HOW TO TUNE in Forza Horizon 4 | OP Car Tutorial (Upgrades & Tuning)
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- How to tune in Forza Horizon 4? In this FH4 tuning tutorial / guide I'm showing you how you successfully build and fine-tune your car so that you improve your personal tuning skills with the help of these tips. As the Ford GT is the best overall S1 Class car I decided to make it our project car. Which settings make it so OP? Don't forget to like, subscribe and click the bell. :)
Special thanks to GTz Marple and GTz LiQuiD for supporting me!
Best S1 Class Cars video: • TOP 10 BEST S1 CLASS C...
Spreadsheet with the best Forza Horizon 4 and Forza 7 cars and tunings: docs.google.co...
Facebook: / thegaminglibertines
Twitter: / attax_johnson
Discord: / discord
XBL Gamertag: aTTaX Johnson
Forza Horizon 4 Club: Johnson Racing [JOR]
Chair: GT Omega Pro Series Black/White
Microphone: Blue Yeticaster
Webcam: Logitech C920
Gameplay Recording Device: Elgato HD60
Console: Xbox One X
Thanks to "Scholesy46" for my channel graphics! Check him out, he deserves it: / scholesy46
I really hope this helps a lot of people. Don't hesitate to share it with your friends! :) Special thanks to Marple, LiQuiD and Nalak for always helping out with the tunes.
Thanks, definitely helps. I've been doing a couple things very wrong.
sounds great. :)
Don't you mind about translations to other laguage?
great stuff!
thanks for this fabulous tutorial, but there is a slight disagreement about the race transmission. The ability to adjust every gear could let us make sure that each gear covers the full rpm range when the engine producing relative high torque, especially for those turbo charged engine that lose some torque at very high rpm. Thus, that would give the best acceleration the car can have.
My notes from this vid, feel free to copy:
Pretty low pressure (1.0 - 1.6)
Reducing camber front - better turn in. The more downfirce, the less. Tune for understeer.
Reducing camber rear - more traction out off slow corners, instability in faster, longer turns.
More toe out front - Turn in more extremly.
More toe in rear - Better stability.
Higher caster normaly. (6.0 - 7.0)
For bad turning cars, low caster.
Softer roll bar, more grip = worse turning mid-corner.
Very soft front, very hard rear
Oversteer, struggling out of turns, stiffer front springs, soften rear. Use pretty soft settings.
Softer front than rear with most AWD.
More grip in a turn - lower bump setting.
Increase for mid corner.
Oversteer turn-in, stiffen front bump/soften the rear. Normally pretty low.
Rebound stiffer than bump.
Lower front rebound - rendency to oversteer turn-in, less oversteer exiting turns. Opposite for rear.
More downforce front - tendency to oversteer.
More rear - more understeer, but better for mid and high corners.
Normally very high front downfoce, and very low rear.
A little more breaking to rear for stability.
In forza, high acceleration = better mid-cornering
thx man
ty
Ty
ty
Patryk co ty gadasz
14:58 Tires
16:58 Camber
17:48 Toe
18:25 Caster
18:57 Anti-roll bars
19:44 Springs
20:17 Ride height
20:46 Bump stiffness
21:19 Rebound stiffness
21:56 Aero
22:57 Brakes
23:22 Diffs
Thank you
🐐
Did he said 20%?
Why does is say psi for me ?
Amazing, this is the fourth Tuning tutorial i've seen from four different people, and none of them agrees on even a single tuning setting. I don't know who to believe anymore.
Not gonna lie, I absolutely bought a ford gt and followed along. I have to say the finished product is without a doubt, the best race vehicle I've ever had in horizon 4. You absolute mad lad.
That's great to read my friend :)
The sesto elemento is the best race car
@@rdgproductions3526 I doubt
50 IQ: Uses 200 brake pressure for more instant response when pressing the brakes.
200 IQ: Uses 200 brake pressure so their finger doesn’t get as tired.
Reasonable pro tactics there. :D
I play keyboard and for me having it on 200 makes it impossible to break without locking the tires, since when i break its either 100% of the force or 0
@@tryharderpls how do you play a racing game with a keyboard 🙄
@@sategllib2191 Idk i also have a word record on dirt 4 if you look at my channel (:
Zittam xd biggest flex of 2019
So, what I'm seeing here is that I need to ignore most real world settings to get fast in game... Makes perfect sense....
Typically for Horizon games, i mean.. you're faster in an Offroad race with a full on racecar than with an Offroader..
@@J.C_04 naaaah, S1 Baja for the win
@@J.C_04 Not always my S1 Trailcat Slaps
Mr. Johnson fr. things a beast with the racing v8
@@jak3est he doesnt have the assists on tho he shows his settings
for me the issue isn't what any of these real settings change. it's how the game values them. and it's forza so forget what you know about real life tuning and learn how the game works and time according to it. great video but damn. so many flaws in my tunes because it's a video game
Yep, don't tune your cars like you would in real life. Glad you like the video. :)
Yeah. If you want more realistic tuning there's Assetto Corsa and iRacing.
@@QuickQuips what are those
Devin Wilkes they're actual racing sims, it's worth looking into if you'd like a more realistic experience
@Frak Cadillac ngl it looks like automobilista..but terrible😂
As a player who spent several hundred hours into tuning, this video is really surprising especially about the tire pressure and front accel differential. Would definitely test them in-game. Thanks so much for sharing your precious experiences.
Happy to share my experience. :) Trsut me, you're not the only one who finds this surprising. :)
Johnson Racing Thanks for your reply. I have wanted to make a tuning video like you for a long time but not very confident about my knowledge. Now I found many consensus from your video and feeling that the time I put into research was not wasted.
Unfortunately, after nearly two hours of test, the 100% front accelerate diff lock is proven to be beneficial for FWD cars but I have failed to notice significant difference for AWD cars in terms of lap time and steering feeling. I personally still prefer a very low value based on my past tests and experiences. This difference of result could be caused by two possibilities: I am a keyboard player so extremely sharp steering could lead to suddenly losing front grip, and or I am not used to these settings as 100% front lock made some of my AWD cars spinning front wheel out of corner.
I have 100% rear accelerate diff lock for months already, it’s good as long as your car has sufficient rear grip exiting slow corners. But not suitable for all cars as some car with high RADL value tend to power slide out of slow corners, such as Nissan GTR BNR33.
An interesting fact is, a 75%+ rear biased power distribution can improve mid speed cornering significantly and should be considered prior to the front differential locks. It makes your car behave more like RWD cars at the cost of the stability when accelerate out of low speed corners, I have to step on gas a bit later. I personally believe this is more related to your driving style and the track. Mid~high speed tracks would favor more rear biased power distribution, vice versa.
All in all, thanks for your generosity to share. For how much I am not interested in meta gaming, knowledges that can find and improve other non-meta cars are precious.
Editing: After further test, me and my friends found that high value for front accel diff on mid and rear engine car is good, while if a car has it's most amount of weight placed on the front axel, a low front accel diff value would be better.
Even as an experienced player I don't always know how to make my car's OP, this is an incredibly well appreciated effort! 👊
Happy to help bro 👊
same bruh
Ah, something we’ve all been waiting for, awesome
That's great to read!
Being a tuner for my own cars for over 3 years and counting, I learned some great tings in this video and I was definitely impressed, great job buddy and amazing job :)
Thanks Apollo :)
One thing I'd like to know is good tuning for classic cars that don't change the way they look. I know it sounds silly but I don't like my Bel Air with massive spoilers and chunky ass bumpers. And I like to keep the white wall tyres.
I don't know a whole lot about tuning, very little really. It would be nice to just have an A class car with no body mods on it.
It's not silly, Hooned out Bel-Airs make me sad.
then just go for it -> in a class you can do pretty much whatever you want and win with little problems if you know what youre doing bc most peeps dont know what theyre doing.
in a-class you dont need awd or engine swaps, every sensible car will be usable without those modifications.
no body mods is something i actually rarely do but that lies within my choice of cars -> the lancia 037 and stratos just want their rally-bodykit, the rx7 loves the factory widebody etc. but i dont do rocketbunny or forza aero, that just looks dumb imo and forca aero makes you slower in a-class bc you dont need it at all
Its always funny to see me drag racing with my Plymouth Fury, who just kills everyone but all the while looking as innocent and beautiful as 1950s car looks:)))
Don’t have cars you just cruise in? Lol all of them shouldn’t be fast as hell
@@TheLifeOfQuaa I've got too many I can just cruise in.
Custom Vehicle Upgrades
1:09 - Engine & Swaps
3:49 - Aspersion Swaps
4:38 - Aero & Appearance
5:45 - Tires & Wheels
7:14 - Drivetrain
9:02 - Platform & Handling
12:26 - Engine Components
13:07 - Wheels & Size
Absolutely what I've been waiting for. Not "how to tune a car" but how to tune a car IN FORZA. Great work buddy, glad you's are a part of the racing community.
Happy to help mate. :) I also saw that the lack of this topic and decided to give it a try. happy it turned out that helpful. :)
@@Johnson_Racing :)
Everything I've learned about tuning cars from other games-
FH4- Well yes, but actually no
dlaldlaldla nutsntnstn Then it’s a good thing I have no clue on any games 😂
I personally try to avoid engine and awd swaps, because they usually ruin the fun of racing.
I like engine swaps, but awd is pure awful
@@NPCDCBA New-ish to forza here, what's the hate for AWD swaps?
TheHansFather it generally takes less skill and is faster. People see it as cheating, and wish more people would learn how to drive with rwd.
@@thehansfather282 it kills the soul of a car. An awd corvette isn't a corvette in the same way a rwd impreza isn't an impreza.
@@manlymantis101 yeah its disgusting. But man does it feel good to beat awd morons in rwd cars that wants to kill you :D
I build my cars based on these things :
-power and speed
-handeling
-ease of driving
-long term usage (bassicly sound related)
I don't really look at weight since weight reductions are rather opurtinities instead of necessaties.
I rarely engine swap since... Well I sometimes call it a crime to change a good sounding engine. I would only consider engine swapping if it's absolutly necessary for the build I'm doing and if the engine I'm using to replace the old one is a logical change (for example putting a boxer engine in a BRZ and not putting in a viper v10 in a Ford GT...)
I do AWD swap however to make cars easier to drive since I need to be comfortable with the car in order to get myself confident and get most out of the car.
With long term usage, it's mostly about the engine sound. If I'm going to main a car, I need to be able to listen to it for a long period of time since bad sounds can really put me of and annoy me. This is where engine swapping could help.
The reason why I don't do "OP strategies and meta building" is because of an experience I had in a game called Yu-Gi-Oh duel links. Once I started playing ranked pvp with my own deck, I started winning a lot... Eventually my need to win became so big I turned extremely upset when I made a mistake or when someone was using meta cards and strategies against me... I took it to serious. My love of the game vanished because I wanted to win. And from that moment, I swore to only play games the right way : the way YOU want to play.
Great comment! I like the way you think 👍
---great advice but here your missing out on alot and severely limiting yourself but hey ---
I dont even use awd at all. I think its purely disgusting. It makes the game trivial to the point that you barely even need to put in any skill and you still win.
Example. Im driving my 1100bhp p1. The thing wheelspins and wants to kick its tail out at any given opportunity. And im controlling it and stopping it from taking me f lying off the track, controlling its torque and wheelspin to keep it in the track. Now compare this to morons who barely have to try with awd, yet they have the same chance, if not more chance ofwinning as me... how tf is that fair?
@@nath7486 spinning ain't winning. Sometimes I get tired of having to control the car constantly while racing so making it awd helps greatly.
@@Roystothecoolkid thats why, you dont spin? feather the throttle and you get amazing acceleration...
Thanks so much for this guide! I turned my GEN1 Ford GT into a Class S1 king and I did the same with some of my other S2 cars, using this video as a guide.
Now, time for the tuning guides for other classes!
Really happy that it's helpful for so many people. :) Doing this in different class es could be something for the future. :)
*doesnt install racing brakes*
Proceeds to tune brake setup
Me: visible confusion
It has sport stock
Most of my private tunes, I do offroad builds that usually stomp the people I'm racing against. But you helped me understand more about being able to make a road racing/street racing build. Also, can confirm, this GT build is pretty op.
Do you know how to make a 2wd offroad car stomp people? Or are only awd heavy enough to stomp effectively.
Offroad builds are definitely slightly different and I'm glad the video helped. :)
@@Johnson_Racing I wont use these tricks like the ARB and diff stuff cause it it like black magic to me.
@@WynnofThule AWD is the only way to win any offroad races.
@@Johnson_Racing, well offroad vehicles are my expertise lol. I've made some S1 offroad monsters that gap the Rebel TRX on any track, but sadly I don't share because no one uses my tunes anymore. :/
Bookmarking this. Sweet video, very easy to understand and I like how you applied it to an actual car, showing all the tuning setups, so that you can follow along and get a better understanding of how the tuning options work. Keep it up!
This might work for cars like the tz2 and the 05 GT, but for most cars on this game putting all the downforce in the front maxed, and the downforce in the rear at minimum, it causes the back of the car to lift of the ground a whole lot. Same thing by putting the rear antiroll bars maxed and the front at minimum, even if you put the front at 15 and the rear at 50 it's still going to cause the car to lift off the ground. Theres no responsiveness to these tunes I've tried, with the true pressure 20 psi or lower , with everything else you're doing to the car , you're going to basically just be sliding all over the place while somewhat sticking to the ground, but it makes for a very unstable and unpredictable car. The Ford gt and tz2 need a ton of oversteer and turn in ability naturally. Tried this method on 3 other cars and tweaked it and it doesnt work well..
I created a gtr 95 nismo A class tune that destroys all those popular tz2 tunes on online racing..
I'm not trying to hate I just think you should specify that these numbers need to be tweaked a whole lot for other cars..
I would love to see some other tunes you have and the numbers you have on them. I'm just trying to understand your process!
Thanks for the video.
I must fully agree with this comment. It's one thing making OP car even more OP, and entirely different thing is to try these values on my renault megane 2018. It's sliding all over the place, antiroll bars help a bit, but still i feel it's a LOT work to be done. Any pointers from more experienced tuners then me on such topic? :)
I feel gimped as FWD, and want to swap to AWD.
Alot of this guide is total nonsense...
This for me is your best greatest video. I wish ud made it a couple months after the game was launched. It would of helped me not make so many tuning mistakes ive made lol.
Hehe, better late than never I guess? :D You're right, I should have done it a bit earlier, but now the insight is better. :)
U learn from those mistakes, im glad i never had help back when FH2 first released.
@@assassinkhazix3668 this is the only forza game ive really struggled on with handling. The other games to me the cars where motr neutrel less fidgity
@@Brozay401 ive also noticed this but then i think back to FH3 and remember cars like the Zonda R and F50GT and im glad i don't have to tune them like that again. As for driving as whole in this game i did prefer 3s system im not quite sure what it is the physics changed not harder but also not easier.
@@Johnson_Racing if 8 is the best number for handling on S1 cars whats the number for handling on A class cars?
This is legit the best explanation I've seen in twenty years of gaming. My sons an aspiring gamer. I'll be showing the way
Why’d I just now see this video after learning how to do it with hours and hours of trial and error 😂😂could’ve saved me soo much time
But now you're an expert as well. ;)
Thank you !!! Ive been using this car for s1 since I got the game and its been winning me almost all my races in s1
That's great to read, glad you like it. :)
I use the car information page, t on keyboard, to view the active camber, and I go for a drive. I make sure the wheels reach about -.2 camber around corners, and I set the down-force to what inorefer first. That way the wheels provide max surface area around the corners
no idea how he made a 20 min long vid about tuning without mentioning the telemetry screen once
Right into my favourite videos playlist 🤩
Nooooice :)
I recently learned that there are secret parts that give crazy high boost numbers. I had to rethink a few of my AWD TwinT Drag tunes. For example the Supra RZ has a notorious 1600bhp single turbo build. I gave that engine my usual work, and it took about .1 of a second off my 0-60 time. .1 is small, but when the 0-60 time was already 0.9, it was significant to me.
Good summary of piecing together a build from one of the fastest racers. For anyone a bit thrown off by the values used here...there's no denying Johnson makes them work well. But using realistic tuning values is still a solid approach in FH4, and especially fun to drive with a wheel and/or no assists. The car just needs to be tuned to itself properly, which is challenging to do by hand.
You just want them to buy your trash calculator hard pass
My current tuning method is the Hoshi Hoki method. It gave me some very nice results so far. Gonna try out some do those tips and see if they help though.
Marik I have mixed some Hoshi and Johnson. Its working for me.
Thanks for the video man was having problems with my anti roll bars setting but now I know what I need to do
1/65 ftw :D
Thanks for the tips, most tutorials tend to blow right past points that are obvious to the teacher but not the student. It help clarify queries that arise in practice :)
Wow, this is cool. I have been racing since 2017, just for little while. Most of the time I had to upgrade most of my cars to race better, but until tune-up my cars I was struggling to win. With tune-up my cars have better control with the increased hp. I like your videos. I learned a lot what I’m doing wrong on FH3. I was figuring out as I go but my first video opened for your site, like yours and many more others like too. Good solid information for users like myself. I like to share my learning with the community too. Thank you!
Good video 👍 only thing that was missed out is the importance of camshaft upgrades (trust me on this it’s THE performance upgrade to have)
Wrong 🤡
Really helpful video! Thanks for the community service! :)
You're welcome friend :)
As someone who has done some tuning IRL, I’m cringing at Forza’s settings.
But this is interesting. I’m gonna have to pull a few of my recent tunes using a different method and try your method. Then see how they work against one another on times on tracks.
Looking forward to hear the result. :)
Think i'll just download tunes insted from now. Didn't know thay had messed up this bad when coding the tuning of cars in this game. Thank god i found this video.
I cant thank you enough. I followed your tips and took a Lotus Elise from pure junk to something I cold actually drive.I just started H4 and the learning curve is high. I have never been able to drive with a controller so I suck. That said after the I have won races with the Lotus and I think my Ford GT might be better. Again--Thanks.
Thanks for the great video. I've been working on my tuning and this will help greatly. I'll still download your tune as well. :D
A man of culture! :D
subbed a while back but havent seen your videos in ages. Saw this in my feed and boy solid video man, I need to catch up on your videos now!
Watch them all now! :P
Bro thank you so much for this tutorial it is legit one of the best if not the best tutorials for FH4 fine tuning!! Much much appreciated! You explain very well!!
Glad it helped!
@@Johnson_Racing would you be interested in making a fine tuning guide for the Aventador? I looked through your channel videos and couldn't find one dedicated to it :( could only find one of the McL P1 vs S2 class but that isn't as in depth as this for tuning..
Best tuning video for fh4 that I could actually understand thanks!
Happy to help buddy :)
@@Johnson_Racing :)
I will never download a tune that includes forza wing...
will depend on car & class
Yep. Most wing/spoiler options are horrible looking. I'd rather have a slow car than an ugly car.
@@commietearsdrinker lol same
3:01 when compare the AWD x RWD you need to install race transmission and race clutch on both you can't compare the super slow 5 speed+ overdrive of the GT with the race transmission that comes with drivetrain swap + on Manual transmission cars like Ford GT even If you Max upgrade the transmission gear shift still a little slower than gear shift of drivetrain swap
2:55 its just a fact, its less weight but less grip, less stability and terrible launch losing like 2 second burning tires instead of race
-AWD swap on mid/rear engine cars most times lower PI (lower more on semi/automatic transmission cars like every modern supercar)
-wider rear tires lower PI on AWDs while increase grip and stability
-Rally/Drag tires cost less PI on AWD than RWD(which makes no sense)
-Race Spoiler lower PI on AWD and this don't make sense because its a huge increase on stability(just lower downforce to minimun)
-Start of race give a very big advantage for AWDs
-The streets are full of stuff that fuck the RWD/FWD race, sidewalk and all this destructive stuff are 2WD killer
-About leaderbords the only RWDs on top i remenber are F40 on S2 and Monaco on S1(a piece of shit its literally a 1100 HP 1000 lb with no grip and massive acceleration) and online If theres a fast AWD that IS also a speed tune Mônaco will lose, on S1 you can use a Focus RS to beat a monaco and most cars can beat the F40C on S2
For you who want to compare drivetrains thats simple
Always upgrade to race transmission, race clutch, biggest rear tire and race spoiler
really good tutorial really gave a good understanding of how to tune the car to the best of its abilities which I what I want while racing, so thanks a lot it helped me out a lot
My way of tuning isn't too far off from what you guys have, the biggest difference is my front differential setting is normally at 0, also the crazy anti-roll bar setting. After I bought the game over a month ago (my first Forza game) I was getting frustrated until I started slowly realizing the tuning in this game makes no sense. I'm normally pretty fast at most racers and couldn't believe how off pace I was, but, guides like this help a lot and I will certainly be using these settings for base tunes, thanks man.
Happy to help mate. :) That's a lesson we all had to learn in the beginning. :)
thanks for making me feel like i totally failed since i started playing forza back in the days . also thanks for helping me understand how that stuff works
Wow this so incredibly different from how I tune. Going to have to try it out tonight. See which I'm faster with. Thanks man!!!
Looking forward to hear about the results. :)
@@Johnson_Racing Well, thank you very much for sharing and for all the work you guys put into figuring this all out. Only had time to test with one car on 3 courses and no fine tuning. I was anywhere from 2 to 3.5 seconds faster!!! Car used was a 2018 Aston Martin Vantage. Not an OP car but I love it. The only problem I have now is, I have 80 cars to re-tune lol
That's very cool to hear mate :)
@@Johnson_Racing Finally got to do some further testing and ends up. That it was upgrading that was holding me back. Now I'm dead even using either method. I do find how I tune to be more stable all around but that's just because it's better suited to how I drive.
this is really helpful man, I love how so many of your videos are made to help us. keep up the good work
Always happy to help :)
----ARB 0/65 is a setup that has proven to work across every forza game to date ..its such a common setup its become known as .....wait for it...." the forza split "----
As a FM 1-7 player.. this resembles FM2 the most setup wise. I appreciate the tutorial.. I was having a hard time breaking the habits from FM. Looking forward to testing this out tonight.
TXR Travesty
That's what we also thought when we made the video. :D FM2 peaks around the corner. :)
Johnson Racing it’s extremely similar and i know the FM2 tunes inside and out
Thumbs up, dude!
best tutorial I've came across regarding this subject. Many thanks!
Great video. It was very close to the setups I work into. Great job Johnson.
Nice, that's cool. Seems like you know what you do. ;)
@@Johnson_Racing ;)
The music you have in the background is the least intrusive and obnoxious I've heard I think ever, kudos on the choice, it reminds me of GT4
Thanks buddy. It's not that easy to find decent music in the TH-cam library. :D
@@Johnson_Racing :D
The antiroll bars saved my life
It is actually a professional thing to set your front camber to -5° and back to -1.5° if it's AWD, if it's RWD then -5° -1.5 (it helps with handling)
Thanks man. With that 1 - 65 roll bar setting my AWD Veneno is finally not and understeering brick anymore.
Vielen Dank mein Bester ;)
This is hands down the most fun racing game I’ve ever played. I wish it got more traction I still play it all the time. I hope the next title blows up and you release a lot more content this vid was great thank you :)
One year later FH5 blows up, you ready?!
Thanks for the extremely helpful video! Do you have recommended starting values for the roll bars and differential for RWD builds? Or better yet do you have videos planned for FWD/RWD tuning tutorials, rally & cross-country etc?
Glad it helps! :) I'd say if videos like this one are still interesting for many people, I'm gonna make a follow-up for different purposes.
@@Johnson_Racing hey Johnson, did you ever make a video for RWD? This video has helped me a bunch in FH5. Cheers
Yay this is awesome, I suck at tuning but not as much now.
Happy to help bro :D
With Springs, dampers, sway bars, toe and differential i just tried and see what did handle best. Change one thing, test-drive and repeat until i find the best.
with camber i set it up so that after a few laps the tire inside, middle and outside have the same temperature in the telemetry (Wich should mean that whole tire is being used)
but now i know that Forza horizon 4 is not very realistic when it comes to the car's setup and i will start to try things that would be weird in reality.
The transmission i always set the first gear so that the car get just a little bit wheelspinn at launch (So that it isn't turning it's power into a smoke show that doesn't get you anywhere) then i change the last gear until i reach the highest top speed on the highway and then i put the gears so that after a shift i always land at the same rpm.
thanks johnson for your tutorial....finally i know how to tune the car......#subscribed
Just gonna say awd all wheel drive rwd rear wheel drive fwd front wheel drive, due to we all know there's gonna be a beginner to cars in general here and that person will be confused even tho its quite literally exactly how it is 😒
Anyways good video chap! I've been tuning a long time but I like to poke around and see different ways to tackle different things, u definitely had some strange ways to tackle certain problems, but that's why tuning is fun, its 80% personal, 10% skill, 10% luck.
They need to change the start of the race to a rolling start so AWD doesnt get a huge advantage every single time. I hate how everyone just does AWD on all their cars it makes it just arcadey and not fun imo. And personally usually I stay with the stock engine and tune it up with turbos etc to keep it more exciting and realistic unless I'm tuning a really low tier car for high tier or an offroad truck or something
It all makes sense now! great video
This video won me over, i am now a subscriber! I am also having an issue with controller setup. I use automatic now but want manual. However my controller won't let me set down gear to X, plus i'd rather use a wheel but controller works better, any videos on these two subjects?
Hi! Thank you i tried it and love it... I don't understand anything about cars tunes but your video is all i needed :)
Does it work on most cars?
That could help me tune my car is better cuz I'm not very good at tuning my cars but this video will help me
I would of never expected your tuning to be like that. For me it feels like your guys tunes are very loose which I would guess makes them fast.
In general I do everything mathematically. I'll take the weight distribution and multiple that by the max settings then add or subtract the same amount from both to find a base. Then from there fine tune to get the steering characteristics I like.
For example this is the tune I used for this weeks Trial.
911 GT3 RS 2016
I generally go with as much weight reduction as I can in S1 and S2 classes.
I went with the stock engine. Twin turbo upgrade. Basically I go with what ever engine gives me the best HP to weight or best HP/Torque to weight ratio.
The build ended up at
931hp
611 ft-lb
2981
41%
3996.
My fine tuning and I've struggled to get 911s tuned right is.
Tires 28. Psi
Gearing 3.90
2.45
1.88
1.48
1.16
.95
.78.
-camber -2.1 and -1.2
-2°front toe to help stabilize cornering
5.9 caster to make the car less twitchy
Roll bars 27.22 /36.84
Springs 751.2 /938.2
Ride height 3.7/4.5
Rebound 9.7/12.7
Bump 5.0/6.5
Areo 260lb front and 562 back
Breaks 55% 83
Diff
28%/15%
60%/25%
Center 65% rear.
I do some settings a bit differently cause I tend to allow my gearing slow me down a bit since I struggle to use a clutch on a controller.
I struggle most with breaking in hard breaking zones and with tires keeping contact during turns on unlevel ground. I found damping is what makes all the difference here.
My final performance is
0-60 1.893
0-100 4.062. Not the best for S2 l
Top speed 248
99.3
238.7
1 32
1.64.
I know the 911 is far from a great OP car but figured I'd use this weeks trial set up as an example how I tune.
Great effort here buddy! It's cool to see you putting so much effort into your tunings, but don't make it too mathematically as it doesn't really matter in FH4. :)
I also moved some of the braking to the back to help keep it from walking out and that seemed to help me with that car. I’m new to this and man I was frazzled trying to get that car half way stable without driving it like a glass house 😂. Since then I can hammer the brakes without it sliding out while barely tapping brakes in the corners like it was stock. I accomplished the trial with just suspension and braking after messing with it for hours of trying to figure out camber and braking aspects that finally didn’t make it react like a tilt-a-whirl ride!
You're applying real life physics to a War Thunder of sim racing, physics are fucked in Forza, the above settings are a result of simplifications going too far and producing singularities in the physics engine.
@@Johnson_Racing :)
Hey, thanks man for the tutorial, ive got my first podium in my aston with your tuning advice. Again, thankyou.
Now I can finally tune some of my own cars 😂
Looking forward to try some of these. :D
feuerrmFilms HokiHoshi has a great series on tuning cars to check him out
@@gabrielmanly5268 They're informative but his drifting tuning guide is completely wrong.
I had no clue you did fh4 vids! I thought you did a8 and a9
After using YOUR "s2 Handling" tune for Senna i became a believer... I had no idea a tune could improve SO MUCH a car. Thanks for sharing so much with the community
Ich bin verwirrt. Das tutorial widerspricht dem was ich bisher in anderen Forza Tuning videos gelernt habe xD Ich weiß nicht wem ich vertrauen soll. :'D
z.B: HokiHoshi's Tuning video, er erklärt das Tuning von Federung / Stabis / Dämpfern mit ner Formel.
really informative video! glad i found it to help me with my tuning!
Helping everybody!
Only for you :P
@@Johnson_Racing ;p
btw i don't know if anyone mentioned this but the braking force distribution is actually backwards (e.g. Moving the slider to the "rear" actually increases the braking pressure to the front).
Yes, you're right! Another setting where Forza is broken. We learned about that bug about one week after we uploaded this video unfortunately.
@@Johnson_Racing that is absolutely terrible smh.
@Johnson Racing : If you don't mind, I have several questions. Do you think the stock R33 brake is ok if I'm racing in A-Class and it has 53% (front) weight distribution? Also, what's your opinion on using drift suspension in racing scenarios? Wouldn't it offset understeer by increasing the turning angle and therefore be better than race suspension?
This tuning guide is craaaazyyyy... i watched sooo many different guides, but this one is by far the best. But one question, on cars where ypu should use the Forza Wings, does it make a big difference if you dont use them? Cuz they are just so ugly in most of the cases :D
Hey Johnson, I’m assuming the front should be stiffer than the rear for cars with more forward weight bias? Do the same tuning rules apply in that case? Im tuning a B class Evo. Amazing video nonetheless, I’m finally able to tune my own OP cars. :)
i start downloading OP tunes again... tuning cars on your own is so ridiculous with this settings. i could never set a rollbar to 1 and 65! also the tyre pressure... lol
that's ok :D
@@Johnson_Racing i tried the tune (changed a bit and not pressure at 1.0) on some s1 and s2 cars and they get better times... My tuning career is done... Wtf
What's up with these black magic setups like 15:10, 19:31 and 23:33? C'mon I dont want to do these things.
Join our dark side, we have Baileys.😎
@@Johnson_Racing Do you have anime?
Kidzspeed5 we have weebs
The tire pressure and differential and soft suspension ins't news for me thats what i always used on my RWDs since FH3 but this rollbar WTF(but this trick dont work on RWD lol)
Thank devs for realistic physics.
Turn radius is increased with rally suspension. Havent tested drift suspension. Springs wont b as stiff on the rally when using them for an understeer heavy vehicle but can compensate in other settings.
Rally - 65 degrees, and drift is 70 degrees
3:00 And the A double D swap lol (add) :D:D:D
Btw thanks for the guide, was looking forward to exactly that.
Cause i came from racing simulations like Assetto Corsa and it is weird that i need to learn tuning again in horizon 4.
I guess I slurred the "u" :D
I used this on my ZL1 2017 Camaro and it works out! Still getting used to it haha but I like it! Any tips for getting better and turning and making the most efficient turns and exiting quickly out of them?
Nice job on this video
One thing I hate about Forza is how if you download a build and apply it you can't go in and just look at the settings or whatever since it'll remove it if you do. The build I put on my GT has 5 stars, but I'd like to see what exactly they did
Nice video, I tune pretty close to what you have. I learned it all by working sometimes a full day on a tune. And some cars I've went back and worked on more as I learned more. It's pretty depressing when you work that hard on tunes and share them and go back and look and 0 people use them. I have worked my ass off to get to rank 4 tuner. And I look at some that share tunes as soon as cars come out and auto get 5 stars and a shit load of downloads. My self if I want to drive a car and not tune it I look for low rank tuners and find one just as good. But i'm done ranting. lol Good vid, just wanted to see how much different mine was. pretty close to yours,
Und wehe, das fonktioniert nicht. Dann komm ich wieder und lass den Daumen trotzdem oben. ;)
Hast Glück gehabt. Funktioniert super. Danke👍
I real life it's about what upgrades you can afford. So normally it's the fuzzy dice and a Wunderbaum and that's it. Here's it's about min-maxing the numbers so that you get the best advantages without going over the class limit. I hate that in games. :(
I usually tune my car realistically and still get podiums regularly
Yup. The way its shown in this video causes the back end of a car to lift off the ground so much. Unless it's an 05 ford gt, or tz2, or some other car that is naturally stiff and long and low to the ground. This set up would not work at all on most cars, or in other words there are alot of other set ups that are better
Great vid Johnson! You could make one for Winter/Off road tuning aswell
Happy to help!
Surprisingly sometimes the build makes the car a rally car too.
I'm really curious if those in your community adjust their advanced controller settings and want they maybe. That has a lot to do with how a tune works for each individual. I have mine set to be highly sensitive which is probably why I've struggled with some of the tunes you guys use.
I dont recall what they are exactly but I wanna say both my acceleration and braking are set to 15/30 and my steering is set to 20/40. 50.
I don't really feel a huge difference if I compare the stock settings to the ones in my controller settings video when I use our tunes. :)
Great video, mate.
Glad you like it mate. :)
Can you offer any explanation for why these things are so wildly different and even backward from real life setups?!?
Engine/drivetrain/aspiration swapping are the least PI efficient upgrades you can get on a car, unless you're jumping from A to S2 for instance or you have PI to burn - avoid that whole tab
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried...
I just joined the choir singing the joy of the Gospel Of Spud Johnson 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾😆😆😆
thanks for this fabulous tutorial, but there is a slight disagreement about the race transmission. The ability to adjust every gear could let us make sure that each gear covers the full rpm range when the engine producing relative high torque, especially for those turbo charged engine that lose some torque at very high rpm. Thus, that would give the best acceleration the car can have.
Sure, it definitely increases the performance of your car. Most of the time, the performance/ cost ratio isn't worth it though. :)