HOBIE 16 capsize righting SOLO is it possible?
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Joyrider TV is one of the best channels on TH-cam for catamaran sailing tutorials, maintenance, Q+As and great small cat sailing content.
Whether you sail a Hobie, Nacra, Aclass, acat, Prindle, Hurricane, Dart, Windrush, Tornado, Unicorn, F18, F16, Supercat, Thundercat, Dragoon or even a Minicat, you'll find something here to help you. Due to popular demand i've been out to see how much wind it takes to right the Hobie 16 with 85kg of crew weight.
If it is windy enough (20 knots +) then it is definitely possible. Otherwise you either need outside assistance or some kind of device such as a bag:
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or a righting frame/pole:
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When a capsize occurs, get the bows of the boat into the wind to put less load on the boat and righting system and make it easier to right. To right the boat, simply release the bungee that holds the pole out of the water and swing the pole out so it is perpendicular to the boat’s fore/aft. Now, to get more righting leverage, raise the pole to around 40° above the straight-out position and then slip the stopper knot through the beam loop so it is ahead of the beam loop. Now, reach out and grab the pole at the end and hang onto it. The boat should comeup very quickly. Once the boat is up, release the stopper knot on the righting line from the beam loop and get back on the boat. After the boat is underway, the pole will come straight back in alignment to bungee back to the rear beam. Then off you go!
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And that folks is why I go sailing with 2 people and have a floater on the top of the mast!
Thanks for showing the failures too
without the failures it would have been a pretty short video!
I just re-acquired my childhood Hobie 16 after I sold it 15 years ago when I went away to University. So excited to get it up and going! I almost always sailed single handed. I was about 170 pounds at the time, fitter and a water polo player then. I used a water bag. Never had much trouble getting upright but those on the shore, annoyingly, always thought it was some sort of an emergency. For me the nervous bit was after righting it: collecting up all the lines, getting reorganized and getting unstalled and out of irons without being flattened again! By far my favorite memory was taking my dad, then about 71 out. His job, trapeze, run the jib and function as moveable ballast! He had a grin ear-to-ear while on the hook. Then the pitch-pole and a trip around the forestay for him!
Nice, so you've got the same boat back after 15 years, amazing.
The bag certainly looks like the best choice if you don't want the bulk of a frame.
Good work getting the bows to weather. One very important issue here regarding getting the bows into the wind. If the mainsail is in the water in very heavy conditions, it will act as a sea anchor which will weather vane the mast head into the wind as the boat is blown across the surface. I was once capsized in the Santa Barbara Channel 10 miles out in very heavy conditions. My crew and I could not get the bows to weather, so resorted to righting the boat with the mast head to weather, resulting in a reverse capsize. After about 8 of these frantic attempts, I sat back, took my time, and observed what was going on. I sheeted the main out of the water which allowed us to pivot the boat bows to wind. I then unsheeted the main and quickly righted the boat. Lesson learned: I won't die on a catamaran on it's side, no matter how far out to sea I am. Take the time to figure out why something is not working.
Доплыл до верха мачты и прицепил туда воздушный шарик. Сложил стоячий такелаж. Перевернул. Отцепил воздушный шарик. Сложил паруса. Установил стоячий такелаж. Расправил паруса. И поехал.
When I had my 16 (52209), I used to single hand every now and then, Low wind? no risk of capsize. High wind, found not too tough to right it. But I never knew about "stand on bow to bring the bow into the wind" procedure. Interesting!
My strategy was to let the sheets out, and let the mast point straight into the wind. This makes life exciting when the boat comes up (and 1/2 the time goes right over to capsize on the other side!) but full wind on the tramp brings it up pretty easily -- at least in my case. I weighed about 165 lbs at the time (I think I could right one easier now :-0 ). But as you say, with the sails catching when it comes up in that mode I had to be very quick to get on board and get control of the boat pronto!
Ha ha ha, you got help!! When I ran Hobie 16 schools in Kos and Portugal we had a "Fat Bastard" Badge for those instructors who could bring back up the Hobie by themselves. It is all technique....
must by me 85 kg
I rightened my H16 quite a few times solo, always with wind actually.
But my daughters (regular crew ) comment was: that just means youre to fat dad! (90k)
is anyone else jumping along with him? I know I am!
I was exhausted just watching that. Well done.
Very impressive ! On each video we learn so much !!
On my last H16 I installed side stay extenders. By pulling a fast pin,on the high side, the stay extends about 9 inches. This allows the high hull to go over center. This way one persons weight is enough to rite the cat. When upright bring the extended stay to leeward and use the fast pin to shorten the stay. Worked great.
I thought about that as an option, I think that bigger cats used to do that, I take it that you never had any problems with the mast foot from that?
Never had the mast un-step when using the extender system. Realizing the possibility, I always re shortened the stay as soon as I could.
From my understanding the side stays extender kit is supplied with a retaining cable that wraps around the rear of the mast and through a nylon cleat hole or eye, each end then ties off with a shackle to the dolphin striker. The retaining cable is long enough to allow mast rotation but just short enough to stop a de-masting.
I was just going joke about unhooking the side stay when I saw the thumbnail! great idea with the extender much better then using the trapeze line I thought about
I've also used the extenders on my 16, they work for novices too
Great video... You are in good shape to go to 6 “takes” and keep the level of energy you had. I’ve capsized my H18 a few times but always had a second person to get it back up. I added a homemade righting pole but haven’t used it yet. Need to give it a try!!! Thanks for the video.
This video is very much interesting and real. Thanks to Joseph for the very professional and technical videos .I have tried to right my Hobie 16 alone(85Kg) but without any success, perhaps because of the low wind. I have also tried with a more than 60 kgs bag, but no success once more. I must try again putting the 60 kilos bag more external from the centre for having a longer arm and impement the righting- moment. It's a great video !!
Thanks to your knowledge sharing my life is growing as a Marine veteran struggling thru it all. Very grateful for your constant training and inspirational videos!
I'm glad that the videos are helping. Cheers!!!
Ah, thanks for the good memories. In mid 1970s I owned a Hobie 16 (sail no. 23023) that I sailed out of Pearl Harbor. Most of the time I had no problem finding someone that wanted to go sailing that would crew for me. But a couple of times when no one volunteered to crew, and winds were light I sailed the boat solo.
Managed to become capsized once, first time, when approaching the yacht basin to call it a day, where the wind becomes shifty and caught me off guard. The water there is shallow and the top of the mast came up with a bit of mud on it. Anyway, it took me a while to get the boat up righted. Probably would have been easier if I were a taller and heavier person, 5' 7" ~ 165# at that time. But entirely possible, and easier to do once you figure out the best approach. Get the boat turned with mast pointing mostly to windward, and lifted a bit clear of the water surface, then time your maximum effort to right the boat when wind picks up a bit. It was easier and quicker to right the boat the next time. But I think I only capsized the H16 2x while sailing solo.
I forgot about seeing this video. So I watched it again. Always enjoyable. I'm looking forward to your using a water bag showing us how that works.
I'm still thinking two people or, a water bag because... I was getting tired just watching you.
Very very useful, thanks. Shows why most people should consider having a mast float, and a righting bag unless they are as good a sailor as you. Or sail something suitable for solo righting. I am going to look at your other videos now. This sort of video really helps clarify what is possible or isn't. Thanks
So that’s what causes waves in the ocean
I used to work at a resort with this same boat. When we solo'ed and capsized, I was glad I was out of hearing range of our guests, because this is a pain in the butt!!
Your videos are amazing great job keep it up
Absolutely great video! I've got to practice this. I've got a heavy-duty dry bag that I think will make a nice righting bag with some water in it.
Great Video, very informativ and very educational!
Thanks a lot for the effort you put into this!
👍👍👍
I take an over the shoulder empty duffle bag with me.
After capsize, get in the water and fill the duffle bag with water. That will increase your weight substantially. That's like having another person on the hull while leaning out. It provides the necessary additional leverage (weight) to bring the Hobie back up. Try it!
Yes, and yes, big fan of the bag - I'll carry one now whenever i'm solo - works like a charm!
That is amazing boat handling.
it is possible to right that boat alone. i have done it but you should consider your size and the conditions. i think he would be able to get it up without help if he had tried a little more.
but nice video, shows the struggle of righting a cat
Thank you for upload this video!
Even failed experiments are good experiments. You can learn a lot from them ! Thank you Joe, great video as usual !!! :-)
Thanks very much. I think it's equally important to know what doesn't work!
Well worth watching, thanks for the share
Thank you another great video
Excellent video. Not a failure. This information is very useful. I believe there is another way to route the righting lines using fused bungies that is helpful as well. Great video!!
Yes, someone was talking to me about a method using thick bungee to get skidoos out of snow drifts. Maybe i'll try making some 50mm bungee to test.
My 1978 Hobie had the Hawaiian righting system installed. I sailed single handed most of the time and never had a problem righting it solo. I was taught to release the sails as soon as you knew you were going over.
Yes, good plan to release the sails although not always possible at the time.
This is a great video its not just about a "technique"...one really gets a feel for the mechanics involved
I'm glad that it helped
Good video. i could right my hobie getaway solo. no way i could sink the front of the hull to drag the front into the wind, too buoyant, so used a sea anchor . Mast float was a big help as well, kept the mast up so wind could get underneath sail easier. Pitch-poled the getaway once, that caused some excitement. Got a little bravo now, too easy
Excellent summary for new hobbies, thank you very much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
"Less chance of the circus being in town!" Awesome. Last time I was out practicing solo righting the whole clown show came to town. Really appreciate you doing this, I was the one who asked for a solo righting tutorial after seeing the solo 16 video. I never have anyone else out on the water where I sail so until I can get the self righting/rescue down I'm always with crew. I have the righting bag and will practice some more, it's unlikely I'll ever be out solo in anything over 15 knots so will need to get my technique down. That and only going out solo on onshore days.
This was super stressful!!!! Thank you for showing the good and the bad!!
You're welcome. I think that there may have been some water in the mast - i've had others come up very easily since.
I flipped a Hobie 14 turbo and when i got it up..it sailed away. Forgot to unhook the main. And what was worse..as it sailed away i caught the main sheet and as it dragged me through the water, it tightened the main. It beached itself right between two docks..didn't hit anything! Phew!
I got picked up by a boater..he couldn't stop laughing..after i found the boat undamaged..i laughed too!! LOVE SAILING!!!
The near miss is always better than a hit!
I'd recommend, especially when single handed, loosen the mainsheet, keep the traveller central, that way when you come up, if the wind catches the sail it should turn you into the wind.
Wow, that was educational.
I am about to buy a project Tornado inspired by your channel, but did wonder about the occasional solo days… this taught me I must devise an aid or solution to this. 😎🤘
Try this method th-cam.com/video/1UyUZOP94-8/w-d-xo.html with the bag - it works very well.
I feel like an inflatable cushion on the masthead would help a lot by getting the mast up out of the water so the wind can get under the sails.
I found myself leaning way back in my chair to try to help! Looks like a beautiful place to sail!
Thanks for trying to help. It really is a sailor's paradise.
8:08. Your telltales show that the wind is blowing from the stern to the bows. Exact opposite of what you want.
Thanks for the video I dont feel so bad for capsizing the Nacra 18 on low wind and had to get some help to righten the boat
I'm pretty sure righten isn't a real word.
@@davearonow65 "Definition of righten
: to restore to original or proper condition : set right : STRAIGHTEN
the agility to righten himself at once"
Merriam Webster
Looks exhausting :D
Good job doe.
These boats looks fun.
Very skillful sailor you are! Looks like a fun location too.
captmack007 vasiliki, lefkada, I love to surf there
Joe, thanks so much. Turtling is something I've always been scared of. I've never done it. I'm glad to know it's not the end of the world if it does happen.
As long as your mast is sealed the boat should come up quite easily.
@@JoyriderTV what do you mean by the last being sealed? Do we need to do something to our masts to ensure it doesn't fill with water or something?
In the old days, you could take a trash bag half full of water slung over your shoulder for sufficient weight to right it solo.
I've done this before. Works fine. Be sure to use a good quality bag; don't want bag to burst before boat has righted.
I always carried a 30 ft. piece of 1/4 inch line for emergencies. Fill bag with water, allow room to tie a knot in bag. Tie line around the bag, below the knot. Throw other end of line over the high hull, foward of front pylon. Pull line until bag starts to come out of water. Lean out on righting line and continue to pull bag out of water. ...up she comes.
@@samlewis7989 Yep those trash bags were of much higher quality back in the day ;-)
Old days are gone its 2019 dude
Yep, except a trash bag won’t do it. I keep a righting bag, with a pulley and some line attached, clipped under the tramp. Throw line around pylon. Haul a zillion pounds of water up out of the ocean, get it behind your back and lean back, pushing the bag out. Up she comes. Works every time.
Eight thumbs up for each take,like always very usefull, thanks
Hello Joseph, I sail on a lake. Unfortunately we do not have as much wind here as you do at Wild Wind. It happened to me that I capsized alone on the HC16. Unfortunately I did not have a water bag with me. My solution was to open the Cunnigham to unhook the halyard and pull the sail down about a meter. So I was able to raise the boat alone. Everything else was exactly like you did. The setting of the main-sail wasn´t fun, but I made it despite the wind. Best regards from Northern Germany.
It's good to know that that method works - I think for many people will be happy to know that it is possible in lighter winds.
"Less of a chance the circus comes around" lol. Thank you so much for taking the time to experiment and post that even though the results are disappointing. I often sail solo on a 16 and hold back or stay close to shore for fear of a never righting situation.
I'm sure you have tried several options but am wondering if using the main halyard as the righting rope or at least assisting the main righting rope would be enough to unglue the main sail from the surface.
I think that the results would be similar. I'll try it next time and i'll let you know if it is successful.
Great Video
Philipe from Brazil
👍🏼good job... normal sometime to have a difficulty! The weight of a person is of its importance!
The early 16’s had a reefing point in the main and I found I could right it by myself (75 kg) if the sail was reefed as there was less weight at the top of the mast and the main didn’t hold as much water. There was always 15 knots + as capsizes only occurred when there was wind.
Hey Joseph, great video to show how difficult is it to bring the Hobie back upright for us single handed sailors. Can you do a capsize righting solo test with a mast head BOB and righting bag. It is one of the safety systems I am looking into.
muito bom,aqui no Brasil os hobbies tem uma legião de fãs!
Excellent, That's good to know. Send in photos for Show us your cat! We want to see!
I got a sort of bar under my trampoline that I can deploy if I’m alone, very useful thing
I've heard good things about the bar/ frame / pole but never tried it
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Thanks very much, I really appreciate it. Let me know if there's anything you would like to see.
Joe, thanks for your great videos. I've watched this video several times trying to catch what brand boots you are wearing. It sounds like you are saying Crew Sabre, but I have had no luck searching those and ended up with O'Neill Reactor Reef Boots. But thought you might want to do a video on your favorite sailing gear. Thanks again love your videos...
Hi there! Yes I think that would be quite useful, there's a world of gear out there. The boots that I was using here are Crewsaver. I have since set up a list on Amazon of equipment that I either use, have used or would consider using - www.amazon.com/shop/josephbennett?listId=3TNJ7KMUB0DON&ref=idea_share_inf
Great video again Joseph. This one was a real eye opener as I'm also about 85 kilos. I tend to sail in lighter winds (so that I don't capsize!) and haven't tried to solo right the cat in light winds like that. Having see this, I now realize I couldn't do it. Do you equip your 16s with righting bags? If so, a video of solo righting with a bag would be the bees knees!
Hi, where we're sailing we always have a safety boat standing by so no need for us to carry bags. Unfortunately i don't have one at this time.
If one comes to me i'll make a video fo sure!
I got tangled up in a Hobie on a loch in Scotland after pitchpoling it solo.
I remember thinking how stupid it was that I might die on that boat then.
I got free and stood on the inverted tramp for quite some time until a rescue boat helped me right it.
I would have been 16 at the time. I was an experienced dinghy sailor but the fastest thing I'd crewed on was a Fireball. Fastest Dinghy I'd helmed would have been an enterprise.
Since then I've crewed a Dart 18 and helmed a 420 then a Laser 4000 for many years.
Pitchpoling never even occurred to me as a nieve single hull racer.
I was very aware of it in the Dart 18 after that.
Crikey, That's a real reminder of the potential danger of what we're doing on the small cats.
Well done for getting back on the cats.
Good thing I didn't see this before I went out sailing with my two sons, on Shuswap Lake, BC, Canada, on the May long weekend.
We accidentally turned turtle, and the while we were about 2 km from shore and no one knew we had gone over. Boy, the water was cold
and we had no choice but to try to upright the boat, which we did manage to do and sail home. If I had watched this video before I probably
would have thought it futile to attempt to right the boat and we could have died from hypothermia ! If there had only been two of us on
board we wouldn't have had enough weight to upright it.
Here's the video of the correct technique when sailing with someone else:
th-cam.com/video/HrI3b4D_Jgo/w-d-xo.html
It's quite a regular occurrence around here!
(*Special note: Joseph Bennett is an excellent sailor and I know is completely aware of my capsized righting tips below. His videos here are simply experiments in various ways to achieve a goal with a hobie cat. My comments below are to hopefully help a new hobie sailor, wanting to learn hobie cat sailing techniques and to hopefully remove any fear about capsizing, Capsizing a hobie is part of the fun. )
I really enjoy watching your videos. Best way to enjoy sailing and become better at it - is to learn tricks and skills from everyone who has ideas. You never stop learning.
I have sailed hobie cat 16’s since 1985. Learned many things over the years. Always enjoyed sailing with 2 people, but also loved solo sailing. I have sailed solo in very light winds to very heavy winds. Love flying the hull, but have flipped the hobie so many times, I can no longer count how many. In heavy winds and light winds, it is always possible to right a hobie by yourself. Some tricks take more work than others. It is always good to learn these tricks, but if you want mostly worry free solo sailing, please take my advice.
1st - always makes sure you have a good righting line [rope] on your hobie cat. I have had several versions on my hobies. But probably the simplest and easiest is to tie your righting line to one of the back pylons, then stretch the line along one side of the hull and partly around the front pylon on that hull. Then continue to stretch the righting line to the back center of the hobie trampoline. Use another small piece of rope (about 12 to 18 inches / or a bit less than 1/2 meter) and tie that part of the righting line to the back of the trampoline ( on one of the laces.) Then from the tied off point of the righting line at the middle back end of the trampoline, continue to stretch the righting line towards the front end of the hobie cat and partly around the other front pylon on the boat. Then continue to stretch the righting line along the other hull to the back pylon, and tie it off.
If looking at the righting line from a top view, it would resemble an “M” shape. And I should mention that this righting line is running underneath the trampoline.
When the boat capsizes, just un-tie the small piece of rope at the back middle part of the boat and let the rope slack fall freely. You can then pull the slack over the higher side of the hull that is above your head, which will give you plenty of rope available to grab and lean back with. And since the rope is sort of looped ( one end tied to the back pylon and the other going up and over the front pylon area, it is easier to grip the righting line as you are leaning back.
2nd. Invest in a righting bag. They are easy to store on the boat. They make righting a hobie cat easy as pie. Get one. They give a solo sailor all the freedom in the world, and takes all the worry away ( unless you are very close to the surf at the ocean.)
3rd. Light winds, point mast directly into the wind, with all main sheet lines and jib sheet lined completely loose. Heavy winds - point mast 45 to 90 degrees into the wind ( the heavier the wind, the further away you would want to be pointing your mast into the wind. But the front of the mast should always be in the direction facing the wind, so that the wind will always catch the front of the sails 1st. Main sheet and jib sheet lines also very loose. (Also, since the water bag is full of water and heavy, even in the water, it prevents the boat from sailing away without you once you rightened the hobie, since it is attached to the righting line and creates a heavy drag.)
This works great, even when your boat turtles. The trick I was taught is that, when your boat turtles, stand on the hull of your hobie that’s opposite the wind with righting line in hand and start leaning back pulling the hull that is facing the wind 1st up and out of the water. The wind will then catch up under the trampoline and help lift it.
Again....main and jib sheets very loose. You don’t want to try and pull up a bunch of water with the sails. If your mast is air tight, it should come up easily. Use clear silicone glue and put it all around any point on your mast that water may enter.
If having trouble getting water out of your mast, drill a small 1/4inch hole near bottom of the mast, and a 2nd hole also near the bottom of the mast but 1/2 way around the other side of the mast. Tilt mast so water comes to the bottom. Blow into one of the holes, the air pressure will push the water out the other hole. Silicone glue the 2 holes once the water is out.
An air tight mast will float so much better. A mast that fills with water will turtle your boat every time.
That's a solid explanation. Thanks for that, and thanks for adding the tips about getting water out of the mast. Having a sealed mast is a very important safety feature of any catamaran, water in the mast can cause the boat to inver very quickly making it extremely dangerous.
You deserve a beer after that!!
yes please!
I used to right my capsized hobie 16 by myself when I was 15 years old and weighed 145 pounds.
And how did you manage that? 145 pounds is not enough weight. I have seen Hobies righted by a single person in the ocean using waves to provide the initial lift.
I did it hundreds of time when i was about 25 and 64 kg, but a couple of years ago i really had to struggle a lot to right a hobie 16 on my own, and i weight 84 kg... I think the trouble is i tried to sink the hull standing on the back of it and not in front. I will train again this summer....
Hi Joe, thanks for the video, is it not a concession to all the mesh trampolins that the wind exerts less power than on a full canvas device? I am struggling hard with me cause my old tarp trampolin is finally worn out.
The wind blowing on the trampoline doesn't have a large effect on righting the boat - more on pushing it through the water sideways. Getting the wind under the sail is more helpful. We don't have any PVC trampoline to do a comparison unfortunately.
If you have to get a new one I think the mesh is the way to go.
I was really surprised at how difficult that was. I've capsized my Dart 18 several times solo. I'm 200 lbs and have little trouble getting the mast out of the water
Maybe it has something to do with more mass in the hauls (16ft vs 18)? I would guess a lot of the difficulty is raising the mast (+water in the mast) out of the surface.
@@rickfolwarkow6401 if water gets in the mast of any beach cat, righting it probably isn't going to happen without assistance
I’m 100kg and I can just right the Hobie 16. Couple of tips,
1). Attach a rope to you so Hobie does not take off once you right it and leave you behind.
2). Quickly once you feel it coming over jump across to the opposite hull and drape you’re weight over it so it doesn’t flip strait back over which it would do 90% of the time.
Capsizes are great fun 👍👍
Great tips, thanks!
Where did you shoot this video? I have the feeling it’s in greece, maybe vassiliki; waiting to come back there in a week
you are right! I'll see you next week.
Good to know, I got one of these and havent managed to capsize yet. Does the hobie mast head Float do the job well? been thinking of getting one. I dont mind inverted capsize but getting the mast stuck in the mud or under some kelp (lot of that stuff around where I am) just isnt fun at all.
If you sail in shallow water regularly it's well worth fitting a mast head float. The do an excellent job in preventing the inversion.
The reason that we don't use them on our 16s is so that the boat will invert, giving the sailors a better chance of being able to swim back to the boat if they become separated (the boat on it's side drifts too quickly)
I got a righting frame attached, never used it...are they any good? its rectangular and attached to the front beam, on the underside of course.
The righting frame means that you can easily bring the boat back upright solo, the only down side is the weight.
Might have been good for newbs to explain how you were orienting the boat by using your weight on the hull? Or maybe i missed that part?
Thank you for the video though!!
yes, if i didn't mention it I should have done.
Awesome video as always! Do you think maybe your mast was not water tight and that might made it more difficult?
The mast was fine, otherwise it would have been difficult to get it up from inverted - I think the main problem in the lighter wind is being able to get the boat into the wind - once it's there the sail 'unsticks' much easier and then the boat comes up easily.
That was a phenomenal video, well done and thank you. Just a quick question: If there is a second person, do they lift the mast (like the person in the boat did), from inside the sea ? Or do they both stand on the float ? Which is better apporoach ?
Both on the float - here's the full story:
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@@JoyriderTV one should turn the boat or help the boat turn against the wind and then push the must out of the water
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good luck next time
@@euagorfanos1 Thanks!
Point the bow dead into the wind. Even if you are exhausted, just grab the bow and the boat will drift downwind. I weighed 145 lbs, so the wind is what lifts the sail. The rocking/bouncing that you did was completely unnecessary. A slightly thicker righting line with a knot in just the right spot. Just lean back and as the tip of the mast breaks the water, the wind pushes up on the mainsail. Your video was exhausting to watch. It's really very easy. Also with the bow heading into the wind you don't have to worry about the boat flipping back over as you do when you point the mast into the wind.
thanks for the advice, i'll be sure to try that next time!
@@JoyriderTV I forgot the main point. It's virtually impossible to do with people watching and a video camera rolling.
Hi Joseph, i'm your colleague from the Netherlands. If skilled, you can try to tighten the main. Preferably with the boom rotating on top of the mast and the end of the boom half way up the traveller. By doing so you reduce the amount of water on the main to zero. Every liter equals a kilo. when almost upright make sure you swing you leg over the hull to prevent it from capsizing again or sailing away. Please let us know if this works for you.
thanks for the advice, I'll give it a go and let you know.
I always did that alone on purpose to practice, i can right up the boat in any situation especially in low wind by locking the main sail towards the water, but dont forget to hold thr mainsail for quick release once the boat is up, dont point the boat towards the wind it must be 2 or 3 oclock to the wind, and if you picked up some wind move at the rear to help the boat. Im only 5"7 medium built, and i noticed that you didnt wrap around the righting line on the other side of the boat which i always do that helps me a lot, but if my buddy is around i never do that since we can easily right it up,
i felt that on this occasion I did everything possible.
Correction, Im only 5 " 7
Great content, love your videos. Do you think having a rope attached to the tip of the mast would provide better torque rather than the righting line at the base?
Thanks, I’ve done a lot of research and it makes no difference where you attach the writing line as long as it is coming over the widest part of the hull
I see why you use just a righting line, great video!!
Thanks! 👍
"Give it the beans" ha ha too funny.... The water here where I live is too cold for that kind of sailing I think. { Western Canada ] the lakes are fed from mountain ice and snow run off. And the pacific ocean is cold off the coast of Vancouver. But fun to watch you.
This is both extremely helpful and terrifying! I will be ordering a righting bag/bucket immediately. Question - do you think it helps at all to have a mast float? Yes, it keeps the mast out of the water, but it also adds extra weight.
I think that it would as it will stop so much mainsail going underwater.
I'll make another video soon testing the mast head float for single handed righting.
Thanks for the reply and looking forward to the video! You do great work!
When I was sailing in Gulf of Mexico we flipped a Flying Scott ( not easy to do)...Well the top of the mast got stuck in the mud below. This was in Mississippi Sound water so it was not clear at all. It took us at least 2 hours from getting it "unstuck". We had one brave soul shimmy down the mast to try to dislodge it. We tied a rope to him to stay safer. An incoming tide and some help from bigger waves got us unstuck....nearly 3 hours of this. NEVER want to experience this again!
Yes, sounds terrible - that mast head float would be very appropriate in that situation.
@@JoyriderTV THanks for the response....When we were sailing then, we actually had to flip and right a flying scott....what happened that time was a fluke. When a sailboat starts to flip usually someone on the boat tries to get to get to mast and at least put a life-jacket around it.
Hey Joseph I am looking to buy a used cat-any recommendations? Thanks
@@JoyriderTV THis was also the late 70's and we were within a mile of shore so it wasnt that bad.....
you can get a righting frame, mine had one fitted. I never used it but it looked like it would make life easier. It was rectangular and the hinges were attached to the underside of the front beam.
I was thinking about the righting frame or pole. Then I tried the bag. I think that the bag is the way forward - light, compact and easy to use.
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Great vid, thanks for sharing. How much benefit is there for having a small float attached to top of mast.
The mast head float will stop you from inverting. It doesn't help the righting from having the boat on it's side.
I can right a 16 solo, but I have the advantage of being a beefy 220 lbs. Even then I don't count on being able to do it solo - very difficult in light winds. I have a bag that I keep clipped under the tramp. It's in a zippered bag, and rigged with a line and a pulley and a carabiner. Throw the line over the upper hull, fill with water, haul it up using the pully, tie it off, then get it behind your shoulder and lean back and up she comes.
I have the same setup I fabricated the bag myself as they are very expensive to import to the UK. Learnt to sew using my newly aquired Reads Sailmaker sewing machine while I was at it which also got me into sail repair and dito bags, great fun :-)
The best!
It seems that pulling a jib to the other side was causing it to help you instead of acting as counterweight, filled by water.
So reduceing mast 1m would help?
Smaller headsail shorter boom.
They are cheap to buy used so to make a safe Katamaran for teens?
Nah, if you want an easier to right catamaran, get a Hobie Wave. These boats are meant to be double handed, and are not too bad to right with two.
I use a peice of wood as a lever that fits in the groove on the hull on my P16. the other end of the fodd has a fitting so I can pass a rope to both ends of the hull in the air. Then I just climb on the lever and it's back sailing again. The peice of wood is long enough so I can strap it to both hulls just in front of the mast. Sounds complicated, but my weight isn't enough even with a bag of water. I'm not the biggest sailor around here. Anyways, thanks for the vids !
It would be interesting to see a picture if you have one.
@@JoyriderTV I recon its a similar method to this but the wood / paddle slips under the gunwale lip. I personally would be a little cautious of damaging the boats gunwale though. th-cam.com/video/NwZZX2ka820/w-d-xo.html
Excellent Video...What you don't say, is that repeated attempts to right the boat can be quite exhausting...(Or perhaps I'm really out of shape). I was able to right my Hobie 16 quite easily in a similar wind...I had a righting pole, and I'm pretty sure that my mast-head Bob helped to get some wind under the tip of the mast. Keeping the boat from doing "flippy-flippy" as you call it, is almost as important as righting the boat...(learned the hard way...)
Then of course getting back on can be quite draining too.
@@JoyriderTV Yup!
thanx for great video, it worked after adjustening rightening line length! But how shall I do when mast top get stuck int the clay?
Hmmm. Perhaps a bit more tricky. If you're sailing somewhere that happens a lot a mast head float could be a sensible option.
yep I’m afraid so, doesn’t the floater pick wind? I sail in the myddu shallow archipellago of Stockholm..
@@janwannman2796 yes, the mast float will slow you down a bit, it's a choice you have to make.
How good would it be to buy one of those mast floats that sit on top if you solo a lot? Keep the mast from going under water?
I'll talk about this in today's Q+A
I love the speed of 16+ catamarans, but as a solo skipper most of the time, it's just not a great choice in the event of a capsize. Is there sailing holidays in the winter? would love to come over...
We have another centre on Mauritius, we have 16's there too!
Well man, the bag method; is it crazy to ask would it be possible to use one that holds ones bodyweight, or a little over even, and haul that up with à few pulleys to 'guarantee' a successful rightsizing? Love your work.
I was going to try with a massive bag - the type that building materials come in - watch this space!!!
@@JoyriderTV I'll be watching.
When we had a Hobie 14 Had to have some one with me wasn't heavy enough to right it by myself
Yes, i now use a righting bag to make me heavier.
A bit more dangerous but desperate meassure could be to climb and eventually stand on the upper bow while holding the “tipping rope”, by doing this you will create a much bigger leverage what makes the job much easier, be careful to not fall on the boat though
I'd like to see that!
Now I know why they installed an upper mast flotation on later models........in high winds I'll sail with two people with righting rig at the ready .....thanks for the video
You're welcome!
As a sailor this video is my nightmare and my sleep paralysis demon
Did you try moving the main traveler all the way up?
Only about half way - something else to try next time. Thanks
HI Joseph, very good and useful video as always!!!!
Me and my friend do often solo sailing with our hobie 16 on a lake in south germany and came to same conclusion as you. I have 75kg, which is definitely not enough to right it up. So wedid firyt tests with a selfmade righting pole,but needs further improvement...
Another problem in our case is, the mast is leaky. So when the cat gets inverted the mast runs full with water, which adds weight at the end of the mastwhen righting it up again. I am skeptical to get the mast leakproof at all. So i was thinking to drill small holes at the mast top, to get the water out when capsized. Would be interested in your opinion on that, or how you get themast leakproof.
Thanks
For safety it's important to have a sealed mast. In my opinion, if you can't seal the mast you should fit a mast head float.
Putting holes in the top won't work as when the boat is on it's side the top of the mast is underwater.
What we do with our leaky masts is to drill a rivet out, fit a kite-pump and blow air into the mast whilst covering all of the fittings with soap to find out where the air is escaping. We then seal the leaky fitting with Sikaflex.
@@JoyriderTV Hi Jo, thanks a lot for the advice !!
@@diefreundedersteifenbrise2325 Had same issue. My first boat mast leaked but only when under tension and fully rigged. It used to fill up with water when submerged and rigged but not when dunking by hand while de-rigged. Oddly I could not empty the darn thing after a session since once de-rigged it seemed to seal itself. I ended up de-riveting the mast head and filling with a little expanding foam as the internal sealing cup had deteriorated, I riveted it back using sealant around the rivets (did not have rivet sealing caps) did the same with the mast tang. This did the trick. If I lived in the US I would have purchased a replacement mast seal cap and closed rivets.
There is a much easier way..used to right mine at 120lbs as a kid all the time..1) fix permanant righting line, with availability of enough slack that runs bow to stern from tramp strut to strut.2) drape line over outside of hull that youre lifting ( it should form a bow that you can hold onto while standing on inside of lower hull)3) release all sheets 4) orientate tramp so wind is pushing tramp in righting direction..( you seem to be fighting wind in this video) 5) hike out standing middle of hull using weight...it will come back to you easily...did it all the time as a 14 year old 120lb kid...
thanks for the tips Mike, i'll be giving this a try!
Where is this sailing holiday place? I used to have a Hobie 16 when I was a teen.
Wildwind, Vassiliki, Greece
Joseph Bennett we just watched your video and we recognized the place. We love Lefkada so much! Thank you for your video! :)
Нужно иметь 10ть 10 литровых мягких(из бризента) емкостей для воды. Если перевернулся. Подвешиваешь их к верхнему поплавку, они дополнительно давят на нижний и центр ияжести опускается ниже = будет проще перевернуть катамаран solo.
Еще можно натянуть кусок паруса на каркас и создать дополнительную силу для переворота.
Все это мало займет места и веса.