I started loading for the .45ACP back in 1968. That cartridge has always been loaded well below it's potential. After reading Dean Grennell's article back in 1988 I started experimenting with higher pressure loads. I knew of some work dome by the lads in Canada using cut down 308 brass, they called it the .45-08, which turned into the original .45 SMC. The factors that make the 1911 a reliable defense weapon are also the weak points for high pressure loadings. My early experiments with a relatively unaltered series 70 Colt, using Unique, once fired military brass and a 200 gr. bullet topped out at 1200 fps. There were definite pressure signs. I also did some work with the RCBS 270SAA bullet (290 gr, in my alloy) those were a real handful to shoot. They did produce good accuracy out to 100 yards. I was shooting those through an AMT Hardballer, with a buffer and 24# recoil spring, again using once fired military brass. I got old and did not enjoy the recoil as much, I backed down to a 240 Keith SWC over 6 gr. of Unique, around 900 fps, in my old Colt. That load will shoot through deer like they are made of cardboard, and the SWC makes a good clean hole. Great videos, I have always thought that the .45 with better loadings was superior to the 10mm for woods carry. Thanks for your efforts.
I utilize an HG 210 gr bullet at 900 fps as my go to bullet nowadays Agreeing with you-these types of lead bullets will pass thru most animals we will encounter This Kimber has allowed me to go where previous Colts and Springfields could not Chamber support and controlling slide speed has always been the conundrum. Thanks for sharing your post It does me good to know there are fellow 45ers still supporting there passion
My favorite bullet for the .45ACP is the H&G 68, my mold is very old I bought it 40 years ago, average weight from my mold is 197-200 gr. depending on alloy. I use the Lyman manual loading for their similar bullet, 7.5 gr. of unique, just over 900 according to the manual, but 1050 fps ave., according to my chronograph out of my AMT. I recently bought the Lee truncated cone bullet advertised at 230 gr., mine always seem to come out closer to 240 gr. Accuracy is quite good with that bullet. I found an old video put out by Rowland when he started marketing the .460 he also had a Kimber. I really enjoyed the videos, perhaps one about hunting with the .45.
@@johnclark5695 there will be a hunting vid this year My Lee 230 gr TC also casts at about 240 with wheel weights-great bullet My HG 68 is a clone mold manufactured by Arsenal-it is a 5 cavity set up and works great-I mix a little tin to get good sharp edges I load it on a Dill SDB press with 5 gr of Titegroup which Burns very clean All in all my best all around load I recently have been showing ridiculous accuracy in my SW pro series with an Accurate Mold 4 cavity HG 130 clone Tom-the machinist has the best quality I have witnessed to date with his molds They are mirror images of one another
@@stuckcase7775 The sharp edges is what makes the SWC so effective, handgun hunting is mostly about hemorrhage leading to rapid blood loss . My other H&G mold is a 4 cavity the drops a 238-240gr. SWC, I shot at a nice little mule deer buck one morning, I saw a big puff of dust behind the deer and thought I had under shot, the deer ran about 15 yards and went down in a pile, dead when he hit the ground. That 240 SWC punched right through. The load was 6 gr. of Unique.
Im 200 rounds into my load development for my home built 460 Roland. Swenson comp barrel, 24 pound spring and a #4 link on a Rock Island frame. Ive got exactly the same results as you with primers and cases. After initial development running the 200 grain hard cast semi wad cutters up to 1490 fps with 11.9 of Longshot and getting buldged cases i decided to back off. I'm satisfied on using exclusively small primer range pickups with CCI SP primers and 11.1 of Longshot with the same bullets. 1400 fps with over 800 ft/lbs of energy is plenty for me and will add to the life of the frame. Side note DO NOT use nickle cases. Every one i used cracked. Also just like you my cases will be one and done. Another helpful thing i found using these hard casts is I run them through a sizing die with the decapping pin removed on the last stage in my turret press. Im also goung with a Wilson combat mag as the the skide can out run the last couple of rounds in the mag
@@stuckcase7775 I'm now 700 rounds down the pipe and found using small rifle primers with a 10.8 load of Longshot has virtually eliminated all the issues. Average velocity of these is 1360 fps. I also only use SP cases weighing greater than 91 grains and a heavy taper crimp in a carbide die is a must. The heavy spring was shoving the bullets into the case when feeding them. When I hit 1000 I'm going to blue print the gun to check how much wear I've put it through.
Keep them videos coming brother, nothing like a 1911 45 Acp round zipping out a 5 inch barrel like a scud missle! I'm not dropping a penny on a 460 conversion kit now, after seeing this. So many people I spoke too would all say it can't be done with the 45 Acp because of 10 thousand reasons "WELL" proof is in the pudding here, any more learning from ya would be well appreciated, I just started getting into reloading my own ammo for the 45 ACP, I need to make what your firing 💪🇱🇷 I'm in bear country an cougar country and 1400 f.p.s is well needed
@3.10 it came to 900 fpe. The second load, 215 grains came to around 923 fpe. The 210 load, came at around 930 fpe. Just wanted to add that the 45 Super operates at 28,000 PSI, the 40,000 you mention is 460 Rowland pressures (39,000 PSI).
Happy to see some new content! I'm working with a Glock 41 build that was inspired by your channel. Mostly cast bullets and 800x but also some heavy XTPs as well. Thanks for pushing that ragged edge! God bless.
When you up the pressure on regular ACP brass at around high-end pressures of up to 40,000 PSI even if it's working most 1911's don't have decent chamber support, this is obviously why super brass and 450 SMC with their thicker walls help pressure bulging, consider magnum rated primers, again smaller rifle primers like the 450 SMC use if possible, increased speeds of the slide is sometimes difficult to control with these higher pressures, often out pacing the magazine spring which you'll know, now slide speeds need to be reduced, start with an oversized flat firing pin stop/plate an increased main spring of 26-28 pounds, then a 26-28 pound recoil spring, it's no good shooting a 230 grain round ball down range at over 1400 FPS if it can't recycle reliably, 'YES' a compensator helps further reduce slide speed, which might add a further 1-2 inches on the overall-length of the pistol, 1911's weren't designed to handle these higher pressures, the Colt 1911 ACP was conceived as a 230 grain ACP ball moving at 800-870 FPS and extremely reliable, these higher 'Frankenstein' loads take away the reliability and functionality of this Brown's baby, I have always thought the 45 ACP standard is perfectly adequate in most situations, penetration sectional density can be a little problematic depending, windshields, wet rain coats, barrier penetration, is now been addressed with 45ACP Plus P and better super 45 and 450 SMC's they are the ultimate because they can run almost as reliable as standard 45 ACP pressures with the right springs and firing pin stop/plate, now consider the 'Winchester Magnum 45' with those wonderful 'LAR Grizzly 1911's' on steroids can handle a 230 grain at over 1800 FPS with hand loads and manufactured ammo 1600 FPS now, if LAR Grizzly started up again, then I reckon a lot of peoples peaked interest would be fueled. Good You-Tube podcast much enjoyed and a great sport for many.
You’ve said a bunch The best part is the journey Actually quantifying what your firearm can do Putting BS aside The design lends itself to a continuous battery of 600-700 ft lbs It can do more but requires work I shoot loads in the 600-700 ft lb range without much change in the gun It eats them like candy Ive lost count in the thousands on this pistol
Great video on the potential of the 45 ACP. Something thing not mentioned about the pistol used are the other mods made to it that make this possible. Using a flat bottom firing pin stop and a stronger hammer spring are a must. Somewhere around 25 to 28 pounds is ideal. Also a somewhat stronger recoil spring is necessary as well in addition to the compensator. This should be kept below 24 pounds to prevent excessive slide velocity when going back into battery. Too much slide velocity can lead to unreliable feeding and damage to the barrel feet. The beauty of the 1911 is being able to tune the gun to the performance level that suits you and its unequaled trigger. Keep up the great work 👍
All mentioned above have been and are necessary to get it to run I do have a few mags that cause some hiccups but I still run them Agreed with your statement on excessive slide speed and force on returning from battery Set back can cause more serious issues than lack of good chamber support My dealings have lead me to more attention to bullet design and bearing surface to help alleviate this issue. Thanks for you post I have covered my firearm mods in previous vids Be safe
@@stuckcase7775 Good point about bullet design and setback vs chamber support. I only make mention of the mods you made for the benefit of those who might not have seen your earlier videos. Your work on high performance 45 ACP/Super is greatly appreciated and unequaled in my opinion. 👍👍
@@Dennisthemenace40 it is a passion that I like to share with fellow enthusiasts Picked up a lot from friends and fellow reloader Some I learned unfortunately the hard way Thanks for the post Be safe God bless
Great work! I've been advocating for the Super over the 10mm for bear defense...we developed a 265gr hard cast @1150fps in a 5"1911 without a compensator, it works
That’s wheelhouse stuff there I have been non comping lately too It can be done-much depends on timing and powder selection Too slow and you get muzzle flash Too fast and you get pierced primers or worse
Very detailed and informative info, and good to know. Unless you buy loaded ammo, 45 Super brass is vaporware at present so it's good to know you can work up equivalent loads with Winchester brass, even if it's once and done. I am modifying a S&W 625 Mountain Gun to hunt with right now and I will have less worry about bulging or primer wipe. Even better. Thank you.
Keep in mind there is no breach face support on that mt gun Make sure your moon clips are all similar and flat Had a 625-2 many moons ago Learned quite a bit about the cartridge in wheel guns Pierced a lot of primers That 625 had the firing pin on the hammer Good luck
Hey Stuck Case you are on on fire. Sir you do a Dam good job. One thing to mention the 450 Smc brass from Double Tap is special its a small pistol primer pocket so its has an advantage in that we can use a small rifle magnum primer. The 450 Smc brass is as good as the 45 Super brass with the advantage of the small primer pocket. Great video!!!
Wow, no wonder the cases are "one and done". I barely got 1400 out of a supported-chamber .400 Cor-Bon barrel with a 130-gr cast bullet and Green Dot... but the brass is reuseable.
I bought 1000 Starline 45Super and 8lbs of Enforcer. I loaded 250 185jhp (1500fps). 100 200gr, 100 230gr and 50 255gr hardcast. The 230gr were 1250+fps. 255 were 1100fps. 26 pound spring for all from a Sig 1911
Love your videos!!! Brother! You and myself are the only people on commitube doing this and I've been to busy to do any. I like the SPP 45acp brass with CCI 400's or 500's. I've been looking for powder coated 185's and 200's and gave up on it... for now. Big fan of 800x!!! I wish that Hodgdon didn't discontinue it. What would you use instead of 800x. Blue Dot, Longshot, ???
I love getting 45 super cases just because you can get them nickel coated ,they feed a little better, the geometry is a little better than the 460r. I run about 11-12.5 gr cfe pistol on 185gr sierra sports master and get between 13-1500 fps
Dude this is exactly what I wanted to see what I always felt like could be done with the 45 ACP but the problem is the bullets aren’t designed to go that fast so they tear out to pieces so you could probably take a 460 jacketed bonded bullets and they would take that speed a little better probably but you were the first person I have ever seen that push that 45 ACP closer to what I thought it could do and also gets bigger around in a 10 mm I always thought that if you could get a 45 ACP up to 1350-1400 fps then that would be a way more powerful weapon that I’m not a millimeter could ever think about being
I don't know why, but Underwood and BB load 460R with .451 bullets, 230gn, and of course they don't do great. It's best to handload 45super yourself to any level you want with solid coppers. The .452 XTPs made for 454casull need more velocity than 45super can achieve at any level. Maybe the 240gr XTP might be the best for 45super at about 1300fps. Lehigh's are good, 135gr XDs are good up to 1700fps. 200gr XPs can go up to 1400fps. 255gr hardcast are best kept under 1200fps. Although, I am just talking about a 4.5" barrel.
@@stuckcase7775 I know, but there are some. I load 250gr XTP in 45super. They are .452 8grs of Longshot get me over 1100fps in my 4.5" KKM barrel The data I use was calling for up to 11grs at max load and doing near 1300fps. My G30S cant quite handle that just yet, or ever.
You have probably covered it but wouldn't the cci small pistol primers fair better as far as flow. My only concern is punching holes in the primer and gunking up the firing pin.
Use Fed Nickle Small Primer Pockets and Small Rifle Primers and problem solved for 45 Super + P. Avid user of 45 Super in Alaska with 250/255 for Bears at 700 FPE.
Ive settled in at the same very location. Around 700 fpe with a 260 gr LBT style bullet. No comp needed. Gun cycles well. Just about perfect for the platform.
Ive been shooting a modified 70 series colt. Clark compensated barrel with a fully supported chamber and heavy recoil spring. I use rifle primers on Roland power level loads. I use Alliant Power Pistol on all loads at Super & above. So far 230’s over 1300 fps and 185’s over 1550 fps. Both of these loads exceed 900 ft/lbs. I’ve been fine-tuning and testing with this pistol for about the last 8 years. I feel one key point is having a compensated barrel. It keeps gun locked a little longer to allow chamber pressure to drop before releasing. I chose this set up as it was what The 460 Rowland kits were using. I tried to duplicate as much as possible with out having the chamber reamed to accommodate 460 brass. I’ve been using quick load to estimate chamber pressures and I do usually stay under 35K as I feel the 40K loads in all but 185’s are just a little too hot. I don’t have 800X powder listed in quick load but there is an update that came out in Nov 2021. So I may have to check it out if it models better than power pistol Link to a Rainer 185 at 1500+ fps taking out a 5 gal water jug. Nasty effect on target. th-cam.com/video/NqLD061S_pQ/w-d-xo.html
There are lots of things you can do when you're making your own custom handloads and you know your own situation. 45 ACP is not loaded hot because there are standards for the cartridge and gun, and ammo companies have liability concerns.
You really have alot of great content for 45ACP+P / 45 Super on here thanks for posting. I was talking to Veral Smith of LBT molds and he was telling me as well there is no difference in a 45 or 460 pistol and you can take 45 to 460 Rowland levels. I notice a few of your loads you have 800X going....is it because its what you have - or is it a 'go-to' for you with 45 Super? I have CFE Pistol (nothing else has been available) on hand and about a half pound of Herco left. Herco has proven to be excellent with the little testing I've done, but again I'm pretty new to 45 Super loading so still trying to learn. Thanks again for posting!
800x will produce the highest results within the limits of the cartridge-in my experience It is no longer available however I cannot add in about CFE Pistol having never tried it I currently have 3 or 4 pounds of 800x left and use it for Super loads only I also have several pounds of blue dot and Titegroup Start at normal AcP levels with CFE and work your way up examining your brass Key to remember 50 fps in a cartridge is conversational-don’t let it get to you if you max out but accomplished your goal Enjoy the learning experience and carve your own path
Have you tried any 300 grain jacketed bullets out of the 45 super by any chance? I've got a 460 rowland coming and wanted to try reloading some 300grainers for it but since theres no data out there for it using 300 grains , just looking for apossible starting point. I've got power pistol , AAC-9, AAC-7, BLUE DOT AND BE-86 powders on hand . And speer gold dot 300 grain bullets. Thanks in advance
I have not I have read from other that have My research has concluded that optimum powder space, bullet weight, bullet design for the ACP case-is best to stay around 200-210 gr area Just my two cents A 200gr JHP or TC bullet with a stiff dose of AA9 or AA7 will put smiles on your face Puts meat in the freezer as well On a personal note-I can’t come to grips with the extra brass length on the Rowland. I understand the intent but it has limiting factors in terms of bullet design-placing the ogive past optimum crimp on some-good acp or super brass will get it done Thanks for watching Good luck Be safe
Super cool video. I appreciate the info. I really like to 10mm but my first love has always been the 45acp. A lot of the testing you are doing is stuff I've been thinking of for a long time. So I appreciate your efforts and putting it on video. The one question I have and glocktard touched on it briefly is do you think small primer brass would be a bit stronger. I'm afraid all 45acp will be small fairly soon
@@stuckcase7775 I bet it is. I have quite a bit of once fired s primer brass and have even thought of using small rifle primers. Just getting anything right now sucks I have me and it is kicking my ass right now. So that makes your videos that much more important to me. Thanks again brother
I know it's hard all I have is LRP I've been using in 10mm and 45lc. There is a differance, the way it feels to me with imr-blue is some ware between. .4 - 1grain of charge increases using the large rifle primer
I am interested in 45 super and you are by far the best resource I have found. Practical application, from what I have seen you are proving the Nay Sayers incorrect. I am curious why 800x? I have it but it is probably the worst metering powder I have every used so I dont use it. I dont have a problem weighing every load but it is terribly inconsistent in a Lee. I want to use Ramshot Silhoutte. Do you have any thoughts on that? Also, I am looking to achieve 10mm performance not get to what you are doing here. Excellent Videos!
Daaaammm...that is impressive...and makes me nervous actually. How can you get that kind of velocity? Please tell me you have or will do a load like this for 357 magnum....🙏
Cool video. I'm shooting the 45 super in a glock 21. 800X is the go to powder for me also. You call it IMR 800X which it originally was. Hodgdon makes it now and that's what I have. Are you aware if there is any difference besides the usual variation you might get with different lot numbers? I've also heard that accurate #7 can give good results and it meters better. Have you tried #7? I recently got some rimrock 255 grain hardcast to try. Now that's a big chunk of lead. Love your videos. I've just started getting into 45 super and your info is helpful for my testing. Does your barrel have a fully supported chamber. I heard that some 1911's don't offer enough chamber support for 45 super. Sorry about all of the questions. It's not everyday I run into a fellow 45 super shooter.
I have not used #7 800x is discontinued-if you know where some is at-get it It’s fairy dust for magnums Be careful-as you stated-not all pistols are the same Pay attention to your brass It speaks to you if you know what to look for Good luck Stay tuned I’ll be doing a vid or two soon
@@jeffroberts760 I would at the very least get a 22lb or 24lb recoil spring before trying 45 super. I use aftermarket barrel in my 21 which has much better case support. Not sure how a stock Glock barrel would fare.
Love your videos. I’m wanting to do a polymer 80 PF45 with a good barrel. I thought about the 460 Rowland but I think just staying with a good barrel and good 45 Super bullets would be good enough for me. Do you have any suggestions on a good supporting barrel? Learned a lot, thanks for the excellent information.
Hey I have a pair of ordinance P1445 with the ramp barrel and the casing is fully supported now I have 3 other 1911 which are single stack and there's not rent barrel which means the bottom end of the 45 does ball John me in quite a bit. I would like to know what gun you were using and whether it's fully ramped or not I've been told multiple times you at least have to use a plus P to push them to 45 super loads with a non ramped rear unsupported barrel i'd appreciate it my name is Franklin and I've watched videos they seemed great.
Starline brass in 460R and 45 Super are one the same the difference is the stamped name and the 460 is 1/16" longer. If you load the 45Super to the same specs as the 460R from Rowlands load data you will get the same results. Is that a true statement SC?
Wow. Wth. Very impressive. I really wish you would put that 13 grains of powder behind 135 grain solid copper defender/hunter round from Lehigh. I bet you could get AK47 power out of a 16“ carbine
A 180-grain 45 calibre going at 1400 feet/second will cause much more damage than a 180-grain 40 calibre going at the same velocity. Foot pounds might be the same, but the bigger bullet diameter will push away more body tissue at a higher velocity and will cause a much bigger entry wound and a lot more trauma and shock to the tissue.
I did not Had two days to hunt Carried binoculars to allow my kids the opportunity I butcher the meat they take Don’t hunt just to kill-did shoot it sone tho Jumped on a Blackhawk Hunter model in 45 colt Vids to come in near future
I used a Kimber Aegis Elite as the choice. Has a great chamber and barrel-in stock config Flat bottom firing pin stop Wilson Bushing comp for slide mass 26 lb Wolf spring 30 lb Wolf main spring
@@stuckcase7775 Ok, now I understand. You're loading 45acp to 460 presures. Cool! I'm getting ready to put the 460R kit in gun knowing I won't be able to shoot it at >$2.00 a round. May wait until prices come down or get someone who reload for me for $.
By whos standards I have run through all of them In the 1911 platform I have pushed Rowland power levels in acp brass Opinion and reality often get confused by hear say I’ve done it Tested it Blew a few up I’ll stick with what I’ve learned not read
Actually 45 ACP with Fed Nickle Small primer pockets is the same. I use Rem primers 7.5 and 8.4 of PP with 250gr RNFN in G21-KKM. 481” case expansion is max anything over we trash
Nowhere near? Difference is conversational numerically At best Those loads you see are with standard 45 acp brass My super brass will go to the same levels as the 460 They are identical capacities and load densities as well as same over all lengths Purpose was to disprove the naysayers on the use of regular brass to 900 ft lbs
@@stuckcase7775 then you can always push the 460 brass even more because it is indeed slightly longer ...45 super won’t get 44 mag territory but 460 was designed to do just that
@@gastondraco5906 the overall length is identical otherwise you wouldn’t be using a 1911 magazine The 45 super brass offered by Starline is identical to 460 Rowland save the 1/16th of an inch in length Sig brass has also allowed me to reach 1000 ft lbs without issue The 460 Rowland is a fantastic cartridge in its purpose It does however have limitations by extending brass past driving bands on many quality bullet designs If you stay with jacketed the issue is lessened I however delve in the world of cast performance I do utilize some jacketed loads-but not for hunting or top tier loads Wide meplats on cast bullets will get it done in 452
I started loading for the .45ACP back in 1968. That cartridge has always been loaded well below it's potential. After reading Dean Grennell's article back in 1988 I started experimenting with higher pressure loads. I knew of some work dome by the lads in Canada using cut down 308 brass, they called it the .45-08, which turned into the original .45 SMC.
The factors that make the 1911 a reliable defense weapon are also the weak points for high pressure loadings. My early experiments with a relatively unaltered series 70 Colt, using Unique, once fired military brass and a 200 gr. bullet topped out at 1200 fps. There were definite pressure signs.
I also did some work with the RCBS 270SAA bullet (290 gr, in my alloy) those were a real handful to shoot. They did produce good accuracy out to 100 yards. I was shooting those through an AMT Hardballer, with a buffer and 24# recoil spring, again using once fired military brass.
I got old and did not enjoy the recoil as much, I backed down to a 240 Keith SWC over 6 gr. of Unique, around 900 fps, in my old Colt. That load will shoot through deer like they are made of cardboard, and the SWC makes a good clean hole.
Great videos, I have always thought that the .45 with better loadings was superior to the 10mm for woods carry.
Thanks for your efforts.
I utilize an HG 210 gr bullet at 900 fps as my go to bullet nowadays
Agreeing with you-these types of lead bullets will pass thru most animals we will encounter
This Kimber has allowed me to go where previous Colts and Springfields could not
Chamber support and controlling slide speed has always been the conundrum.
Thanks for sharing your post
It does me good to know there are fellow 45ers still supporting there passion
My favorite bullet for the .45ACP is the H&G 68, my mold is very old I bought it 40 years ago, average weight from my mold is 197-200 gr. depending on alloy. I use the Lyman manual loading for their similar bullet, 7.5 gr. of unique, just over 900 according to the manual, but 1050 fps ave., according to my chronograph out of my AMT.
I recently bought the Lee truncated cone bullet advertised at 230 gr., mine always seem to come out closer to 240 gr. Accuracy is quite good with that bullet. I found an old video put out by Rowland when he started marketing the .460 he also had a Kimber.
I really enjoyed the videos, perhaps one about hunting with the .45.
@@johnclark5695 there will be a hunting vid this year
My Lee 230 gr TC also casts at about 240 with wheel weights-great bullet
My HG 68 is a clone mold manufactured by Arsenal-it is a 5 cavity set up and works great-I mix a little tin to get good sharp edges
I load it on a Dill SDB press with 5 gr of Titegroup which Burns very clean
All in all my best all around load
I recently have been showing ridiculous accuracy in my SW pro series with an Accurate Mold 4 cavity HG 130 clone
Tom-the machinist has the best quality I have witnessed to date with his molds
They are mirror images of one another
@@stuckcase7775 The sharp edges is what makes the SWC so effective, handgun hunting is mostly about hemorrhage leading to rapid blood loss . My other H&G mold is a 4 cavity the drops a 238-240gr. SWC, I shot at a nice little mule deer buck one morning, I saw a big puff of dust behind the deer and thought I had under shot, the deer ran about 15 yards and went down in a pile, dead when he hit the ground. That 240 SWC punched right through. The load was 6 gr. of Unique.
@@johnclark5695 hard to beat Elmers design
They penetrate like FMJs
Made a mistake y’all
Said not using ACP brass-meant not using my super brass
Im 200 rounds into my load development for my home built 460 Roland. Swenson comp barrel, 24 pound spring and a #4 link on a Rock Island frame. Ive got exactly the same results as you with primers and cases. After initial development running the 200 grain hard cast semi wad cutters up to 1490 fps with 11.9 of Longshot and getting buldged cases i decided to back off. I'm satisfied on using exclusively small primer range pickups with CCI SP primers and 11.1 of Longshot with the same bullets. 1400 fps with over 800 ft/lbs of energy is plenty for me and will add to the life of the frame.
Side note DO NOT use nickle cases. Every one i used cracked. Also just like you my cases will be one and done. Another helpful thing i found using these hard casts is I run them through a sizing die with the decapping pin removed on the last stage in my turret press. Im also goung with a Wilson combat mag as the the skide can out run the last couple of rounds in the mag
Your cooking
Your gun
Your way
That’s what makes it worth it
@@stuckcase7775 I'm now 700 rounds down the pipe and found using small rifle primers with a 10.8 load of Longshot has virtually eliminated all the issues. Average velocity of these is 1360 fps. I also only use SP cases weighing greater than 91 grains and a heavy taper crimp in a carbide die is a must. The heavy spring was shoving the bullets into the case when feeding them.
When I hit 1000 I'm going to blue print the gun to check how much wear I've put it through.
Keep them videos coming brother, nothing like a 1911
45 Acp round zipping out a
5 inch barrel like a scud missle!
I'm not dropping a penny on a 460 conversion kit now, after seeing this.
So many people I spoke too would all say it can't be done with the 45 Acp because of 10 thousand reasons "WELL" proof is in the pudding here, any more learning from ya would be well appreciated, I just started getting into reloading my own ammo for the 45 ACP, I need to make what your firing 💪🇱🇷
I'm in bear country an cougar country and 1400 f.p.s is well needed
Shot thousands of heavy rounds
Key is prepping the gun and being selective of quality
@3.10 it came to 900 fpe. The second load, 215 grains came to around 923 fpe. The 210 load, came at around 930 fpe. Just wanted to add that the 45 Super operates at 28,000 PSI, the 40,000 you mention is 460 Rowland pressures (39,000 PSI).
Easily obtained with proper load management
Happy to see some new content! I'm working with a Glock 41 build that was inspired by your channel. Mostly cast bullets and 800x but also some heavy XTPs as well. Thanks for pushing that ragged edge! God bless.
Haven’t had much time to put up more content
Should have some coming for deer season
Thx
When you up the pressure on regular ACP brass at around high-end pressures of up to 40,000 PSI even if it's working most 1911's don't have decent chamber support, this is obviously why super brass and 450 SMC with their thicker walls help pressure bulging, consider magnum rated primers, again smaller rifle primers like the 450 SMC use if possible, increased speeds of the slide is sometimes difficult to control with these higher pressures, often out pacing the magazine spring which you'll know, now slide speeds need to be reduced, start with an oversized flat firing pin stop/plate an increased main spring of 26-28 pounds, then a 26-28 pound recoil spring, it's no good shooting a 230 grain round ball down range at over 1400 FPS if it can't recycle reliably, 'YES' a compensator helps further reduce slide speed, which might add a further 1-2 inches on the overall-length of the pistol, 1911's weren't designed to handle these higher pressures, the Colt 1911 ACP was conceived as a 230 grain ACP ball moving at 800-870 FPS and extremely reliable, these higher 'Frankenstein' loads take away the reliability and functionality of this Brown's baby, I have always thought the 45 ACP standard is perfectly adequate in most situations, penetration sectional density can be a little problematic depending, windshields, wet rain coats, barrier penetration, is now been addressed with 45ACP Plus P and better super 45 and 450 SMC's they are the ultimate because they can run almost as reliable as standard 45 ACP pressures with the right springs and firing pin stop/plate, now consider the 'Winchester Magnum 45' with those wonderful 'LAR Grizzly 1911's' on steroids can handle a 230 grain at over 1800 FPS with hand loads and manufactured ammo 1600 FPS now, if LAR Grizzly started up again, then I reckon a lot of peoples peaked interest would be fueled.
Good You-Tube podcast much enjoyed and a great sport for many.
You’ve said a bunch
The best part is the journey
Actually quantifying what your firearm can do
Putting BS aside
The design lends itself to a continuous battery of 600-700 ft lbs
It can do more but requires work
I shoot loads in the 600-700 ft lb range without much change in the gun
It eats them like candy
Ive lost count in the thousands on this pistol
The unlocking of the barrel causes the primer smear
Primer flows in to the firing pin hole and the unlocking from the barrel lugs shears the smear
Suggest Small Primer pocket and you will not have the smear or flow back using Small primers I prefer 7.5 Rem in my 45 ACP brass for 45 Super loads
Great video on the potential of the 45 ACP. Something thing not mentioned about the pistol used are the other mods made to it that make this possible. Using a flat bottom firing pin stop and a stronger hammer spring are a must. Somewhere around 25 to 28 pounds is ideal. Also a somewhat stronger recoil spring is necessary as well in addition to the compensator. This should be kept below 24 pounds to prevent excessive slide velocity when going back into battery. Too much slide velocity can lead to unreliable feeding and damage to the barrel feet. The beauty of the 1911 is being able to tune the gun to the performance level that suits you and its unequaled trigger. Keep up the great work 👍
All mentioned above have been and are necessary to get it to run
I do have a few mags that cause some hiccups but I still run them
Agreed with your statement on excessive slide speed and force on returning from battery
Set back can cause more serious issues than lack of good chamber support
My dealings have lead me to more attention to bullet design and bearing surface to help alleviate this issue.
Thanks for you post
I have covered my firearm mods in previous vids
Be safe
@@stuckcase7775
Good point about bullet design and setback vs chamber support. I only make mention of the mods you made for the benefit of those who might not have seen your earlier videos. Your work on high performance 45 ACP/Super is greatly appreciated and unequaled in my opinion. 👍👍
@@Dennisthemenace40 it is a passion that I like to share with fellow enthusiasts
Picked up a lot from friends and fellow reloader
Some I learned unfortunately the hard way
Thanks for the post
Be safe
God bless
@@stuckcase7775
I understand Elmer Keith followed a similar path. Thanks for the chat and God bless you as well.
@@Dennisthemenace40 man is a legend
Great work! I've been advocating for the Super over the 10mm for bear defense...we developed a 265gr hard cast @1150fps in a 5"1911 without a compensator, it works
That’s wheelhouse stuff there
I have been non comping lately too
It can be done-much depends on timing and powder selection
Too slow and you get muzzle flash
Too fast and you get pierced primers or worse
10mm penetrates much deeper, shoots flatter and has much better BC, I love them both but I lean towards 10mm.
@@stuckcase7775 so really don't need a comp with .460? I'm thinking about getting a FNX .460 Rowland but the want $2,080 that steep.
@@Edmondson_Avenue that’s what is great about our country
You have the opportunity to select
@@Edmondson_Avenue I would definitely have the comp with 460
45 super no
Anything heavier
Yes
Look forward to seeing more on the 45 super loads.
Very detailed and informative info, and good to know. Unless you buy loaded ammo, 45 Super brass is vaporware at present so it's good to know you can work up equivalent loads with Winchester brass, even if it's once and done. I am modifying a S&W 625 Mountain Gun to hunt with right now and I will have less worry about bulging or primer wipe. Even better. Thank you.
Spicy loads are a great use for SPP brass. Throw an SRP in there and forget about primer issues.
Guy is right
Small pistol primers help when there is no breech face
Keep in mind there is no breach face support on that mt gun
Make sure your moon clips are all similar and flat
Had a 625-2 many moons ago
Learned quite a bit about the cartridge in wheel guns
Pierced a lot of primers
That 625 had the firing pin on the hammer
Good luck
Hey Stuck Case you are on on fire. Sir you do a Dam good job. One thing to mention the 450 Smc brass from Double Tap is special its a small pistol primer pocket so its has an advantage in that we can use a small rifle magnum primer. The 450 Smc brass is as good as the 45 Super brass with the advantage of the small primer pocket. Great video!!!
Like to get my hands on some
@@stuckcase7775 I will call Double Tap on Monday to see if they have any in stock and if they do ill order some and share them with you.
@@organicmaterialsciencecorp6115 just let me know
I’d like to order some
@@organicmaterialsciencecorp6115 currently tweaking a load with small rifle primers
Vid to come
I use Rem 7.5 primers in 45 ACP Fed Nickle at super level. 250gr with 9.0 of PP. 1123 in 5.2” in Alaska.
Wow, no wonder the cases are "one and done". I barely got 1400 out of a supported-chamber .400 Cor-Bon barrel with a 130-gr cast bullet and Green Dot... but the brass is reuseable.
Great work sir!
I bought 1000 Starline 45Super and 8lbs of Enforcer. I loaded 250 185jhp (1500fps). 100 200gr, 100 230gr and 50 255gr hardcast. The 230gr were 1250+fps. 255 were 1100fps.
26 pound spring for all from a Sig 1911
It gets addicting
You’ll always be looking for that magic load
Good luck
Be safe
45 for life
Love your videos!!! Brother! You and myself are the only people on commitube doing this and I've been to busy to do any.
I like the SPP 45acp brass with CCI 400's or 500's.
I've been looking for powder coated 185's and 200's and gave up on it... for now.
Big fan of 800x!!! I wish that Hodgdon didn't discontinue it. What would you use instead of 800x. Blue Dot, Longshot, ???
Go longshot
Power pistol is another
I love getting 45 super cases just because you can get them nickel coated ,they feed a little better, the geometry is a little better than the 460r. I run about 11-12.5 gr cfe pistol on 185gr sierra sports master and get between 13-1500 fps
Your there
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO!!!
Dude this is exactly what I wanted to see what I always felt like could be done with the 45 ACP but the problem is the bullets aren’t designed to go that fast so they tear out to pieces so you could probably take a 460 jacketed bonded bullets and they would take that speed a little better probably but you were the first person I have ever seen that push that 45 ACP closer to what I thought it could do and also gets bigger around in a 10 mm I always thought that if you could get a 45 ACP up to 1350-1400 fps then that would be a way more powerful weapon that I’m not a millimeter could ever think about being
I don't know why, but Underwood and BB load 460R with .451 bullets, 230gn, and of course they don't do great. It's best to handload 45super yourself to any level you want with solid coppers. The .452 XTPs made for 454casull need more velocity than 45super can achieve at any level. Maybe the 240gr XTP might be the best for 45super at about 1300fps. Lehigh's are good, 135gr XDs are good up to 1700fps. 200gr XPs can go up to 1400fps. 255gr hardcast are best kept under 1200fps.
Although, I am just talking about a 4.5" barrel.
@@alexskillz45 most copper jacketed bullets are 451
Lead 4525
@@stuckcase7775 I know, but there are some. I load 250gr XTP in 45super. They are .452
8grs of Longshot get me over 1100fps in my 4.5" KKM barrel
The data I use was calling for up to 11grs at max load and doing near 1300fps. My G30S cant quite handle that just yet, or ever.
FINALLY! KNOWLEDGE!
You have probably covered it but wouldn't the cci small pistol primers fair better as far as flow. My only concern is punching holes in the primer and gunking up the firing pin.
Some guns use 9MM size firing pins
It helps
Use Fed Nickle Small Primer Pockets and Small Rifle Primers and problem solved for 45 Super + P. Avid user of 45 Super in Alaska with 250/255 for Bears at 700 FPE.
Ive settled in at the same very location.
Around 700 fpe with a 260 gr LBT style bullet. No comp needed. Gun cycles well. Just about perfect for the platform.
Ive been shooting a modified 70 series colt. Clark compensated barrel with a fully supported chamber and heavy recoil spring. I use rifle primers on Roland power level loads. I use Alliant Power Pistol on all loads at Super & above. So far 230’s over 1300 fps and 185’s over 1550 fps. Both of these loads exceed 900 ft/lbs. I’ve been fine-tuning and testing with this pistol for about the last 8 years. I feel one key point is having a compensated barrel. It keeps gun locked a little longer to allow chamber pressure to drop before releasing. I chose this set up as it was what The 460 Rowland kits were using. I tried to duplicate as much as possible with out having the chamber reamed to accommodate 460 brass. I’ve been using quick load to estimate chamber pressures and I do usually stay under 35K as I feel the 40K loads in all but 185’s are just a little too hot. I don’t have 800X powder listed in quick load but there is an update that came out in Nov 2021. So I may have to check it out if it models better than power pistol
Link to a Rainer 185 at 1500+ fps taking out a 5 gal water jug. Nasty effect on target.
th-cam.com/video/NqLD061S_pQ/w-d-xo.html
Similar approaches
Unfortunately I’m still on the fence about shipping my pistol to have a barrel fitted with a cone comp
There are lots of things you can do when you're making your own custom handloads and you know your own situation. 45 ACP is not loaded hot because there are standards for the cartridge and gun, and ammo companies have liability concerns.
You really have alot of great content for 45ACP+P / 45 Super on here thanks for posting. I was talking to Veral Smith of LBT molds and he was telling me as well there is no difference in a 45 or 460 pistol and you can take 45 to 460 Rowland levels. I notice a few of your loads you have 800X going....is it because its what you have - or is it a 'go-to' for you with 45 Super? I have CFE Pistol (nothing else has been available) on hand and about a half pound of Herco left. Herco has proven to be excellent with the little testing I've done, but again I'm pretty new to 45 Super loading so still trying to learn. Thanks again for posting!
800x will produce the highest results within the limits of the cartridge-in my experience
It is no longer available however
I cannot add in about CFE Pistol having never tried it
I currently have 3 or 4 pounds of 800x left and use it for Super loads only
I also have several pounds of blue dot and Titegroup
Start at normal AcP levels with CFE and work your way up examining your brass
Key to remember 50 fps in a cartridge is conversational-don’t let it get to you if you max out but accomplished your goal
Enjoy the learning experience and carve your own path
Have you tried any 300 grain jacketed bullets out of the 45 super by any chance? I've got a 460 rowland coming and wanted to try reloading some 300grainers for it but since theres no data out there for it using 300 grains , just looking for apossible starting point. I've got power pistol , AAC-9, AAC-7, BLUE DOT AND BE-86 powders on hand . And speer gold dot 300 grain bullets. Thanks in advance
I have not
I have read from other that have
My research has concluded that optimum powder space, bullet weight, bullet design for the ACP case-is best to stay around 200-210 gr area
Just my two cents
A 200gr JHP or TC bullet with a stiff dose of AA9 or AA7 will put smiles on your face
Puts meat in the freezer as well
On a personal note-I can’t come to grips with the extra brass length on the Rowland. I understand the intent but it has limiting factors in terms of bullet design-placing the ogive past optimum crimp on some-good acp or super brass will get it done
Thanks for watching
Good luck
Be safe
Super cool video. I appreciate the info. I really like to 10mm but my first love has always been the 45acp. A lot of the testing you are doing is stuff I've been thinking of for a long time. So I appreciate your efforts and putting it on video.
The one question I have and glocktard touched on it briefly is do you think small primer brass would be a bit stronger. I'm afraid all 45acp will be small fairly soon
It truly makes sense that it would
Getting your hands on 45 SMC is next to impossible right now
@@stuckcase7775 I bet it is. I have quite a bit of once fired s primer brass and have even thought of using small rifle primers. Just getting anything right now sucks I have me and it is kicking my ass right now. So that makes your videos that much more important to me. Thanks again brother
I know it's hard all I have is LRP I've been using in 10mm and 45lc. There is a differance, the way it feels to me with imr-blue is some ware between. .4 - 1grain of charge increases using the large rifle primer
@@timbeatty8031 I bet they don't seat very easy
@@biggunshandguns3687 actually they seat flush have not had a problem in the almost 1000 LRP I've loaded in 10mm and 45 colt
I am interested in 45 super and you are by far the best resource I have found. Practical application, from what I have seen you are proving the Nay Sayers incorrect. I am curious why 800x? I have it but it is probably the worst metering powder I have every used so I dont use it. I dont have a problem weighing every load but it is terribly inconsistent in a Lee. I want to use Ramshot Silhoutte. Do you have any thoughts on that? Also, I am looking to achieve 10mm performance not get to what you are doing here. Excellent Videos!
800x is THE powder to beat for apex loads
Daaaammm...that is impressive...and makes me nervous actually. How can you get that kind of velocity? Please tell me you have or will do a load like this for 357 magnum....🙏
Cool video. I'm shooting the 45 super in a glock 21. 800X is the go to powder for me also. You call it IMR 800X which it originally was. Hodgdon makes it now and that's what I have. Are you aware if there is any difference besides the usual variation you might get with different lot numbers? I've also heard that accurate #7 can give good results and it meters better. Have you tried #7? I recently got some rimrock 255 grain hardcast to try. Now that's a big chunk of lead. Love your videos. I've just started getting into 45 super and your info is helpful for my testing. Does your barrel have a fully supported chamber. I heard that some 1911's don't offer enough chamber support for 45 super. Sorry about all of the questions. It's not everyday I run into a fellow 45 super shooter.
I have not used #7
800x is discontinued-if you know where some is at-get it
It’s fairy dust for magnums
Be careful-as you stated-not all pistols are the same
Pay attention to your brass
It speaks to you if you know what to look for
Good luck
Stay tuned
I’ll be doing a vid or two soon
Can you run 45 super in an unmodified Glock 21 safely for occasional use?
@@jeffroberts760 I would at the very least get a 22lb or 24lb recoil spring before trying 45 super. I use aftermarket barrel in my 21 which has much better case support. Not sure how a stock Glock barrel would fare.
@@jeffroberts760 yep
@@rodneysullivan5776 thank you
Heck yea, it's time to put some meat on the table brother! 👍🇺🇸🦌🔫
Love your videos. I’m wanting to do a polymer 80 PF45 with a good barrel. I thought about the 460 Rowland but I think just staying with a good barrel and good 45 Super bullets would be good enough for me. Do you have any suggestions on a good supporting barrel? Learned a lot, thanks for the excellent information.
KKM or bar Sto
Give Irv Stone a call at Bar Sto
He is sharp as a tack and will help you hammer down your goal
@@stuckcase7775 Thanks a bunch
Hey I have a pair of ordinance P1445 with the ramp barrel and the casing is fully supported now I have 3 other 1911 which are single stack and there's not rent barrel which means the bottom end of the 45 does ball John me in quite a bit. I would like to know what gun you were using and whether it's fully ramped or not I've been told multiple times you at least have to use a plus P to push them to 45 super loads with a non ramped rear unsupported barrel i'd appreciate it my name is Franklin and I've watched videos they seemed great.
These loads are in a Kimber Aegis Elite with a non ramped barrel
The chamber is fantastic in the pistol which allows for the hotter loads
Starline brass in 460R and 45 Super are one the same the difference is the stamped name and the 460 is 1/16" longer. If you load the 45Super to the same specs as the 460R from Rowlands load data you will get the same results.
Is that a true statement SC?
Starline could answer better
I have on many occasions used their super brass
I have moved on to small primer brass from Blazer
It takes a beating
since 800x is no longer available, do you have any other recommendations?
AA7
New to reloading, how would CFE Pistol powder do for these kind of loads?
Right up there
Wow. Wth. Very impressive. I really wish you would put that 13 grains of powder behind 135 grain solid copper defender/hunter round from Lehigh. I bet you could get AK47 power out of a 16“ carbine
Not my cup of tea
Consistent numbers right off rip
A 180-grain 45 calibre going at 1400 feet/second will cause much more damage than a 180-grain 40 calibre going at the same velocity. Foot pounds might be the same, but the bigger bullet diameter will push away more body tissue at a higher velocity and will cause a much bigger entry wound and a lot more trauma and shock to the tissue.
Hydraulic tissue displacement
See Elmer Keith
.460 rowland 185gr 1500 fps 924 ft lbs.
Yep
It does
What trigger do you have in your glock 40
Suarez
@@stuckcase7775 thanks
put 16grns of powerpistel in a acp case w/185grn golddot,let me know wut happons
A smile
is that a 45acp barrel or a 460
Ol acp
@@stuckcase7775I kinda figured and hell yeah 👍
Did you get a deer with it this season?
I did not
Had two days to hunt
Carried binoculars to allow my kids the opportunity
I butcher the meat they take
Don’t hunt just to kill-did shoot it sone tho
Jumped on a Blackhawk Hunter model in 45 colt
Vids to come in near future
Mind telling me what gun you converted to 460?
None
I utilize 45 super brass for the nuke stuff
Anything 800 ft lbs or less regular ACP brass will get it done
I used a Kimber Aegis Elite as the choice. Has a great chamber and barrel-in stock config
Flat bottom firing pin stop
Wilson Bushing comp for slide mass
26 lb Wolf spring
30 lb Wolf main spring
@@stuckcase7775 Ok, now I understand. You're loading 45acp to 460 presures. Cool! I'm getting ready to put the 460R kit in gun knowing I won't be able to shoot it at >$2.00 a round. May wait until prices come down or get someone who reload for me for $.
@@backlash00 be careful and enjoy
I don't care how hot it is, you are having way too many stoppages!
True
Mag related or meplat?
Thx for watching
Haven’t been messing with it lately
450 smc brass is the strongest
By whos standards
I have run through all of them
In the 1911 platform I have pushed Rowland power levels in acp brass
Opinion and reality often get confused by hear say
I’ve done it
Tested it
Blew a few up
I’ll stick with what I’ve learned not read
I herd 450 smc is even better.
It is on the same level-it has its perks
Actually 45 ACP with Fed Nickle Small primer pockets is the same. I use Rem primers 7.5 and 8.4 of PP with 250gr RNFN in G21-KKM. 481” case expansion is max anything over we trash
Nowhere near 460 Rowland...over 1400 from a 230 and almost 1600 from 185 using underwood
Nowhere near? Difference is conversational numerically
At best
Those loads you see are with standard 45 acp brass
My super brass will go to the same levels as the 460
They are identical capacities and load densities as well as same over all lengths
Purpose was to disprove the naysayers on the use of regular brass to 900 ft lbs
@@stuckcase7775 then you can always push the 460 brass even more because it is indeed slightly longer ...45 super won’t get 44 mag territory but 460 was designed to do just that
@@gastondraco5906 the overall length is identical otherwise you wouldn’t be using a 1911 magazine
The 45 super brass offered by Starline is identical to 460 Rowland save the 1/16th of an inch in length
Sig brass has also allowed me to reach 1000 ft lbs without issue
The 460 Rowland is a fantastic cartridge in its purpose
It does however have limitations by extending brass past driving bands on many quality bullet designs
If you stay with jacketed the issue is lessened
I however delve in the world of cast performance
I do utilize some jacketed loads-but not for hunting or top tier loads
Wide meplats on cast bullets will get it done in 452
Do you have a FB or email? I would like to chat a bit, if you don't mind?
PM me
@@stuckcase7775 how do I do that?
@@michaelrum7113 not sure
Just don’t want my email on youtube
@@stuckcase7775 I completely understand. Lol
Man, I wish there was a way... I would love to pick your brain.
@@michaelrum7113 ask
I’ll answer best I can here