned, way less merchandise would have been sold.
I agree, that battle gave a great boost to the economy.
AudioAndroid it didn’t though. When he was designed that battle had not been thought of. And merchandise from a single character has basically no impact on the economy as a whole so your comment is just kind of fucking stupid.
Vader's suit is iconic, it's part of the reason why Star Wars blew up to begin with.
Matthew Crane it was a god damn joke calm the fuck down
Someone has a dick in their ass
Darth Vader has PTSD panic attacks when the kids play "The Floor is Lava."
XD
That is dark. But my question is, what would he do with the floor? Would he Jedi hop? Or would he just dismantle it?
So THAT's what happened to the younglings...
(I know he didnt burn before he killed the younglings)
Wouldn't he just kill then?
I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND NOW DAD
Luke: „how did my father die?“
ObiWan: „he had the lower ground“
I want to like this comment but it has the perfect number
lucas wade you can like it now, it has 118
He didn't have the high ground
He did, yes he did
That idiot had to jump OVER me with a fucking frontflip....that's why.
Anakin turned into the dark side because Palpatine offered him the coolest theme song in the galaxy
Xd
Well you are right
It do be true.
True ObiWan wouldn’t have u could tell lol
😂😂😂😂
What if Anakin never burned: He would have Hair
There could be a slow motion, backlit scene where he takes his helmet off and shakes free luxurious locks of hair, like a Silvikrin advert.
Girls would be happy
@@zacmumblethunder7466 yeah, that would be fucking cool
I never thought even know that’s simple.
he would probably have hair and his skin
What if stormtroopers had good aim?
Lol
Everyone died the end :)
Laser tag would be more fun
@@CamRayGames yes It would
Would like to see stormtroopers vs Cobra and see who has better aim.
Vader: “I’m a good guy now!”
Republic: “But Vader murdered children!?”
Vader: “Fake news!”
Lol
But not just the children. Don´t forget the women.
@@umbrelias7619 vader: whaaaa, who told you that😗
he would quickly point to kenobi and barisma
That's not funny 😡
Idk Anakin was pretty intimidating whenever he taped into the dark side in the clone wars , with his emotions on full display I feel he could be just as threatening
I think it would be cool if he still wore a black lightly armoured suit with one of those masks that cover the bottom half of his face, so it will protect his identity but you can still see his eyes which, I think, are the most intimidating part of his face when he taps into the darkside.
@@mish2637 idk if he would want to protect his identity, though, because Palpatine’s original plan was for Anakin Skywalkwer to be at his side as a tool to help the takeover flow better and to help people to fall in line during the big transition from “Republic” to “Empire”. He knew he had to play that move very carefully. That’s why he spent all that time building Anakin up as a hero during the Clone Wars, and even then he manipulated situations to keep Anakin out of danger and had him be in right place at the right time to build him up to be the “ultimate hero” (since Palpatine essentially controlled both sides of the Clone Wars, he knew when to place Anakin where at any given time to have the best results. He helped make Anakin a celebrity that the people loved, and when he turned him, he was going to cash in on that and take advantage of his celebrity and hero status with the people to rally them behind the Empire. He could have eventually worn a mask but I don’t think Sidious would have wanted that.
Sidious had to create a last minute plan B when Obi-wan defeated Anakin on Mustafar. With the chosen one broken and more machine then man, he has to switch up his tactics. He originally planned on using the Anakin’s hero status to rally the people and I’m not exactly sure if he was planning on having their identity as Sith Lords be out in the open, but I think he might have taken that step, had Anakin not burned. Idk about that part, though, I’m only speculating there. I do know he was going to use the hero worship and the people’s love of Anakin as a tool and had to settle for using “fear” instead. Palpatine was a psychopath, but he was brilliant, and he knew what a gift he had with the chosen one by his side. I know people would have gradually come to fear Vader more and more everyday, but Palpatine’s preference was for the chosen one, the People’s hero, to be standing by his side when he addressed the senate and the galaxy during the big transition. He planned on having Anakin “reluctantly” speak against the Jedi..that’s why Palps tried to hype Anakin up so much among the people and downplay the other Jedi. There is a reason Palps built him up as the ultimate hero of the people.
I LOVE Palpatine...I think he is brilliant, cunning, patient, and the greatest villain in the history of
villains. I don’t think he gets enough credit for his brilliancy. JMO 🤷🏼♀️
They touch on some of this in the RoTS novelization, if I remember correctly, and there is an awesome TH-cam video on this very topic but I don’t remember who made it. Maybe the Lore Master.
@@sarahkatherine8303 Yea that's true, I didn't really think about that. I just think he would look more intimidating with some type of mask that's all
@@mish2637one way it could work Is that the debris’s of mustafar affected his breathing & burned some parts of his face
So actually... quite ironic.
If *S A N D* would have not been so slippery, he would have been abled to keep his skin.
Obi wan might have killed him, he only didn't because he was sure Anakin would die promptly with all those severe burns.
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@@thealmightyloaf2771 yes
I love *S A N D* memes
“It gets everywhere”
Why did the star wars movies come out in the order: 4, 5, 6 - 1, 2, 3?
In charge of the order, Yoda was
Ann Bell ahhh 🧐
because lucas had such big plans on the movies but not enough technology to make the movies
Underrated comment right here
Ha good one
George Lucas thought a new hope would get more people in to star wars then phantom menace
Can you imagine how powerful Vader would have been if Tony Stark had designed and built his suit?
This evil, badass, intimidating monster put inside a heroic looking metal suit with JARVIS inside to annoy the shit out of Vader. Funny.
He could have had nano technology
oh please don't give disney such ideas :D
igitwams I mean tbf, and this is canon I’m pretty sure, the emperor had a suit designed to allow Anakin to fully live to his potential but decided not to out of fear that Anakin wouldn’t turn again and destroy him
It's nanotech you like it?
What if Palpatine brushed his teeth
Best comment I have read in a long time. LMAO. Thank you so much.
Then he could have heirs that he didnt have to get an apprentice
OOF
more like if Maul brushed his teeth
Why does he need to brush his teeth? I mean they are beautifully yellow don't get any better then that
Luke: how did my father die
Obi wan: let’s just say he wasn’t good at the floor is lava
GRIN
Lol
Obi wan: he didn’t have the high ground
Amazing
*Luke:* how did my father die
*Obi Wan Kenobi:* You know that thing they call lava? Well don't try swimming in it brother, cos man is it painful. When you don't have the high ground, it stings like a bitch! You also burn up like a crisp if you make it to land too.
He missed out on the chance to gain +50 speed +75 attack and +45 defense through the power of the high ground
What if Quin Gonn chopped off Jar Jars tongue.
Harrison Hatton, everyone would be relieved.
People would watch the prequels and the galaxy would be safe
Harrison Hatton The prequel plot wouldn't have happened. Take a moment to actually digest how stupid yet true it is
yeah cuz jar jar would fuck him up
If Qui Gonn had cut off Jar Jar's tongue, he would have talked with a speech impediment, but otherwise little difference. Now if Qui Gonn cut off Jar Jar's head, there would have been a disturbance in the force, like millions of voices sighing in relief, yelling in victory, and high-fiving each other. Also, people wouldn't hate the prequels and 20th Century Fox, George Lucas, and now Disney would no longer have to pretend that the prequels don't exist.
Palpatine ship lands on Mustafar
Palpatine: He’s still alive and not burned...”
*Force pushes*
Palpatine: whoops I may have set you on fire lord Vader
@LIAM KLINGLER this is a joke if The Emperor force pushed him in the lava because he wasn’t burned! gees
anikin: I HATE YOU!!!
Doesn’t even need to push him in the lava. Palpatine could have Force levitated some lava from the river and dropped it on Anakin. “Oh, Anakin, that lava spout was so unfortunate, but don’t worry, everything will be alright!”.
All Different Timelines had Anakin burnt
Pushed him too far and died in the lava
5:30 I love how in everyone's retelling of this story Vader is never charged for intergalactic war crimes 😂 💘
Oh yeah
RIGHT. Dude easily killed hundreds of men, women and children with his own hands over the years. Majority because he FELT like it. Killing Jedi was his pastime, not his actual mission.
Yeah but it would have fun watching that
What if sandpeople didn't walk single file to hide their numbers.
we need to make this top comment
Then the sand people would rule the galaxy
@@alexmentink8567 I thought I saw a few sand people today,, they sure weren't walking single file to hide their numbers.
What if sand people used belt feed machine guns and mini guns instead of regular rifles.
@@zerog5109 cause they scare to easy, the machine guns would make them run away, but they'd be back, and in greater numbers.
You mean both times he got burned, right? Because even I felt the burn when our boi was laying down the moves and Padme said "Ani, you'll always be that little boy I knew on Tatooine."
StopAndListen "I don't care what Galaxy you're from, that's gotta hurt!"
Yet somehow he says “I don’t like sand” and she marries him
B o i
That's all he could think about when he was force fucking her and making a baby
@@heisenberg970 yes lol
I think vader still would've worn a helmet as he'd likely hate his own face as a constant reminder of anakin, as well as to keep his identity from the public. Though, the public seeing the poster boy of the jedi academy now being devoted to the emperor might get more people on board with the empire from the begining
Silvaten or a face mask or something like that
Yeah just like kylo ren did
Imagine Anakin wearing a black version of an early clone trooper helmet (not the later stormtrooper helmet). Along with a black version of the Jedi armour that Obi-Wan wore in the Clone Wars animated series, and a black cloak. That would be quite a cool look.
@@timonsolus I think he should dress as the chunky cheese rat it is scary
The thing you have to take into account is, the Empire..technically was still the republic. When Rome transitioned from a republic to principate It's not like your typical Roman felt they were under some new power. Only the senate really experienced a change here as they no longer had any "real" power.
The reality is, under the empire...most people's lives WITHIN the republic now empire probably didn't change at all.
I never understood why palpatine didn't just use the cloning facility on kamino and grow vader a new set of Lungs and limbs, using Vaders DNA. he may not have been as powerful as before but possibly more powerful than with the suit
he was offered a suit upgrade but it was declined by vader. In the end vader and plaptine both didnt want to give him new lungs and a suit. the suit caused his dark side powers to be stronger and his burns and his body fueled him with hatered to obi wan. If he were to get new everything he would slowely forget all that obi wan did and thus not have a person to hate. He would then become weaker and maybe transfer to the light side
@@sidd_b2 seems like a stretch i don't think he would forget especially still seeing his face after he took off the suit
@@stephenheinrich6385 maybe but it would lower is ability with the dark side
he wanted him to be in agony to strengthen him in the dark side
The Suit Vader wore would poke and prod him, causing pain which in turn brought about Anger- The Source of Power for The Sith. The Suit would inject small doses of Pain Medication to make Him more Comfortable, but (I think) Palpatine disabled it to inflict Pain to make Vader Stronger. Nothing like a Big Man in a Black Suit Whom is Pissed at the World while going through a Roid Rage from Being Forced to go through Withdrawls.
The senate: execute order 66
Cody:No
Directed and witen by george lucas
Cody: My troops need a break from blasting droids. Can we do it tomorrow?
I want to like it but it has the perfect amount of likes.
Execute order 66
Cody: ok but first a word from our sponser, raid shadow legends
They can’t say no.
They have an inhibitor chip
@@themythicwaffle it's a joke
my left ear enjoyed 0:00 - 0:09 very much
i heard it with both ears...
I only had my right earbud in so I didn't hear anything
I thought one of my speakers was blown lol. I was trippin
@@prestonschultz3076 I thought my right head set was broken
I thought it was just me.
the high ground jokes wouldn't be as funny
ahahha
But it's true do
ANAKIN!!! I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!!!
Anakin : You motherfu- *BOOOOOOOOM*
Like it's funny even now :\
They’re not funny anyways...😑
Luke: was my mom hot
Obi-Wan:yes but not as hot as your father litrelly he was on fire
Lol
Lol
lol underrated
Both anakin and kenobi was known for their burns.
Though their different types.
Ty for the likes
I got a theory for you, what if Luke never went to cloud city
Yes! This! Everybody upvote this.
Yeah man
The GooseHunter Plays he wouldn't have lost his hand and completed his training and leia Chewie and Landon would have escaped just the same because Luke coming to save them did nothing to help them as he didn't even make real contact with them.
Yes!
@starwarstheory
When Anikin’s force ghost came that had to be the best part of the whole movie series!
And not on the original
@@LAVIN20 the original isn't canonical.
No his force ghost should of been of how he died not how he was when he was yonger
Its Anakin fcking dumbass so much idiots spell his name like Anikin
dean lewis Only Jedi get force ghost, so his force ghost is how he was as a Jedi, not how he died
Damn when you hear James Earl Jones say that line "but you are not a Jedi yet." and you FEEL the nostalgia and the perfection of that line delivery....man how lucky are we, eh?
*When Vader says: “Young Skywalker” I’m like “That means you is Old Skywalker”*
I think he is mocking luke because luke got told vader killed his papa
Darth Vader has PTSD panic attacks when the kids play "The Floor is Lava."
@@chrispham2731 bruh you just copy pasted the most liked comment
"I'm like" ofc you say that, dumbass aesthetic roblox bitch. Just say "me:" instead of saying "I'm like" dumbass.
Or just normal skywalker
Most likely the strongest Sith Lord ever, and I would think Palpatine knew it. He keep Vader as weak as he needed him to be.
Please do what would happen if Obi Wan took burned Anakin with him and if he could ever forgive him
If Vader never burned or lost his limbs he wouldve been the strongest sith
Even if he still lost his limbs he'd be the most powerful.
fax
But still no match for The High Ground.
@@darthkenobi6726 I haven’t seen you for awhile Kenobi
i literally thought that he just wouldn't wear a helmet.
there is no reason to wear a helmet and their is no reason not to, he would not have need of all the additional life support functions to his suit how ever and he could have more time to develop his limbs to his specifications. it was no longer a rush to get him medical treatment.
Timm Blue he wouldmost likely do what Revan or Kylo ren did
wear a hooded Battle mask or Helmet
because Vaders armor was also made for the fear factor same way Nihlus,Revan and Ren all wear armor even tho their fashion choices aren't necessary like Vaders life support armor.
Timm Blue Hey would probably just wear black boots and a scary mask, keep his troops in line.
In Kylo Ren's case, it's because he wanted to look like grandpappy Vader.
In the case of Vader, his choice of apparel probably wouldn't have differed too greatly from what he was wearing before he was put in the suit. Maybe something a little more ostentatious since he represented the Will of the Emperor/Empire, but nothing so immobilizing as the armor and respirator. He took pride in his fighting ability before, and I don't see him CHOOSING to make it strenuous.
Nihilus needed his mask and robe.
Clone wars reference Darth Vader:Now I Am the master. Obi wan:A master of getting caught. Vader:Very funny.
Ha
Don't worry my dude I'm still alive
Yay
Thank god 😅
Yay
BOOO
Thank god
Who else wants to see Anakin with missing limbs but still the Handsome Dreamy Jedi with Brown Hair?
Ah, so like Anakin with his arms and legs prosthetic but he still has his human look?
ikr, I wish he never got burned lol, like when he was killing and with the orange sith eyes it looked so cool! (But yk the original trilogy came first)
Me
Padme would like to know your loacation
@@elincyt3590 😂
5:36 There is absolutely no way he would have been accepted and forgiven by the galaxy. He would be treated as a war criminal.
For what? Remember that the galactic senate voted for palatine, he was popular in the galactic empire. In the public opinion it was the Jedi, who betrayed the Republic. So look at what Anakin did up to this point: He killed the Jedi who rebelled against the elected government, and he killed the Separatist leaders who waged war. Remember that it is the winners who write history.
Nikolai4567 He also murdered children and marched an oppressive Clone Trooper army through the streets of Coruscant. People would have definately known who he was and that he was responsible for the collapsation of the Republic
He marched the Grand Army of the Republic (the army of freedom not of oppression), through the streets of Coruscant in order to destroy the Jedi who wanted to overthrow the elected government. And it was not public knowledge that he killed the young-lings, that could have easily be covered up.
Nikolai4567 It was after Obi Wan put out an APB to the entire galaxy
They could have just said it was fake news that was put together by their political opponents
What if Anakin never interfered with Mace Windu battling against the sith
Good question!
The emperor died.
@@Snake-uu4yk I would imagine something else. Palpatine wouldn't have use force lightning (he mostly did it to show anakin the power of the dark side) so windu arrests him, and then Palpatine tries to convince the senate that the jedi attacked him and that they are the one to blame
Windu would die by Sidious hand
Would that 80% be higher now that Vader had more of his organic tissue?
DahLekKnight Technically yah and he'd probably me much more efficient and his cybernetic s wouldn't be as painful.
I would think so yes
Actually the problem was that when he burned chemicals from the soil his clothing and million other factors got into his blood killing his midichlorians so while anakin burned he could feel how he was loosing his blood
He'd also have whole lungs which means far greater stamina.
Plus vader never upgraded his suit as it fed into his hatred but now as the only annoying thing would be his cybernetics I don't see that angering him so much and he would see it as more annoying than practical so he most likely would have upgraded then in secret
I think seeing people being force chocked by a yellow eyed Anakin would be terrifying enough
So they're going to forget about the little kids he slaughtered and just let him?....
Yea its Anakin bitch what you gonna do?
He did kill the emperor.
Technically nobody saw that & the records of the Jedi's deaths were all made into propaganda
Ye
Also he would definitely be tried for crimes against mankind for taking part in genocide. As well as war crimes during the civil war. Definitely would be executed if caught.
They could make robots and spaceships and replace any limb but no lung transplant ?
Antonio Stars I mean they have probably could, but Palpatine being the dick he is, put in budgetary limits on how much could be used to repair Vader. I wish I was kidding with that last part.but that did happen.
@@gabrieloviedo9265 the suit is outdated. To make Vader weaker than Palpatine, so he wouldn't have to worry about Vader turning against him
@@CodyDeadInside nothing prevented Vader to upgrade it during one of his numerous missions far away from Palpatine
If palpatine wanted to spare no expense he could have made vader VERy close to how he was before with cloning, stem cells and top of the line cybernetics like the ones grevious had. Instead he gave him a totally obsolete Suit to make sure he never could overthrow him. On the other hand the suits uncomfortability and pain helped Vader become very powerful because physical and mental pain are useful ways to harness the dark side
One word: Modiclorians
I mean. He started being Darth Vader when he took the name way before he had the fight with Obi. When he choked Padme, he was Vader, when he fought Obi, he was Vader, he was no longer Anakin
Yea I agree the moment he knelt in front of sidious he was literally no longer anakin. Right after he caused the death of mace there was a moment when he said "what have I done" and then after pleading for sidious to help him save padme, vader took control, he still had anakin's face but anakin's personality had retreated deep into the subconscious. So Vader was the one who attacked the jedi temple, vader was the one who killed the younglings, vader was the one who force choked padme, and vader was the one who fought and lost to Obi-Wan.
Meanwhile in alternate timeline:
Obi Wan:"It's over Anakin! I have the high ground"
Vader:"Tf is Anakin, i'm Vader"
Yep and before the suit he killed Younglings he was already ruthless
Let's not forget, it's the pain that kept Vader going. The constant agony of his past, the pain of his suit and his disgusting broken body, that fueled his hatred of himself. And through this hatred, he was the dark side. You take away the pain, the agony, the suffering... there's nothing left to fuel his hate. And it's hate that gave him his power.
Well you're wrong, he'd still be fueled by hate after what happened to Padme and the knowledge of the things he did.
What if Obi-Wan bought the death sticks?
Already been done.
By someone else, though.
Glao Jingwiwuttanapond up
Releasethezazen 😂😂😂
Nigga woulda been fuckeddd upp
What if padme didnt lose the will to live?
I don't think she lost the will, I think somehow Palpatine used the force to kill her.
Michael she did lose the will to live. Nobody killed her.
MH3UME3MP false. She lost the will to live.
Maybe since she had two skywalkers in her after she gave birth, she somehow manipulated the force to kill her off?
It was Vader who killed her.. He drained her to live on accident.
What if Luke knew leia was his sister when they kissed
ItsSilo it’s not cannon that he didn’t know 🤷🏻♂️
Leia knew as she told Luke in ROTJ
Then it would have started "A long time ago, in a holler dark far away
ItsSilo SWEET HOME ALABAMA
It would be on porntube
I think it’s so selfish that Palpatine gave him the worst Cybernetics
i mean the pain off the suit and its cons helped channel him more so
What if Anakin hadn't jumped but decided to live to fight another day?
Erdrick Ortega you mean that he would escape with the platform
He'd be caught and executed would also blabbermouth on Plapie (Palpatine)
Hey there why did I read that as "obese rage"
What if anikan's mom never died?? That'd be a good video
Holy shit! That's a main reason why he turned bc of his mother
Who the fuck is anikan?
What if anakin pulled out
Steve Edwards it isnt that simple
MARTHA!!
They need to make a what if series on disney+ for star wars like they’re doing for the MCU
Yes
Most def
I think it’s a good concept, but the only reason they are, is because that What If is an actual comic book series that explore possible questions that could effect the timeline.The show is based off that comic book series.The Star Wars version would be cool,but Disney most likely wouldn’t go for it.
Nobody like until we have a new important number in star wars
They should
I think when episode IX came Vader would say to Rey “Let me kill Palpatien a second time”
No he would have killed her once she took the name of Skywalker
@@kingkidtmgaming yeah Rey isn’t a skywalker she would’ve been defeated real fast
He wouldn't even need a suit just proshetics
gary corr Nope
gary corr not how it works
But we have to admit, the suit is awesome!
Like maul
but instead he has proshitics
Can't say I understand or approve how they treat Darth Vader. I mean wtf outdated tech, and knowingly letting him feel constant pain? Emperor really biggest sob.
The pain was apparently to help fuel his dark side power, correct me if I'm wrong, though. I'm not 100% sure about that
detroman357 you’re correct. The pain was to make him stronger.
detroman357 it was also to weaken him so he couldn’t overthrow palpatine, since sith lightning would (and did) kill him
@@powerrangerturbo1 think he voluntarily wanted to feel pain also. .
It would make him mentally much much stronger. A form of meditation.
One thing you are forgetting. While Force users might be okay with the whole redemption story, I don't think the trillions of other beings traumatized by Anakin's rampages would be so forgiving. He would still be responsible for the death of MILLIONS if not more. People would still want justice. This need for justice was the most pressing reason people joined the rebellion in the first place. I doubt they would just en masse say, "Oh, so he changed sides? He's no longer evil? Well, I guess I can forget about my family he had killed then. Sweet".
Cmoth040 exactly as Darth Vader he shed way too much blood. killing the Jedi, murdering children, destroying planets, oh yeah wife beating etc no he would have to stand trial for high treason. Or he goes light but have to live in seclusion until his death.
well, in that case anakin is unstoppable. thanks to plaguis he is the one who have the most capable force user. Without any blocks, he should be even more stronger than Darth Plagius.
Jaky Jones Pelagius was NOT the most powerful force user to have existed. Are you forgetting Nihilus? He literally ate a planet..
i didnt say he is the most powerful but he was controlling ''mitocondrias xD'' so he created a god.
Jaky Jones do you mean Midichlorians?
Just imagine Vader if he was not burned he would be dead silent. He just casually walks into a room of people and everyone is scared to make a sound because they knew the immense power he possesed. And he would just force choke anyone that started talking, i think people would be even more scared of him.
I believe that Anakin would be executed if he came back with Luke
Yeah. Everyone isn't going to just forget war crimes and slaughter.
Just lie and say Palpatine was using Mind Control
Let's see them try
@@shanejones7391 "As defence arguments go, 'I died twice and wasn't the same man in between deaths as I am now, which is the same man I was before I died the first time' is very weak, Mr Vader or Skywalker or whatever you're calling yourself today."
@@jamainegardner4193 i mean technically he was twisting anakins mind so thats a valid argument
What if the Death Star was never built?
Probably the Rebel Alliance would have lost the Galactic Civil War, since notwithstanding the HUGE resource sink that the Death Star represented, Alderaan's destruction inspired numerous systems to join the Alliance, giving them manpower they never would've otherwise had.
+Issac Aguero The senate still exists even after Alderaan is destroyed. He rules the empire until Vader throws him down the shaft.
But Palpatine IS the senate! Won't make a difference if Alderaan is destroyed or not! :P
Without building the Death Star the Empire could have build thousands of Star Destroyers making the Empire's grip on the Galaxy tighter, the Empire just needs a few of them to completely scorch a planet's surface and the husk would have been a more intimidating reminder of the Empires's power than an asteroid field.
Issac Aguero The empire *is the senate.*
Then his Padme visions would require lube.
Glorious Content oh god
😂😂😂
Christ!! Dude
The REAL reason he was so full of anger and hate: His ding-dong was roasted off.
Peak Vader: Walking God
Peak Chewbacca: Walking Carpet
lol
What if the Original Death Star wasn't destroyed?? 🗿🗿 Thx Dude
Dr. Edward Richtofen there's a comic about it
Dr. Edward Richtofen basically yoda would hijack the Death Star and fly it into the emperor
agreed
I kind of think if he hadn't been burned Obi-Wan wouldn't have just left him. He either would've taken him or finished the job.
This is the correct answer 💯
Also would Obi-Wan really have stood any chance on the death star? I feel like Anakin could have been much more powerful without the suit & more capable of more destruction
@@TTTTCJGKS if he wasn't burned then yes, but remember the suit was designed to limited him, Vader would probably have a chance as the suit could survive lightsaber attack, but Kenobi also could win as he has more mobility than Vader
when he walked away he shouldve waited for the emporor and threw him in the lava and then make sure anakin burns out too to ash
What if Darth Vader is actually Luke Skywalkers father?
JamesXIX impossible
JamesXIX pshhh everyone knows jar jar is his father they look just alike
JamesXIX about 40 or 30 years late you are
No room for error
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
He was like a Walking God thats one Description to describe Peak Vader
I just wish his suit would've been updated
Maybe after Episode 5. No pain for Vader anymore and he could use his Suit to his advantage with his sheer strengh. That would be pretty cool.
If Anakin never got injured at ALL on mustafar then he'd literally kill sidous in 2 years
Probably less
Luke or anyone would’ve never stood a chance
If Lt. Zogg (also James Earl Jones) can destroy the world in two hours, Vader (assuming he either beats Obi-wan or doesn't burn) could lay Sidious to waste in about 15 minutes.
I think it'd be when palpatine told Anakin Padme was dead
Sidious would've been killed by Windu if Anakin didn't interrupted
i think that burned or not, Master Yoda's warning holds true that "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."
True but isn't it known that anyone that Has a purple lightsaber was someone who started to go down the dark path but got off nd came to light again Mace Windu is an example of someone escaping the dark sides temptation
Maybe so who caused this ? The Jedi if they wouldn't have treated anikan the way they did it would of never happened it's their faults I feel for anikan they destroyed him
xYuXDOOMFXuYx that’s not what he meant exactly he meant that you will stay with those memories and they will either haunt you or make you different. I think so at least lol if not please prove me wrong (not being sarcastic)
@@tokkirae6157 You're not wrong. Yoda was pointing out how strong the Dark Side has a hold on you, that and it will darken you, twist you. Which it did for Anakin. Short of family redeeming him.
Alex he forgot everything tho
What I don't get is....How come with all of Vader's free time, he never tried to search for people capable to changing his suit into something else to counter Palps?
What if obi-wan had the high ground in a new hope?
Ben Allen I love it
I thought it was mildly implied Obi-wan was essentially on even terms in the fight. That him accepting death peacefully was so he might become a force ghost.
Do you think he was stupid for dying? I do.
But. If he didn't die. Luke wouldn't have gotten instructions to turn off his targetting computer and wouldn't have done been able to hit the vent port. Nor the instructions to go to Dagobah.
Nate L thanks for the good answer, I was thinking though, if obi wan beat (killed) vader there on the DS I wonder what that would change. Much I think, I bet tarkin would be demoralized (no telling what palps would do, but itd be bad). But I don't think obi wan would have to tell him via the force, he could use a comm from Yavin.
"What if Darth Vader Never Burned?"
Pretty sure that Obi Wan would have just finished him off on Mustafar.
The reasons he didnt is that he was horrified at seeing Anakins immolation, and that he thought that Anakin was almost certainly going to die from the injuries.
Exactly. Anikin's burns saved him from being finished off by Obi Wan.
When Obi learned Vader was still alive in some canteen on Tatooine he nearly crapped his pants. He wasn't expecting him to live.
It's the jedi's code to not attack anyone unarmed.
Anakin wasn't a threat anymore to Obi-Wan and the battle was done for. Even if he didn't burn it would be against the Jedi code to just kill him off.
Obi-Wan was REALLY strict to the code. Unless the enemy was still a threat.
But Anakin lost his limbs and was no threat anymore. IT would be against the Jedi code to kill Anakin.
To everyone saying. "Yeah but Obi Wan wouldnt hurt someone who was defenceless..."
I am pretty sure if that Anakin didnt catch fire, and was just uncomfortably lying there, that Obi Wan would come to the conclusion that he could recouperate and continue to be a threat / menace to the entire galaxy.
I mean run through the logic;
-> Anakin is a dark lord of the sith
-> He has no arms or legs but is otherwise fine and healthy... and the tech exists to give him mechanical limbs
-> Most powerful force user of all time
-> Just slaughtered thousands of his Jedi colleagues, murdered younglings, choked his pregnant wife and had a good old rant about ruling an empire.
... best just leave him there(!).
AwkwardNetwork Yoda told him to kill Vader tho
What if he never was injured at all?
The Jedi wouldn’t accept him and neither would the the Empire because Palpatine would be too afraid of his power to overtake him, which might cause them to hunt him and he’d just be on the run, all the time.
Nah palpatine would still keep him as an apprentice. Palpatine wanted Vader to surpass him and was incredibly surprised that Vader never once tried to overthrow him
“Palpatine was surprised that Vader never once tried to overtake him”
You just tried to dispute my statement by supporting it.
Palpatine feared that Vader would overtake him so if Anakin was never injured on Mustafar, Palpatine wouldn’t have taken him in. The only reason Palptine made Anakin the now-known Vader is because he made him weak! Yet with enough power to support the empire; Vader’s suit was heavy, limited force abilities, limited his breathing and was very vulnerable to force lightening so if he ever tries to overtake Palpi he gets a zappi ⚡️
Todoroki Touya yeah, but a problem is how palpatine was incredibly disappointed with Vader after he got burned and stopped treating him like the loved apprentice that he was earlier.
DarkSpartan FTW I assumed that he was just a temporary tool then, he was meant to die but his potential saved him
Todoroki Touya in legends he was just a tool for the empire, sent on suicide missions till the emperor eventually found a worthy apprentice.
In the canon Vader comics, palpatine admitted that he had people training to replace Vader. Especially after Vader failed to save the original Death Star.
Hey just wanted to clarify, my understanding was that the reason for Anakin's reduced Force connection was the lose of so much of his living tissue because of the burns (I.E dead skin tissue). I only say this because you make it sound like him losing his limbs were the main cause, which not to downplay that or anything, just makes it sound a bit off. No disrespect, I love your videos in fact, I just wanted to say something.
I mean, losing all of your limbs would reduce the amount of living tissue you have...
But the reason for anakin's reduced force connection was the loss of his limbs
Yes mother minute he lost his limbs his connection to the force was severed burns or not. However he could have cloned his limbs or been cybernetics like grevious had That were so advanced they could match the speed of a force user but palpatine would never have allowed it
What if Darth Sidious found Obi-Wan and Luke on Tatooine.
A part of me really wants to see Obi-wan's Soresu utterly ran over by Sidious' Juyo.
Darth Vader What if i had high ground?
The High Ground is hard-countered by the Sheev Spin, as Palpatine demonstrated.
Obi-Wan Kenobi What if you didn't underestimate Anakin's power?
LohenArc sounds good.
Who's also such a *Anakin*/*Darth Vader* Fan?
Intro/Thumbnail-Maker me me me me me
Intro/Thumbnail-Maker me he is a total badass
Intro/Thumbnail-Maker everyone lol
I am.
Intro/Thumbnail-Maker I don't. (Kylo ren force choke me) what. Did. I. Do. To. You? (Ran out of air, fall to death.)
I love your version so much more...
"they would forgive vader" no they wouldn't, that's like saying hitler all of the sudden changes and ask to be forgiven, no...
Vader cant be compared with Hitler, he was a hero before his fall and only fell for the dark Side because he was broken
@@robertbormann9606 he still killed millions of people
Maybe if he killed Palps in the process
@@CalistFitness still killed millions of people
No
When Padme asked Obi Wan Kenobi if Anakin was alright, he should've said
"Let's just say it was a heated battle."
What if Qui-Gon was shorter than Obi-Wan.
do what if darth vader captured Luke in episode 5 on cloud city and took him to the emperor. i think that would be a great vid.
edit: episode 5, not 4 (thx for poiting it out, small typo)
lavabob2000 Don't you mean episode 5?
yeah, thx.
Before “Vader” got burned his eyes went blue
it was Anakin's suffering from the suit that gave him a greater connection to the dark side
Kevin Gareau yet still weaker than he'd be without needing the suit as damage to the body reduces strength potential
Kevin Gareau *The details about his suit are no longer canon. Just look at the bacta tank scene in Rogue One. Vader can be removed from his suit, unlike in legends where it was like a prison. Did his injuries hinder his potential? Of course, but the idea that his pain/discomfort was "punishment" by Sidious is just silly. If that was true I can't imagine Vader just rolling over and being like, "yeah I f#%^ up so I'll keep this horrible suit to remind me of my failure forever."*
what if he never burned was the question not can he get out of the suit
you could make a uncomfortable suit with higher strength too.
Like general grievious with waaay more power. Vaders suffering was more psychical not physical anyway
Grim Reaper The more anger he receives the stronger he'll get.
What if Anakin didn’t duck under Maul’s speeder?
*Directed by George Lucas*
Rip anakin
ANAKIN DUCK!!!
no, i don’t like sa...
DIRCTED BY GEORGE LUCAS
Decapatated
just by the title alone: response: that requires anakin having the high ground
I love your version, it really works. Anakin's road to acceptance might've been long for some, but Leia for one would've been smoothing the way.
Just finished school I and I get Star Wars theory YAY!!
ahhahaha Nice :D
Aidan Kerr Me too! 👍😁 So so happy right now I will burn myself
Aidan Kerr just started school
Aidan Kerr lol
Darth Vader Hello there
Do a video on what the blasters use to power and what they shoot as well as the colors
Altaïr ibn la ahad you fuckkkkk the fucking hell off bitch
oi m8 u want popped? shut the shit
Blasters use batteries and blaster gas. The color is due to the type of gas used.
what if people stopped commenting about this unoriginal joke?
What if Krennic was allowed to be in charge of the Death Star?
Darth Vader LMAO
Darth Vader That's pretty clever, My Lord
The Vent would've been long since "plugged" and they would destroy Rebellion along with Yavin 4
Darth Vader director*
What if Vader in Rogue One got the plans?
What if the Tusken Warrior HADN'T MISSED when shooting at "Lil Ani", whilst he's driving in the Pod Race in Phantom Menace?
I’d hate to be on the dark side with all the hate u have even when ur love dies and ur friend “ betrays you” and you can’t do anything
D011_ArS dark side seems dumby lit
Lol so he murdered hundreds in cold blood including a bunch of kids but “in time they would learn to accept him for who he is”.
Would you alienate the guy who can literally kill everyone at the victory party at will?
I don’t buy that at all. He would for sure be tried and executed By the rebellion. If mon mothma granted him clemency How could she explain “oh he turned good” to all the people in the galaxy who suffered by his hand
I smashed like button and it broke off.
Darth Kieduss I smashed the like button and now it’s pregnant
XD
Oh so that’s where the like button went........
Lol
I used the like button to destroy the like button
It's my obsession to see a Star Wars "What If" series in which Darth Vader never burns on Mustafar. His former identity as Anakin Skywalker being known across the entire galaxy, and how some iconic scenes would have played out, such as when he meets and kills Obi-Wan in the Death Star, or when he tells Luke he's his father, and also the famous Rogue One hallway scene. Since he wouldn't be wearing the suit and mask, we'd be able to see his face and expression of hate and anger.
We tend to think of Vader as a different character to Anakin (even though we know they're the same person), but having Vader with Anakin's face would be so impactful because we'd be shocked to see the change from Anakin's happy smiley face when he was with Padme and Obi-Wan to Vader's angry evil twisted face when he is working for the Empire. In the original timeline all we see is a mask, so we can't see the emotions on Vader's face. And Hayden Christensen is a great actor. He did a superb job in Episode III, but we see very little of Vader before he burns. I think fans deserve more of that.
If I were Disney, I'd seriously consider making a What If series about this and hire Christensen. And I'd go for the scenario where Vader ends up overthrowing the Emperor, but only by the time Luke is an adult and Vader has already offered him to rule the galaxy together as father and son. Till then, I wouldn't change much of the timeline.
Anyway, I love your videos. I really like how you empathize with Anakin/Vader instead of judging him like others do. I can totally relate to him. He's one of my favorite characters ever.
What if Yoda and Obi Wan Kenobi became Sith Lords
Ultimate Power
gg galaxy
No WE HAVE RAY,LUKE,AND THE HIGHEST GROUND
But darth sidous and darth vader are the jedi
That wouldn't be possible
I like how at the start you can hear vaders breathing WHILE hes talking
The biggest difference, I think, would be Vader's self-image. He would still see it as possible to live some kind of real LIFE. Yes, he would have cybernetic limbs but those could be concealed with clothing or upgraded to look more human. He would still fundamentally be a handsome, vital young man. Yes, he would mourn Padme and his children, but he would probably over time move on, and consider finding love again something that was possible for him. This would be a Vader who could drink and fuck and generally enjoy the perks of being the second most powerful man in the galaxy. In short, he would have less reason to be a singleminded obsessive who only cared about revenge and power. And with those options open to him, he wouldn't have the same mental blocks limiting his potential, the same incurable self-hatred. He'd have killed Palpatine and become Emperor years ago.
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But I thought the reason padme was slowly dying despite the odds was because of the sith magic Palpatine used to heal Vader back from the brink of death just enough to still survive, but not enough to return to his full strength?
Perhaps due to him not developing these injuries in his fight with Obi-Wan, perhaps Padme never died, and simply raised the Luke and Leia on her planet, with the help of nanny droids and any surviving family members?
What Sith Magic and how does that magic affect Padme?
What if he didnt fell in love with padme and get fully dedicated on becoming a jedi?
what if Han Solo never regained his eyesight.
I'm two years late to this discussion. There are two points I can think of where things could have gone differently when Obi Wan learned the truth:
1. The initial landing on Mustafar. Obi Wan could have convinced Anakin to come back with Padme and his soon to be born children. Anakin wanted power to right the wrongs he saw, but the other half of that equation was protecting Padme and his children.
2. After severing his limbs Obi Wan could have taken a helpless Anakin back to the ship and convinced Anakin to come back and be with Padme and his soon to be born children. He'd be in a wheelchair next to Padme seeing his children's birth, and might have forgiven a contrite Anakin.
What Anakin would have done is debatable. What would his mood be after being reunited with Padme and his children? Would he proceed with his plan for galactic domination, or would he have turned back, rested to regain his strength and obtain better cybernetics to face the Emperor?
I do believe that Obi-Wan failed for Anakin . He coude convinces him , it's a deleted scene where Anakin is literally begging help , end Obi-Wan is turning his back . Luke said : Help me dad , end finally, they were both saved . End after Obi-Wan left Anakin burning , his eyes turn in red from blue . Every one failed Anakin , when he needs them . The idea that you can't be saved or giving a second chance its a big problem of the Jedi council. Sorry for my bad english.
i think that (theoretically along with this video) luke and anakin’s new jedi order would have focused more on acknowledging your emotions, rather than bury them deep. to think about what they meant and how to calm yourself and focus on the task at hand. all this being because anakin would have realized why he turned to the dark side (i think it was bc of his built up emotional trauma and damages and obi-wan having him bury them)