The .460 Rowland effectively replaces all magnum revolvers except for very narrow specialty applications. The .44 magnum has been vetted over nearly a Century, and the .460R matches it for power - splitting hairs to the contrary, but while magnum revolvers are limited to 5 or 6 shots, the 1911 can easily carry 10+1 in the field, and has all the advantages that come with autos - magazine reloads, excellent ergonomics, accurate, excellent trigger, and far less recoil! In this video they can be heard commenting how mild the recoil is, and that conversion doesn't have the V2 recoil system that eliminates the heavy reaction spring and further reduces recoil.
@@desertsoldier41Did you ever do this conversion? Rowland guys warned me not to ( I have aPara Ordinance Black Ops double stack which was my first choice). They told me there’s a problem with the magazine. So I did a colt 1911.
Why would anyone want anything else and like you said, comparable revolver kicks like a mule, much lower rd count, heavier and bulkier, slower reload etc, I have had one for a few years now and have been reloading them. One perspective I’d like to share is that I’ve been staying at the low end of the powder charge range ( 190 gr Lehigh Penetrators with 10 grains of Longshot = 1250+- fps for instance) It could be loaded much hotter but where does the law of diminishing returns kick in. That rd at that speed will crack a grizzly’s skull or reach critical organs,and if you need to shoot multiple rds quicker target acquisition. Plus, if you practice and reload you’ll get more life out of your brass.
The day I shot the .460 Rowland for the first time, I came home and sold my Desert Eagle .44 magnum! The DE posted lower velocity and energy numbers with factory ammo, weighed 72 ounces versus 38 for my 1911, and felt like trying to hold and aim a brick, plus huge rocking recoil due to the massive slide! I also sold off my S&W .460 XVR, and S&W .500 6.5" because despite their power advantage, the .460R, just like the .44 mag is fully adequate to any task needed, but brings significant advantages to the table! My G20 has become a safe queen, though the G29 still has an operational niche. I did keep my S&W .500 4 inch, mainly because it displaces all short-barrel revolvers should I ever find a need for one, though probably not.
When I was first looking into getting a hand cannon I researched all the calibers and couldn't figure out why 45 acp was so slow compared to the others. I figured out all I would have to do is make my own ammo and make a few adjustments and POOF...I would have a 45 worth carrying. Why hadn't anyone figured this out already? Then I ran across Johnny Rowlands video and... apparently someone had figured it out. I'm so happy.
I’m just happy a viewer informed me about this caliber… I’ve been carrying this firearm since we made the video; 800 Rounds later I still love it! I will be doing a follow up soon 👍
WOW that is unreal that the short 45 caliber case by being a little longer could devlope that much power. that's great info for sure glad you showed the speeds. great video Guys.
The 45ACP has a maximum chamber pressure of 19,800 PSI. while the .460 Rowland has a maximum chamber pressure of 40,000 PSI. which is what the difference is.
Simply great caliber. Simply great ammo. Underwood is my go to ammo in any caliber. I think I’d be using their Extreme Penetrators. They’re awesome. Great video gents.
Almost ten years ago, I converted a Springfield XD Tactical to 460 Rowland. It was money well spent and has dispatched many feral hogs. Reloading helps tremendously. I'd do it again.
MEN, THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS FOCUS ON THE 460! I HAVE ONE AND AM VERY PLEASED! I WOULD WELCOME ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE 460. I HOPE TO BUILD ANOTHER SO I AM ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN RELIABILITY COVERAGE AND ANYTHING ON ENHANCING ACCURACY. THANK YOU MUCH.
We definitely have more to come! Glad you like the video, and thank you for taking the time to comment. Mr. obvious is planning on purchasing the name sake kit for his Kimber classic, we should be bringing you some information on it this fall 👍
I've had my 460 Rowland modification on my 1911 Kimber TLE/RL II for the last 8 years now and am completely blown away by its performance. The round is very versatile and powerful and will give any 10mm or 44mag a solid run for its money. Amazing how accurate it is with the copper penetrator rounds. I do recommend getting the Wilson Combat 45acp +p mags since they'll have 8 round capacity and be able to keep the sidearm from jamming since the OEM 45acp mags will have trouble with improperly loading the next round.
10mm is my to go for bear. 460 rowland is a great round to but all the guns ive had in that configuration arent as reliable as my 10mms. I'll have to try the 1911s in 460 rowland. We only have black bear here so 10mm is mine right now with underwood they have the best ammo. Definitely gotta try a good 460 though soon
Steel frame, long slide, ported, preferably with at least one pic rail specifically for a surefire x300t, loaded by Buffalo Bore, around 185gr projectile, and a custom made kanai style holster. Or maybe I'm just being to picky.
Iv been deer hunting with a kimber target that I converted to 460 rowland for years now prefer to use hard cast or underwood xtream defender or xtream penetrator bullets with reloads because I found that hollowpoints tended to just flat out blow up like a bomb and only penetrate a couple inches because the speed was just to much for the 45 acp bullets.
The 460 is bad to the bone, unfortunately no one seems to make good bullets other than underwood… I make my own hard cast, but it would be great if someone made a bullet mold that had gas check for the 45.acp
@@lastminuteman same here iv been looking at just having a mold made to have gas checks, its either that or have one of those small mills and mill the end of the cast round to take a gas check just a lot of work
Welcome to the .460R club! Once you have a 1911 in .460R you'll never again carry that Ruger .44 into the field, nothing wrong with it, just, what's the point? With a 1911 you have a solid 8-10 shots with fast reloads, but more importantly, the ability to shoot the gun FAST with excellent control and accuracy due to far less felt recoil thanks to the efficient muzzle brake! My first 1911 conversion was a Rock Island FS with hard chrome finish - the nice one with dual safeties, bold sights, superior trigger. Before firing I took detailed close-up photos of the frame interior for multiple aspects to create a record to validate the claims RIA guns aren't up to Rowland standards. My thinking was that as inexpensive as the RIA was next to my $1,000 Kimber, I could afford to shoot it to destruction to prove or disprove the recommendation. After 500 rounds of full-bore .460R I stopped worrying. The post-500 round frame showed no change in the impact marks it had before from shooting 230 grain ball ammo. In actuality, a properly converted 1911 frame sees no greater stress than one firing standard .45 auto. The worst set-up ever is people shooting .45 Super from a non-compensated barrel, trying to hand just 2/3d the power of the .460R with ridiculous recoil springs that completely destroy the gun's normal timing. My RIA now runs a Tougher Buffer 20/40# flat-wound dual spring where the 40# coil only comes into play during the last inch of travel. It also has an EGW flat bottom firing pin retainer which does more to delay slide opening than any amount of recoil spring.
I’m loving this caliber! Thanks for watching and letting me know your experience with the RIA 1911, it’s good to know someone has tested it 👍 I plan on converting a few more myself!
You are carrying a 45 ACP but you're also carrying one that shoots 45 ACP 45 ACP Plus and 45 super 45 0 short Magnum cartridge and then 460 Rowland. It just makes sense to keep this gun because it is so versatile. I have four of them.
I worked up a load for my 460 Rowland. I’m using a 200 grain Hard cast coated bullet from Bayou Bullets with 11.5 grains of CFE Pistol and Remington primers. I’m getting an average velocity of 1419 fps. I haven’t done any penetration tests yet but look forward to it. I did try a hotter load but had signs of excess pressure so I settled on the load mentioned. Those 185 gr XTP’s aren’t recommended for velocities over 1200- 1300 fps so at 1500 fps your just not getting the best performance out of that bullet.
It’s very difficult to find good rounds for the 460R, most everything is designed for 45acp which of course moves much slower. I’m a fan of the hard cast as well 👍
Good video. Now, Wilson didn't tell you the truth about RIA 1911's. I have an RIA 5" Gov model that I converted to 460 Rowland and it works great! I did upgrade the springs using a 28lb Wolf spring, firing pin spring etc and it's a monster! Will it break, hell I don't know but it hasn't yet. I've had Colts and AZKimbers break.
That’s good to hear, I’ve always been a fan of RIA and was shocked to see it on Clark’s “no list” I’ll probably do a conversion to test it out myself 👍
I know if a Rock Island armory can handle it then, naturally so could a Tisas / SDS... She's Turkish... Interesting, proper testing absolutely would be required. GOD bless
Interesting that the RIA was discouraged. When I asked about a kit for my ParaO frame with Colt 70 slide & barrel they suggested an RIA would be a better choice. That may have been Roland rather than Clark. Don't recall now.
I too found it curious… They specifically stated on their website that any “Brazilian clone” is not recommended 🤷♂️ A few viewers have since commented that they have no problem using a RIA 1911, however I can’t disagree with the manufacturer’s recommendation.
The concept of a "bear gun" is nutballs in the first place lol, you want a 30 caliber rifle (or more) or a shotgun (magnum slugs 3.25), or a lever action beast like a 45-70 or 45-90. If you're down to a pistol against a bear, it better be because one of those first options failed. Just a handgun, no matter how powerful, may not save you.
@LIONTAMER3D All true, and I believe I mentioned that in the video… Trust me if I didn’t get funny looks carrying my 30-06 on a hike in a national park I’d be carrying it… But let’s be honest, I get funny looks anyway 😁
10mm in the 180gr bullet can be hand loaded in .44 Magnum hitting 1600fps from a 6" barrel neck and neck with .460 Rowland actually 25fps faster and no comp, but 25fps is small.
U mentioned to let u know what we would like to see... Well since u are already playing with expensive stuff id love to see a video on the 10mm magnum there little to no videos out there for it so id imagine it would be pretty popular content
@@lastminuteman ok lol I always wanted to build one myself considering they only ever made two pistols chambered for it but the cheapest route is a Thompson contender and I believe bullery makes the barrel
Great caliber but for the cost of admission and availability ill stick to 10mm. And before anyone says it im aware the 460r is more powerful but o but not enough to account for the cost difference
Been thinking of getting the conversion for my springfield 1911, did you have any issues with the stainless steel? I heard the 24lbs spring might be too heavy and might need to switch to the 20lbs
No issues at all… The Kimber eclipse is a Stainless Steel Model 1911… this “Clarks custom guns” kit has operated perfectly. I’m sure Clark’s will answer any questions you have, you won’t regret buying this 😎
Sorry even if we stick to semiautomatics that are still in production, the 460 Rowland is by a large margin not the most powerful semiautomatic caliber on the market. You can kick and scream all you want but the 50AE is more powerful
Yup the 50AE is more powerful, however I would not carry a 4.5 pound gun with me on a hike at altitude in Wyoming… I should have mentioned the 50AE however, thanks for bringing it up. We will have to do a video on one 👍
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The .460 Rowland effectively replaces all magnum revolvers except for very narrow specialty applications. The .44 magnum has been vetted over nearly a Century, and the .460R matches it for power - splitting hairs to the contrary, but while magnum revolvers are limited to 5 or 6 shots, the 1911 can easily carry 10+1 in the field, and has all the advantages that come with autos - magazine reloads, excellent ergonomics, accurate, excellent trigger, and far less recoil! In this video they can be heard commenting how mild the recoil is, and that conversion doesn't have the V2 recoil system that eliminates the heavy reaction spring and further reduces recoil.
Excellent information! Thank you!
Very well stated, I absolutely love this platform and could not have articulated the advantages better 👍
I am going to convert a 2011 to this....15+rd is guaranteed to cause premature arthritis.
@@desertsoldier41Did you ever do this conversion? Rowland guys warned me not to ( I have aPara Ordinance Black Ops double stack which was my first choice). They told me there’s a problem with the magazine. So I did a colt 1911.
Why would anyone want anything else and like you said, comparable revolver kicks like a mule, much lower rd count, heavier and bulkier, slower reload etc, I have had one for a few years now and have been reloading them. One perspective I’d like to share is that I’ve been staying at the low end of the powder charge range ( 190 gr Lehigh Penetrators with 10 grains of Longshot = 1250+- fps for instance) It could be loaded much hotter but where does the law of diminishing returns kick in. That rd at that speed will crack a grizzly’s skull or reach critical organs,and if you need to shoot multiple rds quicker target acquisition. Plus, if you practice and reload you’ll get more life out of your brass.
The day I shot the .460 Rowland for the first time, I came home and sold my Desert Eagle .44 magnum! The DE posted lower velocity and energy numbers with factory ammo, weighed 72 ounces versus 38 for my 1911, and felt like trying to hold and aim a brick, plus huge rocking recoil due to the massive slide!
I also sold off my S&W .460 XVR, and S&W .500 6.5" because despite their power advantage, the .460R, just like the .44 mag is fully adequate to any task needed, but brings significant advantages to the table!
My G20 has become a safe queen, though the G29 still has an operational niche.
I did keep my S&W .500 4 inch, mainly because it displaces all short-barrel revolvers should I ever find a need for one, though probably not.
I’m shocked it took me this long to discover the Rowland… More manufacturers need to support this caliber 👍
When I was first looking into getting a hand cannon I researched all the calibers and couldn't figure out why 45 acp was so slow compared to the others.
I figured out all I would have to do is make my own ammo and make a few adjustments and POOF...I would have a 45 worth carrying. Why hadn't anyone figured this out already?
Then I ran across Johnny Rowlands video and... apparently someone had figured it out.
I'm so happy.
I’m just happy a viewer informed me about this caliber… I’ve been carrying this firearm since we made the video; 800 Rounds later I still love it!
I will be doing a follow up soon 👍
WOW that is unreal that the short 45 caliber case by being a little longer could devlope that much power. that's great info for sure glad you showed the speeds. great video Guys.
Glad you liked it 👍
Actually, 460rowland does not have any more case capacity than a .45acp. They are exactly the same.
Longer so you don't put it in a regular .45 and blow your face off.
The 45ACP has a maximum chamber pressure of 19,800 PSI. while the .460 Rowland has a maximum chamber pressure of 40,000 PSI. which is what the difference is.
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Simply great caliber. Simply great ammo. Underwood is my go to ammo in any caliber. I think I’d be using their Extreme Penetrators. They’re awesome. Great video gents.
I’m very happy with the Underwood ammo! Really compliments this cartridge 👍
Almost ten years ago, I converted a Springfield XD Tactical to 460 Rowland. It was money well spent and has dispatched many feral hogs. Reloading helps tremendously.
I'd do it again.
Did you change out your springs?
MEN, THANK YOU MUCH FOR THIS FOCUS ON THE 460! I HAVE ONE AND AM VERY PLEASED!
I WOULD WELCOME ANY FURTHER INFORMATION ON THE 460.
I HOPE TO BUILD ANOTHER SO I AM ESPECIALLY INTERESTED IN RELIABILITY COVERAGE AND ANYTHING ON ENHANCING ACCURACY.
THANK YOU MUCH.
We definitely have more to come!
Glad you like the video, and thank you for taking the time to comment.
Mr. obvious is planning on purchasing the name sake kit for his Kimber classic, we should be bringing you some information on it this fall 👍
I've had my 460 Rowland modification on my 1911 Kimber TLE/RL II for the last 8 years now and am completely blown away by its performance. The round is very versatile and powerful and will give any 10mm or 44mag a solid run for its money. Amazing how accurate it is with the copper penetrator rounds. I do recommend getting the Wilson Combat 45acp +p mags since they'll have 8 round capacity and be able to keep the sidearm from jamming since the OEM 45acp mags will have trouble with improperly loading the next round.
10mm is my to go for bear. 460 rowland is a great round to but all the guns ive had in that configuration arent as reliable as my 10mms. I'll have to try the 1911s in 460 rowland. We only have black bear here so 10mm is mine right now with underwood they have the best ammo. Definitely gotta try a good 460 though soon
The 10mm is now a proven bear caliber, you can’t go wrong with it… But this Rowland is fun 😎
Great video and some good info there, i liked the intro too, very funny!
We try lol
@@lastminuteman You do it well :)
Very entertaining and informative. Thank you.
Glad you liked it, and thank you for taking the time to comment
Steel frame, long slide, ported, preferably with at least one pic rail specifically for a surefire x300t, loaded by Buffalo Bore, around 185gr projectile, and a custom made kanai style holster. Or maybe I'm just being to picky.
Not at all partner… You like what you like 👍
Good taste by the way
Iv been deer hunting with a kimber target that I converted to 460 rowland for years now prefer to use hard cast or underwood xtream defender or xtream penetrator bullets with reloads because I found that hollowpoints tended to just flat out blow up like a bomb and only penetrate a couple inches because the speed was just to much for the 45 acp bullets.
The 460 is bad to the bone, unfortunately no one seems to make good bullets other than underwood… I make my own hard cast, but it would be great if someone made a bullet mold that had gas check for the 45.acp
@@lastminuteman same here iv been looking at just having a mold made to have gas checks, its either that or have one of those small mills and mill the end of the cast round to take a gas check just a lot of work
Welcome to the .460R club! Once you have a 1911 in .460R you'll never again carry that Ruger .44 into the field, nothing wrong with it, just, what's the point? With a 1911 you have a solid 8-10 shots with fast reloads, but more importantly, the ability to shoot the gun FAST with excellent control and accuracy due to far less felt recoil thanks to the efficient muzzle brake!
My first 1911 conversion was a Rock Island FS with hard chrome finish - the nice one with dual safeties, bold sights, superior trigger. Before firing I took detailed close-up photos of the frame interior for multiple aspects to create a record to validate the claims RIA guns aren't up to Rowland standards. My thinking was that as inexpensive as the RIA was next to my $1,000 Kimber, I could afford to shoot it to destruction to prove or disprove the recommendation. After 500 rounds of full-bore .460R I stopped worrying. The post-500 round frame showed no change in the impact marks it had before from shooting 230 grain ball ammo. In actuality, a properly converted 1911 frame sees no greater stress than one firing standard .45 auto. The worst set-up ever is people shooting .45 Super from a non-compensated barrel, trying to hand just 2/3d the power of the .460R with ridiculous recoil springs that completely destroy the gun's normal timing.
My RIA now runs a Tougher Buffer 20/40# flat-wound dual spring where the 40# coil only comes into play during the last inch of travel. It also has an EGW flat bottom firing pin retainer which does more to delay slide opening than any amount of recoil spring.
I’m loving this caliber! Thanks for watching and letting me know your experience with the RIA 1911, it’s good to know someone has tested it 👍
I plan on converting a few more myself!
Thompson 1921 Chicago typewriter with 80/100 round armor penetrator cartridges drum magazine is perfect for bear defense!😊
That's my choice for a snake gun while hiking.
You are carrying a 45 ACP but you're also carrying one that shoots 45 ACP 45 ACP Plus and 45 super 45 0 short Magnum cartridge and then 460 Rowland. It just makes sense to keep this gun because it is so versatile. I have four of them.
My body and I both did the conversion with rock island gi models have over 3000 + rounds on each absolutely no issues.
I worked up a load for my 460 Rowland. I’m using a 200 grain Hard cast coated bullet from Bayou Bullets with 11.5 grains of CFE Pistol and Remington primers. I’m getting an average velocity of 1419 fps. I haven’t done any penetration tests yet but look forward to it. I did try a hotter load but had signs of excess pressure so I settled on the load mentioned.
Those 185 gr XTP’s aren’t recommended for velocities over 1200- 1300 fps so at 1500 fps your just not getting the best performance out of that bullet.
It’s very difficult to find good rounds for the 460R, most everything is designed for 45acp which of course moves much slower.
I’m a fan of the hard cast as well 👍
Good video. Now, Wilson didn't tell you the truth about RIA 1911's. I have an RIA 5" Gov model that I converted to 460 Rowland and it works great! I did upgrade the springs using a 28lb Wolf spring, firing pin spring etc and it's a monster! Will it break, hell I don't know but it hasn't yet. I've had Colts and AZKimbers break.
That’s good to hear, I’ve always been a fan of RIA and was shocked to see it on Clark’s “no list”
I’ll probably do a conversion to test it out myself 👍
I know if a Rock Island armory can handle it then, naturally so could a Tisas / SDS... She's Turkish... Interesting, proper testing absolutely would be required. GOD bless
VERY good intro - taking a meme to task. Really clever.
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for commenting 👍
I carry a 460 Rowland as well
Interesting that the RIA was discouraged. When I asked about a kit for my ParaO frame with Colt 70 slide & barrel they suggested an RIA would be a better choice. That may have been Roland rather than Clark. Don't recall now.
I too found it curious… They specifically stated on their website that any “Brazilian clone” is not recommended 🤷♂️
A few viewers have since commented that they have no problem using a RIA 1911, however I can’t disagree with the manufacturer’s recommendation.
Awesome brotha from anotha motha for my NM SS Superblackhawk Hunter!
first 45cal ammo is fmj the otter cal you shot is with hollow points that causes the jug to explode
Hey o..my boys! Ol Floyd co hillbilly here…I handload alot and 10mm is what I carry and hunt with…
That is an excellent round👍 especially with hand loads
Very nice.
I love this caliber! I can’t wait to get some loads worked up for more shooting 😎
600-1000 dollar gun-500+ conversion- $2 dollars a rd ammo i like the idea of the cartridge i just feel its to expensive for most average shooters
The concept of a "bear gun" is nutballs in the first place lol, you want a 30 caliber rifle (or more) or a shotgun (magnum slugs 3.25), or a lever action beast like a 45-70 or 45-90. If you're down to a pistol against a bear, it better be because one of those first options failed. Just a handgun, no matter how powerful, may not save you.
@LIONTAMER3D All true, and I believe I mentioned that in the video…
Trust me if I didn’t get funny looks carrying my 30-06 on a hike in a national park I’d be carrying it…
But let’s be honest, I get funny looks anyway 😁
10mm in the 180gr bullet can be hand loaded in .44 Magnum hitting 1600fps from a 6" barrel neck and neck with .460 Rowland actually 25fps faster and no comp, but 25fps is small.
U mentioned to let u know what we would like to see... Well since u are already playing with expensive stuff id love to see a video on the 10mm magnum there little to no videos out there for it so id imagine it would be pretty popular content
I’ll see what I can do, we aren’t wealthy or anything lol
Thanks for the suggestion 😎
@@lastminuteman ok lol I always wanted to build one myself considering they only ever made two pistols chambered for it but the cheapest route is a Thompson contender and I believe bullery makes the barrel
Great caliber but for the cost of admission and availability ill stick to 10mm. And before anyone says it im aware the 460r is more powerful but o but not enough to account for the cost difference
That is a fair assessment…
I still like the 460, but everyone’s got a pick what works best for their situation 👍
Just sent my fn fnx 45 tac out. 15+1 in virtual 44 mag power....although im mainly gonna go with 45 super
Just did the same. How’d it turn out?
.460 is greater than viagra for any FUDD.
If a .460 don’t get you excited, check your pulse lol
Been thinking of getting the conversion for my springfield 1911, did you have any issues with the stainless steel? I heard the 24lbs spring might be too heavy and might need to switch to the 20lbs
No issues at all…
The Kimber eclipse is a Stainless Steel Model 1911…
this “Clarks custom guns” kit has operated perfectly.
I’m sure Clark’s will answer any questions you have, you won’t regret buying this 😎
THIS Isn't new 45 Thompson is the FATHER to the 460 !!!!!
Okay 👍
Authentic .460 Rowland; The Annihilator! "It's just not the same thing"!
For every time he says “Mr obvious” i get $1.
@@semperparatus3188 I’ll start a “Go fund me” lol
45 win mag too
Sorry even if we stick to semiautomatics that are still in production, the 460 Rowland is by a large margin not the most powerful semiautomatic caliber on the market. You can kick and scream all you want but the 50AE is more powerful
Yup the 50AE is more powerful, however I would not carry a 4.5 pound gun with me on a hike at altitude in Wyoming…
I should have mentioned the 50AE however, thanks for bringing it up.
We will have to do a video on one 👍
Haaaa! Good luck trying to get a fuDD to listen to you for once!
Trigger discipline mr obvious.
y'all need a labradar chrono. That's obvious.
I’d love to have one… We will be passing the plate at the next meeting 😁
They make a 50
Yes they do lol 👍
@@lastminuteman unfortunately it's a desert eagle that sucks, I sold mine, thinking about a 460 swap for my xdm tho
@@lintlicker4178 I love the 460… It has been very reliable and reloading is a blast 😁
Can i get a gaaddamn
@@jimcipriano5322 that’s how I felt lol
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once you convert a 45acp to a 460 rowland can you still use standed 45acp ammo
Yes,no you can use the barrel but have to go back to stock recoil spring